What We Are Watching, Reading, and Listening To This Summer

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0:36This is The Run Through. I'm Chloe Mal. And today I am joined in the studio by my colleagues and frequent friends of the pod, Taylor Antrim, deputy editor, and Hannah Jackson, senior fashion writer. Hi, everyone. Hi. Welcome. Love a culture pod. You do love a culture pod. Yeah. This is my first. I'm so excited. What? Exciting. Welcome to the culture pod. Thank you so much. Summer is in full swing. I always think of Fourth of July as the midway point in the summer, and we have just passed that milestone. So we thought, who better to discuss the movies, music, TV, sports, art shows that we are excited about this very hot season.

1:16It's hard to think about anything but sports. It feels like sports is obliterating the culture right now. Big sports summer. Yeah, even for you. I mean, I'm not watching an actual game, but I'm very into the culture of it. You haven't watched an actual World Cup game. I watched the one I went to. Oh, the one you went to, yeah. But it's not just the World Cup. What else is going on sports-wise, Chloe? Sports expert? Since thanks to Anna, Vogue is tennis monthly, or daily, frankly, at this point. I love people watching at Wimbledon. I love people's outfits. I like that Ralph Lauren sort of takes over their suite, and everyone does their, like, preppy British vibes.

1:51Which do you like more for people watching, Wimbledon or US Open? Wimbledon because the outfits are better. People really take the dress code more seriously. Right. I like it's a real sort of Ascot light. But isn't like US Open. It's like a day dress. It's like Ascot but no fascinator. Right, right. Okay, no, I didn't follow that at all actually. It's a great dress code. But isn't like US Open going like this and Wimbledon kind of going like this for like fashion interest? Like US Open is the one. For people who are listening, one hand is going up and one hand is going across. A master of the audio form.

2:24I'm like, like this. Face for radio. My theory is that the U.S. Open is growing in interest among the fashion crowd. That's true. But I do think Wimbledon is very high. If you can. High water. I can. I can. Whoa. No, I don't know if you can break in from Chloe's commentary. Cut in. No, I think there is a real fashion foothold in the U.S. Open. And, you know, I know we're all very excited about it every year. But I do think Wimbledon still has the best-dressed attendees. Yeah. And I think it's because they sort of insist upon it. I think so, too. And I went to the US Open for the first time, or no, the second time last year, and it was so much fun.

3:06So fun. Who did you watch play? Do you remember? Honeydeuce? No idea who played. I just remember the Honeydeuces. I can tell you all about the cantaloupe in my— No, the Honeydeew. Duh. Duh. Cool. Yeah. What other sports were you watching? Love Honeydeuce. I'm going to two Liberty games this month. I'm very excited. Big WNBA energy right now. We love the W here. Obviously, we're big Liberty fans. We're big Ellie fans, too. We're big Ellie the Elephant fans, as someone who's interviewed her twice. I'm seeing their game against the Dallas Wings. So we'll get to see Paige Beckers and AZ Fudd play together, which will be very exciting.

3:45Both Friends of Vogue. And then I'm also going to see their game with the Chicago Sky. I'm a really big fan of Gabriela Hawkes, who's a new guard on the team. She just helped UCLA win March Madness, and I got to watch her play a few times there. So I'm really excited to see her go pro. You know what other big sporting event is happening this summer? Think about it. It started on July 4th. UFC? Tour de France. Oh! Dana loves the Tour de France. I love the Tour de France. What excites you about the Tour de France? Well, it's amazing. I mean, the top— It's just amazing. The top riders right now are—it's like Jonas Wengergaard, the Dutch— of course, rider goes head to head against Tade Pogacar, who looks uncannily like my son.

4:31So that's like very exciting in our household. So we're rooting for him. And Pogacar has been kind of unbeatable, but Vingegaard looks really good this year. And we did a little cute or Emma did a cute thing. I want what they have about Vingegaard and his wife last summer. Do you remember that? Yeah, I feel that was, you really pushed the envelope on that one. I pushed that, but she really came through. When you search Vingegaard's wife, you know, it pops to the top. Vogue's I want what they have. There you go. There you go. That's the end of the wind over here. That's SEO for you right there.

4:55In addition to being the Tour de France resident expert, you are also— Correspondent. Correspondent. You are also our film and horror correspondent. Am I? Yeah. Okay. Good segue. This summer, like, the movie— Big horror summer. The big movie narrative of 2026 is the success of Backrooms and Obsession, which are these two first film horror indies from very young directors that have made like a bajillion dollars and have overshadowed all the sort of like summer blockbusters we've seen so far. So usually in like a conversation like this, you'd talk about all the big blockbusters you're psyched to see.

5:30And there are a few that are coming out this summer, but I feel like it's sort of a vibe shift. Yeah, we'll get to Minions. Like a vibe shift where it's like, actually it's these kind of viral smaller movies that seem to really be driving the conversation. And in that sense, like I'm actually looking for the next kind of like movie like that rather than Minions, which is going to do very well and is your kids are going to love. But the big summer movie we have to talk about is The Odyssey, which is opening on July 17th. There's been a lot of Odyssey chat in our edit meetings, right? Mostly driven by you.

6:01So tell me why you're so excited about The Odyssey. I just think it's a big deal. One, I'm excited that it's already sold out in places, that a big budget. What's the opposite? I mean, it is a blockbuster, but it's also, it's not a dumb movie. It's a thinking person's blockbuster. It's a thinking person's blockbuster. So this is Christopher Nolan. Yes. And his last movie, famously, was Oppenheimer. Dunkirk. No. Oh, my gosh. You would be forgiven for not remembering that because I'd like you to tell us what happened in the last hour. You would literally bring this up in every podcast. So Chloe goes to the, like, you know, the premiere of Oppenheimer or some fancy screening that, like, no one can get into except for, like, Chloe and her mom.

6:42And, you know, Oppenheimer, a three-hour film. Chloe's locked and loaded for about two hours, and she's like, I got to go. I did. I have to get out for bedtime. Oh, my God. Right when it's, like, really rampant. Totally. And she's like, I'm out. Chloe. Honestly, with the Odyssey, I also know what happens. Yeah, yeah. He makes it home. I did look this up, though. Would you like to know the running time of the Odyssey? Yeah, I saw in your notes it's eight minutes shorter than Oppenheimer. Yeah, so there's hope. But you didn't even make it till the end mark for Oppenheimer. No, but it also made me— I just, I love the Odyssey.

7:16I love Circe. I love sort of different Odyssey translations and all the sort of chitter-chatter on that. I also like Daniel Mendelsohn's, like, searching for my Greek father while rereading the Odyssey. Like, it has a lot of spinoffs. Oh, okay. Daniel Mendelsohn, the writer. Yes. Okay, who has nothing to do with the film? Yes. Okay, just checking. But the movie has everyone in it in Hollywood, right? Yes. Like Zendaya, Anne Hathaway. Matt Damon. Matt Damon. Matt Damon as Odysseus is still—I'm excited to see it. Go ahead. Can I admit I'm nervous? Oh, interesting. I'm just like—I feel like I'm going to be watching and be like, well, that's just Matt Damon.

7:54I'm a Kirk Douglas as Odysseus fan. I mean, that's a hard act to follow. Really developing the younger listeners of the run-through with that call-out. Hannah, where are you on Nolan movies? Are you a Christopher Nolan fan? I am. I have to admit, if this is a safe space between friends, I have not seen Interstellar. Nor have I. Really? I mean, not one person in this podcast has seen Interstellar. Chelsea's upset with us. Interstellar seems like a hard thing. I'm just so horrified by the vastness of space. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. You're not a gravity girl then. It's appalling to me just to think about too much.

8:37Same with the ocean. I'm like, I don't want to think about that all that much. It was mental illness. Okay. But I loved Inception. I loved Oppenheimer. I thought it was so excellent. It was definitely one of the best movies I saw in 2023. But I'm a big Greek myth girl. I was raised reading Greek myths for bedtime stories. That's what I'm saying. It's like it's such a – it connects to you as a child. And Artie and I are finally starting to read Greek myths. Dallara's book of Greek myths? Exactly. But you know what's changed our lives? the National Geographic podcast Greeking Out. Okay. Wow. It's amazing.

9:13And so now he's obsessed with The Odyssey. Also, I'm very into, Nicole thought this was a bit too niche, but I thought we should have done a piece on like designers who use a loom because it's so loom forward. It is loom forward. A movie we have all seen is The Invite, right? Yes. What did you think? We haven't talked. Oh my God, I loved it. It's so good. The Invite's so good, right? Just, you know, I was so, oh my God, it was great. Who wins of that four for you? Like Seth Rogen, Penelope Cruz. Olivia Wilde and Ed Norton. Olivia Wilde, who also directed the movie, of course. I mean, that really puts her ahead because it was great direction.

9:50I think Seth Rogen. He's hilarious. He's hilarious. But I think he also really lands the dramatic moments well. Like I think, you know, it's really easy to stick in your lane as a comedian. But I really think it's great that he took a risk and, you know, went for this role. I think Olivia Wilde's direction was also really wonderful. I also think Ed Norton's character really could have gotten lost in there, especially like— He's so funny. He's so funny. When he pops up from behind the couch at the end, it got me. He was fantastic. And he also had a lot of emotional heft. I felt like I was watching a play.

10:23No, Penelope was amazing, too. You know what? Everyone really, really did their big one. What did you guys think? I was, the first 30 to 45 minutes, I was like, oof, this could be a slightly grating chamber drama. And then I felt like it got so, people went so big with it, each of the four of them in different ways. And I was delighted by it every step of the way. And I thought it was really interesting in my interview with Olivia that she said that it's one of the only movies she's ever either directed or starred in that they filmed chronologically because it was on one set. And that that really made them more comfortable with each other and with the material.

11:01And it made it feel much more natural. And you do feel that. You feel like you're really on this journey with them. And then there's also another kind of interesting movie that's coming out in August, Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, which is Jane Schoenbrun's. Really rolls off the tongue. Third. Yeah. Yeah, I always shorten it in my notes to teenage sex, which is like a hard thing to see popping up in your notes. Yeah, exactly. But it's Jane Schoenbrun's third film. They are a really interesting director who is very, like, interested in horror movie tropes, doesn't actually make straight-up scary movies.

11:35People probably have heard of I Saw the TV Glow, which was a very, like, disquieting movie about, you know, sort of trans coming of age, queer coming of age. I really liked that movie. I liked Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma. It stars Hannah Einbinder and Gillian Anderson, who are just like totally going for it in this amazing way. I thought it was sort of a slightly lighter weight movie than TV Glow. But I was at a screening where people were just going nuts for this movie and so excited to have seen it. And it opens first week in August. And I think it could be a little bit of a thing. It's like a, you know, A24, you know, movie with wonderful art direction, really cool music in it.

12:13And, yeah, you kind of got to see Hannah and Jillian to believe it. Ava Victor's also in the movie and in more of a small role. And they're really good. And I think we're all looking forward to Ava Victor's next movie, you know? Oh, we're so excited. I love Ava Victor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, anyway, I would put that on your calendar to see. August 7th, it opens.

12:34The run-through will be back in a moment with more of our summer recommendations.

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13:45Hannah, TV time. TV time. When we made our lists, I saw that we were both very excited about Larry David's sketch comedy show. The most deflating starting point for like a cool TV discussion. Larry David's like two-week-old HBO show. No, I'm listening. It's the first episode, Taylor. I know. How is it? It's so funny. It's so charming. Oh, okay. It's like Curb Your Enthusiasm. Which I love. It's like him as Curb Your Enthusiasm put into, it's like historical scenarios. He's so annoying that he makes Rosa Parks move to the back of the bus. Okay, that's funny. That's funny. Okay, I'm back in. Also, it like kicks off with, I mean, no, you know, spoiler, but Barack Obama.

14:30Yeah, that to me I think was a little bit of a... Spoiler, they invented the telephone. Well, Obama opens it. That's a spoiler. It is shocking. Spoiler, they didn't invent the telephone. But then it's like him with Richard Kine, who I love. I love Richard Kine. Inventing the telephone. And Larry David was like, isn't this amazing that Richard Kine won't stop talking? He's like, oh, my God, I hate this thing. He's like, I didn't think it was okay that you picked some flowers from someone else's yard, by the way, since I have you. I loved the Declaration of Independence sketch where Larry David takes the first stab at writing it.

15:04And he has put in so many, like, personal gripes. He's like, men should not be allowed to fan themselves in public. Like, it's just this nonstop list, and it's so my speed. I cannot wait. I feel like I'm putting my political science degree to use, so I'm excited to see the rest of it. No. Thrilling. Yeah, no, I'm speechless. We really sold Taylor on this one. My mom is also watching the new Fassbender, Richard Year. Oh, your mom and I are right on the same wavelength. She had no idea what was going on. The Agency Season 2. Yes. Exactly. The Agency season two is good. It's like, it's, as you say, Michael Fassbender and Richard Gere, American spies in London.

15:46It's like kind of a chilly, sort of like cool-looking, moody spy drama. But the cool thing about it is that it's a remake of a French show, like literally my favorite French. The Bureau? Yes, my favorite TV show of like the last 20 years is The Bureau. And that ran for five seasons. And if you watch The Agency only as a portal to getting to The Bureau, it's worth it. and I'm watching House of the Dragon which I think maybe I'm the only one but God that show is good now it's like it started off with such a bang and the actors who are in it like Emma Darcy and Olivia Cooke have like gotten so much bigger since it started I love Matt Smith and Matt Smith is awesome James Norton is in it too who I also love oh yeah we love him I love him from Grant Chester when he played the priest who solved murders yeah that is as Chloe coded a show as I can possibly imagine he also played Meg's husband in Little Women Oh, my God.

16:38Okay, but he's also famously the, like, extremely scary bad guy in Happy Valley. That's, like, the James Norton performance you have to see. I bet, though, he would love if you went up to him and said, I love doing Little Women. Yeah. Well, we'll tag team on that so we get the full scope of his career. We're also excited about The Shards. Oh, yeah, The Shards. We're all up in The Shards around here. So The Shards is the adaptation of Brett Easton Ellis' novel from 2023. It's a Ryan Murphy production, and it's got like a pretty crazy cast. Yeah. We watched the first episode, and it's really fun.

17:17So the cast is? Kaia Gerber, Homer Gear, famous from his Sidney Sweeney love scene in Euphoria recently. Is that what he's famous for? So far. He's got famous parents, or father at least. Evan Rachel Wood is in it. Igby Rigney is the lead who I've never seen before but is very good. Yeah, he plays like the Brett Easton Ellis character who's also kind of the narrator. And it's all like rich, disaffected, you know, high school kids in L.A. in 1981. And it's like art directed to the hilt, very Ryan Murphy style. It's going to be a very sort of hot late summer show that I think people will enjoy watching.

17:54It's like heavy on the vibes, I would say. And then it's quite dark, this being Brett Easton Ellis. There's like a serial killer in the mix called the trawler that is like killing young people in Beverly Hills and things. So anyway, we're excited about that. That is August 5th. Lioness Season 3 comes back, which is this incredibly cool show. And it's got front of the pod Zoe Saldana as like this like kick ass sort of, you know, dark side CIA sort of assassin type. And Nicole Kidman is in it. All these great people are in it. So Sam Sussman and I are the super fans on the Vogue staff, and we will be dominating editorial discussions in the month of August about what is our Lioness coverage.

18:34Wow. You ready for that? I'm so ready for that. All good Lioness coverage.

18:42The Run-Through will be back in a moment with more of our summer recommendations.

19:02All right, music. Taylor, Liam Hess, and I check in every Friday, New Music Friday. That's pretty fun. That's cute. It's a fun Slack show. It's a fun little ritual, but we kind of digest the day's offerings. I don't think there's a song of the summer yet, but it's really big for the pop girls. So we have Olivia Rodrigo last month released her album, You Seem Pretty Sad for a Girl So in Love. And I thought it was by far her most mature work yet. I think it was her best by a mile. It is totally a departure from her pop punk roots, much to Taylor's chagrin as the resident pop punk fan. Disappointment in the Antrim household over this record.

19:40And we lived. I think it's great. I think it's such a, you know, it's a great concept album kind of spanning the kind of giddy start of a relationship to the dissolution and then the aftermath where you're beginning to move on. I think there are some real standouts. I will say I think it's a no-skip album, but my standouts are Maggots for Brains, which she said was, okay, she said was inspired by Steve and Miranda from Sex and the City. And it's sort of about like a codependent relationship. Is that something that Steve said? No, I don't know if Steve said it. specifically. And then toward the back half of the album, I really loved What's Wrong With Me, which featured Olivia Rodrigo's first ever feature from Robert Smith, of all people, which was, you know, incredible from The Cure.

20:28And it's a really fun duet, kind of talking about, you know, falling out of love and, you know, realizing you should be happy, but you're not. Towards the end of the album, there is a really great song, Expectations, which producer Daniel Nigro asked Olivia to write as like a mantra song. So she's sort of talking about like, you know, that time in every young woman's life where they say they will not date any more losers. But it's very, and if it sticks, who knows? But, you know, it's a very fun, the production is fantastic. It's very reminiscent to me of Talking Heads. Okay. But Charli XCX is also cooking up something exciting.

21:06Charli XCX's new album is coming out in July. It's called Music, Fashion, and Film. I'm excited about this. I'm really excited about it. I feel like the early singles are really good. It's definitely more of a rock vibe than the sort of hyper poppy sound that she's been curating for some time, which she kind of got into on the first song on the album, Rock Music, which, you know, speaks for itself. And the cover's a total flex, right? Yeah, it's Scorsese, Marc Jacobs, John Cale. It's incredible. And in our Slack channel, we said, who is your music fashion film cover? What did Emma say? It was hilarious.

21:41Her fashion pic was Jen Shaw of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City fame, who famously went to jail for allegedly defrauding old people out of their social security. Yup. I think Charlie's so good for the culture. I think she, like, stirs it up. I feel like everyone's talking about Phoebe Bridgers and the fact that she has no phones at her concerts. Yeah. I love Phoebe. I love Stranger in the Alps, so I have been eagerly awaiting her return. Yeah, a lot of big fans of hers. Yes. Well, you're into hyperpop as well, Taylor. Well, I am into hyperpop, but we can have a little hyperpop corner. I mean, hyperpop's sort of a dated term these days.

22:18What does that mean, sure? It's a good question. It's like glitchy sort of like— It's like Charlie Brat, but like more. Like electronic sort of pop with like a lot of glitchy sounds, a little bit punk-inflected, very noisy. 100 Gex is like the classic hyperpop. Who you love. Famously. Yeah. Never let a 100 Gek show go by. No, there is a lot of hyperpop in my household because my son, William, is really into it. He loves Glaive, who's like this kind of came out of the hyperpop scene and has a record that I've been talking about. But I really like this new Tiffany Day single called Constantly. And she's like this 26-year-old Chinese-American hyperpop artist.

22:57And she's actually opening for Glaive on his tour. And anyway, I'm really loving that. What are you reading this summer? We just did such a fun piece on Vogue.com of beach reads with beach bags. And Chloe Shama put together an amazing list of must-reads books for coming out this summer. The Pool House by Mary H.K. Choi is one that I'm really excited about. She wrote a fantastic essay for us for the summer issue about her green card marriage. And she's someone I've just been a fan of, so I'm excited about that. Dave Edgar's new book Contrapposto is supposed to be really good. I'm interested in that.

23:34I also bought David Sedaris' new book. I actually bought the Audible because he reads his own books, and it's so much fun. There's a painted edition of The Odyssey. Oh. Very excited. And Freedom Essays by Zinzi Clemens. I'm excited about it. I went to college with Zinzi, and I liked her first novel a lot. I liked that Gwendolyn Riley novel, which came out, like, maybe a month or two ago, called The Palm House, which I recommend. If you like, like, Rachel Cusk stuff, it's set in London. It's about a woman that works at, like, a small literary magazine in London and kind of the sort of comings and goings of the staff at that magazine.