In short
A “spicy” ranking of AI tools people discuss on X as overrated vs underrated, with emphasis on whether they’re useful for technical vs non-technical users and for different stages of building (automation, agentic coding, PR review, voice outreach, and integrations). They also debate whether “vibe coding” can realistically reach $50k/month and end with a basic GitHub branching explanation.
Guests
Two hosts are named in the transcript as Greg and “Manis” (the other speaker). No other guest names are clearly identified.
Key claims
- Affiliate-driven hype is “over.”
- n8n is underrated for automation power users but overrated for non-technical people who can’t adapt copied workflows.
- Claude Code is “extremely underrated” and positioned as true agentic coding: it plans tasks, writes tests, and can generate PRD/MD-based work.
- Devin and CodeRabbit are “assistant” agents for building/fixing real projects: Devin contextualizes a GitHub repo via DeepWiki and can create PRs; CodeRabbit reviews PRs and suggests fixes.
- MCP is underrated because it lets non-technical Claude clients access external tools with minimal setup.
- ManisAI is underrated for agent-like browsing/research, but users should be cautious about data access (example: Instagram connection).
- Vapi is underrated for voice agents/workflows (example: Twilio number + calling lists from Google Drive/Excel).
Notable examples
- n8n compared to “new drop shipping” / “new Shopify.”
- Claude Code example: agent creates to-do list, executes, writes tests, and has an SDK.
- Devin example: connects GitHub repo, reads architecture docs/diagrams, integrates Slack/Linear, and generates PRs.
- CodeRabbit example: cited tweet claiming 77 PRs reviewed, 42 comments, 66 issues, 61 suggestions.
- MCP example: non-devs using Claude Desktop with Gmail connectors.
- Voice example: Vapi workflows using Twilio + calling phone lists.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOOverview of Tools and Predictions
0:10 to 1:26
Get insights on the current perception of AI tools like Claude Code.
“Like if any, it somehow adds an affiliate.”
n8n: Overrated or Underrated?
1:26 to 3:08
Discussion on the value of n8n and its usability for different user types.
Introducing String.com and Its Potential
3:08 to 4:53
Exploring the potential of String.com for automating workflows.
“You literally messaged me and I'm like, and I thought it was a scam at first.”
Deep Dive into Cloud Code and Its Benefits
6:37 to 11:18
Exploring Cloud Code's functionality and its appeal to both technical and non-technical users.
“And there have been a lot of videos on how to prompt, creating an MD file, having a PRD and giving that as context.”
Introduction to Devin and CodeRabbit
11:18 to 14:00
An overview of Devin and CodeRabbit and their value for project building.
“So Devin and CodeRabbit are meant for you to build projects from scratch.”
Exploring Cloud Code and CodeRabbit Features
14:00 to 19:55
Learn about the functionalities of Cloud Code and CodeRabbit for software development.
“Number two, and this is also one of my favorite features, is you can like start a session and you can basically tell it to either fix a bug, add a feature, and you can run multiple of these.”
Evaluating Bolt and Lovable
19:56 to 21:48
Discussing the merits and challenges of using Bolt and Lovable in workflow.
“By the way, we should give a disclosure.”
The Rise of Infrastructure Companies
21:49 to 26:58
Insights into the new wave of infrastructure companies and their importance.
“And that's where like, you know, anyone who says, oh, we need to replace like AI replaces engineers.”
ManusAI: A Specialized Tool's Future
26:59 to 28:00
Examining the potential future of ManusAI amid competitive pressures from major tech players.
“So, yeah, I don't even, I'll be honest, I haven't used Figma Make.”
Discussing Madness and User Privacy
28:00 to 29:40
The hosts analyze the potential and privacy concerns surrounding Madness and similar tools.
“is with OpenAI's deep research and all that stuff, you think they'll go into that direction, or you think Madness is a specialized tool enough where there's still a place for them?”
Show all 18 chapters
The Rise of Voice Agents
29:40 to 31:15
An exploration of the capabilities and advantages of voice agent technology.
“I was surprised most people sign up with Google.”
Understanding MCP and Its Impact
31:15 to 34:10
Discussion about the significance of the Money Context Protocol (MCP) for developers and non-developers.
“And yeah, I think like, again, Matthew is a very smart developer, but this is the classic case.”
Debating the Value of Venture Capital
34:10 to 36:20
A conversation on the necessity and implications of raising venture capital in tech.
“And like I, as a developer, would feel more at ease having control over the code versus trusting N8N.”
The Possibility of High Income with AI Tools
36:20 to 41:30
Exploring the potential for earning significant income using modern AI tools and practices.
“But the context of your content and the ideas you give and the point you're trying to make here, you've always been like, I remember you were always the anti VC guy.”
The Current State of Development Opportunities
42:00 to 46:44
Explore the evolving landscape of tech jobs and the economic potential of new SaaS tools.
“of being successful, there's no better time than today.”
Mindset and Success in Business
46:44 to 50:55
Discuss the importance of mindset in achieving business success and financial goals.
“Real abundance is knowing the game is hard and knowing there are still tons of ways to win.”
Understanding GitHub for Development
50:55 to 56:01
Learn the basics of GitHub, branching, and how to manage code updates effectively.
“belief and confidence that like okay I might not have it all figured out yes it's hard but at some point if I go hard enough long enough strategic enough you know right place right time that I I could make it happen.”
Vibe Coding and Branch Management
56:01 to 57:24
Learn about vibe coding and the importance of branching in development.
“And I think as the tools continue to get better, we're going to start, like vibe coders will have access to these type of tools, like being able to branch.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00So today we're going to go over the AI tools that people are talking about on X. And we're going to talk about if it's overrated or underrated. Okay, this is going to be spicy. Yeah, we'll be a little spicy.
0:13Ras Mic:Like if any, it somehow adds an affiliate. I don't know if they have an affiliate, but if they do, it's over. It's over, dude. Please tell me they have one. They make, oh yes. They're going to make so much money. for as of recording this it's underrated but we're gonna look back on this video in six months and be like why were we talking about madness claude code underrated extremely underrated which is crazy because it's you know it's all over my feed right now everyone's talking about it i think yeah claude code if you're a non-technical person is more daunting but just just try you're not gonna a single prompt of 50k a month sass but i do believe that we live in a world that it's completely possible to use things like cursor to use some of these tools to develop something that you can make 50 000 a month for minimum if there was any time to start something that has the slightest chance of being successful there's no better time than today
1:26Ras Mic:okay so i share my screen and okay we'll do tools and you tell me let's start first tool n8n um overrated or underrated greg i think uh well what do you think i think underrated only because if you know what you're doing you can do well but if you have like you know there's not an ounce of like like if you don't use modern tools like you're not a heavy google drive user you're not on slack always or you're not like setting up automations email automation you haven't used zapier before then yeah this is basically useless and i think we've all been seeing it on twitter it's the new drop shipping like i actually have like if any yet somehow adds an affiliate i don't know if they have an affiliate but if they do it's over it's over dude like it's please tell me they have what they make oh yes they're going to make so much money so yeah this is definitely the new shopify because i see everyone talk about automation so i think in that sense it's overrated but i have a feeling you think otherwise well here's my take because you come at it from like a developer perspective so you you look at it and you're like yeah i can go out and make these these charts myself i'll just you know even if even if you don't want to do yourself you go to chat gpt you'll get the json you'll copy and copy and paste but for the vast majority of people they copy these workflows and they don't work for them or something's broken or they don't know how to do it so i think for the vast majority of people it's overrated makes sense but i do think for like somewhat technical or technical people it's underrated i get that i call it non-technical and technical organizations like so you might not be physically writing code but like you understand like uh technical concepts so i do agree but yeah if they somehow like start promoting this and do what shopify did this is a billion dollar company um i we have the tab here we're actually playing with it you said so basically spring string or spring string yeah sorry i have string.com at least um so they're built on top of pipe drive which is basically an n8n competitor yeah exactly so i feel like what string is doing i'm not involved in the company in any way but do you have to disclose that a lot nowadays i don't know people the comment section is always like oh you're because I just did a tutorial on string and people were like this is a paid thing and I was like no I literally messaged the founder like the night before and I was like I saw your product and I think it's really cool and I actually had tweeted about that the future of automation is prompt to automation just because I think that people don't want to sit and make workflows all day especially like non-technical people no that makes sense so and I can vouch that you probably message them because that's how I hopped on the channel.
4:22Ras Mic:You literally messaged me and I'm like, and I thought it was a scam at first. It was someone else. So I can vouch, but. I messaged him the night before. He was like, I'm leaving to Europe for vacation. But if you want to hop on tomorrow morning, let's do it. So founder mode. Yeah, founder mode. Okay. Anyways, point is, I think string.com, although parts of it are janky, like they need it. It is an alpha for a reason. Yeah, they do mention alpha to that point. And by the way, I respect him in the tutorial he did with me. He basically was like, parts of it are janky. I respect founders of AI companies that are saying stuff doesn't work all the time.
5:02Point is, I think that if you start using things like string.com and you start creating these automations, so much is going to unlock in your brain for how to save time, make money, that I think string.com is actually underrated. And I hope that the N8Ns of the world...
5:19Ras Mic:actually implement this yeah i think it'd be it'd be very powerful if they did and i don't see why they couldn't they they're they're so profitable real quick i need to tell you about something that's helping me sleep better at night as an entrepreneur i was running multiple companies with money scattered everywhere zero spending visibility and making growth decisions pretty blind. I knew there had to be a better way and my friend told me about Brax. So I switched and now I have mission control for every dollar. Spend management and visibility, virtual cards for my team and earning cash from the same day treasury product.
6:04I was leaving so much money on the table but not anymore. I have a financial operating system for our businesses to make decisions so I can spend smarter and move faster. And it's been a total game changer. I'm loving Brex so much. I reached out to them and asked them to sponsor the pod. If you're building something real, you need a complete financial operating system like Brex. It'll help you sleep better too. And you can't be mad at that.
6:36Ras Mic:Lindy.ai seems like to be something similar, but fair to say, is it more marketing s yeah it's it's i mean n8n is marketing in a lot of ways um but lindy what i like about lindy underrated is that it has the templates so it's got like i don't know 100 plus templates that will be like okay you want to create like an automated email uh you know email outreach agent we're gonna go and you press a button you can copy and paste that template and it works for you and then you know for me why i think it's underrated is i love seeing templates because it's like it gives me ideas around like okay maybe i wouldn't use it for this use case but i would use it for that use case that makes sense yeah that makes sense okay so i need to try out lindy uh for some marketing stuff because i'm terrible at that i just know how to make content uh clod code underrated extremely underrated which is crazy because it's you know it's all over my feed right now yeah i'm talking about it but man like i like if i had to pick one for the rest of my life let's say like ai just stagnates here for for the end of time and you told me cursor wins all these tools and i should probably add that to the list who would you uh stick with it's cloud code it is the first time and i and i showed an example here earlier while we were chatting.
8:04Ras Mic:And there have been a lot of videos on how to prompt, creating an MD file, having a PRD and giving that as context. And those skills are important. And I'm glad people are thinking like that methodically, like a product person. I actually want to even talk about GitHub later, just give a simple crash course for most people to understand how to use it. But CloudCode essentially showed us that they could build an agent that does all of that. So it'll have, it'll track its own tasks. It builds out a to-do list. It has its own plan. It executes on that. It writes tests. Most developers, I would say, or most indie hackers, I would say, hate writing tests.
8:46Ras Mic:I hate writing tests, but it's necessary. Sometimes. But you should still do it. It's safe, right? You feel good about the product you're building. CloudCode does it automatically, right? So in my opinion, if you're a developer and you haven't at least even tried CloudCode. What are you doing? Yeah, and even if you're not, please, just like there's tons of tutorials. I'm sure Riley has a video. Like Riley always has a Cloud or Cursor video. Like there's some video there I would spin up Cursor, Winstrap, whatever you like, and use CloudCode because it's truly, in my opinion, the truest form of agentic coding we've ever experienced.
9:24So for a lot of people who are non-technical, even going into Cursor is daunting. Your suggestion is non-technical people should spin up something like Cursor, get Cloud Code.
9:37Ras Mic:If it was easy, everybody would have done it, right? Like, honestly, like, I know it's difficult and I speak from a place where, like, these tools are easy to me. But I just, I think you would do yourself a disservice to not try. At least try. And if you get stuck, guess what you could use to figure out what to do next? AI, right? So yes, the tools are not built for non-technical people, but I would still use it. And one thing that's exciting too about Cloud Code is they also released an SDK. So a lot of like the AI platforms can now use Cloud Code's agent instead of building their own. and I was at the Cloud Code Conference and when I was talking with their team, they essentially were like, we're gonna advise a lot of these AI agent, especially coding agent builders, to just use our agent because in a respectful sense, they're basically like, we'll smoke you.
10:35Ras Mic:Our agent will always be better, right? And I think Cloud has kind of proven and won and owns the sphere of programming. So I wouldn't be surprised if all the Vibe coding tools and any coding tool like Dev and Code Rabbit it the level bolts the temples the bolts figma make hosting your air table all of them anything regarding code i i do see a near future where they probably just implement all this because why go against researchers who are now valued at like 100 million dollars a year so i think yeah cloud code if you're a non-technical person is more daunting but just just try okay so under yeah i agree with you by the way underrated for both technical people and non-technical people yeah somehow because once you get it it's and like there's this i have a little graph here i mean it wouldn't be a ross mike greg video if there's no graph and i would put like clod somewhere clod code somewhere here where it is difficult right it is difficult to use it's not the cleanest ux they want you to use a terminal and the terminal can be terrifying but there's nothing like it so i would put clod code right here by the way you know we should add to this list is the last one i can't believe we didn't think about it what did i miss mcp
11:55Ras Mic:oh no oh no you know you pissed my people off uh i know i pissed thousands of people off with my takes on mcp but we'll get to that uh towards the end of the episode um and then yeah so and then there's these new class yeah of tools i haven't used devin so devin and code rabbit okay So I would basically, I would say these two are like the closest thing to an actual assistant. So Devin and CodeRabbit are meant for you to build projects from scratch. Show me Devin and CodeRabbit. Yeah, I can. So I'll start with Devin because I've been actively using it. So Devin looks like this. And first you think, oh, this is like, you know, any of the Vibe coding tools.
12:42Ras Mic:But it's actually meant to be integrated with an existing code base. And here's the powerful thing. There are three powerful things about Devon. First, they have this thing called DeepWiki, which basically is like you can add whatever code base is in your GitHub. So you can imagine for someone building a serious project, you connect your repo. and then I don't know how the AI does it, but it contextualizes your entire project and breaks down exactly how it works. And I can't explain to you how valuable this is for anyone building something. You might not even be technical, but reading this document will actually help you understand how this system was architected, right?
13:27Ras Mic:Like for example, by the way for those looking at this this is like an app i i made for a few friends and essentially what it does is it helps you create apple passes for like your community and it breaks down here how passes are created and it'll tell you here for apple basket web services implementation device registration pass update see the web so it knows that i used an external service apple basket and it tells me if I click here, I can read more about it. And then there's diagrams explaining how the APIs work, what the flow is, like what end point each, like for example, device registration endpoint, it tells me it's this one right here, shows you even the back and forth, like for anyone in an organization, or even like maybe a small team, like three or four people building something serious, this alone is worth however much Devin is charging.
14:22Ras Mic:So this is number one. Number two, and this is also one of my favorite features, is you can like start a session and you can basically tell it to either fix a bug, add a feature, and you can run multiple of these. But here's the, I think, here's what's special about this, is they have integrations. If I go to settings and integrations, you can integrate Slack and linear. And like in your linear ticket, Like let's say you have a PM write out all the features. And this is where I think, yes, it's for software engineer teams, but even a non-technical person in a team can use this. Like imagine you have a detailed spec on linear on what this new feature needs to be.
15:04Ras Mic:You can literally add Devin, build this, and it will take all the linear information and it will start to build a feature. And then it will create a PR on GitHub. And I can show you one where I had an issue and I asked it to fix it. and I can literally, can I click here? It literally wrote the PR. And mind you, files changed. It's one simple change. It was just removing this line. But I spent hours trying to figure out why is this not working? We've all been there. So like, and like the PR is detailed, like there's reviews. I also use CodeRabbit as well. And then it shows my Vercel deployment and then I merged it in.
15:46Ras Mic:So it's a different class, But might I say, probably the most useful, like the Devins and the CodeRabbit and CodeRabbit is somewhat similar. Like it does reviews and stuff like this. I don't know if they fully have this type of feature. But I would say they're sort of in the same realm and they're actual assistants. And this for me, like if I was running, if I wanted to build something serious and I was working with two, three people, I think something like this can actually be used by a product person who maybe knows how to write like a product document. and they can ship features using Devon and I can review the code.
16:23Ras Mic:And that's what a lot of my work has been at like now. I review more code than I write, to be honest. Like I'll let Cloud Code do its thing. I'll let Devon review, like do something here. And I'm just trying to understand what it's done and if it makes sense. If it makes sense, I'll let it, I'll merge it. If not, I hold it back. So, and they have like a, I think you pay$20 one time and then it's pay as you go. So, you know, just try it out. $20, a little fun. I think it's underrated. It's not for everybody, but you won't know till you try. I think that's fair. And CodeRabbit? Yeah, so CodeRabbit is in the same realm.
16:59Ras Mic:Like these are like the assistant agents. I haven't given it a full spin, but where I've used CodeRabbit before is when you're doing these PRs pull requests, and I'll explain it when we get into like the mini GitHub crash course, it reviews your code. and there's actually maybe I can find the tweet code with so there's this youtuber called code with Antonio super G guy he is like the reason why most dev youtubers no longer do like four or five hour tutorial videos he's just the best at it and we've all decided that he just runs this space and what's interesting is he tweeted this he said in the last 90 days I released three courses which CodeRabbit reviewed 77 pull requests, left 42 comments, found 66 issues, and left 61 suggestions for me.
17:52Ras Mic:Can I even say that I developed solo anymore? Just install it already. Damn. So, and the thing is with CodeRabbit, what's cool is it'll identify an issue. And let's say, because someone I can already imagine, someone's like, but I'm not technical. It'll give you a prompt to give whatever agent you're using to fix it. Context, code snippet, and everything. Right. So like and when I tell you that Antonio is a G, like if I like I just need to show you the stuff he does, Greg, because I feel like I'd appreciate it. He built a lovable cone the other day, like and he does this himself, like full on two billion dollar business.
18:32Ras Mic:He built it himself like and he goes line by line. So like if you're someone who wants to learn how to code, like he literally takes you like this is what, 10 hours. and it's free and it's free yeah it's literally like it's free like he gives you everything and he and he and he talks pretty slow so you're not gonna miss anything he's not a fast talker like me like so if someone like this who's and all his videos are like 10 hours uh what's this one one hour 46 this is actually his shortest video 11 hours eight hours is this this is crazy yeah This is all free, bro. This is all free. I told you, as developer YouTubers, we have all decided that we will never do a video like this because you don't beat this, right?
19:22Ras Mic:So if he thinks it's changed his workflow, like 66 issues, especially in a production code base, this is serious, right? Like I know vibe coding is exciting and you could build your own project, but if you plan on having real users, which I hope you do, security is something serious you have to talk about. You know, your project actually working, users information being safe, payments being safe. And yeah, so I would say the code rabbits and the devins of the world are super underrated. All right, let's move on. By the way, we should give a disclosure. You do work at Tempo. I do work at Tempo.
19:59Ras Mic:So I'm biased. you know i get a paycheck every two weeks yeah um but with that being said what do you think actually i'm curious i put bolt lovable and tempo all in one line even though i think tempo is slightly different but maybe that's the bias talking i haven't used tempo to be honest yeah so i can't rate it but uh so i'm leaving that out of there okay um to me both bolt and lovable are are very similar yeah so um i mean if you haven't tried bolt and lovable it's underrated yeah if you have tried bolt bolt and lovable it's overrated if you don't know how to prompt properly and it's underrated if you know how to give prompt it and give it context yeah i agree i think like anyone who's used bolt and lovable seriously will start to appreciate like how difficult it is to build software because like there's a certain level you reach and it starts to get difficult right um so to me they're underrated in a sense where that initial joy everyone experiences when they prompt something and like result shows up yeah is like i've seen it and like a lot of people like it's it's it's it's amazing to see people experience that unlock but then it gets to a point where you want to take it really really far um i actually think the next big wave of business is our infrastructure companies like your super i mean super bases are yeah but like your super bases your convex is like these back end as a service companies that will basically handle all that nitty-gritty stuff and like can easily connect to some of these vibe coding tools i think those are the big, big business plays.
21:49Ras Mic:And that's where like, you know, anyone who says, oh, we need to replace like AI replaces engineers. Now you need engineers to build that. Yeah. Because that stuff is hard. And there are even certain things that even cloud code is amazing as it is can't do. But I would say for what it, it unlocks and what it's done. And I think how it's inspired folks. I think it's rated fair. I think the people who love it, love it for a reason. and if you haven't used it and you use it it feels like a new world and then in terms of like is Bolt better or is Lovable better I think it goes down to like you know is Excalibraw better or TLGO draw right that's how I feel about Cursor Windsurf I know I didn't put it here too I get it all the time which one's better Cursor Windsurf and it's like they both release updates at such a pace just pick your camp and stay with it I also think like there's nothing wrong with prompting both yeah i mean yeah like you could literally have both right so i agree with you um i don't think there's like a notable because it's always like i feel like it swings in pendulums like one week bolt is better the next week lovable is better the next week this is better that is better and i i think for the most part unless there's like specific features that one has that the other doesn't i think as a non-technical person um you're living you want to move on to number seven yeah so these are figma make hostinger air table i haven't tried and i probably will never try because these are companies that i think figma doing it makes sense okay explain people don't even know yeah so figma is like the designer toolkit right designers they're going ipo yeah they're ipo and is it a smart thing to buy an ipo because circle you know i read on google oh you're not supposed to buy an ipo that's when the investors dump it circle went like forex but this is financial advice so maybe we'll talk i'm actually a figma shareholder full disclosure
23:52you know but i keep it real i'll be honest with figma make i think it's overrated yeah i think
23:58Ras Mic:so too i think do you think it was more so for optics versus like they actually want to like maybe compete with the temples the bolts the lovables like because to me it's like i didn't think they had to do that i mean i remember when i sold my company to we work it was a it was a mobile app and we work needed plays like that because they wanted to be valued as a tech company right so before you go ipo um it's really really important to be like on trend makes sense and that adds to like the you know um the valuation and the excitement of whatever it is you're doing so my guess is that the you know i don't have any inside information about figma just to be clear like i'm a small shareholder via i invested in a company that company got bought by figma and i got some shares um so i know nothing like inside about it But that being said, like, I would imagine that they're like, oh, wow, the bolts and lovables are crushing it and tempos are crushing it.
25:09You know, how do we get a little of that pie so that so that the market gets excited about our IPO?
25:17Ras Mic:Makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah. So that that seems like Hostinger has one, too. Airtable has one, too. And I mean, if you want to have one, too, you can go on code Antonio's video and follow his thing. So I definitely think like, I don't know, do you think anyone can come in this space right now and be as big as the Bolts and the Lovables? Like, because like, it just seems like every week there's a new one. Well, yesterday, I think it was leaked that Lovable is raising at a$2 billion valuation. Kudos to Lovables. Totally. We talked about investing in Lovables, you remember? Yeah. And we didn't.
25:58Ras Mic:you know i told i told one of my bros about it and i was like yo i think they just raised two billion i was like at the time i think it was this much and he was just like looking at me like bro what are you doing it's just like man at the time it just you know yeah but kudos to them actually you know stellar execution 100 like just world class it's yeah you know irregardless like one thing i will say and i think we share the same testament um competitor or not no other person or not i i genuinely just love seeing people win i love like excellence winning that's what i like i like that about you yeah like there's no like i don't be for no we're just here to you know do great things so it's like i love like you know as much of a like you know competitor or you know whatever they are like excellence is excellence man and and they've executed and it's been inspiring And the pie is huge, right?
26:57Ras Mic:Everyone can win, man. Everyone can win. I'm a big believer we all can win. Nobody has to tear down nobody to win. That's right. Yeah. That's right. So, yeah, I don't even, I'll be honest, I haven't used Figma Make. I haven't used the Hostinger one or the Airtable one. Although Hostinger is a great VPS provider, you want to, I think they even have a template to host your N8N. So, like, cool for them, but I haven't used any of these and probably won't. Cool. so how about manis i know you you're big the biggest video on the channel is a manis video not the biggest but it was one of though yeah it's a top video you know because i think manis was one of the first like agent yeah like it felt like oh this is like a jarvis like it could do stuff for me you can leave it yeah and you were able to watch it browse in real time yeah yeah which was also really cool i still use manis a lot i think it's underrated i agree i think I've used it a few times for research stuff, and it was pretty good.
27:59Ras Mic:Now, my only concern, if I was part of the Madness team, is with OpenAI's deep research and all that stuff, you think they'll go into that direction, or you think Madness is a specialized tool enough where there's still a place for them? I think as of recording this, it's underrated, but we're going to look back on this video in six months and be like, why were we talking about Madness? I feel you. yeah because like it's like i mean sam said it in like the most you know gangster way i can ever think he's like just make sure you align your growth with us otherwise we'll steamroll you right so it seems like with operator and with like deep deep research even perplexities pivot to like a browser like you know i i wouldn't want to i wouldn't want to battle those guys no i will also say with manis is i was using it the other day and it was like connect your instagram
28:58i was like i don't think so you know the chinese government you know let me just get your information no yeah okay yeah so be careful on manis with you know giving your information yeah i i genuinely
29:12Ras Mic:I actually have not a theory, but a hypothesis that every site should just be signed up with Google. Yeah. Like done with the email password stuff. Because if you sign in with Google, there's no way you can really do anything heinous with my information because Google will take care of that. Yeah. They give you just enough. So yeah, having to give IG access is pretty wild. Also, we added on ideabrowser.com, the new thing I'm working on, we added sign up with Google. It was just email before. And then we added sign up with Google. I was surprised most people sign up with Google. Yeah. Like it's just because like even for myself, like maybe this is me being a developer, like the fact that I have to give you my password and remember it.
29:53Ras Mic:And, you know, like password could potentially leak. I think a couple billion passwords leaked not too long ago versus with Google. Click, click, boom, done. Right. So I'm very like most apps I build will probably only be sign in with Google. And I like that. Yeah. Okay. Vappy. this is more you i've like i've heard like it's a voice agent or something like that right yeah
30:20so it's voice agents that's what it is so it allows you to create voice agents yeah i think it's most people don't have never used it so it's underrated like the fact that you're able to like uh dang yeah 400 000 calls yeah the fact that you can create workflows that allow you to like create a twilio number and then start calling you know add an excel list of like or google drive list of all these phone numbers and then reach out to them and have convert you know have basically an intelligent you know voice agent speak to these
31:00Ras Mic:people i think is not just underrated i just pinned this i'm gonna play uh with their api later cool last but not least come on man come on man okay show them the theo let's pull out the theo tweet uh theo is not happy so theo is like you look up to theo right theo's my guy like i like i will say he was one of the inspos like one of the biggest inspos for like tech youtube um like for dev youtube like his like and and like i can i can honestly like give credit where credit is due like i grew a lot as an inch because of his videos um where did he he tweets a lot dang okay so let's see so while you're pointing that out i tweeted that i think that and here once you once you understand mcp you never see the internet the same way by the way the context there is i was talking about non-developers yeah when non-developers understand what MCP is, it's like a light bulb moment around, wow, I can use LLMs in this way.
32:09That's all I was trying to say.
32:11Ras Mic:Yeah. And yeah, I think like, again, Matthew is a very smart developer, but this is the classic case. And if you're watching this, if I'm wrong, let me know. But this is a classic case of a developer thinking from a developer's mind. Like I read this and I understood because I have a lot of, I would say 90 % of my friend group are non-developers. Yeah. I spend most of my day with non-developers versus developers aside from my workplace. So I get what you mean when this blows your mind. When a friend of mine on, I think it was Claude Desktop, set up, I think it was a Gmail connector or something, and he was able to ask something about his emails, blew his mind away.
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32:51Ras Mic:It felt like Jarvis to him. So yeah, but it's your next tweet that made me laugh. Wait, wait, go back, go back. because uh yes scroll down this guy relax dude it's just a json right like you're currently building an ai agent like bruh you see github yeah like it's devs thinking about devs and then i i responded it's not what it is but what it unlocks like that's how i think about it yeah given i understand this protocol better than 90 of the larpers on tour i could tell you for most of them because i'm like it's just and then look how long of its 3d writes yeah i'm not reading all that god bless you and i hope you're like uh yeah what you see like even like the fact that like there are still people who don't know what mcp means so unlocking mcp unlocks freedom okay so why do you think mcp is a huge unlock yeah because the thing is it's like you're for like a non-technical person the fact that my claude desktop app can now have access to external information with almost minimal configuration on my end is powerful.
34:02Ras Mic:It's like, to me, like the way I look at N8N, like I can build all those automations. And to be honest, for the most part, I will, because I enjoy writing the code. I think I can maintain it better. And like I, as a developer, would feel more at ease having control over the code versus trusting N8N. But for someone who's not technical, who might have some technical knowledge, what it unlocks is huge. And that's the same way I think about it too. And if you remember the video we did, I told you, like, from a dev perspective, it's kind of just an API at the end of the day. But for a non-technical person, being able to integrate these third-party services into, like, an MCP client of your choice, that's money.
34:45Ras Mic:That's a game changer. So, yeah, the devs take an L on this one. The M in MCP stands for money. The money context protocol. Yeah, I'm with that, bro. so i would i would definitely say this is underrated underrated yeah because like most people most people using chat gbt still don't have does chat gbt have mcp i'm more of a cloud guy yeah so like once that happens it's like imagine people i don't think they do i've never i've i i think they mentioned it that they were going to start building chat g i think they mentioned but i don't know if it's in there yet yeah but as mcp support oh they have i'm like oh but like specific okay yeah so and like outlook dude yeah like no thank you teams teams right yeah so yeah i think mcp's underrated i think devs being devs um and that was interesting And I think you definitely followed it up with some other banger tweets that picked up in steam.
35:52Ras Mic:To say the least. Like the 50K. I need to show people that the 50K. What was it? Is it not technical? There it is. Right here. Man. Two and a half million views. Okay. You want to read it? I don't think you understand. You vibe code assess. You can't read it.
36:20Ras Mic:yeah you just you just jump to 50k your net margins are at least 50 because you don't need a big team you're making 25k more 300k a year you could sell business for 10 15x all day long your business network your business worth is three to five you own 100 you keep growing or selling you double down the business all of a sudden six to ten your customers love the product why are you venture capital again i don't think you understand i i think people you know this was just such a great yeah jump that people for like you know this was your point why are you raising venture this is obviously best case scenario you're just on a hot streak right but i think people just i mean where am i wrong in this besides besides okay i go down if you scroll down they said you correct yourself here i correct you said i corrected myself five to ten x yeah uh ibid uh which by the way you're still making millions of dollars building a sass but tell me where am i wrong in this in this you know what it is because they because they because folks don't have the context uh of like the content you create so this i'll say this if this wasn't a greg eisenberg post, I would think this is someone selling me like some course.
37:38Ras Mic:So I get it. But the context of your content and the ideas you give and the point you're trying to make here, you've always been like, I remember you were always the anti VC guy. And people don't know this. You invest in companies all the time, actually. So it's like, but you're telling them you don't really need to raise money. And I believe this too, unless you're building something where there's no way you can be profitable because like you're, you know, you're using these new AI tools and the credits are like, Anthropic is expensive. Like I've seen the Temple Anthropic bill. It's, it's high, right?
38:11Ras Mic:So company like that, like the lovables, the bolts, they have to raise money because if there's some, what profitable right now, that's a miracle. I don't think they are. So for that type of business, it makes sense. But if you're building like, man, your content generator, you don't need like Sequoia Capital to invest money in you, right? So I get the point you're making here, but people just read this. And can I tell you, you were on every engine. You were co-tweeted by all my favorite developers, like Primogen, even the small accounts. I was like, my Greggs, that Twitter check is going to be an amazing steak dinner.
38:49Ras Mic:Totally. But I get your point. I get you're talking about raising capital here. And now, question, have you heard of a vibe code? like i've heard some people like for example this guy i think his name is alex he used my template like my sas template and he's not really a developer he's not i've had him on the pod yeah so 300 bandos dude he and he was i think he responded he was like yeah absolutely this is yeah we we know we got a burger together in sf and i'm like i'm like brother you use my template and you make more than me for my job. Like you're cooking, right? So it's like, technically, I mean, he got some ways to go, but Alex is, he's on the way there.
39:35Ras Mic:Now, again, this doesn't mean everyone's going to do it. Just like every, like I know so many talented engineers, so many talented engineers. They probably won't reach that number, right? So that part is on you. So I get what you're saying. But I also understand that when you wrote this, you kind of knew this was going to, yeah, I know. yeah i know i know i know i thought it might ruffle some feathers i know i know yeah because a lot of people like oh how could you write this this is that i'm like i know he smirked when he hit posts yeah yeah i mean i truly believe in this post honestly like i truly believe that okay it's gonna be hard you know you're not just gonna like saying yes and don't quit your job don't quit your job you know you're not gonna single prompt a 50k a month sass but i do believe that we live in a world that it's completely possible to use things like cursor to use some of these tools to develop something that you can make 50 000 a month for i believe minimum like or 10 000 okay or 20 000 but like 50 000 isn't even that i think 50 people the 50 50 people i think if you did 10 it would have been calm i don't think the tweet would have gone this viral but to be honest like if i'm being honest with you i i i think that you know especially in a world where now you can like partner with creators and do tiktok ads you know look at like what the cal ai guys are doing and they're printing printing like fifty thousand dollars a month is less money than a convenience store i will say this even i you saying that there's a part of me that's a bit uncomfortable even imagining that but that just shows like man like you just gotta gotta switch your thinking well it's a limiting belief yeah yeah it's a limiting belief it's possible it's it's possible i'm not saying it's probable but it's possible yeah and it's never been more easier than compared to like five ten years ago yeah agreed so that's my point of this post is that and that it could be life-changing and that was my point and i and I believe this.
41:46You know what? Let me give it a retweet too.
41:49Ras Mic:Because I was crying, bro. I was laughing at all the responses. But no, I think if there was any time to start something that has the slightest chance of being successful, there's no better time than today. And that's a fact. There's no better time. You can't say it was better five years ago, ten years ago, especially in our I would say world, tech, SaaS, whatever. Like, in fact, I'll be honest, as a developer, it like, you know, back in the day was better. The jobs like you would be hired for less skill. You can overcharge people to build the simplest apps. Right. Like I've heard stories of people pay like 50, 60K for like a simple crud app that you can like vibe code now.
42:32Ras Mic:Right. So there isn't a better time than now. And I fully agree. Stop hating on my boy Greg. I mean, you can keep it real with me, you know, like people. No, I'll tell you this. Like I said, it's that 50K number. Even it made me feel uncomfortable. But because I know you and I know your content and I know the mindset you have, this wasn't you gloating or whatever. But for an engineer, like if I didn't see your name, I would think this is someone trying to promo a course or something. If I didn't see your name and I didn't read the last two lines, right? So if it was, I don't think you understand.
43:07Ras Mic:Your customers love your product. if it ended there i would have been like yeah one of those probably has a course link in bio but why are you raising venture capital again meaning like there's no point in you doing this and it being you and your content is when i saw this and i was like i get what he's trying to say but like you also have to learn in the in the dev space we're very much tired of like the fake guru well isn't everyone like no but like i think we have like an exceptional like like we despise it especially because we see people fall for it and that fake guru make like millions and millions of dollars so there's like this deep like i know we all are but with devs it's deeper so it's too bad because i the point of the post was really to inspire people and man like i told you it made me feel like i texted you this it made me feel uncomfortable like 50k a month like jack fritz did you see jack fritz yeah he's like easy money right what did he say go to his his ex he's actually uh i've talked with him before jack he's like making what 20 uh something like that i think it's in replies right no no he quote retweeted it it's he has a lot a lot of tweets so you gotta really go down read a little bit it's actually not out of the question for someone vibe code assess get 50k there are plenty of people who know 50k a month is a is not a ridiculously high number it's entirely economically feasible that 100 more vibe coders could make could be making 50k a month and wouldn't impact your chance of success either and he's young too right yeah mostly the limits you set on yourself are the limits you tend to get stuck on so remember the next time you think 50k a month is not doable for you or some other vibe coder for it sure for for sure it is it's not easy but definitely doable keep going i'm 19k a month i told my mom will go my goal was 30k a month and i knew she thought that was insane a bit it was beyond her reality and just and just in reach of mine at the time making 1k a month from my mobile app but now i'm where i never thought i'd be and i could tell i held it back in these false limits just because i thought it was some impossible mountain no plenty no plenty and i mean a lot of people make 50k a month why not maybe it won't be why not you why not a lot of people making a lot of people make 50k a month why not you that's true you vibe code of size okay craig yeah shayan is uh shayan is one of those devs he's funny but like what did he say he's like you vibe code of size you get 50k a month okay 519 000 views i told you but you were on my feed and it wasn't even your tweet that i saw it was everyone's quote tweet of you i'm like what's going on but i think everyone just skipped this part this was your conclusion your conclusion is you don't need venture no more my conclusion honestly is that and also you can you can you can do this at least try oh so there's an agreement here he says can you build a profitable sass absolutely it's is it as simple as great makes it sound come on that's linkedin successful the average sass takes two i disagree with that the average sass takes okay you know what maybe I agree with the average SaaS.
46:16Okay, great. Are we trying to create average products here?
46:20Ras Mic:Yeah, this is an oversimplification of the process and misleads. I think, again, I think your post was taken as this is now the new reality versus you're saying this is difficult. It's not easy, but this can be attainable. At least people didn't get that from the post, but I understand what you're trying to say, right? Like if 50K a month was easy, we'd all be making 50K a month, but it's not, but it doesn't mean it's not possible. That's right. Also, the paradigm has shifted like yes the average sass took all you know what did he say two to three years to make no things have definitely got faster things have gotten faster yeah um and i think a lot of people like even the yc companies pivot so much nowadays in the like you're not sticking to something two to three years like you ideally want some sort of product market fit much quicker but again i've never grown a successful sass he says pretending the hard parts don't exist isn't abundance mindset It's lying to yourself.
47:13Real abundance is knowing the game is hard and knowing there are still tons of ways to win. I disagree. I disagree. So talk about that. Yeah. I fully disagree.
47:23Ras Mic:It's lying to yourself. Real abundance is knowing the game is hard and knowing there are still tons of ways to win. So like what would you, okay, so where do you disagree here? Because I'm not sure. Pretend you're the hard person. I feel like that statement is leading from a place of fear and not leading from a place of courage and abundance. so if you want something you have to picture like yourself at the finish line right like if you're running a race you picture yourself number one like think of a horse track like the horses right the horse that has the blinders on and is just like picturing itself getting to you know finishing that line is more likely to be number one even if it isn't the biggest horse and have the strongest legs and stuff like that we underestimate going back to overestimate under or overrated underrated i think what's underrated is how powerful our minds are when when we could actually say um when we actually could like think about the mat you know getting to the finish line and winning like when i start a project i'm not like i'm trying to get to 5k a month mr or i'm trying to get five or ten customers like i'm i'm picturing like you know the cnbc video and i'm picturing this or i'm picturing whatever is success for that project and if you do that i just find that you're more likely to win you know what it is i have this i have this uh theory that in order for a company to succeed there needs to be two types of people one with the rhythm and one with the autism right so ctos are often like you know the more i would say tism short for autism uh more like technical more predictable more we have to do this this is achievable we can build this and the ceo has to sort of be a dreamer that pushes everyone to feel uncomfortable and to me this looks like a classic cto verse ceo where like i think a lot of engineers and even myself like I feel like I'm like in two worlds where I get him and I get you and I heard the saying one time it was like pessimists are often right but optimists make money and it's like I've decided that I want to be an optimist and I want to make money so this to me looks like this is a CTO talking and what you're saying sounds like a CEO talking I feel like if the inverse happened where he was CEO and you were CTO, I don't think it'd work out.
49:55Ras Mic:But there's a reason why I think this dynamic between two people is the best in terms of building like a really big company. Like someone needs to dream and someone needs to remind us that the reality is crap and we need to fix things. But I think both without a good balance might not be the best. But again, this is all thought, this is all theory um i haven't built a successful business yet so i don't know i i think what's interesting is the non-technical people like myself are starting to build prod products now so now we're going to see yeah who's really about it i agree with you yeah i agree with you and as the models are getting better we're like you know i agree with you um but yeah i i definitely do think it's like it like a lot of work starts in the mind and you know I definitely prescribe to the fact that you know if you want to build excellent things it starts with some sort of belief and confidence that like okay I might not have it all figured out yes it's hard but at some point if I go hard enough long enough strategic enough you know right place right time that I I could make it happen.
51:05Ras Mic:So, you know, I accept the inspiration. 50K a month. Here we go. Here we go. Can we end with a three to four minute GitHub? The simplest. This is going to be the simplest tutorial of life. Like this is going to be so simple. Think of GitHub as this one giant line. This is your project. And think of, I'll maybe like draw like little lines here. Think of these as like major milestone product updates, things you've shipped, right? Let's say for the first one that this was an admin dashboard, right? We shipped an admin dashboard, Greg, and our customers are extremely happy. But then we got some new feedback that they want like a live tracker in the admin dashboard.
51:59Ras Mic:We currently have a working project. We currently have working code. What most people have been doing with their Vibe projects, like you build and you kick publish and then it publishes right away. What most people have been doing is they're adding a new feature on top of working code. Now, here's the problem. Most people set up is as follows. They have their Vibe coding tool, Vibe coding, or IDE for the devs, right? So this is where you write or you prompt your code. And then you push this code to GitHub. And then think of GitHub again as this giant line of features you're continuing to stack.
52:39Ras Mic:And then the way most people have it set up is this code is probably getting pushed to Vercel. Vercel or Netlify. These are the big boys. Now, here's the problem. The problem here, And the reason why GitHub is so important is, let's say people want the live tracker, but our app is working fine how it is right now. If I prompt my IDE or my Vibe code tool, or even myself as a developer, I build this live tracker feature. And let's say it didn't test well, or even let's say we test it, but there was some bug that we missed. And I push this to production. This pushes to Vercel, updates the site, updates the app.
53:21Ras Mic:Now I've pushed a bug into my live code. Site can go down. User can mess. Like there's a lot of things that can go wrong. GitHub works as such. So let's say I've built, I'll remove this right here. So let's say we've shipped the admin dashboard. Perfect. Now we want to add the live tracker. GitHub has this terminology or this thing called branching for we can copy the code from its last working point and create a new branch. and I can give a name to this branch. And usually the naming convention for like a production branch is main. It used to be master, but apparently master is offensive now.
54:00Ras Mic:It's main. Did I just delete main? It's main. And for like the new branch, I can name it whatever I want. So in this case, let's say we're a large team. I'll name it Mickey slash live tracker. And the reason why I'll name it this way is you know that it's me who's working on this. And by the name, you can kind of tell what feature I'm working on. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to be building out the live tracker feature in this branch. This code is now separate from this code. This branch is connected to Vercel. So as long as I don't push, as long as I don't touch this branch, the live deployment is fine.
54:39Ras Mic:And the reason why GitHub is so sick is I can continue to work on this branch, thoroughly test it. And then when it's all said and done and it's good, I'll merge this let me get my pencil I'll merge this back into the branch so now I've had a clean run where this app is working fine I spent enough time testing to make sure all is well and once I'm confident that all is well I merged it and I showed an example earlier when we were talking about when we were talking about Devin this is a classic example where the change that was made was this right here. This line was removed. You can see the branch name here.
55:21Ras Mic:The branch name is devin slash some number fixed past template expiration, right? So kind of the same naming convention. You can name it however you want, but I find that helpful. And then the way in technical organizations it works is a manager or someone else reviews it. In this case, it could be you or CodeRabbit. And then you see this option right here that's hidden right now where you click merge. And then once you've merged it, it's essentially into your main code base. So although most people will not be into GitHub heavily, I think understanding that this is how it works. And I think as the tools continue to get better, we're going to start, like vibe coders will have access to these type of tools, like being able to branch.
56:10Ras Mic:And this is essentially how it works. I have a main branch. This is connected to my Vercel or Netlify. If I push code to here, it redeploys my site. And in order to build a very sustainable piece of product that works, that's functional, every single feature I want to build or change I want to make, I have to turn into a new branch, right? I vibe coded, I tested, it works. I'm happy, i'm happy i'm happy then i'm merging and there are times where you start and it never gets merged but guess what you don't care because it does not affect the main branch which is connected to your versilla netlify and that's a github crash course i appreciate that yeah i appreciate that i think well one thing i you know we often forget is github is owned by microsoft yeah so yeah you gotta think that open ai with codecs and the integrations that they're going to be doing with GitHub.
57:04Ras Mic:And I think like all the vibe coding tools, I mean, like this is even stuff we're working on on tempo is like, if we really want people to build serious applications, these workflows are coming, right? For sure. And I can imagine it almost being like, every time you work on a new feature, like the tool automatically creates a new branch for you, right? Makes sense. Because directly pushing live into production is you're crazy. Yeah, especially if you're making money especially if you're making 50k money 50x yeah dude thank you so much for the chat people need a I'll link it in the description but follow you subscribe and you'll be a smarter person for it I appreciate that thank you so much it's always a pleasure and yeah hope to do these more absolutely until next time my man take care
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Join me as I chat with Ras Mic to discuss the current landscape of AI development tools, evaluating each as overrated or underrated based on their potential impact for both technical and non-technical users. We particularly highlight Claude Code as "extremely underrated" and discuss how tools like Devin and CodeRabbit are changing development workflows. The conversation also addresses my controversial viral tweet about building profitable SaaS businesses with AI tools.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:32 - n8n
06:35 - LindyAI
07:31 - Claude Code
12:09 - Devin/Code Rabbit
19:56 - Bolt/Lovable/Tempo
23:12 - Figma Make/Hostinger/Airtable
27:25 - ManusAI
30:10 - VAPI
31:08 - MCP
35:46 - Vibe Coding Profitable SaaS
51:11 - GitHub
Key Points:
• Ras Mic and I evaluate various AI tools as "overrated" or "underrated," including n8n, String, Claude Code, Devon, and CodeRabbit
• They discuss the potential of MCP (Multi-Context Protocol) and its impact on non-technical users
• They analyze Greg's viral tweet about building a $50K/month SaaS business using AI tools
• Ras Mic provides a simple GitHub crash course explaining branching and workflow best practices
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