Our First Dogue Wedding! PLUS Hollywood’s Bombshell Designer

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1:34I'm happy to report that on August 2nd, 2026, on the Upper East Side of New York City, my daughter, Edie Berlinger-Douglas, walked down the aisle and married Tux Murillo. It was a beautiful day. My name is Max Berlinger. I'm the Senior Fashion News Editor at Vogue and Vogue Runway. and I am the father to Edie Berlinger-Douglas, who is a mixed terrier. I'm Iggy Murillo. I'm the global talent casting director at Vogue and I am Tuxedo's father. This relationship was 100 % arranged to Nebel's babies living their best life.

2:21Edie is older than Tux by a fair amount of years. She's turning nine, and I believe he's one turning two. So, you know, it's a bit of a May-December romance. At first, she did not vibe with him, but, like, she grew to love him. His excitement was contagious to her. Like, he sees the world with puppy eyes and makes her see it like that again. So she's learned to love him. My name is Irene Kim, and I'm the wedding planner for our very first dog wedding. I have had such a huge fear of dogs. I got bit by a German Shepherd when I was six years old. And ever since then, I've, you know, never really had a desire to be this close to a dog or this many dogs in general.

3:06So the first ever Dogue wedding took place on Sunday at 11 a.m. sharp at the Surrey Hotel on the Upper East Side. You know, I thought it would be funny to have a dog wedding for Dogue this summer. So I was like, I pitched it to Chloe in a general meeting about Dogue. So I didn't want to tell her I'm scared of dogs. because I just told her, of course I'd do it. So Edie wanted to get married in a non-conventional space. She didn't think of like a normal wedding hall or restaurant. So we chose the Surrey Hotel, which has a duplex penthouse. So we got there early in the morning, and we did a fitting with her dress designer and accessories designer.

3:51So the dress was designed by Rachel Antonoff. and the accessories were custom made by Susan Alexandra. And the dress consisted of a like knit bodysuit that had scalloped edges on the like hem and the neckline. And then there was a satin ruffled collar and then a long like silk charmeuse train that had like a brooch on it. And it even has sort of like a little slit in it so that her little tail could fit through. And then Susan made an incredible veil that came off of a pillbox hat. And it had like sequins like down the sides. And she said that she was inspired by the Kennedys. And we looked up pictures of Jackie Bouvier then before she got married.

4:38And it did kind of look just like her veil. And then she also made some necklaces, including one that had a charm of Tux's face, which Edie, I know, appreciated and thought was a very sweet touch. A week before we took him to get his fitting, he wore this sweater that mimicked a tuxedo with a custom bedazzled bow tie and a top hat, which was giving very Liza Minnelli vibes.

5:06For the after party, we had a beautiful three-tiered cake made with dog-friendly ingredients like peanut butter, sweet potatoes, mashed potatoes. Unfortunately, none of the humans got to try the cake because we did the cake portion of the shoot at the very end. So we kind of were just too tired at this point to let the dogs just go in on the cake. And after it, no one really wanted to try the cake because we couldn't really keep track of what parts the dogs liked and not. He ate the cake. He was the one that loved the cake the most out of all the dogs. I had to separate him two times because I did not want him to eat too much of the cake.

5:50Wedding day was a very happy day for him. He got to burn off a lot of energy, which is also helpful when you have a Dalmatian. He came home and went straight to bed at 4 p.m. I have heard that the dog business, you know, the pet care business is a very lucrative industry. So I'm like, why not? This is kind of fun. And like, you know, besides having to be near the so many dogs, I think I can do this. And maybe my starting rate could be like a million dollars or, you know, whatever the real wedding planners are charging these days. So, you know, if anyone's interested, I'm here.

6:30This is The Run Through. I'm Chloe Mal. And what you just heard was testimony from our first ever doge wedding, where the bride licked the groom, they exchanged woofs, and in lieu of throwing rice, they threw kibble. Wow. You may now sniff the bride. That's good. Thank you. Today on the podcast, we are sharing a conversation between my co-host Nicole Phelps and Roger and Maurizio Padilla to talk about their forthcoming book, Jean-Louis, Hollywood's Bombshell Designer. But before we get to that, we are all in on our Doge covers, which launched today. And here we are to chat. Doge and all Doge inner workings.

7:17How the Doge sausage gets made. Oh, God. The hot dog gets made. There you go. We have Doge, Czars, Florence O 'Connor, and Hannah Jackson. Welcome to the show, ladies. Thank you for having us. What was the biggest Doge challenge this year? I think Doge gets a lot easier to sell year after year because the first year everyone's like, what do you mean? Yeah. You want to do Dog Vogue? But now that we have some really great past examples, I think getting the talent involved feels a lot easier. But I do think the staff has never been more divided than with Doge in picking our Doge contest cover winner.

8:02Yes. Last year was very intense when it came to picking our winner. Alliances were formed. Friendships were ruined. I know. And it took us a year to reform those friendships, and they were tested again this year. It's true. We did not learn our lesson from last year, it seems. Absolutely not. But I think we're all happy with our winner this year. I'm very excited about our winner, Sir Spud. Sir Spud, he's a beautiful Italian greyhound who has a very dashing pose and is making direct eye contact with the camera. For me, Sir Spud's winning quality was his eye contact and his beautifully crossed limbs.

8:41So graceful. So explain what we were talking about. What is the decision that rocked the Vogue office? Well, our second time doing this, we have an open call to cast a Dogue cover for anyone who is a fan and a reader of Vogue. We do open casting on the Vogue app. It is open for a week, and we got thousands of entries, as we did last year, and we narrowed it down to 24 finalists. And then yesterday we picked our final winner, and that winner will receive a full Dogue cover. and write up on Vogue.com. It's very exciting and people get very passionate. They really do. Hannah, can you explain the concept of Dogue to our listeners?

9:21Yes. So around three years ago, we were kind of scrolling through the archives and found old Vogue covers from the 1800s with dogs on them. And around the same time, there was a lot of discussion around celebrity dogs in the office. I was personally very passionate about Demi Moore's dog, Pilaf, the microchihuahua, who was one of our first doe cover stars. So from there, we decided, you know, Chloe spearheaded this initiative to profile celebrity dogs. And this is our third year running celebrating the celebre-doges. And now we've expanded to, you know, all doges. So, you know, all of our submissions on the app.

10:01We do a lot of supplemental content with pet psychics we've done in the past. This year, we have the World's Ugliest Dog Contest. We shot dog walkers. Dog walkers in New York. Dog walkers in New York is a really exciting... Yes. Chloe's been very passionate. Been very passionate about these dog walkers because this is, to me, a really iconic New York thing to see very talented individuals walking up to a dozen dogs at a time, which, let me tell you, Lloyd Albert could not handle this. So I'm very impressed with the Sphingali-like quality of some of these dog walkers. And Peter Fisher really captured some great dog and walker essences.

10:41And Anna Grace Lee was scouting and casting these dog walkers all over multiple burrows. So I'm very excited for that. There's a Afghan hound in Edinburgh who I've been following for a while who has just the most beautiful hair. And as Mark Holgate, who wrote about her with great elegance, noted her similarity to Mirella Agnelli's Aqualine neck and nose. It's a real celebration of fashion, too. Like, it feels very Vogue-y. We have dogs and their accessories also. We have staff dogs. We have dogs on the subway. We have Hannah LaFollette Ryan, who shoots, has a popular Instagram account, Subway Hands.

11:26And we've worked with her before with front row hands. and we had her photograph subway dogs. And there are some great large canines on the C train, let me tell you. We have a very exciting lineup of celeber dogs this year from McCall Bridges, who we all clocked at the ticker tape parade walking with his dog, Sunny, is one of our favorite Knicks. So we're very excited to have him and he looks so handsome with his dog. And Charles Melton with his dog. Millie Bobby Brown was photographed with her dog Winnie, which everyone loved. Lena Dunham's dogs are Cornichon and Cornichon Ingrid Dunham, who are really—I like a peak scraggly dog.

12:16And Cornichon really checked that box. And last but not least, Bad Bunny's dog Sansa we're really excited about. because Bad Bunny took great ownership of the creative direction of this shoot and was very inspired by a popular image of dogs eating, which everyone will see revealed. Florence has really masterminded the Vogue staff dog shoot. I kept noticing that there are more and more chic dog accessory brands. There's really chic dog beds happening. everyone from small brands like Raja Doggo block printed beds to the Six Bells collaboration on their dog beds to Hermes and Vuitton. Everyone's making a fancy dog bed and we thought why not make some of our own dog products and also photograph our favorite staff dogs lounging on them.

13:18We have a lot of dog beds currently piled up next to our desks. We've got a mound of dog beds. It's true. It'll get all cozy. Absolutely. We have had some people eyeing the Hermes dog bed, but we told them it must go back. One of our staffers, who I will not name, decreed today that she could fit into the Hermes dog bed, which is small. I have a guess. Yeah. It doesn't take a lot of detective work. But I would like to see her try. Florence, tell us about the dog collaborations we undertook this year. Yes, this year we wanted everyone to have a piece of doge. So we collaborated with three very exciting brands.

13:57We collaborated with Alex Mill on their iconic tote bags that are seen every day in the Vogue office. And they now say doge on them, which is very cute. And we have little keychain treat holders. Poop bags. Poop bag. Poop bag holder. Poop bag holders. Shall I reveal? We also did a collaboration with Jake Frew, who made beautiful doge caps and also very, very cute doge dog sweaters. Their classic roll neck sweater in doge size. Striped. They're very, very cute. And then we have a very beautiful doge dog bowl from the London-based ceramicist Henry Holland. That is very chic. I know. I love this.

14:34Laura Ingham was really excited about that bowl. You can keep that one. Lloyd doesn't know how lucky he is. Lloyd is the real beneficiary of doge. It's so true. Although he's on any shoots. I know, he can't handle it. And there's only a limited quantity of each, so get them while you can. The run-through will be back with Nicole Phelps and the Padilla brothers.

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15:40Every day has side quests, taxes, laundry, birthdays. And just when you're leveling up, you have to book a doctor. The insurance portal crashes. They put you on hold. Your doctor doesn't take your plan. Game over. We see you. So we made booking a doctor easy. Download ZocDoc. Search by specialty insurance and availability. Book instantly. No cheat codes required. Find a doctor you love with ZocDoc. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects.

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16:43Jean-Louis, the man behind Rita Hayworth's gravity-defying Gilda dress and Marilyn Monroe's nearly nude, spangled, happy birthday, Mr. President number, is the subject of a new book by my old friends Maurizio and Roger Pediglia. Before they sat down to write it, they watched all 188 movies that Jean-Louis did the gowns for, a task they likened to a history lesson of the 20th century. So not only do they have all sorts of juicy factoids about old Hollywood, they also have many, many movie recommendations. You'll want to take notes.

17:24How did you decide to do a deep dive on Jean-Louis? Roger and I, when we were little, like, saw on TV Marilyn Monroe, you know, running across the stage at Madison Square Garden. And she was, like, all sparkly with the big hair and the huge curl. And we became obsessed. And then we started, you know, researching to see who did this. And, you know, back then there wasn't internet. There wasn't, you had to go to the public library, look through microfiche and old newspaper clippings. And we saw in one that it was Jean-Louis. So then eventually we started looking at all the different movies that he had done.

18:03And we sort of became obsessed with him because he was different than most costume designers. He was like the Bergdorf Goodman of costume designers. What does that mean? Bergdorf Goodman is a famous department store in New York City. I think Jean-Louis, the difference with Jean-Louis and other designers that are really famous, like Edith Head and Travis Banton, is that he actually came from a fashion design background. He worked at the couture houses of Vandome. Then he moved to America and he worked at Hattie Carnegie, who was a huge ready-to-wear designer. And at Hattie Carnegie, he worked alongside Norman Norell and Claire McArdle and all these people that are really the pioneers of American fashion.

18:50So he really brought that into his work. And you could really tell the difference. In his time, women would copy Jean-Louis designs from the screen a lot more than they would a Travis Banton, which would be impossible because who has that much mink and sable and beets? But he had almost a more approachable way of design that women would really copy. So his designs, while glamorous, were rooted in American sportswear practicality? Yes. Yeah. And he, there was a refinement to it. There was more of a simplicity to it. But that simplicity always brought out the actress. And, you know, like when you look at Gilda with Rita Hayward, she's not, you know, he didn't reinvent the world.

19:44It was a strapless black satin dress. And that dress became his most famous dress. Well, I think it's really extraordinary, even beyond costume design with fashion designers, to have two of the most iconic dresses in pop culture history, arguably, you know, the Gilda dress and the Meryl Monroe happy birthday dress. It's really extraordinary. Let's start with the Gilda, because that one came first in the chronology. I was reading in your book that while it looks quite elegant and almost simple from the outside, on the inside there's a lot of mechanics going on. So he didn't want her popping out while she was dancing.

20:30And it really was engineered perfectly on the inside. Well, she was also, she's pregnant when it happened, when they were filming. So the bow that's at the hip was an afterthought. It was actually meant to conceal her little bump. But along the top, he actually molded plexiglass and created this like crazy plastic internal structure. And if you watch it, you think that dress is going to fall because it's a strapless dress. Her arms are up. She's, you know, moving around like crazy. Dancing wildly. Yeah, uncontrollably. And you're like just sitting there looking and waiting, and it never happens.

21:15I actually did look at it over the weekend to prepare for this. And I think I saw like a fraction of a second where you can see a little bit of the, you know, just the inside, like whatever is holding it up. Of the plastic. Yeah, and I guess, you know, it's pre-CGI days. They couldn't get rid of that in post. That dress, it's actually interesting. um after gilda and that dress became sort of a sensation that scene became a sensation um harry cone who was the head of columbia pictures took the dress and any starlet that he thought you know was going to be his next discovery the way he had discovered you know reed a hayworth he'd make them put that dress on if they did not look good in that dress he would not hire them And there's a long list of actresses that were about to go under contract who later became famous at other studios, but they didn't quite work in that dress.

22:16So Harry came out. Kim Novak told us that in John Louis' costume department room, he had a whole rack of the Gilda dresses. And that's where everybody had to go through, put it on, and see if they passed the test. Okay, so I've got to hear about the Kim Novak interview because she has written the forward to the book. Yes. I wrote her about 50 times, and I couldn't get through. And I was ready to give up, and then I wrote one, you know how I harass people until they give in. And eventually, I just wrote one last email saying, listen, this is super important. You're one of the three people alive that knew Jean-Louis.

22:57Is there any way that you would consider this? And then I got an email from her web designer because she has a website with paintings that she sells. And she said to me, she's like, listen, I've been sending all of your emails to her manager and he doesn't want her to do anything. And she said, but I sent your email, this last one, directly to her. And she said, and she wrote me back. She called me back right away and said she would love to do it. I'm like, oh. Thank God. Bless the web designer. Thank God. Yeah, exactly. Hannah, we love you. And then Roger and I set up a time to talk to her. She called us.

23:37And at first, you know, she was a little nervous and she didn't really know us. But then, you know, we just started gushing, you know, and talking to her and saying funny stuff. And she was on the phone with us for almost two and a half, three hours. So Kim Novak, for those who aren't aware, is a famous actress from the 50s and 60s. She was in Hitchcock's Vertigo. She was in The Man with the Golden Arm. What movies did Jean-Louis make costumes for Kim? Lots. He did Pal Joey, which was her, Rita Hayworth, and Frank Sinatra. And it's kind of an important movie for the Columbia history where they're anointing Kim Novak as the next Rita Hayworth.

24:24And in that movie, Frank Sinatra is trying to make a decision between, you know, the established showgirl and the ingenue showgirl to go into his act. So it's very meta with what was actually going on at Columbia. Another one was Bell Booking Candle. and that was the first time that, well, actually it was the second time that a witch was, you know, shown as being beautiful and not, you know, with a huge nose and a pointy hat. It's the inspiration behind Bewitched, actually. It's a great movie. I think Asher, I believe was his name, the director of Bewitched, said that after he saw Kim Novak, he got the idea to do Bewitched.

25:06And so what did Kim say about Jean-Louis? They had a special relationship And the way he designed was unique, I guess, in her experience, right? Yeah. I mean, she said that she was always interested in design before wanting to become an actress. So she would go into his room and she would hang out and she would go through the clothing and the patterns. And he would fit things on her all the time. And she said at one time she opened the door to go hang out with him. And Marlena Dietrich was standing there in a bra. And he was making her a souffle bra, which is the same fabric as Marilyn's dress.

25:47And Dietrich wanted something sheer that would still hold her up, but give the illusion of being naked under the dress. And Kim and her hit it off and started talking, oh my God, this bra, blah, blah, blah. And then the next day, she said that she got a box with over 80 bras sent to her from Marlene Dietrich saying, we thought you'd love to have these. And then Kim said to us, she's like, yeah, but in those days, I didn't need a bra. But it was actually really great because she was so knowledgeable about fashion and clothing. we talked to a couple of other actresses that were outfitted by Jean-Louis and they just kind of showed up got fitted but Kim Novak really had a hand and worked hand in hand with him and like Mauricio said when she wasn't doing a movie and she was just at the studio lot she would go and hang out with Jean-Louis just to watch him work on other actresses so she had a really good understanding of the design process and how he worked.

26:56So thank God we got her for this. Marlena Dietrich was also famously exacting, and she loved Jean-Louis. She did. She loved him so much, and I don't know if it was because he was French or he had that aesthetic, but she went after him to do her dresses for the cabaret show, and Harry Cohen did not want to give him up. There's actually a lot of folklore, and we don't know what's really true, but we do know that she got her way. And Jean-Louis was excused from, you know, exclusively working at Columbia to do these costumes for her cabaret shows. And they were quite advanced at the time. This material is—I was reading it, and I thought it was souffle, but it's souffle.

27:44And it's no longer made. It's highly flammable. Be careful. Be careful, ladies. But it's a very, very, very thin silk. And what you can do with it is you can sort of mold it onto a dress form with steam and it holds its shape. So it's almost like the original power net. Like if you think about those Azadina Laya power net dresses that, you know, suck you in but were completely sheer. It's a version of that. But even like the Marlene Dietrich dresses or the Marilyn dresses, they took about 50 to 60 layers of souffle and they're completely sheer. So it's a very, very delicate material, but it's also very, very strong.