Liverpool lose again, Como score NINE + a big Premier League weekend

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1:42Totally Football Show. Today, Champions League. Arsenal and Man City win, but for Liverpool, things don't work out with Dirk Kau and the Premier League yesteryear 11. Meanwhile, the big story is the triumph of physics in northern France as Combo, already the competition's big surprises, look even bigger with a lens. 9-1, call it a lens wipe out. There's Jude's latest heel performance in another Real Madrid comeback, Napoli in Porto in a storm, and a look ahead to this weekend in the Premier League too in this Totally Football Show.

2:16Thursday the 5th of November. and who we got for you today on the Totally Football Show Y? Natalie Gedra of Sky Sports.

2:25Dan Kilpatrick: Oi, Jimbo. Oi, tudo bom? Tudo bem? Bonjour. Bonjour. Bonjour. Bonjour. Bonjour. Hello, everyone. Hello to you, Jules. Lovely top. Thank you. And also the formerly angry Dan Kilpatrick of Tottenham fandom and more importantly, The Athletic. Hello. Hello, Dan. What do you find you to get angry about these days? Well, there's nothing to get angry about. Nothing. Spurs are back, Jimbo. Yay! Yeah, I'm in a good place. Three straight wins? Yeah. Who have you got this weekend? Leeds. Who are very much in a place to be angry about. Yeah, well, I think they're just struggling a bit under the radar. Okay.

3:03All right. Good vibes for Spurs. Did you have a good midweek all? Wednesday night's Champions League action. Some extraordinary scenes. Some extraordinary goals as well. Lots of goals. 44. 44 goals. So Tuesday had been quieter, but all of a sudden Wednesday, boom, exploded like a big... But not a new... We had a record last week. The 46th, I think it was, match the 3rd. Can't have records every week, Dan. Still pretty special for, you know, nine games at the end of the day. It was a big piñata of goals. And Comer were holding the biggest stick underneath it. We'll talk about their incredible performance shortly.

3:37Natalie, what were you watching Wednesday night?

3:40Dan Kilpatrick: I had an eye on Liverpool when I watched Arsenal. Did you know? Yes, yes, they did. Oh, all right. Teams will touch on in the course of today's show. Quick roundup of the scores. As mentioned, 44 goals on Wednesday across the nine games. Not sure what the average is, but big. Once again, there was a minute silence, of course, in memory of Paul Jesus de Miguel, who lost his life on Tuesday after that terrible incident in the Tenerife game with Andorra on Monday. our thoughts once again go out to everyone affected by that, his family and friends the games, Man City won 3-2 at RB Leipzig but it wasn't easy Arsenal were 2-1 winners at Slavia Prague Liverpool got beamed by Fenerbahce, yes the same Fenerbahce who a couple of weeks ago got done 6-0 by Aston Villa and who had also themselves failed to beat Slavia Prague in this competition elsewhere, Como came up with the biggest away victory ever in the Champions League.

4:459-1 winners at Lens, which, you know, puts Man United's 4-1 defeat at Como in perspective, maybe. Real Madrid did their usual comeback, this time from 2-1 down at AEK, to Brea Eke, their hearts, with a 3-2 win. Jude Bellingham with a magnificent goal in that, and also Fede Valdez was pretty special. Porto smashed Napoli 4-1 to pick up their first points. Dortmund saw of Real Betis 2-1. Bruges are up to ninth now. They won 2-1 at PSV. And you had Viking, or Viking, sorry, picking up their first ever Champions League win with a 4-1 victory over Sabah. There you go, Napoli. That's everything that happened on Wednesday.

5:30Last week and move on. Or would you like to talk about Liverpool? What happened to them? Let's start with Liverpool there back in Istanbul. So many happy memories for them by the banks, the boss for us. This one, not so much. A 3-2 defeat to the previously struggling Fenerbahce. What happened? Because they've been looking so good for most of this game.

5:51Dan Kilpatrick: Yeah, defensively, things didn't work for Liverpool, which was, you know, quite surprising because, as you said, not so long ago, they got a clean sheet against Brighton, which is, you know, something very relevant. And against Fenerbahce, all three goals from Fenerbahce were preventable, all of them. And the third one, especially, Muriki's goal, it's just it's not a good look because he has three defenders around him and still he scores. Bacola started as a nine, didn't really work. So Isaac came in and scored his first Champions League goal for Liverpool. but in the end the main talking point was Liverpool's defensive struggles in that match.

6:35Okay, we also had Trenioni scoring the opening goal. Yes. And Liverpool were 2-1 up with what 20 minutes to go I think before it all went wrong. The Barcalá as a centre-forward experiment is that something that's been done in France previously? A little bit with Luiz Enrique at PSG and in a very fluid front three in Paris too. I was quite surprised that Ibroula tried that Almost like if this game was a pre-season game where you think, yeah, why not? Experiment and have BV29, as we like to call him on this show, in the number nine position. After half an hour, I looked at the stats. He touched the ball three or five times, I think.

7:14Had done two passes. It was just that they were playing with 10 men. And I thought, OK, I have time. He's going to change something. He didn't. And he only took until Wirtz and Isak and Gakpo came on that the team got better, got the lead again. and then after that they just wasted it and ruined everything by the support. Two poor goals to concede really the 2-2 and the 3-2 are scandalous. It's interesting you say almost like a pre-season game because I think talking about all the goals these games do have a vibe of like luxury friendlies I think sometimes because of the lack of jeopardy in the group stage.

7:51Particularly if like Liverpool you won the first three. Yeah and you know you can go into a big champions league game if I actually think actually we'll try something a bit different here. Yeah, but you've lost on the weekend too and I think there was probably a way to respond to the Arsenal defeat by being much better and certainly not losing again last night and I think it took some risk. I hear you. Maybe, could the atmosphere there in Istanbul have played a part in the, Simakas at the end saying that the players couldn't hear one another. Yeah. Ione said as well that he never played in conditions like that.

8:20Dan Kilpatrick: Yeah, no, definitely and the pitch didn't look great as well. It rained a lot so the pitch was very heavy. All of this. And there is an element of bad luck as well with Fenerbahce's first goal, for example. There was a massive deflection. It was a set piece and there was a massive deflection. So there is that, but you can't ignore the defensive fragilities that they showed. I was just looking at my phone because I wanted to get the Fenerbahce lineup because it's extraordinary. Edison. You've got Edison, you've got Semedo. Lukaku. Lukaku, Archie Brown, Kante, Ndolo Kante, Nduzi. Yeah, Benetan Ake was missing because he was injured as well.

9:03You can add to the mix. Right, yeah. Mason Greenwood, obviously. Greenwood. And yeah, yeah, amazing stuff. What was that, eight out of the 11 were former Premier League? Yeah, played in the Premier League before, yeah. Atasarai on Tuesday night were very similar to. Were they? Yeah, with a lot of ex-Premier League players. All right.

9:21Dan Kilpatrick: From a Brazilian perspective, it was nice to see Alisson and Ederson. That's nice. Yeah, yeah, on the pitch. But, you know, five goals in total. Not so nice, yes. And from what I've been reading, Ederson, who moved to Turkey last season, and he was very excited about it, you know, because I remember speaking to him, I don't know, three months in to the start of last season, and he was talking about how motivated he felt after leaving Man City. was a big decision for him. But last summer he tried to get a move somewhere. Oh, did he? It didn't work. Yeah, his contract runs up until 2028. Not sure if he's going to stay there this long, but yeah.

10:07Okay. Just out of interest, we asked Paul Belus the other day who people in Spain thought was the better keeper between Unai Simon and David Rea. Thank you so much. Unai Simon and David Rea. in Brazil, or for you, Natalie, Edison or Alisson?

10:24Dan Kilpatrick: For me, Alisson, but there is, and I had so many arguments with Brazilians about that because they're very resistant to Alisson. Why? Because apparently before this World Cup, he played for Brazil for three World Cups and he's part of a generation that obviously never won the World Cup and frustrated Brazilian fans many times, especially 2022 and 26. He never made a big save, what they would call a big save, an important save at a World Cup. So a lot of Brazilians see Alisson in the national team and make a point that he never really made a difference that justified him being number one for three World Cups in a row.

11:05Dan Kilpatrick: I don't agree with that. He's an excellent goalkeeper and he was number one because he was the best goalkeeper we had for those three periods. There was no one better than Alisson. and but yeah I would stay with Alisson I don't see Brazilians in love with either Alisson or Ederson as they should be. Okay. Yeah especially like Ederson left Brazil very early Alisson not so much he played for international for a while so yeah they tend to go for keepers who made their careers in Brazil. I see. By the way just if you're curious Paul Bullas very much was on the David Ray who is? Well De la Fuente. De la Fuente, yeah.

11:50To your point about luxurious pre-season friendlies, even with this, Liverpool are still comfortably in the automatic qualifying places. However, it's now three straight European matches that they conceded three goals in, which is the first time they've ever had that. So there are underlying issues for Iriola to look at.

12:10Dan Kilpatrick: Which I think, in an extent, is normal. like teething problems his first season it is a work in progress no he never he never sold this idea that that was a finished product I think Liverpool is doing well in many ways but in others you know there are going to be some ups and downs with him which I find quite natural it's not normal though to consider three goals against teams as far as Lask Fenerbahce and Villarreal this is not good the teething problems are not beginning or not this is not good well they were all set pieces as well weren't they Yeah. So I guess you can see the positives from that and the negatives.

12:48There's obviously an area they need to work on and iron out. At least they know what it is, right? Did we mention Trenione with his first goal? You did. Good. Excellent. All right. And with that case, we'll move on to, oh, yeah, Man City with a 3-2 Vitro at RB Leipzig. Dan, you were watching this. Yes. Yeah, I mean, this could be an any score, really. Maybe not 9-1, but it could have been 4-1. It could have been 3-2 to either side. It could have been 3-0. I think both teams hit the bar. City possibly hit the woodwork again, although I think that may be offside. So it was a real ding-dong, end-to-end game.

13:27There was a certain inevitability in Haaland scoring the winner, I think. I think even my commentators on HBO Max said he's probably going to score the winner at 2-2 because he has an incredible record, obviously, in the Champions League and against RB Leipzig. So that wasn't a huge surprise. But yeah, it was not characterised by any kind of control in the team. This was not a City game where they were running the game and conceded two sloppy goals. It was a game where anything goes. Anything goes. A lack of control very much for Castello Luqueba with his own goal. An extraordinary own goal. A collector's item of an own goal.

14:02Yeah, it was almost similar to Haaland's finish, actually. But he was trying to clear it, I think. Was he? I think so. Did he hit it from one leg onto the other and then in? He kind of slid it home. He sort of falls over, I think, while trying to... I will say, in his favour, about 10 minutes later, he did a kind of pirouette in the centre circle and took out two City players. So he didn't lose any confidence. He's just changed agents, I think, to get a big move. And that happens. Yeah, exactly. Right. City have conceded 14 goals in the last seven matches in all competitions. That's a lot of goals.

14:41Huh. Anyway, as you say, Erling Haaland got the winner. You mentioned his record. It's 62 goals now in 61 Champions League appearances, which is crazy. Fernandes as well with a goal.

14:53Dan Kilpatrick: No, with a hell of a header. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good knee slide too. Yeah. Which is always appreciated. I think so. It's a shame he has to defend sometimes because he can't get along the pitch and can't defend. Yeah. In a double pivot, it's problematic. indeed yeah I thought the whole thing over the last couple of years Guardiola was this thing about you know if you run at City if you kind of dribble at them they're susceptible and I thought they were supposed to fix that with Anderson and Enzo and Bouadi but Leipzig were just running through them but Nusser was brilliant he was just picking up the ball he was running through them and he had quite often had two options or two or three options you know either side and there was a lot of there was a lot of half chances and a lot of big chances as well Nusser is very much on the radar of the Gunners and other Premier League clubs and others?

15:43yeah and I think he saw the game yesterday as yeah I can show the whole of England not the whole of England but England are going to watch and I think he was outstanding he's been outstanding since the start of the season in the Bundesliga too even if Leipzig had had they were very good at home but away they got battered at Bayern for example they got battered at Komo in the Champions League so it was not all perfect for him but is the next big move that will leave them to come probably to the Premier League. Okay. As you say, they had been very good at home. They hadn't conceded any goals in all competitions in Leipzig until yesterday.

16:17So for all the City conceding, given that they're coming off back-to-back defeats, that's a good result for Enzo Mareska and company. Yeah, I think so. I think had they lost that game, after the last two results, you could start to make noises about, oh, the wheels are coming off with all the context and noise around them. Right. So, yeah. All right. Well, the wheels may come off anyway for other reasons. Natalie, meantime, you insisted on watching Slavia Prague against Arsenal. What was the result? Look at you. Look at you.

16:52Dan Kilpatrick: Well, it got better in the second half. Did it? Yeah, it did. Well, Arsenal won 2-1. But first half, well, six changes in the starting 11 from the Anfield game. And first half was the most straightforward Arsenal performance you can ever imagine. So unfussed about scoring goals and controlling the match. 60 % possession, eight shots against one. So, you know, it was very professional from Arsenal. The goals. Really nice assist from Jokeres to Madueke. and then Jokeres scores another goal, scores his goal, actually. Good goal as well. Good goal, good finish. And I think both goals show how much his all-round play improved because I think it is a point that many people use to explain why Arteta would choose Kai Havertz as a nine other than Jokeres because Jokeres is very much a nine.

17:51Dan Kilpatrick: Kai Havertz has an all-round game that really contributes to Arsenal. But if Jokic shows that he can contribute more to the team in other aspects, other than being like a proper classic striker, I think you can make a case that he should start more Premier League games, maybe. A lot of Arsenal fans seem to feel two things about this match. One, that this is the kind of game that Jokic should play, i.e. against sort of second-tier opposition. and secondly, this is the kind of game that Declan Rice should maybe not play because give the poor fellow a rest. There'll be an opportunity for that maybe this weekend against Hull.

18:27Dan Kilpatrick: Yeah, they were desperate for Arteta to take Rice off the pitch but in the second half, Slavia Prague, they changed the system, they start to play with the back three, it works, they have a different attitude, they're much more aggressive, they're trying things, they get their first shot on target finally and then the second and then the third. And they really pushed Arsenal. And we got to that weekly moment of Haya made a great save. So Haya made a great save from a shot that he made the save with his fingertips and then the ball hits the post and then comes back and goes on the line and he manages to keep it out.

19:13Dan Kilpatrick: So, yeah, everything was very fast. He got lucky and he was fast as well. His reflexes were really good, but they managed to score a goal in the 89th minute. But one of the reasons why Arteta didn't take Rice was because he was doing so much to try to prevent Slavia Prague to create more and more chances and run through the midfield. Okay. William Saliba was on the bench? He was on the bench, yeah. Okay. Which is good news. Good news indeed. On the bench for the first time in four months. Four months. Since the final of the Champions League. There you go. Very good. All right. What else happened in the Champions League on Wednesday night?

19:53We'll find out next.

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21:58Wednesday night where are the events in northern France Jules Lens 1 Come 9 9 that's right incredible so that's equaling the record for the biggest margin of victory ever in a Champions League match but the biggest ever away win Lens' biggest ever defeat I imagine of any French club and the point has been made but the trajectory of Come is quite extraordinary in 2024 they first came up not long before that they were in the fourth division in Italian football returned to Serie A in 2024 and now in the Champions League and they're currently lying fourth they're also fourth in Serie A so ahead of a great match this weekend they're going to be playing Inter they're only two points behind so that's going to be big but in terms of the performance I mean it was everything that we knew about Como and more you had all the magic from Niko Paz but you had so many other players just turning it on.

22:59Yeah, incredible. Duvicas, who is their number nine and really the only number nine right now that they have because Mosey Kane is injured. He's got a hat-trick. He's got six goals now in four Champions League matches. He's ahead of Tresoldi, ahead of Haaland, ahead of Mbappé, ahead of Kane, ahead of everybody else. Remarkable, really. The goals they scored too, the verticality, the passing, the movement, the rotation, they're an incredible team. And if you let them play, because I think they deserve a lot of praise, obviously scored nine goals. After they beat United 4-1, Fabregas almost regretted it, regretted to have said to the player, slow down now.

23:34Right. Clearly last night, he didn't say anything about slowing down because they kept on going. They could have scored more. They had 12 shots on target, the nine goals, but they still had more chances. Even the kids, Papaccioli on his debut, 18-year-old Italian scoring. It was, yeah, it was really, really impressive. But if you let them play like that and Lance were really, really poor, then they're going to run riot. Liberale became the first player from Lake Como, actually from the region, to score in the Champions League. And they had three, actually, local players at the end because that was very much the thing about Como before, where the Italians...

24:12His back heel, actually, for Batorino, has got Liberale's goal. And his goal as well, he took it really well. That was the thing. Was it 12 or 11 shots on target that they used for their nine goals? 12. 12, OK. I think they had 15 in the end. But incredibly clinical. you I think were saying praise for Koma but also hinting at what's going on with Lens and the issue I have with Lens is they chose Dino Topmoller at the start of the season in the summer to replace Pierre Sajj who went to Crystal Palace and I think Topmoller is a good coach did really well in Germany and after a few weeks there was a lot of disagreements between more not so much Topmoller himself but some members of his staff let's say that and then things just really went wrong from that and to they sacked him okay but to replace him they went with Yannick Kajuzak who's a really young coach inexperienced doesn't even have his badges so every time he coaches them in Ligue 1 they get this famous 20k fine from the league in the Champions League it's a little bit different but and he's not he's just not ready he's not ready the game yesterday is embarrassing for him the players sure of course but for him to never even being able or even seeing because he never even tried to just just stop the count and I phone it down thinking okay let's just park the bus double bus treble bus wherever you want and no he changes to try to chase games and score goals it was ridiculous from his point of view I don't I just don't think he's ready even for Ligue 1 I don't think he's ready alright that's what happens when you make that kind of call well indeed L 'Anseport is cheering on the Como goals some of which I suspect was ironic but then perhaps by the end a lot of it they were doing the ole every time and Como were passing the board to each other.

25:56They were like, hey, hey, in their own stadium. All right. Well, as I mentioned, Como next will be facing Inter this weekend. Inter, who on Tuesday beat Feyenoord 3-0 at theirs after their Derby defeat last weekend. Less good from an Italian point of view was what happened to Napoli away at Porto, where not only did they get beaten 4-1 by a Porto side that had lost all its matches previously, conceding from three corners, but also the team now seems to be falling apart and I think whether that was there were suspicions of this previously because their results have been so bad they were beaten 2-0 by Juve at the weekend they've got a big game as well this weekend when they take on the surprise Serie A leaders Lazio but you had Luka falling out with Kevin De Bruyne very visibly on the pitch and even kind of suggestions and we'll sort this out outside and swearing and stuff.

26:52And then in the post-game interviews, there seems to be a bit of a division between the Italian players and the non-Italian players. And it's a delicate position with an international break coming up for Max Allegri, who is not having a good start. They are all the way down in eighth in Serie A and 27th in the Champions League, although they have made a bit of a habit of having terrible runs in the last couple of years in this competition. Real Madrid, quite the opposite. did you see their staring comeback against the AEK? Athens, remarkable.

27:23Dan Kilpatrick: Yeah, Madrid, being Madrid in the Champions League. Well, in all competitions, actually, this was the fifth time that they've scored a match-winning goal in the 85th minute or later this season in a competition, famously against Roma when they did two in that space of time. The Valverde goal or the Bellingham? Bellingham. Oh, well, I'll have to go Valverde then. Oh, really? Just to be a contrarian. There is the weight of being the winner, the late winner in Valverde's case. And it was a magnificent strike. It was. Basically, he scores every week. He's the best striker of the world or one of the best in the world.

28:02Right. But Jude's goal? Pure class, was it? Yeah, Yuka Foot as well. Yeah. Oh, OK, fair enough. And also the fact that you see back-heel flicks like that from time to time. but to see it done so casually and again clinically was remarkable and from so far away it was like a billiard shot more than a game yeah because usually it's a cut back and then you're in the six yard box and the ball is you just have a defender and then you just flick it like that like a back heel but to do it where he was and the ball is quite strong from Kukurea as well yeah he's a way out yeah even Kukurea's reaction was like I think everybody knew but yeah a special player a special goal as Natalie says it does feel very Madrid to keep getting these late winners, but dare I say, not sustainable forever?

28:48Well, here Stewart suggests that they can sustain it, I guess. True. But I don't know. We'll find out. I'm not sure. Who have they played so far then? Roma, where they looked really shaky until Roma's lack of depth, much as it did at Old Trafford, caught up with them. This game was against AK Athens, who are not one of the powerhouses. They played Inter at home, where Inter were arguably the better team on that night. Right. They won the match they won of the Champions League. They played the Classico, obviously, where they won. They played that really well tactically. They did, didn't they? It's actually, is it six, seven wins in a row in all competitions now?

29:22Yeah, strong run. And they can even win with Vinny on the pitch. See? He was terrible. Was he terrible? And I feel for him because they clearly lost a lot of confidence. I don't know what your view is on it. So the background here is that he's been out and Diamandis come in and scored himself. some absolutely wonderful goals yeah and vinnie suspended four games in la liga so because he pulled the hair of saliva when they play villarreal and then and then in the meantime i think they find a bit more balanced they find also somebody on that left hand side in germany who probably works harder without the ball right uh and real madrid need that too and i think this was a chance in a way for vinnie like the leipzig game that he played because he's not suspended obviously in but against really poor position to show that there's a bit of competition between him and Jomande and I don't think there is right now Jomande is every time even if Vini was not suspended ahead of him in the picking order indeed excellent the other games were we mentioned Viking getting that 4-1 win over Sabah Club Bruges their 2-1 win away at PSV featured another breakaway goal from perhaps the deadliest breakaway player in the Champions League Carlos Forbes would you say?

30:36He missed the 1-1 Did he? Yeah, yeah, yeah so it was not so deadly but then took this one really well and that's the winning goal as well Dortmund beat Real Betis 2-1 Konstantinos Karetsas with the winner back from injury now their big summer signing that's his first goal from Dortmund They lost Gerasi to injury Karetsas was on the bench replaced Gerasi in the first half that could be a big blow if he was out for a long time Do we know? I don't think Kovac knew after the game yesterday and Fabio Silva did really well as a lone striker and it actually worked out for them in the end. But Guy Rassi is just so, so important.

31:10Once again, Fabio Silva with key goals of Leicester. And he assists, too. Very nice. Very nice. Hey, that's the Champions League after four match days. Next up, let's find out about the Premier League weekend in prospect when we'll be answering such questions as who has had the most touches in the opposition box this season in the Premier League? Who has won more points from losing positions this season in the Premier League. I think I know that one. Oh, yeah? And what was number one the last time Everton faced Coventry?

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33:39You're listening to The Totally Football Show with James Richardson, now with you four times a week. Keep up to date with us on Insta and enjoy us in glorious Technicolor on YouTube at The Totally Show. Scott Parker's been officially appointed West Ham manager, everybody. Yes. There you go. Started with a draw 3-3. That wasn't him. That was Mark Noble. Yeah, but he'd been appointed before, so he was not him. Yes. But that's still, in a way, the start of... Do you think? The Parker bounce. The Parker bounce. Hold on. If they lose 3-0, it was Mark Noble. Exactly. But they drew 3-3, so it was Parker.

34:14Yeah, that makes sense. So, yeah, came from behind, didn't they? How many goals were they down? 3-0 down. Yeah, kind of. Woof. anyway perhaps we'll be seeing West Ham perhaps we'll be seeing West Ham with Scott Parker back in the Premier League next season but what we will be seeing in England's top flight this weekend is on Friday Everton Coventry Everton with the win could go level with fourth place Chelsea yeah points remarkable Saturday lunchtime there's Leeds Spurs at three o 'clock on Saturday you've got Arsenal Hull and Fulham who are three matches unbeaten now taking on Crisis Club Newcastle.

34:51At 5.30, Crisis Club Noddington Forest take on Man City. Sunday, four games at two o 'clock, Brighton-Brentford, Palace-Liverpool, Ipswich-Bourmouth, and Sunderland-Chelsea, and then at 4.30, Man United-Aston Villa, all eyes on Unai Emery. And indeed, Michael Carrick. Well, Dan, because there was this big story about how United wanted Unai Emery. But I see that Villa have lined up. I thought you were being ironic. Oh, because all eyes on Unai Emery. Those will be on Carrick. Yeah, yeah, quite. All eyes. Well, they'll be kind of a multi-filminous. You can probably keep your eyes on both of them.

35:25I think so. They're close enough, aren't they? Yeah. Maybe there'll be a split-screen manager watch thing. I don't know. A lot of people suggesting that with the international break coming, this could be the last appearance for my... Natalie.

35:37Dan Kilpatrick: No, it's just that this international break is the international break where I feel managers are more pressured because you've seen enough of the teams so far this season. And then after that, you only have an international break in March and you're going into December where you have a lot of games in a row. So you don't want to change managers there. And there's the January transfer window. And you want to have, if you're going to make the change, before the January transfer window. Exactly. Who's going to go, Natalie? You're too nice. I lost Jules. He'll say it. Yeah, go to Jules. Jules, who's going to go?

36:14I think Clary could go. Definitely, I think it was a miracle that win against Roma. I'm not sure how much it's down to Michael Carrick or changes anything, but this game is big for that. Well, something changed at halftime there. I know they got lucky, but there was a difference in their approach. Yeah, you know what he said to the players at halftime? What did he say? Keep it going. It's not really... The first half was so bad for him to go halftime and say, hey, boys, keep it going. So what did happen then? No, I just think they got... I think the penalty is never a penalty, and that changes really the dynamic.

36:43and after that, the crowd. I think the players also obviously wanted to do better. Yeah, individual performances. The first half was embarrassing from a player's point of view. They also have a history of doing this. I seem to remember that game happening under Solskjaer. It did, yeah. Exactly what you're saying. It's in their muscle memory to respond to a deficit. Against a poor Italian side. Or Luh. Or Luh.

37:08Dan Kilpatrick: But on Unai and all these rumors about him and Man United keeping an eye on him, well, Ville apparently are making sure that he's not going anywhere because they are finishing a new deal for him. His current contract is up until 2029. So apparently they're making sure that he's not going anywhere. What kind of numbers are we talking, Natalie? Have you seen any exciting numbers? unfortunately not oh ok but anyway you imagine it'll be a fat it'll be a sweet sweet deal they can't spend that much money Unai Emery does have one or two teams that he struggles against one of which is Barcelona and he faced them this week with a big defeat away in Catalonia but another one is Man United his figures there he's faced them eight times with one win and six defeats any of them remontadas as well or I don't know.

38:06I don't know. Yeah, United have only lost two of their last 31 Premier League home games against Aston Villa. I don't know. Dan, do you have any strong feelings about this game? I think it could be Mark Eric's last game. I agree with Jules. There's a good sack race in the Premier League at the moment. I think Sarge is very much in it as well. Maybe Lons could get him back. But there's a few. I think Yaisler's maybe joining it as well. but I while I agree with the sentiment at United that this is way bigger than Carrick I do think you just can't allow this level of what's the word? Drift Drift yeah you just can't allow the team to continue going this direction without making it.

38:52Do you think maybe some of that passion from the second half anything of that momentum will bleed into this fixture? Yeah I think so I mean I think it will give them a lift but I think as I said we've seen this before from United. It doesn't, that result didn't scream to me turning point. No. It's, you know, it felt more like, you know, a team kind of on its knees showing a bit of fight, but the team's still on its knees. Okay. I could have done a better metaphor then, but I couldn't. And,

39:21Dan Kilpatrick: I don't know, I'm still trying to understand how the relationship with the leaderships are. You know, in Man United, yeah. How many leaderships are there, do you think? That might be the issue. Yeah, there might be one of the issues. But, you know, Bruno Fernandes gave an interview after the match saying that, you know, it was OK that it was a technical decision from Michael Carrick. And he was he was fine with it. And there were a lot of lies in the media about him not playing. Oh, right. Yeah. And then there was like this weird moment with Mateus Cunha on the pitch. So, you know, it's just. When he came back afterwards.

39:57Dan Kilpatrick: He came back afterwards. He shouldn't be there. I understand. Yeah, but it was all very cold. You know, he shouldn't be here. You scored both winners, but, you know, you shouldn't be here. Right. And I don't know. It's just, it's a weird vibe. Fernandes is very much on the verge of doing what I would describe as a Christian Romero and just kind of coming out and burning the club to the ground in a media interview. It feels like he's kind of inching that way and psyching himself up to really tell it how it is. Okay. Watch the postgame with interest then. Sunday 4.30, that one will be kicking off and then possibly post the final whistle as well.

40:30Natalie, this weekend you're going to two games. Arsenal, because you cannot get enough of those Soarway Gunners. Arsenal's game with Hull. And why wouldn't you? That's Saturday at 3 o 'clock. And then you're going to follow that with Brighton-Brenford, which may be more eventful.

40:45Dan Kilpatrick: I'm excited about Brighton-Brenford, to be honest. Tell us about that then. Yeah, because I think there are a few interesting things on this match-up. You know, you have Brighton who in the past couple of seasons with Fabian Hurtzler, they show they can, you know, challenge the establishment, which is a sentence they used so many times. But this season, I feel like there is more of a variety of ways that Brighton can manage games and deal with situations, especially like last week against Manchester City. I think they showed more maturity than Anfield, for example. And so many interesting things with Brighton.

41:21Dan Kilpatrick: And we talk a lot about recruitment and young players. But when you have such a young manager as well, you also see him developing. And you don't really know what's his ceiling. So you see this season, he's developing tactically. And it's just interesting to see everything that's happening at Brighton. And on the other hand, you have Brentford, who is very straightforward. They're not as flashy as Brighton, but they can be very efficient. and, you know, they, like, for example, the game they had against Chelsea, the three-new win. Igor Thiago is, you know, scored on the last weekend and apparently is picking up some form.

42:06Dan Kilpatrick: Fans really like him. So it should be an interesting matchup. I'm excited. As should Arsenal-Hull. Memories, of course, of 2008 and Giovanni. Do you remember? Early on in that extraordinary, that brilliant and so successful Hull campaign. Phil Brown. Phil Brown, yeah. Yeah. Exactly, that's enough. The Gunners have won 13 of their last 14 Premier League matches, whereas the Tigers very much haven't. That's seven games without a win for them. And that's what's happening for you on Saturday afternoon. Yes, three o 'clock kickoff. All right, then. Later on that day, Forest take on Man City. We had Forrest's shot count in their last five games, something like, I think, 92.

42:53It might have been 92 shots and two goals from that. Will it improve against Man City after Oliver Glassner came out and said, no more Mr. Nice, Oliver Glassner? Yeah, yeah. What do you think that's going to mean, Jules? We'll see with the line-up to see, for example, if some of those players that he didn't mention, but he was talking about, are not there. maybe you could see a change I don't know front with the lap or even the the two wing backs or the centre backs defensively the data and the stars are actually quite good they don't give much to the opposition they've considered some goals and obviously haven't won many games but they've been decent so it's interesting to see how they would defend against City right and how they're trying to score a goal but that's the thing and I think the more they will have they have to win this game I mean I think Glasner won't be psyched because I think he's the right guy to just improve this team.

43:52But they need to win games at some point and that would probably be to the detriment of their solidity defensively that they've certainly the underlying style show. So it's a balance to find. When there were problems at Palace, he played a lot with this I might leave situation. He kind of said it. And he kind of said this again the other day. If people don't follow me, then they'll have to get a sixth manager. I can have breakfast with my family he says indeed so ok Oliver Glasner alright what else we got oh hello

44:21Dan Kilpatrick: it was two goals in 94 shots in the last five Premier League matches yikes and no goals at City Ground so far this season yes but we said it I think last time maybe we talked about Forrest when I was on the show one of the issues last season was we're not scoring enough goals we did it at the weekend last weekend on Sunday I think and how do you address that you go and sign Liam Delab for £15 million the guy who can't score for his life either the guy who's got more yellow cards than goals in the play exactly and it's normal that you end up with 94 goals and 2 shots if only 94 shots and 2 goals because your number 9s are not good and what is more intriguing as well I did Ipswich Forest a couple of weeks ago and I spoke to Morgan Gibbs White after the game and you know talking about The opportunities and not scoring, how can you explain?

45:18Dan Kilpatrick: They can't. They can't seem to find an explanation for it. And, you know, I asked Oliver Glasner, how do you address a problem if you can't find the source of the issue? And he was like, yeah, don't make it a bigger problem. You just keep trying, which is kind of what he's been saying. We just keep trying this way because I've been doing things this way and this way works. If not, the sauce he could be finding might be his breakfast sauce. And Nuno is available. And Nuno is available. And Edu's gone. Edu is gone, yeah, as well. Wow. Dan, what a... I only just thought of that. Just in time. Great thinking.

46:02Yeah. What else this weekend? Sunderland at two will be up against Chelsea. Well, that's a fixture that the Black Cats won on the final day of last season to secure their European qualification. And they passed the four bridges as well last season. They did the double. Yeah, absolutely right. This season's turned out a little bit different so far for Sunderland. They host Dinamo Zagreb in the Europa League on Thursday night. How much that'll impact their performance in Sunday's clash with Chelsea. We shall see. Will Esteval keep his place in the Chelsea line-up? We simply don't know.

46:36Dan Kilpatrick: I would expect so. You think? Yes, absolutely. No, he had a great performance last weekend. And Xabi Alonso was the first one to admit it. When he was asked, did Estevon show that he needs to be in the starting XI? And he said, yes, absolutely. And maybe he should have gotten an opportunity earlier. OK. And, you know, I understand that managers, they're not obligated to play anyone. And I understand where he's coming from. He just arrived at the club and he picked the players that fit his system the best. But I think one of the many things that managers should think of, and there are many things, is that they have to develop talented players.

47:22Dan Kilpatrick: OK. Carlo Ancelosi. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. And he's been using Estevon a lot. So I think when you have a talent like Estevon, the fans really like him. He showed in his first season that he's ready for the Premier League. It's not like he needs time. You really need to give him more minutes to develop this type of talent. Gotcha. Okay. You mentioned Piersage and his perhaps pole position in the sack race. His crystal palace will be taking on Liverpool. Palace going into that game have conceded the most goals, faced the most shots and also made the fewest shots in the Premier League, which doesn't sound ideal.

48:05And no Mateta as well. which is really important, not just for the team, but for Pierre Sage as well.

48:10Dan Kilpatrick: But can I make a case for Pierre Sage? Make a case for Pierre Sage, Nathalie. I think of all the managers on the race, on the brink of leaving their clubs, I feel like he was the one that has been dealt with the toughest set of cards because Dean Henderson was just back a couple of games ago. He was missing for 10 games due to injury and not only for his technical abilities and his leadership, but also his organizational skills. They lost Lacroix and lost Victor Munoz. So there's that. Ismail Assar, also injured. Mateta was injured and now suspended. So with everything happening and so many crucial players missing, I feel like, I mean, it's tough for him.

48:59Dan Kilpatrick: He's such a lovely guy. The problem he's got is there's just too many appealing managers on the market now, like Nuno, Thomas Frank, Deich, that I think Steve Parrish will be kind of casting longing glances at if results continue like this. Yeah, McKenna. Yeah, also. Dan, let's hear about Spurs. I thought you'd never ask, Jimbo. Who will never lose again. Three wins in a row now. They've leapt to ninth place in the table. Yeah, I mean, genuinely heady heights for Spurs after the last couple of seasons. Right, it's an up curve of dizzying gradient. Where does it lead? I think I'm obviously encouraged by the last three games, I think.

49:43And in fact, beyond that. Because Liam Tham wrote a piece that said, yes, Tottenham have won three on the spin, but, and the but was that they'd scored all their goals from either set pieces or from very long, oh sorry, corners or long range. And are still struggling to create from open play, if not. Yeah, I mean, the Palace game is a perfect example. Palace go down to 10 men really early. Spurs are at home. They've got this momentum of a couple of wins behind them. And you think for a lot of teams, you think, OK, this is a great opportunity to score four or five, have a statement win and really kickstart the season.

50:17But I never thought that Spurs team was going to score four or five because they just don't have the personnel in the team to score that number of goals. They really need Solenki or Marmouche to kind of step up as a nine. I'm not sure Marmouche is a nine and I think Solanke's had injury issues he's got confidence issues he's just struggling for rhythm so they've got a problem with putting it in the back of the net but I think the thing that encourages me is I think Zerbi obviously knows what he's doing he's obviously a good coach he's got a plan he's coaching nice exciting football that the fans want to watch he's happy to be there which is not always true for Spurs managers he's got a lot of credit in the bank which is not always true for Spurs managers and I think the vibes are on the upward gradient.

51:02Okay, and no European football. Yeah, yeah, it's an opportunity season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I still think, some people are saying now, I suppose you should be looking at Europe or Champions League or whatever. I still think this year is about them just learning to be competitive in the Premier League again. Because the last two seasons, they genuinely just weren't a competitive Premier League team.

51:20Dan Kilpatrick: Just one thing on Spurs, I was thinking, because I did the game on the weekend against Palace and I was thinking of Archie Gray. when he scored the goal. And now that Pedro Pojo is back and he's obviously the first choice for that position. But there's so much competition in midfield. And I feel for Archie Gray because he's been there just trying to help out in literally almost every position as best as he can. And maybe now he won't be able to find a place in the starting XI as much as he's a very versatile player and he's been very useful. and with with Deserbi I all the players that you you talk to off the record about Deserbi they really like him they really buy into him and like his communication skills and even like I've heard from players who had massive arguments with him because you know he's that passionate kind of guy and then five minutes later they're okay they're all good and he's a treat to talk to from a reporter's point of view i think dan can can can agree with that as well because he gives so much and that makes me think that his communication skills with with the players must be you know after the match some managers celebrate and some explain today i am explaining no it's brilliant talking to him and you you really you get a full picture of what's what's happening and I think that's helpful for fans as well you know he's community he's very clear and in very direct like this player did not play well he shouldn't be doing that and obviously he's spoken to the player as well but yeah it doesn't always work out though no I don't think so either and it's never his fault either when things go wrong right it was not the start of the season you always find excuses but I agree with Dan and obviously Nath as well I think he's great they've got momentum he's a really good coach he's just very often at some point he explodes Spurs have given him the keys to the club in like the same way that Villa have said you know we are in I'm a EFC now Spurs that's Spurs approach you're in charge we'll give you I think he's more powerful than any manager they've had really in the Premier League era and that's fine when it's fine you know when it's going well But when he's not happy and you've given him all this power, as Jules has alluded to, I think that's when there could be issues.

53:48But after the last couple of years, I think just enjoy it while you can. For sure. Leeds, the opponents this weekend, are beaten in their first four matches of this season, but now winless in their last five. So a good time to be taking them on. The other games taking place this weekend, another of the Sunday two o 'clock, is Ipswich against Bournemouth. Bournemouth, who are in action on Thursday evening. They're up against Sparta Prague in the Europa League, looking to make it seven wins in a row in all competition. The previous six wins featured no goals conceded whatsoever. Extraordinary. Eva Nilsson is on a scoring streak.

54:26Dan Kilpatrick: Yeah, he is. He's doing really well under Marco Rosi. Someone asked me if there was a chance for him in the national team. I mean, not for this international break, because, you know, the list has been announced already. I would be a bit surprised because Ivanilso is 27 already. And I feel like Ancelotti is really trying to get younger players to test them. But maybe it can get too difficult for him to ignore Ivanilso. But he's been doing really well under Jose. OK, he's played twice for Brazil previously. 2024, if I'm not mistaken. Ipswich, just to mention that only Erling Haaland has made more shots in the Premier League this season and then Julio Inciso.

55:12And I asked which club have earned the most points from losing position so far this campaign. It's Ipswich.

55:17Dan Kilpatrick: Yeah, I was going to go for Ipswich. Where are you going to go from? Yeah, I was going to go for Ipswich, yeah. A whopping eight points. I also asked who's had the most touches in the opposition box in the Premier League this season. Dan, do you know? No. It's Josh King. Oh, wow. It's Josh King. Yeah, more touches. I don't know how many, but he's had more. his Fulham will be taking on Newcastle and Fulham as we mentioned before three games unbeaten now Newcastle as you mentioned Dan with Matthias Jasler feeling the pressure right now I think so yeah I watched them midweek against Everton Monday Monday night against Everton that was a tough watch yeah it was a tough watch and there was there was a kind of inevitability about Everton winning that game I think they were just on top they looked just a better coach team with more of a plan and I wasn't really sure what Newcastle were trying to do.

56:10Okay.

56:10Dan Kilpatrick: I was reporting on that game. Oh, you were there? Yeah, it is worse when it's raining in the second half. But what impressed me the most was the atmosphere at St. James Park. I think it's a good thing that this game is at Craven Cottage this weekend because I was talking to fans and people who cover Newcastle for a while and they said we haven't seen the mood so low here at St. James Park since Mike Ashley. Really? So, yeah, the boos were really impressive. Half-time, full-time, even still during the first half, they were really voicing their frustrations. And to an extent, I kind of understand because when you have problems in both boxes and a lot of space in midfield where Josh King can really take advantage of that this weekend, And it is understandable that the confidence is so low.

57:05Dan Kilpatrick: So many individual mistakes during the match, misplaced passes. Things don't look good for Newcastle. Yikes. Everton, meanwhile, who defeated Newcastle there on Monday, on Friday, will be kicking this round off with a match against Coventry. They haven't taken each other on in league football in 26 years almost. It was January 2001 and I asked the question, what was number one back then? Anyone? 2001? Yeah. Spice Girls? No. No, earlier. OK. It was... No, later. Spice Girls were the 90s. Yeah. Oh, they were earlier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were earlier. Love Don't Cost a Thing by J-Lo. I don't remember that song at all.

57:50Do you remember that?

57:51Dan Kilpatrick: Oh, yeah, I do. Love Don't Cost a Thing. No? Still got nothing. you're not missing much okay yeah it's not a great tune no yeah J.Lo did better what's your favourite J.Lo track oh I think If You Had My Love is a good one how did that one go Natalie if you had my love oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know this one that one I know yeah yeah don't be fooled by the rocks that I got yeah Jenny from the block yeah that's the best one is it the best don't be fooled by Artem see That's a banger. Don't be fooled by the large diamonds that I'm wearing. I'm still keeping it real. Yeah. I'm still the same guy I was.

58:33Dan Kilpatrick: Yeah. Very relatable to all of us wearing large diamonds. Yeah. Did I mention my large diamonds? Because I'm still real, everyone. Yeah. Excellent. Wow. That's it then. I don't think we can beat that in terms of all we can. That's not it. Oh, Cristiano Ronaldo. Yeah, I think we can. Is this just happened? Just happened. Just happened, everyone. 10 minutes ago or so. Cristiano Ronaldo has announced his international retirement. Is that like he wasn't picked in the squad, so he said, I've retired. That's why. Yeah, it's just, there is an official statement. The fact that we're reacting this way, I would say is largely his fault for the way that he has treated recent matches and indeed recent competitions.

59:19However, this does represent the closing of a pretty extraordinary chapter in the history of football, Cristiano Ronaldo. So his desire had been to have one or two farewell matches and I imagine that they'll still make a fixture for him to say goodbye with. Benin are available for another game. Yeah. But in the meantime, what an extraordinary servant he was for the Portuguese national side until he very much wasn't.

59:50Dan Kilpatrick: no man's footballer has made as many international appearances 234 appearances 146 goals for Portugal 5 times Ballon d 'Or winner all of that Euro 2016 obviously two Nations League I think that's the one for him I know there's been a lot of negative talk around him and the way that things developed with, well, now with Jorge Jesus, but even before that, but his legacy is hard to top. Right, indeed so. Well, no doubt we'll have an opportunity to get into that when the international break rolls around and we'll look at all the exciting fixtures on the road to the latest Nations League, which is what they'll be playing for, not this weekend, but the weekend after.

1:00:41Big games, England taking on Croatia and Spain. Who France got, Jules? Italy. Oh, yeah, they do. The same night as England, Croatia, actually. That's right. And it's a new Italy. New. Yeah. And it's Dan, obviously, going back to Italy.

1:00:56Dan Kilpatrick: Nice. Oof. That'd be good. Oof. Hey, anyway, all right. Brazil's playing Japan. Ah, so nice. It's like in the World Cup. Uh-huh, yeah, yeah. Hopefully more comfortable than the World Cup. But I find, yeah, I think it's a good test. I'm excited about that game. And Singapore. Good one. But, you know, mostly Japan. They're playing Singapore. Yeah. They play some interesting games, don't they? Singapore is to make the money. Yeah. Japan is to have a football test. Yeah. Good. Very, very good. Excellent. Well, many thanks to everyone for joining us today. Benji and producer Charlie, Jules, Dan and Natalie and you, wherever you've been following us from.

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