Mentality monster Bellingham sees England top the group

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2:21Alan Shearer:Hello and welcome to the Rest is Football with me, Gary Lineker. We've got Alan and Micah. We've got Ian Poulter. We've got Harry Maguire and Rob Jones. Because there's much to discuss. But because England are through to the round of 32 where they'll meet DR Congo. We'll discuss England's performance and much more. And remember, if you want to watch the show, it's available on Netflix every day.

2:52Alan Shearer:Ian, a very warm welcome. Thanks for having us. I think the England shirt suits you. It's lovely. What is this, 82, is it? Yeah, I think so. Is it an old one? 82. That's when you're in your prime. Slightly before my time. Well, you are a senior now, aren't you? Yeah, I am, unfortunately. US Senior Open next week? Yes, US Senior Open next week. My first Zimmer frame's coming out. you used to play a bit of football when you were young did you have a trial with Tottenham? I did only one though they said I was shit I said it's ok I'm an Arsenal fan what position? look at you there centre half, look at the shin pads wow they're amazing unbelievable so good year for Arsenal you must have enjoyed this season yeah it was amazing, absolutely amazing the run they've been on over the last few years and I was nervous the last five or six games.

3:44I think all Arsenal fans were. Very nervous, but, you know, to see him get over the line was, I mean, it was amazing.

3:51Alan Shearer:Yeah. If they'd have done the double, if, that would have been, I mean, you know, chip icing on the cake, but I mean, it was pretty amazing. I was happy for the lads and, you know, really to see them, you know, Declan and the boys get. You were at the England game today. It was a wet one. You had the poncho on, didn't you? Yeah, it was nice, yeah. We might have a picture of that as well. There you go, look at that. It was cute. I did have a hairdo about 20 minutes before that. It just went all floppy. It was good. First World Cup game was this week. I went to the Ghana game. Went to the Ghana game as well?

4:25Yeah. Took the family, which was pretty...

4:27Alan Shearer:After about an hour of this one, you thought, are you ever going to see a goal? I was like, oh no, I can't. I'm waiting 50 years to do the World Cup and I can't see two draws in a row. Alan, you were at the game as well. You were doing the radio co-con. Good atmosphere.

4:43Gary Lineker:Yeah, it was a really good atmosphere, yeah. I think the big picture is they won the game, they won the group, that's what they set out to do. We can pick the bones out of what we felt was good and what we felt was not so good. We'll do that shortly. Three outstanding performances, Elliot Anderson, Jude Bellingham being man of the match, absolutely, with his goal and the assist, and Harry Kane as well, I thought, were very good.

5:08Alan Shearer:I might add Marcus Rashford. We'll talk about that in a little while. You were here, Rob. Emotional support for you, yeah. I know. Shoulder to cry on. Yeah. No, no, no.

5:18Gary Lineker:Did you see the picture of him? I saw it when I came back from the game. I got here. It was on my social media. And he jumped up. When Harry scored as if to be all happy for me, you were fucking devastated.

5:31Alan Shearer:Genuinely, genuinely. Mike has got his wish. I'm not devastated at all. I had the record for 40 years. I was getting bored of it. Anyway, lots to talk about from today's England game. But first, let's hear what our friend Harry Maguire made of it. I caught up with him at full time.

5:52Alan Shearer:Harry, nice to see you again. Tell us where you are. Yeah, I'm in Portugal, just in a villa, just chilling out a little bit, doing a bit of training, a bit of golf, missing you guys in New York, but I had to get away and get myself training again. Yeah, you've got to get fit for a new season. What did you make of the performance, Harry? Listen, I think these games are tough. I really do think they're tough. I mean, I think the most important game in the group was the first game against Croatia. And they'll take the positives from that, knowing that they'd probably be the second strongest team in the group convincingly well.

6:29So these games are tough and they are the moments what decide these games. And set plays are massive. I've played in many of these games. and when you're on top, it's crazy how many times a set play opens the game up for you and we have players who can score from them. And I think Jude was the best player on the pitch tonight and again, once again, he's proved everyone that he should be starting for England and he's going to be a big player in this tournament for us.

6:56Alan Shearer:Yeah, I absolutely agree with you on that, Harry. He's a mentality monster, isn't he? He's a moments player as well and he's... What is it about him? You know him, obviously. You've been with him in England squads. What is it that drives him? I mean, he's one of the best players in the world in his position, without doubt. Yeah, it's crazy to think of his age. I think he's been in four major tournaments now. It's incredible at his age. He's going to have a super long career and many, many caps for his country and hopefully be really successful. But he's a massive player. He's a massive player for his club, but he's a huge player for the country.

7:34and when you need a player to step up in the big moments, in the big pressure, when all the country needs you and everyone's feeling the weight on the shoulders, he's the man to do it on many occasions. If we're going to be successful this tournament, there's no doubt about it. He needs to be on his top game because him and Harry up top, I think those two are the ones that we're going to be relying on to try and take us to victory.

7:59Alan Shearer:I found it odd over the last year or two that we almost turned on him some parts of the media and all these rumours that he's too big for his boots. Maybe it's an English thing that we don't like people that are overly confident. But to win a tournament, you need your big players to be able to handle the pressure. And it's not an arrogance. It's a confidence, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. I think he's so confident in himself, in his ability. He's not arrogant at all. He's a confident lad. He always has been since he was 18 years old, coming up and playing with us at England. You could see when he takes the ball on the pitch, he's so mature.

8:38He's a leader. But I think the most important thing is, like you say, when the moments come and the big moments happen, you've seen tonight it was tight, it was edgy. We fell into second in the group at one stage of the game. That moment come and he created it, and then he created the goal for Harry as well. He's been the difference tonight. and like I said in these knockout games now, they're going to be like that for the first 60 minutes and a moment's going to change the game and change the tide of the game and Jude's more than capable of doing that.

9:11Alan Shearer:I thought another good performance personally was that of Marcus Rashford. He's a bit unfortunate not to get a goal in the end but he looked a constant threat, he looked sharp, he looked fit. I love the way he was, even in the first half when people were a little bit dissatisfied and I think he does that little ball that they do at Barcelona where he cuts in and just bends that one with his right foot that caused a few problems with him. He looked sharp. Yeah, definitely. I think, listen, he was so direct and positive with everything that he did. So I think we spoke about in the Ghana game that was a little bit slow and we probably had too much patience in the game and I think Rashi straight away took the game straight to Panama and I think first five, ten minutes he was to put four or five crosses in the box and he wasn't as accurate as he normally is.

9:59And then he finds that one where H probably was unfortunate not to score and I think the ball just went over the ball. So it was a constant threat all the way through the game. And when he's in that mood, I think us England fans, we know how good he can be. And I've had the pleasure of playing with him at Manchester United for many years. So when he's in that frame and he's in that direct mode, he's unstoppable on his day.

10:21Alan Shearer:Yeah. We talked about, obviously, Marcus Rashford before for England, but what about the fact that it's not clear where he's going to be next season? There's still a possibility, I guess, that he could go back to Manchester United. Would you welcome him with open arms? Yeah, of course. I have an amazing relationship with Marcus. I've had some great times with him over the years. And I know what a wonderful player he can be. I'm sure it's up to the club and up to Marcus and finding a mutual agreement. But, of course, if Marcus does come back, we want him to come back and play happy and play confident.

10:57So it needs to be right for himself. It needs to be right for the club. But everyone knows what a great player Marcus could be for whatever club he plays for next season.

11:06Alan Shearer:I suppose in this game, England went with two tens, really, with Bellingham and Rodgers. In future games, they might do that. made him a little bit vulnerable to the counter-attack, Harry. I'm wondering what that's like as central defenders when you know you're playing against a team that are probably slightly inferior, but they're dangerous on the counter-attack, and it makes you a little bit vulnerable as central defenders. Is that something that you really need to talk to the players in front of you? Yeah, definitely. You need to organise and make sure everyone's locked in and still focusing on the transition, even though we're going to have a majority of the ball and be camped around their box for large parts of the game as we were tonight.

11:51I think it's something that you can do against a team like Panama Ruwa playing that low block like Garner did. But I'm pretty confident that the manager won't play two tens in a knockout game against a good team who is more threatening on the counter and has a lot more quality.

12:08Alan Shearer:Yeah, so one or two changes to come. I think it's unlikely that Bellingham and Rodgers will feature. both in the same team. Harry, thank you very much for joining us. Enjoy your last week or two before you start properly training. Thank you very much. The dreaded pre-season. Oh, no, I'm not looking forward to it. I never did. Cheers, Harry. Thanks a lot. See you soon. Bye-bye. Enjoy. This episode is brought to you by Wise. It's only when you start moving money between currencies that you really think about the exchange rate, the fee, and what might be hidden away in the small print. Whether you're living abroad, paying someone overseas, or just trying to manage your money across borders, you want a fair exchange rate, an easy transfer, and no surprises along the way.

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14:32Alan Shearer:let's talk about jude bayham i know you mentioned him at the top alan i mean he's a mentality monster and he's Outstanding I love watching him play

14:41Gary Lineker:He's been England's best player I think in the three games You know there are moments in games where you're going to have sticky patches and things aren't going for you and you look to your big hitters you look to your big players to do something different something brilliant something that changes the course of the game and he did that today he did that with that first goal because it wasn't a great ball in from the corner, but he made it a good ball, you know. Say what you want about the defending, which was poor, but the strength, the ability to have the balance and then to flick it in like he did, that's what changed the game today because you could see England getting frustrated.

15:23Gary Lineker:The longer it went on, it was going to get more and more difficult and you need your big hitters just to make that difference and he's a big hitter and he was brilliant.

15:32Alan Shearer:He's tenacious as well, isn't he? He's such, I mean, he's a born winner and a born leader. That was interesting that when we did the chat with Morgan Rogers before the tournament, he said he is the most competitive person I've ever met. Harry Kane's quotes after the game today said he's had the bit between his teeth throughout the campaign since we met in Florida. I actually wonder whether that conversation about who is going to be the number 10 winds him up. And maybe even that Thomas Tuchel might have fuelled that a little bit to just push him on a bit more. and actually it's maybe credit to Morgan Rodgers that we even had that conversation because this is a guy who plays for Real Madrid who's an absolute superstar.

16:09Alan Shearer:Yeah. How was the ever a debate real? I mean, I don't want to be rude to Morgan Rodgers. I think he's a fabulous player, but you need your big players. A bit like the Bride of Cup, Ian. I mean, you're known as the postman because you always turn up and you always deliver. You need people with strong mentalities as much as ability, isn't it? You do, and I think as a player, you've got to come out with confidence. And that's, you know, certainly watching the last few games, that's what he has. And you have to help the rest of the team if the team don't have that type of confidence. Have you felt at times during the Ryder Cup, sorry, go back to golf, but times in tournaments, particularly the last day of the singles, when you know something's happened, do you feel to yourself, this is my moment, I've got to make this happen?

16:59Yeah, definitely. I mean, definitely. It's part of the whole team dynamic, right? I just think, you know, some players are quite quiet, some are loud, some want to say they're going to go out and produce the goods and some just go about doing their business.

17:14Alan Shearer:I don't think you were the quiet one, were you? No. And, you know, Jude's that guy. I mean, you have to, you know, if you can bring the team up with a bit of energy. Do you think you can train the mind to get in a zone, to get in a moment when the pressure is really high? Oh, it's 2012, six birdies in a row. I remember that was incredible. Five. Was it five? Who's counting? Well, Rory made one. You let me down. Yeah, you know, it's, you know, when you look through the whole team and you, you know, you, for us as a Ryder Cup team, you know, that Ryder Cup, we was being hammered. Yeah. And it was miserable.

18:02Yeah. And it was like, you know, how are we going to turn this around? and all of a sudden when the tide starts to change and you get the momentum go back on your side, it's amazing how quickly that can flex.

18:13Alan Shearer:Micah's arrived. Has he? Yes, that means we've got to go over there to talk to him. Micah, we've been talking about Jude Bellingham. What did you make of him today? Yeah, when it comes to Jude, I think we had that conversation before the tournament starts. I'm a big fan of Morgan Rodgers, absolutely outstanding player, but when you've got someone like Jude Bellingham, who he just epitomises a big game player. You don't do what he does in the game. From when he's gone from Birmingham to go to Dortmund at such a young age, to go to Dortmund, to Real Madrid, to win the Champions League, and just he lives for these occasions.

19:00And it was never really a debate for me, I thought with Bellingham and Rodgers, they could potentially play together. But people were actually saying that Jude Bellingham shouldn't start for England. And I never really understood that because whether he's running back with the tenacity in midfield, whether he's creating, whether he's driving the team on or whether he's scoring important goals. I just thought if there was one player on the pitch today that epitomises England and what it should be was Jude Bellingham. I just thought it was sensational in a difficult fixture.

19:37Alan Shearer:Shall we talk about that geezer that scored another goal today that went past someone's record? Harry Kane. I mean, he missed it. Oh, here he goes. Come on, get it over with. Hey, come on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I've been doing my speeches, I know, for many. Ian, lovely to see you. Good to see you. Huge fan. Love your car collection. Absolutely fantastic. sounds it, Rob, and then the two of the nerds in there. But Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, I absolutely love you. Harry, no more. He's not relevant anymore. He's irrelevant. No longer there. Shut the fuck up, Willie.