515. Starmer’s Foreign Aid Betrayal, Islamophobia & Australia’s Far Right (Question Time)

22:48Rory Stewart:It's really weird, though. Let's just for a second. I mean, huge congratulations to Malinowski. One of the problems, though, maybe, and this maybe relates to some of these questions we got, Mary's from Adelaide, that it's difficult taking lessons across because he may be just a pretty exceptional politician. And that saying to me or Keir Starmer, you need to be more like Peter Malinowskis may not really work. Or maybe I'm undermining a lot of your entire life, which is going around telling people how to be more like the new Labour government. But presumably people might say to you, it's quite difficult because you don't actually have Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

23:25Rory Stewart:It's no good just saying to some random politician, you need to be more like that. Look, you can't say to somebody, be something that you're not. I mean, Malinowski is a bit like Sanchez. He's very tall and very handsome. He's a good looking bloke. You're saying something about me and Keir Starmer. I think you'd have to grow a bit to be like, he's a Malinowski. But I'll tell you the other thing is that what you described there is he takes bold, clear positions and he then fights for them and he's seen to fight for them. And they're positions that Starmer could have taken, I'm afraid. There's no reason why Starmer couldn't have run something on social media.

23:58Rory Stewart:Absolutely. Which they're now doing. But we always say whenever he does it, following... But can we see it? I mean, with Malolskos, it defined him. He made it the big issue. He let us see the stakes. We sensed Google moving against him, Twitter moving against him. And then Albanese made it federal. That's leadership, I agree. But I think that where Marie's question is right, though, and this is what Peter Malolskos said when we were, you know, exchanging texts over the weekend is that you know this is an amazing win and let's just be let's just look at it he's got you know the liberal party the traditional opposition got four seats pauline hansen's one nation got one seat the greens got zero seats on 10 of the vote so it's they're gonna have to work out how do you have an opposition when he's got such a big majority within the south australian parliament i think there's there's something in the it's the boldness and it's the clarity of it's the relentlessness of communication as well without being an a-hole i mean oh he's not i mean i i got some nice texts from friends of mine who are part of the old liberal party the sort of tory party in in in australia and i'm quite struck that yeah they've they grumble but they're not really chippy about peter malolskis i mean they they occasionally suggest he's populist but that's pretty close suggesting he's popular but boy oh boy the one nation thing we shouldn't underestimate that i mean just just to move off the good news onto the bad news.

25:20Rory Stewart:The bad news is that in 26 of these contests, it was a Labour One Nation contest, and only 12 was against the Liberals. And One Nation, Pauline Hanson, which was a joke, is not a joke anymore. I mean, it's a little bit reform. And what we're discovering around the world, unfortunately, is nobody is immune. There was an Iberian exception. Spain and Portugal weren't supposed to have populist parties. Now they have them. Australia was meant to have a system that defeated populism now it's got it so something's happening and melinolsk is a great clue on how you might beat them but they're a real reality and these and the right parties this is true in britain and it's true the republican party in spades are in such trouble because they cannot hold together people like me who are sort of i suppose centrist moderate urban old-fashioned conservatives and the kind of culture war anti-immigration populists they're having their whole coalition torn in two.

26:17Very interesting, though, how in the mayor elections in France over the weekend, the far right have not done nearly as well as they thought they were going to. Well, that's encouraging, although the AFD is up 10%. The AFD is doing horribly well at the moment. But again, there was an election in one of the lender last week, and it was the CDU who took it from the STP, right? And then the AFD did rise, but they didn't take it. But I'll say the other thing that's interesting, and this is something else I talked about with Malinowskis. we often say we brits that we're always in terms of political campaign techniques and so forth we're always a bit behind the americans i hope we stay behind the americans right now but that's been historically you know something happens in america then we do and the australians then tend to be a few years behind us yeah because pauline hansen's talents haven't changed no still pretty ghastly politics and not a great politician yeah but the debate has changed and the traditional right-wing party has kind of looks like it's imploding a bit it's not nationwide but there it was a really really bad defeat.

27:13But anyway, well done, Mr. Malinowskis. He's a really interesting guy, and I'm very, very pleased that he walked it.

27:20Rory Stewart:Brilliant. Let's take a break. And when we come back after the break, we're going to be talking about Islamophobia in Britain. We're going to be talking about a new King Charles footpath. You have a lighter question for us, and we're also going to share some book recommendations. Excellent.

27:42Rory Stewart:Welcome back to The Rest is Politics Question Time with me, Rory Stewart. And me, Alastair Campbell. Okay, here's one for you, Rory. It's about your old party. Ayan, why do you think the Tories have adopted a reform strategy of Islamophobia as a popular policy? I think Islamophobia is a very, very, very, very real thing. I also think anti-Semitism is a real thing. What seems to be difficult is acknowledging that both those things are happening in spades. there's this very weird thing going on at the moment called the judeo-christian culture which you're now hearing farage talking about a great deal it's really weird i mean we now have uh robert jenrick here's mini me uh talking about psalm sunday psalm sunday yeah so what's going on with psalm sunday what is it actually means palm sunday yeah what you know i know that yeah exactly what you notice is that even you as an atheist know that these guys were not talking about Christianity.

28:36Rory Stewart:Tommy Robinson's march was a lot about Judeo-Christian culture. This is not because they're big church growers. Because they're white. Yeah. And it's extraordinary, the stuff you see on social media. Unbelievable. The repeated stuff that you see, and I get it in my feeds often, is stories saying, the head of education in Britain, who's a Muslim, has decreed that. And then you have to search and find out that whoever they're referring to is not the head of education in Britain. And he hasn't decreed that, right? By which time it's been shared with, you know, 10 ,000 people, 100 ,000 people. One this morning saying that one of the independent MPs saying that they want Muslims to take over the whole of Birmingham, that Mohammed is the most popular name in this.

29:20Rory Stewart:And now the most recent thing is Nick Timothy complaining about a prayers in Trafalgar Square. It's Theresa May's former advisor who's now an MP. And it's heartbreaking because actually that was Muslims welcoming people. So what was it? This is an event in Trafalgar Square. It's been going on for years. In different places. And the Muslim community, like the Christian community and the Jewish community and the Sikh community and the Hindu community, go out of their way to welcome people. It's one of the lovely things that Jewish communities do. They invite Muslims and Christians to come to synagogues, and Muslims are increasingly inviting other people to come and pray with them to show that actually people who have a faith in God have far more in common than divides them, to make it slightly less threatening.

30:04Rory Stewart:So why does Nick Timothy not like it? He says it's an act of domination. Who's dominating whom? The idea is that Muslims are dominating everybody else. I saw it. I saw it. There's something so sad about being unable. Why can't we get to a stage of accepting in the way that we've made progress from so many other things in the world, right? Kind of views that we used to have about women or about people who are gay. One of the stories we tell ourselves is that as people have more gay friends, they're less homophobic. That the kind of prejudices people had 50 years ago was going to know any gay people and now no gay people, they're less worried about it.

30:39Rory Stewart:Why are we not getting there with Muslims? Because anybody who makes friends with a Muslim immediately sees all the human qualities, the generosity, the love, the dignity, the friendliness, and all scary people. Well, I think the answer is that all of these issues are being very, very successfully weaponized. So the front page of the Financial Times review at the weekend was a whole huge piece about the way that the right here are trying to engender the same sort of politicization of religion as you've had in the United States. GB News, the owner of GB News, who's spaffing 100 million quid, whatever is on their losses to try and sort of propagandize for the right.

31:20A lot of it is about this Judeo-Christian thing.

31:23Rory Stewart:This Judeo-Christian thing is interesting because not to make too fine a point on it, the attachment of Judeo to Christian is very odd, right? Actually, a more sensible way to talk about it is Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all being people of the book. They're actually broadly, in many ways, Islam has more in common with Judaism than it does with Christianity. But broadly speaking, there are three religions that are very, very close. One God, similar traditions. Islam actually venerates Jesus, venerates Moses. I mean, so this weird thing of Judeo-Christian and lopping off the Islam bit is really weird.

32:01Rory Stewart:I can see the logic for Christianity. I can see the logic for Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. But Judeo-Christian? So you're a Christian? Yes. I'm an atheist. Yes. And I'm probably more driven by politics than faith. Right. Okay. So I look at Robert Jenrick. Yeah. Now, as it happens, I'm preconditioned to think the guy's a complete bullshitter because I've seen a lot of evidence. He's a complete bullshitter and utterly opportunistic. So when he says the importance of Psalm Sunday, right, which is actually an evil eye, though, it's Palm Sunday. Do you remember why it's called Palm Sunday? It's to do with something or other.

32:38Yeah. parboiled. No, it's not. I don't know. I haven't got a clue. You'll tell me. But then I see Farage, and it's inserting itself more and more into his communications. We've got the election coming up in Hungary quite soon, okay? Orban, he's full of this religious stuff.

32:53Rory Stewart:And it's now being praised by Netanyahu, and Trump. Not only praised by Netanyahu, Netanyahu went to Hungary to endorse him in the campaign. J.D. Vance is about to, we talk about not interfering in other people's elections. J.D. Vance is about to go. And of course, Vance is a lot of its religion. It's a lot of eccentric narrative there too, isn't it? Because it's a sort of Christian narrative, which is also based on the idea that the Hungarians are Magyar nomads who came out of Central Asia. The whole thing's very confusing. But you say, how does it happen? What happens is you take any story you want and you can politicize it.

33:25So, and I've always felt, maybe it's because my mother was a believer and my sister's a believer, and I see people who have their faith and they think it's all about doing good. Right. Respecting other people and belief in something above you that's better than you. But you basically try to do good.

33:45Rory Stewart:Yeah, and also accepting that you're pretty fragile and flawed and the world's a bit screwed up. Exactly. This is a way of talking and forgiving and thinking about the way we're all a bit screwed up. And I don't see any of that in Trump, in Vance, in Hexas. Hexas actually reads from the Bible at his press conferences while he's busy showing these videos of 10-pin bowlings done up as American flags, taking out jihadis in his head. So Joe Rogan, who is not usually the person who presides in this podcast, had an extraordinary moment of revelation where he was following up one of these American colonels who gave a speech saying how happy he was about this Iran war because what the book of Revelations tells us is that Donald Trump is going to unleash Armageddon on the world and this is going to lead to the Second Coming.

34:31Rory Stewart:coming yeah and joe rogan was like whoa and the guy on the podcast with him was like okay i get it it's not just that there are mad muslims out there with crazy fundamentalist views who are trying to bring the world to an end there are mad christians out there well add to that there are mad atheists out there you know adolf hitler famous he was an atheist there are mad buddhists out there i mean one of the sad things in myanmar is that's one of the most you believe it right one of the most peaceful imaginable religions in the world managed to generate its own violent genocidal nationalists. So look, all different things can be used like this, but there's something particularly horrible, particularly horrible about Christianity, which where the whole narrative is supposed to be peace, forgiveness, love.

35:12Rory Stewart:And the Pope does keep trying to point this out, to be fair to him. And actually it was a Christian bishop who came out and praised what the Muslims were doing in Trafalgar Square and tried to stand up for them. I mean, so the church is not responsible for this really but just on this thing about the um the politicization of religious religion in the united states and trump doesn't do that much he did it in his first time he went carrying his bible to that thing and but he doesn't sort of push it down your throat like vance does and like hexath does i really think we're getting very close to the point where your friend the king should follow the pope and saying i'm not going to 250th anniversary stuff i'm going going to spend the day with the poor people.

35:55What do you think of that, Rory?

35:57Rory Stewart:Well, I think he's in a very difficult situation. I think he's a very difficult situation. You talked about this constitution. He is there in many ways to support this government. And I think it's a call that Keir Salman's got to make. What would you do if you were Keir Salman? What would you be advising the king to do? I really do think we're very close to it. Just go through the last few days. You had that horrible thing we talked about on the main podcast about Robert Mueller. I'm glad he's dead. Very Christian. You had him doing that endorsement for Orban. You've had him posting a clip from a satirical program, taking the piss out of Keir Starmer for being weak in the face of Donald Trump.

36:36Rory Stewart:But is Starmer's calculation not, in a sense, that the only thing... He's probably thinking containment. Well, he isn't the only thing we know that Trump actually quite likes about the United Kingdom. Is the royal family the one person? I didn't know it was any good the first time. You had the state visit, that nonsense of being driven around Windsor Park with low crowds there. And so you treat him like a man baby. You know, you could argue we got a few months decent treatment. Since when, barely a day goes by that he doesn't insult Keir Starmer. Well, I'm going to do tilt because I think the king's in a difficult position there.

37:10Rory Stewart:But there's something that actually he's got a lot of credit for recently. Oh, the coastal path. That's it. I love the coastal path. Well, maybe we should walk a part of it sometime. Not all of it. It's 2 ,000 miles of it. I don't know. We should do it in sections. So, Osama, who's a TripPlus member from Denham. There's a lot of doom and gloom in the UK right now. Can we celebrate some of our recent achievements, such as the completion of the world's longest coastal path? Yeah. This project started under Gordon Brown, took 18 years to compete, whereas the northern part of HS2 was suddenly mothballed by Rishi Sunak without parliamentary approval.

37:45Rory Stewart:Bloody Taurus. Osama's being a bit... Why do you stick that in? How can government and citizens monitor and protect long-term projects that transition between governments and generations? Well, I want to pay tribute, given that he's being nice about Gordon Brown, to John Major, whose national forest is now a real delight. I don't know whether you've seen it. I mean, obviously, he stepped down in 97. It's incredible. It went into basically an area of damage. I like stepped down. Damage. Was crushed by you in an election. It was absolutely obliterated. He was malinorskist. You know, it's amazing, right?

38:18Rory Stewart:So that was waste ground and has been transformed into this beautiful forest and now this coastal path. You can also now walk along the north bank of the Thames. So maybe if you're not prepared to do the full 2 ,000 miles, I mean, north bank of the Thames is beautiful. I love the idea of the coastal path. Sadiq Khan, your mate. The south bank of the Thames, it's still a bit annoying. I often try to walk that. There are many bits where you are pushed away from the river. You get stuck by stuff. You can't particularly get from Greenwich through. That's not rocket science. A really determined there.

38:46Rory Stewart:I hate that phrase. Okay. I absolutely hate that. It's a terrible cliche. It's not rocket science. What does it mean? Well, what it means is that if I were mayor of London, I would promise to resign in a year unless I'd sorted out the southern path along the coast. Did you say it's not rocket science when you made the prison's pledge? No, I didn't say that. Because I really do hate that phrase. Please desist from using it. I'll stop that. Okay, I'll stop that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm very surprised that you're using such a profound and horrible cliche. Actually, I had a friend who managed to use that phrase when people were actually discussing space and somebody was able to say, actually, it is.

39:21Fiona and I went this morning. We had a body off. Went to see the Turner Constable exhibition at the Tate Modern.

39:28Rory Stewart:Good blimey. So I walked here. And I noticed just before you get to the House of Laws, there's like a beach. Yeah, yeah, it's lovely. So what's happening there? At Low Tide. What's happening there? There's always a beach at Low Tide. Can you go out there and swim? You can't get down off the wall because the police will get in trouble. You wouldn't swim in the water, would you? Go down the beach, it's really fun. If you go down the gravel, there's amazing things. You can find 16th century pipes and all this kind of stuff. I also once went canoeing with Mr. McDonald, the SMP MP. We canoed straight past the House of Lords Terrace.

39:57Rory Stewart:Yeah, that was a fun moment. Were they lobbing abuse at you? Were you lobbing abuse at them? Yeah, back and forth. And my canoe partner lobbing abuse at me. I think the coastal path is great. I think the... And that's a great thing for the king to be involved in. It was great. I mean, I think the king's been stuffing the environment. his Amazon documentary which I keep talking up on Harmony so I think it's great that he's got involved in that and got behind that Do you think he'll join in the New World's campaign to get all our readers to watch an hour of GB News Tell us about that campaign I don't think his majesty is going to be involved in the New World campaign to watch an hour of GB News I don't think he likes GB News Tell us about it That's a weird segue way that's like when you tell me off and i go on on sky news i'm not mentioning the podcast you do that it's yeah last week we talked about the new world and then ed davie thank you very much ed davie raised it in the commons i didn't like keir starmer's response i don't think he was listening much because he basically said i'm a great believer in freedom of speech and ofcom needs to sort itself out in other words ofcom should be in charge of sorting itself out when the point we're making is ofcom is totally unfit for purpose and has been useless at stopping GB News from becoming Farage TV.

41:13So their line to us, as I said to you last week, was that, well, we can only act if we get complaints. So we're asking our listeners and our readers and anybody that we meet, we're saying, just spend one hour. And send in your honest views. Send in your honest views. Have the Ofcom guide about impartiality and fairness and balance and accuracy. And then if you think it's been breached, write to Ofcom. Then they'll have to investigate your complaint. It's a lovely idea. So I think if the King and Camilla would like to do that, That'd be great.

41:40Rory Stewart:That's a lovely idea. You just reminded me, actually. I've completely failed to praise, and this is with huge apologies because I'm so bad at these segues, my friend Simon Collins, former ambassador to Riyadh, who was very, very helpful in helping me understand what's happening in the least. Right, now, final question. That was a really bad segue. He's so bad at plugging. I'm so bad, yeah. Final question from Alessandro. Could you include some book recommendations in your newsletter? Oh, yeah. Not only about Iran. Have you read anything good recently in any language? Do you know when we were in Spain?

42:11Yes. Do you remember Sanchez's press secretary, communications director? And she was a journalist like me before I became a communications director. She was a journalist. And she'd written a book in Spanish, which translates as In the Womb of the Jihad. Very good. Okay. And I said, well, I can't speak Spanish. And she said, well. You can read Spanish, can't you? I could probably read. But then she said, well, she signed it. Yes. And then she said, it's been translated into French. But I honestly think, you know, I'm always asking publishers to pick up German books, one of which has just been done, by the way.

42:46This is... Alexandre Gill. No, this is great. Because basically, what you get is, you were saying this about, you know, the way that we think about people. So if you think, if I think of somebody who's a suicide bomber, say, who went from Britain or France or Belgium, they're the three big countries. She only talks to Belgian and French people, families of jihadis. Somebody goes and he's a suicide bomber. What are your thoughts about what their family might be like?

43:11Rory Stewart:I think it's heartbreaking. I mean, I think it's, firstly, it's somebody who's taken their own life. Secondly, it's somebody who's got involved in a violent, criminal, horrible act of murdering other people. I'd imagine it's like talking to the parents of people who I saw in prison who'd committed horrible crimes, which is the terrible kind of terror in your heart of the horror that your son has inflicted on the world and asking yourself what you did to create the situation in which that happens. What often happens is that somebody gets involved in that, and then the way they're then treated by the public, by the media, is like somehow this is down to you because you're their family.

43:49Rory Stewart:You're their parents, yeah. And I mean, I've not finished the book yet, but I'm reading one at the moment where actually the parents are Catholics, and he was raised as a Catholic. Yeah. And he gets radicalized, and off he goes, aged 18. and it's just incredibly moving to get this and and she's done an amazing job she spent a lot of time with these people getting their whole life story i mean it must be awful but it is but the parents of that person who assassinated charlie kirk or the guy that uh tried to assassinate trump or the parents of the um young scottish boy who went off to fight on the russian side against the ukrainians yeah i mean i don't know how you process your 18 19 year old going off to No, I'm just reading one of a sister, the sister of a guy who was involved in Islamic State, and she lost her job on the back of it.

44:41Right. You know. Or parents of people who do school shootings. Yeah. Anyway, it's really interesting. I asked you what you thought, and I'd like to think I'd have given the same answer. But the honest truth is, I've probably never thought of it. You hear about somebody doing something like a suicide bomber. you get a snatch of what they look like because there's a picture of them. But then you probably don't think what's behind that.

45:04Rory Stewart:I knew someone who tried to strap himself up and blow himself up. And he was basically a kind of troubled, naive 18-year-old who I knew in Afghanistan and who decided to try to... was radicalized and went over to the Haqqani Network and tried to blow himself up and was stopped by the police just 50 yards from detonating himself. I don't know what you do with it. It's a horrible thing. What are you reading? Yeah, so a couple of things. One is a great book by Arthur Snell called Elemental. And this is a book about geopolitics and climate. So anyone really interested in geopolitics and climate, I'd really recommend it because Arthur Snell is a former British diplomat.

45:44Rory Stewart:He's worked in some of the very toughest places in the world. He also did conflict resolution stuff. It's really relevant at the moment, partly because he talks about why desalination plants happen, how climate change affected Syria and how unless we think about climate change, we can't really understand geopolitics. This is a theme we've raised before. Another book, Sebastian Maliby's written a book called The Infinity Machine, which is about Sir Demas Hussabis, the Nobel Prize winning amazing AI, Google DeepMind founder. And I've interviewed him on our Restless Politics AI miniseries. And I think people should listen.

46:24Rory Stewart:I mean, firstly, Demacis Abbott is mesmerizing, but Sebastian is an incredible analyst of these tech titans. He talks so well about, if you compare it, the culture of Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Trump, and the risks of AI and the ways in which it's not being regulated, and the odd combination of good intention, recklessness, and hubris that are driving us to the edge of some real challenges. So that interview, which I've done with Sebastian Malaby on Demis, the Sabbath and AI, is out on Friday. And if you want to listen, go to the rest of this politics.com to sign up. And final thing, Ditchly, which does those conferences, has got a great new series of walking around the lake, talking to the director about geopolitical issues.

47:10Rory Stewart:So people on the more geeky side of geopolitics may include, and may enjoy a walk around the lake with by Ditchley. My last plug is the book I mentioned last week by Liam Byrne, Labour MP, Why the Populists are Winning and How We Defeat Them, which we're going to do a little mini-series on because it really, it doesn't have all the answers, but maybe if we chat about it, we can maybe get to some more. But it's a brilliant analysis of this whole populist. And are you going to be able to weave in my new hero who I've never actually met, or I've only met briefly, Peter Hyman, who's been traveling around looking at populists in the States.

47:45Definitely weave him in. Great, great. So hold on, you've gone from Alan Bilburn to Pedro Sanchez and now you're with Peter Hyman. Yeah, yeah. I've never given up on Corbyn along the way, have I? With his ears, his beautiful ears. His beautiful ears. Oh, another plug, my final plug. What do you think this might be? It's a badge. I went to a UEFA conference last week. Oh my goodness. Which was really interesting. It was really interesting. And remind us UEFA is. What? uefa is the union of european football associations it's like fifa for europe correct that's right that's absolutely right so all i was there to sort of talk to all the fa's all the football associations of europe's england scotland wales northern ireland ireland so it's really but so there was armenia and azerbaijan yeah and there was ukraine and russia oh well uefa's not kicked out russia russia is banned from competing right but they can go to conferences so there was russia anyway the guy from the ukrainian fa came up and he said i want you to he listens to our podcast he likes our discussions on ukraine he said i want you to have our new badge and the badge is a it's a stadium and it's called chernyhev stadium and it says destroyed by russia that's the stadium i mean why are they bombing stadiums why are they doing that that's just hitting civilian infrastructure isn't it so that's my

49:03Rory Stewart:new badge it's very good i was thinking of you recently in football because i was watching spartacus with the kids so you guys i was watching sparta prague no the czech league um no the original the original spartacus and and yeah and that's i suddenly realized there are like 80 different football teams called after spartacus called spartac because that legend of the slave revolt inspired the communists and they all called their football team spartac as a result and what happened to your plans you were talking about your boys wanted to go to a game i hadn't got my head around how much Chelsea tickets cost.

49:33Rory Stewart:I'm afraid I was too mean to take them. Oh, you should give me a call. I know people are in a bit. Yeah, exactly. Brilliant. Now, final one for me. I know I said a final one, but this is really the final one. Myve, where did Alistair get that dashing red coat? Chloe, Alistair, where'd you get that coat? Kind of want one. Hashtag style icon. And Victoria Davidson, talk us through the jacket choice. Well, I have to tell viewers and listeners, it was a present from Rory Stewart. And it's a very nice present. And I actually do love it. I've got it here. I was wearing it today. I gave you a nice present, though.

50:10You did. I wrote a tune for you and played it on the back post. Yes, it was lovely. You gave me a lovely. So that, dear listener and viewer, is a Stewart tartan. Now, whoever made this...

50:19Rory Stewart:It's a real tribute to you because actually as a gift, it was quite a risky gift. There was a strong likelihood you might never wear it. No, I love it. Great. I wear it all the time. But I want a Campbell tartan one. so whoever made it it's made by gloverall if we want to well i tried to get hold of them and i sent them a message i've got this very difficult to get hold of gloverall i really like things my paddington bear coats made by them too but i can never get hold of them to get any answers out of them they've got different things on the website and i just want to ask simple questions like is this the same coat and they'll never pick up so gloverall if you're listening you make good coats but you need to sort out your customer relations but i'd like this in campbell tartan if I may yeah and I'll happily wear it my um Sasha's just been reading kidnaps and he was like the Stuart Campbell thing I the Stuarts really don't like the Campbells no it's more that the Campbells don't like the Stuarts you know I mean what was the dictum he was trying domination I sent him a I sent him a picture of the massacre of Glencoe which I I saw recently good all right thank you all very much thank you see you next week bye bye bye

51:51Rory Stewart:We'll be right back. Limited time offer for new clients on federal returns. Participating locations only. Terms at jacksonnewitt.com slash 149.