148. Greenland, Rogan, and The Dawn of Putin’s America

11:50Anthony Scaramucci:Well, I think they have to come up with something stronger. And we should get into this letter that Trump has just sent to European ambassadors. Should I read some of that?

12:00Katty Kay:Read the letter and somebody pass the vodka. There's got to be vodka in a Swiss town. You read the letter. I'll drink the vodka.

12:06Anthony Scaramucci:Okay, go ahead. This is sent from President Trump to European ambassadors based in Washington. And I preface this saying this is not a joke. Considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars plus, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China. And why do they have a right of ownership anyway? There are no written documents. It's only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago.

12:44Anthony Scaramucci:But we have boats landing there also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding. And now NATO should do something for the United States. The world is not secure unless we have complete and total control of Greenland. Thank you, President DJT. So that was sent to the prime minister of Norway and CC'd to various ambassadors in Washington. And yeah, we thought that was a joke. But I was listening to Scott Besant over the weekend who was on Meet the Press. and you realize that they are increasingly thinking that this is an urgent national security threat.

13:23Katty Kay:Scott said that this was the US is the hottest country in the world using Trump language. Katty, is the US the hottest country in the world? Probably hotter than Greenland.

13:32Anthony Scaramucci:That was a joke.

13:33Katty Kay:Yeah, it landed. No, the joke landed. But I mean, I just want you to think about it for a second. I know we have a very strong economy and I know our percentage of global GDP went up in the last five years. Yes. But are we not disgracing ourselves with this behavior?

13:47Anthony Scaramucci:I think it's going to be interesting for you and I being here this week, right? Hearing what Europeans and global business leaders, and I've been in Europe for the last 10 days. No, I think America is seen as - Something wrong. There's something wrong. It's no longer seen as an embarrassment. It's not a source of sadness. There is in that - Systemic problem. A systemic problem and an element of fear that America has kind of lost its way and that has implications for everybody else.

14:14Katty Kay:Let's channel Dwight Eisenhower for a second. If he met with the Danish prime minister and he said, listen, I want to make sure that there's a zero Chinese or Russian foothold in this part of the world to protect the West. I want to figure out a way to share some of the burden up there. We're going to put some military installations up there. I think it's a$1.4 billion subsidy that the Danes give the Greenlanders per year. We'll share some of the burden, but we really want to have NATO and the United States, the dominant force in the Arctic before it becomes crowded as a result of the melting.

14:49Anthony Scaramucci:But actually, the Norwegians are talking about exactly this. They're talking about the fact that the Chinese are moving into the Arctic. They would like to have that conversation.

14:56Katty Kay:I understand, but I'm just saying, see, for me, like, I am trying to see through everybody. And the right answer for the Europeans, in my opinion, is to stay exactly where they are. They have to wait out Donald Trump.

15:11Anthony Scaramucci:So you think they shouldn't say anything?

15:13Katty Kay:You think they shouldn't come back with any tough language or any bazooka treatments on trade? Listen, I think it's been very smart to exercise restraint. They didn't retaliate with the tariffs. They took their time. I agree. The lords of finance. And they said, hey, man, if we do that, it's going to be smooth haul-y. We're all going to pull ourselves into a depression. I think you have a big decision coming this week from the Supreme Court on the tariffs themselves. They could be defang those tariffs without Europeans doing anything. But if I was a European leader in three years, seems like a long time, but it really isn't, I'd be like, you know what?

15:51Katty Kay:I got to wait this guy out. J.D. Vance is a repugnant guy. But you just said they need to get tough.

15:57Anthony Scaramucci:You said they need to do something to stand up to the bully.

16:00Katty Kay:They need to do something, but I don't want them pushing the, again, using a metaphor, a thermonuclear option. I don't want them kicking them out of the bases and - Bases. I agree. Ending all trade agreements - And I don't think they will do that. Breaking up NATO and all that stuff. They definitely need to do something, okay? And they need to put their foot down and say, look, this is a non-negotiable position. Denmark is not, it was part of the European family of nations. We're in solidarity and support. We're not giving it to you, if he does a military strike on Greenland and the Republican senators don't move to impeach him, then we've really lost our way as a country and then we have to sit down and rethink the whole strategy.

16:44Katty Kay:You know, Rand Paul said over the weekend, which I totally agree with, and I've talked to several of these Republican senators, there's not one Republican senator, okay, in leadership. Yeah, there's some bozo senators from the South that are on X saying, this is great, let's militarily strike Greenland because there are a bunch of bozos. Obviously, there's going to be a few low IQ bozos. But I'm talking about people like Thune and McConnell, Rand Paul, senior leadership, elder state. They're not there.

17:13Anthony Scaramucci:And actually, I heard from a senior senator over the weekend I was texting with who is close to Trump who said there is no appetite for military action amongst Republicans in the Senate and pointed to the fact that this delegation that went to Copenhagen on their They're way here of some...

17:29Katty Kay:Telling somebody like me, a moderate donor, they're telling something like me, I say moderate politically but a fairly decent sized donor, that they'd be willing to impeach him over something like this. Do you think that's saber rattling on their part? That may be...

17:41Anthony Scaramucci:I haven't heard that from more Trumpy Republicans, but let's see. Yeah. I mean, it'd be interesting to see. That will be super interesting.

17:50Katty Kay:At some point, you have to draw the line, right? So all I'm saying is I'm a European leader. Yes, you got to get tougher with Trump and you got to say, hey, look, I'm sorry, that's unacceptable. That is actually not going to happen. Okay. And then let's see what he does after that because he is a taco type of person. He does chicken out if he's pushed around. They've got to find a few buttons there to push him around. Like what about a tax on these technology companies? Yeah. What if they just said, hey, listen, we're going to put a 25 % tax on the Mag 7.

18:19Anthony Scaramucci:Okay. That puts pressure on. Here's the risk is what Besant said this weekend about Ukraine, where he said, European leaders will come around and understand they need to be under the US security umbrella. What would happen in Ukraine if the US pulled its support out? The whole thing could collapse. That was a question he was asked about, you know, the importance of Greenland and what does he respond with? Ukraine. That's what European leaders actually worried about. The little support that America is giving, it's not giving any more military support itself, although it's still selling weapons to the Europeans to give to the Ukrainians, but it's giving very important intelligence support.

18:55Anthony Scaramucci:If America pulled out his intelligence support, the Ukrainians would really be, am I allowed to say screwed? Yeah, screwed. And so I think that Besant threat this weekend was very interesting and will worry the Europeans.

19:08Katty Kay:So, Katie, just so I understand everything, and I want to make sure our viewers and listeners understand. So, US comes into town, we help clean up the Nazis. We set up a infrastructure and a security umbrella. And then we tell people, lay off. Eisenhower tells people to lay off, other people to lay off. We're a benevolent democracy. We're really going to handle the protection of the free world. And Eisenhower's whole theory about that is he didn't want to see a military buildup in Europe, which could potentially spark another war. Right. Okay. And so we build up all of this goodwill for 80 years.

19:44Katty Kay:And then we have Donald Trump come in, And he's going to rug pull that. And he's going to try to take over Greenland unilaterally to disrupt that entire thing. So the question now, and when you really think about it, are we now at the end of that 80-year post-World War II reign? Or is this a temporary blip of someone that is really mentally unwell that is in senior leadership in the United States? When I was a kid and I read about the 1930s, 1933 to 1945, never fully understood it. And then Daniel Goldhagen had a book out called Hitler's Willing Accomplices or Willing Executioners. Never fully understood it.

20:23Katty Kay:I understand it now. I'm a 60-year-old guy. I understand that we have a bunch of spineless members of the Congress that are not going to do anything to suppress Donald Trump. But the question I have for you, is this a permanent change in America? Is this Putin's America now? And then if you're a European leader, what do you do about the future of your security? And how do you think about Ukraine?

20:49Anthony Scaramucci:Look, I think that that's the key question. And we're going to hear a lot about it over the course of this week, I think, here in Davos. But if America had only elected Trump once, I think there was more willingness to think it was a blip. When Joe Biden was elected in 2020 and came back and said America is back, there was a sigh of relief in Europe. and they wanted to believe him. I'm not sure that European leaders believe that America would be back, whoever is elected in 2028. But until they have sorted out your second question, which is their own security apparatus, and that's going to take five to 10 years and determined commitment, then they will settle for whatever relationship they can take the crumbs from the table of the relationship with America because they need them.

21:38Anthony Scaramucci:But underlying taking that weaker relationship is a realization that that 80 years is in the past. It's not the model for the future.

21:47Katty Kay:But I also think there's an indictment there of the dysfunctionality of the Democratic Party. Yes. Joe Biden beat him very easily. He's an unpopular guy. He's only got a 36 % approval rating. but the way they launched vice president harris's campaign and gave her 107 days to try to beat him it made it nearly impossible so there'll be a big litigation in the united states in 2028 about where america should be but i can say this and i think you know this from the polling it's 80 plus percent of the americans do not want a military invasion of greenland right so he's willing to do that it just speaks to he's an agent of chaos i mean one european said it to

22:27Anthony Scaramucci:me this weekend. And the thing about agents of chaos is they unleash unforeseen consequences. You know, the son of the Shah of Iran is suddenly an option. Delcy Rodriguez is the best way forward in Venezuela. The French right and the French center are suddenly working together. I mean, all of these things are happening and he can't foresee the consequences of everything he does.

22:50Katty Kay:Before we go to the break, the big question is, Kat, can it go back to any semblance of normalcy? And I can tell by your face that the answer is no.

23:00Anthony Scaramucci:I don't think it's no.

23:01Katty Kay:And then so then what is the new normal that keeps the peace? That's the real question.

23:07Anthony Scaramucci:The new normal has to be Europe doing more for its own security. Tony Blair told you and I, in the future in the world, in order to have power in this kind of multipolar world of spheres of influence, you're going to have to have a strong economy and strong defense. Europe actually does have a reasonably strong economy. It's 28 countries. it doesn't have strong unified defense. And that takes time to build up time and political will. I think they've got the message and I think that letter that Trump has just sent to the Prime Minister of Norway that we read on the Just Now, that kind of thing reinforces to Europeans that this is urgent and they cannot take the break, their foot off the pedal.

23:49Katty Kay:Oh, listen, as an American, I hope you can sense the heartbreak in my reaction to all this and And this irrational behavior is heartbreaking for me to watch this coming from a country that I love.

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25:00Anthony Scaramucci:Okay, welcome back, guys. We're going to talk about Joe Rogan and whether he is getting divorced from Donald Trump. So in an interview this week on his show, three-hour interview, thank God we don't do three hours. I think our audience would fall asleep. I would fall asleep, Anthony. Fascinating that you are. in an interview with Kentucky Senator Rand Paul.

25:21Katty Kay:It's like a brilliant British cut, as fascinating as I am. Okay, keep going.

25:25Anthony Scaramucci:Joe Rogan said about the ICE activities in Minneapolis, are we really going to be the Gestapo? Where's your papers? Is that what we've come to? Referring to the ICE agents in Minneapolis, this is, of course, all in the wake of the killing of Rene Nicole Goode by an ICE agent a couple of weeks ago. So he did say he could see both perspectives. He said conservatives do believe that people who are in America illegally must be deported to stop it accelerating. I think he means stop it accelerating the number of people coming into the country, whereas progressives are saying you don't want militarized people in the streets snatching people up.

26:04Anthony Scaramucci:So it was interesting and it was picked up a lot because it was seen as a sign that Rogan, who endorsed Donald Trump in 2024 and brought his 20 million listeners potentially into Donald Trump's camp is seeing some differences. And it's not the first time. And I think that's why liberals are kind of jumping on this because he questioned the snatch of Nicolas Maduro. He objected to the Kennedy Center being renamed the Donald Trump Kennedy Center in Washington, DC. He accused the White House officials of trying to gaslight people over the Epstein files. He called out Donald Trump for mocking the death of the Hollywood producer Rob Reiner and his wife.

26:43Anthony Scaramucci:So you've got this reaction, I think, which is almost as interesting as what Joe Rogan is saying from the left of, right, phew, we finally got Joe Rogan on our side. He's going to bring his 20 million young male listeners and that's going to help us in the midterm elections and the 2028 elections. I think the Democrats are kind of making more of this or hoping they can get more out of this than And they actually might be able to. Some on the left are also saying he was the one that got us Trump elected. And so he needs to apologize. And I told you so. And you're to blame. You heard some of that on morning television.

27:16Anthony Scaramucci:But I also think that's kind of silly. You know, if somebody admits that something's wrong, fine, take it. But it is interesting. It's interesting. And it's interesting that it's about the ICE tactics.

27:27Katty Kay:I mean, listen, there's so much there. And in the first part of the show, he's bringing up Walter Cronkite, who was the most trusted man in America in the 1960s. He went to Vietnam and came back and said the war is unwinnable. Lyndon Johnson had three televisions in the Oval Office for the three nightly news networks. He shut the televisions off. He looked at his staff. I've lost Walter Cronkite. I've lost the country. Shortly thereafter, he said he wasn't going to see re-election. So I do think Rogan is a pivotal guy, but I don't think Trump has lost him. I agree. I think that there's a couple of things that we have to talk about here that people have to understand trump has deported less people than joe biden everybody knows that but here's the nuance between that because what happened was we had a porous border and so people were coming across the border they got detained by ice and then they got sent back across the border they counted that as a deportation what's interesting about what's going on right now caddy is the border is closed and trump is physically going into towns and he's deporting people.

28:33Katty Kay:And he's not just deporting criminals, like you said. You have a very famous situation in Minnesota where they went to go eat at the Mexican restaurant. They had lunch at the Mexican restaurant. The ICE agents went in there. And then three or four hours later, they came and they took the cook and they took the sous chef and the other guys, and they put them in a paddy wagon and deported them. And so, if you really look at the numbers, Trump has removed almost a quarter million people from inside the United States, snatching them from their neighborhoods, snatching them from their towns. And now we have this video display everywhere.

29:06Katty Kay:And so Rogan needs to maintain some semblance of independence as a free thinking person because that's his whole podcast. His whole podcast is on his authenticity and not being a partisan hack to anybody, which why he always That's such a good point. He has Sanders on all the time. Such a great way of putting it. So the thing that disturbs Rogan is that Trump is nuts. Because I listen to Rogan. Okay, he has said he's a nut, he's a nut, he's a nut. Trump is nuts. Okay, and I'm going to give a couple examples here. The Charlie Kirk thing, where you've been very complimentary of Erica Kirk's eulogy and the way she comported herself at her husband's funeral.

29:48Katty Kay:And then Trump comes on and says, I hate my opponent. Okay. Rogan did not like that. Okay. He didn't like your point about the lack of empathy for Rob Reiner. This week, there was a student that they deported that the Homeland Security officials actually had to apologize to. Her name is Annie Lopez Blasa. For Rogan, it's embarrassing. It's the tactics, right? Well, that's always with Trump. It is the tactics. It's a bit what he said first off. It is the ostentatious nature. It is the tactics. It's going to Home Depot. Okay, this is a Rogan quote. The guy's going to Home Depot and he's snatching day workers who are functioning in the society of America and people need them for labor.

30:34Katty Kay:And he's snatching them. And Rogan calls it insane. This is the stuff that's making America coarser. It's making America harder to live in. And it's heartbreaking. But he hasn't broken from them.

30:49Anthony Scaramucci:No, I don't think he's broken from him. And if you listen to him carefully, and I listened to that section of his interview with Rand Paul, it is more the tactics that he's questioning than the goal of deporting people who have been here illegally. I mean, I think he supports the idea still of doing something about the number of people who are being here illegally. Maybe not all of the ones who are working in Home Depot and don't have any criminal record. But I don't know if you listened to Kristi Noem over the weekend, the Homeland Security Secretary, she was on the Sunday shows as well, getting into a big fight with the anchor about the numbers of people that had criminal records.

31:24Anthony Scaramucci:And she was contradicting her own agency's numbers of the number of people that have been deported who actually have a criminal record. because of course, they're saying, oh, you know, all the people who've been deported have a criminal record. Her agency is saying, actually, that's not the case. It's less than 50 % who have a criminal record.

31:40Katty Kay:Her agency said 49 % and then she called the newscast or a liar that's closer to 70%.

31:46Anthony Scaramucci:This is interesting, but I think also the other issue is how this is playing out politically. Immigration was clearly an important issue in 2024, but it wasn't the top issue. In poll after poll, the top issue was the economy, the cost of living, healthcare costs and access to healthcare, and immigration was in there. But I'm not sure the White House is playing this quite right, because for Republicans going into the midterm elections, yes, immigration is an important issue for MAGA, and it's a way to get MAGA faithful to show up. But they'll probably show up anyway. It's going to cause problems for some Republican lawmakers and members of Congress who are, in Florida, in heavily Hispanic districts, or in Colorado, or in California in heavily Hispanic districts, how are they going to deal with these ICE images that people are seeing?

32:36Anthony Scaramucci:And these videos are everywhere on social media. I mean, there's a guy dressed in a fox costume.

32:43Katty Kay:He's dancing in a

32:44Anthony Scaramucci:fox costume, and that gets you tackled and put to the ground.

32:47Katty Kay:I don't know how this - That's a controversial thing for me to say, but believe it or not, there are immigrants that weirdly like it. They actually see themselves as white Americans and they see those other immigrants as being bad.

32:59Anthony Scaramucci:But he's losing in the polls on this. Amongst Hispanic voters, we saw that in New Jersey. We saw that in Virginia.

33:05Katty Kay:I'm just telling you, I think that the Rogan thing becomes very interesting to me because he represents core swing voters.

33:13Anthony Scaramucci:Yes. He's a weathervane.

33:15Katty Kay:If you look at the marginal male voter who is somewhat disinterested in politics. It was like when Christy Todd Whitman, who became the governor of New Jersey, she said she was going to name a Parkway exit sign after Howard Stern if he helped campaign for her. It was a swing voter. Stern is no longer that person. Rogan is that person. This is the thing I would say to you about Rogan. If he breaks, he's offering space now for the person to move away from Trump because they're locked in a personality cult. They can't betray Trump in white male, alpha male status. But here's Rogan, who's all built up, macho man, MMA fighter and announcer.

34:01Katty Kay:He's telling you that it's okay to break from Trump. So if he breaks, really breaks, Katty K, that is asymmetric damage to Donald Trump. Where he is right now, I see it as a neutral.

34:14Anthony Scaramucci:So after we finished recording this episode, Anthony and I, I found out that Congresswoman Madeline Dean from Pennsylvania has come to Davos and had been part of the delegation that has just flown to Copenhagen to visit officials from Denmark and Greenland. And I wanted to grab her to get her impressions of what the Danes are thinking and what the Greenland people are thinking and also what she is thinking as an American member of Congress. She is a Democrat from the great state of Pennsylvania. And I wanted to just grab that opportunity to speak to her while she's here and fresh off the plane from Copenhagen.

34:50Anthony Scaramucci:Congresswoman Dean, you've just come from Copenhagen where you were talking to Danish officials about the situation with Greenland. I can't quite believe I'm gonna ask you this question, but is America going to invade Greenland? I hope not. And I believe not. We did just come a very good delegation from the United States, both House and Senate, Republicans and Democrats, came to Copenhagen, met with members of parliament from both Greenland and Denmark, as well as both prime ministers, to say, we are your ally. We are your friend. We do not want this threat from the president. And we are here to do whatever we can to let you know of our friendship and how we want to help solve this problem.

35:30After all, Congress has an important role to play. And noteworthy was that we had Republicans with us.

35:36Anthony Scaramucci:You had two Republican senators, Lisa Makowski and Tom Tillis. They've been pretty outspoken, but not a huge number of Republicans have followed suit. Why are they not saying more when my understanding is there's very little appetite in the Senate and in the House for Military Action Against Greenland. And in America. In fact, most Americans don't want this, don't understand why we would do it. Part of what we are here to do also was to educate ourselves so that we can take that back to our colleagues in the House and in the Senate to say that this is Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark they are our ally and friend for the past 75 years one of the founding members of NATO just like us and also they have been our partner and friend for a historic 225 years and what I tell my colleagues at home is do you remember that after 9-11 when article 5 was triggered came and fought alongside us and sadly died alongside us Denmark we had the chance it was one of the saddest most poignant moments we laid a wreath at the memorial for the 50 Danish service members who died on your trip just now to Copenhagen yes and it's remarkable there were obviously senior officers and very young soldiers who died standing and fighting next to us in some of the hardest missions per capita.

37:00Denmark lost as many people as the United States per capita.

37:05Anthony Scaramucci:You've done a lot of delegations in your work on foreign affairs around the world. Does this feel like a different moment? Anthony was asking me when we were taping the podcast whether I thought this felt like a different moment and whether there's any going back from Europe's point of view to its relationship with America. Having just come from Denmark, does it feel different to you? Does this feel different from previous delegations you've been on? It does. I was actually saying that to some of our members. We traveled with Gregory Meeks, who's ranking member of foreign affairs. I served with him on foreign affairs.

37:41And I was saying to him and he to me, this feels so consequential. This feels so important. For those back home, This is not simply about a threat by the President of the United States to take Greenland. This is about our NATO alliance. This is about trust and respect around the world. And any kind of military involvement in Greenland would be a breach of our NATO treaties and a breach of our friendship. That's what's one of the most damaging things. You know, when we met with members of Parliament from Greenland, They spoke about the children in Greenland, that they go to bed at night fearful.

38:20They are worried. Some planes came into the single base that is there, and they panicked, worrying they were Americans coming to get them. We must interrupt that. Children fearful of America. States of America. And on the flip side of this, what I want to convince the Americans of, which I think most know, Denmark would love our greater involvement, as they have told us over and over again. We had as many as 20 bases on Greenland for this very reason or strategic importance of that region, whether it's Russia or China. We're down to one. They welcome us to come back. Invest in a greater way in strategy, strategic alliances as a partner.

39:06Anthony Scaramucci:You said that this is consequential. This feels like, and I apologize for all the noise because we're sitting recording this in a corridor and there are people walking past, But you said this is consequential to your voters. And I've been to your wonderful district just outside Philadelphia, on the outskirts of Philadelphia and Pennsylvania. Why should they care? Why should they care whether America launches some kind of military action or uses some kind of force or coercion to take Greenland? My constituents care. They have a sense of history and gravity. It would be a fool's errand to take military force into an ally and into the territory that is Greenland.

39:45This is a sovereign territory. That is so un-American that we would do that. And it is a fool's errand because it would not succeed in getting Mr. Trump something of a possession. It would be a very costly possession. As I said, they welcome our input. Many of my constituents, you remember, are people my age and older. They recognize the power of our NATO alliance, that since World War II, for 75 plus years, it has helped keep us safe. Before Ukraine, before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, kept us at relative peace with Europe and, of course, with our NATO partners. My constituents are gravely concerned.

40:29They think this is a mad idea. They don't understand it. not to mention that they want the president to focus on the United States and their concerns, their cost of living, their cost of groceries, their cost of utilities, housing, their senior issues.

40:45Anthony Scaramucci:You're a member of Congress. You sit on the Foreign Affairs Committee. Do you feel as if you have any power to stop this from happening? I do. I do because I think cooler heads, pro-American heads will prevail. So when we go back, both on foreign affairs and over on the Senate side, I believe we will be able to be persuasive. But where are your Republican colleagues? I don't hear them speaking up. I haven't heard them enough either. But that is partly the way this administration operates, with great distraction, with great chaos. I just really want to impress upon the president that they are our ally.

41:24Greenland is not an asset to be taken. And these are really wonderful people. You know what, Cady, one of the things that a very young member of parliament from Greenland said to us in our joint open meeting, well, not open, but not classified meeting, she said, let me tell you what our idea of land is. She said, we don't possess the land. We are there and we are caretakers of the land. They don't literally take title. They give it over generation after generation after generation. And of course that's in grave conflict with the president's concept of land, of titles, of possession. I can just purchase them.

42:03They don't want to be purchased. They want to continue their beautiful cultural existence in an incredibly difficult place. I've not yet been to Greenland. I look forward to going. I don't think the president and his people are really thinking about the extraordinary lengths that you have to go to to survive there and to thrive there. But again, they are not a possession. I really hope that the people around the president and members of Congress will exert our authority. One last thing I want to make sure I mention to you is we wanted to make sure that we heard from Greenlandic people as well as the Danes.

42:43What is the current threat assessment from Russia and China? They are not under immediate threat of an invasion from Russia or China. And so what I hope we will do is invest more in Greenland so that for that strategic north, we are a much better partner and ally and that we protect our native alliance.

43:05Anthony Scaramucci:I showed you that letter that President Trump wrote to the prime minister of Norway. I thought it was a spoof when I read it. I don't know what your reaction was to it. Looks like it, but sadly we have seen that the president is very keen on the Nobel Prize, very offended that he didn't get it, then he received it. Again, I would go back to the president and say, you want to be a president of peace. Why would you threaten military invasion of a NATO ally? It doesn't make any sense. And it puts NATO on its head. 80 years of peace and prosperity. The other thing is he wants prosperity around the world.

43:45That would bring negative prosperity. some of the crazy estimates to purchase would be$700 billion. How about investing in America and in Americans? But there is no strategic threat currently. We wanted, as members of Congress, to be sure to analyze that and get the best information. But meeting with the foreign ministers, members of parliament, and both prime ministers, Greenland and Denmark, they said, we don't understand this, we're baffled. They used this expression, which I hadn't really understood. They said, we look up to you as our big brother, and we do not understand our big brother turning on us like this.

44:25Members of the business community that we met with them used the exact same expression. We do not understand our big brother turning on us. I hope we can turn it around.

44:35Anthony Scaramucci:Congresswoman Dean, thank you. Thank you. Thanks. We're going to leave it there. If that's not enough, in this week's Members Only Bonus, We're going to be covering whether Trump could really be impeached after the midterms, Marco Rubio's secret long game, and which countries are the most anti-Trump. If you'd like to send us your questions and have them answered, which we love doing, you can sign up at the restispoliticsus.com to hear that episode. It comes out on Wednesday and to become a founding member. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for listening. Bye for Davos.

45:08Katty Kay:We'll be back later in the week.

45:10Anthony Scaramucci:Bye from Switzerland. You