Behind Hailey Bieber’s Vogue Cover | PLUS The Best Films at Cannes So Far

0:05This is The Run Through. I'm Chloe Mal, and I am here with Vogue's deputy editor Taylor Antrim. Hi, everyone. And our new Vogue cover just dropped. It is the summer issue, and the cover star is the OG clean girl, Hayley Bieber herself. And Taylor, you worked on this cover with writer and Vogue contributor Alessandra Codina. I sure did. And I love working with Alessandra. And it was super great to have her on the show to talk about this story. There was a lot of backstory, a lot of, you know, medium levels of intrigue, I would say. I like diving into our text thread and sort of recreating how we got to this cover story.

0:43I think Taylor's initial question to Alessandra was subject line, are you a believer? To which the response was, I am not. I could be. Anyway. And now we have British Vogue's film and culture editor, Radhika Seth, reporting straight live from the Cannes Film Festival. It looks like, Radhika, you're actually on the Quasette right now. Can you set the scene? We're looking at Radhika with a backdrop of very French Riviera, Monaguesque vibe, rounded buildings. Balconies, some blue sky. Yes. Give it to us. We're all full of canned fever here in New York. Yes, I'm actually on the Croisette. So I'm just inside the Palais de Festival.

1:28And there's a really great press room here with a little terrace. And it actually looks straight onto the red carpet. Oh, wow. I know. Press room with a terrace? I've never heard of such a thing. They don't have that at Sundance. Yeah, right. This is France, so you've got to give people places to smoke, basically. Oh, good call. You know? So I'm the only person, I think, not smoking out here, but that's okay for now. It's really great to work here, actually, because you can see everything happening on the red carpet, and it, like, gets very frenzied when you have, like, Jennifer Lawrence coming down here.

2:00So it's a good spot to be in. So for those of you who might not know what an average day at the Cannes Film Festival looks like, Radhika, can you give us a run of show? Like, what's your daily? how much you pack into a day at a film festival is of great interest to to me at least so yeah yeah to one person yeah i feel like it's like a balance that you have to hit like you can definitely see like as many films as possible i think it's probably possible to see like four or five and keep your sanity but i think i'm also writing reviews and like the occasional dinner or event and then i think maybe like three is quite realistic but I think after like a day with four, I'm pretty exhausted, yeah.

2:39So yeah, every day starts at like 7 a.m. because there's a booking system here in Cannes that's really tricky. So you have to sort of wake up at 7 and immediately jump on and book your screenings for the kind of days to come. Oh, wow. It sounds like children's summer camps in New York City. It's so, Chloe, it's so competitive. It's literally like you have to be up exactly at 7 and booking straight away and within like one or two minutes, the slots are completely full. Yeah, that sounds like booking on the Upper West Side for kids' camps. Refresh, refresh, refresh. So let's just get to it. What have you seen?

3:11Because given all that competition, there have been these big showy sort of debuts already that everyone is talking about. Yeah, loads of great stuff already. I feel like the film that's screened so far and I feel like what might come closest to getting the palms so far is this film called Sound of Falling by Masha Shlinsky, which I feel like you've definitely heard about Taylor and Cully, haven't you? I'm nodding my head. We were actually talking about it in our editorial meeting this morning, and we were sort of laughing that some of the names of the films from Cannes, like the chronology of water and the sound of falling, sound like you said, make chic sounding movie title into Chad GPT.

3:48History of sound as well. History of sound. It's all very poetic. It's sort of Robert Frost poems. And meaningless. All right. So tell us about this one, because the reviews were rapturous. They were really, really rapturous. It's a really mysterious, strange kind of film, really beautiful. So it's sort of set, it's by a German filmmaker set in Germany. And it's sort of about four women and sort of spread across time. And it moves back and forth in time, but it's set in one house. And it's almost kind of like a haunted house movie, but it's sort of like these women going through their lives and you kind of get a sense of the history of the periods that they're in and how their lives sort of mysteriously kind of overlap, which you kind of get a better sense of as you go on in the film.

4:29But it's really quite haunting and moving and very strange. It's one of those films where I kind of came out of it and it took me like a day or two to process it and now I was like, oh, okay. So she's connected to her in that way, I think. So it's a great one to have lots of conversations about here because I think everyone's trying to work out like, what did it mean? It's a really, really interesting one. I feel like it will be great to see that come out and it definitely could be kind of a stealthy awards contender down the line, I think, potentially. Cool. Okay. I like a house-based film. It's like to the lighthouse.

5:02Yeah. We love a breakout German film at Cannes. All right. All right. Tell us more. What else have you seen? Have you seen the Jennifer Lawrence movie? I have. Yeah, that's been getting a lot of buzz. Oh, my gosh. All right. Tell us. It sounds like, you know, as we keep saying, the moms are not okay in movies these days, are they? Nor in life, frankly. Yeah, yeah. it's fun that you say that because I actually the reviews have been amazing but I was less convinced by it but I thought it was almost kind of like Night Bitch if you guys both saw Night Bitch in the sense it was very much like a mother's unraveling but it's a lot of like shouting and screaming it's very entertaining but afterwards I was a bit like unsure of what exactly they were fighting about it's very dramatic it's very beautiful but I don't know if there was a lot of substance there for me we're talking about Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson, right?

5:52That's right, the two of them. And they are both great in this film. And it's Lynne Ramsey. So you know that it's going to look really amazing and the images are sort of very dazzling. It's about a pair of New Yorkers who move to the countryside and they start this new life together, have a baby, and then they kind of begin growing apart and everything sort of unravels from there. And the character played by Jennifer Lawrence goes through this sort of period of postpartum depression and psychosis. and yeah, it really kind of goes sort of off the rails from that point in kind of epic style. But I think it's been really rapturously reviewed, but I have some questions about it and I'm very interested to see what people actually make of it when it comes out because there's definitely like a strong Oscar campaign there as well for Jennifer, I think.

6:37Because it's also been, it's been like 12 years, can you believe that, since she won? Did you see the Sundance movie, If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You? It's not out yet. No, I really want to see it. Okay, because that's another mother off the rails, right? Yes. And it's Rose Byrne doing this and I made Anna see this movie because I was quite excited about it. And she looked at me in a meeting and she was like, what on earth did you just make me watch? No, I'm not. She shamed me for this, but I stand by it. I think if I had lights, I'd kick you and die my love. I mean, yeah, we've got a lot of deranged mothers to look forward to this fall.

7:10And I'm excited. I feel like it just seemed from the video and photos I saw of Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson on the red carpet that they have nice chemistry. And they have great chemistry in the film as well. It's a lot raunchier than I expected, actually, as well. All right. All right. All right. There's always a little bit of that at can, you know? There is. It's true. But wait, I want to ask you about another much-discussed film, Eddington, which maybe you saw? Yes, yes. I have seen it, yes. Quick intake of breath. Okay. Tell us about Eddington. Ari Aster's film? Yes. Following the very strange Bo is Afraid movie with Joaquin Phoenix.

7:46And this one also stars Joaquin, right? It does. If Bo's Afraid tried your patience, I feel like this will as well. I feel like it's definitely that like order, Ariasta. It's not really in the vibe of like a Midsommar or a Hereditary, which I think they're both such like fun films. This I think is trying to be fun, but is maybe a little bit misguided. So it's Joaquin Phoenix, incredible cast. So Joaquin Phoenix, Pedro Pascal, Emma Stone, Austin Butler. So lots of talent in there for sure. But it's Basically, it's set in New Mexico in like a fictional small town during May 2020. So like in the middle of the pandemic.

8:25And essentially, Joaquin Phoenix is a local small town sheriff. And he does not believe in face masks. And yes, and then basically runs against Pedro Pascal, who is the mayor of this small town, on like the basis of giving people back their sort of rights in the time of the pandemic, basically. So essentially it's sort of like everything that you don't really want to relive right now in terms of pandemic restrictions and all cultural references from that period. I mean, I'll do anything Pedro tells me to, so yeah. You'll watch it, Chloe. You'll be there. She loves herself some Pedro Pascal. Oh my God, he's so handsome in his little muscle team.

9:12and he didn't look so good. Was it? Yeah. Oh, my God. At the photo call. He inspired Christian to write a piece on how this is kicking off hunk summer. I can't. You also, you saw Splitsville, which is the new Dakota Johnson comedy. Was that fun? Like, I want to know what movies I'm going to be excited to see. Yeah, that was so much fun, actually. I really enjoyed it. It's like, it's a rare encounter, I think, to get like a lovely, like frothy comedy. And that's what that film is. And with all this quite like serious fare, you kind of need something like that. And it's sort of like a four, it's like two different couples who are friends and this sort of like love square that kind of unfolds within them.

9:54And it's really, really fun. And yeah, that's definitely one to look out for, play. I'd recommend it. Okay, what about the new Richard Linklater? Yes, oh my God. Nouvelle Vague, so all the new wave. It's about the making of Breathless, the Jean-Luc Godard film. Oh, fun. I know. So if you guys are like French film, like New Wave fans, I feel like you'll really enjoy it. It's basically like all of the players of that period presenting this film and the making of this film, which is actually still one of my favorite films of all time. So I feel like if you don't know what Breathless is, then it won't make any sense.

10:29But if you love the French New Wave, I feel like you'll really, really enjoy it. It's sort of like very, like a light comedy drama about all the fun details that sort of went into making that film. because it really was like made on the fly, kind of in secret, a film without permits in Paris. Oh my God. And it's a really great story. Wow. That's fun. Link Letters on a good roll, actually. He's making very pleasurable movies these days. So I can't wait to see that one. So what are you seeing tonight or today or what's on the docket for you? Yes, so I'm going to leave you guys and head off to the premiere of Highest to Lowest, which is the new Spike Lee film.

11:04Oh, great. So very excited about that. I think it's also, it's his reunion with Denzel Washington, but I think it's also Denzel's first time at Cannes, which is crazy. Wild. He's been everywhere, straight from Broadway to Cannes. Oh my gosh, yeah. Well, that'll be fun. And are you seeing Alpha? I'm very curious about Alpha by Julie Ducourneau, whose last movie, Titan, won Cannes. That was several years ago now. But I feel like your dark side might come into play with this one. What do you think? Yeah, I love Titan. I love Raw. So I'm very excited for Alpha as well. And yeah, it's a double bill for me tonight.

11:39It's the highest, lowest, and straight into alpha afterwards. Ooh, double espresso for you. I know, finish at like 1 a.m., but it'll be worth it, I guess. Yes, yeah. Well, good. Well, we should have talked to you tomorrow. I want to find out all about those movies, but you can update me on Slack. We can do a late-breaking update. I have seen History of Sound, which... You have? Yes. History of Sound is the Josh O 'Connor and Paul Muskell film, which is premiering at Cannes in a few days. And I was invited to an early New York screening. Can't wait to see it. That's my last film before I leave, actually.

12:12So I'm really excited. Okay, Radhika, what have you thought about the Faust? Because I feel like Emily Chan on British Folk's team did a great roundup of the vintage looks, and there were some really fun, glamorous vintage moments that can always feel like a great moment for a 50s or 60s oat glamour revival. And Natalie Portman did it last year with the June Andres by Dior. She did another recreation of a 1950s Dior haute couture dress. Irina Shayk wore an amazing Yves Saint Laurent vintage dress. Amal Clooney, who was there for the premiere of the Bono documentary Stories of Surrender. She very rarely makes red carpet appearances, but she was in a Dior by Galliano black taffeta number that did have a train, sort of mermaid-esque.

13:03Rooney Mara wore a very elegant. 1956 Givenchy Couture white strapless dress with a very pretty sort of mini train on the back that I thought was really elegant. What were some other favorite moments you had, Radhika? I actually really liked Kristen Stewart as well, and I don't feel like we talked about her before, because also she's making her directorial debut with The Chronology of Water, which I think we mentioned, didn't we? We made fun of the title unfairly, but yes, that movie's getting a lot of love, And I'm excited to see the new era of Kristen Stewart, the director. So, yeah, tell us about her look.

13:40It's really, really well directed. But also, yeah, I think she was in a lot of Chanel, but I think she kind of like played with the dress code in a way that I thought was really fun. Like for the photo call, I think she was wearing like a little Chanel suit, but it was sort of unbuttoned with shorts, but with this like transparency over it. It was a short suit, but with like a tie, but not really a shirt. And then she also wore a pale lavender Chanel skirt suit with matching pink hair, which was very exciting. Yes, I love the dip dye hair. My best dressed has been Juliette Binoche, who's on the jury.

14:13And she has just looked fabulous and very French and going in all different directions. She's making statements. She's looking discreet. She's sort of really matching her mood to her outfit. Can I also shout out Isabel Oupar, who is like my queen of Cannes forever? Yes. I feel like she's in a lot of Balenciaga. She was wearing like double denim for the photo call. And I just felt like she looks, she's so cool. Like I just can't get over how cool she is. She's got a film here as well. But yeah, even if she doesn't, she comes, I feel like she comes all the time and she always just looks amazing.

14:45She was wearing like a very bright, like highlighter yellow, like kind of fringe dress on the red carpet. And I just thought, yeah, like do it. Go for it. It's so good. Let's name each of our queen of Cannes. Taylor, who's your queen of can? Jeremy Strong. Good one. Yes! That guy, he never misses. He looks so comfortable. It's always the same shade, you know? We're doing a piece on Jeremy's hats. Yeah, yeah. Chapeau. I'm into his sneakers. Because he's wearing, like, matching his bucket hats to his suits here while he's on the jewelry, I think, which has been great. My queen of can is actually Alexander Skarsgård.

15:21Okay. He has been styled by Harry Lambert in the most amazing wackadoodle looks. I really respect and embrace him for dressing like this. He wore thigh-high Saint Laurent fetish boots, basically, to the Phoenician scheme premiere, which also, I feel like that has a lot of bods around it in the way that most Wes Anderson movies do. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's opening really soon here in the States. at least. I'm going to the premiere next week. Very exciting. Yeah, because you were saying that's like in competition, but it's also one of those kind of more blockbuster-y ones, isn't it? Just because it always has that like incredible cast.

16:01Yeah. And Mia Threeporten is really good in it. She's Kate Winslet's daughter and she's sort of the second lead after Benicio Del Toro. And I actually just interviewed her like an hour ago. Oh, perfect. Yeah. Did you see the Harris Dickinson movie? The Harris Dickinson directed movie? Yes, I did. I actually think it's so great. I feel like there's a lot of skepticism them and I understand it but there is about like actors making their directorial debuts and there's like three big ones this year you've got Scarlett Johansson, Harris Dickinson and Kristen Stewart who we spoke about but Urchin is actually my favorite of I mean I've not seen the Scarlett one yet but Urchin I thought was great it's so so good it's really like I think Harris is clearly like a big cinephile and you can tell that you know he's obviously worked with these amazing like art house directors already and you can kind of see that the influence of all of those things and arching in a really beautiful way, I thought.

16:52So it's filmed like on the streets of London in quite like a fly on the wall kind of way, which is really cool. But also there are these weird kind of surreal moments and shots. And I was like, oh yeah, of course, you know, you've worked with like Eliza Hittman and, you know, Ruben Osland. So it makes sense that you have this style. And I was really, really impressed. Actually, it's really good. Harry Stickison, friend of the pod. Oh, friend of the pod, beloved of the pod. Radhika, thank you so much. Have a wonderful rest of your screenings today. Thank you. Courage. And have a great rest of your trip.

17:29Merci beaucoup. Fun talking to you. Thank you so much. Bye. Bye. Bye. The Run-Through will be back with our conversation with Alessandro Godina. Stay tuned.

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18:31Alessandra, we are so excited to have you on the show. And I loved reading this article because, like the best of us, I am susceptible to going down a Haley Justin Daily Mail rabbit hole. And I was very happy to have the record set straight on many things, many conspiracy theories. I want to know what your relationship to Haley was like before this story. Were you a fan? Do you use road? Are you a believer? I think that was my first question to you, actually, Alessandra. I think it was. I was like, I think the subject line was, are you a believer? Or like, do you believe? Well, thank you guys for having me.

19:09This is so fun. And I obviously grew up with Justin Bieber, I think, in the way. I'm a little bit older than them, but I knew who he was. I knew the music. Like, I can definitely sing all the songs, probably. Like, those were definitely part of my youth. And then with Haley, it was really more, like, I took in a lot of the writing about her, I think, as a lot of people have. Like, she became a sort of tabloid fixation for people. and I'd read these very funny, often not terribly kind pieces about her. Like there was a really wonderful story, which was about Justin Bieber and they mentioned Haley in it.

19:50And she's this sort of like non-playable character. Like she's basically sitting in his bedroom waiting for him to come back and he like doesn't really acknowledge her. And it's not a very flattering like this. And that was kind of my impression of her. And then I saw Road and really saw this thing take off in such a way where even before I was assigned this story, I actually interacted with people in line for the pop-up at R.O.A. in L.A. because I was like, what are you all waiting for and why do you all have the same like slicked hair? What's happening? And it was real. Like, it's a real thing and the products are good and people really love them.

20:31And that's not always true of these sort of celebrity-faced endeavors, I think, as we know. So I had a lot of respect for her for building this thing, but I didn't actually know a lot about her. And here's what I knew, because I've been at Vogue forever, and I edited the 2019 cover story of Hayley Bieber, which was sort of, I mean, you can look it up. It was a picture that raced around the internet back then. It was Haley and Justin together, photographed by Annie Leibovitz in LA. And it was right after, you know, their sort of relationship had begun. And that story was kind of a surprise when it came in, because sometimes when we have a model on the cover, one never knows exactly where the interview is going to go.

21:18And this story came in, it was written by Rob Haskell, who's a contributor to the magazine. And it was like incredibly revealing. And Justin was all over it, and they were talking about their sex life. And I remember I just kind of like brought it into Anna's office and was sort of like, I think our work here is done. We just need to like put this out into the world. So there was that story in my head that actually, you know, an interview with them, with her, can yield like incredibly personal material. And I did have a little clue that something might be afoot this time, because in the course of lining up these cover stories, you have a lot of back and forth with the publicist, as everyone listening to this can imagine.

21:59And one of the things the publicist told me early on was that Haley, now that she's had a baby, that was part of the sort of peg of this is Haley as a mom, really wants to talk to a female writer. Yeah, I mean, I was really moved, actually, by like how open she wanted to be, how much she wanted to share, especially around, you know, the story of actually like the birth. I think it's important that women especially talk about this stuff. And I think she thinks that too. And we talked a lot about, you know, what you go in knowing and what you don't know and what you wish you knew and like what you can't even really know until it happens.

22:37And like, you can prepare and prepare and prepare like she did. And she really details, you know, all the training she did. Like she really, this girl loves to be prepared. Like she likes a routine. She likes to have the best trainer. She likes to like, you know, she was doing pelvic floor stuff from the beginning. It's all like she was ready. And even then, like shit happens. And she has not had an easy run of it in terms of medical stuff either. Like she's had really scary medical things. She had a mini stroke like three years ago, which for someone in their early 20s is very alarming and scary.

23:11And I mean, all of these things, I think contributed to her wanting to really share that part of it. I really commend her for that. And I also like that she's open about it. She's not doing the whole like, yeah, I had a baby and the weight fell off and now I look great in a bikini. You know, she's like, she's working. Like, she works hard. She thinks about it. I have to say, like, the delivery story, it was like this incredible monologue. And as an editor, you're thinking like, well, actually, I can't touch any of this because this is like listening to someone. We were sitting at breakfast and it was a monologue.

23:46And I was like, I'm just taking like, I'm not going to interrupt. You know, you're like, give it to me. Like, what happened next? Because you are like, it's really like, and then what? I do feel like people love to tell their birth stories because even if it's the smoothest delivery, it's always. And an ordeal. And I feel like people are thrilled, even the most famous people, to just let people know what they went through. Gigi Hadid was the same way. It's like she wants to talk about every detail of her home birth. Will you just give a little little background for those of us who haven't read the story yet?

24:21I mean, I have, but for others who haven't of what happened to her for the birth. Like, what was it that was sort of a medical complication? Because it was quite dramatic. Basically, she had done all this prep. She was super ready, you know, like feeling physically fit, ready to go. And spontaneous labor did not happen. She began leaking amniotic fluid, which is scary. They had to induce, which they did with Pitocin and a Foley balloon, which sounds medieval, but I'm sure it's very advanced. I mean, she has incredible doctors. But, like, all of this stuff, anything in, like, women's health, you're always a little bit terrified.

25:02And then the baby, it was like, I think it was under 24 hours. They said it would be 24, and I think it was, like, 18. and then after Jack Blues was born, which I think was hard but, you know, normal, she started bleeding and basically didn't stop, which is really scary and happens in like a small percentage of childbirth. And it's terrifying, you know, like they take the baby away from you basically and they're like, we got to stop the bleeding, we're going to try this, we're going to try this. I mean, even in the best case scenario, I think in the medical world, It's very unsettling to be a patient because you sort of, you don't feel like a person anymore.