Bella Hadid Is British Vogue’s Cover Star | PLUS Harris Dickinson’s Directorial Debut at Cannes

0:28This is The Run Through. I'm Chloe Mal. With his film Urchin, he also wrote the film, which he's, you know, it's a one man band. He does it all. What more do you want from Harris? Fun fact, Joma, he actually met Nicole Kidman for the first time, who was his co-star in Baby Girl at the Met Gala. So it's all come back to the Met. He hosted our fashion and film party here after the BAFTAs and he was just delightful and everybody was charmed by him. He's very charming. And his girlfriend is a singer who all the Brits love. Liam's a big fan. So, yeah, they're our little chic Brit power couple. Yeah, they're adorable.

1:07Anyhoo, Choma, tell me how you're feeling about Cannes. Well, I'm feeling, well, we just launched our cover yesterday. Oh, my God. It is so glamorous, Choma. It is like capital F fashion. I didn't really put two and two together that it would also be Cannes and basically Bella Hadid, who always kind of owns the Cannes red carpet. She's sort of the inexplicable queen of Cannes. Oh, she is, isn't she? She always. And I love that she's gone kind of like honey blonde for the occasion. Yes. Bella Goes Blonde was a big news post for us on Monday. Breaking news. Has she been blonde before? She has been blonde before.

1:50But I mean, Christian and I were talking about this yesterday, that we should make a gallery of like all the people who look great at Cannes but have no real reason to be there. And I'm often scratching my head but delighted to – but seated for the fashion and the jewels. Major Chopin rock situation. Major Chopin. I mean, I do love that she kind of made the jewels the main event. She's wearing this gorgeous, very languid, black Saint Laurent dress. I couldn't tell if they were flats. I don't think so. But wouldn't it be cool if she was wearing like flat sandals? A total defiance of the dress code?

2:30Yes. I still hate that they have that dumb dress code. Well, I actually, I want to talk about that because we, everyone here is all, feathers are all ruffled about this dress code. But what I find egregious about it is the fact that it was, the updated dress code was released on Monday, the day before the festival opened. So how are stylists and the whole red carpet dressing industrial complex supposed to react within 24 hours? Surely the voluminous trains had been made, had been custom created. The yards of tool had been clipped in the ateliers. So now because the rules are not just no naked dressing, which was one in the name of, quote unquote, decency, no naked dressing, but also no voluminous skirts and no trains, nothing that can make it difficult to for to impede nothing that could impede the flow of traffic on the red carpet and nothing that can make it difficult for you to sit down in the theater.

3:32but again I mean this is a tricky uh needle to thread haha no pun intended um for for the poor stylists and uh designers who had already have I mean I'm sure they've been working on these looks for months I mean I don't know if you recall last year but there was a lot of minor altercations on the red carpet regarding trains and attendants who maybe were too invasive and trying to move people along. I'm thinking of Kelly Rowland and how that all went down and was was quite I think some people were really upset and their trains were ruffled in the wrong way. I think it was maybe that's a bad joke.

4:12I like it. I like it. Let's lean in. But maybe that was a response to that. Seems very strange to say no trains. No trains is abrupt. But yes, we, Radhika Seth from Your Team Choma is in Cannes and she wrote a piece about the dress code ban. And then Vogue Business interviewed a handful of stylists about how they were dealing with the ban. And frankly, just from nights one and two, it seems that the way people are dealing with it is by not dealing with it at all. I saw a lot of Bella's body and I saw a lot of volume from other individuals. So I think we're fine. I wouldn't consider Bella's dress naked, would you?

4:55Oh, interesting. That wasn't a naked dress to you? You mean because it wasn't sheer? I mean, it's not sheer at all. And it's got quite a high neck. If I see an underbreast, that's giving nudity to me. A side boob. It's side boob. It's barely side boob. All right. Barely. I mean, it probably from the back is quite, you know, seductive. But I wouldn't say it's naked. Naked is like, that's not naked. What's naked, Shoma? Naked is truly transparent. I can see your drawers. Your drawers? What are you, Willa Cather? That's ridiculous. I mean, there are so many dresses that you can basically see right through them.

5:36They're fully transparent. Okay, so it's about a sheerness of fabric, not a revealing nature of the cut. I guess it's both. Okay. I guess if there's nothing of the dress or it's completely sheer and you can see everything. So this Saint Laurent was just a, let's call it a seductive black number. It wasn't a naked dress. I love the way you said that. My body is moving. A seductive black number. Yes. I love that description. Let's go with that. Okay, fine. Well, I love Ken. I feel like it's such a fun. And people really go for it and sort of pull out the stops for glamour. And so I think it's going to be a fun 10 days.

6:19And Choma, I want to hear more about your cover because it felt like a major moment. It was shot by Stephen Mizell, styled by Ibi Kamara, written by Giles. Yeah, it was a really it was a really major moment for us. I mean, I I love a supermodel moment. I obviously grew up on the supers. I remember there were, I think when I was a teenager, there were magazines dedicated to every different supermodel and you could buy them. And it was, it was just that era was just so defining. And I think Bella is one of our, is one of the supermodels of today. And she's just so, you know, it's very cool that she's also going into the movie.

7:03She's, she just has, she's kind of like the model's models because she loves fashion so much too, you know? Yeah. So I think we were all excited to have Bella on the cover. And so yesterday was a really was really fun to have that reveal. And obviously major to have Steven Mizeau shoot Bella. It was Bella really wanted to shoot with Steven. And I'm so glad that it all worked out. And the hair. The hair is big. It's like go big or go home. The higher the hair, the closer to heaven. Thank you. There we go. That's what I was looking for. So, Chama, I don't know if this has sort of trickled across the Atlantic, but there is major Knicks fever in New York City right now.

7:43Oh, yeah. I caught it before I left. I'm officially a Knicks fan now. We're truly talking about it like a disease at this point. But people are extremely activated about the Knicks going to the semifinals. I believe their next game is tomorrow night in Boston against the Celtics. And I do feel like this happens as a New Yorker. I can say I've seen a few of these cycles. Doesn't happen often, though, does it? 15, 20 years, there's like a it's cool to be a Knicks fan again moment. And this definitely feels like it when Timmy Chalamet, born and bred New Yorker, very ardent Knicks fan, arrived at the Knicks game with Kendall and Kylie.

8:23Kendall and Kylie were basically in matching outfits, including Knicks hats. Apparently there's some debate and fury over the fact that the Jenners, who are historically devout Lakers fans, have now jumped ship to being Timmy-adjacent Knicks fans. But, yeah, it's been a really fun front row vibe at these games. My absolute favorite front row pairing was Bad Bunny next to Susie Essman from Curb Your Enthusiasm. Oh, that's a good one. We really want to know what they – we want a lip reader to tell us what they were talking about. Speaking of athletics, Jose did a very funny article this week about protein chic because as I think we've discussed, we have seen huge numbers from our stories we've been publishing about how many grams of protein a day to eat, what meal is the most important to have protein, how to get – like all these protein stories.

9:21And they have been performing so well. And finally, Jose was like, you know what? People are starting to dress like this, too. Plus, White Lotus, the protein shake being an essential plot twist. I mean, the protein shake from hell. Yeah, exactly. And Khloe Kardashian is launching protein-laced popcorn. So anyway, they did a very funny survey of how this very sculpted, toned, weightlifting result body is proliferating across the runway. And people are really designing clothes for this kind of body from Duran Lantink to Colleen Estrada to Balenciaga. and also he connected it, which I thought was interesting, to Ozempic and the GLP-1s because it's kind of, what do you do when you've lost the weight?

10:14It's like, okay, I took these drugs and I lost the weight I wanted to lose. Now what? Okay, now I tone. Now I get muscles. And so it does feel like the next frontier after the GLP-1 revolution. I also, for Mother's Day, Amanda Hess, who's a great sort of cultural critic. She writes a lot about technology for the New York Times. She wrote a book about technology and motherhood and sort of how our phones have become so intrinsically linked to our journey to becoming a mother. And she wrote an article for us about the ubiquity and irritation of the word mama and how you are suddenly marketed and targeted with everyone calling you mama all the time, brands and doctors and strangers.

11:00and I posted that on my Instagram and so many people replied to that and were like, I hate when people call me mama. It's so annoying. And I agreed with that. What else are you thinking about, Choma? Did you have a good return home? Are you rested? Yeah, yeah. I met the Princess of Wales this week. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. Bury the lead. Yesterday was quite a packed day. In the morning, the Princess of Wales presented the Elizabeth II Award to Patrick McDowell. What is that? It's an award that was initially that Queen Elizabeth started and a few years ago during Fashion Week. And each year she would award a designer for their commitment to sustainability.

11:44Okay. So this year, Patrick McDowell won the prize and we all gathered at 180 Strand, which is just up the street from our offices here at the Adelphi. and everybody was completely obsessed with the fact that the princess of wales was there she looked incredible she is so tall and stunning it's quite spellbinding when she walks into the room she was wearing this olive green victoria beckham suit and everybody was just commenting on her hair and how charming she was and she spent so much time with the designers which i thought was very, very cool. You can just tell she's very interested in their process and is clearly getting behind the British fashion industry, which I think is great.

12:30There's also a new, there's a new head of the BFC. Her name's Laura Weir. She used to be at Selfridges. She also actually once upon a time was an editor, worked at Vogue and headed up ES magazine. So there's a lot of change happening here in the fashion industry. So it was a good moment. It was basically Laura with his first day on the job and then in the evening we celebrated Connor Ives who won the fashion fund here who's a wonderful designer he's actually of American origin but lives here in London and for anyone who who hasn't seen his work he's he's known for his upcycling he's done a lot of amazing ruse t-shirts a lot of football jerseys and those kinds of designs that are made from all about upcycling.

13:14And he has his signature on the red carpet are these beautiful silk shawl dresses, embroidered shawl dresses. Ooh. And I think of Connor Ives with the Protect the Dolls t-shirt, right? That's him? Oh, he told us he's raised$800 ,000. That is crazy. Wait, Chomey, can you tell people who don't know a little bit what that is? yeah so connor made this t-shirt i guess uh in support of the trans community in the u.s given everything that's happening there cool and and it went viral i think troy savann wore it at coachella hater akerman was the first to wear it actually hater akerman was the first to wear it connor told me all of the proceeds go to charity and it's just it's just exploded pascal wore it Yeah.

14:03And now I think they're backordered by, I don't know, 9 ,000 orders or something insane like that. But it's wonderful to see that there's been this global effort to support such an amazing cause. And I think Connor feels really excited by being able to do something positive to help. Well, Choma, safe travels to Paris. And I can't wait to hear about your secret mission. The run through will be back with Harris Dickinson. Thank you.

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15:26Harris, we are so excited to have you here. And it's really – this movie has been a real talk of the town in our office and starting with people who saw it again. And then over the past few months, it's been sort of trickling in. So we feel very hashtag blessed to be speaking about it with you today. Marley and I were both excited to find out that – was it Nicole who attributed your first meeting with her to Anna, Winter? Yeah. It was at the Met Gala. So set the scene. That's a very chic meet-cute. Yeah. Was it the, it was two years ago, I think. So, yeah. I didn't really know anyone there yet.

16:04And like, everyone arrives slowly, slowly, as you know. And then there's different arrival times, whatever. And I bumped into Margaret Qualey, who I know a little bit. But I was talking to her. And then I knew that I was doing the film with Nicole. And I saw Nicole sat with Keith over across the way. And I thought, well, I probably should say hello. Because we're about to do something together. you'd never met but you knew you were doing it together we'd never met but I'd been cast and I knew she was doing it and I thought well I could sort of pretend I haven't seen her as I often do as is sometimes easier a little unsee moment just to make things easier but I was nervous so I got Margaret saw me looking and she was like who are you looking at I said well Nicole's over there she said come on I'll take you over because I know her So she walked me over and introduced me and it was fine.

16:57She was lovely. How was Keith? He was lovely, as expected. Yeah, sang a song. He did not, just to correct. So he did not do that. Speaking of Nicole, she also seemed to be quite endeared by your cat. She said that when you guys were first speaking on like a Zoom call, kind of early in the process, she saw your cat like walk across the background of the Zoom and she was like, okay, this guy is going to be perfect for Samuel. Do you know what I'm talking about? If this cat knew that Nicole Kidman knew its name, it would be even more arrogant than it is. What's the cat's name? Misty. I tried to call him Terry, Terrence, Terry for short, Terrence, and my partner didn't want to go with that, so Misty ended up being his name.

17:46But he's very sweet. He's a good lad. He's cultured. Have you ever seen that thing of Willem Dafoe talking? He's like, he loves classical music. He's into ballet. And it's like me talking about my cat. What's his favorite called Tiffany Franchetto? Misty loves Wagner. Misty loves Wagner. He's into the arts. Hugh Dafoe's not bad, I have to say. No, I was doing a Zoom. And whenever I do Zooms, you can't control him. He just potters around in the foreground or the background. assaults me. He's really violent. I've got scars all over my hands from him, but, you know, we come back to them. We love them.

18:31Yeah, no, she's an animal person as well, so I think that was maybe what she meant. She's got dogs and stuff, so. I did think that it's one of the more dramatic first reveals of a character, I think I've seen in a while, was you taming the dog. Are you a dog healer? Pocket full of sausages yeah yeah that that dog was um tricky amazing dog but it it was designed it was trained to like often these dogs in film and tv they're trained to like i guess like safely attack and stuff so that they had so much energy and so it was really hard getting the dog to like just be calm and there's times where i just like was just feeding it sausage after sausage to try and like calm it down but it was a lovely dog and then there was a scene in the street where nicole gets you know the dog jumps onto nicole the dog runs towards her and i just looked over and nicole nicole was just laying on the in the middle of the street in the middle of manhattan and everyone was walking past like what is going on i mean she you know she's on the map but i'm like what are we doing as a job like what is happening she's also talked about how she likes being on the floor Do you like being on the floor?

19:45I don't mind being on the floor. Okay. I don't mind it. Yeah, why not? Do you? Honestly, yes. I'd love to be on the floor of a conference room. What do you like about it? It's, man, well, I do like to recline. I do like to recline. You can't recline on the floor. I do like to just like being asleep. Maybe there's some kind of creative energy. You're grounded, quite literally. Yeah. You know what I mean? No, it's just humbling, isn't it? I want to know what Helena told you about her vision for Samuel because I have to say this morning I listened to your interview with Andrew Garfield, which was very charming but also helpful to hear about your vision for Samuel and not having it fit into different tropes or cliches of what this could have been.

20:29How did – when you first got the call describing who this character was because it came out of her mind, what was the most important thing for her in describing Samuel to you? I think she spoke, if I remember, quite a lot about his struggle with his own identity and masculinity. The idea that there was this young guy coming up against a version of himself that he was still grappling to understand, I think, which is, you know, important in today's climate where like young people, you know, young men, but young people as well. just anyone is so easily strayed, influenced, and potentially controlled by the internet and pop culture and film, whatever.

21:16And there's confusing, there's different narratives and confusing ideals that we come up against. So I think that was something that was very important for him. And also his directness was always in the script, his like honesty with Romy, Nicole's character because you're seeing this character the first part of the film in Romy and Nicole's character that she's a high-powered CEO she's holding it together with a sort of control great control and there's everyone around her is revering her, respecting her and Samuel comes in and he just pokes through it and sees what happens and he watches her, studies her, and then he dares to challenge her.

22:03And once he challenges her, he understands that it's ultimately what, you know, interests her. It turns her on. It kind of makes her tick. And so that was a big part of it. And yet it's not like he's sort of like this swaggering like he-man. Like there is like a politeness to him. There's a kind of halting quality to the way that he's like sort of confident and strident. So like a very interesting sort of line that you're walking between being like, respectful, acknowledging that what he's doing is not quite okay, but then also kind of going for it anyway. Yeah. Was that something that sort of developed just sort of as you were working, that sort of...

22:37Well, I think it was obvious that we couldn't just have this guy that was like uber cool and uber like dominating. It's kind of been done and it's a little uninteresting. It's a little more unrelatable. So a big thing Helena spoke about, which is clear when you watch the film, and I think some of the best parts of it is when you see the awkwardness of what sex and relationships and even just normal interaction can be with like two people fumbling their way through like roles that we play. So I really was interested in that and I think that when you watch it you see those moments of embarrassment that are kind of real, you know, because it is a little embarrassing to do those things.

23:24and we were able to lean into it and laugh and you kind of see this coming in and out of the performative element of that. The father figure scene, like that dance scene, was that on the page? Yeah. And was that choreographed? No. I'm like, the way you're moving. Oh, you thought it looked choreographed? I mean, not no. Big jazz hand number. I should have, now I look back, I should have done a big... Busby Berkeley. Yeah. I was like, there's something going on here. It's not going to move. No, I got sent the song a long time before, and it kind of said in the script, I can't remember what it said, but he moved through the space, and then Romy was sat down, and I thought, God, well, this can't be like a lap dance.

24:13That's really embarrassing. So I thought, this has kind of got to be for himself, but also for her, and I may have had a few drinks for that. seems like that would have come in handy yeah I was speaking about this earlier but more embarrassing because of the crew you spend so long with these people that you see every day and it's like hey how you doing how's your weekend what are you having for dinner normal banal chat and then it's like the boom ops and the grips and it's like all of a sudden you've got your top off and you're like jiving around You catch eye contact with them and you're like, sorry about that.

24:58I do feel like people are talking about this movie as sort of bringing back sexy scenes in a way that we haven't seen for a while because there was sort of a post-MeToo fear of having sexy movies. And people seem thrilled for the return of a quite emotional. I mean, it's not – I thought it was interesting that you said that it's a bit diminutive to call it an erotic thriller. It's both erotic and a thriller, but it's not just that. And it is very emotional and you see such arcs of both characters. But I wonder what it's been like navigating responses from people about this. I thought it was interesting that Nicole said she feels like a sex therapist because people just keep spilling their souls to her in response to seeing the movie.

25:43Is your family seeing this over Christmas? My family saw it. My mom's very open-minded. My mom saw it in London. She loved it. She said she wore a turtleneck in case she needed to color her eyes. Very thoughtful. Yeah, yeah. Bless her. So she loved it, though. She was like, oh, no, absolutely brilliant. She was really fond of it. And same with my sister, yeah. But, you know, people's responses have been interesting. And I think it's been a real range of thought-provoking to filthy, to be honest with you. People are unafraid to say exactly what they think, particularly when they've just seen it.

26:24We've been doing these screenings and 80-year-old women have been saying some very funny stuff to me. Give us an example. I mean, is this like, can I be explicit? No, please. It's not that explicit, but she came out and one of them, she grabbed me and straight away she said, well, I can't wait to get home and use that vibrator. You're liberating women. I said, all right, well, yeah, go and do that. That's good. And then another one said to me, well, honey, I've got no one to sleep with tonight. And she tickled me and I thought, well, there's a room full of people. Go and mingle. The night is young.

27:02The night is young, yeah. Just maybe look elsewhere. Oh, my God. Yeah. Like straight to the source. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if the shoe was on the other foot is all I'll say. No, I mean, it's interesting. It's definitely igniting liberation in people, which is good. At the end of the day, there's a positive conversation being sparked and dialogue around it is positive. So we like it, yeah. You have worked with so many fantastic directors And I wonder if different directors are like different parental figures. You learn different things from each person. Is it harder to become trusting with different people?

27:45Is that process different? I think it changes. I always have a process of figuring out trust with someone. You know, it's normal, isn't it? Like building trust with someone. But with directors, you kind of have to do it and you have to do it quick. Otherwise, your performance suffers, I think. because if you're scared of stuff, if you're worrying about how you're going to be looked after, at the end of the day, you just want to be looked after in the right way and step into safe hands. I've been lucky. All of the people I've been lucky enough to work with, Sean Durkin, Eliza Hittman, Ruben Osland, Joanna Hogg.

28:26I've just been really fortunate. It's always a process and it always takes me a minute. I feel like I'm probably not the easiest person to like, you know, I don't just give it straight away. I just imagine sort of day one of a movie like this, was there any sort of trust exercise to begin with or some sort of way that you got to know each other like you, Nicole and Alina type of thing? And like her being an actor, did that change the dynamic? 100%. Yeah. I'll answer the exercise thing first. we didn't do a lot of that. We had a small, we had that one-day rehearsal, and it was just a very brief period where Nicole, Helena, and I sat down and spoke and looked through all the scenes.

29:08And then we were lucky in the sense that me and Nicole bonded really quickly. We felt very comfortable with each other very soon, so that was like a tick off the list. And then I think we just got into it and we just did it. But Helena, yeah, as an actor, I think it changes what you expect from yourself because she's, even with the crew, she's like showing us what she imagines it to be. And she's like throwing herself around the floor, like, you know, no shame, just showing us exactly what she thinks might be an interesting choreography. And I think everyone kind of got on board with that, with that like full in mentality.

29:47And even the crew were just like, okay, this is someone who we should get behind and like go full speed with. And same with Nicole. Nicole has got this mad like playfulness as a performer. She's so bold with stuff. She's not scared to try stuff. And then you think, oh, I can try stuff as well. What's an example of something that she tried that made you feel like you could be free to do something kooky or goofy? Okay, the rave, for example. the rave she's there like i mean a lot of that was scripted but the rave she's she just threw herself into it and she was like grabbing people and kissing them and stuff i was like well i can't doesn't mean i can do that but you know and there's scenes like for example the cheap motel it's like seven page scenes you know so we're having to navigate between so many different tones and, you know, on the floor and wrestling.