Melania, Anna Delvey, Hawk Tuah Girl: The Many Faces of Chloe Fineman | Plus Hedi Slimane Leaves Celine

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0:17This is The Run-Through. I'm Chloe Mal, and our beloved Choma is currently traveling to New York City. Extremely exciting, but that means we have two wonderful ladies here in her stead, Hannah and Margo. Can you ladies please introduce yourself? Hi, I'm Hannah Jackson. I'm a fashion writer here at Vogue. My name's Margo Ambuba. I'm the senior beauty and wellness writer. Nope, editor. Oh, I got confused. She does it all, folks. Today on the show, oh my gosh, Hannah and I had so much fun with Chloe Fineman, the fabulous SNL cast member and master impressionist. I was doing my full-throated cackle when she was describing the nuances of getting the hawk to a girl just right.

1:01But we also talked to her about what it means to get Botox as a comedian. Spoiler alert, there was an issue. And talked all about the season premiere of SNL. I feel like we got some good tea on sort of backstage with Jean Smart and David Carvey. The jelly roll of it all. The jelly roll of it all. That was very exciting. But before we get into the interviews, there is big fashion news this morning. We're recording on Wednesday afternoon. And just this morning, I woke up to a flurry of alerts. Another fashion house reshuffling. Oh, yes. So Hedy Slimane is out at Saleen after seven years, I believe, as creative director.

1:41And they have already announced who is taking his place mere hours later, Michael Ryder, who was previously at Ralph Lauren. I feel like people have been talking about Michael Ryder going to Saleen for a few months. I really defer to the Vogue Runway team as my fashion authorities, and it was interesting just chatting with Jose about Michael Ryder because not only did he come from Ralph Lauren, who, as we all know, Ralph Lauren has really understood the importance of good commercial product but also myth-making around the label and its customer. But also before Ralph Lauren, Michael Ryder worked under Phoebe Philo at Celine.

2:19So it is this sort of perfect mixture of commercial and old Celine and the importance of perpetuating and further creating the myth around a fashion house and its codes. I'm very excited to see what he'll do at Celine. I texted a group chat that Margot and I are in the news this morning. And at 7.30 a.m. I got a phone call from Margot before I had a chance to take out my night guard, mind you. I had been up for an hour and a half living with this news alone. She was stewing. Stewing with it. I had no one to talk to. I was waiting for someone to text me about it. Thank God. I feel blessed that it wasn't me.

2:55It usually is you. Oh, I'm aware. So we've been talking a lot at Vogue about, like, the NBA draft-style fantasy football-esque situation with creative directors and different fashion houses. There is a lot of speculation. There's a lot of movement. Obviously, the biggest parlor game during Fashion Month was who is going to take over Chanel. One name who has been coming up repeatedly since Virginie VR stepped down is Hedy Slimane. So when he stepped down this morning from Celine, all the sort of scuttlebutt gossipers started saying, well, he must be going to Chanel. I don't think it's that straightforward.

3:34I think there's a lot of people in the running for Chanel, and I don't know that we're going to know that any moment soon. Obviously, some of the people on that fantasy football draft card are Simon Port-Giacomoose, Peter Muller. When Peter Muller interviewed on the run-through with Nicole Phelps, he said that this summer he was reading Coco Chanel's biography. Oh. What does that auger? There's just – people have gone wide with this speculation. Could it be Nadege Venet from Hermes? Could it be Daniel Roseberry from Schiaparelli, Tom Brown? So the world is Chanel's oyster, TBH. And who knows? Could be Hedy.

4:12Could not be Hedy. I just really hope it's someone that cares about beauty. All right. All right. I care about – Chanel has a fantastic beauty line. Chanel beauty is going nowhere. Don't worry. Yes. I know. That's true. But, yes, the sort of excitement of Hedy stepping down. Also, the collection he just did just showed for Celine was very – some would say Chanel-coated. It was very ladylike. But as our intrepid fashion editor Jose Criales Unzueta pointed out, Hedy always sort of leans into these sort of femme bourgeoisie codes for Celine. So it wasn't that out of the ordinary for him. Ladies, what are your thoughts?

4:49You know, I think it kind of comes at an interesting time to see like Alessandro taking the reins of Valentino and doing his first runway. And you're seeing how he kind of brings his DNA to any house. Like that's what's really exciting to me. But it is really fun to see how designers will bring themselves to the job. Ladies, last night was the end of Paris Fashion Week. It was at a very magical place. What did everyone think about the most magical place on earth? I'm like famously a Disneyland hater. That tracks. Yeah. It really fits into my vibe. Caperni is a fashion brand, French fashion brand, but they make sexy sort of evening clothing that's cool and very much like a cool girl's label.

5:38And they're known for their swipe bag also, I feel like. It is this bag that is like a— Yes, very big oval. Well, it went very viral a few seasons ago because they had like a glass version. But Caperni is really good at kind of creating these moments that are so exciting to talk about. I think what really helped put them on the map was when they sprayed a dress on Bella Hadid in real time and then she walked down the runway in it. So, you know, it's not surprising to see them do a big spectacle of a show like Disneyland Paris. Yeah, they don't always do Disney stuff. Oh, it's very fun. Kylie was a big moment.

6:16I like, I think, leaning into the princess, walking into Cinderella's castle dressed as Cinderella. Just maybe a little too on the nose, maybe just right. Do you feel like she was dressed as Cinderella? She was wearing all black. I felt like it was more of like a kind of like— Maleficent. And she also like had the gorgeous fireworks behind her while she was walking. It was just such a cinematic moment. I do encourage everyone. I listened to Nicole Phelps and Virginia Smith talking about their highlights from Fashion Month and specifically Paris Fashion Week. And I felt like I was there with them at the Paris Vogue offices and learned so much.

6:53What were your favorite shows? Marco, was there a favorite beauty moment on the runway? I was at Milan Fashion Week. That's true. This was my first time there. It was so fun. I loved it. I went backstage at the Dolce & Gabbana show where everyone was turned into a Madonna from the 90s. And I have to say it was so fun because we very rarely see models. Sorry, you say a Madonna, but you mean Madonna, the pops are not the holy Madonna. Yes, sorry. The Madonna. Okay. I suppose. The material girl. Yes, the material girl. And we very rarely see people, models transformed into like a uniform beauty look.

7:35Now everyone, like at Prada, was all about individuality. I feel like that's what we're seeing a lot of. So it was very fun to sort of see a large transformation and to see all of the models with these blonde wigs on that were perfectly curled. And there was, you know, all of these wig forms with all of the wigs on them before, before they had been placed. Also, something that we do not have at the U.S. backstage that I feel like we need, and it's very Italian, is they have espresso bars at every single backstage. Oh, that's fun. We do need that. I also loved, I felt like I saw a lot of gelled hair in interesting ways.

8:10Like Jill Sander did gelled hair. A bunch of shows had sort of, it felt like almost like wet set moments. Guido Palo is sort of the most popular backstage hairdresser who's setting a lot of the trends. but he's known for these incredible sculptural looks. His talent is beyond words. And he takes all of these photos himself that are quite beautiful because he really like will pick a very arresting model and shoot her from the side. And he did this beautiful updo that he had shaped the hair into like a shell. It looked almost like a conch shell at Schiaparelli. And I thought that that was really stunning.

8:50Hmm. I also want to know about the lip jewelry at Valentino, Margo. What was that? Oh, yeah. I mean, there was all sort of face jewelry at Valentino. I think that that goes back to Alessandro's sort of code that we saw that when he was at Gucci 2. He had whether or not models had piercings that he leans into because a lot of models have their noses pierced, things like that, or beyond he's creating them. I think that these, from what I understand, are going to be accessories that are for sale. And I think it was like adding a little edge. Mm-hmm. What were some fun, unexpected casting moments and front row moments from Milan and Paris?

9:31I mean, Mew Mew just always has some crazy casting moments. We've seen Emma Corrin on the runway before. We've seen Mia Goth. Willem Dafoe has been on the runway before, but he came back. Has he? I think so. Yes, he walked in the Prada Villains show. Okay, yeah. So he's done Prada, but he helped close out Mew Mew and Nicole Kidman's daughter, Sunday Rose Kidman Urban, opened the show. She is 16. So this was her big debut moment. Who else was in that show? Little Sims was in the show. Hilary Swank. It was just Alexa Chung, who also walked Tory Burch. It was just like a never-ending parade, frankly.

10:08I liked all of the Cardi B appearances that we were seeing. She showed up to Mugler with the beauty look, which was these really interesting things. The beauty look from the show? Yes. Huh, that's cool. Yeah, done by the hairstylist. That's fun.

10:50In his About Fucking Time tank top and powder blue resort suit with the chain detail on the side. I was like, yeah, About Fucking Time indeed. You know, we did some fun sort of scene reports on front rows places. And I think that there was a big sort of internet boyfriend energy at Loewe. Always. There were some kooky knits on different heartthrobs. Josh O 'Connor. We love Daniel Craig. And Loewe campaign. Yes. And who else? The It Girls, you know, Greta Lee and Ioetta Beery were there, and then they wore looks off the runway to the Business of Fashion event that night. Oh, my God, I know. So there were some real Luwethi flexes.

11:30Io looked so good. Yeah. She can do no wrong in my eyes.

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12:33And we're back. Now, we had a chance to speak to Chloe Fineman. She is an actress and a comedian best known for her work on SNL. Some of her most beloved impressions are Anna Delvey, Jojo Siwa, Timothee Chalamet, and most recently a spectacular Hawk to a Girl for the season premiere of the show. And she's also starring in the newest Francis Ford Coppola movie, Megalopolis, alongside Grace VanderWaal, Adam Driver, Aubrey Plaza. So it was fun to hear about her expansion into feature film. Chloe came to visit us at the Vogue offices. Yes, she looked so cute in her espresso-colored Kalmyer suit and has been looking really great at all the shows this past month.

13:19So we were excited to talk to her about her fashion as well.

13:29Chloe, we are so excited to have you on the podcast. I'm thrilled to be here. Congratulations on the season premiere. Hannah and I are big SNL fans. I have to say I fell asleep because I have two toddlers when I was trying to watch in real time. So I had to catch up the next morning like a crazy person. But for the young people who watch it in real time, actually, I wonder how many people watch SNL in real time these days. I know. I started my sixth year. And throughout the years, it's always like, good luck or like, I love that sketch. And I think by year six, I got one text. So I think like, I don't know.

14:02But the people in my life, there's one person who's watching it. Yeah, it's interesting because I do feel like people definitely watch it and talk about it, but it's a lot Sunday morning. We say it's a show people watch on YouTube on Wednesdays. Is that like the cast motto? A couple of us have said that. But I think this one, like coming back, it was very exciting. And, you know, there's a lot of summer stuff to have to address. Mudang. Yeah. That's the first thing I saw. I opened TikTok and see Mudang. getting sprayed with a hose. And I was like, I got to tune in right now. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

14:40This was your beginning of your sixth season? Yeah. What feels different this year? Anything fundamentally? Fundamentally, no. I'm like, it's still the same panic on Monday, like coked out. Not that there is coked, but you're just like, there's like no sleep, so much work, 24-hour Friday until like the longest Saturday. All of us, we do these opening dance things and these purple sparkly dress, me, Eggo, Heidi, and Kenan. And the four of us were like, he was like, we never left. How long is hiatus? Five months? Four months? October to May. Oh, so, okay. It's a full, like, seven months. Yeah, I'm like, we have, like, a private school schedule.

15:24We really do. It's true. Yeah, we totally do. But no, it's such a show steeped in tradition that, like, truly nothing feels different. Do you have any first premiere, season premiere rituals? I think a lot of us try and avoid candy and then immediately— There's candy by a desk. It's like every day is trick-or-treating. I think the ritual is just like, how long can I avoid not eating candy? And then we're all just— There's a whole candy table. We have a whole candy table. That's dangerous. Oh, no, it's amazing. That'd be so dangerous here. Yeah, there is. There was like ice cream right before the show starts because I think my body is like, oh, my God, it's like 1130.

16:04And now we have to like do this whole show. So you really run on sugar. You're starting at 1130. Sorry. What time do you wake up? What's your sleep situation on Saturday? Gosh, this Friday was nuts because we had I wasn't in the cold open, but I think people left work at like 1 a.m., 2 a.m. Friday. and then we did this Spirit of Halloween video. So I was picked up. My day Friday was like 7 a.m. till midnight and then kind of got up at like 9. Because you want to like learn everything as best you can. And is what is even in the show or what gets cut. Like there's not, you don't really want to memorize, but Jean Smart kind of looked at me and she's like, you don't memorize it?

16:45And I was like, no. And she was like, why not? And I was like, you know what, you're right, Jean Smart. And she really made me be like, oh yeah, I probably should like really put like 100 % more effort into this thing. So I got up really early. But the day is like, you know, leave the house at 1130 in the morning and then come home at 430 in the morning. Oh, my God. So as you mentioned, Jean Smart hosted the 50th season premiere, which is so exciting. And we love Hax and Jean. What was it like working with her? She is such a dame. Did you know her before? I didn't. Oh, no, that's a lie. I did, briefly.

17:24I worked with her for one day on Babylon the morning after she won her Emmy. Oh, my God. Wow. And I was like, you probably don't remember me. And she's like, no, I don't. But she's phenomenal and really funny. She did a very unusual thing that I totally respected, which was she was feeling sick. And so we have a run through before dress rehearsal. and we had she had the mask on and the writers would say all of her lines and she was miming no wow i swear to god for like six hours and everyone was like you know freaking out but you know she comes from the theater and and that you know that's so normal to like be on vocal rest but i love the the meltdown that was happening and i was like just trust you know she is a genius and then not a word was spoken and then at dress rehearsal she has to sing and it was just like new york and we were like there she is and it was a flawless it was perfect it was perfect it was perfect a real like that's why i'm like she's truly dame jean smart to me well we also uh we were talking about how delighted we were at the prospect of jean smarts having to introduce jelly roll that's what we all of us were like you couldn't make this this is a parody of SNL like ladies and gentlemen jelly roll it's the best and Hannah and I were also loving the photo of the the cast call with the good night tiny head behind his entourage he had a real crew I know can you tell us about that moment uh just a bunch of tattooed sweet boys.

19:05My parents texted and they were like, are you wearing a tank top? Or like, we couldn't really tell behind Floating head of Chloe. Floating head like in Jelly Roll. A really sweet guy. At the after party, Post Malone was there and I was like, well, that makes sense. Post Malone, Jelly Roll, they're all you know, in the same world. If you have a face tattoo in music, you must be friends. You go to each other's SNL after parties. One of my good friends, her celebrity crushes Jelly Roll. It's a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. He's got that je ne sais quoi, dare I say. He really does have an it factor. And when, you know, his voice is so amazing.

19:42He's really nice. Wow. Well, you had a lot of great moments in the episode playing hot to a girl. Oh, thank you. I can only imagine that one went right into the drafts as soon as she came about. You know, contending with Bo and Yang's Charlie XCX, a real housewife of Santa Fe, which I now want as a full series. Can you give us some highlights from the evening? Gosh. I mean, it was all so great. There was a wide range. We even had like a House of Dragons sketch that was fun. But the Hawk to a Girl, I was like, I'm going to die over the Hawk to a Girl. Because I've never gotten so many notes about how to Hawk to and spit on that thing.

20:24And it was like, don't be so Southern. And then I kept, because I was like, Hawk to and spit on that thing. And they're like, no, hot two. And I was like in my dressing room sending videos to friends. And then it was like more joyous. No, no, she giggles. And I was like, it is one line in the show. One line in the show. I don't really get notes that much. But there was something about like how invested we were. We were all as a society invested in her. In Haley Well. And I like that got a laugh. And then anything else I said would like kind of be medium. And then I would be like and we kept changing the lines between like dress rehearsal and this.

20:58And I was like, I am spiraling over the Hawk to a Girl. Well, so I have a question. When you're off season and a moment like that happens, are you like, oh, fuck, I'm going to have to be Hawk to a Girl in three months? Like, do you see it coming? I did see that one. I did see that one. You're like, this is a me assignment. Yeah. And I felt like she had staying power because, like, usually in the summer I'm like, we got to get on it now. Like, there was the Australian hip hop break dancer. Or Ray Gunn. Ray Gunn. We were very captivated by Ray Gunn. I was in Syracuse and I was leaving. I was supposed to be packing up and then I like saw it, realized I was near like one of the last great malls of America.

21:37Drove, shot it, immediately posted it, went back to packing. Wow. Because that is how our brain have to work to be like, I got to hop on it, you know. Someone has to. But Hawk Tua could wait. Hawk Tua could wait. Hawk Tua was like. She was worth the wait. She was worth the wait. I hope. I feel like here, like trying to explain Hawk Tua in a stand-up meeting. So stressful. It's for like, okay, how do you do this in a way that's like professional, but this is not like a normal company. No, totally. A lot of HR flags with Hawk Tua. Yes, with Hawk Tua. Hawk Tua. Hawk Tua. I'm always impressed by how completist your characters are, looks-wise.

22:20Like, I feel like it's really, I don't know, I was going back and watching Anna Delvey last night, and it's really top to tail. Thank you. What, how involved were you in, like, costuming? I'm obsessed with Jodi Mancuso. Yes. The wig maestro. Yes, what a weather. What's, like, the process of getting into Hawk to a Girl? Well, that one, I didn't write Hawk to a Girl. She was sort of gifted upon me. It was actually pretty fabulous. So I go in for my fitting with Tom Broker, who is our costume genius. And he was like, oh, she, by the way, she has this Prada necklace. And I was like, oh, interesting.

23:03So then they were like measuring the exact length of her necklace with the cleavage. And then Tom was like, I texted my Prada guy. And it turns out this is mean. Or maybe it's not, but it's Vogue. I don't care. They're like, it's fake. So then they couldn't get the necklace from the Prada guy. So then they had to like 3D print this fake Prada thing. And then they were like, Prada guy can't know that it's a fake, but they've never made that necklace before. I hope you're keeping this necklace. Of course. But like every minute detail is taken into place. Like if it was me, I would just have like a chain necklace.

23:39But no, no, no. Wow. Measuring the distance necklace to sternum is really something. And then getting the right bra, it's like, is it lace? Is it this? Wow. Between Friday and Saturday, they're like running around town and changing stuff. And it's very involved. And the wigs are really involved. Like Jodi is amazing, especially if it's like a character. She'll often check in on like Thursday or Friday and be like, try this on. Like, let's see. Let's see. And that's the most exciting part. We have heard a lot of lore about the wig wall here. It's been a big topic of discussion lately. I feel. Can you tell us a bit about the wig wall?

24:17Hannah looks so confused. The wig room? Oh, excuse me. No, it's a hallway. Yeah, yeah. So I'm actually directly next door to the—I chose my dressing room to be near them. No, because they make me laugh all day long. To me, those gals are like the joy of the show. But basically, you go into this like magical little room. We have these things called wig bubbles. I don't know if they do it old school still because I think things have changed weirdly in the last six years. But they put a bunch of tape around your head and then turn it into this, like, you know, wig holder thing. And so basically there's like— So they, like, make a mold of your head.

24:56A mold of your head. So there's, like, six Chloe's and Bowen's and, like— Wow. And they look like these, like, taped wig molds. The cool part is she has these binders. so you like pull it out and they're all archived in a fashion of kind of like fashion. But like every wig that I wear, you can see on the bag who has worn it before. Incredible. And so it'll be like Bill Hader, Kristen. And like I do have like supposedly a similar shaped head to Kristen. But also Bill Hader and I've worn a lot of Bill Hader's wigs and that's always kind of a delight. You get like a phrenology expert in here to tell us what that means.