Savannah Miller On The Joys and Misconceptions of Being Pregnant at 47

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0:42This is The Run-Through. I'm Chloe Mal. And I'm Choma Nardi. Choma, I love your August cover. These photos are so spectacular. Oh, God, sometimes. Sometimes it comes together, doesn't it? And sometimes you're just like, you just so, it's just, you never know. It's always kind of guesswork. Yeah. I was actually thinking about it this morning because I think it's very rare that you get a cover star at a moment in their career and a project and a photographer and a stylist where it all comes together. Like she's at this moment where she's just becoming a real like megastar. And so she you can sort of you could mold her a bit, but we were excited about it.

1:27And it's a project that has such great costumes. And so you could speak to that. And Sylvester did such a great job with it. I just thought it like everything like the planets aligned. Oh, and the fashion was so beautiful. I will have to give all credit due to Daisy. I've been wanting to do Daisy for a long time but I just wanted to wait for exactly the right project and this was it but she Sylvester was kind of like at the top of the list of photographers she wanted to work with oh interesting yeah so it really started with that and I think he was the perfect person to bring this kind of costume drama to life and then Tabitha did such a fantastic job and Sylvester's really a fashion nerd so working with him alongside Tabitha they both you know I remember we had many conversations there was a different he wanted to have a belt we had there's a the look on the cover I mean this is getting really super granular but bear with me the look on the cover is is Louis Vuitton it's quite it's very it's it's talk about face framing she's where she has this huge collar that's framing her face that we had to prop up because actually it didn't sit up naturally but that's behind the scenes stuff and he initially wanted her the dress to be kind of constrained by a belt and he was very specific about this and i was like it's gonna look like a straight jacket like i cannot have a belt like this kind of like belt reference and so we sort of negotiated and collaborated and we ended up with a ribbon which i think looks really it's so beautiful but that's just how in the details he is every shoe every piece and then the fitting sheets he basically measures up the size of her body and makes these they're almost like kind of dolls on the floor like silhouettes of the they're almost as beautiful as the pictures honestly like you could you could we could publish a whole story about the fitting image so he's I've never worked with a photographer who has quite such an intense process interesting I love his work yeah he's quite a character for a while yeah he's a he's such a character and he's a real fashion nerd and halfway through the shoot was just like it's been my dream to work for vogue and it was very it just felt like yeah everybody came together to make this kind of special and it feels special yeah jaw-droppingly beautiful and she's been she really wanted to do and i mean there's a very adorable video coming out I think maybe it's today actually that she did a 24 hours video which is her completely in character which is hilarious as an Austen heroine but navigating in the modern world which is pretty funny and then she wanted to do an event to celebrate it and we have these miniature versions of the set at the event and she's been very hands-on so many of the cast are coming her co-star George McKay and Esme Cree, her co-stars Esme Cree as well.

4:26We love Esme. So I know I was like, I need to sit next to Esme. So I'm sitting next to Esme, which is an opposite Daisy, which is great because we were both hosting. So it'd be really fun. I'm excited. I have called in because everything is very in the spirit of the shoot. So I borrowed this wonderful Givenchy embroidered top that is like... Ooh, one of the like chinoiserie. Yes. Ooh, I'm so excited. Yes. It's totally backless, though. So I'm going to go home and figure out the styling because I don't know if I'm ready to go like that bare. But it's beautiful. And it feels the kind of just it's just heaven.

5:03You know, it's like this really soft pink with white embroidery. And it's just fabulous. Anyway, I love that. Those were my favorite pieces from Sarah's collection. It was just so beautiful. Those sort of chinoiserie embroidered. And they're all from vintage. vintage pieces that Sarah found. Wow. I'm very excited to wear it tomorrow night. So it's going to be fun. And Daisy was super involved. So we're excited to be celebrating the issue tomorrow. Also in your August issue, Choma, is Savannah Miller, a fashion designer and the older sister of actress Sienna Miller, who wrote a beautiful piece about being pregnant at the age of 47.

5:46And you chatted with her for the pod today. I am so excited to listen. Tell me a little bit what what she had to share about that. Yeah, it was such a it was such a lovely conversation. Honestly, Savannah has the same sense of humor as her sister. She came in. She she looked very chic. She she wore it was one of the hottest days in London last week. And she wore this crisp white shirt. She looked really great. But she's just like, let me tell you, being pregnant for the third time has been difficult. She's just like, it's a different experience in your 40s. And she was pregnant in her 20s, you know, and then again.

6:26So she has quite an interesting perspective on it. And we were talking about what it means now to enter the chat as a mom in your 40s versus then when like the yummy mommy scene was just becoming big and how much parenting shifted. Oh God, I forgot about that disgusting phrase. I know. she talked about her working at alexander mcqueen and she she just you know adored working there and was so inspired so she had a lot of good stories so i'm excited for you to hear it um well i can't wait because i i think that she's a great sort of control experiment of comparing what it's like to be pregnant with 20 years difference in between um trauma what's what's happening this week in london i know i mean everybody i know i mean i mean world cup fever has gripped the nation i think you have to say what time exactly we are having this conversation because it's very important this time a critical time my my palms are literally sweating because in less than three hours england will face off with argentina there is a long rivalry and i think everybody on the in the world is on england's side i mean i'm just saying that but i think everybody is because nobody wants Argentina to win this.

7:38We need to win this. And Jude Bellingham has become such a huge star. And everybody is obsessed with him. The people are hosting Jude Bellingham lookalike competitions. He is so, I mean, he's beyond being... Are people playing Hey Jude across all the pubs? Hey Jude! I mean, literally on Saturday night, I went to watch the game. Actually, none of my friends wanted to watch the game. So I was just watching the game and they were having the dinner party. But I was so committed. and you could just hear the just as I was driving through London because I got you know me I fall asleep it was probably like 1am I need to get home before the uber prices spike so I was driving through London and you just had ripples of cheers wow just like I cannot wait I think I mean they're already talking about what a victory parade would look like and when there would be would be and the PM Keir Starmer is is dangling this carrot that we might get a bank holiday if England wins so So the mood here is at an all-time high.

8:38It must be similar to what it must have been with the Knicks. But we still have a little ways to go. And I am very, very nervous and really hopeful that this will pull through. So let's just see what the result will be. But I'm very excited to watch it. To be clear, listeners who will be hearing this on Thursday morning. I know. It is 12 p.m. New York time. And England will be playing in three hours. So this is all very, very, very stressful. A lot of our British colleagues in the New York office are wearing their British jerseys today. And I actually know of one British colleague who worked from home because she was too anxious to come into the office.

9:22Are you kidding me? I love it. It's got to be somewhere in the office. They've got to put it on somewhere. well speaking of sports I mean did you tune into that fantastic Wimbledon men's final it was epic Yannick Sinner who I'm obsessed with who seems like the best guy I love that he thanked the the ball kids the ball girls and boys because he just played spectacularly I saw Zverev at the French Open and he's good but I'm there's just something about Yannick that I love he just seems like a real he's very charming I know it was a while ago now Choma but I feel like I haven't heard about your Wimbledon event.

10:00It looked so chic and I loved your suiting look. I feel like I never see you in suiting. I, you know what? I love a suit. I have a couple of vintage suits that I love and I love a three piece suit more than anything else. So I lucked out because Ralph Lauren have this amazing white linen suit that they gave to me, which was great for the event. we did it with with ralph lauren and i had the most fantastic seatmate tom hiddleston who is an absolute tennis expert and the most charming man yes he told me he broke down everything so any kind of trivia i needed to know i mean anything that you need to know about tennis he knows he's he's he's an expert and in cricket too i mean probably all sports but it was great sitting next to him it was fab um but wait the hamptons what happened in the hamptons tell me nothing happened in the hamptons i just uh like once a summer i go and stay with my sister in east hampton and it's like a lovely little family reunion where i get to see people i don't always see and um we had so much fun i love taking my kids to the beach now it's like finally i feel like we've hit the tipping point where they actually are fun to go to the beach with and not annoying because they can enjoy the water and don't complain about the sand.

11:25Although Arthur still told me that he hates sand between his toes. I was like, okay. Oh my God. The little prince. He's so cute. He's so adorable. And yeah, I mean, it is, it's just being in the Hamptons is a fascinating sociological, anthropological endeavor. Like walking around Amagansett at 10 a.m. on a Saturday morning, it's just hordes of taut, thin women in aloe. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Going to and from their various Pilates core classes. Oh, my God. I went to EMS this morning. I'm addicted. Oh, my God. Isn't that amazing? I went to see Darcy. Darcy, who's kind of like the queen of EMS.

12:09She really is. That's so fun. I actually did it yesterday. Did you? Mm-hmm. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to go and I'm in New York next week. Oh, my God. Do they have EMS in New York? Yes. Barry does it. Oh, wait. Let's go together. Yeah, let's do it. I'd love that. Okay, let's do that. But you'll probably go at the crack of dawn. Let's try. All right. Well, let's see. So, yeah, the Hamptons was very fun. I loved seeing everyone and being out there. and then I was very happy to leave because the road rage was real. People have a lot of opinions in the Hamptons about everything. Oh, my God. Mostly people in the Hamptons just complained about how many people are in the Hamptons, which, you know, I was like, well, now you have four less because we're leaving.

12:57How long was the drive back? We stopped at my cousin Frederique and Marie's house in Hampton Bays, so that sort of broke up the trip, but it was, you know, it was a good three hours. Yeah, it's quite far, but it's worth it. And you just feel rejuvenated when you get out of New York in the summer. It's too much. No, it's been such hot weather everywhere that I think anyone who can get near a body of water is very grateful. And then on Monday night, we had such a fun group outing. Sammy Tapper helped organize a Vogue visit to the Gotham Food Pantry and we unboxed. We actually helped deliver and hand out 18 ,000 pounds of donated food, rescued food to Food Insecure New Yorkers.

13:50So I was excited about that and it was really nice to do that as a group. And Gotham Food Pantry is an amazing organization. So it was exciting to be part of that. And tonight Michael Kors is having a cocktail party in honor of the new American LGBTQ plus museum that Michael is very involved with. So excited about that. And sort of the vibe. Oh, and I mean, I'm seeing the Odyssey on Friday, opening weekend. I know. Oh, shoot. I have to go when I'm in New York. I love it. I love like a blockbuster movie. Totally. And it's sold out places. It's really exciting. Yeah. Are you going to see it in IMAX?

14:39Or do you need to see it? I guess you need to see it on a big screen. I'm not seeing it in IMAX, but yeah. IMAX can be overrated. I don't like the 4D. That's terrible. I hate it when the chair moves. I just saw Minions in IMAX. It was great.

14:56Choma, what? have you been up to this week? Well, gosh, I've been up to a lot. A lot for me anyway. So on last night, I went to a secret show that Charli XCX did. And that was actually my first Charli XCX show, which is shameful because I'm obsessed with her. And she was so good. She's such a rock star. And she played some of her new material, which is very rocky and kind of rock forward i don't want to call it rock music but it is rock influence and i could barely get in to the room it was heaving with fans and it's a small it was a quite a small intimate venue it was very cool very rock and roll it was at scala place i used to go to in my 20s which was kind of like a big club venue back then and um she just she just is such a star yeah just so much presence and I'm not like I'm not someone who is hugely familiar with every word or every song or every thing that she's done but I'm a big fan of of hers especially since we we worked with her on that cover because she's just she just has so much star presence and I hadn't seen her perform and now I'm like oh I get it like I really really get it I I mean I think she brings so much from a fashion perspective but she's also just supremely talented so it was really great to see her perform And I feel like it was worth me, the granny in the room, just trying to hold on and fight through my discomfort of being like hot and bothered and sticky and sweaty, which, you know, is not my natural state of being.

16:31Plus, it was after 9 p.m., which is another hard thing for me. Oh, wow. I'm impressed. But it was a very like neat 50 minute show. So I was very pleased. We were out of there before 10 p.m. and it was fab. So I'm really excited to see, to sort of hear more from the album and sort of be able to sit with it. So it was cool. It was really cool. I'm very proud of myself for going out on a Tuesday night. I know, you know, that's not my vibe. Speaking of going out on a Tuesday night. Actually, I think the Ultimodo show was on Monday night, but Alta Sartoria was yesterday. the Ultimodo show looked spectacular I mean I was totally distracted by my other football crush who was Erling Haaland and him showing up with his girlfriend they look absolutely fab and all white although to be honest I think he looks he looked even better when he's like styling himself I totally agree I like him in his funny he like carrying a stuffed raccoon he's just so funny That was really one of my favorite articles we did this week was our crack reporting, noticing that.

17:45I know! Erlinghouse was walking out with a new Dolce bag and a stuffed raccoon drinking a bottle of whiskey. I was like, God, goals. He's the best. He's literally the best. Like, I feel like this World Cup has, like, rejuvenated me somehow. Like, all of the characters who have come out. I mean, I obviously loved him before, but I can't say I was an expert on him or his style. But now I'm totally immersed. I know. I didn't even know anything about him. I'm actually going to the final on Sunday. So I'm very jealous. I'm so excited. I know. Burying the lead. You waited until 29 minutes into this recording to tell me that?

18:27I hate you. Okay. I think we need to wrap this up, guys. Well, we don't know who it's going to be. I know. But I mean, regardless, it's going to be a total experience. What if I just keep... Argentina cannot win. Like, regardless. Every episode of the run-through, I just start singing, it's coming home. It's coming home. And it always seems to be relevant. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's major. That's going to be so fun. I know. I'm really, really excited. Also, Choma, not this weekend, but the following on July 25th, 25th, we have our Teen Vogue Fest at Dougal Greenhouse in the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

19:05And I am so excited. I'm talking to Joey King and Maisie Williams about Practical Magic 2. Oh, fun. And we have such amazing headliners this year. Anak is coming and Sadie Sink and it's going to air a star. It's a great lineup. So I'm very excited for that. Wow. I love Anak. I mean, she's going to be so, she's so good in conversation and Sadie Sink, people go crazy. I know. Like it's going to go nuts. It's going to be nuts. Tickets are still available. TeenVogue.com And we will be recording an Ask Me Anything episode very soon. We would love to hear from you. So listeners, if you have any questions for us, please send us a voice message or email the runthrough at Vogue.com.

19:50The Run Through will be back with my conversation with Savannah Miller.

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22:58I'm so excited to have you here with us, Savannah. Thank you for having me. It's such a pleasure. I don't know how you're coping with the heat. If you could only see what Savannah's wearing, she's like literally about to, I mean, you're how many months pregnant? I'm only 33 weeks and I should be not this big, but it's my fourth. So I think my body's just like, we know what we're doing. I feel enormous. You feel perfect. She's wearing a crisp white shirt with these really fabulous shorts. And we've been talking about how to wear shorts at the office. And I'm taking notes from Savannah because she looks great.

23:29What is it like, though, dressing for the heat? Because I feel like even just it's not something I'm used to in London. No. But adding a layer of being pregnant, how are you doing this? I mean, it's not chic. I was just going to say. Most of the time, I live out in the countryside, right? So unless I'm coming to London, I'm not really even thinking about it at this point. I'm just like floaty dresses the whole time or even a bikini in a sorority. It is hot. I love that. It's hot. And we have a stream in our garden. Yeah. So I'm just like, I'll just go and sit in there for a bit and cool down. But yeah, there's no formula.

24:05I think it's just like whatever fits and just try to make it coordinate with itself somehow. And how are you feeling in general? It's not the same being pregnant when you're older. And it's amazing. It's different in the energy levels way. I feel way more conscious now of the miracle of it and how extraordinary it is to feel this little human being moving around in my tummy. It's like wild because I really genuinely thought that those days were over for me, you know. My kids are 14, 18 and 21. Wow. Like I was out of the woods and I'm right back in the depths of the forest. But it's amazing. Yeah, and my energy levels just aren't the same.

24:47I was 32 by the time I had my third kid. I was so young when I had them that, you know, you just power through. And I'm a doer. I kind of love constantly being on the move and constantly working and charging from here to there and everywhere. And I just haven't been able to do that. So it's a massive exercise in surrender, which for somebody like me who has ADHD and whose brain is going the whole time is a real challenge, but a massive gift as well. because I'm like, actually, I just have to sit down. I just have to sit here and read. I just have to watch the birds in the garden and I just have to do stuff that I would never make time for normally that's really actually very nourishing.

25:29Yeah, I was very impressed reading how you were doing sort of trips to Tokyo, research trips to Tokyo when you were pregnant the first time around. I mean, it didn't even touch the sides the first time around. I was 26 when I had Moses and we were starting 28-12 and you're so basically essentially having two babies at once yeah and you just have way more energy in general when you're in your 20s and at the beginning of your career there's this hunger that's just unparalleled you know you you can't you've had no falls well I hadn't and there were no kind of pick myself back up again it was just like the world is our oyster you know it was the noughties.

26:11It was like extraordinary time. But I just think every opportunity in life and every kind of moment in life is for celebrating. And it's not the same, but it's beautiful. It's interesting that you talk about the noughties because I was talking about the different kind of the different era of parenting. And I feel like you may have entered into the chat when it was the yummy mummy phase first time around. And that whole movement was coming into play. how do you feel like because parenting styles seem to have changed and I think there is this idea that um I think there's just a different approach maybe that's been fueled by social media but like how does it compare coming into this idea of of of being a mother and the preparation that comes with it how does it look different for you and how do you observe it differently given that you've experienced it through different generations?

27:09Well, the first time I was so young, I was 26. I think I found out I was pregnant the day I graduated from Central Saint Martins. Oh my gosh. It was wild. And we had been trying, but obviously just, you know, a little bit clueless, very young and like, let's have a baby. And I just remember he was so, he was so chilled. I did a lot of like pregnancy yoga with Nadia Narain. I was obsessed with Gary Motha and I did the gentle birth method. and I was like I had no sugar no dairy no wheat you know I really I got stuck into the no I got stuck into the kind of really healthy pregnancy thing anyway and I always very much felt like parenting was first and foremost instinctual and it needed to be to bond with the baby and I had I was very fortunate I had a home birth with him and I felt very connected to my intrinsic kind of knowing as his mother and he I mean he was so relaxed as a baby that I could just I could literally just strap him on and carry on which was these people would come we did NCT and these people would come over for tea you know you'd like meet the people who you're on the NCT with who you literally have nothing in common with I think you need to explain what NCT is because I don't think they have that in the US okay so it's the National Childbirth Trust in the UK does these like preparing for birth courses.

28:27And so you meet women in your area who also kind of in a similar stage of pregnancy to you. And I was supposed to be the one who gave birth first in the group. I was the last one to give birth. So it was torture because I just kept getting these text messages going, oh, lovely Lola has been born today. And I just remember being like, oh my God, because he was 12 days overdue, my first baby. So that was kind of a battle in itself. But yeah, so they would come around with these muslins and these like harangued faces. And I just remember thinking, what are these muslins for? You know, my kid doesn't even, he was never sick.

28:59He just like lay there Googling. He was a dream baby. It was ridiculous. And then as the children progressed, we got more and more into reality. Because obviously my stress levels went up, which I think has a massive contributing factor to the well-being of the child. Or maybe they just come in that way. I don't know. But by the time I had my third, she was a ball of fire in the best way. Like she had so much passion. It's now turned into passion and drive and motivation, but she was quite an angry little creature who just screamed all the time when she was small. And it was difficult. But like we didn't have baby monitors.

29:34We didn't have any of this stuff now. So like when you say preparing now, I mean, I have this crazy monitor that has videos and it can check his temperature. And it's all kinds of crazy stuff that's going on just from a technological point of view. but physically I haven't been able to prepare in the same way because I don't have the energy to go and do a hardcore yoga class and I'm just resting and hoping that everything goes to plan obviously I'm 47 so I can't have a home birth these days it's not considered to be safe so I'm having to kind of adjust my expectations around what my birth's going to look like and just hope that I can kind of retain some of that peaceful, beautiful, connected time with the baby, however he comes out.

30:22It's going to be beautiful. One of the things that I was most moved by, as well as obviously your perspective on motherhood at different stages, was your love story. You know, for listeners who don't know, can you talk about you and how your husband Jim first met and how you two fell in love? Because that part had me in tears. Oh, bless you. Yeah, it was crazy. I remember I was walking with his sister. Sarah is one of my best friends. And I was walking with her in January and my marriage had broken down and it was really sad. And I was complaining to her about it and how awful it all was. And she was like, listen, I'm having exactly the same conversations with my brother.

31:01Don't worry, you know, you can just gas away. I completely understand where you're at. And I remember my ears picking up and thinking, I'm sure I met him and he was really gorgeous. But like, it was fleeting and then six months later cut to she has a barbecue and she set up this whatsapp group for everyone coming to the barbecue and it was just our close friends you know it was just supposed to be really close friends and family and i had my puppy my dogs and like i was i'd been painting the house i looked a wreck but i thought i'm just going to a barbecue with my friends like no big deal i'm not even going to change so i roll in and it was june in england which means rain and sun kind of on repeat you don't know which one you're going to get within the hour and so I was inside like fussing around and somebody said oh you must come outside there's a double rainbow come and see this rainbow so everyone went running outside and there was this I mean I've never seen such a crisp beautiful double rainbow in my life and standing directly beneath it was James with his tall black dog like sort of Heathcliff on the mountainside you know it was really amazing and I went up to him and I said oh hi how are you you know just trying to be really cool but thinking my god he's so hot and then he put his arm around me and he went hello darling and he pulled me in and I was and didn't let go and I was just sort of standing there going oh oh my god this is really awkward literally I haven't been in touch by another man for you know decades and wow um so I just sort of kind of gently eased myself away and then we just spent the rest of the day chatting and laughing he's so funny he makes me laugh like no one else on earth and it transpired that he had in fact not been planning on coming to this barbecue but he'd seen on the whatsapp group that i was going he had 20 people staying in his place in the north of england where he runs a wedding venue and he'd literally got in the car and gone i'm gonna go and see about a girl and he said that he had had his eye on me since a festival that he'd seen me at a festival called the glade which was like this crazy psychedelic trance festival that we all went to in the noughties.

32:56Sounds fun. It was so fun. I was actually five weeks pregnant at the time with Moses, my first, the irony. And he had, he'd spotted me and he'd said to his friend, I'm going to marry that girl. Wow. So it was just so sweet. And all the while there was me thinking I was the one who was kind of, you know, flapping because he was so handsome under the rainbow. But really, yeah, so it kind of feels like it was fated. And it's amazing having a second chance, really a second marriage and now a second chance to be making a family with somebody it really kind of blows me away that I've been that lucky because it's hard to find a second a second love you know and he was so accepting of my children like to the point where because he didn't think he was going to have a family so I mean that bit just makes me feel so moved because he really genuinely embraced my children with his arms so open wide.