Chloe Is Vogue's Head of Editorial Content! | PLUS Hair Is Full of Secrets With Evanie Frausto

0:02Chloe, congratulations. I have been waiting and saving up my best congratulations voice for this very moment and for our conversations. I can't even I was like I could text her but I know her phone is like a vibrating monster right now I'm sorry I can't even I have some inkling as to what the last 24 hours have been like but like it is a true it's a truly crazy 24 hours but congratulations and it's like your birthday but times 100 it's literally like I opened my Instagram and I saw your your post and I was like oh my god she's probably the phone is just going nuts right now she can't even keep up it must be so bewildering it was i've gotten very nice messages though from everyone from my dry cleaner saying he hopes i'll have more clothes to people from high school saying um that they want to be my emily and want to bring me the book every night i was like what is happening um but uh it's been lovely.

1:06It's been so nice to be at the office with everyone. Jose took a very funny picture of me with my flower shop that has become my office, which is lovely and a delight. Well, I am so honored to be talking to the new head of editorial content and American Vogue, my dear friend and colleague, Chloe Marl. Sorry to give you such a name. It's like a game show presenter. Sorry, I thought I had to give you the official intro. Just in case anyone who's been living under a rock doesn't know what happened yesterday. It's been a very fun but chaotic 48 hours. The news obviously leaked on Sunday. It was at the moment that I brought Lloyd into Central Park for my New York Times photo shoot.

1:56He was unceremoniously cut from the coverage, which will never be forgotten or forgiven. Poor Jill Weisskopf, who joined me while Jill was holding Lloyd. He ate a chicken bone, so we had to pry that out of his mouth during the shoot. I mean, there were some really unglamorous BTS of this process. Oh, my God. I knew there would be some interesting behind the scenes. And I'm not disappointed in any way. Thank you very much, Choma. I'm very excited. It's been a big two days. And off we go. We had our kindergarten orientation picnic for Arthur's New School yesterday afternoon. And yesterday morning when I was like, the news was about to happen, I was like, Artie, don't forget, we have the picnic this afternoon and you're going to meet all your new friends from kindergarten.

2:51And he goes, the picnic? It's today? I was like, yeah. He goes, it's showtime. And I was like, well, there you go. That's both of us. It was a showtime day for both of us.

3:13This is The Run Through. I'm Chloe Mao. And I'm Cho Minardi. And we have an exciting episode today because we have so much to unpack. I don't even know if we're going to fit it in at the time that we have. But we have my lovely colleague, Rieke Dika Seth, who's a British Vogue's film and culture editor. And she is here to chat about everything she's seen at Venice. And we have a lot to unpack because I was also at Venice for a hot second. Brief 48 hours, a very chic 48 hours. And we saw some of the same films. And I think we have... Very different opinions about one film in particular. Yes, this is going to get controversial.

3:51This is going to get really controversial. I like the warning, the controversy warning. But we can get to that later because we'll also be hearing from celebrity hairstylist, the amazing Ebony Frasto, who came and chatted in the studio with Arden Fanning-Andrews, who is Vogue's beauty editor at large, and Kiana Marden, who is Vogue's senior beauty shopping writer about everything and anything behind his work with Sabrina Carpenter. He is kind of known as the wig maestro, I think. He's like the best wig guy in town. So I'm very excited for that convo. And does a lot of Fashion Week work, no? Yeah, I think he's known for, I mean, he did Bella Hadid's many hair transformations, all of her amazing, many of which were obviously wigs, because he works really well with wigs.

4:46And actually, I worked with him on a cover for Florence Pugh. So he's everybody's secret weapon when it comes to hair. Everyone's been talking about Man's Best Friend, Sabrina Carpenter's new album, and her hair looks so fabulous on the cover. And Ebony did that. And it feels like his name is on everyone's lips, especially as we roll into New York Fashion Week and all of Fashion Month where he is very present. But first, Radhika, I'm so excited to talk about Venice. I want to hear everything. Yes, Venice. So Chioma and I were actually both there this year, which is amazing. We were passing speedboats in the night, weren't we?

5:29So I was there for the opening night, which was, it opened with Paolo Serentino's new movie La Grazia, which has three mentions of a Vogue editor in it, actually. It does. Interesting. Yes. And actually, Fran Ragazzi, our lovely Francesca Ragazzi, who is the head of editorial content at Vogue Italy, I texted her and I was like, did you know about this? And she was like, yes, Paolo called me to let me know that there would be a mention of a Vogue editor in the piece. It's actually referencing a real life Vogue story because there was a basically the movie centers on an Italian president. So a lot of the a lot of the narrative is kind of loosely based on some real life events, one of which was a story that they got a big political scoop in Italian Vogue.

6:21So it kind of references that. Choma, I was extremely invested in your outfit that you posted that you were wearing. It was so glamorous. You looked so fabulous. Can you tell me what was happening? I can. I can. I've never gotten so much feedback on a look. It was this beautiful sequin floral with a floral motif dressed by Etra. I wanted to wear an Italian brand given that it was my first time at Venice Film Festival. And I think it was just kind of really me because I love a print. I love some embellishment. I love something a little bit romantic. and it fit just so well. And me and Sam Sussman, who is Vogue's global head of social, took a photo together and I've never gotten so many great comments.

7:11People were blowing up my DMs about that dress. Oh my God, I saw it and gasped. So yeah, so it was a fun one to wear to opening night and it was a good way to kick off. Really, I mean, I have to say, I haven't been to Cannes, but I already prefer Venice. Venice does seem to have a bit more romance. It does. The sea arrival, the way that like, you know, coming in on a speedboat. I would say I think Cannes is the better festival but I think Venice is like the better city and it's like a better time because the food's really good and there is like a romance definitely of like your commute in the morning is like getting a boat 20 minutes across the water that's like very, very glamorous.

7:55So I think I prefer Venice as a city definitely They're both very different. I think the films tend to be like slightly better at Cannes, but they're pretty comparable, I guess, in terms of quality. What did you think of the movies? I have to, we must start, though, with the only other movie I saw, which was Begonia. Yes. Which I did not enjoy. Talk to me, Choma. well i think emma stone and jesse flemonds were amazing and they're incredible actors and i think the premise of the film was interesting and i know it's based on it's a remake of a of a 2003 like south korean right but and so basically this the premise is that this very high-powered CEO is kidnapped by two conspiracy theorists who believe that she's an alien and then all hell breaks loose the the issue I have with this and it was kind of kind of came up in poor things was how much violence there is towards Emma Stone interesting just the amount of torture and I'm just like does the yogist like women because there is so much kind of like torture it was a little bit a kind of really degrading stuff in poor things there was a lot of great stuff in poor things but this is like you're literally watching her being at one point she's electrocuted that scene is really disturbing that scene i literally was like okay like i'm gonna get out and leave i can't do this did you leave i just was like i had to look down and i was sitting next to my colleague sam and we were both like holding on to each other being like I can't handle this anymore it's a fantastically acted I think it's a really I'm sure it'll push a lot of people's buttons it pushed mine um I mean a lot of people are saying it's like fantastic and I think maybe you're one of those people I I enjoyed it I think it's like I think he has a very like I hear what you're saying to him I think he has a very like cruel and quite messed up like sense of humor and I did I found too dark it was really really dark and I think it's the kind of humor that really works for me, but I hear that it doesn't work for a lot of people.

10:12Like, I love poor things. I liked kinds of kindness, like, less, but I think this is more like a kinds of kindness kind of space. I'm not sure if you saw that one, Chima, but I wouldn't recommend it to you. No, I liked the lobster. Yes, yes. Did he do the favorite? Am I right? Yeah, yeah, he did. I liked, but then he just lost me. After that, I was just like, hmm. Yeah, I think he had a phase of making more, like, Hollywood-adjacent things, and this is back to his, like, weird stuff. Okay, maybe this is back to you. Yeah. I mean, I think it is. I think you're right in that it's like quite a quiet taste.

10:40It wasn't my favorite film in the festival. I'm a big like Yorgos stan. So I was going in like expecting to love it. I did really enjoy it. It's got some really wild twists. The ending, we won't spoil. The ending really was like, I was just like, then everything is pointless. Like, forget it. Like, I'm just like, okay. Anyway. Yeah, it's one to think about, I would say. So yeah, I think it wasn't my favorite, but I did like it. but I also hear the mixed reception around it. I understand. We need more about the movies. Tell us more about movies. I actually saw my favorite film of the festival just earlier today, which is really great timing to talk to you guys about it.

11:18And also, I think this festival, I've beat my personal festival record of number of films. Oh, my God. Tell us. What is your record? So I'm on 22 right now. Oh, my God. How many is that a day? Oh, my God. My first two days, I saw six on both days, or maybe was it five or six on the first two days. Radhika, that's insane. But the thing I saw today that was amazing is kind of worth telling you guys about. It's this film called The Voice of Hind Rajab. And it's quite a serious film. It's basically by this Tunisian director called Kautha Benhania. She made this film called Four Daughters a couple of years ago, which I loved, which was amazing.

11:53And this film is based on a true story of a little girl. She's six years old, who was caught in a car in Gaza and the car was under fire, basically. And it's really an interesting film because it uses recordings of her actual voice from emergency calls that were made in the film with the permission of her mother and her family. And then has actors kind of recreate, has actors play characters in this emergency center that are receiving the call. So it's just set in this one center. It's an hour and a half. Unlike a lot of films at Venice, which are incredibly long, it's a very short film. And it was just so, so powerful.

12:32It's the best thing I've seen so far. And I just saw it this morning. And it's kind of my pick for what will win, hopefully. I think it's so, so good. Fingers crossed. It sounds really powerful. It's really brilliant. But I also wanted to mention Frankenstein as well, which was kind of, I think, my second favorite at the moment. Oh, interesting. Because we talked about Jacob Elordi and his fashion. He is so good in this film. I bet. Wow, we'd love to hear it. He's a real force to be reckoned with, isn't he? He is. And it's sort of like, I think when I heard like Jacob Elordi's playing Frankenstein's monster, you think sure like he's so beautiful and he's very tall and that's like correct for it but he's so so gorgeous I was like okay let's see but it's such a moving like heartbreaking performance I was crying um like I know and you know how rarely I cry I mean you just for the record I have sat next to Rijuki in a in a movie theater and sobbed my eyes out and she was just like stone face for this I wasn't I was like bawling like halfway in there was a point where it broke me halfway in Frankenstein and then for the rest of the film I just couldn't handle it at all but it's like it's very like campy and silly in the way that like Guillermo del Toro's films like kind of always are but it just got something in me and I was just like wow this is really really amazing so I was really blown over by that one there's so much good stuff there's another film that actually really surprised me that I feel like I should mention it's the new Gus Van Sant film I don't know if you guys like Gus Van Sant, but he's like one of my faves.

14:00Oh, I haven't thought about him in a while. I know. He's been a bit more under the radar, I think. This film is called Dead Man's Wire, and it's sort of like a 70s set, like kind of crime, kind of comedy. It's kind of a thriller. And it's got Dacre Montgomery and Bill Skarsgård. It's a really lovely performance from Coleman Domingo as well. Oh, we love Coleman. We love Coleman. Friend of the pod. This film opens with him as a radio host and his like silky voice. And I was like, Oh, he's so charming. A voice and face for radio. Any film that opens with that, I was like, you've got me. You don't need anything else after this.

14:37I'm in, I'm in. Choma, I need to hear your best dress from the festival. Oh my God, let me pull up my list. One moment. Un momento, por favor. This was a really special red carpet for many reasons because so many brands were sort of revealing or hinting at new ideas of what was going, what's to come, right? It was one of the few places where you saw, you saw new Versace. You saw, yeah, you saw Daria Vitale's new Versace, which I kind of really liked on Amanda Seyfried and even, and Julia Roberts, who seemed to wear. I did too. I was into that stunt. Same, like very into that stunt, right? It was really, really cool.

15:14The way it happened as well is so good. She just commented on like her stylist Instagram, right? And was like, I'd like this, please. And then was sent it. Like, it's just so, so funny. It was, it was so fab. I really loved it. And I'd like one too, please. Can I get one too, please? Very into that. I thought there was a lot of New Dior. I thought Mia Goff looked great in New Dior. I thought Greta Lee looked great in New Dior. And I always loved Chloe Sevigny. She wore this one look with lace biker shorts. There was Saint Laurent. I thought that was so good. I mean, I could go on and on and on, but I'm not going to hog the space because I want to hear what you guys thought.

15:52because those were just a few of my faves. And Emma Stone in the first look, which was LV, which was kind of this long silver dress that was gathered in the middle with a little poof. It was very cute. I thought that Kaya Gerber and Givenchy with Louis Pullman were just really doing Hollywood glamour festival looks right. I love a red carpet couple. Especially when two of her exes are also on the red carpet killing it. She better come correct. She's got Austin and Jacob Alordino. Yes. Oh, you're right. Yeah, I was like, okay, girl. She was like, we are not missing. She was like, we are going to be locked up.

16:31Choma is keeping track. I was like, Austin is somewhere weeping, and so is Jacob. I also thought Chloe Sevigny looked fantastic at each moment. Was it Saint Laurent, the sort of poof, skirted, lace one? Yeah, it was so good. she just I like when people look like they're having fun getting dressed up like that's what it should be she always does doesn't she she that is actually like you're right that is actually the essence of Chloe she just looks like she had a ball picking it out she loves wearing it I also loved the Margiela debut for Cate Blanchett I thought she looked fantastic oh it was this great sort of distressed bird feather fringed skirt.

17:18Wow. And she looked fabulous. And I liked the Jonathan Anderson Dior new look suit on Greta Lee. I thought the proportions were good. I thought the hair was good. It felt like a fresh version of what we had always associated with classic Dior. As someone who loves film merch, Can I also shout out Judy Roberts' Luca Guadagnino cardigan? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yes, it's true. She loves the airport style. Yeah, that was a good. She also does love a gag, yeah. I thought Luca Guadagnino looked good in Dior with the floral suit and the jeans. He looked very cool. I really like Jacob Elordi sticking to his Bottega guns.

18:03I loved the intracciato brogue sort of dress shoes he wore on the red carpet. I thought that was a great, subtle Bottega moment. Oh, yeah. Bottega was another debut. And Vicky Cripps in the leather shorts was very cute Bottega, too. Yes, very cute. Thank you, Radhika. We love hearing from you about all things Venice as ever. Thank you so much for having me again. See you soon. Bye. The run-through will be back with Ebony Frausto.

18:49Hi, I'm Rebecca Ford, senior awards correspondent at Vanity Fair and co-host of Little Gold Men. Oscar season is upon us. Little Gold Men takes you behind the scenes of the race for the biggest prize in Hollywood. There's a hundred wrestlers in the room, but only one can be Oscar nominated. Whether you're a movie lover or an industry buff, Little Gold Men from Vanity Fair has everything you need to know about this year's Oscar race. Follow and listen to Little Gold Men wherever you get your podcasts.

19:25We're all so excited to be in the run-through studio today. I'm Arden Fanning-Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. I'm Kiana Martin, Vogue's senior beauty shopping writer. And we're here with the pop hair queen, king, everything cool, Evany Frausto. Evany, will you introduce yourself? Hi, I'm hairstylist Evany Frausto. We're so happy to have you here. Thanks for having me. We're so pumped. We've been waiting for this moment because I feel like you and I met for the first time backstage at Colleen Estrada. like seasons ago when you were doing dressage inspired wigs and like braiding them by hand.

20:03Yes. And then you were kind enough whenever Choma had this great idea to do a Barbie transformation. Yes. You showed up and created a whole wig for me and made the shoot. Like it was an incredible time. And it also taught me a lot about your work and about just like wigs in general, which are so part of culture. I'll run into you backstage and you'll be wearing like a cool Slipknot shirt at like Sandy Lane or something. That's very me. Wigs and Slipknot. I just feel like you're like the cool hey. Yeah, exactly. Wigs and Slipknot. And, you know, we want to hear about a typical week in your life because you're working with a lot of cool clients right now.

20:47Wow, yeah. I mean, it's crazy because so much happens in a week. So literally, even thinking back to this week, my brain stops and I'm like, wait, what did I do? But for example, I literally just flew back from London and then I leave to LA tomorrow. And it's just always different. What were you doing in London? Yeah, right now, well, I am working with Sabrina right now. Yes. My queen. I love her. We are so sweet. And her new album, Man's Best Friend, is coming out soon. And you did the hair for the album, are we right? I did, yes. I did the hair for the album. And we've been doing like cute like promo parties with her and her fans.

21:27Fun. And doing, glamming her up for that. So that's where I've been. Okay. That's what you've been up to. Yeah. With our pop star seeing Sabrina. Yeah, exactly. I feel like truly we're obsessed with Sabrina's hair. Like I feel like she's really truly known for her hair. Like you've obviously been instrumental in crafting that. Like how do you create pop star hair? How do you come up with it? Thank you. I mean, first of all, I feel like there's literally, like, not more of a harder working person than a pop star. Pop stars work so hard. And they work all the time. And with an artist, particularly Sabrina, everything is very, like, thought out, you know?

22:04So it always starts with, like, a lot of references. And then it just—she works a lot with her sister. And so they come together. Yeah, with, like, ideas. and then I kind of take their ideas and kind of run it through my hands, basically. Well, first my brain, then my hands. And then we kind of, like, create Sabrina Carpenter's hair. You know what I mean? So it's like taking the inspiration and then, like, tying it in with her. Because with hair, it's like you can't necessarily do the exact same thing because there's so much to think about. We got to, like, find out what works for her, for her features, for her texture.

22:40And so it really then becomes like a very unique hairstyle that is then Sabrina Carpenter. Totally. And do you remember any of the references that she and her sister were bringing your way for this album cover? Because it feels very old Hollywood in a lot of ways. Right. This album is coming like quickly after Short and Sweet, right? And so I feel like for Short and Sweet, we really kind of developed a kind of feeling, you know, which is a bit like vintage-y. I feel like there was a lot of Bridget inspo, especially with the bangs. A lot of Claudia Schiffer, a bit of a 90s touch. But for this new album, I feel like it's really taking Sabrina and then kind of evolving it.

23:26And like the evolution of her as well with like the evolution of the music and like just the next thing. But I really truly feel like we've created this like signature world. Ever since I started working with her, like she is the muse, you know? So when I do her hair, it's like I just think of her and how to evolve it. I love that we're seeing her and her look evolve together. That's honestly really cool. What can you tell us about her signature look that might surprise people? She does her own bangs. No way. Honestly. I like this. It's insane. Because it's like... What's the trick? Exactly. I mean it.

24:02The thing about hair is everyone has hair. We've all been doing our hair since kids. Yeah. It is a collaboration. I do do them sometimes, but like she can really work her bang out and make it look perfect. Sometimes I'm like, babe, take the brush. It's yours. You handle it. She's everything. She's a hairstylist. She's a makeup artist. She's a pop star. Like she can honestly do it all. Right. And she's been working. She's been working. And she really knows what looks good on herself. The thing is like with me, with my clients, it's like I never have this ego of like I got to do it. You know what I mean?

24:33It's like I trust my clients. It's like you know you and you know what's best. And so it's like, let me like take a step back and also learn how you do it, you know? I know that you've done this for my Barbie wig. But like, are you handling the cut, the style and the color for your clients too? For some of them, yes. I did some projects with Lady Gaga. I did Die With a Smile. It's a casual. Yeah. You know, Mother Monster. So with her, you know, it's like a full on character development. so it is a wig the cut the color the style all of it and I love that you're saying this because it's like that's what that's what we want to be asking is what is a wig but we're being polite because you've got to tell us like I can't assume I can't assume but like it's a very precarious thing wigs are part of culture in a way that like people are talking about them more openly than in our lifetime so far you know and so it's like I'm curious about that it's like whenever it's a wig you get to sit with it it spends the night with you.

25:37You're working on it in an hour you feel like. You get to see it like there. Right, like it's not just like. It's kind of incredible, honestly. Like being able to take all these hours to really perfect it is like major, you know. How many hours would you say you spend on the wig? I mean, it really depends. I mean, for example, with Dye With A Smile for that hair moment, I was on a call with Gaga and we talked about all these kind of references and there really wasn't one kind of image. She kind of just gave me a breakdown of what she wanted it to kind of evoke. She played the song for me, which I feel like is really important with working with, you know, musicians.

26:13And then I went to my studio and then we literally, I mean, I'm also such an anxious freak when it comes to my work. So it's like, if you ask for one thing, I'm going to bring you like 20, you know what I mean? You're going to have options. Yeah, exactly. And with a lot of clients like that, it's very important to do a hair test, hair and makeup test. So, went to her house and set up this room and she came in and she was like, whoa, like, look at this hair room because we literally had, like, just all within that same kind of look that we ended up with but a black one, a blonder one, like, slightly curlier, less curly.

26:51That is really amazing. Wait, so what do you do with these wigs after? Do you just have, like, a studio full of, like, wigs? Oh, yeah. What's in there? Tell us about the studio. What's the best wig in there? Okay, so like to get into like specifics, I use mainly human hair. Which is amazing because the quality is best. Exactly. And like you get to do so many different things with them. But also you can like break them down, if that makes sense. Okay. So like I can make this huge kind of sculptural thing and then the ones that aren't chosen, I'm able to like break it down and brush it out and like repurpose it.

27:24Yeah. With synthetic, it's kind of like one and done, you know, because you can only use so much heat and you can only like work it so much. So, I mean, my studio, I try to keep it as clean as possible. But every drawer, it's giving like, okay, when you walk in, it's clean. You know what I mean? But if you open a drawer, it's like 10 pack of extensions and like three wigs. And then another drawer and it's falling, like wigs falling on you. What's the most extreme wig that you have stored in your studio right now? Oh, my gosh. The most extreme one I have stored in my studio right now? I think it's mainly the wigs that I use maybe for, like, my personal projects, you know?

28:07Because having a studio, which is so fun, is, like, being able to just create for the sake of creating and doing fun things. So I have, like, a wig that has candles on it and, like, melted wax. I have, like, really long wigs that are, like, fully beaded. There's really fun stuff. I think we need like a wig exhibition or something. I know. I wish we'd asked you to break this out. But we can do a tour sometime. Okay, I would love nothing more. I'll be inviting myself over.

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29:04What really strikes me about, I think, your work in particular, you have such an amazing, like, breath of talent. Like, you can do, like, basically every look possible. And it's all going to be cool, as Arden said. How do you come up with fresh ideas for people, working with so many amazing people with such, like, an amazing point of view? It really helps to work with people that just like truly inspire me. You know what I mean? I think that that's just really it. And I work with really true artists. They will have decks of inspo. They kind of like transcend me into a world that I can then like pull inspo from and then create, you know, something that will be tailored to them.