Vogue in the 90s with Edward Enninful | PLUS Ride Along with Gold Medalist Gabby Thomas

0:28This is The Run Through. I'm Chloe Mal. this series. It was such a fun watch. I can't believe you watched in one day, Choma. That is insane. It's unprecedented, even for me. I'm not that girl. What a testament. That should be the pull quote everyone uses. For a little background about the show, In Vogue the 90s is a deep dive into some of the biggest moments in fashion from that decade, from the birth of the supermodel, the intersection of hip-hop and fashion, Tom Ford's Gucci, Calvin Klein, and so much more. They're such amazing interviews. Yeah. And I mean, we were so lucky to be able to speak with Edward Ennenfeld, who's such a huge part of that moment in fashion and a huge part of this series.

1:11When you think about it, he went from being the youngest fashion director at ID Magazine at only 18 in the early 90s, he was modeling too at that age, went for the same job as Kate Moss, which was quite hilarious to hear about and talk about. Right? But first, so Chloe, I know you went to a New York fashion show with a really special guest. I did. I felt very special. I went to the Tommy Hilfiger show, which was on the Staten Island Ferry, which was a hands-down highlight of my fashion week. But it started out very high. I didn't think you could beat my ride over there, but honestly, the Wu-Tang Clan did.

1:54but on my drive to the show I rode along with Olympic track gold medalist Gabby Thomas no way I saw her at the Olympics from a very very long distance and and she's amazing what's she like in person she's so lovely so gorgeous it was her and her boyfriend it was their first fashion show they were so excited she was so sort of correct and proper she had her really cute little Tommy outfit on and was so gracious. And it was really fun to chat with her about all the amazing jewelry she wears and the sort of endless drama of how to wear her hair and the feedback she gets about that. It's just so fascinating to hear how much these athletes have to be juggling all the time.

2:43It's wild. You can hear a bit about our conversation as we chugged along in traffic to the South Street Seaport. Gabby, we're so excited. I have to say that in the Vogue offices, it was like a huge moment and very fun for me to see all of these super fashion-y people going extremely all-in for the Olympics. And we would get into the office in the morning and be like, did you see Gabby last night? Did you see her jewelry? Did you see everything? I felt like just globally, everyone was watching the Olympics this year and we were all so excited about it. And it's so fun that, of course, immediately we were all like, well, we have to go to fashion week with her.

3:22Yeah, I mean, this has been a lot of fun. It's definitely a new experience for me just being in the sports world and now having the opportunity to be exposed to new things. And I'm actually on my way to Tommy Hilfiger right now. And I'm dressed in all Tommy Hilfiger, which is such a dream come true. I mean, I remember wearing Tommy ever since I was a young girl. Really? Yeah. Do you remember your first Tommy Hilfiger outfit? Yeah, I had this Tommy Hilfiger t-shirt. I remember it had like the logo was glittery. It was so cute. I loved it. It was my favorite T-shirt ever. Yeah, I can't wait. And just describing for people listening, Gabby's doing a great sort of collegiate fall vibe with a houndstooth blazer and a cable knit sweater dress and very cute burgundy Mary Janes.

4:05As I said, everyone at Vogue was very into your jewelry. and we had a lot of questions about how you run and everything. Do you change it up or do you have like, these are the pieces I'm wearing every single time I race because they're my good luck charms. Yeah, I'm not very superstitious when I run. So I kind of just go with the mood and the vibe that I'm feeling. I think a big part of track is just expressing yourself and wearing what you can and what you can get away with without impairing your performance too much. And so I really like to go with bracelets and rings. because I feel like they're subtle.

4:40They're not too distracting, but they, you know, provide me with an opportunity to kind of express my style a little bit. And so I always, I'm almost always wearing an Omega watch. I have a little bit of permanent jewelry on just because it's easy. And then I like the concept of permanent jewelry. What does that mean? Well, so yeah, I have these bracelets and rings that I just have bonded on. So I don't even have to worry about switching them out. And they're really simple. And where did you get them? These ones, I got them in Austin. And I can't even remember. I think I did them just at a local farmer's market, to be honest.

5:11Just like an easy. Yeah. Are the Olympic ring rings new? Oh, yeah. So the Olympic rings ring is new. My boyfriend just got them for me. And so I actually just swapped out my Olympic rings necklace for the ring. Amazing. Yeah, there's a jeweler that does a lot of our Olympic jewelry. A lot of different athletes will use the same jeweler. Is the same thing go for your beauty and like your nails? Do you feel like you always want to have your nails done? Nails are really fun in track. I mean, we always have our nails done in track and field. It's one of those unspoken rules, and everyone has their different styles with how they do their nails.

5:45It's one of those things where you look at your competitors, and it kind of says a lot about them. You're like, okay, I see what you're going with today. Yeah, I see your vibe. So, like, if you don't know someone well, you'll just look and see their nails. It's like dog sniffing. Yeah, exactly, like in the best way. So mine are always just very, very simple. They're always like almost almost always just a nude color, a little bit long, but kind of like sport long. Not too much. So I can still get in my block start position. But a lot of the girls will have really, really long, flashy nails on the line, too, which I think is really fun.

6:16Wow. OK. Do you have like a makeup routine before competing that you do that you sort of swear by? Or is there always one consistent approach that you're taking? I mean, I like to keep it very light because we are still competing and it's kind of a long day with showing up, warming up and then competing. So, I mean, really just a natural look, some foundation, some lip gloss and a little bit of lashes. Keep it simple. And is that true for your hair, too? The hair, the hair is a whole nother battle. That's a tough one. I mean, and we're under such scrutiny with our hair all the time, too. So I'm very, very thoughtful and careful about how I do my hair before I race.

6:56I think the best thing we could do is like at this point I used to wear it down all the time every time I competed I would wear it down but now I just put it back in a ponytail slick it back why do my edges if I'm being completely honest it's because I just get so tired of the criticism and I hate that for me but I'm just so tired of it and yeah anytime you do anything with your hair like wear it down or just have it look remotely imperfect it just becomes a huge deal um so I'm just I like how back Simone handled that yeah she just shut it down right and I love that for her because sometimes you just really have to especially her I mean it's not like she was doing anything crazy with her hair she wore it back in a bun or ponytail like it's 97 degrees on this bus it looked really good when I left right I just don't I don't get it and you're doing flips through air like we're literally sprinting as fast as humanly possible but somehow the hair is the issue.

7:48Yeah. It's crazy. What was the biggest pinch me moment at the Olympics? Like I loved, didn't Snoop Dogg, what did he do? He gave you a hug. Oh yeah. Well, Snoop Dogg was around a lot. He would come to our relay practice and come hang out with us. Um, he gave me a call right after my 200, but I think maybe he just gave you a call. Yeah. He gave me a phone call, which was so funny immediately after it was so sweet. Um, gosh, he, I mean, he congratulated me and he said he knew it and that, you know, I was his favorite to win. And so I was so honored to hear that. But my biggest pinch me moment was probably doing relay handoffs with the first lady.

8:22Oh, wow. That's a big one. Yeah, it was huge. And she did a great job. She caught on very, very quickly. I just think it must be wild to be at the Olympics and then come home. And is it like everything's back to normal? Does it feel a little postpartum in a way that it's like this huge moment? And like, what did you do when you got home? I haven't been able to spend much time at home if I'm being completely honest. So I don't even think I've had a moment to kind of sit with it and, you know, part with the fact that I was at the Olympics because it just feels like I'm still living in it. So we went straight from Paris to New York and did all of that.

8:55I went home briefly and I'm still training for my last meet of the season. Is that Athlos? Athlos here in New York. So we're still in competition mode a little bit. I saw a really cute video of you seeing your dog again for the first time in a while. Oh my goodness. Is he confused? Was he mad at you? I think he was a little mad at me because, yeah, when I went home and I opened my suitcase to unpack, he definitely went potty in it. And he was telling me that he was upset about how long I had been gone for. So I felt kind of bad about that. But being reunited with my puppy was amazing. When did you get him?

9:31Where did he come from? I got Rico at a rescue shelter, Austin Humane Society, back in 2020. We are in the car with Spencer. How did you guys meet? You both grew up in Atlanta? Yes, we both grew up in Atlanta, but I did meet him in Austin, Texas. Okay. And we live together now. We just moved in together maybe, you know, six months ago, I think. Has Rico been accepting of Spencer? Yes, I think Rico loves having another person around. And Spencer works from home, so it's great. He just has a buddy at home all the time. Yeah. So it's been incredible. And Gabby, you also, you have a master's in public health.

10:10You also work at a public health clinic. How much, how are you able to do that time-wise? Like, what does that look like for your schedule? It really, it looks like, you know, I get up in the morning and I go to training for a few hours. And then when I'm not training, I come back and in my downtime, I'm able to utilize that by doing clinic work. So a lot of the clinic work can be done remotely, which is nice. What I do there is I'm a director of the hypertension intervention program. So a lot of it is just checking in on the patients. And that's something that can be done from anywhere. And then going into the clinic maybe once a week.

10:44And then we have our monthly meetings. I kind of compare it all the time to just being a collegiate athlete. Anyone who did sports in college or even in high school can probably just relate to compartmentalizing your time and breaking it up. That's like your classes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Are you, would you say that you are a big fashion person? Do you love fashion? Like where do you shop? What are you buying? I would say that I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm pretty normal. I think I'm mid, I like to wear what makes me comfortable. And what I feel good in. And it's not normally, you know, about exactly where I'm going or who I'm buying it from.

11:16In Austin, it's such a kind of casual fashion scene. So I'm a big athleisure girl. I mean, I love wearing whatever makes me feel comfortable, whatever makes me feel like myself. So kind of like a sporty chic look. Did you buy anything in Paris? hmm did I buy anything yeah I bought some sunglasses I was really excited about they were some Chloe sunglasses and I just I'm I love them so much and yeah and I picked up some from Tommy Hill figure two um this week and I just I love I'm in a big sunglasses phase right now who are your like who would be your favorite your dream person to run into at a fashion show like who's your Zendaya okay yeah Zendaya she's my my fashion inspo and icon yes all of us yes I channel her.

12:00Is this where we are? Yeah, so do you guys want to say goodbye and thank you? Gabby, thank you so much for riding along with us. This is such a treat. Where you're really a vote favorite. Yay, thank you. It's been so much fun. It's great to break up the ride.

12:21That was so fun. How was the Tommy show? I have to say New York Fashion Week has been really a delight. The weather has been exquisite, which always helps. Tommy on the ferry felt so classic Americana. It felt like this real celebration of New York in a big way. The Wu-Tang Clan performed, which was everyone lost their minds. It was a very exciting method man fist pumped Anna, which was a big moment. Wait, I didn't tell you that? Oh, it was incredible. No, no. I've been sharing moments because I'm such a Wu-Tang fan. clips I've seen with my boyfriend. Because I'm like, oh, they're still amazing.

12:58They still got it. I didn't know that also happened. It was Method Man came up and tried to fist pump her and she thought that he was inviting her to dance with him. So she waved and said, no, no. And then it was really a delightful moment. Oh my gosh. Hilarious. They had really a fun front row. You know, it's this ferry that Colin Jost and Pete Davidson bought a few years ago. So have they changed it? Is there anything different about it? No, it's still decommissioned and needs to be renovated. And they have plans of making it like a moving entertainment venue, but that hasn't happened yet. So they actually, Tommy tugged the boat from the Staten Island dockyard to the South Street Seaport.

13:41And it didn't move. You just went on the ferry. You were greeted with champagne and caramel popcorn, which was delightful. everyone received an actual metal fairy token as their invite so they really leaned into the bit and it just felt extremely vibrant and fun and that was the case for a lot of shows the next earlier that day at Off-White they turned this basketball court at Pier 2 of Brooklyn Bridge Park into Off-White's runway they took over the backboard of the basketball hoop and branded it Off-White. Oh, wow. They had a really starry front row. Francis Tiafoe and his girlfriend sat next to Anna.

14:23Suni Lee was there, the Olympic gymnast, Flavor Flav, Zayn Malik, Kamiya Cabello. So it was just a fun. People were really into that show and having a good time. As you heard on the Tuesday episode with Nicole Phelps and her amazing interview with Peter Muller, which everyone should listen to if they haven't yet. I love that interview. The Aliyah show was definitely the moment of the week. Everyone sort of waiting breathlessly, not knowing for who. And then suddenly Rihanna appeared like Venus on the half shell. And that was very exciting. Madonna also showed up at Luar, right? Madonna showed up at Luar last night.

15:05I was like, front row. I have to say I've been getting a lot of FOMO watching all of the New York shows. It just it felt like New York was sparkling. And also, again, using New York like Luar had their show out in the plaza of Rockefeller Center where the tree usually is. And I just love the idea of Madonna. Christian wrote a fun sort of party like scene report from Luar because it was tourists checking out Rock's 30 Rock and then Madonna and Ice Spice showing up. Also, people just leaning into their own brand identity and sort of embracing their weird. Like Rachel Antonov and Susan Alexandra had this dog show fashion show.

15:48I know. I loved your ghost written piece. I howled. Well, literally.

15:55Yes, I wrote a piece as from the point of view of one of the dogs that were in the show. And actually, I urge everybody to read it if they want to smile today or if they're having a bad day, go read the story. Well, Rachel texted me yesterday that apparently someone reached out to the rescue place and said, we read a piece on Vogue.com. Is Magnolia still available for adoption? We want to adopt her. I was like, this is true service journalism. She found a home for Magnolia. So, yeah, we were we really enjoyed that. The Will H of Aria show was a real highlight, too. People were very excited to be there.

16:30The energy was really good. His Adidas collaboration, the pieces were amazing. You're going to go nuts for them, Choma. I can't wait. That felt like a real, very important moment of Fashion Week, I think. And everyone should listen to Jose's interview with Willie, which is amazing, which was last Thursday's episode. But again, people sort of, especially in this moment, obviously it's we're thinking about these contrasts with the debate last night. And yeah, I woke up to a lot of hot takes on the debate. We wanted to get your hot take. Yeah, the debate was last night. It was stressful to watch.

17:08But I think the vice president did as well as she could have considering the circumstances. And then this morning. I'm a Swifty convert now. Oh, my God. And now then Taylor happened. And then this morning, they're all downstairs at our building at the 9-11 ceremony. So it does feel like politics is close this and the U.N. General Assembly is starting today. So it does feel like politics and Fashion Week are overlapping. When I say it was a Swifty convert, I mean, I just love that she endorsed Kamala. Well, I have to say, though, it was like 1130 last night. I was like, for God's sake, can any more news happen this week?

17:43It's like. Chloe, I think you and I, we have similar taste in best dressed lists. Oh, my God. That was so fun. Yes. On the new Vogue app, new and improved. So many fun features and very newsy. Yeah. It means we've been updating it all weekend. But some of the new features are quizzes and polls. And best dressed is one of the polls. I love them. And what I love about it is that it tells you whose taste you share. and my best dressed picks were the same as one Chomanadi. I said, ah, I know her. Great minds. Great minds think alike. So I encourage everyone to download the Vogue app. If you already were using the Vogue Runway app, it automatically will update to the new Vogue app and you'll still be able to access everything from Vogue Runway.

18:31But there's just also all of the content from Vogue.com and many new things. Choma, I want to know what the scuttlebutt in London is about Sarah Burton going to Givenchy because we're very excited. I think everyone here is elated. I mean, she's such a beloved designer and specifically in the UK. It's been a year since she showed her last collection for McQueen and I think we've all been waiting for Sarah to step into her own light. And I think this will really give her an opportunity to do that. And the legacy of Givenchy obviously has some major British talent there. from Lee McQueen to John Galliano.

19:12So this is a really great move for her. And we're all excited and obsessed. And it was interesting hearing Nicole talk about the fact that she's very excited for the couture and Givenchy has couture. And I think it's going to be really, really great to see what she does. The only bad thing is that we have to wait until next season, right? The only bad thing is we have to wait. Gosh, this week's busy. So, Choma, I want to know, what are the highlights of London Fashion Week going to be? Well, I feel like we have a lot to live up to, given how fun New York has been and how starry it's been. So I'm hoping for some good moments.

19:51I can't reveal, but I do have some good intel. I do think there are going to be some good moments. I can't tell. A lady can't reveal all of her secrets. Well, apparently, Charli XCX is performing for H &M. So people are excited about that. Yes. That is going to be the big kickoff. I think everyone is going to be exhausted the next morning before the whole week has even started because they're all going to be partying all night to Charlie XCX. I mean, she really is the moment here. So I think most of the team here are going to said event. Yeah. And then we've got some really fun. We've got Nancy DeJoker, who is a name who was kind of off the schedule for a long time and she's unveiling a collab with Calvin Klein, which is a really big moment for her.

20:42I'm sure the casting will be amazing. SS Daily, which the brand that's been kind of partially invested by Harry Styles, is showing women's wear for the first time. So I think that will be a really great show. There's a brand called Standing Ground, which almost shows like Demi Couture, very these beautiful kind of liquid gorgeous evening dresses that you don't usually see at fashion week and he's doing his first solo show so we're all very excited about that always always always looking forward to simone we always know jw anderson on a sunday is going to throw us some very fun front row and also some some kind of out there fashion ideas for us to all think about all season long.

21:30So that'll be great. And then things will kind of like end on Burberry. So on the Monday. Very exciting.

21:44The run through will be back in just a moment.

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22:36And we're back. We had such a great convo with Edward. I mean, I think about all the fun anecdotes. And I'm already cackling. So I can't wait for you all to hear it.

22:56Edward, it's such a treat to have you back on the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me again. I loved the last time I was here. Today we're here for a really special reason. In Vogue the 90s comes out on Hulu on September 13th. it's a six part retrospective of some of the most jaw dropping moments from the decade in fashion and as it played out in the pages of Vogue I've watched all the episodes and I absolutely love them and it was such a delight to see you in them and I felt like your voice really carried the audience through the series what was it like re-immersing yourself in this time and looking back I mean you know as anyone who knows me knows I don't really look back I'm I'm very forward-looking.

23:40I'm always looking forward. But it was really fun. It was really fun to think of the early days. You know, it was before the industry, as we know today. So it was just a lot of reminiscing, a lot of laughs, and also sort of thinking of so many people who'd sort of come and gone. So it was, yeah, quite good, but also quite sad sometimes, I'll say. I have to say, really, you feel your joy looking back at those times and really living through it. And as viewers, you vicariously get to live through you looking at everything. And there were so many incredible moments that I feel like I remember the visual of something, but then to hear the backstory of it, like the Liz Hurley safety pin dress, I thought was wild that she just called a PR person, said, can I borrow a dress?

24:32They handed her a paper bag with a slinky dress in it. She put it on. She didn't have a full-length mirror in her flat with Hugh, so she didn't realize how incredible and revealing it was. I mean, it's just unbelievable. Was there anything that you learned from the documentary that you were like, oh, I didn't know that? I mean, I didn't realize how much fun it was. I realized that we were all so young and we were all learning. You know, now we've been around, you know, decades, but at that time, you know, we were sort of making mistakes and learning by them and, you know, learning by trial and error.