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26:35We can make the Pixel Buds fourth, even though they're very good. And the purple is awesome. And if you have one, I will give you a high five on the street. All right, that's three. So let's pause here and take a quick break. Just to recap, at number six, we have the Google Pixel tablet. Easiest decision of the day. At number five, we have the Pixel Fold. At number four, we have the Pixel Buds. We're going to take a super quick break, come back, and rank the top three. We'll be right back.

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28:42All right, we're back. Just to reorient, we have three things left on the board. We have the Pixel, which is like encompassing of all the normal Pixel line, the Pixel, the Pixel Pro, the Pro XL. That's the Pixel. We have the Pixel Watch, which frankly, already a coup to be just in the top half of the list here. And we have the Pixel A series, including the Pixel 9a. That's our top three in some order. Let's get back into it. I think we have to put a phone here. Yeah, I know which one I want. Yeah, which one do you want to put? Number three. I will put the regular Pixel number three, even though it's very good.

29:15Okay. I think we agree on what number one should be then. Do we? We'll get to that. Do we? Okay. I think we might. No, the Pixel is great. I think it's like you want an Android phone that just feels like uncluttered and unbusy and does it takes good pictures and it has Qi2 and all that. Like, great. This is this is a phone you should get. But it's I don't I don't know. Like there is you can get that, you know, that that is a thing that exists. It doesn't feel as special. But let me just let me this is an open question. I might be completely wrong in setting myself up for failure here. If I'm just like a regular person.

30:01And I'm like, Allison, what Android phone should I buy? And you are allowed to ask me no follow up questions. Aren't you recommending the pixel? So, okay. Yes, but my follow-up question is, what is your wireless carrier giving away for free? Because probably that's what you're doing. No, no, no. Yeah. I'm like, are you paying out of pocket? And then, all right. I have two follow-up questions to your no follow-up question question. Well, so this is the part where I'm torn is I think right now the Pixel 10 is the best Android phone. And I actually don't think it's like super close. yeah and i think that that's a like meaningful powerful thing and i don't think that's been true for a while i think samsung really like figured out a lot of stuff and got way ahead and i think google has just sort of slowly resolutely caught up and just the like day-to-day experience of using a pixel to me is so much more pleasant than using samsung software still that like i just again like i all the people in my life who use android who don't want to spend a lot of time thinking about their phone have pixels and are happier for it.

31:13And I think that is like, that means something. But there are phones that cost as much as the Pixel that are also terrific, which is why I think the Pixel belongs in spot three. But okay, so my question though, is that we're also ranking these things against each other. And if we're going with a phone for number three, you know, people don't upgrade their phones every year anymore. And if you are making a long-term choice between an A-series Pixel phone and a Pixel phone, are you actually going to say that the A is better than the Pixel? Because I have been using the Pixel 10 XL for Pixel Pro 10, you know, like one of those things, for testing in the summer of Android watches.

31:57And I feel like, oh my God, it's really good. I've been an iPhone girly for a really long time, I'm like, oh, this is really nice. I enjoy this quite a bit. Except that I'm always accidentally circling to search unintentionally. But it's a really great phone. It feels like I've been so delighted by it this past summer that I'm just like, oh, well, if it were up to me, I would be pleasantly chuffed to spend the extra money, regardless of carrier deals, for the mainline phone versus the budget, especially if I'm, you know, a normal person and not a reviewer with like 50 phones in my bag. I don't know.

32:40I kind of, I'm just like. So here's where I'm landing with this. I feel like a nice$800 phone solved, like that exists. Right now I would recommend the Pixel, like that's the one you should get, But it doesn't feel like a standout in the way that I think the A-series Pixel phone is like, it is the phone I recommend to like not phone people. I made my parents buy them because I don't want them walking around with phones that are security risks. the amount of like software updates it gets and what you get in the price point, I think makes it like far and above. Like, yeah, you're not going to find this somewhere else, not in this country.

33:29So I'm tipping my hand, but I really like the A-series Pixel. We do agree on the order. Oh, yes. I'm with Allison. I think we're going to put the Pixel third because for exactly that reason, And I think when you think about what is it competing with, the Pixel has real one-to-one competitors in the way that the A-series just doesn't. So that's, V, I appreciate your point. Tell Petey I'm sorry. No, I defer to the phone expert. I'm the wearable lady, so I defer to expertise here. All right, so this leaves us with in sixth place, the Pixel tablet. Fifth place, the Pixel Fold. Fourth place, the Pixel Buds.

34:12third place the pixel we have two left we have the pixel a series and the pixel watch i believe allison and i both want to put the a series number one v would you like to make the case for why the pixel watch should be number one yes because you could um i think it's how far it's come, one, and where it is going. Again, you could make the argument that, you know, in the world of budget phones, there is massive innovation coming. I don't know if I fully believe that on my side of the tech review sphere, but every conversation I've had with the Pixel team, every conversation I've had with tech companies about what's coming next, it leads me to believe that we are going to be living in a wearable hell soon, which is...

35:11And if you look at the scope of things, the only real competitor that the Pixel Watch has now is the Apple Watch, as far as flagship things go. And I don't say this lightly. This was the most intriguing and the most interesting and the most... A plus of the wearables smartwatches that I have tested this year. You think the Pixel Watch right now is better than the Apple Watch? It is more interesting. That's not what I asked. It's almost on par. In some ways it's not, but it almost is. The fact that it has Fitbit integration and Fitbit does health in a way that is smarter. Okay, Workout Buddy, it's fine, but they are coming out with an AI coach where the look that I got beforehand truly left me sitting there going like, if they can pull this off, this is major.

36:05You know, they are starting to innovate on certain areas that Apple just has not. These Apple Watch is still not repairable. These are, that's major. I think you also can't underestimate how much better Gemini is than Siri. And like, if you are a believer that AI interactions and AI input in particular is like a real reason to get a smartwatch. And I think that it is. That is such a giant advantage for the Pixel Watch. Siri sucks so bad. Yeah. My husband has gotten used to me being able to ask Gemini questions on the watch. And he goes, ask your watch. Can you ask your watch this thing? I'm like, hold up.

36:48I decide what I ask my watch. You should just start to just reach out your arm and be like, you ask. Yeah. I don't care. You talk to the robot. It's just such a massive leap to the point where it's like, I'm going to have to talk and we're going to have to reconfigure our buying guide because this is the best Android smartwatch on the market right now. Like OnePlus, sure, the battery life is better. But the fact that this can go from 14 % to 27, no, 14 % to 97 % in 34 minutes is massive. I did a test where I had this Ultra and the Pixel Watch 4, and this is the Ultra 3. They were both at 14 % and 15 % respectively.

37:30I charged them for the same amount of time. The Pixel Watch went to 97%. The Apple Watch Ultra went to 55%. Wow. So it charges faster than the Apple Watch Ultra. um battery life wise i've got i got a pretty good amount on on the on the larger watch which is the 45 millimeter allison got i think a day and a half on the smaller watch i think i got i forget the exact number it's in my review my my brain is swiss cheese but it was a good amount uh on there i think it was around 55 hours 44 at least 48 hours i got comfortably and the fact that you can just charge it in 15 to 30 minutes and it's going to be most of the way charged you you kind of solve the battery problem fitbit is much better at uh sleep tracking than the apple watch is you have a wider robust thing the only thing that it's not better at is gps tracking which whatever um the maps are good enough even though it has dual uh frequency gps right now they've had they both have satellite um uh connectivity but frankly at least in my neck of the woods i hooked i hiked up three mountains in dense state forests.

38:40And at no point did I lose cellular coverage on either watch. So I have to go travel down at Thanksgiving to Tyaskin, Maryland, where my in-laws are from. And there is a nut farm where there's only one bar of service and you have to stand in a certain way. So I have to go test satellite there because nowhere in the tri-state area that I've been to in the last three weeks is without cell coverage. So I'm just saying there, you know, I will accede if you guys really want to put the A series first, but in terms of like cohesive vision where this thing is going, the massive strides they've made in four years, it's just blown me away.

39:21I think you both will say that I am a grumpy pants. It's very hard to impress me. We've said a lot of mean things about Pixel watches on the verge. We have said so many mean things. And look at me now. I am saying this is the best Android smartwatch on the market. And I don't say that lightly. I actually think there is a real case to be made that this is just the best smartwatch, period. Like, especially for like, if you're not like a capital F fitness person and the thing you want is like all the other stuff that they talk about for smartwatches, there's a run of those things that the Pixel Watch does better than the Apple Watch.

39:56My only complaint, just coming from the Apple Watch to the Pixel 4 now, it feels like a tiny bit slower. It is like just a beat behind where I'm like pressing a thing and it takes a second to like pop up. You know, I don't know. You're the expert on this. Maybe you can tell me if I'm imagining things. I literally just got a notification across all three of them at this point in time, all the three watches I have right now. That's too many notifications. And the Garmin was the slowest. It is, it is. My arms are constantly buzzing, and I've just gotten used to it. But... What a sentence. I think you could make the argument that the Apple Watch has gestures and that this is only kind of starting to catch up in the gesture space.

40:48So in terms of hands-free computing, this is a little bit ahead. But again, Gemini on the wrist, light years ahead of Siri on the wrist. So in terms of like the Series 11, yeah, okay. That wasn't a major upgrade year. Like I legitimately said that the Apple Watch SE3, look at me. I'm just pulling smartwatches out of thin air. The SE3 was the most compelling Apple Watch this year. And I love the Apple Watch. I think it's a great smartwatch. It has been leading the industry for close to 10 years now. This is a real competitor. For the first time, I'm just like one-to-one. The ideas are there. The cohesive vision is there.

41:33I, you know, in this mad blitz review period where I've been writing like 10 ,000 words a week or whatever and thinking about all these wearable devices because why are there so many wearables this year? I don't know. They want me to die. but um you know it's the one that at least of the wrist-based things has uh really impressed me and it's a surprise uh it's why i if we were doing this with a pixel watch there i would not be arguing this hard is what i would say yeah i also would have like ruthlessly started making fun of you if you had started arguing that hard no i think you're right and i think the like what is the best smartwatch question is a very complicated and be totally moot right like Like no one, I think, buys a watch first and then a phone.

42:18So you're just buying the one that connects to your phone. And like, it's sort of the end. But the fact that they're even meaningfully close and you don't have to miss one if you have the other, huge victory for phone buyers everywhere. Allison, was that, are you convinced? Did that change your mind at all? This is tougher than I thought now because the argument that there's more innovation and there's more coming to get kind of excited about, I totally see that on the watch. Okay, so let me just pour cold water on that really fast. One of the core beliefs of The Verge is that we don't review products based on future potential.

42:57And this is, we can redo this ranking at some point, but this right now is the best. What is the best Google product right now? yeah and i think the the strides thing is real right and the the the like distance google has come is amazing but like if we're gonna give you know i i would have to sit here and be like well if siri gets better and i don't want to do that so we can't do that with gemini yeah well it there's also like uh phones are such a known quantity and like a solved thing where i talked to my hairstylist and I recommend, you know, I had her buy a Pixel. But then I'm like, have you thought about a watch?

43:38And I kind of evangelize like smartwatches now because I find them so useful. She got a smartwatch. She got a Pixel watch and she loves it too. So I see that. I'll give you my side, Allison. Come. Come. So the other thing is, Allison, the point you made about whatever phone you're getting for free from your carrier is also a knock against the pixel a series because the case i would make for the pixel a series is that for a very long time you could not buy a good phone for less than about 800 it just didn't exist there were lots of phones at like 200 that were fine and you could get like a perfectly functional android phone for not a lot of money that's been true for a very but not like feature complete, but was at a like meaningfully cheaper price point, literally did not exist.

44:35And then Google showed up and was like, well, we're going to do the A series and has now gotten to the point where the A series is meaningfully close to being as good as all of the high end competitors to the point where now I'm like, okay, well, you can have the$800 or$900 or$1 ,000 phone, or you can have this$400 phone that makes this one compromise. What are your thoughts? And like, I've had the same experience you have where like a lot of people in my life just very happily bought A-series phones and have never looked back. And it's like, sure, you don't get some of the like high-end stuff.

45:12You don't always get the fastest processor. You don't always get the best camera. But like you get a very good phone for literally half the price. And it reinvented the existence of that thing. And I want to give the Pixel A-series a lot of credit for that. except particularly in the U.S. there is a strong chance that you are trading in a phone and thus getting whatever you get for almost no money. Yeah. Yeah. God, that is the ugly thing. I think what I one of the things I appreciate about the A-series is that it is within the realm of possibilities that you would pay out of pocket for this thing.

45:47And it's, you know, that that varies. And there's financing you can do if you're even doing that much. But as far as like we're so in the grasp of these carriers and the deals and the upgrades and it feels so like kind of refreshing that the Pixel A series is over here is like if you want to break free of that and you can like cobble together 500 bucks, you can still trade in your phone and probably get some money off of that. that exists and you can just own it and you can walk away with it and it's your phone and you haven't made a huge sacrifice as far as, you know, performance or features.

46:30You don't get a telephoto camera now, but, you know, you can probably make do. That's my one thing to keep the Pixel 8 series phone in the number one spot. It just feels like it's the phone that can break the cycle of carrier deal addiction. All right, Allison, I'm going to make you do an incredibly unfair thing. I'm sticking with the Pixel 9a as my number one. Uh-huh. V has made a, I would say, a surprisingly great case for the Pixel watch. You have to break the tie. Oh, my gosh. Well, I was getting... Petey, but he just ran away. Petey's like, I'm out. I want no part of this. Petey is looking at the door that's close right now.

47:13He's like, let me out because the whatever, but I will concede that there are times when I am using Gemini on the wrist and I'm just like, I'm gonna just pull out my phone. So we're talking about that. I would not be mad for the Pixel Watch to be number two. To me this time. I'm just saying it's the best Android smartwatch out there. It is. And so if we're talking about Google products as a whole and we're talking about like the best thing that it does, you know, I'll be satisfied if it's in the top two. I think on this list, number two for the Pixel Watch is like there is going to be rejoicing on the Pixel Watch team for this to even be number two on here.

47:56I'll be satisfied for it to be number two. So, Allison, go with your heart. I made my case. I'm going to go with Pixel Watch number two as the like happy to be here. It's love in its life in the number two slot there. Pixel 9a reigns supreme. it's the phone you get your dad to buy. Honestly, the Pixel Watch was just happy to be nominated. You know what I mean? It's an honor just to be here at the awards ceremony. It's getting Best Supporting Actress, even though it didn't even think it would get nominated. And, you know, it's fine. It just came for the free alcohol, and instead it got nominated.

48:32And, like, that's a huge victory. Yeah, I'm quite satisfied. So just to recap, at number six, we have the Pixel Tablet, which is the one team at Google that should feel bad at the end of these rankings, I would say. At number five, we have the Pixel Fold. Number four, we have Pixel Buds. Number three, we have the Pixel, which I should say encompasses like just the Pixel, Pixel Pro, all the just the regular Pixels. Number two, we have the Pixel Watch. And number one, the best product Google makes. I think we I think we got this right. It's the Pixel A series. Yeah, we nailed it. I love this. I really can't believe that Google is good at smartwatches now.

49:08Like if you asked me this five years ago, I would have laughed at you. Google makes good gadgets consistently. This inevitably means in three months, Google will shut down the whole pixel lineup. They'll all go into the graveyard. We're all going to look like idiots. They'll all go into the graveyard. Oh, God. Yeah. But until then, I'm very excited about this. All right. Thank you both for doing this, B. This was delightful. Travis, your tool worked fabulously. This was great. We're going to have to do this again. I enjoy this exercise very much, and I think it's going to be fun with some other companies, too, especially ones that have even weirder and more disparate product lineups to talk about.

49:40Like, are the AirPods better than the iPad is a question I'm going to say out loud to both of you at some point in the future. And I'm very much looking forward to it. Yeah, I'll be thinking about that. I don't know. I want the Dyson rankings. Oh, that's a good one, too. Yeah, let's do let's do vacuum cleaners versus that weird hair dryer versus face masks. Which weird hair dryer? Yeah. Oh, God, there's more than one. OK, I like it. We're going to have to call in like$1.5 million worth of Dyson gear and then we'll do this. It's going to be awesome. All right. Well, until then, we need to take a break.

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52:02All right, we're back. Allison Johnson's still here. Hi, Allison. Hello, still. We're going to do a question from the VergeCast hotline. As always, you can call 866-VERGE-11. You can email vergecast at theverge.com. You can find Allison at the beach and yell your questions at her as she's dunking her phone into things. We love hearing all of your questions, and we're going to do lots more with them in the next several weeks. We're talking about some fun stuff. So keep it locked. For now, Allison, we have a question about my favorite thing, the light phone. Here it is. Hi, this is Lucas. I'm on my way to school right now, campus.

52:39I'm a student at Oregon State, and I've been living with my light phone since about May or so, and I love it. it's absolutely fantastic. It's been my primary phone since then. And every time I grab it out, lots of students end up asking about it. And it seems I'm not the only one who has switched to like a dumber phone. I'm curious if more people, not just students, are switching finally. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I bring this to you, Allison, because this is a thing I've been grappling with a lot is I think the stories you hear about people like wanting to get away from their phones and wanting to reset their relationship with their phones and understanding the ways that their phones are sort of problematic influences in a lot of their lives.

53:24You and I have been hearing those stories for forever. And I think my reaction to them for the longest time has been like, OK, that is like a statistically insignificant but interesting story, right? That like what actually turns out to be the case is everybody pretty much just really likes their phones. But it's somewhere in 2025. It has felt to me like the tide is turning and there is not necessarily the light phone specifically, but this idea of wanting less phone. And I mean that in the broadest way possible seems to be real. And I want to know if that is how it feels to you or if not. I do think it's real.

54:03And I hear it more, I guess, anecdotally from friends who are like, I don't know, I've been thinking about just going with a minimalist phone and getting a compact camera and calling it a day. and I always just hesitate a little bit. I'm like, well, I'm going to be the bummer here, but like you probably, it's tougher than it seems. And it sounds like Lucas is loving it and is having a great time with it. And that's incredible for him. I have just struggled every time I've tried one of these sort of minimalist phones or it's a flip phone and you're kind of like, it's a throwback. And my kind of go-to recommendations are, you know, maybe a minimalist phone is for you.

54:57Here are some things to try before you throw everything away. Start your life over again without apps. Casey Johnston actually has a really good guide to dumbing down your smartphone. So kind of you basically do almost like a hard reset and you get rid of your apps and you clean it up and you make it just less enticing. I think there's a, you know, a lot of people could do that and find themselves very happy with it. And the other recommendation I go to is maybe a cellular smartwatch, which was the little experiment I ran recently. And I found there are a lot of cases when I could leave my phone at home, just go be out in the world, still have the ability to text and make a call if I needed, pay for stuff with my tap to pay.

55:57that is well within you know you don't have to go buy a whole new phone you don't have to get into a whole new system you can get the smartwatch that exists for your phone and and try that but those are my those are my big two things that I think a lot of people would be happy with I agree I've started recommending people buy the cellular smartwatch which was not a thing that I felt before it was normally like it's there will be times where it's really useful but unless you're a person who goes on like really long runs and needs that kind of thing i was always like just get the wi-fi it'll be fine uh but i do think now the opportunity to take that with you and have this sort of if somebody needs me they can get me peace of mind but still be mostly disconnected is actually really powerful um i wonder as you're talking to you know the companies that make phones or even the carriers or any of the folks.

56:52Do you have any sense that they're starting to reckon with some of these changes? Like, are the folks building phones, thinking about how do we help the people who are trying to reset the way that they're using their phones? I think they do. And there's a real tension, you know. I don't know how far we can hope that they will go or expect them to go because they're kind of in the business of keeping us on our phones, you know. And maybe that's more down to the app makers than the people who make the hardware. But I mean, there are really good tools on your phone for, you know, monitoring your screen time.

57:32I don't find that super useful, honestly, but focus modes. And I kind of find it funny that Apple's latest idea about how to rein in your notifications is to just like invent a new focus mode that filters most of the noise out. So the tools exist. And I think there is an understanding that people want this and we want help bringing some balance into how we use our phones. So poke at those things, I think, if you're kind of feeling this. But I don't know if we can hope that the phone makers are going to rescue us from our addictions. Yeah, I tend to agree. And I think the thing that I've always wondered about these companies is, A, they obviously have tons of incentive to keep you on your phone.

58:24But I've always wondered, like, are they going to get to the point where the narrative against phones becomes so huge that they have to make some of these changes or else they risk losing people? I don't think we're there yet I mean I know for sure we're not there yet so we're definitely not at the point of like Apple and Google and Samsung need to be worried about people abandoning their phones in droves I don't think that's coming but I do think the sort of human awareness that like my relationship with my phone is not what I want it to be and I'm not really in charge of it I think that is something people have come around to yeah more all the time yeah I think so and there it It feels like the big, you know, the Apples, the Googles and Samsung are very gently kind of prodding us like, hey, here's a focus mode or maybe set up a bedtime routine if you want.

59:16You know, don't worry. No worries if not. So I don't know. Maybe they will get a little more robust, you know, as people ask for these things more. I hope so. Yeah. Agreed. I did, by the way, reach out to Kai Tang, who's one of the co-founders of the Light Phone, to ask about this specific question. And he told me that the Light Phone is sold out of all of its inventory and that the gap between what they sell and how quickly they can build them means right now that the wait time for a Light Phone 3 is two months and actually getting worse, which is, he described, a problem but a good problem to have.

59:56So I think, again, I don't think the light folks are producing phones in the quantities of, you know, the Apples and Samsungs of the world. But this thing, they've been at this for like a decade. And I think that they have seen the sort of movement towards it really build. And I think I'm starting to talk to more and more startups who are building gadgets about this idea. And there's real energy in what else is there for us to find out there. And I think everybody thinks we just haven't figured out the mainstream answer, which makes me worried that there isn't one. but at least it's fun to see people continue to to poke at this and i think for me personally i stole a bunch of casey's idea casey was on the verge cast a while ago explaining some of this stuff and i deleted a bunch of my apps i made my phone background black and i offloaded all of my fun apps onto a different device i have this i have this last year's pixel fold um which i need to return to google at some point but i keep around for testing reason um i'm just lazy to ship things leave me alone uh and this is now my fun phone this is where a tiktok is this is where instagram is this is where all the things that i want to just screw around on a screen with live and this phone is now mostly for like talking to my family and attempting not to look at very often and that has been awesome i obviously most people should not buy two phones that's insane but if you have two phones lying around i highly recommend it yeah i uh my job is to use my phone as much as possible so i'm pretty jealous right now that's the other way get a job that requires you to have tons of screen time and then guilt is gone yeah problem solved yeah i'm just i'm i open up tiktok and i'm like another day at work another day in the the content minds yeah this is what we do here we do this for you people Allison looks at her phone all day for you subscribe to the Verge so she can do it even more please my family is starving alright Allison thank you as always I'll see you later thank you alright that's it for the Verge cast thank you to V and Allison for playing my silly game with me thank you to Travis for going through the true rigors of vibe coding this insanity for us and thank you as always for watching and listening If you have questions about any of it, if you think we got the rankings wrong, if you too want to make a forceful argument for the Pixel Watch, get at us.

1:02:22Vergecastattheverge.com is the email. 866-VERGE-11 is the hotline. If you think the Pixel tablet should have been higher, if I'm being honest, I don't really want to hear it. Send that to Allison. Leave us out of it. But anything else, I'm very curious what you think of the rankings and even still who you would like to see us rank next. This is a fun game. I had a good time. We're going to do this again. What company do you want to see us rank next? Also, last housekeeping thing. Thank you to everybody who has been watching and listening to and sending us feedback on the version history episodes so far.

1:02:52We've done two. If you haven't caught up, we did hoverboards. We did BBM. Both have been very fun and very chaotic. We have six more already lined up for you to do and are already starting to make the next batch of them too. But I want to hear everything about what you're thinking. What should we be making episodes about? What should the version history questions be? I already have some ideas about how we're going to change those, but want to hear all of your feedback, all of your thoughts. Again, VergeCast at TheVerge.com, 866-VERGE-11. I'd love to hear from you. Until then, The Verge Cast is a Verge production and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

1:03:20The show is produced by Eric Gomez, Brandon Kiefer, and Travis Larchuk. We will be back on Friday with Nilay Patel, presumably to talk about Brendan Carr, but all of the other things going on this week, because as ever, there is a lot going on this week. The gadgets keep coming, the AI people keep spending money, and we'll be here. Until then, rock and roll.