The Most Impactful Shows of the Century So Far (Editors' Choice)

16 Jan 2025 · 40 min

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Podcast Notes: The Run-Through with Vogue - The Most Impactful Shows of the Century So Far (Editors' Choice)

Episode Overview In this episode, the hosts from Vogue discuss the most memorable fashion shows of the past 25 years, contrasting readers' choices with those of the editors. Nicole Phelps leads the discussion alongside Laird Borelli-Persson, Mark Guiducci, and Virginia Smith, as they highlight significant collections and the influence of key designers.

Key Themes and Discussions

Recap of Readers' Choices

  • The episode begins with a recap of the Readers' Choice top picks, emphasizing shows that sparked significant reactions due to their cultural and nostalgic impact.
  • Versace Spring 2018: Notable for the return of supermodels as Donatella Versace celebrated the legacy of her brother Gianni, showcasing models like Naomi Campbell and Kaia Gerber. The collection signified a blend of nostalgia and contemporary fashion.

Highlights of Editors' Picks The discussion shifts to the Editors' Top Picks, revealing impactful shows not selected by readers:

  • Tom Ford's Debut (2010): An exclusive show with no photographs allowed, underscoring the opulence and secrecy of high fashion.
  • Alexander McQueen Spring 2020: Highlighted for its casting of rising models and significant cultural moments, including the inclusion of curve models.
  • Loewe Spring 2023: Jonathan Anderson's collection featured innovative designs that catered to the visual nature of social media, particularly Instagram.
  • Saint Laurent Fall 2023: Anthony Vaccarello's use of bold silhouettes and the empowerment of women through fashion.
  • Tom Brown Fall 2023 Couture: A dramatic presentation that transformed the experience of a fashion show into a theatrical event.
  • Bottega Veneta Spring 2023: Mathieu Blasie's exploration of material perception, where a leather shirt appeared as a flannel, showcasing the complexities of modern fashion.

Editors' Reflections

  • The editors reflect on recency bias in the selections and the different approaches to showmanship in recent years compared to earlier decades.
  • Virginia emphasizes the generational shift in fashion, noting the rise of Instagram culture and its influence on how designers present their collections.

Editors' Additional Picks

  • Balenciaga Fall 2007: A transformative collection that blended eclectic styles and influenced personal wardrobe choices.
  • Prada Spring 2008: Marked by bold artistic motifs and prints, this collection stood out for its whimsical and unexpected designs.
  • Rick Owens Spring 2014: Notable for the incorporation of performance art into fashion, showcasing the designer’s unique aesthetic and his broad appeal.
  • Celine Spring 2014: Phoebe Philo's return after a hiatus showcased her evolution as a designer, significant for its sophisticated yet wearable designs.
  • Gucci Fall 2015: Alessandro Michele's debut, which redefined the brand and shaped contemporary fashion aesthetics.
  • Balenciaga Fall 2016: Demna Gvasalia’s debut collection redefined luxury and workwear, sparking conversations around class and fashion.

Final Thoughts

  • The episode concludes with reflections on the importance of daring designs and how impactful collections often come from those willing to challenge norms.
  • The editors express excitement for the upcoming fashion season, highlighting the anticipation for new collections that push boundaries.

Key Takeaways

  • Fashion shows serve as cultural touchstones, reflecting broader societal trends and nostalgia.
  • The blending of past influences with contemporary design is a recurring theme in impactful fashion collections.
  • The conversation around fashion is evolving, with social media shaping audience engagement and expectations from designers.
  • The significance of a collection can often be measured not just by its aesthetic appeal, but by the influence it has on the industry and culture as a whole.

Production Credits

  • Hosts: Nicole Phelps, Laird Borelli-Persson, Mark Guiducci, Virginia Smith
  • Producers: Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma, Joanna Solitaroff
  • Engineers: Jake Loomis, James Yost
  • Mixing: Mike Kutchman
  • Executive Producer: Stephanie Karaoke
  • Head of Global Audio: Chris Bannon

This episode provides a comprehensive look at how fashion shows have evolved, the impact of designers, and the intricate relationship between fashion and cultural identity.

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0:04This is The Run Through. I'm Nicole Phelps and we're here with another special episode. Throughout December, the Vogue runway team did a roundup of all the major trends of the last 25 years of fashion. We did a year a day. It was a lot of work, and you can find all of it on the Vogue app and site. On Tuesday's episode, we went over the readers' choices of the most impactful shows of the century so far. If you haven't listened to that episode, I definitely recommend you go back and check it out before starting this one. Today, we are doing our editor's picks because there were important shows and impactful designers that did not get selected by our readers that no story about the last 25 years of fashion would be complete without.

0:45I'm joined again by Laird Borelli-Person, Mark Waducci, and Virginia Smith. Welcome. Hi, Nicole. Hi. I'm excited to hear about your picks. And again, I definitely recommend listeners follow along on the app and on the site to see the looks we're talking about today. But before we get to our own picks, we have to go back to the Reader's Choice list. They selected their top 25, and because of time, we didn't get to all of them on Tuesday. So at the top of this list is Versace Spring 2018, and I can guess why the Readers had such a big reaction to it. To me, it really is the beginning of the return of the supermodel.

1:26Donatella was celebrating the 20th or marking the 20th anniversary of her brother Johnny's passing. And she brought back to the runway some of Johnny's favorite models to work with, including Naomi, including Cindy. Helena Christensen was there, Carla Bruni. It was a great list of models. And even Kaia Gerber was there. So it was a mom-daughter moment. And the clothes were very much in honor and in like an ode to Johnny's collections in the 90s. And I would say not only was it the rebirth of the supermodel, but it was the beginning of this idea of re-editions and fashion being very open to revisiting the past, whereas maybe once upon a time people were more focused on it has to be new, it has to be new, it has to be new.

2:14Well, it was around that time that Google Trends said that nostalgia was the trend of the year, I believe in 2018. So I think this played into that, but it also brought it forward. It was forward and back because you had Cindy and Kaya. You had the prints, but not the exact designs. And I think there's a lot of longing that we've seen over the past few years for the 90s in particular. And it's not a fear of missing out because you couldn't have been there, but you still want it because you came up with it on Tumblr or Instagram or Pinterest. And so I think it's a really interesting dynamic where the past and the present are in constant dialogue.

2:582018, we're a decade into Instagram culture, more or less. And the idea that photo archives, which have been uploaded there and fed to us via algorithm, you know, the audience, a young audience would have known what they were looking at, both not just the famous faces, but also the prints. And that kind of visual remix was primed and ready. And Donatella, like her brother before her, is so clever at understanding where that pop cultural needle is on that. Oh, I'm glad you brought up Instagram culture, Mark, because the next show sort of has to do with that in sort of the reverse way. We wanted to put Tom Ford's eponymous debut for his label, which was in 2010, on the list.

3:48But at the time, I don't know if you all remember, he forbade any photographs being taken. I think he had one photographer there. He kept those photos for internal use. And everybody else, you know, who wasn't at the show, which was many of us because it was a very small show, were left to wonder what happened. It really was going back to Tuesday's show when we're talking about keeping things for the clients only. It was a very, very private experience. And the sad thing about it for all of us was Beyonce, Julianne Moore, Lauren Hutton all walked the runway. Also on the list, Sarah Burton's Spring 2020 Alexander McQueen collection.

4:28And Sarah is obviously very au courant because she has since left McQueen to take the job at Givenchy. I was happy to see this show on the list, the readers pick it. And in fact, Virginia, this is a collection that produced one of your recent Met Gala looks. It did. I wore one of those beautiful tailored looks with ruffles for last year's Met Gala. They were nice enough to let me borrow it. So I have a deep appreciation for this collection. And you're happy that Sarah Burton is returning to the spotlight, right? I'm very excited. I think we all are. You know, this is like kind of a quintessential Sarah Burton McQueen collection.

5:10It was nice to see it. But it's actually a really significant collection for its casting. it had a generation of girls that are now supermodels but they were babies then kaya and vittoria but it was also one of stella tennant's last shows um and it featured jill courtlove jill was exclusive to mcqueen that season and it was it's not that long ago but it was kind of a big deal to see a curved girl walk mcqueen at the time and the next season paloma walked that show And so it has a place in fashion history for that reason, too. And I remember Sarah gave away amazing sweaters on every seat that season.

5:50Yes, she did. With your little initials. Yeah, correct. Wow. All right. Loewe Spring 2023. No designer has gotten more press, I think, in the last year than Jonathan Anderson, thanks to his work with the director Luca Guadagnino and many other reasons. So it's a natural to have Jonathan on this list. And there's a number of looks. The Anthurium dress that is so graphic is one that comes to mind. But for me, it's that pixel look that Jonathan is so creative and fun and he's so damn smart. And that idea, I think, is one of his smartest that I implore everyone to go look at the picture. It's look 19 because you really have to see it to understand.

6:37But he knew what that look would look like photographically. And the effect isn't the same IRL if you see, you know, it's been in the office before as it is in the picture. And which means that that look wasn't actually about being in the room. It was about seeing it on Instagram or seeing it on Vogue runway. And he was making a meme. He was creating Internet content in real life, which is so brilliant. And I think that idea will continue to be influential, especially as Jonathan goes on. I'm glad you called out that look because I also love it. I'm kind of obsessed with glitch culture and music, hyperpop.

7:15But I love that it exists in the same collection with the Pantier dress, which opened the show. Pantier being the extended hips that women wore in the 18th century and then were revived in the early 20s. And I think that juxtaposition for me as an archivist is really beautiful to see the internet culture mixing with, you know, fashion history that's been updated. But I also think that maybe Glitch is one way to describe Jonathan's genius because it's always not quite what it should be. And that's why it's so exciting. It's kind of caught in the moment between what you expect and what it actually is.

7:56And I love that idea. The readers also selected Saint Laurent Fall 2023. This is the show where Anthony Vaccarello did the shoulders. I mean, bigger than football, American football shoulders, you know, inches added to your profile and your silhouette. And they became super influential, right? That shape. You know, Anthony has been, to me, he's just really, really come into his own the last few years at Saint Laurent. I mean, he was always good. He just mines a specific sort of area that he loves, and he does such an incredible job of it. And, you know, talk about women taking up space. Like, Anthony gave them the clothes to do that, and he continues to do, like, incredible collections.

8:42So I have a huge amount of respect for him and what he's doing there. Virginia, when those clothes came into the office, did you ever try on one of those jackets? I did. I felt like too big, you know, like I was just, I'm too tall, too big. Too much of me was going on for that. Same. I tried it on too. But it looks great for other people. I was like, I don't think I can pull this off, but I admire anyone who can. It changes your psychology though, doesn't it? It does. And the funny thing is this beautiful, sophisticated collection that speaks to Yves Saint Laurent's tailoring was inspired by Working Girl, which is, you know, Staten Island Ferry coming to Wall Street.

9:23Anthony is now multitasking as a movie producer and is having quite a good run with Amelia Perez, right? Sure is. So Tom Brown is another designer multitasker. He's also our CFDA chairman. And fall 2023 was his debut couture collection in Paris. He had shown there many times in the past, but this is the first time he joined the couture schedule. And Mark, I think you were there. I was there. I've been to a couple of shows that have taken place in theaters before. Opening Ceremony did one in New York, I think at Lincoln Center maybe. but Tom did this genius thing where we were all invited to the opera house in Paris which designers have historically shown that before but you usually enter through the front we entered through the back and you went backstage through the bowels of the opera Garnier and you were sat you didn't know it at the time but you were sat on stage and then when the show started the curtain came up and there were thousands of little cardboard cutout men.

10:36I mean, I don't know what they were made of, but little cardboard figures in each and every seat of the opera Garnier, little Tom Brown avatars. And so all of a sudden you felt like you were part of the spectacle. And it was one of Tom's, I don't know, it was probably a 40-minute show that had narrative and had plot points and probably motifs and supporting characters. Going to a Tom Brown show is like going to Broadway. You need to invest your time into a Tom Brown show, no? Yeah, it's like going to see The Brutalist. It's fabulous. The intermission might be necessary. Yeah, I think that it really is a moment where he is wearing both of his caps, his designer cap and his CFDA boss cap, and sending a message to the world and especially to Europe, which oftentimes, European fashion, which oftentimes disputes this or discounts this fact that American fashion can compete on the world stage.

11:37And definitely Tom Brown's can. Also the stage of the opera Garnier. No less. No less. All right. This is the last show that our readers picked, and it is Mathieu Blasie's Spring 2023 Bottega Veneta. And when Laird and I were making our selections for the poll, we had a big debate over doing his debut or this second collection, Spring 2023. And tell us, Laird, why you felt so sure we should use this one. I'm obsessed with this collection, and it inspired an essay that I wrote about the eye becoming an unreliable narrator in a digital world with AI and fakes. We don't know if what we see is real.

12:23And the tank and the jeans were marvelous, but the flannel shirt was something else. I think it belongs to grunge. It belongs—it has so many things attached to it. But you would never in a million years think it's leather unless someone used words to tell you or you felt it. So this iconic piece that has so many built-in associations to see it rendered this way and need to be told what it actually is, it just brought back to mind Magritte's, you know, this is not a pipe. It was what it was and it's not what it is. And I find it fascinating and more complicated than The Tank because of the pop culture references.

13:06And that he put it on Kate Moss, right? That that just took it. Not only was she going to get the most attention, but also she was part of that moment in the 90s from which it came. And it's been so influential. Now you see all kinds of high street brands doing versions of that trompe l 'oeil with that in mind, whether they know it or not. I think they know. that's it for the reader's choice now that we've come to the end of the list i'm curious what you all think and what you learned from from studying it um i think for one there is some recency bias you know we if you look at the list as you laid it out chronologically nicole the first 15 years have only half a dozen or so shows and then the the last decade has the majority of the shows on the list.

13:59And I think that's natural, particularly with younger readers who will remember the last 10 years better than the prior 15. But I also think there's something about how, as we were saying before, Instagram has habituated our eyes to seeing runway images and the designers know that they need to create something that's going to stand out. So Rachel Tashin, who's a critic at the Washington Post, she actually texted me and said that seeing the reader's choices made her feel old. And I said, honestly, same. But I think it's because designers today have learned so much about how to stage a fashion show from those earlier designers like Hussain Shalyan and Alexander McQueen and Dries Van Noten, that they've honed the devices about how to create spectacle much better today.

14:41I was pretty impressed by the range of designers that were included, though, I have to say. I was, you know, very pleasantly surprised to see like someone like Gdries Van Noten included on that list. Obviously, that show was incredible, the one I missed that we, you know, can go into once again. But while that show was sort of a spectacle, he's not really a designer who—that sort of spectacle is not so important to him. That's not really—he's not an Instagram designer, shall we say. He's not really a showman. He really lets the clothes speak for themselves. So I was impressed that he made the list, to be honest, and obviously very thrilled.

15:19And then someone like Victor and Rolf, who I was surprised they actually made the list because I wouldn't have thought they were as well known as many of the other designers. But that, I think, goes to show you that, you know, those collections that do have a real sort of Instagram moment recently also are, you know, so impactful. But I thought the range was impressive. And I think it represents a bit of a generational shift. I think Miu Miu today is what Prada was to people in the 90s, for example. And I also think there's a sort of cult of designer and brand that people really – I think fashion is moving closer to sports in the sense of like fandom.

16:01There's always been fandom, but it's people really deep dive. There are scroll and scroll and there are a million people telling you the details of specific nitty-gritty about a collection. And so I think that's become more of the norm to have Deunia on that list from 2000. I'm so happy with this list. I guess my big takeaway is that I'm an outlier because at least two, but possibly three, I'm trying to remember of my favorites didn't make the top 25. So we'll have a lot more to talk about after the break.

16:42Thank you.

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17:24Okay, we're back. We are now going to talk about editors' favorites. And the way I want everyone to think about this is there were 25 shows that didn't make the list. We gave the readers a selection of 50. And there's some on that second 25 that are just too important not to talk about. So while we may talk about specific collections, we'll also talk about the influence and the impact that these designers have had over the course of the last 25 years. And at the top, we are going to start with Balenciaga Fall 2007. I think this might be one of your favorite Nicolas Guesquière collections ever.

18:03I don't know how this did not make the top. Me neither. I mean, this was a tour de force of a show. I mean, almost every editor I know would put this in their top list, I think. I certainly would. But it was this amazing multicultural blend of collegiate jackets, Ecop prints, the jodhpurs. I mean, you just saw all this coming at you, and you couldn't believe it. And the thing that was so incredible about this show, I think, is, of course, you wanted those looks on the runway. But it also was so – it sort of changed the way you looked at your own wardrobe. And you could go into your closet and relook at how you sort of styled yourself.

18:45It was so influential in that regard. Like the next day, I remember seeing anyone who had brought a scarf to Paris had it wrapped around their neck, you know, with every single print they owned on their body, you know. And if you were lucky enough to have a jodper in your suitcase, you were really doing it. But it was such an incredible, incredible show. I absolutely loved the clothes of the show. I actually have a gray flannel varsity jacket from this collection that is so beautiful. It did not fit me, I don't think, when it was given to me, and it does not fit me now. But I still go into my closet and look at it every once in a while just to see how beautifully made it is.

19:26The incredible thing about Nicola is that he really toggled between these sci-fi collections. And, you know, he was looking a lot at Cristobal Balenciaga's own work from the mid-century. And then he would do a show like this that was really all about the street. I think that's what he said at the time. It's about the street mix. And he could do it all. I mean, but really, how do you pick a favorite Nicola Balenciaga collection? It's almost an impossibility. I remember that store that's now a Comme des Garcons store in Chelsea with the kind of egg-shaped door. And I remember going there and just sort of like it was almost like going to church.

20:07You would just go and, you know, look around, light a candle, go to the various chapels, see the altar. Beg the sales associates to go back in the stockroom and find something more to bring out. Yeah, pay significant alms.

20:23Okay, so a year later is another show that we think, you know, is not to be missed. And it was Prada's Spring 2008. And this was the Fairies collection. Yes, Muccia worked with an illustrator and sort of did Ossie Clark sort of silhouettes in these vibrant colors and psychedelia. But I think that Mark Waduchi is the one to talk about this collection because it's his most favorite. So I turn it over to you. It is my most favorite Prada collection. Sarah Moer in her review started by saying, fairies at Prada? Why, yes. And Prada is always unpredictable and I think purposefully maybe even inscrutable.

21:08But this collection really stood out as something different. It had a few prints that became really popular. There's the windowpane Prada skirt that, you know, has continued and we see all the time. But this particular Art Nouveau motif of like a wood nymph seemed to come from total left field. She's like a green absinthe fairy that's printed on these retro 1960s silhouettes in silk chiffon. And there's collars that look like flower petals. It was like Ossie Clark meets Ferngully. And I don't know, it was just the antithesis of what you might expect from one season to the next. It was like as if Donald Judd all of a sudden started doing figurative painting.

21:51And I think because of that reason, it was so unexpected that it immediately became a cult classic. I threw a party once, and my friend Colby Mugrabi, who's a collector, showed up wearing a look from that collection. And it was like my present to wear it. And I think these pieces are like, for vintage archive hunters, are still— The grail. Yeah, the grail. Such a great show. And so many—Mucha is another designer who it was so hard to pick which collection. I know. Countless. The peplums, the wrinkles. I mean, it goes on and on, the list. Rick Owens, spring 2014. This was a very big moment. He invited American dancers to perform at this show.

22:42And sadly, I wasn't there. I think it might be the only Rick show that I haven't seen in a decade and a half. And I can't believe this is the one. Were you there, Virginia? No, I missed it too. And I'm very lemon-lipped, as Hamish Bowles would say, about not being there. Because Rick is just a phenomenon of a designer. I mean, you know, I have a son who's been obsessed with Rick Owens since his, you know, since a teenager. He has a following that his reach is so vast and he's always cool. Rick is never goes out of not being cool. He's just the ultimately cool designer. And his clothes are so good for kids who are lucky enough to be able to save up and afford, you know, the dark shadow tennis shoe to like what we would want.

23:35And it's just it's he's very unusual in that way to me. There's always this line outside his store in Soho, right? And it's always kids out there. And you're like, how can they afford anything in that Rick Owens store? And going to a Rick Owens show is one of the highlights of Paris Fashion Week, right? Because he's one of these designers who has developed this cult around him. And his clothes are exceptional and odd and eccentric. And they come dressed head to toe. And it's just a trip to be there. Yeah. And he's another multidisciplinary designer. He has a furniture show at Salon 94 right now uptown.

24:15But I love that he exists because as this California transplant in Paris goth genius. because I think sometimes people think of fashion as being for one kind of person. And the Rick Owens girl is a really different person than the Oscar de la Renta girl. And it's just really great that I think he's a good example of how inclusive has many other meanings now, but, you know, how a broad and inclusive fashion actually can be. I mean, Rick talks a lot about this, about being an outsider. And having had that experience, he has, you know, it has transformed him and given him a really inclusive vision, both in terms of, you know, aesthetics and, you know, looking through some of the collections are very couture-like and, you know, interested in other people doing things that you might not know about.

25:11And I think we all benefit from that. Well, talking about cults, designer cults, Phoebe Philo, of course, has a very big one. And again, we clicked through many a Celine show to decide which one to put on this list. And in the end, Celine Spring 2014 is what we chose. And for those who can't conjure it out of their head, this is a show where Phoebe Philo sort of fell in love with color and these bold brush strokes on these sort of simple-ish shapes like a boxy tee, a lean tank that went down to the thighs, and a pleated skirt with an asymmetrical hem. And the prints are so exceptional. And I will say that there is an editor who works on Floor 25 who still wears pieces from this collection going on, yes, 11 years ago.

26:07So it was a great collection then, and it maintains it's still a great collection. And of course, we were all bereft when Phoebe stepped away and took her six years to come back, but now she's back. And lots of us are very happy about that. Yes, we are. I mean, this was sort of a surprising collection from her. You know, it's a bit of an outlier with her other shows. But I think it sort of showed women who don't necessarily wear color in print how to wear color in print. So very interesting from her, I think, in terms of her collections as a whole. But, I mean, from the very first collection, Nicole, that we saw, the pre-fall that she did, I mean, this idea of a woman's designer, a woman designing for women, I don't know how you get that feeling, but I think we got that feeling right away.

27:02There was a special sensibility, like she understood what your life was like to some extent. I think it also resonated, right, because many of us were in love with her and what she did at Chloe 10 years earlier. And she had gone away, you know, for the first time to start a family and to have kids and to see her come back and really with a completely different take. And I think that is partly what made us feel like these strong connections to her, that we had watched her grow up through fashion. And she grew up with us. The boho was gone, and it was a much more sophisticated but not uncomfortable thing.

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28:37Okay, we're back. And next on our list is Gucci Fall 2015. I think everybody knows what this is. This is Alessandro Michele's Gucci debut. Yes, but, Nicole, what's interesting that we sort of have forgotten about is that, you know, that January before, he'd actually done the menswear show about five days after his predecessor had left and somehow gotten this mens show together. And that's where he showed all the bow ties and the androgynous vibe at the menswear show, which everyone was, frankly, a little bit shocked about. And it seems sort of quaint now, but at the time, it was really, really a thing that no one had ever seen.

29:19So there was a lot of sort of talk about what he was going to do at this, which was his real debut. Good memory. Well, we had a lot of conversation about it. I remember one weekend with Victor Lamont. And I remember watching this show and then turning to Mark Colgate at about Look 10 and going, I'm loving this show. You know, this is like amazing. And if you look back at that show, like all of his ideas for Gucci were fully formed at that debut show. It's an incredible show when you go back. And he just built upon it and built upon it, but everything was there. And I can't think of too many times that's really happened in fashion.

30:07And I think I personally feel so lucky to have been there and seen that debut. But it was pretty remarkable. It's like Athena being born fully grown, you know, in armor, except that the armor is like horn-rimmed glasses and silk scarves. And to have it, you know, his vision of Gucci was so different than the designers before him. So to have that sort of confidence in what you were doing was, you know, as I say, he is a remarkable designer. And it changed the industry, you know. That Gucci, just from a business perspective, took on a rocket-like trajectory. I looked back at your review, Nicole, and you said that it was significantly less buzzy than if one of the already famous designers that everyone had thought might take over the job had gotten it.

31:01And it's amazing to think that it was just a decade ago that Alessandro, who is a giant figure creatively and in the industry, was a complete unknown. Yeah, I can't even think of who those designers were. Like, who were the rumored people that were going to take that job? They have completely been obliterated in my memory by the Alessandro Michele effect. I mean, he totally, as you said, changed the industry, not just the business, but also the aesthetics. I mean, a whole generation of kids grew up. You know, I think he might be partly responsible for the current obsession with vintage, you know.

31:42Yeah, I think you're right. He's a Roman. And when you're in Rome, everything is layers. Everything coexists. It's old and new mashed together. You can't escape it. There's a sense of heritage and strangeness and newness. And he also is a home obsessive. And I think the patterns and prints also relate to wallpapers and interior designs. And so I think it was really his world, walking around Rome and seeing old and new or layers of old and, you know, living in a home filled with things that you love, that you've collected. And yes, this brilliantly what you said, this sort of embodying fashion's vintage obsession in his person.

32:28And of course now, after, you know, having a year off, he is at Valentino. And I just think fashion is richer with Alessandro in it. I'm very excited to see what he does at Couture later this month. I'm very optimistic and hopeful. I think we're all going to have our fashion minds blown. I can't wait. All right. The last show, it's another Balenciaga show. This one, Demna's debut. Oh, my God. And this one sticks out for a lot of us. But I know, Laird, it is a treasured memory for you. It is because I think it's rare that posture changes. You know, someone in Vogue in the early 90s had done a posture story and I followed up adding to it on the site.

33:16But the way that the shoulders, you carry yourself when something is off shoulder, the way that the hips were constructed. Maybe you weren't carrying your hips, but they were jutting out in a sort of couture tradition. it wasn't only what we were seeing was new, but the way that the models carried themselves was new. And I think that's extraordinary. And thinking about it, as I did research for this, you know, the thing with Demna is that everything in that show was recognizable. It was a skirt suit. It was a puffer. You know, it was a pencil skirt. Everything that you knew. So borrowing that idea from Margiela and from looking at archives, but totally reimagining it in a way that was astonishing.

34:01But yes, but how you carry yourself, to be able to influence that I think is a rare thing indeed. He was upgrading workwear to couture, not just streetwear, but like workwear. And there's a classist conversation happening there where he's confronting a client with something that was a scandal at the time, actually. It was shocking. People were saying, oh, Cristobal would be rolling over in his grave. And so it was divisive in the best way. You know, he always plays with this degradation of luxury. You know, when they recreated the couture salons, they did them exactly as Cristobal Balenciaga had them and then had the team come in and actually damage the moldings and create like as if they had been chipping away and had mold and smoke all over them.

34:51And just that idea of playing, you know, or elevating the everyday where a trash bag becomes a handbag or the answer is that the age old question, what does a couture puffer look like? Or a couture jean jacket or a couture, I mean, you name it. He's so just last July or was it in June? He you know, he made a dress out of meters and meters of tulle. Right. And it was this dress that you you wrap on once with the help of three Balenciaga studio team members. And you unwrap yourself at the end of the night. And it's just a ball of fabric. In the context of what we were saying about Stephen Sprouse yesterday, it's kind of like, you know, that graffiti at Vuitton was really transgressive at the time.

35:40But 15 years later, the bar had been raised, and I think Demna more than cleared it. All right. We have spent going on two months now thinking about the past 25 years. And does anybody have any big takeaways? We were saying yesterday that the readers seem to be selecting spectacle in one way or another, not just how a show is staged, but maybe the clothes themselves. But the editor's choices, it seems like we've all gravitated towards something different, whether it's a one-off show, like something that's standout in a designer's very consistent oeuvre, like the 2008 Prada fairy collection or that Celine show that we were talking about that stand apart.

36:22or, in other cases, a show that marked a shift in fashion. So Alessandra's debut at Gucci or Demna's debut at Balenciaga. And it's just interesting to think that as editors that that's what we see as being impactful. To be honest, some of that could be marked because we see so much and it's those moments of real change that maybe we remember more and think about more because we have seen, you know, hundreds and thousands of shows at this point. So that could have something to do with it. I mean, I probably wouldn't say that particular Celine 2014 show was my favorite Celine show in all the Celine shows I've seen, but it might be one of the most memorable shows and important in different ways, if you know what I mean.

37:13That's a really good point. I think when you do a list like this, what are we measuring? Are we measuring our favorites or are we measuring impact or, you know, the best? Yeah, you and I were talking about that. It's a, you know, you let your own personal preferences enter in versus what felt impactful and important. And I think we sort of leaned more towards the impactful and important in many ways. And I think we were walking a line. It was a list of shows, but inevitably it's also a list of designers. and so I think the editors list we're really talking about people who have and not that everyone on this list has changed fashion but here we're talking about people who developed great bodies of work you know and this is one example maybe it's your favorite maybe it's your not but there you can't ignore them and I think maybe the lesson is when you dare it matters so to fashion who wants to be safe in difficult times That's very understandable.

38:16But what we remember is people that took a chance, that dared, that put themselves on the line. And that's what these shows and list represents, I think. Well said, Laird. Yeah. And the new season is starting in a matter of days. So there will be more opportunities for designers who decide to dare. And I guess that's why we all keep going back, right? Because, you know, so many of these shows for me are such important moments. And like you say, Virginia, we have literally been to thousands of shows. And when you get that feeling, you know, it doesn't come along every week or even every season sometimes.

38:58And it's a really beautiful moment, especially because it's a collective moment that we feel together. Like you all sense it. And it's worth it. And you don't want to miss it. because we all remember, we could do a whole series about the ones that got away, about the shows that we missed. I had one, I once got a call, I was in London, and I was at a work lunch. I was not working at Vogue at the time, and I got a call from Hamish Bowles, and he said, where are you? And I said, I'm like, you know, wherever I was. And he said, you need to be in such and such address. And he said, there's a seat with your name on it next to me, and you don't want to miss this.

39:34And it turns out that it just hadn't made my way. It's weighted my calendar. But it was the show that the Queen attended. It was Richard Quinn's show. Richard Quinn, yeah. And I. Did you make it there on time? I did not make it on time. I was outside. I was outside for the Queen.

39:52The ones that got away. All right. Well, this was so much fun. Thank you all. Thanks, Nicole. Virginia, Mark, and Laird for being Nicole. Thank you, Nicole.

40:05That's it for the show. We'll be back next week with a new episode.

40:19The Runthrough is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma, and Joanna Solitaroff. It's engineered by Jake Loomis and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Stephanie Karaoke is our executive producer, and Chris Bannon is Condé Nast's head of Global Audio.

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Last December, the Vogue Runway team created a list of the fashion moments that have defined the 21st-century so far. Now they are taking it a step farther and highlighting the most memorable shows of the past 25 years. On Tuesday’s episode, Global Head of Fashion Network Virginia Smith, Creative Editorial Director Mark Guiducci, and Senior Archive Editor Laird Borelli-Persson went over the top picks from readers. Today, they go over the editors’ top picks. 

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