The Moments That Defined 2024 Fashion

10 Dec 2024 · 42 min

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The Run-Through with Vogue: Episode Summary - The Moments That Defined 2024 Fashion

Episode Overview Title: The Moments That Defined 2024 Fashion Hosts: Nicole Phelps, Jose Criales-Unzueta, Laia Garcia-Furtado Release Date: [Insert Date] Description: In this episode, the hosts reflect on the significant fashion moments and items that defined 2024, alongside predictions for 2025.

Key Participants

  • Nicole Phelps: Director of Vogue Runway
  • Jose Criales-Unzueta: Vogue Runway Contributor
  • Laia Garcia-Furtado: Vogue Runway Contributor

Highlights and Key Discussions

  1. Recap of 2024 Fashion
  2. Nicole and her colleagues look back on the year's defining fashion moments and items, emphasizing collaborative efforts in compiling their lists.
  3. Laia focuses on "It items," while Jose highlights "moments," leading to a fun debate on the definitions and overlaps.
  1. Significant Fashion Moments
  2. John Galliano's Margiela Artisanal Show (January):
  3. Noteworthy for its cinematic presentation and innovative designs.
  4. Featured models performing in a rain-soaked atmosphere, creating a captivating experience.
  5. Discussion on the revival of movement directors in fashion shows and the significance of body diversity in model representation.
  1. Miu Miu and Prada
  2. Miu Miu's March Cover Star: Reflecting on the ongoing relevance of Miuccia Prada in contemporary fashion, especially her impact with the Miu Miu brand.
  3. The discussion also covers the luxury slowdown in the industry and Prada/Miu Miu's resilience amidst these challenges.
  1. Notable Debuts
  2. Shamina Kamali's Chloe Debut: A fresh take on the Bohemian style that resonated with nostalgia while recontextualizing it for modern audiences.
  3. Sean McGurr at McQueen: Initial challenges during his debut but improved reception in subsequent collections, highlighting the importance of celebrity placements in shaping perception.
  4. Alessandra Michele at Valentino: Explored the differences in his approach compared to Gucci, emphasizing a return to classic Valentino aesthetics with a modern twist.
  1. Controversial Moments
  2. The Row's Cell Phone Ban:
  3. Sparked discussions on exclusivity and gatekeeping in fashion shows.
  4. Social media reactions highlighted the irony of criticism coming from audiences using their phones to express dissatisfaction.
  1. The Rise of Pop Stars in Fashion
  2. Jose coined the term "Year of the Pop Star," detailing the influence of music icons like Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande on fashion trends.
  3. The way pop stars have embraced designer clothing on stage is reshaping fashion narratives.
  1. Emerging Designers and New Establishments
  2. Celebrating the achievements of emerging designers at events like the CFDA Awards, illustrating New York's dynamic fashion scene.
  3. Notable winners included Rachel Scott (Diatima), Willa Chavarria, and Raul Lopez (Luar), affirming the new wave of talent in the fashion industry.
  1. Predictions for 2025
  2. Discussion on potential shifts in fashion, including expectations for stability in designer positions and returns of certain styles like the midi-length pencil skirt.

Key Takeaways

  • Collaboration in Fashion: The importance of teamwork among fashion editors and contributors in shaping fashion narratives.
  • Cultural Impact: Fashion is increasingly intertwined with pop culture, driven by the influence of music and social media.
  • Emerging Talent: A vibrant landscape for new designers signifies a shift in the fashion industry towards inclusivity and diversity.

Conclusion The episode encapsulates a year of exciting transformations and pivotal moments in fashion, concluding with optimistic predictions for the future.

Production Credits

  • Produced by: Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma, Joanna Solitaro
  • Engineered by: Jake Loomis, James Yost
  • Mixed by: Mike Kutchman
  • Executive Producer: Stephanie Karaoke
  • Head of Global Audio: Chris Bannon

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0:07This is The Run Through. I'm Nicole Phelps. As the year comes to a close, it's time to look back at the best in fashion in 2024. I've invited my Vogue Runway colleagues, Laya Garcia-Furtado and Jose Criales-Anzueta, to break down all the fashion moments and it items that define the year. Welcome, Laya and Jose. Thank you. We love a hyphenated last name. We're really a two for one and I love it. Getting all the words in it. Well, Laia, you wrote about it items, and Jose, you wrote about it moments, I guess you could say. Tell us about how you approach these lists. How did the things that are on them make the cut?

0:48For items, it's really a collaborative process. Some feel very obvious. Like I think we had jelly sandals there. Jelly sandals felt very obvious. And then I think others you really need the help from like the fashion teams, from the market team specifically, because they have, like, I would have never thought to include the Alaya tackle bag. But that was, like, also a very obvious thing once I, like, looked into it. So it's really a collaborative process. And then there's only one or two moments where I have to check in with Jose to see if something is a moment or an item, which is kind of funny.

1:24You guys fight between each other. Sometimes. It depends on how passionate we are about... You both had Brett Green. Yeah, we both had Brett Green. Is it an item or a moment? Or neither. Or neither. It's a feeling. It's an essence. For moments this year, I did something different. So this is the third time that I've worked on this piece. And the last two years have been a lot about like, oh my God, like what? You know, like going back to what I posted on Instagram, going back to what we've posted on Instagram, what we've covered. This year, I did a notes app. So starting January, I started writing things down.

2:00That's how you know you've been here a long time. And listen, life comes at you fast, honey. And that's how I did it. So like obviously kind of like the middle of the year, I kind of forgot about it. And then it picked up back again at the end of the year. But that was really helpful to sort of write things down that felt like a moment in the moment as opposed to in hindsight. And then do a combination of those things, which was really fun, I will say. Preparation. Yeah. All right. We have a lot to cover. So we're going to start at the beginning, the first major fashion moment of the year. I think we all agree.

2:31came to us courtesy of John Galliano, his January Margiela artisanal show. As spectacular as fashion shows get, I have a very clear memory because I think I was doing something else. None of us were in Paris. We were all in the office and I was busy editing some other review from the couture shows. And you were both watching it on the live stream on your laptop. completely mesmerized, sort of yelling. And it was really a big moment, even at One World Trade Center. Yeah, Jose always puts the shows on on their big screen. We have like a laptop on a big screen and we put that on. And as soon as like Leon Day walked out.

3:14Yeah, it's funny because, yeah, I love a live stream of the show and I do that during Fashion Week just to sort of, you know, remind us at the office that it's still Fashion Week, that things are happening, that cool things are happening. Sometimes it's good for us to see them for the stuff that we're working on. And that one, again, it's just, it's a good show he hadn't done. Like his past, his right-to-art shows over in jail have been really good in the past year. So I was like, oh, let's see what he's up to. And it started in such a beautiful cinematic way. You know, it first started, the live stream started with a performance.

3:44And that was major. And I was like, oh, like, I wonder where this is going. And then, you know, I think they had pre-recorded this part. I'm not sure, but Leon Dame, who's one of our favorite models, started sort of his own performance going into the runway and dancing in this really, really, really tight corset. And that's like we were sold. And they were like outside of the rain. Exactly. And like under a bridge. And it just, you know, it became this really dramatic, exciting thing. Because usually before shows start, what live streams are showing you is, you know, the arrivals. And to me, that's a really funny exercise just to sort of see what people are wearing.

4:17But this was like an altogether entirely different experience. and it was major. It was crazy. And talk about what he achieved in terms of the clothes themselves. There were Merkins in the show. There were Merkins in the show. He had, because some of the dresses had the illusion of sheerness. Yes. And they also had sort of a padded, like he created a new body silhouette, very tight waist, very white hips. And I feel like there was, like the Merkin, which is a, can I say cooter on the podcast? which is a you know a cooter wig um helped because it was very much about you know fertility womanhood and not sort of whatever modern pubic hair trends exist this day so there were they had embroidered sort of the tool to create the illusion that the models were naked and it really just added something really sensual and spectacular to the clothes.

5:19Something else that's, you know, and that a big sort of topic of conversation around fashion this year was the idea of a movement director, right? And it started with this show that we started talking about how important it is to see models walk a certain way. I think, you know, it's something that has changed in fashion. Obviously, in the era of the supermodels, you sort of have this vision of like Christy and Linda, Naomi, Cindy walking in a certain way for different shows. And it's something that fashion sort of lost along the way. And this brought that conversation back. So that's something interesting to me.

5:53The second thing to Laya's point, there was an entirely fresh silhouette that was also based on models that were curved models, right? Like they were real bodies, which I thought was really exciting, like to see couture in this capacity. Also like the very viral makeup trend by... Oh my God, the makeup was amazing. Pat McGrath, right? Like the sort of porcelain doll vibe that immediately people picked up to try to see what was happening. But I think at large and the reason why this is our opening fashion moment of the year is because this was a show that was about fashion at its purest form, which is couture.

6:28And this is taking time. Like he took, I think, 16, 18 months to build this collection. But not just doing that, but it's weird, right? It's specific. It's niche. It's so strange. It's fashion, very pure fashion, but everyone was talking about it. Like it was, I think it was crazy to see people on TikTok, not even fashion people, just random people that had seen a video on social media perform in the same way as those models were performing. It was Halloween costumes like 10 months later. Like I think that's what it achieved. It like broke sort of that, that sort of glass, not a ceiling, right?

7:03But sort of like that window between fashion and, you know, everyday people. People got really excited about fashion at its purest form as opposed to fashion as celebrity. And it did it without gimmick also in a way. There wasn't like it wasn't a viral, you know, it wasn't a viral cast moment. It wasn't it was very like that was that's John Galliano, you know. So that's also really cool. Our colleague, our colleague, Mark Guaducci has the very funny story that he came back from Paris where he saw the show in person. the lucky guy, and got in the cab. And the cab driver in New York City knew about the Margiela Couture show.

7:40Moving on, we can't talk about fashion in 2024 without Mewcha Prada, who was our cover star. March cover star. A huge moment for Leia. A huge moment for me. That was a gift, I like to thank, from Anna to me specifically. What did it mean for you? Why was it so special? I mean I still I adore her so much and I think you know in her I think it is in her editor's letter that Anna says that that Mewcha is more relevant now than ever but in my head I'm like she's never like not been relevant you know that's just like she's just one of those icons that can I think her work continues to reinforce like her energy and her power it's not where the kind of thing where you're like well her collections in the 90s were so amazing that now we just love her for that.

8:33It's like every, you know, every season, every couple of seasons, she completely like changes the game. And that's really why, like, it's interesting too that I think the big sort of impact that she's had this time is because of Miu Miu and not necessarily Prada, which I think is usually how it's been historically. And I think something also, you know, in terms of industry that is worth mentioning is not just her impact. I mean, we see it on other shows. We've seen it, you know, in front rows. We've seen it in street style. Like people are dressing not just in Prada and Miu Miu, but in the style of, but also in the style of Mrs.

9:11Prada, which I think is really interesting. You know, she is sort of like this icon fashion matriarch in so many different ways. But in addition, you know, we're working on the Vogue business side. We were really looking at like this sort of widely reported luxury slowdown, right? And like Prada and Miu Miu are two brands that have been immune to this so far. They're actually in growth mode, especially Miu Miu. It's like those numbers are insane, right? So I think it's not just that there's an impact, a visual impact from Mrs. Prada. There's also like it's working. People are buying it. People are excited about it.

9:44People want to wear it. And it's undeniable. So I think it was really cool to sort of have that, you know, recognized with a cover. She had two of the best shows of this recent season, right? The Prada show with the very cool set that the models wound around this space and the crazy helmets. The helmet hats. Yeah. And all these models styled. That was spring 2025. Yes. And, you know, I was talking about this on social media, but all these models were styled kind of like in a very chaotic, very internal monologue kind of way. Like the kind of thing that you're getting dressed. Like you do have an internal monologue while you're getting dressed and it's so chaotic.

10:25And it almost is like when you find an outfit by accident, that's what that show felt like. And it felt so real because that's how so many people dress, especially young people dress on the Internet, which I thought was interesting. Which is ironic, though, because she was sort of talking about anti-algorithm fashion. It is very interesting. Breaking the patterns that we have gotten used to by looking so much online. Exactly. But it was like she didn't offer a formula. She like the formula that she offered was do whatever. Yeah. The formula wasn't like oversized jacket. Exactly. White shirt. It wasn't like it wasn't about the wardrobe basics.

11:06Take a shot. It was just about like the it's like your wardrobe basics or whatever is in your wardrobe. Yeah. You know. And I think again, you know, that's what's interesting. It's like that's what makes her such an enduring and influential fashion figure is that even while having the conversation about what we're trying to avoid, which is the algorithm, you're putting in evidence how algorithmically inspired we all are. And I think that's what was really interesting about that. And Miu Miu, Will Godin is in history as the show with Willem Dafoe. Willem Dafoe, yep. Close the show. He was in a Prada show way back when.

11:44He was in Prada fall 2009, I believe. 15, yeah. 2012, maybe? He looks just as good now as he did that. Yeah, it was like him, Aiden Brody. Willem Dafoe is so... That's a man, honey. That's a man. That's a man. You know who else had a huge year? Me? No, I'm joking. Shamina Kamali. Shamina Kamali, yes. I mean, her debut, and you wrote about this. I mean, you were about this for our story, Nicole, but her debut collection was one of those shows that you look and you're like, oh, something shifted here. You were waiting for the, you were waiting for Boho too. So listen, this is a funny thing because it sort of became, I wrote so much about Boho in so many different capacities this year.

12:32And it all started in February with her Fall 2024 collection, which was her debut show at Chloe. Shamina worked at Chloe in the past during two different times of her career. first with Phoebe Philo. And what I really loved about it is that when I saw it, it just, it took me back, but it also recontextualized me in a really interesting way. You know, I saw it and I was like, oh my God, Serena Vanderwood and Sienna Miller, Mary-Kinn and Ashley Olsen and NYU. Like I just, you know, I could name so many of these like references that a lot, and a lot of these cases these women were wearing Chloe or something related or inspired by, or, you know, what had inspired the looks in the case of Sienna who loved a vintage blouse in the early 2000s.

13:16But now it also sort of recontextualized Bojo into what it can look like today. And I thought it was really interesting also because, you know, so many of the trends that we discussed today start, not necessarily that the trends start on the internet, but the conversation starts on the internet. And in this case, it started on the runway, which was, I think, quite fun. So I wrote it, you know, when it first happened, then I wrote it again for the magazine for the June-July issue. and then I wrote it again for like looking back. You're our boho expert. Yeah, for 25 years of fashion. So like I've been boho reporting all year long.

13:49Yes. So there were other debuts this year and I've noticed both of you on social media have been talking about one of the designers who made a debut quite a bit, Sean McGurr at McQueen. Yes. So? So Sean McGurr, I had so much to say at the time of his debut. I have so much to say as an understatement of the century, but go on. One thing about me, Emma have an opinion. And I think it's really funny that now I have a job about having an opinion. You know, life just really works in mysterious ways. But it's been really interesting because, you know, Sean had a widely commented debut at McQueen. McQueen is an impossible job, not only because it's like such an emotional thing for so many of us, but also because it is like what is the spirit of McQueen is something hard to get at.

14:37Right. His second collection in September was better received, I will say. But what I've been really, you know, something we've been talking about online, but also just Laya and I just, you know, whispering at the office is that they've been dressing really cool people. And these really cool people look great in the clothes. Like Emma Corrin recently had a Nosferatu premiere in a beautiful yellow dress. Carolyn Polachek in another like really witchy willow-wee dress. yeah those clothes look really good on the red carpet. Even the menswear like they did a costume for Charlie for the tour. Like every email that I get from the McQueen people with like a celebrity placement I'm like oh that looks good.

15:21Yeah. And so now that we keep getting these like celebrity images I feel like I see a vision. Like it's all coming together. I think, and you know, I will say also, Sean attended the British Fashion Awards next to Carolyn Polnchek, and he looked great in the men's wear. He looked so good in the men's wear. And, you know, it was styled in a slightly different way. It was less slim than on the wrong way. So my message is more of that on the men's side.

15:52Okay, we're going to take a quick break.

16:00Thank you.

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16:47And we're back. Briefly, let's talk about another big debut of the year, which was Alessandra Michele at Valentino, which I was there for and I was there for. Yes, you were there for. I was really there for it. Yes. Actually, you tell us about that. I mean, the setting, the mysterious sort of dungeon of this sports arena dressed up like Granny's attic, the mirrored floor. All of my pictures from that show were very cool, so atmospheric. And being up close to those clothes, you saw the differences that the people who are watching online and who were very quick to say Gucci 2.0 really missed. I mean, even that show looked like couture in a way, the fineness of the materials and the details.

17:40And I loved it. I just thought it—I'm not a more is more girl in any shape or form in real life, but he made me want to be for the time span of that show. I love that. I feel like the Gucci comparisons only sort of like, like the Alessandro-isms that appear in Valentino, I think are very much styling based. Because I think when we got the first resort collection that had like 500 images, you could tell that the clothes, like I felt like the clothes were more ladylike. They felt like for mature women, for mature women, who is a Valentino customer? Like, to me, it felt very real. And then in the styling, it's like, oh, here's a funky shoe and a crazy sock.

18:28And we love it. But it felt like the clothes themselves, like the shirts, like if you took away sort of everything from around it, were very much not Gucci at all. They're very different. I think two things I would say is, one, I love the flamboyance. It's something I've always loved about Alessandro. The flamboyance, the opulence, the sort of extraness of it all. The more is moreness, I think, is something I relate to, something I love. I find it inherently queer in so many ways. And I think that there's so much value to it. That's the way in which Alessandro has changed fashion 10 years ago.

19:01So I think it's exciting to have him back on the fold. That's one thing. The second thing I will say about, again, the Gucci 2.0 of it all, is that it's just, I will say it lacks research when you make that argument, you know, when people make that argument. And the reason why is because so many of Alessandro's references were clearly related to that 60s, 70s Valentino from the beginning when he was a Gucci. So for me, this is more of a homecoming for his aesthetic because it looks like what Valentino looked like, you know, 50 years ago, but with the point of view of our gender bending, extraness, more is more-ness of today.

19:38And I think that's the volume in there. Yeah. Right. Changing gears. We want to talk about something that was quite controversial. the Rose cell phone band. My queens. This is hilarious. I love it. One thing about me, Mary Kay and Ashley Olsen can do no wrong. Love you down. If they have no fans, I'm dead. I've seen every movie twice. If I could afford the clothes, I would wear the clothes. Oh, Laya, explain exactly what the no cell phone band was. So, guests arrived at the show and they were told that they were not allowed to take pictures or basically a social media band. I think they could take pictures.

20:16They just couldn't share them, but no pictures. And they had a little sketch, a little notepad, and a Palomino Blackwing pencil, the chicest of all pencils. My personal favorite. Thank you very much. But it's like an iconic black pencil. It has a thick lead, very nice, replaceable eraser. It's truly like, it's the Ferrari pencils. She loves the pencils. Yeah, I really do. Is it the row of pencils? It's literally the row of pencils. And then people were so mad about it. Like, who do they think they are? Let's talk about who was mad about this. And I think this is what Nicole and I were laughing about this as we were writing this story, right?

20:55Because the people that were mad about this were the people online. Where were they mad? On their phones. On their phones. Listen, one thing about me, I love to hate it from outside the club. But I think that's what was really interesting, right? is that to me, what made this such a fashion moment is that the reason why we were also like puzzled by this is because we couldn't see it, right? We couldn't see it immediately. You had to wait for them to deliver the images whenever they wanted to deliver the images. Almost a week later. Yeah, because they shot them on print. So they delivered the images to us almost a week later.

21:26So that took a minute. Everyone was like, oh my God, why can't I see this? And of course, people love the road. They love those shows. So there was a big frustration with that. You know, there were a lot of comments on like how it was about exclusivity, how it was about gatekeeping. And like we can mental gymnastics our way into like agreeing with a lot of these things or disagreeing with them. But what I thought was really funny is that the row made people talk about like it was one of the most talked about the row shows because people couldn't see it and couldn't talk about it. And it was so people talked about it so much that they did it again.

21:58Jose, you wrote you called this year the year of the pop star. Why did you do that? Oh, my God. Listen, one thing about me, my Spotify wrapped. One, it's all women. Two, it's all pop. Yeah, it came out yesterday. In Spanish, in English, in French, girl, you name it, I listen to it. What was it? Pink Pop Princess Pilates? Pilates Strut, something of the sort. I don't know, Spotify and their sort of branding, hilarious. But I will say the reason why I called this, and I actually think, you know, going back to the run-through earlier this year, Liam has a nice book about this on the pod. And it is because this year has been jam-packed with releases by some of the world's biggest pop stars.

22:36I'm talking Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, Dua Lipa, Ariana Grande, Beyonce, Lady Gaga had two singles. And on top of that, there's been the rise of new pop stars, which I think is really exciting. You know, Sabrina Carpenter, Kyla, Chapel Rhone. Obviously, Charlie has been such a such a cool, if you know, you know figure for so long. And like now she really like her ascent has been crazy to experience and witness. Troy Sivan as an insight to that. Great album this year. But all this to say, that's why we called it the year of the pop star, but also because of the amazing things that they were wearing.

23:12Like it was, you know, Taylor Swift. And last year when we wrote about, you know, the pop star of it all, it was just about Taylor Swift and Beyonce because of the looks that they had worn on tour. Especially Beyonce, you know, she sort of made it now the norm to be changing looks for every single performance, which I thought was really interesting. She followed so many designers into her tour. But this time around, a lot of these next-gen but also established pop stars started doing the same. You know, Ariana performed some of her new songs at the Megala, actually, in the Margiela Couture collection that we were talking about.

23:45Sans Mirkin. Then, you know. It's a great drag name, Sans Mirkin. Sans Mirkin. Please welcome to the stage, Sans Mirkin. You know, Sabrina Carpenter has been wearing a lot of Ludovic the Sans Serena on stage. um tyla looks amazing and a lot of like you know my friend just put her in vintage gucci the other day for the cfda awards um chaperone has like such an interesting kind of like draggy style which has been exciting to see charlie we covered the tour um style by chris horan uh we covered the tour in vogue.com the amount of things that she's worn but every designer you know every designer like from rodarte to saint laurent to mcqueen you name it it was on stage and even to me that one One of the best moments was when Lorde joined her to perform Girls So Confusing at MSG in Madison Square Garden.

24:33And they were both in Matching Saint Laurent by Anthony Maccurello. Again, it was like, it wasn't only because it's a fashion moment, not just because they are pop stars and they wore clothes, but also because they wore really good clothes. Well, Jonathan Anderson has gotten a lot of accolades this year, excuse me. But I don't think anyone has called him the pop designer of the year. and I'm nominating him for that title because he had such a huge success with costuming the Challengers movie, right? You know what I think it's quite funny about this is that Challengers was not supposed to come out this year.

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25:09It was supposed to come out last year. And this is serendipity. And, you know, obviously because of the strike last year, Challengers was pushed to the beginning of this year. So Jonathan had two really big movies come out this year, two very exciting movies. people have been talking about them for so long, Queer and Challengers. The costuming specifically for Queer was incredible. He serves all vintage clothing for Daniel Craig and Drew Starkey. But on top of that, you know, he's been everywhere. Like last year, he was also one of the designers of the year, having dressed Rihanna for the Super Bowl, et cetera, et cetera.

25:44So it's really interesting. He also just signed with UTA. Yeah. So he has new representation on the Hollywood side. So we'll see what happens. But, Laia, you had one of your It items as part of... So, yeah, the I Told You t-shirt, which is a big part of the movie, which I finally watched like six months after everyone. She watched Challengers on the plane, y 'all, which is really chaotic. Well, I watched it on the plane because there was no one behind me. There was an adult woman sitting next to me. And so I felt that whatever... I love that you feel the need to remark that she was an adult. Whatever horny moments happen in the TV, I felt like she could handle it.

26:23She's an adult. It was fine. Yeah. And I knew that there weren't going to be any children behind me. Like, but also, you know, take it up with Delta. Thank you, Delta. So the t-shirt plays a really big role in the movie. I mean, obviously, it was so smart. They knew that Jonathan Anderson and the team knew that people were going to watch the movie. Yeah. And Zero in the shirt, which was inspired by a T-shirt worn by JFK Jr. before. Yes. And he just knew that people were going to, you know, go home to their DIY it. And so they just released it as a merch. And that's the thing that makes Jonathan such a smart designer, right?

27:00And like a pop culture, a pop designer, if you will, as you were saying, Nicole, is that there's obviously a clear understanding that this, this like Gen Z, younger millennials culture overall are obsessed with, you know, JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, their relationship, the things they wore. So by extrapolating this T-shirt that he wore in this specific moment, putting it on Joshua Conner, making it a thing, it's just so interesting. It's so smart. And of course, you make it merch. But, you know, I was actually, when I watched Challengers, Zendaya showed up at a movie theater and she was wearing the T-shirt.

27:36Yeah, everybody wore it. Exactly. It was great. It was, again, it was such a pop culture moment. And that's what he's so good at creating. we should speak about Dries Van Noten who gave us one of the most meaningful runway shows of the year when he signed off after many many decades actually as an independent designer so earlier this year I was joking that I had a big year it's because I was in the room I've been going to Paris for menswear to cover the menswear shows, which is amazing. It's such a wonderful experience. But on top of that, you know, his last show was in June for the menswear collections in Paris and I got to go.

28:23And it's just something that I will never forget. It was just my second ever Dries show. And this is just one of those things that I don't know, Nicole and I were sitting together just trying to, it was funny because we're trying to also like capture a video, but also just be there. But also, you know, I was tearing, like it was just such an insane experience. But I think what I liked about the show is, you know, we walked in, it started with cocktails. There were screens showing all of his past shows, his past work. He was walking around just saying hi to everyone, saying hi to all of the journalists and his fellow designers, including, you know, Heider Ackerman, Pierpolo Piccoli, Tom Brown, Andemiel Mister, Walter Van Buren, like you name it, they were there.

29:05And he was just there welcoming people in. And then the runway was revealed and it was like silver foil. And every time someone, a model walked, the foil lifted and there were specks of silver all over the air. But also there was an ephemeral kind of quality to it, right? That like you could see the passing of time every time there was more foil in the air. You knew it was going to end. And what I loved about it the most was that the collection was entirely forward looking. You know, it didn't feel nostalgic. it didn't feel and you know Nicole you can tell us what you think about this too because you were there as well but it was it was so great it was so graceful and it was just I loved you know very not it's not very often in fashion that we get to say goodbye so many in so many cases designers just kind of like from one day or the other they're like well I guess I'm not coming back next season you know and we just don't know until we know and this you know he gave us the opportunity to just be like I'm getting emotional just hearing you talk about it it was it was it was wild I I don't know how you played it.

30:06Yeah, it was beautiful, especially meaningful for me because 20 years or so ago, Dries Van Noten did a show with a gold foil runway, and it happened to be the very first Dries show that I reviewed. He is a designer who doesn't practice, you know, the 180 turn. There is a through line through his collections that have made them highly collectible for women and men. And we've all learned to love him over the many years, 38, that he ran his business. There was breaking news yesterday. with Dries' oversight, the house has appointed the 33-year-old Belgian designer Julian Klausner to step into the creative director job.

30:58And he is a designer who's actually been working alongside Dries since 2018. So it's a clear indication that the brand is pursuing continuity rather than disruption. His first show will be in March of 2025 for the Women's Fall 2025 collection, and we will be there. Very excited to see how he picks up the mantle. Dries gave us a beautiful goodbye in June at his menswear show, but we also paid a lot of attention to emerging designers, especially in New York. And that's something we always do, of course, at Runway, but it's a really great year for an emerging class of designers who are really not emerging anymore.

31:47They are the new establishment, I think. And both of you have written a lot about them. Yeah. New York, basically, I feel like for a year or that's I feel like last year was when I started harping about this. I can say harping because it's me where I was just, you know, every season in New York, they're like, oh, New York, there's no one here. It's dead. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, we don't say that. You hear that. No, yeah, we hear that. Yeah, no, no, we don't say that. You You hear people talking like this all the time. And I'm just like, I don't know what New York you're talking about because my New York is back, baby.

32:23It's so back as Colascola also said this year. But it's like we have we have Willie really consistently puts on one of the best shows. Willie Chavarria. Willie Chavarria. Like the whole season. Not even like in New York. We have Luar. We have Hakalina. We have Ekhauslada. We have a lot of like cool emerging designers that don't do shows yet that you just see by appointment, like Giovanna Flores and Lee and Zoe Wallen, Colleen Allen. And so there's actually a lot of great, great work coming out of the city. You just have to look for it. Yeah. And so this year at the CFDA Awards, it felt like Rachel Scott of Diatima, who doesn't do a show, but does a presentation.

33:13Basically, this year at the CFDA Awards, it was like everything that I was saying was I was proven right. It was confirmed. So, you know, the CFDA Awards, the four main big categories for designers are Women's World Designer of the Year, Men's World Designer of the Year, Emerging Designer of the Year and Accessories Designer of the Year. And the four winners, as Laya wrote for the site, you know, confirmed this next gen of the new establishment more than a next gen, the new establishment for American fashion. You know, Rachel Scott of Dutima won for Women's Wear. Willa Chavaria, who you can listen to my interview with him on the podcast if you scroll down.

33:51He won for Men's Wear. Raul Lopez of Loire won for Accessories. And Henry Zankov won for Emerging. Emerging. And what's really exciting about this is that it is the confirmation that this new energy that we've been feeling and then this excitement we've been having about all these designers is not just us, right? We're not siloed. It's like all of us together really do feel that there is something really cool and exciting happening in New York and the awards confirmed that. So New York is back. Yes. And I think we can't say this loudly or firmly enough in the moment we're living in that all of those designers are either immigrants or children of immigrants.

34:32Yes. Let that sink in, people. Yeah. And that's also the thing, you know, the reason why these designers are like the reason why they hit is the best way of putting it in fashion and in culture and in New York is because the stories that they tell are so individual and so specific. But specificity is universal. Right. And these stories, their personal stories, their stories of otherness, their stories of, you know, just being different altogether are what make us so passionate about their work because it makes their work so individual. More on the moments and items that define fashion in 2024 after the break.

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35:59All right. Speed round. Speed round. Speed round. Favorite show of the year? Oh, my God. Favorite show of the year. Drees, Drees, Spring 2025, Menswear. Closely followed by Willie Chavaria, Spring 2025. I'm going to jump in, Laya, while you think and say Undercover. Oh, yeah, you love the Undercover show. Undercover with his, June Takahashi's riffs on that Perfect Days movie by Vim Benders, which is a brilliant movie. It is a really good movie. I love that show. And if only he was producing those jeans. Yes. Oh my god, that show was amazing. I'm gonna, you know what? Maybe it was Bali. Love. By?

36:43By Simone Bieloti, who I'm obsessed with. So, speaking of weird. Speaking of weird. Like, he also, he started at Bali three seasons ago. And the clothes are weird, but not weird. And he does a unisex, a co-ed show. And the men and the women often wear the same clothes. and it's just like I feel like that's the kind of show where it's just like the stuff that you want to wear directional so you don't feel like you know it's not quite luxury wardrobe basics blah blah blah it's just like cool and weird so maybe actually I'm gonna go with Bali yeah I love Bali Spring 2025 and Undercover Fall 2024 by the way yeah Bali Spring 25 give me seasons people yes Bali Spring 25 next B-Round one more one more best thing you bought this year Oh, best thing I bought this year was a pair of Eckhaus Lada pants.

37:40They are brown lace. They are from the spring 2024 collection. They're brown lace and they come with a built-in. It's a built-in. They come with an extra half skirt that is detachable. I saw them on the runway, liked it, and I was like, oh, I'm going to buy those pants for my birthday. I turned 40 this year and I was planning my outfit basically since February. She looked great, by the way. Thank you. And I basically just went on a quote-unquote shopping ban, and then I bought them, and I've worn them a bunch. And it's just the lace pants. Like, it's so simple, but literally, it just, I feel chic.

38:18It's very elegant. I always get compliments. And so, that's the best thing I bought this year. I love. A golden lame barn jacket by Christopher George's for J.Crew. We love. What about you, Nicole? Well, barn jacket is one of the items of the year. Yeah, exactly. Everyone in a barn jacket. I think the thing I wore more than any other thing is a little snap front rib knit from Nicola DeFelice at Courreges. Love. If I could have that sweater in every color, that is the only thing I would wear. Which you can also listen to Nicole's interview with Nicola. One thing I mean, I'm a plug. We work really hard, y 'all.

38:56Yeah, we're also wired to always link back. Yeah, exactly. This is also like writer brain. This is kind of like SEO. yeah and you know I do want to give and Lai will agree with me on this and so will Nicole a special shout out to Colas Cola wearing Christopher John Rogers on a pink flamingo at the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade a star is born honey Colas Cola is my person of the year if you haven't seen Oh Mary yet you have about one month before Cole's gonna take a little break yeah and then Betty Gilpin is gonna take on the role hilarious of Mary Todd Lincoln But O'Mary is the best thing I've seen in Broadway.

39:35It's so funny. It's completely ridiculous. It's one of those things that— But it's so intelligent. People kept being like, you're going to laugh so much. And I'm one of those people that is—that, like, you know, I react. I'm like, no, I'm not going to laugh. I cried. I felt—I went through so many things. Amazing. Great. Again, specificity. Again, queer stories. And their passion sense. Every— Major. Every appearance is a fit. Yeah. Just like vintage, new, like clown costumes. Literally, actual clown costumes. Yeah, actual clown costumes. They wore a little like 50s golf set. And it all just works.

40:15It all just works. Shout out to Kola Skola. You can listen to Chloe and Choma speaking to Kola Skola. If you scroll down as well. So listen, again, see fashion first. All right, we have a little bit more time. So any predictions for 2025? a complete, huge, major fashion vibe shift and overhaul. I'm actually writing about this for Vogue Business right now, so stay tuned for January. But I do think we are in for a very interesting year with, you know, Peter Copping at Lanvin, Sarah Borner, Givenchy, and a lot of these moves that there's whispers of. Yeah, I just, my hope for us is that everyone gets a job and nobody moves for a bit.

41:02Yeah. Because the whole year, we've been living with pins and needles every day. Who's going? Where's going? Just trying to track who's working where. And we need a break. We need a break. All right. My prediction is actually just a plug to read Sarah Mower's review of Stella McCartney's pre-fall collection. She had a great conversation with Stella and Stella has a prediction that the pencil skirt, the midi-length pencil skirt, is coming back. I see it. I will agree with that. actually. I see it because it's very... Should I buy a pencil skirt? It's very... Yes. Absolutely. It's like very business casual.

41:38Remember business casual? Yes. Oh my god. Remember when we were wearing business casual at the club? We were talking about this. Okay, let's not bring that back. I did wear a vest with shorts to the club. That's right. If I can wear it with flats, I might give it a try. Of course you can. I'm not putting heels back on. All right. This is where we disagree. I love a heel. Oh, but you can remember all of those Mark by Mark. Another thing that was amazing shows in the early 2000s. It was always a little flat with a little pencil skirt. Maybe we'll all try it. Thank you, Laia. And thank you, Jose.

42:09This was so much fun. And stay tuned because we have an episode coming up soon where we're looking at the best fashion from the first 25 years of the century.

42:26That's it for The Run-Through. See you Thursday.

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From the publisher

On today's episode, Nicole Phelps is joined by Vogue Runway’s Jose Criales-Unzueta, who chronicled every single show, pop star fashion moment, and minor kerfluffle (no phones at The Row!) of 2024, and Laia Garcia-Furtado, who collected the shoes, jackets, and even the runway soundtrack that defined the year in a piece about its It-items. The three of them look back at 2024 and reveal some of their fashion predictions for 2025.

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