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26:34Hi, everybody. This is The Run Through. I'm Margo Ambuba, Vogue's senior wellness and beauty editor, and I'm here with someone I always enjoy talking with, Michelle Pfeiffer. Thank you for coming. My pleasure. Thank you for having me. We're so happy to have you on the pod. You are having a really big moment right now. The Madison and Margot Scott Money Troubles are both streaming on our TVs. They've come out basically at the same time, and I think it's really fun because they're really different projects, and you play completely different women. What has it been like sort of seeing these two roles really literally roll out on TV side by side?

27:10It's been a lot because it's sort of two press tours, one on top of the other. And they are so, I mean, that is the fun of it, actually, because I do love to take on as different a character as I can. These are about as different as you could get. And I also did Madison first, which was draining. And Cheyenne from Margot was so energizing, and I had so much fun. I mean, I loved doing the Madison. I loved being in Montana. I thought the character of Stacey was really complicated, and I loved the family and the family dynamic and the storyline and all of that. But, you know, the subject matter is grief.

27:59And so it's, I think it takes place over six days, which we shot over three months. So that was a lot of grieving. And I'm nearly in every scene. But, yeah, it's been super exciting, honestly. I love that. When we had breakfast a month ago, two months ago, you talked about how you loved the Montana sunsets and sunrises and how beautiful they are. Do you feel like you're converting to a country girl maybe? I remember you called yourself a city girl. Well, you know, the thing is I can be a country girl. I used to go camping growing up. I go fishing with my husband, not as much as I used to. I can rough it probably more than most people.

28:46I choose not to. If I had my druthers, I am a city mouse. I love the city. I love New York City. I love Los Angeles. But I love Montana. I'd never been there. I'd like to vacation there. And I look forward to going back to work. And next spring, next year in the spring, we'll start shooting season three. That's amazing. And is it going to take place, do you know yet, over that short of a period of time again? Six days again? You haven't heard the word. That's a really good question. I have no idea. I kind of doubt it. We haven't read anything yet. So I don't know that they've mapped any of it out.

29:31They're probably working on it as we speak. So in Margot's Got Money Troubles, we said you play a totally different type of mom. Cheyenne's your character. First of all, I loved her hair. You with these big barrel curls, so fab. Driving the convertible. Hilarious. I am not a barrel curl kind of gal. But, you know, I got to do all kinds of things. That's the beauty of a character like Cheyenne. I think a lot of people, because people love her, and I think live kind of vicariously through her. When I would walk onto the set, the joy that the crew would get just to see what Cheyenne would be wearing today and what was going to come out of her mouth today.

30:15And both of these characters are that way in different ways. You know, they speak their mind in a way that I think we all probably should do a better job of. I love that. And you worked on this project with your husband, right? I did, Margo. For the first time in a long time. Yeah. I did one day, I think, on this little movie that he did many, many years ago. You know, neither of us were really that eager to work with each other in a real way like this. In fact, when I read the book, there was this book laying around on the counter in the kitchen, and I kept walking by it, and it's an intriguing cover.

30:53Finally, one day I said, what is this book? Do you think, is this something I would like? And he said, oh, yeah, actually, we're trying to option it. And we all think that there's a part in there that you really only you should play. Oh, well, that piqued my interest. So I read it, and it wasn't, it was only a few pages. It's like she's there in the beginning and then she disappears and we don't until the very end of the novel. Then we hear from her again. And she's not – she's definitely fiery and funny. But I don't think you like her as well in the book. You know, they rounded her out a little more, which you can do.

31:32So I said, sure, I'll do it because thinking it's a couple days' work, you know, it's probably not going to – anyway. But I was – I fell so in love with her. I was delighted when they expanded the part. And I love working with Elle, the cast. What a dream job. Did your husband tell you, David, what role he had in mind for you before you read it? And were you like a fit in it? Well, I was a little like everyone thinks only you can play that part. And yet I got it. And I'm from Orange County. And I can be a little fiery. And I do speak my mind. So, I mean, I really, I related to this character. I grew up with women like this.

32:16I mean, honestly, you can find Cheyenne everywhere. Yeah. You can find her in Los Angeles or Florida or New York, but she happened to be from Fullerton. Are you the kind of person that takes something from set to like a memento or something? There was a lot of Cheyenne's closet I would have wanted to take because it was just so fun and it felt like a little Y2K, you know, whatever. But then on the Madison, it was very, like, quiet luxury. So I'm curious. I took more from Madison. Yes. I'm a little more quiet luxury. But there is the raincoat when we go out on the town in Vegas. Oh, yes, yes. Yeah, I took that.

32:54Okay, fair. The animal print raincoat. Love. Uh-huh. Yeah. I would have taken the boots if they would have given them to me, but they wanted to hold on to them. Darn it. Okay, well, now someone knows what to get you for holiday or something. What was it like working with Elle? Because I know that you have had like a very long relationship with her and her sister. She's a dream. Both of them, honestly. I worked with Elle, well, once in I Am Sam when she was two. And then in Maleficent where we didn't have that many scenes together, which I loved and enjoyed her then. So this was really when we really, really got to know each other, I think.

33:32And I have known Dakota for a long time. And we did First Lady together. And, you know, we started doing these pizza and champagne parties, which is the best thing about knowing them, honestly. They're the most fun. But, yeah, so at the time that I read it and I was considering it, the only one that was cast was Elle. And she's just grown into—she always was a really good actress. but she's one of our best talents out there. She is. And she's one of those people on screen where there's some people on screen, a lot of good actors out there, but some people where the light just kind of comes through them.

34:19And she's one of those people. And she's very serious. Now they have their own production company, and I'm so proud of them, and they're so good, and they're so smart. And they're off doing a movie together now, which we're all really excited to see. But then she will break out into, nobody laughs easier. You can, Elle will laugh at all my jokes. That's probably why I like her. Yeah. She laughs at all my jokes. That's so cute. Okay, very tough question. Go-to pizza order for these pizza and champagne parties. Are you, we all prefer, our favorite is the white pizza. Oh, that's my favorite too. We all want the white pizza.

34:59And I like a little salad on top. I don't even know why we bother making the other ones. Okay, there's no controversial pineapple happening here. No, I do like pineapple. On your pizza? I do. I do. That's very controversial. I know it is. I don't like a sweet and savory mix. Is this a Canadian thing or something? I have no idea, honestly. Yeah, anyway. I just know I tried it once and I knew it wasn't for me. And is it like a ham that goes on it? Yes, it's like— It's so good. Maybe it's Canadian ham. But it's the sweet and the salty thing. It's good. It is not for me. um so much like obviously Ellen Dakota you have been in the limelight for a really long time and had this long incredible career with so many iconic roles I'm curious how you feel like your relationship with like publicity and things like that has changed or grown do you feel more open more guarded like the way that the world is now is so different from yeah uh and I was thinking about this recently and I'm feeling pretty saturated honestly at the moment and in some ways it's become easier for me and in some ways it's harder because I think interviews are not that interesting anymore because everybody's so careful and so guarded and everybody is so afraid to step in it unintentionally and then get canceled.

36:18On the other hand, I don't feel as guarded in terms of sharing things about my life that I think I was pretty stingy with my whole life. So I don't love it. I'm never going to love it. I surrender to it, I guess. Yes. I mean, well, you very briefly admitted you like pineapple on pizza. See, I wouldn't. Being vulnerable. Right. I wouldn't have shared that 20 years ago. Exactly. Okay, so this episode will come out the day before the finale of Margo's Got Money Troubles. What was it like? Obviously, there's highs and lows in the show. There's a lot of really difficult conversations that the characters are having, controversial topics.

37:02But what was it like filming the last episode? It was funny, but also it was very moving. A lot of serious, kind of more serious subject matter, but of course laced with humor. because we are a dramedy. Yes. And I didn't feel that sort of sadness that you can feel because I think we all had a good idea that maybe we were going to come back for a second season because I do think we all felt we had done something pretty special. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely felt like, wow, people are going to really love this show. Well, I know, obviously, my name's Margo, and I know when something is really taking off, whether it's Margot Robbie's doing something or something because I never hear my name.

37:47And I've been hearing Margot around the office for like months because the show was coming up and everyone in the office was so excited about it and thought it was so funny. So it is my pet peeve when people are saying my name and not talking about me because I'm not used to it. But I'm happy because it was so fun. Okay, this is a fashion podcast. We like to know what people's first really like memory of fashion is. Do you have a moment where you either had a piece you were in love with or something like that? I, the first thing I remember loving was probably a pair of white go-go boots. Ooh. Like Nancy Sinatra.

38:25Yes, love. Okay. And I think maybe my first pair of fishnet stockings. Were they covered? I was all over that. Were they black or were they white? They were probably white. Okay. I think. So you were very into like a sort of space-age-y go-go boots. I was into nothing. I didn't know what I was doing. But, you know, when I first started working and growing up, I didn't know there was such a thing as a label and designer clothes. I didn't even know what that meant. And people, I would be wearing something which wasn't a designer and people would say, oh, that's so cute. Who makes that? And I'd be like, I don't know.

39:05And I stayed that way for a while, then Giorgio Armani reached out and offered to dress me. And I said to my agent, why don't I need him to dress me? I don't understand. I just didn't understand the whole concept. And he said, honey, just let him dress you. So yeah, so then he dressed me for, you know I don't know a couple decades you know I only wore Armani the late Mr. Armani had such like an interesting cool take on femininity I feel like yeah it was always a woman who felt very like in charge yeah in her clothing yes it was the suits but even like the dresses were never and they were kind of containing you they were kind of oversized and it was all about it's like the dress shouldn't walk into the room that the woman should whatever it is I forget what it is.

39:57Yeah. Don't let the clothing wear you. Yeah. Something like that. And he definitely lived by that. And his designs, they literally looked like nothing on the hanger. And then you would put them on and it was the cut and it was the color and it was the way they draped on your body. And a man's, like literally these oversized suits were sexy on women. Yeah. So I learned so much by my collaboration with him. I love that. And I miss him. Yeah, I was going to say, do you have a favorite memory of either wearing something of his, or did he ever advise you to wear something you were nervous about, and it ended up working out perfectly?

40:37I'm curious. I remember he invited me to Milan, and he had designed, and I wish I still had them, and I don't, three or four, or five different dresses for me, and one of them had a hood. They were very cool. But I remember there was a navy dress, that sort of navy black that he does, and I believe it was for Baker Boys, and I was either the Golden Globes or the Academy Awards, And it was just simple, crude neck and long-sleeved, just like this sheath of a dress. And then I just had a pair of chunky pearls. Oh, love. And everything was very simple. And, you know, I most likely overdid everything before I met him.

41:34Well, the paired back sophistication. You're still, you're upholding the memory today with the look that you're wearing. I want to talk about your Vogue cover from October 1991 with Herb Ritz. I got to go and dig in on the archive and read the story. And something I found really fun about the shoot is it was sort of like character-driven, it seemed. Was that the one where I did all the different characters? Yes. You were like in a Maryland moment. You were wearing a black wig at one point. Joan of Arc. Yes, exactly. It was so much fun. And then I was actually doing an impersonation of my boyfriend at the time of him doing an impersonation of his father.

42:11I dressed up in the suit. I actually have a huge, it's the only piece of art of me or I don't have awards hanging or posters hanging or anything like that in my house. But I have a huge print of that print. And he was another gem that we lost too soon, Herbritz. Is it hanging in your home? It's in my office at the moment. Cute. I was hanging in when I was at a different home, and now we've moved into another home, and I haven't found the right place for it yet. But we used to have the most fun, Herb and I, and that was the most fun photo shoot I've ever done because it was like acting. It was like playing dress up.

42:57Oh, I love that. Okay, now a pivot. I asked you about your first fashion memory, but what about your first beauty memory? I am a beauty editor, obviously, and I want to talk about your routine a little bit. Well, I founded a fragrance company. Yes, yeah. That's a perfect transition. So I love perfume, and I do think, you know, interestingly enough, I didn't really love my mother's perfume. Oh, okay. But I loved my father's cologne. Mm-hmm. When I founded my company, Henry Rose, I had stopped wearing fragrance for 10 years because once my kids were born, I started paying closer attention to ingredients and everything and our exposure to things.

43:40And anyway, I couldn't find a fragrance that was transparent with its ingredients and stopped wearing it. I missed it. Wasn't really acting that much at the time. And I thought, you know, what's going to get me excited in the morning to get out of bed? What's going to give me purpose? I thought, you know, I bet you there are other people who are looking for something like this, a product like this. Maybe I'll see if I can do that well. That was like then beating my head against the wall for like 15 years, skipping ahead. I started formulating, and I thought I was only going to do one fragrance.

44:09And I was going after a certain olfactive thing. We launched with five, and it was Darkest Night, Last Light, Jake's House, Torn. I'm blanking on the fifth one. Anyway, but Torn was the very first one that we locked. Okay. And this thing about scent memory, you know, they talk about scent memory, and I thought it was just sort of like some kind of marketing play. But the truth is memory and scent are right next to each other in the brain, and they're absolutely intertwined. In fact, it's the only part of the brain where there's crossover. Oh, cool. And that's why fragrance is so powerful. And it's visceral.

44:54You don't know why you gravitate toward florals or you gravitate toward vanilla like I do. Usually it's because it's mixed up with some really fond memory that you have. And one of the reasons people love vanilla so much is that it reminds them of their youth. Oh, okay. And I think it's Toll House Cookies. Oh, okay. I was going to say, is it Bath and Body Works? Everyone wore warm vanilla sugar like I did. Yeah, vanilla, though, is a scent that makes people feel young. Okay. Anyway, what I realized in the process of working with the perfumers is they would say to me, because I didn't have their vocabulary, and they said, don't tell us what you think it smells like.

45:34Mm-hmm. That will confuse us. Okay. Tell us where it takes you. Oh. So I learned to follow where that scent took me. Mm-hmm. That's how we name them. Do you mean in your mind where it takes you, like a memory? It's like you're lying on Freud's couch. Okay. It's like free association. Oh. You just let your brain go. And I realized I was going after my father's cologne without knowing that's what I was doing. And did you know what he wore? And inevitably, Jake's house reminded me ultimately. So a lot of times I don't even know why it is I'm going after that particular scent. Okay. And did you know what your father wore or was it like lost to time and you were just hunting after some sort of note that ended up, you know, maybe it was— It was Old Spice.

46:26Oh, okay. And I've always gravitated toward men's colognes. And that's why I wanted the line to be genderless. Yeah. Because it made no sense to me. In fact, I mostly always loved men's scents more than I did women's. I think when you smell the notes, that makes a lot. or smell the scents like together, it makes a lot of sense because they feel sort of harmonious, but they don't like shout a vibe or something. No, in fact, one of our scents is called Floracarnibora, and it was the first floral that we were able to do. And I hesitated to call it Floracarnibora because if you put floral in it, men are not going to, they're going to think it's a women's, but it is so good on men.

47:12And if you don't put a feminine name on it, people will not associate it with male or female. Yeah. Time and time again. So going back to these memories that you're sort of using to either fuel the fragrance or vice versa, do you have a memory that you are chasing right now? Something that you want to turn into a perfume? Or is there a memory that you, like, haven't been able to nail yet when it comes to a scent? I'm working on one. Okay, can you tell me anything? No, I can't tell you. Okay, mysterious. I wish I could. I'm wearing London 1983. Will you tell me a little bit about what the story is behind that scent?

47:53I've always loved musk. We have not been able to formulate anything close to a musk. And that's because musk typically are synthetics because they came from animals previously. And that was banned. Yes, that's banned just so. But then trying to do a synthetic is very, very hard. So cut to perfumers presented us with a musk. We weren't asking for a musk, and we smelled it. And, of course, fell in love with it. And I was really excited. And we started then going through the process of trying to name it. So I'm doing my free association. I'm doing that. And I end up on King's Road in London. And I remember I was in my early 20s.

48:40It was my first time to London. I'm walking down King's Road. It is blowing my mind. It's punk rockers. It's models. It's like dangerous and seedy and glamorous and all of these things. So I'm so exhilarated by it all. And there was a woman standing or sitting on a street corner selling these tiny little vials of perfume. Oh. And it was musk. Okay. And it was the first time I had ever smelled it. Love. And I fell in love with it. Mm-hmm. Of course, used up the whole bottle. And I was never able to find it again. Mm-hmm. Until this musk. Oh, so fab. So fab. So are you laying, you're like, I'm imagining you laying on a fainting couch, like sort of spritzing the pillow.

49:30And then smelling it and sort of like going on a journey in your head thinking about it. No, no. We're like sitting around a table, brainstorming. Uh-huh. Yeah, we do it together. I like that, too. Mine's a little more fun, though. Yeah. Run Through will be back in just a moment.

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50:35So whenever I'm watching TV, movies, whatever, I'm always sort of like creeping in on people's bathrooms and the scenes being like, oh, what are they wearing? What's perfumes on the counter? What's their toothpaste this character uses? Because to me, it's like really interesting to see, you know, like recently we've seen all these LED light masks sewing up in shows and things like that. Your character on The Madison had a very nice bathroom setup, first of all. Did she? She had a gray bathtub. Yeah, it was a ridiculous bathtub. It was like— It's too big. Too big? It's too big. You know, have you ever been in a bathtub where your feet don't touch the end and you just keep sliding under?

51:11No, I wish. I'm in a New York bathtub. My feet—I'm like 5 '3", and my feet really stick up. Well, sometimes in hotels, you know? Okay, yeah, true. It was one of those— It's a soaking tub, not a bathtub. I mean, it's nice. It's pretty. Yeah. And it does fit two people. Ugh. Comfortably. Love. That's romantic. I also saw there was like so many curated products. Orbe in the bathroom. room, I think a little like maybe La Mer on the counter. What is your routine like when it comes to beauty? Do you have like tried and trues that you love? Are you experimental? I have really sensitive skin. And so when I find something that works, I'll stay with it for 15 years if they just keep making it.

51:50Problem is all of a sudden products, they aren't as effective or all of a sudden I'll start like breaking out. I'm like, what is going on? And I think sometimes now that I have a fragrance company, I know that you reformulate sometimes for various reasons. Yes, totally. And they don't tell you they're reformulating. They don't tell you, but all of a sudden it's not working in the same way. So I've been kind of on the prowl for products and I keep trying various things. Okay. I'm in between. I'm in transition. So are you more of a three-step routine or 10 step like three okay if I simply don't have the time or I don't want to take the time totally and something will break me out yes oh it is so humbling being in my mid-30s and having adult acne it is like I have a zoc doc lady down the block on speed dial where I'm texting her being like I need to get a shot in this acne please help me like fix this it's just a random lady They shoot it?

52:48Yeah, they'll give you a cortisone shot. Ooh, careful. You can get pox. I do know that. I got a pox here. Oh, from that? From that years ago. Yeah. Okay. I had been warned of that, so I'm very careful. But they're just so painful. And it's very humbling when you're supposed to be a beauty editor and then you show up to the office with either a sunburn or acne. Yeah, one of those little patches. So also very busy mentioning that you're a new grandmother. Yes. What is your grandma name? It's just Grandma. Okay. You know, because we were reading books about Grandma. And then so she started calling me Grandma.

53:25Name association. I was kind of disappointed. Okay. You wanted to be like a Gigi or something. I just wanted something, yeah. That can come later. She's calling me Gaga for a while. Ooh. I know. I know. What's Grandma Michelle Pfeiffer like? I did not expect it to be like this. You see other people, and you see them move. They just completely uproot themselves so they can go live closer to their grandchildren. And I was always like, oh, I don't know. They're not my kids. But I am so besotted. I am so besotted. And I have a new one now, too, another one who's now four weeks old. Oh, so new. So new.

54:13I love the way a little fresh baby smells too. Speaking of like, give me that perfume scent. Yes. With the little fuzz on their heads. I know. I know. I'm just loving it. Are you the grandma who's bringing clothes? Are you the grandma who's just coming to hang out? Are you? I bring clothes. I bring toys. Yeah. And I know, obviously, that both of your characters that we were discussing about before are grandmothers also. So did you like maybe learn anything about your own grandma, grandparenting style, I guess? Or like was there anything either from that resonated maybe with either of those characters?

54:52Well, certainly not Cheyenne because she does not particularly like children. But I think that she feels like a big failure when it comes to mothering. I think she has a lot of guilt and shame and insecurity about her parenting capabilities. It's interesting because when you said Stacey's, there's like an obvious grief in your role with Stacey in the Madison. But I felt like there was like an underlying tone of grief with Cheyenne too because she didn't want her daughter to have a baby so young, things like that. So it is interesting. You know, it's interesting. I was thinking about the difference, and I was thinking about it's really the difference between the two are in Madison, it's about broken dreams.

55:38And in Margo, it's about never having achieved your dreams. and um i think that yeah i think that there is grieving there's a certain kind of ongoing grief with cheyenne and her her family um and you know the one last dream she had left well she has kenny um but is you know is was margo and it was the one thing she could she She could feel successful of as a parent was, look, she made it to college. And now, oh, God, no. So many other things are happening. She's going down the same road I went down. That's really nicely put. I can imagine being a parent's really hard. It is. It's not easy. Yeah, totally.

56:31It's not easy. But it's worth it. I have heard you say in another interview that you haven't played your favorite role yet. Like, it's still on the horizon, maybe. Did I say that? That's not true. I have played—I don't think I have one favorite. Favorite. I always love—they're more fun to play, the sort of spicier and more damaged. Mm-hmm. And survivors. Yes. Those are—I like those women. Yeah. Well, I think they're probably representations of, like, complexity of women. Yeah. And you don't— Probably me, too. I feel like, you know, I'm a survivor, and I was just thinking about that today, how grateful I am that I became an actor because it changed everything for me.

57:19It gave me my community, my family, my passion for something. I still am just as passionate about acting as I was the first time I got on stage. So, I mean, that's incredible to be able to say that. That really speaks to also the sort of thoughtful roles that you're taking. Like you're not just taking anything. You're really thinking about it and like what the next step is. It's all hard. Making movies is really, it's hard. And it's all worth it if it's something that you, if it's a character you get really excited about doing and you're working with people who really inspire you and directors who really get it and you're working on amazing material.

58:06And if you can avoid not having all that, you know, it just makes it so much harder. And so for me, it's just I'm really, I really look at all of those variables and whether or not, like, you know, I knew I was going to really enjoy the Madison. I knew it was going to be hard. I didn't know it was going to be that hard. It was really hard. There's a lot of feelings in the mind. Yeah, a lot of feelings. And it's like being out in the elements, day in and day out, going through hot summer into really cold winter. But I still love doing it. And I fell in love with Montana. And I fell in love with my cast and my crew and my director and not only the real actors but also the characters too.

58:52And I had so much fun doing Margot. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Wrapping up, a couple questions. One, summer plans. Are you working? Are you, do you guys take a trip always, family trip with the grandkids? We'll be spending some time, you know, away, off the grid a little bit. Not like Montana off the grid. Yeah. Like my idea of my version of being off the grid. Yeah, we'll see family. Yeah, I'm looking forward to some downtime. Love. And in that downtime, what do you like to read? Are you listening to podcasts? Are you listening to audiobooks? Are you binge watching a show? What's your like sort of, are you taking a bath in a not as big?

59:36All of the above. All of the above. I, you know, I love reading. I love podcasts. I don't listen to them as much as I should. Or every time I listen to them, I enjoy them so much. I learn so much from it. I get too caught up with, what is that word game? Wordle? Not Wordle. I don't do Wordle. I forget the name of it. It's a New York Times one where you have to find words. Spelling Bee. Oh, Spelling Bee is so hard. I'm obsessed with it. Okay. I've won some. It's a genius level or something like that. Not to brag or anything. Not to brag, yeah. Yeah, but I can't get past the Monday morning crossword of the New York Times.

1:00:21But I don't know. I like to—I will binge watch if there's something binge watchable. Yeah. I love it all. I miss going to the movies, though. I wish there was more—I'm looking forward to seeing Devil Wears Prada. Oh, yeah. But I sort of wish there was more I wanted to go see in the theater. And we actually saw Margot screened at South by Southwest. Oh, so fun. And even though it's made for television, it was so fun seeing it with an audience. Yeah. Yeah. Well, especially because there's like good laughing moments in it. Yeah. Like they were screaming laughing. That's so funny. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

1:01:02I'm so happy to catch up with you. Thanks for having me.

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