305. The Obamas takedown Donald Trump

24:44So well, there's a debate about that, right? Do you or do you make this a turnout election? Do you think that if you can grow your numbers? But if you, well, it's different if you think you're trying to grow your numbers with low information voters who'll be making up their minds at the last minute in the last couple of days and vote on a vibe as opposed to are you trying to get somebody who's already thinking about voting for Trump? You got to do both. You got to do both. You got to do both. I don't think they can get Trump voters. I think they're thinking, well, I go for the information voters who haven't made up their mind, who make up their mind in the last couple of weeks.

25:14May or may not turn out. I don't, I don't think they need Trump voters, but they, if they only got a few non voters, if they were able to bring in non voters. But the problem is what are the policies? What are the moderations? What are the policies? Dave Urban who plays the part of the Republican on CNN alongside of other Republicans. The Republican talking point narrative there is if things are so bad in the last 16 years, the Democrats have controlled things 12 of the last 16 years. So why is it all Trump's fault? David Axelrod got blunted by that comment. I think Scott Reynolds made the comment.

26:00He got blunt about the comment, but the answer was a simple answer. Obama handed Trump a very decent growing economy and Trump, whether you like it or not, botched the COVID response and lost 21 million jobs. And it was decisions on his watch that caused the inflation, in terms of all the induction of the fiscal and monetary policy that was pushed into the economy. But my point is you cannot be flat -footed in this election. So David is not flat -footed. I know him well. He's a West Point grad, work in temporaries. He's a great guy. He's a great American. And he's a moderate, by the way. He's with Trump because you got to pick sides here, guys.

26:45But he's a moderate. But I think that the Democrats are going to make a mistake here if they don't respond to everything. And because let me tell you something, there's a lot of guys in the middle that are going to say, you know what, wasn't so bad with Trump. I'm voting for Trump. She's an unknown entity to me. She's not Joe Biden. I don't know that the convention is the place for policy details, though. I don't think you're going to get a whole economic policy roll out at the convention because these people are not giving speeches that are based on tax policy or price gouging. You're going to get that coming out later in either in a series of interviews.

27:22If she decides to do them, you're going to get that at the debate. This is her story. This is trying to get Americans to actually wake up, you know, 30 % of Americans say they have no idea who she is. So this is all about selling the commodity selling candidates. David Urban made a very interesting point to me. And I don't know whether he'd actually looked up the numbers, but he said something like, on day one, Trump's name was mentioned something like 184 times, whereas the economy was only mentioned five. And I don't know if that's figures right or wrong. I have been surprised that there hasn't been more Trump people who are actually, I thought one of the most powerful speeches last night, which was lost because of the Obama's, was actually that mayor.

28:01Yeah, he was great. The mayor from Arizona. Arizona. Yeah. And it was very short. It was three minutes. Yeah. And Antino mentioned Stephanie Grisham, who I agree. I thought was incredibly powerful. I thought both of those speeches were powerful for being so short, actually. But I would have liked to see more people coming out and not just tracking attacking Trump on character, which they're all doing, but attacking Trump as you've just said on policy failure. We have missed, you know, who was the star of the show, ostensibly the star of the show. I think we spent more time talking about Doug M.

28:29Hall from Michelle Obama than we expected because they were so good last night. And perhaps because they were not Barack Obama, Barack Obama, we know he is the best orator in the Democratic party. And he delivered that. And there were a whole load of people who were sitting that audience saying, damn, can't we change the Constitution to have a third term? Yeah, he's listening. If you got a voice like that, if you've got a voice like that, he was so good. And if you got that, and a sense of humor, he was right. Yeah. Made a little deal. He's seen about that. Yeah. His own age. He says, of course, I haven't changed at all.

28:56I haven't aged, but there's something that I noticed in his speech that I just want to share with you. And it was time. And I don't know how to say this, but like my old boss used to yell at me when I was a 27 -year -old. He says, you need a tincture of time. You're smart enough to do the job, but you don't know what the hell you're doing. You need a tincture of time. And when I looked at Barack Obama last night with his gray hair, very well dressed trim guy, he has a level of wisdom now that he frankly did not have an O4 when he gave the speech in Boston or even the nomination acceptance speech in O8.

29:38And if they deploy him and they deploy him with his wisdom, he's almost shaman -like wisdom about the country. And Obama has read more of Abraham Lincoln and Lincoln's writings and through his writings his teachings frankly than any other living politician. And it is really a time. And I would implore you guys if you're interested in America to read the speeches and writings of Lincoln. I've gone back and started reading them again. And you can catch in Obama's speech, Lincoln asked thoughts about the country, about the need to reunite the country, about the need for us to all be part of the self -governing process.

30:25And if they push him out into the American public and deploy him in a way that doesn't overshadow Vice President Harris or Vice President nominee Tim Waltz, Governor Waltz, I think it'll be a beautiful thing. He'd be like, hey, listen, I've been through the mill. I was an African American at Harvard Law School in 1990 where cabs in Cambridge, Massachusetts were passing me. At the year 2000 and he wrote this in his book, I had credit card debt, I had net negative net worth eight years later. I was the first black president of the United States. I've been through the mill and I get this country.

31:07Give me a chance to go out there to explain to fellow Americans why the two of you need to be the people that lead the country over the next four to possibly eight years. I hope they do that because that is an incredible weapon they have on their side. And the Republicans have nothing, nothing like that on their side, nothing like that. One thing I've been really impressed by this week is the, if I say point that Rory made on our podcast is just how many really, really, really good speakers the Democrats have got. And it's quite, for American campaign, quite short. And if you sort of imagine that you're going to have a day where Obama's the big support act, another day where Hillary is, another day where Bill Clinton is, another day where Shapiro might be, another day where Butchershake, who's interviewed by the way, I've watched some of his interviews this week, that guy is a communications genius.

31:58Let me tell you. There's only four members who served him with him under the cabinet who are actually still saying they're going to 19 who say they won't. They won't endorse him. So that sense of, you know, you talk about Lincoln a lot. And I agree with you. I think Lincoln's one of the greatest, one of the greatest politicians ever, but his speeches are still worth reading today. But that thing that Harry Truman said about, you know, it's amazing what teams can achieve, provide in nobody cares who gets the credit. I think if they've got, for all the tensions that I've been hearing about and I've heard you talk about as well, there have been tensions between Biden and Obama, there have been tensions between Harris and Obama and all that.

32:35But if you can get these guys on the same picture campaign where they are very generously playing very much second fiddle to Kamala Harris, it could be unbelievably powerful. They are desperate to win. Yeah. They are desperate to beat Donald Trump. And getting on the same team is not going to be difficult from this time around. They'll put all of that aside in order to get her through November. After that, let's see what happens. But they'll get her through November. Barack Obama was very gracious about Joe Biden last night. And he actually took time to thank the former president and said nice things about him.

33:05I mean, the implicit criticism of Barack Obama is there he is saying, as you just said, let's all come together, which is exactly what he said in 2004. The country is more divided today than it was when he made that speech back in 2004. So although that was his aspiration, he hasn't actually managed to deliver it or he didn't during his presidency. Okay, we're going to take a quick break and then come back with a couple of guests from the convention floor. And then we will talk about the rumors that RFK Junior is dropping out. Stay with us.

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35:29Okay, so we're standing inside the convention hall and I've just been onto the floor and I have grabbed out Kaylee from the Pennsylvania delegation because Anthony Scaramucci asked to speak to somebody from Pennsylvania. So Kaylee, tell me who you are and what you're doing here. Yeah, my name is Kaylee Warner. I just turned 21 years old. I am a student at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana and I'm here to make history. But you're here with the Pennsylvania delegation. I am born and raised in Pittsburgh. So what does a delegate from Pennsylvania do of the Chicago Democratic National Convention?

36:01What's your role here? Fair question. We actually got to do our role as delegates a few weeks ago when we nominated Vice President Harris and Tim Walls to be on the ballot come November. And now we all get to come together, celebrate party and get everyone energized and excited behind this ticket. So your 21, you must be one of the youngest delegates here. Yes, I am. The youngest perhaps? Definitely the youngest in Pennsylvania from what I know. What are you thinking about the change at the top of the ticket? And I know I'm asking specifically this question to you. Exactly. I mean, did you look at Joe Biden in your heart with Peter Patron?

36:36You thought, wow, this is great. Or did you look at Joe Biden? I think my god, he's older than my great -great -grandfather. I need somebody younger. Listen, I've always been a politics junkie. So for me, I was very excited to stand behind that ticket. But a lot of my friends are not addicted to the news the way that I am. So for them, there has been a little bit less excitement around the Democratic Party in the past few months. But the second this campaign switched up and now Kamala Harris at the top of our ticket, I have seen incredible amounts of excitement and energized delegates and energized youth behind this ticket.

37:09And I think that more than anything, people are just excited to see themselves in a elected official. She's not that young. She's my age. She's 60. She's definitely not that young, but she's a woman and she's from minority background. And I think that that resonates with a lot of people, especially a lot of the young women that I know and I'm friends with. And then we also have Tim Walsh, whose daughter is my age. And she, by the way, she, hope, she's super cool. I love the video. So cool. All the TikTok videos. Yeah. And I think that it's that kind of thing that's what's pulling my generation back is people like her calling her dad a Midwestern princess.

37:44Everybody's jumping onto that trend and loving her, loving the vibe and energy that's being spread right now. So so Kayleigh, how do you see it translating into votes and to the Democrats chances in November? Because as you said, a lot of people are not political junk is everybody here at the convention is. But there are millions of Americans are busy lives there. They've got kids, they've got jobs, they're studying in college, they haven't really tuned in yet. How do you think the change at the top of the ticket will actually translate to votes? Well, when I was growing up, I was raised with a set of values of respecting other people and uplifting people and this sense of community everywhere you go.

38:22I didn't learn too much later that that is what politics is all about. And so I've been urging people my generation to realize that whatever ticket you're voting for, you're voting on your values and everything that you stand for. So for everyone out there, every average American, it's about us finding ways that we can work towards those values and whether that's in small ways, like getting your neighbor, helping drive your neighbor to the polls so they can cast their ballot for whoever they want or if it's in big ways like studying, get out the vote campaign and showing people all about voting rights in the United States and how lucky we are today that we get the opportunity to show up and vote because that's not the way it is in every country and that's not the way it was in America a long time ago when only men could vote.

39:03For example, white men, yeah, exactly. And so I think that we need to remember our values, go back to those and fight all the way through November with that on the top of our brains. And then I'm not, I have no worries in my brain. The vice president Harris will win this thing. When you talk to people about Kamala Harris, do you have a sense that even those who are not politically active will turn out in vote and might not have done for Joe Biden? Oh yes. Oh yes. I think it's this excitement and energy that's being brought to youth right now that we just haven't seen in so long. People, I mean, this is going to be my first time voting in a general election.

39:36So my peers, that's crazy. For my peers, it's the same way. And that's a little bit different for us because our first time voting, we were looking at, I mean, to put it bluntly, it's two old white men that were our options. And that's not so fun as like a young first time voter to be going out to the ballot box and casting a vote for. And I know that maybe Kamala isn't that young, but it's creating excitement for us. Okay, can you, can you sit about her and the kind of atmosphere that there is around her as much as it is about her specific policies? What's, what is it that's important to you?

40:09I think she has many of the same policies as president Biden did. And that's why I was excited to become a delegate for him and excited to come here and cast my vote for him. I think the difference is that she brings with her in energy, in energy that's contagious and that's going to carry us very far as a democratic party. A vibe, yes. Exactly. I mean, there will be people who will vote just on the basis of a vibe, who will not have checked out her economic policies, will not have checked out her positions on fracking. For example, in Pennsylvania, she did in the 2020 election say that she opposed fracking.

40:39Yes, it's an important issue in the state of Pennsylvania. So I beg in Pennsylvania, would you like to see her reverse herself more forcefully? Do you think Pennsylvania is a happy with the fact that she has said, actually, you know what I've changed my position of fracking? Does that go far enough to people you speak to? A Pennsylvania is a swing state, so we're going to get people who think everything from yay fracking to let's get rid of it and everything in between of laws and policies. So I think that there's no answer that she could give that's going to directly affect the way that the Pennsylvania's will vote for her.

41:11But what I do think is that she needs to keep up this vibe, this energy, this enthusiasm, and it won't be about voting on one policy in November. It's about voting on every policy combined and that's basic human rights and decency. Kaylee, what worries you about the selection? Oh, so much. That's the worst question to ask me. My mom always say that I'm a worry ball, but what I've been getting better at is handing her my worries and getting out there and doing the work that needs to be done and letting her hold them. So I'm trying not to think about that and I'm trying to continue to motivate and excite my peers and get the work done through November.

41:47Do you feel as a young delegate that really your role here is to get other young people out to vote? Is that your biggest asset to the Pennsylvania delegation? Well, I think that everyone here their job is to create this excitement while we're at the DNC that we can bring home to our own communities. And within my community, there are 17 of us delegates. And so within those 17 of us, I'm the youngest. My job is to bring this back to all the young people like me who get to vote for the first time. And so that's that's I'm carrying that weight on my shoulders. I have to let you get back into the floor.

42:15But here's one more question. Yes. Do you feel you know what Kamala Harris stands for? Absolutely. And she stands for every human being mattering in this country and abroad. Okay. Kaylee, thank you very much for joining me. Thank you so much.

42:33So that was Kaylee from Pennsylvania, Alistair. I mean, that is what we call it. She's got your vote. Ah, she's a message machine, I guess. Do you know, I've been really struck by wondering around the place just talking to people is that, you know, you talk to her about, you know, low information people and that sense of the being kind of quite a lot of people who are not well educated and presumably not very articulate and so forth. I am amazed at the articulacy of the average person that you talk to at this convention. That was exceptional, I thought. She was not a single, not a single, not a single pause when you ask them pretty, you know, tricky questions.

43:13Just knowing what to say and how to say, I thought it was really impressive. And thing. Oh, I can't do a delegate from Pennsylvania. Yeah, well, I'm impressed and I'm also impressed at the age of the delegate and I would also say to you that if you put her at those universities, Pitt, Carnegie Mellon and you put her around the state, even if you go to Wilkesbury, Scranton, University of Pennsylvania, if you get her to speak and you get her to Canvas, she will do phenomenally well in that state and that is a very weird state. And I think you guys know this but it's important to just repeat it to viewers and listeners.

43:49The left side of the state feels a lot like Ohio. It's industrialized post -industrial era, steel making, the Pittsburgh Steelers. The eastern side of the state is more like the northeast quarter, the Amtrak side of the state Philadelphia being more liberal. Pittsburgh actually more conservative. In the middle of the state, they call it pencil Kentucky because it's really a lot more like Kentucky than it is either of the two ends of the state. So what we did in 2016, David Urban, our Aleister's new friend and I, we can't miss that state for 45 days in an year. If Vice President Harris does that with the help of Governor Shapiro and his offices conjoined with her field offices, she's got a really, really good chance to win the state, but she better have an answer on the fracking.

44:44Got to have an answer on the fracking. All of that nice stuff that was just said by that 21 -year -old. Yeah, that's great. But what is your position now on fracking and will the Pennsyvayneans that need fracking for their lifestyles? Will they support her if she's moderating her position? And then what happens to her with all the environmentalists on her lifelike? Okay, I had one more interview as well last night because I bumped into somebody who you like Anthony and we did this interview as a little surprise for you. My gift to Anthony Scaremucci, Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona.

45:19Senator, the first time I ever interviewed you was back in 2008 to the Democratic Convention for Barack Obama. This convention here in Chicago is now being compared to that one in terms of energy and excitement. Is that how it feels to you? I feel like there's even more energy here. And that's because you remember in 2008, who Barack Obama was running against John McCain, right? John McCain was a hero of mine. And I obviously supported Barack Obama, a Barack Obama, one of our greatest presidents. But John McCain, conservative, stand up Republican, who was a patriot, who served our country in a way I would not, I mean in a way that most people can't even understand.

45:59It was a prisoner of war, it was a Navy combat pilot, and then as a US Senator, US House member, and then as a US Senator, candidate for president. I mean, and that's what 2008 was. And now we're here in 2024. And you have an experienced prosecutor, is an attorney general, US Senator, Vice President, running against a convicted felon. You can't make this stuff up. And by the way, this is a guy, what did he do when he was president? He gave a giant tax cut to himself, a billionaire and his billionaire friends. He shredded a bunch of our alliances and sucked up to a bunch of dictators. And then he took away women's reproductive rights.

46:39So that's why you have a lot of this energy. I mean, it's Kamala Harris and Tim Walt's great candidates, great leaders, experience, have a record of accomplishments, both of them. But on the other hand, you almost couldn't come up with with somebody that in my opinion is a worse candidate. A couple of weeks ago, I interviewed you and I asked you whether you would make a good vice presidential candidate because of your stance on the border. Do you think that Kamala Harris still has vulnerabilities when it comes to the issue of immigration? No, I mean that way very elegantly. She gets it. She has already said that if we bring back that bipartisan border security bill, she would sign it.

47:19She's worked on this issue. The White House has worked on this issue with me. We've made incredible progress. The numbers, the border crossing numbers are down significantly. Now here's what's unfortunate. This stuff really should be done through legislation. And we were so close that Donald Trump told Republican senators who were about to vote for the legislation that they had to walk away from this. And then what they did is they ran away from it. I have never seen such a hypocritical move in Washington as I did when Donald Trump told them that they couldn't vote for this. I mean, this is Washington, DC, we're talking about.

47:55This is like the craziest, most hypocritical thing in America. There is some hypocrisy in Washington, DC. But this is like, this is off that this will go down in the history books as the most hypocritical thing anybody has ever done in serving in public office to talk about this issue over and and then finally get to the point where we actually have a very reasonable solution that was going to provide more pay for Border Patrol agents, Border Patrol Union supported this, more pay, more Border Patrol agents, more CBP officers, more machines to detect fentanyl. Think about that for a second. We do not have the funding for those machines because Donald Trump killed it.

48:29What that means is more fentanyl now comes across the border. It would have been detected. More people now die of overdoses because Donald Trump told Senate Republicans. Do you think he cares about that? No, I don't think he cares about. He only cares about himself. He's made this very clear. I've been watching this guy since the early 1980s. He cares about one person and that's Donald Trump. You don't care about the American people. Kamala Harris cares about families and members of the military who serve, who have paid the ultimate price in service to our country. Donald Trump calls them suckers and losers.

49:07Is she going to win Arizona, your state? Yeah, she's going to win Arizona and she's going to win the White House.

49:15Anthony, I know that you wanted Senator Mark Kelly to be the VP pick for Vice President Harris. What did you think of what he said there? I didn't think he actually said anything massively substantive apart from the fact that he felt she wasn't going to be vulnerable on the border. He's on message. He's a good messenger. It's interesting to Alice that agree with me. He thought he should also be the Vice President. I think he would have covered more ground for her. I guess what we don't know is in the vetting process. We never know. Did somebody have a tax in discretion, God forbid, or did somebody pay a non -documented worker to do domestic housekeeping?

49:54We don't know. I'm not saying he did any of those things, but I think he is the right guy because she would have gotten Arizona. He would have helped her so much on that border issue. He would have helped her in Virginia, guys, because we're loaded up with Navy in Virginia. We're loaded up with veterans. We're tired veterans in Virginia. He's a naval aviator. He's an astronaut. He would have gotten a two -for -one special with him. I'm not saying that Governor Waltz isn't a good guy and isn't a good messenger for her. I think he plays well. He has better approval ratings in JD Vance, although I think this bottle of half -finished water would have better approval ratings in JD Vance.

50:32But I just think Mark Kelly was a guy that I was a missed opportunity there. My opinion, I appreciate you bringing minutes surprise. Plus, he's going to twin. You could have had two -for -one. Yeah, I appreciate you bringing him as a surprise. I have a lot of respect for him. I know a lot of people in the, what I would call the independent moderate community, would identify with his life story. There was interesting, what you said about the interview itself is that he had that, you know, sometimes like if you're doing a book tour or an event where you're having to do the same interview again and again and again, I felt he had these...

51:06He was a little on message. He had a three or four talking points in his head. He was going to get them out. But he was effective. But I'd have to say, and if I was one of these kind of floating voters just listening in, I'd be more persuaded by the first and two. By Kayleigh. In this country, I would nearly always rather interview a voter than an elected official. Which in most cases, you wouldn't say that. They are on message. Elected officials are on message and voters actually talk from their heart. Okay, guys, before we go, what about these rumors that RF Kennedy, Jr. is thinking of dropping out of the race and endorsing Trump?

51:43I don't know. I mean, in a very tight race, of course, every vote makes a difference. He's currently polling in the battleground states at about 3%. He's dropped down from 10%. So he's less of a force in the race today than he would have been a month ago. I spoke to a friend of mine who runs a group called Votolo Latino yesterday who was very excited. We bumped into her oust and she had new polls showing that Kennedy was actually pulling more votes from Trump at the moment than he is from Harris. I don't know that it makes a huge amount of difference. At this stage, him dropping out, what's your take?

52:20Well, I mean, listen, he was funded by Steve Bannon and he was funded by the alt -right because they thought that he would take. Remember, the alt -right Bannon, it's like, I can't stand him, but he's a smart dude. Trump's got a high floor low ceiling at 47 and a half percent. Let's fund Jill Stein. Let's fund RFK Jr. Chippell Wei from whoever the Democratic nominee is. And so if it's not working, and Nicole Shanahan, his vice presidential pick set on a podcast yesterday that they are thinking about dropping out. And then if they did drop out, they would endorse Trump. So that's all the tells that you need to know.

53:01This was a - You don't say that in public unless you're going to do it because by the time you said that, you're the same dog. We're probably in plant, a little bit of worm eating of the brain, a little bit of dropping off. I mean, he's a bear undertaker dropping off a bear in central park. I mean, it probably killed his chances. What can I tell you? Between the worm and the brain, this was a campaign that was on the list. If you need a worm bait, you have RFK Jr's brain. And if you ever find a dead bear somewhere, call him. He's got his own bear funeral home. I mean, it's what I - You know, if I see a dead bear, it's my instinct is to shove it in the boot to my trunk then boot my car too.

53:38And you take the pictures of it first. Yeah, with my finger on his mouth. Can I just ask you a question? One of the things that's kind of running quite big in the media today is this Middle East plan. And there's a story running. I don't know where it came from, but it seems to be quite big that Donald Trump phoned Netanyahu yesterday and said, don't support this because it would be bad for my campaign. Now - Actually, it's a call that was made on August the 14th. Axios has the story. So it was made about a week ago. Okay. Reportedly. Now in your assessment, I mean, that sounds to me like, it's a, well, when it's a repeat of the of the border thing of him telling people not to go with the bipartisan plan, but that feels like a really, really terrible thing to do.

54:23Well, that's a violation. I might have a statement. It's potentially illegal. Oh, no, it's in contradiction. It's a violation of a Logan Act. So listen, you know, there's news reports now about 40 years ago, 44 years ago to be exact that there were back channel deals between the Reagan campaign and the Iranians. All of that has now been documented. And so it was a direct violation of the Logan Act. They've released the hostages on the day of his inauguration. Well, and it was all done on the QT because it was a direct violation of the Logan Act. So I think what's weird about our society now, all of this stuff is happening out in the open.

55:02And so what Trump is doing is these, you know, I think the rules have always been flouted. Yeah. Alistair, I just think that they've been quietly flouted as opposed to where we are now today where they just they just do it brazenly right out in the open. And remember, this is like a weird thing about the Trump administration. My attorney said to me, you're going to go work for the Trump administration. I said, yes, it's a really stupid idea, but I did it. And so you got to sell everything. So I began the process of selling everything. Then I got my ass fired and then I stopped selling things. Okay.

55:33But all these other guys, they never sold anything including Trump. And it was it was it included while Trump didn't have to he's the only exclusion in the law. Okay, because they had to get Washington in the position and they and Washington said I'm not selling Mount Vernon. And so I said, okay, we're going to make an exclusion for the president. So Trump didn't have to sell anything. But the ethics required that everybody else in the room had to sell things. None of them sold anything. And nobody went after them. Nobody went after them. Not the department of justice, not the ethics board. And so it's a weird time.

56:04Allister, that is absolute wrong thing to do. But let me tell you something. It's an economic and political interest for Netanyahu not to cut that deal. Why not wait now? Because if he gets Trump, he's going to get more out of Trump. He's the Biden is gone. He has little to no relationship with a vice president Harris, although coincidentally on the July 2018 trip. She did have a meeting with him. I don't know how many more meetings she's had subsequent to that. But I just think it's a terrible thing. And I'm glad it was exposed. Well, he did. So Netanyahu's office put out a statement in the Times of Israel and denied that this phone call has taken place.

56:45Journalists are now trying to ascertain whether that August 14th call did take place. The Logan Act, by the way, is 1799 law, which prohibits any unauthorized citizen from negotiating with the foreign power on the off of the US government, which is why he could, if he did this, it would be in violation. So another crime, actually potentially that he could add to his long list of things that he thinks he has to. But you know, you're not hiring Donald Trump to stay within the law. Nice. You know, you know, at this point, he's going to break the law. And you're hiring him for other reasons. But one of them is not to be a law -biter.

57:21We will talk tomorrow after Kamala Harris speaks here in Chicago at the DNC. I will force myself to say, wait, that late as we all will. And so that's going to be a live stream that we're going to record on YouTube tomorrow night. As soon as we can, after Kamala Harris has finished speaking, look for it around midnight US time. It'll also go on the trip US feed. So look for the rest of his politics US wherever you get your podcasts. Alistair on that podcast, which you won't be a part of, I will be praising you. You just want to make sure you know that. And we're going to have his justified answer.

57:56They don't force you. I promise you I will find some justification. Full or otherwise. It is always justified. Thank you guys. Thanks for listening. We'll see you later. Bye -bye.