Grok 4.5 is a bigger deal than Fable

0:00I'll say it. I'm a Grok convert. And I don't say it lightly. Grok 4.5 is a huge deal. By the end of this episode, you're going to understand how to use Grok 4.5 with Hermes to act as almost this AI co-founder for you. We break down everything for you every step of the way. And the people that stick around to the end of this episode, I believe will be able to outperform 99 % of people on this planet. Grok 4.5, I didn't think it was a big deal, but it is a big deal. And by the end of this episode, I think you'll be a convert too. Enjoy the episode.

0:42Nick from Orgo, back on the pod. He's my agent guy. I had to bring you back on, Nick, because I'm seeing a lot of buzz hype around Grok 4.5. Nick, by the end of the episode, what are people going to learn? I'm going to teach you everything there is to know about why Grok 4.5 is the best model to be running inside of something like Hermes or OpenClaw today. And the real big unlock here is to treat it like a genuine co-founder, something that has access to all your tools, capabilities, so on and so forth. And stop being so shy about what AI can do. when you give a tool like Hermes and you run it with Grok and it's so you know it just wants to reach for every tool and actually go out and do things for you that's the big unlock and a lot of people they're going to experience for the first time what that feels like with Grok 4.5 just because of how fast cheap and accessible it is to everybody so yeah I'm excited to get this in the hands of everyone okay so I mean walk me through that a little bit like you know what Why is this Grok 4.5 release so big?

1:49And why should people care? So the biggest thing with Grok, the reason why it's such a kind of viral moment right now is because we've had intelligent models since Opus 4.5 came out. And in a lot of ways, the release of something like Opus 4.5 from Anthropic back in December and January, that was what led to the Claudebot, the OpenClaw moment. That model capability unlocked something with these harnesses to be able to use tools for these AI agents that before was like, you know, really not possible. And now with Grok 4.5, you have that insane level of intelligence of something like Opus 4.8 today, one of the most advanced models from Anthropic.

2:36but also you have it at a fraction of the cost and then at a, at a fraction of the time that it would usually take for it to complete a task. I mean, this model is insanely, insanely fast. And it just unlocks like a new user experience for something like open claw or Hermes. Like it really makes it feel like it's a brand new fresh product just because of how capable it is. So yeah, I would say like that's the biggest breakthrough with, with Grog 4.5. And then, of course, like all in the same week we have now, Meta just came out with their Spark 1.1 model and GPT 5.6 Soul came out. And I've tested all of them.

3:16And I think that they're all great. Like they have their benefits. For instance, GPT is a lot better at like computer use tasks. But still today, like to this day, and I guess the last 48 hours, I haven't been sleeping much. Grok 4.5 is just my workhorse. and so I just think that everyone should just be plugging this into their current stack, connecting it to their tools and seeing what it could do. So on this FigJam, like what am I looking at exactly? Yeah, so here I'm just kind of trying to demonstrate a lot of people when they think of something like Hermes or OpenClaw, the first place that their mind goes to is automation and just like I could be hands off and things are just going to be solved for me And I think that's great and that's fine and all, but I actually think it's like the wrong frame of mind.

4:03And let me tell you why. I think with automations, we've had automations for a while now, like even pre-AI, we've been able to automate tasks and create kind of workflows and deterministic pipelines of like things that could be automated, quote unquote. But to me, that's not the big unlock of something like Hermes and OpenClaw. To me, the unlock is I genuinely feel like I have an AI co-founder who, A, has access to all the different tools that matter to me and all the different context and just everything that would make a co-founder great in terms of capability. That's what Hermes today, my Hermes, has access to.

4:46His name is Dewey. And Dewey has his own computer, his own email, his own phone number, his own debit card. Of course, there's Obsidian Vault. And I think people need to stop being so shy about the tools that they're giving their agent. Because the minute you give it more of these tools and connectors and capabilities, that's when the magic really comes out. And then a model release like this, 4.5 Grok, it really just takes everything to the next level. And overnight, your whole stack just got 10xed. So, okay. So, you know, someone listening to this, maybe they buy this. They're like, okay, Grok 4.5.

5:23It's the bee's knees. This is how I should be using it. Can you give some examples? Like, can you show, you know, how someone could actually be utilizing Grok 4.5 and use it in this particular way? For sure. Yeah. We can just like walk through how you might be able to use this as like, yeah, your side by side companion. So first and foremost, when you're setting up Hermes, like obviously I'm co-founder of Orgo, we give you a cloud computer to install Hermes or OpenClaw inside of. And we just make it really simple to get up and going with building out these AI agents. And so this is Dewey's computer here in Orgo.

6:06And this is entirely operated by my Hermes agent, and he lives inside of here. And what I'm going to do, for instance, is I have my terminal here on my computer that I can message Dewey. And first things first, I'll tell him to spin up a new dashboard so we can kind of see all the configurations and tools that he has access to. So give me one sec. Let me just connect to him. I'm going to say, spin up your Hermes dashboard on your computer. And I can share this over here. So this is my terminal on my local computer. And I'll zoom in real quick. This is my terminal on my local computer. I'm just telling my Hermes agent Dewey to spin up his dashboard on his computer for the Hermes agent local dashboard.

6:59And we'll be able to see it on his computer here. And so one of the big unlocks, one of the things I want to demonstrate in this video is when you give your Hermes agent access to all these tools and connectors and you have a model like Grok 4.5 with its insane speed running underneath and powering it like I'm going to show you all the cool different demos and use cases for instance content idea generation thumbnail creation finding viral startup ideas or your content ideas you can see here it pulled up its dashboard here and I'll maximize this and make this a big screen here. But yeah, all of the different cool use cases that you can do when you really give it access to all these tools.

7:47You can see here I have a bunch of different MCPs, plugins, everything installed. This is like my stack. So I can kind of walk through first and foremost what that looks like and then dive into um yeah like a kind of side by side me and my my hermes grok 4.5 co-founder let's do that yeah so um the first thing that i do with every obviously with every agent i set it up on orgo i give it an orgo computer so i can do this can pull things up for me and i can see it um and i connect it to all my tools so the first tool that i love by the way yeah i know i know you're a co-founder of Orgo, but if there's Orgo and if they didn't, what's the alternative to Orgo?

8:33Just setting it up on a local machine or how should people think about it? Yeah, you can set it up on your local machine. I mean, I don't like doing that with Hermes or OpenClock because the minute you turn your computer off, all of a sudden your agent is off, you can't text it. So you can set it up on other cloud providers there's companies like hostinger or herzner um i'm obviously biased but we genuinely i think we really do make the simplest easiest way to spin it up you can see here we have a template option and we just have a template out of the box to spin up a hermes open claw cloud code and then build your own templates i have my own template like my nick stack which has all my connectors and by the way i'll include this in the i'll give this to your everyone have access to so they can spin up an Orgo template using my stack and everything that I'm going to talk about today.

9:23You don't have to configure it yourself. You'll just be able to use my stack and spin up a template in Orgo. So yeah, a bunch of options out there for kind of where these agents live. And the biggest thing is I just love the ability to tell my Hermes agent, my Dewey, hey, spin up a new computer with a Hermes agent inside of it configured with Grok 4.5 and it'll do that in the same workspace. Should I show you that? Should I show you that? Yeah, for sure. Let me show you. So if I tell Dewey here, hey, spin up in your Minions workspace in Orgo a new computer with Hermes installed and Grok 4.5 powering it as the model.

10:14and because my agent lives inside of an orgo computer it'll be able to spin up a new orgo computer with hermes already installed and everything configured um so yeah like when you're using something like orgo and you're setting up agents and ai employees for other businesses for instance like i've been on a call with a customer who wants a new agent's one up for a certain use case and i'll just text my agent to do it right then and there and it'll build it out for me. So, and you're going to see here, this is a great use case of like the sheer grittiness of Grok 4.5 and just like A, how it just, it's like, it's one thing for a model to be fast, but it's another thing for it to be fast and thorough.

10:59And there it goes. So it spun up a new computer, Hermes Grok 4.5. Boom, this is a fresh computer and it installed Hermes inside of it. And we're going to wait and see what it's saying. Okay, Box is up, installing Hermes, injecting the API key, pinning Grok as the model. It's insane. It's so cool. The other thing is, from what I understand, it's also relatively cheap. Am I right? Oh my gosh, yeah. So it is. Here's the paradox of this, Greg. This is what's fascinating. truly like I it's it's not entirely intuitive or obvious that this might be the case but when you have a model like grok 4.5 and it's like whoa this is like a tenth of the cost of something like fable and it's like oh this this is like 10x like literally 10 to 15x faster than something like fable at completing a task and then you think like that's going to save a lot of money in it and it does but then what ends up happening is you're able to do so much more work and it's not like you're just going to stop at what you would have accomplished with fable.

12:08If what you were to accomplish with fable would have taken you eight hours and you do it in one hour with grok, it's not like for the next seven hours, you're just not going to do anything. You're just going to do more work in that next seven hours. So then you're going to spend more money. So for me, I got the 300 a month super grok plan. And I think I'm at like, let me see. I can see it right here. i'm at 24 left i literally got this the minute grok 4.5 came out i'm at 24 left already so i mean i'm burning through a lot of tokens but um i think it's worth it for yourself proclaimed token maxer i am a self-proclaimed but i'm and i look like i i show no loyalty to any lab okay i have them all i have the codex i have the clod i have perplexity i have grok and and so i when i tell you that this model is great and that i recommend it it's genuinely it's an unbiased position like i just think that it's such a big unlock and i want everyone to have access to that and so i'm going to advocate for that you know so let's see here okay so the new minions hermes box is live on grok 4.5 it spun it all up and so now when i'm when i'm here instead of Orgo, inside of this computer, I can actually connect to this the same way I connected to my Dewey.

13:27I'm just going to SSH into this computer. I can spin up a new terminal. Oh, let me, I can spin up a new terminal, connect to that, run Hermes. And now here we are. So now this is the new Hermes agent that Dewey just spun up and I can say, hi, testing. And let's see. hi i'm here you see how fast that is and i'll say just open chrome just to show that like it has its own computer here it's going to open chrome and it's a chrome is installed launching it so it should open it up let's see i will say what i love a model that's fast like you because you get into the flow right you're like back forth back forth back forth and it just feels so nice Oh my gosh.

14:13Yeah. That is like, for me, like with Grok, the big unlock exactly was that. Like I got so used to, uh, like GPT 5.5 to like sending off a task and letting it run in the cloud, like asynchronously, just like, okay, I come back to it 10 minutes later. but with grok i'm like i have to be so hands-on and i'm just like going back and forth back and forth i'm like i i need to i need to up my aptitude you know um so there it goes let's blend that up uh and it's all everything's ready to go so that's really cool um and you know what okay i'm gonna do this too i'm gonna tell it let's also so i don't know if you saw this greg with the GPT 5.6 Sol.

14:56Did you get a chance to play with that? I did. So I want to spin up another Hermes agent with GPT 5.6 Sol as the model running it. And that way we can compare the two, maybe, on some tasks in this video as well. So I'll have Dewey do that as well. Oh, I sent that into the wrong computer. Let me stop. This is the Grok. This is not Dewey. Let me tell it to the Dewey agent. You have so many computers. What a privileged life you live. Oh my gosh. I think I'm managing over at this point on Orgo. I think there's around like 200 computers that I have in my fleet of just agents. And so when I tell you like a stack that I'm using, it's me in the trenches.

15:47I'm deploying these things into businesses. There it goes. There's Hermes Sol. You can see it over here on the left over here. And so I've broken a lot of things. I've gotten things to work. So when I recommend something, it's from the genuine of my heart. I don't want you guys to fail. And I'm looking out for you. So yeah. So we'll have a Hermes spin up here for 5.6 solo so we can kind of compare a couple of the use cases here. But to get back to kind of that stack, that's the computer element. And the next thing is obviously giving it an email, giving it a phone number, giving it a debit card and the knowledge base and memory layer.

16:35Having it connect to all these tools, super valuable, super important. And then all of your apps. And there's a lot of great tools for that i use for connecting it to our apps i use uh this company called composio and they make it really easy to just one click connect to all these different tools and then you give just the composio connector to your hermes agent and it has access to all of it um so let's see here so now we have the hermes soul i'm going to connect to this computer copy this spin up a new terminal here ssh into that run hermes and here's gpt 5.6 so i'll tell it to open up chrome to make sure it's working and we'll let it cook on that so back here to dewey um we have it connected to all these different tools and connectors and you can see here i'll just kind of talk real quick to what it's connected to.

17:40I won't go through how to set it all up because, honestly, you could just tell your agent, I want to set up with all this stuff and it'll be really easy. It'll help you do that. But I use agent card, agent mail, agent phone, and Composio. And now I've met with all these people. I live here in the Bay and we all get together. We have dinner, come by offices. And so these are all incredible startups, incredible people. people. So I really like the teams, but I also just really love their products. And I like to think that we're the agent mafia. And the tools are very, you know, the same way we use Gmail for us, our agents need their own email.

18:23The same way I might use a Twilio for spinning up a phone number for somebody on our team, I'm going to use agent phone to give my agent, its phone, so on and so forth. I have my idea browser connector here. That's going to be super useful for coming up with startup ideas and building them out with taste. I use this tool called Latitude. This is an observability kind of tool that allows me to see when my agent is failing or it'll detect when I'm frustrated talking to my agent. and then it'll give me like a kind of a signal to say, hey, we should add this capability or fix this use case for your agent.

19:04And latitude is great for that. It's like an observability thing. And then I also have it connected to like things like linear or go. Oh, have you used the X API, the X MCP? I haven't, but heard good things. Tell me about it. the the xmcp is i think it's pretty recent i think they came out with it a couple weeks ago maybe yeah uh i used it before jumping on the show just now with you i was like hey what should what should me and greg what's a good viral uh twitter what's going you know viral on twitter right now what's some good content ideas that we can jam on uh and so it's really good at picking up trends uh and then also just looking at your bookmarks looking at if you want it to give it access to your direct messages.

19:51Fun story. I had this person reach out to me and he had a big following and kind of like the personal finance space. And we were just DMing back and forth on X. And he's like, yeah, I would like to jump on a call. I'd like to build out an agent for like personal finance. And I just told Dewey to create a Hermes agent for his use case based off of the conversation I was having with him on Twitter. And I didn't have to paste anything. It just read my dms with him read the context built the computer built the agent and he's been texting it now and playing with it the last two days with the grok 4.5 which he's spoiled because that's his first experience of hermes is grok 4.5 and he's like texting me like oh my god dude like this is insane i've never had anything like this is like wow and it's true it's insane and then lastly vid iq have you used vid iq i'm actually an investor in vid iq wow I invested in vidIQ in 2013.

20:52Fun story for a separate pod of the ups and downs of that business. I almost ran out of money, ended up pivoting. If I even wasn't an investor, I'm a daily active user of vidIQ just because I create content on YouTube sometimes, as you know. Yep. And it's helpful to see tags, to see how things are performing and stuff like that. I love it. Yeah, it's a great product. I discovered it for it tells you what videos are outliers. So for people that don't know vidIQ, you can download like the extension. You can see I have it here on the top right corner. And when you're on YouTube, it'll tell you what videos are like outlier videos.

21:36And so for my Hermes agent, Dewey, that's useful because I can ask him like, hey, what are the top outliers A for my channel, but also for other people in my niche? And then I can kind of like spin off of that as an inspiration to make just infinite content ideas. And once again, Grok 4.5, really, really good at this. so yeah that's that's pretty much my stack right here long story short give it access to every tool that you can imagine being useful for you and don't be shy about it and then yeah now we can kind of like get into sort of the the use cases and build out process of what it's capable of doing now.

22:20Let's do it. So here I have a few terminals. So this first terminal is Dewey. And obviously he spun up these computers here and he's telling that for us. But now what I want to do is I just want to start a new session here. I'll do slash new and I'll say I want to build. Let's treat them like a co-founder, like genuinely. Let's say I want to build a new startup idea. I have the idea browser MCP. I have the X MCP. And I have other search tools for grounding your response in the right context. Come up with like maybe 10 startup ideas using all these tools that we could build out today. And so I'm just going to send this off to Grok.

23:20And I will even show just like here, like I know sometimes maybe watching me type and enter off a prompt into my agent, maybe that's boring for some people. But look at how the use of the tools, how explorative it is. This is really my point. And it's that it's going to use every tool available to it. And so when you're wanting to experience the powerfulness, the potential of a model, this is really how you let it shine. It's giving you access to everything and seeing how it explores that and how resourceful it is and how it ties it all together. By the way, I haven't talked about Idea Browser MCP on this podcast really.

24:08But what it is, people know I'm a co-founder in Idea Browser. I haven't talked about it, but it's probably one of the most slept on MCPs that exist. It basically just levels up your LLM so that whatever idea you build, it has what people call taste. It has, because it's trained on thousands of startup ideas, data points, landing pages that work, landing pages that don't work, apps that work, and stuff like that. So that was the idea around the idea of browser MCP for people interested. i love it it's like it's actually it's honestly like my main way of how i interface with idea browser just because with every tool that i use like the interfaces are for for me all the interfaces are kind of disappearing even for like using orgo like i just text my agent and my agents connected all the tools and and so if if you guys haven't heard like that's this big saying going around that like sass is when people say sass is dead software as a service is dead or they say interfaces are dead.

25:11They're not dead. Like I'm paying for more software than I've ever paid for in my life because of agents. It's just that the way in which we interact with them and the way in which we interface with them is just changing. And yeah, it's kind of coming down to just texting your agent. And I think in the next couple months, it's going to be a lot of advancements with voice use cases. I think we've yet to have the Claudebot open claw moment for voice. And when we do, I think it'll be beautiful because we're going to be able to just go out on a walk all day and talk to our agents and they're going to be doing stuff for us in the cloud on Orgo or whatever.

25:52And I mean, I think that's just like, that's so cool to me. So, um, so yeah, we have, we have idea browser being used here. And yeah, Grok is just going crazy. He's just going through all these tools. So while he's doing that, this is Dewey that's doing all of this for kind of searching for these startup ideas. While Dewey's doing that, I can come over here to the Hermes that's running the gpd 5.6 soul and i'll show that that terminal here you can see that we had him open up chrome just as a test to see if it's working and so what i want to do is we have hermes running soul here and we have grok 4.5 running hermes here and these are both fresh hermes instances and i would like to compare them in terms of how they could perform at like maybe a similar task so people can see for themselves just how they stack up against each other.

26:57What's a good use case that we should do, Greg, of just a simple task that might be simple enough for both of them to give a shot at? Maybe doing a one-pager. Say we're building a startup idea, but we want a one-pager business. Almost like a mini deck, right? In a one-page. yeah yeah let's just do then let's say like let's build a simple one pager landing page for a startup idea um and just use use um and i'll say open it up in your browser so i can see it and i'm going to copy this prompt and we're going to send it off to uh the grok 4.5 and the sole GPT 5.6 Sol, we're going to send it off to them at the same time.

27:50So I'm going to paste that here. I'm going to hit enter and go back here, hit enter. And so now let's see in Orgo, I'll go from kind of a more project view here and let's see what they build. And who knows, maybe Sol will be faster. OpenAI, they did improve the speed at which GPT 5.6 Sol and Terra and Luna, those are the new names of their models. They really improved the speed a lot. But I still think that Grok just... The edge is in the fact that it's... Yes, it's faster, but it's more cost efficient. You'll run out pretty quickly now with the new Codex models. They're very capable, but for whatever reason, they're a little more token hungry.

28:40And that's one thing about Grok is it's very efficient with its tokens. okay yeah this one yeah croc croc finished already you can see that wow and uh soul is is not done yet but that was crazy that was like what like 40 seconds you know for a full website look it's like good design meetings that write themselves into momentum yeah let's see that is beautiful i mean part of that is the idea browser mcp and stuff like that but the fact that it was able to do that so quickly is remarkable so insane yeah and soul is still cooking but let's is it done built and opened okay it says it's up see this is what i mean i don't know it says it's open i don't see it open okay here it is okay that's pretty nice wow that's pretty nice yeah pretty nice yeah so you can't go wrong with these two new models i mean they're they're getting so good but um i i you know based on these two landing pages i i will say i i do prefer the grok 4.5 landing page from a design and copy perspective but uh they're both they're both pretty excellent yeah i mean how crazy is that that in under a minute we just built like two years ago this would be like people would be like scared like this is like magic yeah um and it's funny because we're like we're all getting a little numb to it um right like so i think uh for me, this moment is like, I, I've, I'm, I'm, I'm not numb anymore.

30:30Like I'm seeing, you know, I was numb for a while, but like looking at this, I'm like, this isn't, it's, it's crazy how quick it is because if you can create these loops for your business, um, you could really, really be making a lot of progress daily. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's, um, what a time to be alive. What a time to be alive. That's for sure. um yeah so let's see the the idea browser okay so let's see so dewey said all right he checked x ai he checked idea browser he checked composio using the exa search tool and the web search and perplexity search these are all the tools i have connected in composio um and so then using all of these market signals like truly scraping everything uh here's top 10 startup ideas that you can start building today.

31:19Trade call, a voice receptionist that books failed service jobs. So it's like a voice agent for plumbers, HVAC, electricians. Okay. I like that. Next one, MCP gateway stricture access control. Audit for agent MCP servers. It scans MCP servers and is like a security scanner. Interesting. A managed AI employee operating system for agencies using Argo and Hermes, but productizing it okay this is actually a really good idea this is you could you could build you could build like a template for uh a specific vertical like like hvac for instance uh on orgo of okay here's the hermes agent with the right prompts and skills and tools and connectors out of the box spins up with one click with a template that you can build uh and you can go after a whole vertical and just like instead of being trying to be like a perplexity computer for 200 a month who's trying to service a whole prosumer market you can go to hvac companies for 5k a month and serve them really really well and they'll happily pay that money because you've solved all the problems for them up front whereas perplexity computer doesn't do that for them up front and yeah you could do that with a managed ai employee kind of operating system genius by the way if anyone's interested in that idea i'm doing a whole 60 minute free podcast episode it's coming out in the next two weeks explaining how to actually build that idea um and uh so you know like comment and subscribe for more of this in your feed love that yeah yeah that's gonna be good I mean, I think that this is like the AI agency space for like creating these managed employees.

33:08It reminds me so much of marketing agencies in like 2013, 2014, who learned Facebook ads, Google paid ads. And I mean, it was just like such a great opportunity to be early on something like that. This is happening all over again, 2026 with managing AI employees for businesses and making like an agency out of it. So a lot of good ideas here. Let's see if it kind of consolidated onto one. Okay. Oh, it did. It said if the goal is cash and a demo and to stack leverage and not just a pure venture kind of theater, like go raise money, something that you... If you wanted to start tomorrow bootstrapped and start making money, it said the best one is a managed AI employee on Orgo and Hermes.

33:56And that's the first one it made. Okay. So very good. Let's trust it. Should we trust it? Let's. So then let's say for a next step, let's pick one of the top three. Okay, let's do the managed AI employee top option. What's the next step? Perhaps a landing page. Can you open it up in your browser after you build it? So we obviously had these quick recap. we had Hermes running sole GPT 5.6 kind of create a website for us just to demonstrate. We had the same on a fresh instance of Hermes Grok 4.5 to demonstrate its landing page capabilities. Now I'm going to have Dewey who has all my context and more kind of understanding of all my tools and me and everything.

34:57We're going to have him do the same for this AI employee business. And let's see kind of the website that he spins up. and then I can show some really cool things too of like, okay, you build a website for this AI employee managed agency business. What else do you need? Well, you need customers. You need to find a way to get customers. How do you do that? I recommend content. Okay, how do I make content? Well, let's ask Dewey to do what he just did for finding a viral startup idea. Let's do that for viral YouTube content ideas. can you make the transcript can you make the thumbnail can you make the uh can you publish it for me can i just text you on telegram and have you publish it and yes by the way it can do all these things um so i just think like wow what a time uh so let's see here okay so he's using some skills here you see he's using the popular web design skills claw design skills oh my gosh it's calling it desk crew very cool okay we'll hang tight on this so while he's cooking on that um i kind of talked through some of the tools here some of the stack in terms of uh trusting your ai co-founder running grok 4.5 um so when you're working with these agents, you see how I'm kind of like on one session right now.