Jessie Buckley on Awards Speeches, Red Carpet Dressing, and Traitors | PLUS Backstage at Rick Owens and Isabel Marant

13:28Marley Marius:I mean, star in the making. That struck me as like one of those like wonderfully spontaneous moments that can happen at a show like that.

13:36Taylor Antrim:Oh, I mean, Tiana, I found like maybe a few people I've really got to know in this. Tiana's been one, one me has also been one. And I love those women. I thought Teyana was extraordinary in one battle after another and seeing her kind of just uncompromising mind and strength and sass. And just she's like effervescent Teyana. And so it's always so gorgeous to see her and just be like, I see you, woman. Like, I love all of what you are and what you're expressing. And then to see her bring her daughter and her daughter have that confidence and expression, I was like, I'm getting out of this job. I don't need to do this.

14:25Taylor Antrim:The next generation's already coming up behind me. That's amazing.

14:29Jessie Buckley:I mean, not to keep going on about Deanna Taylor, but she also has such a firm belief in herself and her own skills. Like, is not, like, shying away about being like, I want to do all the things. Like, I want to direct. I want to act. I'm here.

14:41Taylor Antrim:everyone like prepare like why not it's amazing i mean like i think for every artist like the thing the word that i keep like having at the back of my mind at the moment and i think because of bride and with maggie the word what if dot dot dot like what if you just like push the sandpit a little bit more out you know what if you if you do it all like tiana and and i will say you know i'm sure I know that strength isn't just about being completely sure of yourself all the time, you know. I think real strength comes from real vulnerability and stepping into unknowns all the time. And the people I most admire really choose to live from that place.

15:33Marley Marius:Speaking of the bride.

15:34Jessie Buckley:I was going to say, speaking of the bride, we both saw it, dazzled by it. amazing stuff very different tonally and lots of ways from hamnet i know that yeah i mean you know just to say all this and that's fine i don't know what film you saw but i thought they were pretty similar um but you did that before hamnet right i did yes what how much time did you have between like what was that sort of transition from one project to the next like uh i had two weeks

16:04Taylor Antrim:Goodness.

16:05Jessie Buckley:I think that's always what it is.

16:07Taylor Antrim:I arrived into Hamnet rehearsals with bleached eyebrows, bleached armpit hair, everything. They were having meetings about my eyebrows, wondering if they were going to like return. Because, you know, the woman of the woods doesn't have bleach on her hands quite yet. Which I got quite a kick out of the idea that they were all having meetings about my bleached eyebrows. I was like, I don't know. They're either going to come back or they're not. And they did.

16:34Jessie Buckley:Well, thank goodness. But yeah, when you are kind of doing that gear shift, like what does that sort of require? What do you kind of need to, you know, shed one thing and put on the next thing? Well, actually with that, it wasn't so much as shedding.

16:50Taylor Antrim:It was like I had the instinct coming into Hamlet of like this, where I am, you know, at the end of Bride, my heart was like cracked wide open. I had been so physically embodied. My mind was like a laser beam. I was playing in a very, very new language of cinema and also a language of a woman, you know, that was kind of coming into their own and an autonomy of her own. Which actually, when I came into rehearsals for Hamnet with Chloe, I was like, Chloe, this is the entry point, like where I am now. there's no point kind of I was so vibrating after Hamnet and actually I guess the transition was to take all that kind of electricity and simmer it down into the ground and like rooted into a woman like Agnes who is embodied who is like has absolutely got a language onto her own and is a lover you know and bride is about love it's about like our capacity to love really love not just like the idea of it or the idea of marriage but like how much of me can you actually take and then to have all of that on my fingertips into the role of a mother which was something that I was definitely curious about and personally something I really wanted in my life and to kind of have an alchemy of that strength and embodiment of the bride meet the mother and it'd be tenderized.

18:27Taylor Antrim:It was a gift. That's powerful. It was a real gift. It's productive, actually. It is. I highly recommend. One buzzer. There you go, guys.

18:38Marley Marius:When I saw The Bride, I thought this to me is very much like a familiar, it was a new kind of movie for you and a new part, but it struck all these notes that I'm familiar with from your other roles. It seemed about disobedience and mischief making, and that reminded me of Wicked Little Letters or Beast, which is one of my favorite movies that you've done. So it seemed like maybe in a different register, like really turned up to 11 kind of stuff, but in kind of a, you know, a bit of a line with some of the other roles you've done. Did you think about other parts you've had or does that make sense to you?

19:15Taylor Antrim:It does make sense. I don't think I think about them when I'm going into a role, But I'm not an actress who ever wants to let go any of the education that these incredible women have given me. You know, they have categorically changed who I am and have really unraveled an education that doesn't serve me for me to kind of step into my womanhood and get to know myself. I think what probably was like where Bride met me and where Hamnet met me was like all that disobedience, the rebellion, the, you know, even with women talking, the kind of questioning of ideology of what our landscape is.

20:08Marley Marius:Kind of defiance, yeah. And I guess in a conversation about womanhood, I think what Bride brought me to and what Hamnet brought me to is like all of what it is to be a woman can't

20:24Taylor Antrim:exist on its own. I love my men. I want a relationship with everything, you know. I don't want to be on my own. I want a relationship with Frank. I want a relationship with the world. I want a relationship with my mind. And I think part of the journey of rebellion to find some autonomy in myself in order to really challenge the relationships that I meet in my life and for it to kind of the capacity of it to grow and grow and grow. You know, that's kind of where I am now. And that's where it's led me to become a mother. It's like not just an idea of a woman, but like the totality of it. Right.

21:05Marley Marius:I know we need other people. I mean, that's what makes us sort of whole. But I was also curious what a Maggie Gyllenhaal set is like. This is your second film with her. And what was the sort of, what was the energy like on the set of The Bride? And what kind of sort of leader and director is she on the day-to-day when you're shooting a film?

21:27Taylor Antrim:Well, by the time we got to set, you know, by the time we did our first ever kind of camera test and even our first day of shooting, I had been in New York prepping I mean I prepped for a year for Bride because it was such a huge undertaking you know to really create three individual personalities metabolise them, have them be in conversation with myself, learn how to tap dance, learn gaga dancing find a body for Mary Shelley, a body for Iden and a body for the Bride and then you know I want to work in a way where once I get to set I'm taking my hands off the wheel and the most important thing is the person that's standing in front of me.

22:04Taylor Antrim:And that person happens to be Christian Bale. He's also, you know, he's not going to just kind of swim around the edges of it. He's also working like that. So when we got to set, the kind of charge of all that was super kinetic. Like really, you could feel the edges was so alive. But Maggie has a real vision and there's so much intention behind what she's trying to say with her stories and why she's choosing to tell a story at all. and I think she wants to ask the uncomfortable question you know I think what she asks all of her actors and herself is to grow step you know ask a question that's going to challenge you the need to tell these stories with each other and also the care that we have for each other that we can you know look our monster in the eye and shake hands with it that's very powerful and she is one of the most important women in my life.

23:06Taylor Antrim:Oh, wow.

23:07Jessie Buckley:I mean, a set piece that I especially sort of enjoyed is when Ida and Frankenstein's monster, they've kind of, I guess they're running away from the cops. I feel like they're running from having gone to that movie and then everyone sort of recognizing them as monsters and then they run into a party and there's like choreography happening, there's putting on the ritz happening, they're making eyes at each other. At one point, a chandelier falls and I was like, I was like so done by what I was seeing anyway. But I was curious about filming a moment like that. I think of you as being quite a physical actor anyway.

23:41Jessie Buckley:But like you talked about like having to learn choreo. How are you learning choreo? Do you enjoy doing that kind of work as well? And, you know, in your process.

23:49Taylor Antrim:Oh, I love being physical. And it's actually quite a rare opportunity to get to be as physical as I was in The Bride. and something that moving forward in my work, I want everything to be singing together. Like I can't just like work from my head, you know. When I started, I mean, I mean, Christian's actually really annoying. Can I just go on? So you're a good dancer already. That's crazy. I had to like literally tap dance. I was like so bad at tap dancing at the beginning. And, you know, I would wake up at seven. I'd like go and go into studio, like do the simplest steps for about an hour, just to try and get it.

24:28Taylor Antrim:And then he came maybe three weeks before and we met to do a dance set. And he was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh my God. He would not say this. You know, he notoriously puts himself down all the time. But Christian Bale raises the bar in every capacity and he's so fantastic in the film.

24:49Marley Marius:It's a cool moment. It's one of those moments where you're watching the movie and it seems to like, you realize you're watching something that's taking a really big swing. The movie is defying your expectations. in kind of exciting ways.

24:58Taylor Antrim:It's the beginning of the revolution, you know? The establishment, the little hoity-toity people are getting kind of, they're getting infected by the disobedience. They're getting infected by the revolution. They're literally having a kind of exorcism of their establishment. Totally, yeah. And being completely wild. And from that moment off, there's like, it's, you know, the match is lit. Yeah. No, it's fab.

25:23Marley Marius:The Run-Through will be back with Jessie Buckley after the break.

25:31Jessie Buckley:Sometimes people ask me which search terms I use whenever I'm on eBay. So I search a lot of deadstock. That's a term that I throw in there a lot. Deadstock means that no one's ever worn it before, but it is like an archival piece or it's a vintage piece. And so that's a great thing to find on eBay. There's a ton of deadstock vintage. And it's just kind of like comforting to know that like you're the first person taking this like piece on its maiden voyage, even if it's 50 years old. eBay offers this departure from the everyday that ends up feeling totally you.

26:11Marley Marius:I really enjoyed seeing the Margella look at the premiere out in the wild, because I remember when that show happened and the whole office was sort of galvanized. It was like a big news moment where we all had to like spring into action, you know, to like cover it properly. But I read, I think in the British Vogue piece about you getting ready for that premiere, the premiere of The Bride, is that you sent that idea to Danielle Goldberg, your stylist. And it made me wonder, because I remember I listened to the podcast you did a few years ago here, and you talked about how you were kind of getting into fashion.

26:45Marley Marius:But I wondered if now you're someone who like follows all the shows, watches, you know, reads the coverage. You're a proper fashion girl now. How red in on fashion have you become? Yeah.

26:55Taylor Antrim:Well, that show happened right in kind of prep for the bride. And I remember even designing the makeup and looking at Pat McGrath's incredible, like, that white skin, which became a kind of huge reference for us to kind of make her skin bleach. Like the reinvigoration had bleached her eyebrows, bleached her eyelashes. And I think John Galliano is like a complete genius. I mean, I've fawned over his 90s collection. so many times and gone, you know, I think he's like one of a kind. I mean, that show for me feels like misfits, you know, these beautiful odd misfits that are otherworldly and transcendent and kind of like a whisper that just wakes you off.

27:43Taylor Antrim:And I don't know if I'm a fashion girl. I really feel like I'm on a kind of journey of it, you know. I think I've had many moments of clothes being a tool to express where I am in my life in ways that I probably don't even know. Like when I moved to London first and the possibility of kind of redefining yourself. And I remember I'd go to like a market and buy like a bowler hat and like Doc Mart, which is like I'd grown up around tracksuits and O 'Neill's growing when I was at home. Or when I used to sing as a jazz singer, like finding images of jazz singers. And then I've had moments where I probably have been intimidated by fashion and have been in some way rebellious against it and wanted to be a punk.

28:48Taylor Antrim:And now, you know, and I think with since I've met Danielle, because hold on, fashion is kind of intimidating. Oh, no kidding. But with Danielle, since I've met her, it's been such an interesting moment having to come into this awards season as a new mom. My body being very, you know, changing from breastfeeding, stopping breastfeeding and finding a way to not hide in clothes, but actually let myself be seen. and in a way she stripped back any kind of identity or idea that I might have like hidden a little bit of myself in. And right at the beginning she was like, I just want to see you. I don't know if I have seen you.

29:32Taylor Antrim:Like I want to just, you know, she put me in a role look for the Governor's Awards and it was like, I felt like I would like breathe for the first time. So yeah, I think fashion is emotional for me. You know, I think shows, I really admire people's artistry. Sometimes I'm intimidated by it. But I think for me, in this moment of my life, I'm like, I really want to feel alive and like I can be just myself in it and expressive in it.

30:05Marley Marius:One of the things that I'm like so caught up in about you through these war seasons is that you're a no notes acceptance speech giver.

30:13Jessie Buckley:And yet they're amazing.

30:14Marley Marius:Right. So just talk me through that. Why do you not bring no notes up? You don't have it. You're not pulling something out.

30:19Jessie Buckley:Off the dome.

30:20Marley Marius:It's crazy. It doesn't seem particularly rehearsed. So tell me if I'm right. Like, do you prepare in your mind? Do you have anything set in your head? Or are you just going up and trusting that you can speak fluently? And, you know.

30:35Taylor Antrim:Well, you hope you can speak fluently. That's like some, you know. I do think about what I'm going to say. because I feel like, you know, I'm speaking on behalf of something with this film. I'm speaking on behalf of women. I'm speaking on behalf of motherhood and what this role has, how it's changed me and also the community that I feel so grateful to be in. I don't take it for granted. So I do think about it and I do like write things down and I just hope to God that it comes out in some succinct form. And sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

31:25Marley Marius:I mean, it seems to always, it always does as far as I can tell.

31:29Taylor Antrim:I tell you, it's like kind of scary.

31:32Marley Marius:I would imagine. I don't doubt that.

31:34Taylor Antrim:Yeah, it's kind of, it's not like a natural place for anybody. Right, right. To kind of, what's hard is to receive that, you know, and at the end of the day, it's about you, but it's also bigger than you, you know. Being completely honest, I really kicked myself up the arse after the BAFTAs. Why? Because I got lost. And then I think what really shook me was, was Cillian Murphy giving me this moment, sharing this moment with me and being the first Irish woman to win Best Actress. to receive it from Cillian Murphy and be in this room of artists who, I can't tell you, like, I keep bloody seeing Paul Thomas Anderson.

32:19Taylor Antrim:Like, I can't see anything up there. And then it's like, Paul, Paul. Like, he's like a big red button. And I'm like, oh my God. Can somebody, you know, where's my husband? Like, where, can somebody help me? At the end of the day, I'm like only human. And these moments are really overwhelming sometimes. And you're trying to like take in the moment, which is a lot, and also find the moment. And it can be all the things. Let's just like where it is is where it is.

32:52Marley Marius:Oh, I loved that speech. I thought it was great. It was so human. It's just you actually felt like we were watching you experience the moment in real time, you know? And the Cillian Murphy of it all actually did seem to have like an impact. And I thought to myself, who are tighter? Is it the Irish actors or the Australian actors? It's like, which group? Which clique? Yeah, exactly. Pick your finder. I mean, think maybe the Irish are.

33:17Taylor Antrim:Well, I don't want to get competitive about that. Oh, my gosh. You've worked with so many amazing directors, though.

33:25Marley Marius:Really, I was going down the line. It's really an incredible list of people. But I wondered if there were any other directors you're really dying to work with. We'll set the joking about Paul aside for a moment. or maybe a genre that you haven't tried that you would really like to plunge into. What are you really craving to stretch yourself next?

33:46Taylor Antrim:I don't really know anything about genre. I don't really kind of choose things like that. I mean there's so many filmmakers I'd love to work with. I'd love to work with Pavel Pavlovsky. I'd love to work with Jane Campion. I would be our call. She's been a bit quiet recently. I guess that's how she works, right? Literally, yeah. She's doing the thing. She's doing the thing. Leos Carax, this French filmmaker who I really love. And also new filmmakers, you know. I'm working with Alicia Rourke next who I am so, I love.

34:26Marley Marius:We're fans, yeah.

34:27Taylor Antrim:Very much. So I'm very excited to work with her next.

34:31Jessie Buckley:Yeah. Can you tell us anything about like that project? it's a great cast I feel like reading like Saoirse Ronan Josh O 'Connor Dakota Johnson I've like me reading that list off I was like oh this is gonna be something this is very exciting

34:45Marley Marius:how many movies can Josh O 'Connor make that's the other question I have I'm like keep on coming keep on coming

34:50Jessie Buckley:like there's an audience but I'm the audience I actually have

34:56Taylor Antrim:no idea if I can tell you anything or not I haven't even looked at the memo on that one so it's probably better if I don't. Sure, stick a pin in that. But I know it's based, it's been based off this amazing kind of graphic novel called Three Ancestors Sisters. Which, if you haven't seen it, it's such a beautiful book. I've never like gotten something like that in script form where you're like, oh, how do you make this? Yeah. That's very exciting.

35:24Marley Marius:Did you see the Lynn Ramsey film Die My Love with Jennifer Lawrence? I did. What did you think?

35:31Taylor Antrim:I adore Lynn.

35:33Marley Marius:Yeah.

35:33Taylor Antrim:I think she's incredible. I remember seeing Morvan Caller and when I was first starting out and just like, I think she's an extraordinary artist. And I thought it was like, you know, Jennifer was incredible and Robert was incredible. And I like, like things that are kind of challenging, you know, it wasn't a palatable like film, like it was hard, but I was like, Yeah. Like, that's definitely somebody's story. And there's room for that here. And all of those people are really incredible artists.

36:14Marley Marius:It really unsettled me. So did the If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You movie. Yeah, yeah. I love that too. And those are two movies that I just thought, you know, if they leave me a little unsettled, that's sort of what I look for.

36:24Taylor Antrim:I'll tell you what movie I loved was Bradley Cooper's film. Did you see it? Oh, I loved it too. Oh, you're talking to the two fans. Oh, my God. I thought it was so good. It was so good.

36:35Marley Marius:Robbed is this thing on, which was just fantastic. And I just thought Will Arnett turned in one of the best performances of the year. He's amazing.

36:41Taylor Antrim:He was so good in it. And I really, I really love that film.

36:46Marley Marius:Robbed, I'd like to say right here that I mean it was Robbed at a war season.

36:50Taylor Antrim:I know.

36:50Jessie Buckley:I thought it was going to get in at the SAGs. And I said that. I was like, Bradley's going to get in. Like, Lord Earn's going to get in.

36:55Taylor Antrim:I kind of also love that he just went and made it. And it was just, it reminded me of like a Cassavetes kind of. He is such an incredible script writer. Like his script, you know, the story on paper, I was like, oh, this is just going to be like cheesy. But it was. Midlife Crisis movie, yeah. Yeah, but the script was fantastic. The performances were so good. Christine Ebersole, everyone in it is. I absolutely loved it.

37:24Jessie Buckley:Yeah.

37:24Marley Marius:Yeah, I thought that was great.

37:25Jessie Buckley:But of course, you're, you know, quite an accomplished theater actor as well. And you, I mean, I will say that like I would, one of the more kind of worthwhile sort of pandemic projects I remember watching was like your, the National Theater production of Romeo and Juliet that you did with Josh O 'Connor, which was like so sick, but sick anyway. It was sad. It was so rad. But you have said that, you know, the experience of doing cabaret was like quite intense physically, emotionally, creatively. And it did make me wonder, is it going to be a while, do you think, before you do theatre again? Or is it just kind of like, if the right thing comes along, the timing makes sense?

38:06Jessie Buckley:Like, how are you kind of thinking about your relationship to theatre acting at this moment?

38:09Taylor Antrim:Oh, no, I'm like desperate to go back and do theatre. I'm okay. No, no, I am. I really am, at the moment I'm trying to, I don't want to just do any theatre. Yeah. You know, and I think actually where I am right now is like I really want to like offer something back into this industry. I want to, we're surrounded by the most incredible artists and actors and writers who are really hungry. And I sometimes feel like there is a bit of fear around our industry to create new language. And I really want to take responsibility as an actor to kind of help in the process of creating new language in scripts, whether that be for theater or for film.

38:57Taylor Antrim:And so at the moment with a group of friends and a producer back in London, I'm trying to set up a theater company. Amazing. as a way to kind of uncover what is our cultural conversation at the moment? What are the things that aren't being allowed to kind of come up? Like, how do we get like a Beckett? You know, how do we get a new, you know, where, and actually as a body of actors together help form that.

39:26Marley Marius:So new work is what you want to produce, you think?

39:29Taylor Antrim:Yeah. I feel like people are hungry, definitely, to, I don't want to do a fusty old Ibsen play. No offense to Ibsen. I know, I know. I just don't want to do that. Yeah, yeah. You're ready for something new or something, totally.

39:47Marley Marius:In the British Folk cover, you talked about you were reading one of my favorite writers, Rachel Cusk, and like you know, I just, so what are you reading?

39:55Taylor Antrim:What function is reading? This is the saddest question to me because I I cannot tell you how many books I've bought this last year that I just have no time to read. Right. Okay. I tell you what book I just bought. I love McNally Jackson's as well. When I come to New York, I went straight there yesterday. I picked up a C.S. Lewis book called All the Faces I Can See. And I think it's like, it's kind of a fable around the mythology of Psyche and Cupid.

40:28Marley Marius:Okay.

40:28Taylor Antrim:And then I have in my bag, there is this, one of young, Carl Jung's right hand women was a woman called Marie-Louise Van France. And I have a book about the feminine in fairy tales in my suitcase. Wow. and then another book in my suitcase is this book called Sea State which is about a journalist who goes to the like up to Scotland where the oil rigs are and she wants to put herself into the epicenter of what it is to be in a kind of isolated male environment and she interviews all these oil riggers and ends up in this like complex sexual relationship with one of the oil riggers. But it's kind of about capitalism and about the transactional nature of love.

41:20Marley Marius:Yeah, that's the one I would read.

41:22Taylor Antrim:It's really good. Actually, the thing that I have been able to read and find is this poet called David White.

41:29Marley Marius:Okay.

41:29Taylor Antrim:I discovered him on Rick Rubin's podcast. Rick Rubin does two episodes with him. Wow. He puts me to, I listen to like, I miss him multiple times to go to sleep. It's the most delicious bath of words And his book called Constellations, he just takes one word and kind of philosophizes on that word. There's two books of it. It's so good. If you don't have any time and you want to feel like you've got a mind, highly recommend it. All right.

41:57Marley Marius:I like the idea of falling asleep listening to Rick Rubin's podcast, too.

42:01Taylor Antrim:Except he's kind of got this weird 50s jingle in the middle of it.

42:05Marley Marius:Here's what I really want to ask. so at the beginning of the British Vogue cover story you have just watched the season finale of Celebrity Traitors yes so there is a little bit of low culture in your life as well as sorry sorry no I'm committed to the Traitors I love low culture

42:21Taylor Antrim:okay

42:22Marley Marius:so specifically because you also your career started with reality television so I wondered the lowest of the low

42:28Taylor Antrim:I wondered to myself it was called I'd do anything it sounded desperate I was watching clips incredible things happening crazy things

42:36Marley Marius:would you rather be a faithful or a traitor?

42:41Taylor Antrim:I play this. You do? Oh yeah, yeah, I play it. There's a group of us that get together usually led by Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Oh my god. And she dresses up as Claudia Winkleman and gets a deep big tan. Stop. A black wig. Obsessed. And we take a room above a bar. You probably need a whole cast of characters for this. We get really drunk and play this game. I want to come next to you. And any time I've been a traitor, I like, it's quite terrifying being a traitor. Yeah. My husband can call straight away. I'm like, hmm.

43:23Taylor Antrim:Have you ever played it? No. I watched all the episodes. Being a traitor is terrifying. But once you get into the river of a traitor, you're like, boom, boom, boom. And it's quite scary how good I can be at it.

43:34Marley Marius:Oh, yeah.

43:35Taylor Antrim:For what we've been speaking about, I think I'd be more relaxed as a faithful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, let's have some more exciting. More exciting. More dangerous as a traitor. But I'm only, obviously I can never play it now ever again because everyone's going to think I'm always a traitor.

43:53Marley Marius:When Alan Carr won Celebrity Traitors and he like burst into tears at the end, that was an incredible moment because I thought the emotional toll of being a traitor and winning would devastate me. I also thought the first episode where he became a traitor and he was given all the tasks.

44:12Taylor Antrim:I like, it makes me sweat with laughter even thinking about that and him like getting that flower. I mean, he was so bad at it. It was unbelievable. It was so good. He was so bad. It was so good. Didn't he have to do a line of Shakespeare or something?

44:28Marley Marius:Yeah. He was like, yes, I'll do it. I'll do it. And then he pulled it off. and then he won the whole thing. It was amazing.

44:35Taylor Antrim:My actual obsession and I am so bad at technology but I have found a way to get a VPN is to watch. Have you got one?

44:45Marley Marius:I don't but I'm fascinated. Tell me more. Well, my parents do.

44:47Taylor Antrim:Go on. Yeah, go on. I think it was actually my pregnancy craving was on Channel 4 in the UK I have this incredible show called 24 Hours in Police Custody. I am I am obsessed with it like I look weekly because they don't put up an episode every week so I like look nearly daily to see if there's a new episode and Stephen Graham who's also obsessed with 24 hours in police custody says he like based a little bit of adolescence off her oh my god interesting it's unbelievable but it's like surprise drops how is it not like on a weekly cadence like how do you because I guess to actually film people doing really bad thing.

45:29Marley Marius:There's some like legality around

45:32Taylor Antrim:what you can show and what you but because they're just in every we've got one. Like it's about the monster you know it's like the every person our capacity to do monstrous things and you're just living a little life in Little Britain. Wow.

45:45Marley Marius:I got to get a VPN. Yeah there you go. And I've got to watch the show. Yeah there you go. That sounds amazing.

45:50Taylor Antrim:We all have homework now and this is good. I'm obsessed.

45:53Jessie Buckley:Well thank you Jessie. This has been so fun. Oh my god. What a joy. Joy. What a delight.

45:59Marley Marius:What a delight.

46:03Jessie Buckley:That's it for The Run-Thru and our final day of Shark Week. See you next week.

46:11Jessie Buckley:The Run-Thru is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma, and Alex John Burns with help from Emily Elias. This episode is engineered and mixed by Pran Bandy.

46:24Jessie Buckley:My first job in New York City was as a trend forecaster. I do trend forecasting still, and eBay is a part of that because I'll search for things that I'm seeing around, and it will end up directing me in places that I could have never anticipated. And one of the trends that I'm seeing these days is crafting things that are made by hand. And so playing with clothes and accessories to create something kind of distinctive for your wardrobe is a great way of doing it. And getting supplies off of eBay is my favorite thing for it. I'll get like maybe a pair of slippers that I'm wearing right now and then cut them in a specific way and then they're totally my own.

47:00Jessie Buckley:And I feel like it's a great resource to create your own trends because then you can both feel like you're bringing something back to life. You're already like pulling it out of the eBay archives. And then you're also adjusting it so that it really expresses your own style, which is something that, you know, people really want right now whenever they are feeling like so algorithmic about the style that's being pushed to them. That doesn't have to be perfect. Things can have rough edges and that sometimes makes them feel more special. From PRX.