In short
Building an app from zero to a working MVP in about 52 minutes using Idea Browser (to find/validate business ideas) plus OpenAI Codex (to generate PRDs, code, and parallel “cloud agent” tasks like marketing and roadmaps). The episode also covers turning the PRD into a Next.js + Supabase MVP, debugging, and launching via organic X/Twitter outreach.
Guests
Alex (host/guest; co-founder of Idea Browser; runs a holding company that incubates/invests/acquires businesses; focuses on idea generation from social data). Greg (mentioned as co-host/producer; gives props to Idea Browser).
Key claims
“Ideas are the bottleneck,” so Idea Browser + AI helps find buildable gaps. Success comes from repeatedly choosing ideas and building, not waiting for the “perfect” one. Codex’s local vs cloud agents enable parallel work (e.g., marketing plan while code builds). PRDs improve agent output.
Notable examples
Idea Browser “Market Insights” (pain points like email deliverability drops) and “Trends” (wellness app trend). ChatGPT generated app concepts: Mood Mosaic, WellSync Buddy, BioRhythm Coach; then they combined into “Habit Flow” (adaptive wellness habit tracker). Codex built onboarding and a working MVP UI; an error (“set log is not defined”) was fixed by copying the error into Codex. Launch example: posting on X about needing wellness habit ideas, then DMing commenters for beta access.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Importance of Ideas
0:45 to 1:58
Discussion on the significance of generating innovative ideas for app development and business.
“but I think that if it's valuable for me, it's going to be valuable for other people.”
Finding Ideas Through Market Insights
1:58 to 4:31
Explaining how to use market insights to identify pain points and potential ideas.
“And so what I'll do is kind of walk you through how I use it, and we'll choose an idea, and we'll start building it out.”
Exploring Trends for App Ideas
4:31 to 6:32
Using trends to discover viable app ideas based on personal interests.
“It's funny because like when you put it like that, find something that is in a growing industry with low competition that you personally understand and love.”
Generating Ideas with ChatGPT
6:32 to 8:08
How to leverage ChatGPT to create unique app ideas based on identified trends.
“We have Mood Mosaic, which is an expressive mood journaling and creative wellness app for people who want a more visual, playful way to track emotional health.”
Refining App Ideas and Concepts
8:08 to 12:02
Discussion on combining and refining generated ideas into a feasible app concept.
“Like some of these are a little abstract, like mood mosaic.”
Learning from Building
12:02 to 12:59
Emphasizing the value of building multiple ideas to discover successful concepts.
“Some people like relying on the trends and just kind of going with it.”
The Journey to Discovering Winning Ideas
12:59 to 14:00
Examples of successful companies evolving from initial ideas to their final successful products.
“I mean, the idea for Twitter, for example, came from Odeo.”
Understanding OpenAI's Evolution
14:00 to 14:39
Explore how OpenAI transformed its approach based on user interaction.
“And I think it's the same thing with OpenAI.”
Creating a Product Requirements Document
14:39 to 15:10
Learn about the importance of a PRD in app development.
“The last thing we need to do before we start building, which this will be the fun part, is we want to turn this into a PRD.”
Introduction to Codex and Its Functionality
15:10 to 16:15
Discover what Codex is and how it can assist in coding projects.
“to do here is we are going to say, okay, I really like this idea.”
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Setting Up the Development Environment
16:15 to 18:11
Get insights on setting up Visual Studio Code with Codex.
“And no, I think it works really, really well in complement to like a cloud code, for instance.”
Exploring Local vs. Cloud Coding
18:11 to 20:26
Understand the differences between local and cloud coding environments.
“Now, there's a couple things different here if you're more used to Claude Code or Cursor.”
Building the App and Marketing Strategy Simultaneously
20:26 to 23:26
Learn how to manage app development and marketing plans at the same time.
“With that being said, I'll show you all the other cool stuff you can do with cloud agents in a second, but let's get the kind of base app set up here.”
Cross-Platform Productivity with Codex
23:26 to 26:20
Discover how Codex enhances productivity across devices and platforms.
“and these cloud agents that you really didn't have before in cursor or cloud code that you can now take advantage of.”
Debugging and Installing Dependencies
26:20 to 28:00
Learn about handling errors and dependencies during app development.
“So we have it still building out our app.”
Debugging Dependency Issues
28:00 to 29:22
Learn about troubleshooting installation errors and dependency management in app development.
“All right, so we'll do a little bit of debugging here.”
Defining the MVP Roadmap
29:22 to 30:25
Understand the roadmap and phases for developing a minimum viable product (MVP).
“so we can see kind of the MVP version here that we can test.”
Working with Codex vs. Claude
30:25 to 31:58
Explore the differences in workflow between Codex and Claude AI tools for coding.
“It's worth playing around with to see how it fits into your workflow.”
Building the Habit Flow App
31:58 to 33:42
Discover how to create a habit flow application with personalized features.
“i'll have cloud code kind of be the surgical go in and fix that like micro issue that's been working well for me.”
Simplified Debugging Techniques
33:42 to 35:33
Learn about efficient debugging techniques without overcomplicating workflows.
“Alex, check-in preference morning check-in.”
Productivity with Multiple AI Agents
35:33 to 37:51
Understand how to use multiple AI agents to enhance productivity and idea generation.
“Here's my really complex workflow for debugging.”
Researching and Expanding Ideas with AI
37:51 to 41:05
Learn how to leverage AI for researching app ideas and improving concepts.
“And I would use Idea Browser's AI agent to basically scan, you know, scan social sentiment, give data around, you know, is this a good idea and how would it implement it?”
Optimizing Ideas with AI Prompts
41:05 to 42:01
Explore how to use AI-generated prompts for marketing and app development.
“and building out our roadmap for our app.”
Building a Product with V0 API
42:01 to 44:30
Learn how to leverage the V0 API to create a working product quickly.
“And when they generate this report, it automatically builds just the V1, kind of the shell of the page to kind of give that visual inspiration.”
The Power of AI Agents
44:31 to 46:25
Discover how AI agents can streamline app development and marketing.
“And this is, what you can see here is we went from, so far, we're like 40 minutes in.”
Organic Marketing Strategies
46:26 to 49:01
Explore effective organic marketing strategies to gain initial users.
“I'm going to pull open Twitter or X if Elon's watching.”
Leveraging AI to Compete
49:02 to 50:50
Understand how to leverage AI tools to compete with larger companies.
“But also, how do you think I got a huge audience by doing this, what I'm showing you here?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Alex, by the end of this episode, what are we going to learn?
0:03Alex Finn:You are going to learn how you can go from no idea whatsoever to brilliant idea to having the idea fully built out with AI agents. Okay, and could you give us a sneak peek of some of the tools that we're going to be using? We're going to be using two really awesome tools. We're going to be using Idea Browser to come up with a really amazing business idea. and then we're going to be using OpenAI's codex to build out that idea. Okay, let's get started.
0:39I must confess that I built Idea Browser for myself. So I am a co-founder in Idea Browser, but I think that if it's valuable for me, it's going to be valuable for other people. So let's get to it.
0:52Alex Finn:And I must confess, I have absolutely no affiliation with Idea Browser whatsoever. I just find it awesome to find ideas. So let's do it. All right. I am going to share my screen. First of all, props, Greg, on Idea Browser. Awesome, awesome platform for me. Well, the context there, by the way, is that I run a holding company. So we're constantly incubating, investing, and acquiring businesses. So we need ideas. Ideas is the lifeblood of our business. So the whole idea is like, if you can scrape Facebook groups, subreddits, get data and create validated ideas, then you have an unfair advantage. Yeah.
1:32Alex Finn:And I, you know, based I talked to a lot of vibe coders and new people to AI every single day. And, you know, building has never been easier. The challenge is the ideas. People can't come up with good ideas. And so this is a fantastic way to find them so you can find things to build out. I personally use this kind of as like a boxing gym, in a way, idea browser, where it's like, okay, I'm going to go into this. I'm going to find ideas. I'm going to build them out. Not always necessarily will they be million-dollar businesses, but at least I'll get that practice of going from my idea to building.
2:02Alex Finn:And so what I'll do is kind of walk you through how I use it, and we'll choose an idea, and we'll start building it out. But where I like to start off is market insights. What's cool about market insights is it pulls from a lot of the big social media networks, Reddit, Facebook, and you can see what people are talking about, see their pain points, see where there might be solutions and maybe come up with ideas from these. So I don't know too much about psychedelic assisted therapy, but I know a little bit about email deliverability. And so I'll come in here, I'll see what pain points people are having with email deliverability, sudden drops in deliverability.
2:38Alex Finn:If you have a newsletter like I do, you know, this is something you run into all the time. Fear of Google Outlook policy changes, you can really find some cool, interesting pain points to solve from these marketing insights. They give you some solution gaps, places where there are no solutions at the moment, segments that are underserved, a lot of really cool ways you can pull ideas from here. But where I seem to personally find the most ideas to build out is I like to go to trends. This is just like purpose built, ready served on a platter, things you can build out. Like I don't even have to think too hard, right?
3:16Alex Finn:Like website designed for small businesses, wellness app. This is a cool one. So this is, this is one I've been thinking about and it looks like it is having a lot of volume and growth at the moment. And so what I'll do is I'll look for a trend that I myself have interest in because the best products to build out are things you have interest in. I'll click in. and what this is going to do is give me more information on this trend so I can actually pull up the wellness app here it'll tell me a little bit about how many monthly searches this app or this trend is getting tell me about what people are searching for with this trend a wellness app refers to a digital platform designed to support individuals in achieving and maintaining their health and well-being goals and gives me a little bit info on how many people are searching for this.
4:03Alex Finn:And as you can see, a lot of people searching, not a ton of competition. So this for me, when I'm coming into Idea Browser and I'm looking for ideas to build out and practice my building skills, this is kind of exactly what I'm looking for. Things that are having good growth, things with not a lot of competition, and things where I myself am interested. I'm interested in wellness. I work out. I try to eat relatively healthy, not including chocolate. And so this is something I, for me, is a really good candidate for to build out. It's funny because like when you put it like that, find something that is in a growing industry with low competition that you personally understand and love.
4:47Like obviously, you know, your chances of success is going to be highest there.
4:52Alex Finn:Well, the chances of success honestly are 100%. The reason being is like at the very least, even if no one buys the product at all, you've built a product for yourself, right? That'll improve your own life. And like for me, my business creator buddy, I built it because I wanted to build an AI that analyzes my posts. At the very least, if no one bought it, I would have a product for myself to improve my own content. And so that's why it's always a win if you build things you're interested in. So here's my workflow. This is what I do. You know, I got into trends. I found a trend I really like. I have a prompt I built called the Idea Browser prompt, purpose built for Idea Browser.
5:32I'll go, I'll take this trend.
5:36Alex Finn:I'll copy it. I'll go into chat GPT, which for me at the moment, GPT-5 is the most powerful model there is. Sonnet 4.5, incredible for coding, the best for coding, but straight up for chatting, ideating. I'm still a GPT-5 guy. and so what I'll do is I will take my prompt and we can put this in the description down below but basically the prompt is this I'm giving you a link to a business idea from Idea Browser your job is to act as a professional app builder and creative strategist read the page and then generate three high quality unique app ideas inspired by that idea for each app idea include the name a concept summary core features, why it works, and why it would succeed in today's market.
6:22Alex Finn:Keep it practical and make it easy for a solo founder to build out. So I have that prompt. I'll take our trend we found. I'll put it in here. So here's the idea. Paste it in. And what this is going to do is have ChatGPT go into that website, see what that trend is all about, and then give us a few ideas for what we can build out in our next stage, which will be going into Codex and actually building out that idea. So we have a few different ideas here. We have Mood Mosaic, which is an expressive mood journaling and creative wellness app for people who want a more visual, playful way to track emotional health.
7:07Alex Finn:Rather than writing pages of text, users paint their mood via simple sketches, colors, stickers, and stamps. Maybe, a little out there. WellSync Buddy. WellSync Buddy is a wellness accountability and habit pairing app that helps pairs, small groups, synchronize and support each other's wellness routines. And it's for people who thrive on social accountability. That's actually a multiplayer social network wellness app. It's not a bad idea. And then we have BioRhythm Coach. BioRhythm Coach is a personalized micro-wellness app built around users' individual daily bio-rhythms. It nudges users to schedule task breaks and wellness micro-practices like stretching, breathing, and light exposure in alignment with their energy peaks and troughs.
7:55Alex Finn:That one's pretty cool. I don't think any of these are bullseye for what I want to build. But what we can do from here is we can take certain ideas and combine them into one. Right. Like some of these are a little abstract, like mood mosaic. I don't really want to build like a drawing app. Well sync, building a multiplayer social network's a little tough for one podcast. Biorhythm. I kind of like getting daily habits based on your goals. So let's do this. I think what we can do is we can say, uh, I like idea number three, but it's a little abstract. Build me a plan for a habit tracker that also builds us wellness routines.
8:49Alex Finn:So what I really liked in this one was the wellness, micro wellness app. I like that idea, being able to track every little wellness thing you do and getting recommendations around how to be more well. so let's we can go back and forth with chat gpt here and get more ideas around that yeah i like that idea like we have to-do lists for our professional lives but we don't really have to-do lists for our longevity lives we don't we don't and i think a lot of reason why is people just don't think of ways to be well so putting a little bit of ai spin there where recommends those things and you make a to-do list out of that i think that could be cool so let's see what we got here concept overview habit flow is a dynamic wellness habit tracker that doesn't just track what you do it designs and adapts your daily wellness routines automatically based on your energy levels goals and feedback the app blends traditional habit tracking with adaptive scheduling and ai coaching help users build sustainable personalized wellness systems this is something i'd use greg would you use this i totally would i'm actually in and i'm like in a health kick right now.
9:56I'm like actively trying to, to be more healthy and like I need it in my face a little bit more. Um, so yes, I would.
10:05Alex Finn:It even gives you the monetization. So free tier, how you can make money off of it. Upsell. We really, at this point have not done any sort of creative thinking. We've leaned on idea browser and it just kind of fed us ideas and the AI helped us come up with the winning idea. I mean, there's even a lazier way to do this for another video, but the lazier way to use Idea Browser, if you go back to it for a second, if you see the related idea next to the trend on the right-hand side, on the right bar, and click that idea. So in Idea Browser, there's almost 1 ,000, I think, ideas based on all these trends.
10:49So there are pre-cooked ideas based on, you know, and these are curated by human beings. So it's like we go through them and we're like, hey, this is good or bad. So you're right. You're right. You can use ChatGP. You can use Claude. You can use some of these tools to go and ideate. Or you can just use the database. And there's one more tool that you can also use that I should just make mention is if you go to, yeah, tools.
11:20research your ideas. So we won't have time to do this now, but let's say you picked an idea you really liked. Like we could have picked that one. It sounds like we have that idea that we like from ChatGPT. You can actually put it into Idea Browser. It takes time, takes up to 24 hours, but it actually generates a report on exactly, pretty much step-by-step how you should be building this business.
11:45Alex Finn:So it's like a deep research tool. It's deep research. It's deep research for ideas. That's sick. And it's cool seeing how other people use it, by the way. We see people use, some people want, it's just like more of a preference thing. Some people like pasta, some people like pizza. Some people like relying on the trends and just kind of going with it. And some people just say, I like human beings giving my ideas and that's why I'm just going to go to the database. Yeah, I mean, I think the key is this is not to overthink it. I think the main problem a lot of people have is they kind of wait for the perfect idea.
12:25Alex Finn:And then the perfect idea never comes and they end up accomplishing zilch, right? What the key and how I kind of got to my winning business idea was I just kept building things. I just kept choosing ideas. And you learn from each idea you build out. Oh, this is actually interesting. I like building this out. and you eventually get to where you want to go. And that was what was great about Idea Brows. You have a trillion ideas in front of you. Just choose one, start building it out. And if it's a losing idea, you still win because you figure out what the next idea you want to build out is and you get closer to where you want to be.
12:59Alex Finn:So just build something out. Totally. I mean, the idea for Twitter, for example, came from Odeo. Like the original concept, I don't know if you know this story. I don't. Yeah. So Jack Dorsey raised a few million dollars to build out Odeo, which is a micro podcasting app idea. And he built it and started just, you know, I guess it was too early to do that. And he was kind of like, let's just make a text and basically came out with the idea for Twitter through that process. Same is true with Instagram. You know the story of Instagram, how it started off as bourbon? No. Bourbon was a location. it was kind of like Foursquare actually remember check-ins yes like checking in yes you would check into places and you would post photos of the place you checked in on what they learned was people just cared about the photos and so they're like let's just build a photo sharing app so your best idea usually isn't your first idea but it kind of gets you there to your point And I think it's the same thing with OpenAI.
14:09Alex Finn:Isn't that the same exact story where it wasn't a chatbot at all? They just kind of demoed it as kind of like a proof of concept. Hey, what would happen if this was a chatbot? And it turned out everyone using OpenAI was just doing the chatbot. Like, okay, we'll turn this into a chatbot product. And they released GPT 3.5. And like, that's all they've been doing since it's building on top of that chatbot. So that's how you come up with your trillion dollar idea. you just build something and you'll along the way find what the right thing to do is. All right, let's go back. So let's do this. We've kind of ironed out our idea.
14:45Alex Finn:The last thing we need to do before we start building, which this will be the fun part, is we want to turn this into a PRD. So a product requirements document. AI agents are really, really good when they have a detailed plan when they have a product requirements doc to work off of. So we want to build this and then hand it off to our codex agent who will start building the app for us. And so what we're going to do here is we are going to say, okay, I really like this idea. Let's turn the MVP, very simple version of this app. And for those who don't know at home, minimally viable products, so I kind of like the first version of the app that is usable, that gives value to the user, very simple version of the app into a PRD, we can hand off to an AI coding agent.
15:46Alex Finn:And I'm going to hit enter on that. And now chat GPT five will build us the PRD for habit flow, actually pretty good name if you ask me um and we were going to take this prd and in a second i'll show you how we hand it to codex to start building some cool stuff out i gotta be honest i haven't like played around with codex all that much am i making a mistake you are making a mistake now do i think it's the end all be all you'll never have to use another ai coding tool again And no, I think it works really, really well in complement to like a cloud code, for instance. But there are some features and functionality, which I'll show you when we hop in, that you can't do anywhere else.
16:30Alex Finn:Primarily their concept of handoff and cloud agents, which basically gives you the ability to spin up tasks wherever you are, whenever you are, cross-platform, and constantly be productive no matter what you're doing. So let's do this. Let's take this PR date. Actually, let's do one more thing here. Can you make this a markdown file, please? This is the way AI agents read is in markdown file. So boom, perfect. it's going to spin this up into a markdown file and in the meantime what i'm going to do is i'm going to switch over to codex so for those who want to work with us at home alongside us which i think is a very smart idea what i have here is visual studio code completely free you can download it no monthly fees or anything uh and i installed the codex plugin for visual studio code which is going to give you this nice codex UI here over on the left-hand side that we can work in.
17:36Alex Finn:But the first thing we're going to do is we're going to create a new file. I create a new project in Visual Studio Code. I'm going to create a project.md, a markdown file. I'm going to copy over our new PRD here. It's going to have everything about the project. I'm going to hit save. and now what we can do is switch to Codex. For those new to Codex, this is a plugin for Visual Studio Code, so you can just install it, connects to your ChatGPT account. So as long as you're paying the$20 a month or whatever for kind of the base tier, you'll have access to Codex. Now, there's a couple things different here if you're more used to Claude Code or Cursor.
18:20Alex Finn:With Codex, you have two options. You can work locally or you can work in the cloud. So working locally is kind of probably what you're used to with Claude Code, probably what you're used to with Cursor where it just sees the code in your IDE and edits it, writes code, changes code, whatever. The difference here is you can run this in the cloud. And basically what that means is you can spin up AI agents that work in the cloud, on the internet, and does things for you asynchronously. He writes code for you asynchronously. And the advantage to this is you can now spin up these agents from your ID plugin here, like you see with Codex, from your ChatGPT app on your iPhone.
19:08Alex Finn:You can spin up agents from Codex on the web. So if you go to chatgpd.com slash Codex, you can spin up agents from your web browser. you can spin up agents to do tasks for you wherever you are, mobile, browser, IDE, and they all work together, hand off tasks to each other, which allows you to basically unlock productivity while you sleep, while you're on the go, while you're at the gym, wherever you are, you can have AI agents work for you building out code and doing whatever you want. That's a big deal. It's a really big deal. It's a whole new paradigm of building that we really haven't had before where it doesn't matter where you are, it doesn't matter what you're doing, you can have code being built.
19:55Alex Finn:My personal favorite way of using it is before I go to bed every night, I challenge myself, I need to spin up three tasks for AI agents. So before I go to bed, before I turn off my computer, I have to give Codex three tasks. So whether it's implementing features, whether it's doing other tasks, which I'll show you in a second, whether it's marketing, product, whatever, just having three tasks spun up before I go to bed so that when I wake up, my app has advanced. It's a really, really cool new way to be able to use AI agents. With that being said, I'll show you all the other cool stuff you can do with cloud agents in a second, but let's get the kind of base app set up here.
20:36Alex Finn:So I'm going to say work locally, and I'm going to say, I created a PRD in project.md. Please build out the MVP using Next.js and Supabase. So that's going to be our tech stack. Next.js for the front end, Supabase for the database. You can choose your model. You have many different options here. high, medium, or low. I've been using Codex High for everything, but I just watched the Codex product manager build out an app live at the OpenAI Dev Day, and he used low for everything. I was kind of shocked. So I'm going to use low for this, and I'm going to hit send. And it's going to start building out our MVP.
21:28You're like, if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me.
21:31Alex Finn:Yeah, I was just like, by default, I want the smartest model. And so I've been using high, which takes forever, takes a long time. But the head guy who did a live demo building out a complex app for the entire convention used just low for everything. I'm like, okay, I guess low is good enough. It takes longer and doesn't it take more tokens? Mm-hmm. Takes more tokens, takes longer. But my mindset's always been like, I just want the smartest employee possible doing everything for me. Right, you're putting in the most premium gasoline. Exactly. I want the most premium everything If I'm drinking water, I want to drink Mountain Valley water.
22:08Alex Finn:I can't drink out of a tap. Are you kidding me? Attaboy. There we go. You know, this is the GPT high of water, but apparently you can do the GPT low tap water and it still works well. So that's building that out. Now, while that's building that out, I'm going to show you the power codex. And for the record, OpenAI is not paying me, but also for the record, I will happily take can open AI check. I'm going to switch as this is working to the cloud. So run in the cloud. Actually, let's do a new chat here. I'm going to say run in the cloud. And I'm going to say, take a look at project.md. Make sure we're on the right.
22:57Alex Finn:Yep. We're on the right repo here. So you're going to connect this to your GitHub as well. We're on the wellness repo. and build us an entire marketing plan for this app. And so now what we're doing with Codex is we have the local agent building us out the app, the MVP, and now I'm going to spin up a cloud agent to build us a marketing plan on the cloud for the app. And I hit send on that. And that is the power of Codex and these cloud agents that you really didn't have before in cursor or cloud code that you can now take advantage of. I'm now spinning up AI employees in the cloud to do other tasks while the local agent is building out our app for us.
23:44It's kind of crazy because if I had downloaded VS Code, downloaded Codex, I wouldn't have known that just by looking at local versus cloud. Yeah.
23:56Alex Finn:I mean, it's kind of a new paradigm of building. Also, too, I think these companies can do a little bit better of a job of explaining to people how everything works. But yeah, it's a whole new way of thinking about AI coding. Instead of thinking about it like I'm pair programming with an intern, like you would with Cloud Code or Cursor, it's now I'm kind of the CEO of a company and I'm hiring employees to do things for me as I work, right? I have my software engineering intern building now. I, in my chat, have in the cloud, my marketing, head of marketing going and building this out and building out a marketing plan.
24:36Alex Finn:And you can just spin up agents as you go in the cloud to do a lot of things at once. and i can actually show you here uh as this is going uh oh you can actually see it right here so you can see the work it's doing in the cloud here's an entire marketing plan for habit flow uh objectives and kpis we can track target audience and who we're going to be targeting resilient achievers 25 to 40 year old professionals like us that's exactly exactly what we were thinking with this uh positioning messaging pillars competitive landscape it did look it did research on competitors for us, did everything we wanted as our other agent was working on us on actually building out the MVP.
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25:20Alex Finn:And it looks like that is still working here as well. So we had 1 ,200 lines of code built out for us while our marketing agent was working the cloud to build out that plan. While we were talking smack about OpenAI, 1 ,200 lines, they're just beautiful lines that they're creating for us. And what's really cool is if I actually, it's probably not going to be too visible on the camera, but if I go into Codex on my phone and I refresh here on my chat GPT app, I have that entire marketing plan on my phone as well. That's cool. Right? And so it's completely cross platform. Everything I do in the ID is in my mobile app.
26:03Alex Finn:Everything I do in my mobile app is on the browser and vice versa across the board. which is an ecosystem I don't think any other AI company can really pull off right now at the moment, which is really awesome. So we have it still building out our app. We're going to have the MVP done when it does that. But I think typically when people are building out apps like this, during this time when the agent's building, they'll go on X, they'll doom scroll, they'll do whatever. All of a sudden, two hours gone, they got nothing done. If you kind of shift your mindset now to having cloud employees, AI employees, which is unlocked with Codex, you can get a lot more done in these kind of in-between moments, right?
26:51Alex Finn:Like while this is working, I can maybe spin up a new chat, make sure we're working in the cloud, and we can say, you're a product manager. Come up with a roadmap for the app based on project.md. and I hit send. Now I have my product manager employee working for me all while I wait for the MVP to be built out, which looks like that is actually good to go and set here. Boom. Okay, perfect. Yep. So now we can run this and we can test it out. So let's see, we didn't set up the database just yet. So this might not work right away, but if this doesn't work right away, we can run through setting up the database as well.
27:38Alex Finn:But I'm going to, let's see here, I'm going to run this. NPM run dev, let's see. Oh, we've got to run NPM install, okay. NPM install. So this is going to install all the dependencies, all the tech, all that, so it's good to go, and we'll be able to run the app after this. All right, so we'll do a little bit of debugging here. We're getting errors trying to install the dependencies. I'm going to go in. I'm going to go to Codex. I'm getting errors when running npm install.
28:16Alex Finn:Here they are. Let's make sure we run this locally. Yep, we're running it locally. I'm going to hit send. And it'll go through and it'll figure out the errors and fix whatever needs to be fixed here. I'm happy that there's errors, to be honest, because it happens, right? It's a part of the process. It looks like it had the wrong version of Supabase in the dependency. So it was trying to install a version of Supabase that doesn't exist, which is an issue. So let's try that again. Still having errors with Supabase. Let's do this. Let's just say, for the sake of this, seems to still have issues with Supabase.
29:02Alex Finn:For this MVP, let's just save data locally. I'm going to hit send, so we can get a working version first, and then we'll implement Supabase right after, so we can get that working off the rip. So that's going to kind of remove that dependency that's giving us fits here, so we can see kind of the MVP version here that we can test.
29:29Alex Finn:but again, unlike other apps, what we can do with Codex is we can have many different strands of work going on at the same time. So we still have our roadmap going here. So we have the roadmap. Let's check in on that. So here's our roadmap vision, deliver a delightful adaptive habit tracker that keeps people consistent in wellness routines. So guiding initiatives, product alignment, Phase one, the core MVP experience, which we're working on. Improved habit here is via smart nudges. Let's see, phase three, expansion and monetization experiment. So it really builds us out step by step what we're going to be building out with our product manager agent here, which is really cool.
30:14Alex Finn:You can always make sure you're being productive. We can go back to our local agent who is fixing our dependencies here. what are you using at the moment to uh kind of vibe code are you using claude or what have you been playing with yeah i mean i've been in a claude code phase for maybe what has it been three months um but have been seeing it's kind of one of the reasons why i wanted to have you on like have been seeing some of the codex stuff and i'm starting to get tempted to go deeper into it. It's worth playing around with to see how it fits into your workflow. Because it works a little different.
31:02Alex Finn:I find in some ways Codex isn't as proactive. It seems like Claude always does a little bit extra of what you ask, which some people annoys them, some people they love. Codex is almost the opposite where you have to nudge it along sometimes to do things. So it's worth playing around with to see if it's compatible, right? Like the same way you'd interview employees to see if they work well in your company. It's like interviewing the AI agent. Yeah. You also get to know, you know, who they are and, and how they work and you can kind of, what might be good for you might not be good for someone else.
31:40Alex Finn:Exactly. Exactly. You know, there's people who live and die by cursor, right and they all work in different ways and have different features and functionality for me i'm having uh i'm i'm having a lot of productivity almost like 60 40 codecs to cloud code where you know i i have the workflow i'm showing you here and then if it gets stuck i'll have cloud code kind of be the surgical go in and fix that like micro issue that's been working well for me. So I'm going to try installing this again. We change this around. Boom. Okay. So we added the packages. Looks like it installed. Let me see if I can do NPM run dev and get this working.
32:23Alex Finn:Looks like it's working. Okay. Let's test this out. All right. I am going to switch over. Habit flow. Build sustainable routines with energy aware planning. Adaptive wellness routines without the rigidity. Habit flow calibrates your day every morning. Set up your focus, pick your starter habits, and let the app shape a plan that responds to how you feel. Track completions, watch streaks grow, and help the momentum with gentle data-driven nudges. Okay, let's see what, see if we got, oh wow. So we have an entire onboarding flow. And again, like first of all, this is awesome, right? Like we have like, obviously this isn't the full app, but this is a pretty cool MVP where we have like the intro, the onboarding experience, whole lot of other cool things in here.
33:09Alex Finn:In this, really, you get these types of awesome results when you do things like build out a PRD ahead of time, right? When you develop your idea and it takes a little bit of extra time to do, right? To go into idea browser, find a really good idea, develop it with AI, but you're going to save time in the long run because you're going to be a lot more focused and get better results from your agents because you have that in-depth PRD built out. So let's play around with this a little bit and see what we want to add, what we want to tinker with. And I can kind of show you how I use Codex to tinker with different things and add on new features and things like that.
33:47Alex Finn:So it's personalized habit flow. Alex, check-in preference morning check-in. For me, focus is the issue. You get so many different AI tools out there. I can never focus on one thing at a time. I'm sure you got that same issue. Starter habits, 10 minute mobility flow, two minute breath. So I could use that hydrate. I'm pretty good at that. Let's get rid of that. Let's do, I could, I could do more deep work sprints habits. I want to meditate more. Everyone talks about meditation. I want to meditate more. Let's do that. Let's add that to the list. Ooh. Okay. So it saves the habits we want to do and then we can save and continue.
34:24Alex Finn:Please add your name. I got to add my name in here. Alex. Saved. You can hop in today to generate your first adaptive plan. Okay. So let's go to today. Let's see how that works. Today's pacing. Tune your energy, then work through the tailored plan. How's your energy? I had a lot of coffee today, so we're going to do five. All right. We got an error. We'll do some debugging in a second. Plan mode. So it gives us, okay, it gives us some to-dos for wellness techniques we can do. And then routine logic, primary rank habits. Okay. So this is pretty cool. We give it our goals and it gives us a bunch of to-do items to stay well.
35:05Alex Finn:I like that a lot. Let's do a little debugging. Let's see what this error is. Set log is not defined. So a lot of people, they have really complex workflows when it comes to debugging and errors. They have MCPs that has codecs or cloud code, watch your log, and screenshot your browser, and this and that. They have all these. At the end of the day, they're probably usually trying to sell you something to get you to do these really complex workflows for no reason. Here's my really complex workflow for debugging. I highlight the error. I do command C and then I go into my IDE and I hit command V and then I hit enter.
35:50Alex Finn:I don't find any need to set up MCPs for this. I don't need to do any sort of advanced workflows. Please solve this error. And then I hit enter. This seems to work best for me. I don't need to have codecs connected to my browser or anything like that. I just copy and paste errors and it seems to fix it pretty well. And it looks like it's fixing the error. And at the same time, while it fixes the error, again, you probably want to get into kind of that codecs mindset of, okay, how can I be productive while my agents work? I'll spin up a new chat. I'll make sure I'm in the cloud. and I can say, set up an AI chat interface where I can chat with a wellness expert AI and get advice.
36:44Alex Finn:So I thought of another feature to build out while this works. I'm going to give it to our cloud agent. And what I'll show you towards the end of this is how we can start pulling down these changes and implementing it into our app as we go. And so the key here, especially when you're using a really awesome tool like Codex, is productivity, focus. And because we have these cloud agents, we can always make sure we have things cooking, things baking in the back end and have new features pumping out as we go. So let's see here. Let's go into, let's see, did we have this here? Let's go. The only downside is sometimes you get tripped up and you forget which agents are working on what.
37:28Alex Finn:Here we go. Looks like it fixed the error. Let's go back in, make sure we're not getting an error on the screen anymore. Is this kind of percolating ideas for you, Greg, around Codex and things you can do with it? Yeah, totally. First of all, I agree with the whole MCP, complicated workflow to the errors. so I've tried using some of those tools and it's oh man it's like it just feels like I'm over engineering things so I'm happy you said that so that's that was actually what I was thinking about um the second thing is I was literally I was thinking about this app and I you know one of the beauties about uh building an app instead of just like sketching it uh you know on a notepad is it got me thinking that this in a mobile setting would actually probably rip um you know not that we're going to build an ios app today but you know maybe if people want in the future we can follow up follow up uh ios focus on where we show you how to build an ios app i like that yeah no but i think that's that's how i i would think about it and then what i do is i would i would probably write out that idea and be like hey here's what here's what i've built out you you know, this is, here's, you know, here's my vision for an iOS app.
38:45And I would use Idea Browser's AI agent to basically scan, you know, scan social sentiment, give data around, you know, is this a good idea and how would it implement it? So that's something that always exists. That is a pro feature, but, you know, that is, that's something I, it's like you have to build it to get those ideas. You know what I mean? So this is the researcher ideas agent, right?
39:19Alex Finn:I mean, I think that's really good because, again, this is the mindset you need to be building when you start becoming an AI builder is, you know, how do I get maximum efficiency? How do I get maximum productivity? Well, this is another employee we can spin up, right? So while our codex agents are building out roadmaps, marketing plans, debugging, fixing our next feature. Let's get an agent going, an idea browser that's going to now take our PRD. We can go in here. Below is a PRD for my wellness app. Please research how this would do on mobile or how we can improve this idea. And I paste that in and I can hit send here.
40:09Alex Finn:And now, right, this is the kind of AI agent employee mindset. I have my three to four employees working for me in Codex. I now have my employee working for me in Idea Browser to research this idea and expand upon it. You know, maybe now I go back into ChatGPT and I spin up, you know, I give another task. Hey, can you build out the landing page for the app? Right. I can go in here. hey, please mock up for me a landing page and all the copy for it for this app. I hit send on that. And now, you know, this is how you build a one person billion dollar business is it's one person, but it's eight employees working for you at the exact same time.
40:55Alex Finn:Our chat GPT agent, our idea browser agent, developing our ideas for us. And then our codex agents, right? Writing PRDs, writing code, and building out our roadmap for our app. This is the mindset you need to have to build a successful one-person business. This is really cool. You can edit your research brief, generate the research report. This is really cool. It gets the challenges, the moats, the observations. This is cool. If you click generate report, it's generating now. If you scroll down, you'll see an example of a report. it basically is the idea browser format but for your idea which is really cool and if you if you scroll up and you see at the top right there's a build this idea this is a new feature that basically gives you optimized prompts for your idea and for the database of ideas you know for marketing, email sequences, ads, all that sort of stuff.
42:00And then you can just copy the prompts and put it in V0, cursor, cloud, whatever.
42:05Alex Finn:You know what would be really cool? What? Using the V0 API. And when they generate this report, it automatically builds just the V1, kind of the shell of the page to kind of give that visual inspiration. Like right in the report, boom, you have your V1 copy this code to V0. Totally. That'd be sick. That'd be really sick. It's an idea. This is sick. Ready to build, choose your, copy your prompt, paste into any of these builders. Oh, and this is the prompt. Yeah, that's the prompt. That's sick. And if you see on the left-hand side, like, marketing product, you can see what you can actually build.
42:48Alex Finn:Wow, that's amazing. Sales funnel, lead map, what would the email sequence look like that we build here? This is where I stink. I have 40 ,000 people on my email newsletter, but like, I just, I don't understand the email funnel thing. Like I'm like a dog chasing the car. I want to know what to do with it. You know, it's like, this would, this would be helpful. This is cool. Nice. All right, cool. And what happened? What happens when I click the tool? Oh, it just takes me to the, all right. Got it. Got it. Okay. Yeah, this is awesome. Yep. All right. So we can now see, we have our seven different employees working for us.
43:26Alex Finn:Let's switch back. And like, I love Claude Code. Don't get me wrong. I love Cursor, but like this isn't possible with any other tool at the moment. This is like a really big advantage. I'm going to switch back to Codex. Let's do this. Let's see what we got here. Okay. So it fixed the error. And then let's see what else we got. Set up the AI chat. How's our agent doing here? Okay. it's still working oh let's apply apply results skipped close okay did this put in our let's see if this actually put in the chat bot and see if that's ready to go so i'm going to switch back to our app let's see what we got here habit flow and refresh progress we probably have to ask it to build it into our menu here, the AI chat bot.
44:19Alex Finn:But we can do that. Let's go back in. We can do anything. Anything we want. Anything we want. Unlimited ideas. As long as you got AI agents working for you to come up with the ideas, you got unlimited ideas. And this is, what you can see here is we went from, so far, we're like 40 minutes in. We went from literally zero idea to a fully working product. in what would probably take people weeks to do, right? You know, studying ideas, validating ideas. Then you get an engineer to build out the kind of V1. They have to put it live. Then you develop other ideas and you have other people come up with roadmaps and marketing.
44:58Alex Finn:We got all that done in like half an hour, which is pretty incredible. Let's make sure we add the chat section to the top menu bar. Hit send on that and our cloud agent will go do that. And then we can do things like, just to show the power of what we got today with agents, I'm going to go into Codex on my browser. So say we're on the go. Maybe we're working from a coffee shop or something or we're on a library computer. People are still going to libraries. And we can log in to chatgbt.com slash Codex because we don't have the ID on our computer. we can just go into the browser, go into Codex.
45:41Alex Finn:We can make sure we are in our wellness app and we can say build out the email marketing sequence for this app. And now I'm spinning up agents from the browser while I was spinning up agents from the IDE and also doing it from my mobile phone. And this is the really cool way to think about AI development now. So kind of as you've seen so far, We have a bunch of different AI agents working for us. We have an MVP good to go that people can start testing out now. Now the number one question I get other than how do I come up with ideas is how do I get people to start using the app? Well, the best way to do this is the free way, which is just organic marketing.
46:25Alex Finn:So if I go into Twitter, which for me is like I think the quickest way to just get people onto the app, you know, you get engagement in literally seconds. I'm going to pull open Twitter or X if Elon's watching. Please don't shadow ban me. And I'm going to go post and I'm going to say, been super obsessed with wellness lately, but can't think of any habits to implement. Anyone else have this challenge? thinking of building an app around this right i'd send this out this is literally how i launched creator buddy my social media app i was like i wish i had an ai that knew all my tweets and so i went into a tweet i said wish i had an ai that knew all my tweets but anyone use like an ai assistant that's aware of all your tweets and can coach you i hit send it went like super viral I got like 200 ,000 impressions.
47:28Alex Finn:And like, that's how I kicked off my beta. So I would post this. I would then DM anyone who replies, yeah, I'm interested. And I'd say, hey, do you want to beta test this? And I would send them the link to the app we just built. And like, this is how you start getting users and build kind of like your base for your app is you use organic marketing with Twitter. You leverage your community. You reach out to them. You do the kind of unscalable, which is DMing a whole bunch of people saying, here's the app, do you want to test it out? And that's how you get your beta testers and that's how you start building the scale which will eventually be a popular app.
48:07Alex Finn:This is how you start getting those users is just start talking about your app on social media. Alex, what do you say to people who are like, well, easy for you to say, you've got thousands of followers. I've got 500 followers. Well, my question is this, how do you think I got thousands of followers? By tweeting, right? Like I wasn't born and then God handed me 300 ,000 followers. I've been on Twitter for like two years now. I started tweeting. People liked what I tweeted. People were interested in the projects I was building. Then I got to that level. So how do you think I got 300 ,000 followers doing exactly what I'm showing you here, which is coming up with interesting ideas and then tweeting them out?
48:49Alex Finn:So even if you have 100 followers, tweet out your ideas. you'll still get a couple hits. You'll still get a couple people to use your app. And this is how you'll get to that level where you have 300 ,000 followers. Yes, is it easier for me to launch apps because I have a huge audience? Yes. But also, how do you think I got a huge audience by doing this, what I'm showing you here? So you have to start from somewhere. You might as well do it instead of complaining.
49:16Alex Finn:So you put it out. You get a couple bites. You're fishing in the water. You send them the link to the beta. now you got people using it right and so we went from in the span of this has been recording for 52 minutes now right we went from ideas in idea browser we had no idea what we wanted to do we went an idea browser we looked at some market insights we looked at some trends we looked at like okay what am i interested in here website save energy solar vomiting dog treatment i'm gonna get a dog soon this will probably be something i'm interested in once i do that right You found an idea that's interesting to you.
49:53Alex Finn:You went to ChadGBT. You developed that idea. You went back and forth, bounced ideas off ChadGBT, came up with a well-developed PRD. We went from there. We went into our building agent. We went into Codex, which I'm loving right now. We spun up a bunch of AI employees to develop the idea for us to build the code, to start building out a marketing plan, a product plan, a roadmap. app. We have all those people working for us at once. And while our employees work for us and the app gets built out, I'm now going on to X and I'm finding my first beta testers. And that's how you as a one person business can have the same power, the same leverage as a massive company and start getting your first users and first paying customers.
50:42Alex Finn:So it's pretty powerful. You just got to learn where you can find that leverage, like with Idea Browser and Codex and ChatGPT. Alex, thank you for your sauce and your generosity for coming on. Highly recommend people go and follow him. I'll include links for his ex, his newsletter, and Creator Buddy all in the show notes so people can go check that out. Anything you want to leave folks with, Alex? Check out the YouTube as well. All I do is post tutorials, how to build cool things as I go. And this is what I would leave people with. 99 % of people woke up today, picked up their phone, doom scrolled for 15 hours, and then are gonna go to bed, right?
51:25Alex Finn:If you just spend even five minutes today experimenting, searching for ideas, developing ideas here and there, you do that over the span of a week, a month, two months, you're gonna be so far ahead of the competition. It's gonna be unbelievable. So just find a little bit of time every day to do one of the two things we went through on this video. And over time, as that compounds, you're going to have incredible products. You're going to have paying customers. You're going to have something. You're going to have a lot more than what you have now. So just find a few minutes to do what we did today.
51:59Alex Finn:I promise cool things will happen. And send this to a friend because it's more fun to build with friends. You'll be held more accountable. so I don't know about you Alex but if I'm doing something like this I want to do it with the homies and I want to build something together so I think it's a lot more fun with friends personally you hold each other accountable you don't want to be the one that shows up in the group chat and they're like what did you do today and you're like oh I just doom scrolled all day so a lot of benefits to that as well thanks a lot man I'll catch you later of course my man see you soon
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Join me as I chat with Alex Finn about going from no idea to building a functional app using AI tools. We use Idea Browser to find trending business opportunities, develop a wellness habit tracking app concept with ChatGPT, and build it using Codex's AI agents. The episode showcases how one person can leverage AI to find and build an idea into a product.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and overview
00:39 - Finding app ideas with Idea Browser
05:19 - Using ChatGPT to develop the app concept
17:36 - Overview of Codex and its capabilities
22:25 - Building the MVP while spinning up multiple AI agents
46:04 - Marketing strategy for launching the app
Key Points:
• Using Idea Browser to find validated business ideas by analyzing trends and market insights from social platforms
• Leveraging ChatGPT to develop a business concept into a detailed Product Requirements Document (PRD)
• Building an app with OpenAI's Codex using both local and cloud agents simultaneously
• Implementing a marketing strategy through organic social media outreach
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