The latest on Tony Romo, and CBS’ Charles Davis talks college football

0:00Coming up on the pod, the latest on Tony Romo, WTGL lands its media deals and recapping week zero in college football.

0:16Welcome into the SBJ Sports Media Podcast. I'm Austin Karp. And I'm Josh Carpenter. College football, Austin, kicks off in earnest really this weekend. But I'm really looking at it the next week. I mean, Tennessee traveling down south to Bobby Dodd Stadium. I'm going to curb stomp Georgia Tech. I know you're expecting a curb stomp there, but I don't think that's going to happen. But I'm worried about us actually scheduling a Power 4 team in Colorado to open up tonight. Colorado coming into the flats. You guys are a 40-point favorite taking on an FCS at home. So congrats on scheduling that one.

0:48Well, when you're in the SEC, you have to eat some cupcakes in there. So that's how it goes. Yeah, that's why we scheduled Tennessee. We had to get that cupcake in the week, too. Well, anyway, moving on to non-college football. Austin, I like that Tony Romo's story had died down a little bit just in the last week or so, two weeks. But now it's back in the news. It's the top story everyone's talking about, at least around NFL media, seemingly. What's the latest with Tony Romo? Well, he came out with that statement this week. He had pled no contest to that OWI charge that he had. And as part of that statement, he's like, listen, I had a lot of injuries when I was playing in the NFL.

1:21That led to prescription pain medication. and then I started drinking a little bit to try to get rid of that. And we've seen that in a lot of cases with a lot of people out there, and that's not something to be taken lightly. But for sports media purposes within his statement, he also said, I look forward to getting back to CBS at some point. Surprisingly. Yes. The point is, that statement and previously CBS Sports' statement on Romo's situation and him taking the lead, all of that was very artfully crafted by whatever lawyers were involved in putting it together. I don't think this changes anything about the narrative that isn't going on about Tony Romo.

1:58I think both of these statements kind of set them up for an eventual parting of ways. Hopefully it can be as peaceful as possible and it's not some sort of drawn out legal thing. But, you know, from everybody that I talk to across the sports media space, it continues to be that very few, if any, people see Tony Romo coming back to that top spot in the CBS. See, I read that statement. I saw that about CBS and his statement, and I read that as, oh, there's a chance he may come back to CBS, but you're saying it's— That's his lawyers crafting that angle, trying to put him back in that spot, the same spot that he had once he takes care of his personal affairs and personal issues.

2:33I think the damage has already been done to not only Tony's reputation, but CBS's reputation, and they have something in J.J. Watt, who got off to a legit start last year in what he was doing and developing as an announcer there. They're going to see what he can do in the A spot. But there's a lot of other talented people out there that could potentially take in that A spot if they decide to go away from Tony Romo. So where does Romo resurface then? I mean, does he resurface on a C package on Fox Sports or probably not with CBS? Like, where does he pop up and go? I feel like we can't have seen the last of Tony Romo.

3:04No, I don't think. I don't think we've seen the last of Tony Romo. My question is whether he wants to do the analyst role. I think he's a little lighter and maybe he's better suited for some sort of pregame show. And in that case, there are a lot of options out there, a lot of seats. And Tony Romo's still a big name. Seems like a very affable guy. You know, I have met and talked to him in person at CBS NFL Media Day before. And maybe that's something that's better suited to him so he's not maybe trying to force it. A little less prep work. A little less prep work. Maybe that's something he wanted to do.

3:32An analyst role in a studio setting, not calling a game. That's likely, in my opinion, where he should go. Well, Josh, enough about Tony Romo. Let's get to some golf. You were down in Atlanta for the Tour Championship. There are a couple of developments actually going on in the golf media space. Before I get to the PGA Tour and the Tour Championship, I want to talk a little bit about this new women's TGL. That has found a home for Season 1. Where are they going to be airing? Yeah, it's actually for Season 1 and Season 2. Again, some news that we broke this week at SBGA. WTGL, some are a little surprised by this, landing on ESPN and ABC.

4:07They'll have matches on ESPN, ABC, ESPN2, but also on ION. So there are a couple things to this. So with ESPN, they get the brand name of ESPN. ESPN has already carried TGL, the men's league, for the first two years of its existence. So they have some of that brand equity built up. So you get the power of ESPN. And then you look at a network like ION, owned by Scripps Sports. If you can just kind of look at some of the other properties that ION has leaned into, they've got PWHL, they've got NWSL, they've got WNBA. So WTGL just kind of fits with that. And ION folks and the WTGL folks are bullish on is ION is giving the WTGL a dedicated night.

4:46Tuesday nights at 8 p.m., WTGL is going to be on ION throughout November, December. Importantly, that's one thing that the men's league really has struggled with over its first two years on ESPN networks. It's bounced around from Sunday afternoons to Monday nights to Tuesday nights to Wednesday nights on different networks. You kind of had a hard time finding out where that was going to air. So for the W, having a dedicated night, a franchise night on Tuesday, I think is a big win for them. Ion's in 128 million homes, so they get that reach. So I think it's largely a positive for the W with these two-year deals that they've signed going into this year.

5:21And I know it's an experiment, but I remember going into the first season of TGL. The thing that really got me as a casual to come in were the names associated with it. I can see Tiger, and I can see Rory, and a bunch of other players I was able to recognize. I'm going through this list of LPGA players that are going to be playing. And I recognize Michelle Wee West who really isn't on the LPGA. And beyond that, it's like there isn't really a big draw there. And then you're talking about putting on ION. And yes, the WNBA, when it has certain teams playing in those windows, like Caitlin Clark and maybe the Dallas Wings, it gets decent numbers there on ION.

5:56But I'm not seeing good returns, for the numbers at least, for NWSL. Those are very paltry. And for the PWHL, those were very paltry. I think it's going to be a struggle to get some decent numbers there for WTGL in season one, unless they can get some really big names and establish themselves. Yeah, and the biggest point of criticism to this point about WTGL is how do you market these women? When Nellie Corder has been the number one player, she's been number one or number two in the world for the last five years or so. Nellie Corder is not competing in WTGL. That's a big miss for the league not having her.

6:29They do have other big names like Brooke Henderson, like Charlie Hull, like Lydia Ko, Gino Titicum is playing. Those are some big names in women's golf, but are those big enough names too? Yes, too casual fans. I'm a very casual golf fan. I didn't know half of those. So that's an uphill climb for WTGL in terms of getting this league off the ground. And I don't expect viewership on those matches to be huge, but maybe it's a little bit higher than it would be if it was on a secondary network or something like that. So, Austin, on WTGL, you know, the men's TGL on ESPN has averaged, you know, right around half a million viewers over its first two seasons.

7:06What would you expect WTGL to average, you know, whether it's on an ABC or whether it's on an ION? Like, what kind of numbers are we looking at here? I don't expect it to get to that sort of number. If they average 350 ,000 viewers for this season on ION, you know, I'd be surprised. I think that'd be a success. But I think it's going to settle in, you know, between maybe 200 and 300 ,000, which is kind of like what an NWSL game is on ION. I'm just not incredibly bullish about the number it's going to get. And between$200 ,000,$300 ,000 would not be that dissimilar from what you would see. Honestly, it might outrate a lot of weeks on Golf Channel that an LPGA broadcast would draw on a Sunday.

7:41So TGL could be looking at it through that one and saying, hey, maybe we can actually. Yeah. And this is year one. It's a growth. They wanted to establish it as a growth property, but I don't know who I'm coming in to watch. But speaking of numbers, Josh, the biggest of the weekend that came down in Atlanta, you were at the tour championship. but how did that final round from Eastlake do? I think gobsmacked might be the right word for this. I was actually playing golf on Tuesday afternoon. Golf rider plays golf. Golf rider does need to play golf, I feel like, from time to time. So late Tuesday afternoon, I play golf, and I get this number sent to me.

8:12Over 5.7 million viewers for the final round of the Tour Championship. Yes, you had Scotty Scheffler involved. He obviously won the tournament easily, I would say, on Sunday over the last few holes. Victor Hovland was involved. So he had some nice names there, but 5.7 million viewers was the third most watched final round of any golf tournament in 2026. And that was only like 5.7 was basically on par, pun intended, with the final round of the PGA Championship. So you're really talking about the final round of the Tour Championship being right up there as the highest kind of non-masters telecast.

8:43That's what you want. The final round of your marquee event. That's what you want. But like to me, the Tour Championship in recent years has been a little bit sleepy. And honestly, that's why they've kind of revamped the whole thing. That's what Brian Rollap was talking all about last week. So I was very surprised. It's the highest final round since Tiger won back in 2018. When you're making those sorts of comps, the Tiger, that's a good place to be. If you had told me that the Tour Championship would have drawn, I don't know, 4.3 to 4.5 million viewers, I would have said that's a pretty good number for the final round of the Tour Championship.

9:10So to see 5.7 million viewers on the heels of Rollap and his group announcing all these changes that are coming to the Tour Championship, the PGA Tour has to be really happy with those viewership numbers. and really it just continues a very strong through the end of summer. Every week it's been seeing big gains. Their network partners have been up. The Golf Channel's also been seeing pretty nice gains year over year. Their FedEx Cup playoffs, I believe, were up around 20%, 22%, something like that. So it's really just continued a really strong kind of late summer season for the PGA Tour. I'm looking at next season already because I thought it was incredibly smart when the PGA Tour did this a couple of years ago, putting its final event, putting the Tour Championship on this weekend.

9:49And yes, there was some week zero football, but you're not going to run into that with the final round. That's just kind of a Saturday thing. We saw the numbers. There was so much interest on Sunday because there really wasn't much competition. And that's why I thought it was incredibly smart. And I'm hoping next season, when college football moves the start of its season, week one will essentially be in week zero, are there going to be some Sunday games that they're going to have to go up against that could take a bite out of the tour championship audience? It certainly could. Austin, speaking of college football, let's get it started.

10:16and you wanted to pick the brain of a very smart Tennessee ball for this week's sports media podcast. Charles Davis talking about week one, what to expect. Let's give it a listen. Well, week one is here for college football. And when you turn on Boise State, Oregon on CBS on Saturday, you'll hear the voice of our guest this week. And that's longtime college and pro football analyst, Charles Davis. Charles, welcome into the SBJ Sports Media Podcast. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. No, no, let's get going, man. This is a move back to college football for you. What's your level of excitement to be doing this again?

10:52Charles Davis: You know, it's always interesting when you go from one to another and back. This is the second time for me because way back when, when I first was started, I mean, I cut my teeth on college football, right? So coming through, college football was the deal. And then there was a two-year period when I was with Fox Sports when David Hill shifted me to the NFL to work with Dick Stockton. And of course, I was terrified. Like, I never played in the NFL. How's this going to work? The whole deal. And fortunately, got through it, blah, blah. And then Fox Sports shifted me back to college football when they acquired their full college football package, as you see today.

11:31Charles Davis: And I was working with Gus Johnson and a great team there and did all that. And then back to the NFL. You know, so I've done that. And when I went back to the NFL, I believe 2015 season at Fox and then on to CBS in 2020, still in the NFL. So this is my first year back in college football on a full time basis since 2014. So a long winded answer to your question about level of excitement. It's really high. Well, I don't want to break any news to you, but the college space has shifted a little bit since 2014. There might be some things that are different. Yeah, just a little bit. I think Ichabod Crane can apply a little bit.

12:16Charles Davis: Fortunately, I was awake and watching college football and seeing things happen. But until you start getting immersed in it, then it really hits you just how much certain things have changed. And it's been very interesting working to catch up, working to learn all these other things, working to see how the ecosystem is now as opposed to what it was in 2014. And I'd say just like most things in this world, some things you find the same, some things you find different, and some things you wish would go back to the way they were. It's the way it always works. Well, I first have to thank you for the first Ichabod Crane reference on the SBJ Sports Media pod.

12:52I don't know when we're going to get that again, so I have to point it out. But you're going to be teaming up with Brad Nessler at CBS. How do you prepare to work with someone for the first time? Like how much or do you study that play by play person?

13:05Charles Davis: Yeah, I think that I've been able to study Brad just by osmosis. I mean, he's been a star in this business for many, many years. And I remember coming up in the ranks, looking at Brad Nessler as one of the top people in the biz, one of the people that you're saying, boy, if you ever sit next to a person like that, that means you've worked your way up in the business as well, because he's always been upper echelon for as long as I've known. so by osmosis you've heard Brad you've listened to his calls you've seen him with different partners doing different things the second part is you get to know each other you get to say hello now we knew each other before but we haven't worked together and there's also that do you get together and do mock games do you get together and just hang out do you get together everyone approaches it differently.

13:56Charles Davis: I think for us, it's just talking, you know, spending time together. And then it's incumbent upon me to listen. Brad makes the call. Let me listen to him. He finishes call. Then it's ostensibly my turn. You know, when I joined up with CBS with Ian Eagle, you know, that was COVID year. We didn't do any practice games. Didn't do any practice rehearsals. We did nothing. The first time we did anything together with the headsets on was the Cleveland Browns at Baltimore Ravens season opener. Because remember, there was no preseason that year. So if I do my job and work hard to listen to my partner and to listen to Jenny Dell, my other partner, then we've got a chance to be okay.

14:45Charles Davis: This is on me. This isn't on them. So these early season games, first couple of weeks of the season, And like, how difficult is the preparation going to be given that you have so many players in so many different places from the previous season, given that the transfer portal is this giant game of musical chairs now? Yeah, I had to remember that I've done this before. All right. College football has always had way more players in the NFL, right? Because the NFL numbers have crept up to 53 and then on game day, it's 46. Right. I mean, for the bulk of my growing up, the numbers were in the 40s. All right.

15:17Charles Davis: So that's always been the NFL game. The college game has always been non-conference games. You can suit up as many people as you want. So I'm used to that. But to go from where I was for all those years back to it, yeah, you know, your memory muscles have to kick into place and you have to spend the extra time. But that's just part of it. Each sport, each thing you do has its own little challenges inherent. And if you're involved in it, you're going to either accept the challenge or you're not going to be in it for long. So, you know, it'd be a little more difficult in terms of names and all that.

15:50Charles Davis: But no one at home cares. You know that. No one at home cares. They're like, hey, you're up there. You should know this. That's up to me. All right. I'm going to put you in the time machine for a second. What do you remember most about the first time that you put on a headset to call a game? And what do you think most about as you now prepare to call games? Oh, I love that question. What I remember most was that feeling of, hey, you sat on the couch and watched other people do it and thought, I can do that. Now, guess what? You're doing it. And that's a whole different aspect than it was sitting on the couch going, oh, yeah, because on the couch, you can sit there and I made that call before they did.

16:32Charles Davis: Oh, I saw something they didn't see. And then you get up there and the perspective changes. Right. Now someone's talking in your ear. You have to be conscious of the partner. Where's the camera? Why am I sweating like Albert Brooks in broadcast news? All those things kick in. That's what I remember most is that it felt like warp speed up there. Things that now are second nature. But that day, Memphis State and Mississippi State, August 31, 1997. I remember it not because, oh, wow, that was your first game. But that evening, Princess Di got into her car crash and died. So it became a date because I was up all night watching that after the ball game.

17:18Charles Davis: But that's my first one, and it was warp speed. Now, I'm not concerned about the speed or the pace, all of that. I feel very comfortable with. Am I going to do a good job with my partners, with my producer and director, with all my teammates, who's running camera, who's doing everything there? And am I going to give people at home the right call, an honest call? Now, the truth of the matter is, most people will find bias in everything you say. Just the way it works. You learn it over time, right? You just learn it over time. You do the best job you can and the chips will fall. But when you walk away from it, did I give it the right call?

17:57Charles Davis: Did I do that? And let's be honest, most of the time we walk away going, I wish I'd said this. I should have done this a little bit differently. I think it's like anything else in this world, people in business, right? People, whatever you do every day. The end of the day, Benjamin Franklin used to kind of do a check mark on how he did that day. Did he accomplish the tasks he wanted to accomplish and graded himself? Well, within your own self-grading, probably there's some error that goes along with that too. But we do self-grade in a big way. Oh, absolutely. And that sound you hear is everybody under the age of 40 Googling broadcast news because they'd never heard of that movie or maybe even Albert Brooks.

18:38But definitely need to check out that movie if you haven't.

18:40Charles Davis: Thank you for reminding me because one of my previous partners, Edna Washburn, used to tease me all the time and say, hey, man, you know about 8 % of the people got your reference, dude. You're getting old. So I have to work on finding some of these younger ones and fit in without sounding like I'm trying just a bit too hard to be hip. You know, I saw it just a couple of years ago. It holds up. So yeah, people can still check out that movie. It's still a classic. So what skill or skills have helped you the most in your various roles in sports? And I'm talking about from a broadcaster to serving as an assistant athletic director at Stanford to working operations at Disney's Wide World of Sports to running a PGA Tour event.

19:23You've done a lot. What skills have helped you through all that?

19:25Charles Davis: I think all of them involve working with people. Everything that you've mentioned there, it starts with people. And I feel like I'm getting ready to either do a TED Talk or I'm reading a manual or what have you, right? And it almost sounds trite, but every one of them does. Well, in the job that we're in now, you start with people because you are a teammate of a play-by-play person, of a sideline person, of a producer, director, assistant director, every job that goes along with it. The people who are operating the cameras on the sidelines, up on the carts, the cart going up and down the field, the sky cam going over the top.

20:01Charles Davis: The people who get you to and from the game by your travel, right? The people who pick you up at the airport and take you. I could go on and on, right? When we say it takes a village, it does. And it's like a traveling circus each and every week. But if I don't get to know everyone that I work with, because there's an inherent thanks to everything that goes on, everyone's doing their job, but only a few of us are going to be recognized for it because we're the front facing people. Okay. So making sure the people that I work with understand, hey, you've been busting it, man. He or she has done an incredible job to help me get ready.

20:42Charles Davis: That's why I think every one of those jobs, I was dealing with people. I was dealing with circumstances. I was dealing with time elements. I was dealing with adversity, right? Issues that came up. Buddy Teevens, the former head football coach at Dartmouth and other places. Extremely successful. Incredible man. Miss him terribly. All right. He always says, adjust and improvise. That's what you say all the time. A &I, Coach Davis. A &I. Adjust and improvise. Anything that would pop up is immediate solution. Adjust and improvise. Study what's in front of you. What's the issue? How do we adjust? Do we have to improvise in what we're doing?

21:21Charles Davis: And let's keep this bad boy moving. I miss Buddy terribly, but I think about every day. Justin Improvise. All right, Josh, a couple of quick hitters here to wrap things up. You've hosted the National Football Foundation Award Center four times now. What would be the ultimate event or ceremony for you to host or emcee, sports or otherwise? Ooh. Well, if it's anything, I'd love to host the Oscars. There we go. How cool would that be? That'd be off the charts. Josh, tomorrow, if you're listening, let's make this happen. Come on. Let's make a phone call here. I think we could have some fun, you know?

21:54I think we could have some fun. College football playoff 12 teams, 16, 20, 24 Where do you stand? I'm old school, four I mean

22:03Charles Davis: I want this college football season To conclude on January the 1st Like the old days I am really, really old school I'm almost a Luddite when we're talking about the technology world Right? But four teams, finish it up around the 1st of January And let's keep it moving We are now playing a professional football season In college football I realize the NILs made things different. I realize the payment. I understand the arguments for expanding and having more. I totally get that. I think there's a lot of what Tony Petiti's saying in the Big Ten and other coaches are saying and echoing, hey, if you have 24, your fan base is still involved later in the season because you still have a shot to get in.

22:47Charles Davis: I totally get that. I also think a lot of coaches think that, hey, if it's 24, that's more opportunities for me with job security and whatever. And I used to tease a couple of my friends and say, okay, that's cool. But if you get to 24 and you don't get in, now the opposite is actually the case. Because they're saying, everyone's in. How are you not? So there's two sides to this thing. Just remember that. But yeah, if it were up to me, I'd be at four. And we'd end the season around January 1. I don't think I'm the only person who feels that way in terms of the coaching fraternity. But let's face it.

23:19Charles Davis: Once you've gotten to where we are now at 12, you're not going back. you're going forward. I would expect 24 before I would expect 4. Yeah, that cat is unfortunately out of the bag, but I hear where you're coming from. And like you said, a lot of people do feel like Lesk would be more for the sport. We'll get you out of here on this. What was your favorite bowl game experience while you were playing for the Tennessee Volunteers? Oh, that's real easy. Listen, in 1985, we had a magical season at Tennessee, and we won the SEC championship for the first time in 16 years. And we're at a place that's used to winning that has a lot of tradition with it our fans were starved for it okay and then we win the sec we go to the sugar bowl for the first time in all that time frame our people were cranked up we upset a really great miami team i mean you go back and look at that roster you will come back and say how did you guys do that we beat them 35 7 that night and finished i think number four in the country and we became known in tennessee lore as the sugar vols because we hadn't been in so long.

24:21Charles Davis: So that was my number one memory. But if you talk about an absolute bowl experience, anyone who's ever played in the Sun Bowl that doesn't tell you that their experience was just off the charts incredible, then I don't know what they were doing while they were in El Paso. Those people, that Sun Bowl committee and the people there do such a phenomenal job in making sure you're comfortable. What do you need? How can we assist? What's going on? Absolutely great. Bernie Olivas and that crew, fantastic. Look, I'm getting ready to call my first Sun Bowl this year. I know it's called something else now, right?

24:56Charles Davis: Sponsor name. But that experience has stayed with me my entire career. Because I remember being young, and when you were young, you were thinking, God, this season's long. Do we really want to go to that bowl game? And then you get a few years past, and you realize every bowl you went to was great. And they were. Every one was fantastic. fantastic but i will say experience wise how we were treated hosted the sun bowl was the best one for me the sugar bowl had more impact because of what we were playing for and what the stakes were well charles i really appreciate you coming on the pod this week charles davis you can catch him on cbs all college football season and i think it's the tony the tiger sun bowl these days i can't even keep up with the names that's the name i've heard lately and we know it's great So that part is terrific But yeah, I'm really looking forward to this And just one last quick statement of appreciation for Gary Danielson And the standard that he set in the seat I'm getting ready to jump into It is really considerable It is a high bar So Dick Fosbury, again, Google it, folks He had to figure out a way to go over that bar a different way I've got to try and meet that bar myself But Gary set an incredible, incredible standard Class, professionalism, expertise, all those things.

26:13Charles Davis: I've got big shoes to fill, as they say. I'll never fill them. I'll just try and do it a little bit differently and try and meet his standard. Love it. And thank you for the Fosbury flop reference to wrap things up. Charles, thanks again for coming on. Thank you. Appreciate your time. All right. Thanks, Austin, and to Charles Davis, a great player at Tennessee. 13 interceptions during his time there. I remember, well, actually, I don't. I wasn't even born yet when he was there. But a great conversation with Charles. But you're the old man in here, Jeff. You weren't around for the 60s, 70s volunteers?

26:40Was not. I was a late bloomer. So anyway, Austin, let's stay with college football here. Talk a little bit of viewership. Who were your winners around week zero at college football last weekend? Well, this is a rarity when talking about North Carolina football, but they were a winner in week one with that audience for the Aer Lingus Classic from Dublin. That win over TCU, around 4.9 million viewers. Up big from what Kansas State and Iowa State, same game, same window last year on ESPN, what they were able to deliver. Just below what Georgia Tech and Florida State delivered around 5 million viewers two years ago for that same game.

27:10But people love to watch the Jackets beating up on the Noles. What can I say? A lot of Tech and Tennessee talk on this podcast this week. Oh, for all those Georgia Tech and Tennessee listeners that want to come in. But also some really good numbers, though, for the championship of the Little League World Series, the international one on Sunday, the best since 2023. Overall, Little League World Series across ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, that tournament best since 2015. So another reason that they put it on this weekend is because there's just not a lot going on. Little League World Series took care of that.

27:38And Josh, another property that was able to take advantage of this weekend was the U.S. Open. Open day, the main draw on Sunday, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2. Best opening day for U.S. Open coverage yet for those networks. Probably highlighted by Novak Djokovic playing in prime time. That five-set loss, you know, he's going to be out. That's probably going to take away from some eyeballs here in the early parts and even later parts of the tournament. Yeah. And before we go, Josh, I got to ask you because, you know, you're a Charlotte area native as well. We found out Days of Thunder come in 2028. Are you excited?

28:10Yeah. Again, you mentioned both of us kind of native Charlotteans, Paramount Carowinds nearby. I'm a carpetbagger. I can't call myself a native. Well, I mean, you've been here long enough. Paramount Carowinds for a long time had the Days of Thunder ride that you could go and sit in a movie theater. That was like one of the longest lines there. Always. Because it was one of the first motion simulators. Yeah, for sure. And this is when Paramount actually owned the amusement park here. So you had Top Gun and a bunch of other rides. I grew up in a racing family. I think I've said on this podcast before, my dad worked on a NASCAR pit crew back in the 80s.

28:40You know, so I had a lot of connection to that. We loved going on that ride. I actually have never seen the movie. So I am excited to maybe catch, maybe I'll catch both of them now. But I actually have never seen a lot of brand, brand affinity in my family, though, like Mellow Yellow from, you know, the sponsor of that car, Days and Son of Us. That was a big drink in our family growing up. So maybe that's where that came from, but I actually have yet to see the movie. You know, I don't want to shame you because I still have not seen Hoop Dreams, and I sit here and talk about my love for documentaries, and it had just been sitting on my queue for I don't even know how long.

29:12So I'm going to embarrass myself and say I need to sit down and watch Hoop Dreams, one of the best sports documentaries I hear of all time. Okay. Well, you watch Hoop Dreams, and I'll go watch both Days of Thunder once a second one actually comes up. All right, Josh. Well, that does it for this week's SBJ Sports Media Podcast. thanks again to our guest Charles Davis of CBS and as always thank you to our production team of Chris Mason, Reginald Walker and AC Wyatt and finally thank you for listening please make sure to like and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts for Josh Carpenter, I'm Austin Carp make good choices out there and we will talk to you all again next week