The 2024 Streaming Draft (live from SXSW)

23:45All right, Crunchyroll. Go 90 scale. Crunchyroll. Ooh, that one's harder because they just are like, they're killing off a lot of stuff over there, right? Every time Zaslav notices he owns a company, he's like. No, Crunchyroll is Sony. That's the anime one. Is it owned by Sony? Sony. Sony? And Sony merged it with a company. This is a real name of a company. Funimation. Oh yeah, Funimation's from my hometown. Super cool. Can you imagine the meeting where they had to decide whether to keep Crunchyroll or Funimation? It's very good. So yeah, Sony owns both of them. They merged them together. They got rid of the digital purchases.

24:18That was a big outroar, one of those words. So Crunchyroll, but they're just on Macs then. They just have a license. Yeah, they're doing the distribution thing. Okay. Well, that changes it a little on the Go90 scale, right? If it doesn't have the Spectre. Well, it depends on how much you think touching HBO Max immediately brings you closer to death. Like, if you acknowledge HBO Max, like, are you closer to death? That's true. That's true. So 10 points because it was on HBO Max. So it's been, like, acknowledged by that. 10 points because it's owned by Sony. And Sony also often forgets it owns things.

24:51And then 10 points for the weebs. I'm a weeb. I'm sorry. I hope that's not a funny point. So you're counting them to 40. No, I'm at 30. That's just 30. All right. Okay. So it's a 30. So still less likely to die than Netflix Yeah exactly Anime fans are hardcore Yeah they are hardcore We just had the president of Crunchyroll And he was like we're ready to go He was very excited about anime That thing started for just like People who wanted to pirate anime From overseas And then they were like what if we just make ourselves legit What if we sold it to them instead And they did and it's like cool that's awesome I support you Crunchyroll Alright I'd love it All right, Nila, you're up.

25:31And now I'm looking at my list here. All right, I'm going to fill out 4K last. I feel very confident that I can fill out 4K last and get ahead. So I'm going to go with Wildcard. Okay. And I am picking HBO Max, my friends. First of all, it's just called Max. Well, if you want to pick HBO Max, that's fine. I'm actually good with that. I take it back. You can pick HBO Max. I refuse to call the streaming service by the name of my daughter. We're going full Warner Brothers owned and affiliated HBO Max. Okay. Yeah, the whole name. By the way, David and I, do you have your tote bags? When you come to South by Southwest, you register and they give you a tote bag.

26:06The tote bags are sponsored by Paramount Plus and by HBO Max. Yeah. So you get to pick one of the other. Everybody has to pick one. Who picked the Paramount Plus one in this room? I think you know who on stage. Five people. Who picked the HBO Max one? That's everybody. Oh, people holding them up. So David and I got our tote bags. Like 90 % for Max. So we asked all of the people giving out the tote bags. And they all try to be really diplomatic. They're like, it's about half and half. And then one woman, this is a real thing. This is reporting. You cannot cancel me for this. This is a quote. I'm a little worried about this quote.

26:40I was there for this. This is a true thing that was said to us. And then I just backed away from this situation. One of them said to us, the ladies are taking the Paramount one because the logo is prettier. See, I didn't say that. I didn't make that up. Someone else said that to me. I'm just reporting to you what was said. And I guarantee you this was said to us just to even out the idea that everyone was taking the HBO Max bag. Because the first person was like, oh, yeah, it's the Max ones. And then was like, well, no, I mean, it's fine. They're both great. It's like 50-50. Don't even worry about it.

27:12And then there was somebody two seats down who was like, what if I make some shit up about the logo being right here? That was like very much how this was going. Anyway, I took the HBO Max bag to give it to my daughter, Max, and then promptly forgot it. So that's fine. She'll be fine. She knows. I hope so. HBO Max, by the way, also at an 80 on the Go90 scale of Doom streaming services. How do you measure that? How do you get those points? Well, I don't think you have to add them up. That 80 is a real vibe. Yeah. That's just the looming presence of David Zaslav in his decision making. He just looks over and he's like, what's that?

27:46Chill it. HBO Max, as you know, a product of a doomed merger with AT &T, in which AT &T convinced a federal judge that this was, quote, a vision deal, and that the vision was they would put short versions of Game of Thrones on Android phones. Oh, yeah. That would have ruled. And our nation's justice system looked at this and was like, sick. Yeah, because it would have been cool. It's like a real thing that happened. Do you ever say a sentence out loud and be like, that can't possibly be true? Like, there's no way that thing I just said is real. It super happened. They're like, the vision is we're going to preload stuff on mid-range Android phones and it's going to be Game of Thrones clips.

28:24That didn't pan out, as many of you may have noticed. It all fall apart. They've got an enormous amount of debt. And what they have is a lot of AT &T customers who can't quit HBO Max. I'm one of these people. I'm grandfathered into an HBO Max plan. And so I cannot put this in the 4K category because my AT &T account no longer knows about HBO Max. and I can't leave whatever version of the service I'm currently subscribed to, which no longer has 4K. That sounds right. These are some of the biggest, most sophisticated companies in our country. And our database forgot about you. But they'll keep charging you.

29:04Don't worry about that. They will keep charging you. They're definitely going to keep charging me. So I believe, yeah, the wild card. Would the 4K have even been good though? Coming from Max? Excuse me, HBO Max? No, no, no, no, definitely not. It would have been bad. I watched, what's the one where they fight? Let them fight? Godzilla. Godzilla. That's how my brain works. I'd watch that in their version of Atmos in Vision. Yeah. And it was like, what if we do this at two bits per second? Yeah. It was just like a series of shapes and colors and noises, you know? Beautiful. Like a baby toy was just like happening.

29:39And then the one guy was like, let them fight. It was good. That's how you want to experience Godzilla. Love that. Yeah. All right. I can't believe no one has picked YouTube yet. I feel obligated to pick YouTube. which I'm, wait, YouTube TV or YouTube premium? Well, so I'm going to put YouTube in cheap. So neither. Oh, I'm getting full. I'm getting YouTube with ads. All the ads. Like every single ad you can imagine. That is the worst choice on this list. I'm going to watch. YouTube with ads is the worst choice on this list. No, I disagree. We'll see. That's a good choice. That's, that's how I watch YouTube now.

30:06I'm logged in. So I get recommendations. All right. But I have to watch all the ads. I get mad at people who have ads now on YouTube. That's a thing that has happened recently. But I'll get over it. I think YouTube premium is the best deal in streaming. Yes, I agree with that. But I don't get to have it. You're going ads. I'm going YouTube. You're just going straight American cheese. Other cheeses are available, but just slices in the mouth. Just give it to me. Okay, so that's the end of round three. YouTube is a zero on the Go90 scale. Yeah, it's fine. I feel very good about that. It's the only part of Google that feels like it knows what it's doing.

30:39It might be the only thing left on the internet at the end of all of this. It's just YouTube and The Verge, and that'll be it. It'll be great. Two websites, very different ideas.

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32:08Okay, so we are at the end of round three. We're halfway through the draft. Alex so far has Peacock, Netflix, and Crunchyroll. Yeah. Neelai has TikTok, the Disney Bundle, and Max. I have YouTube, Apple TV, and Prime Video. I think it's very clear who is currently in third place, but we'll leave that alone for now. I'm in first. Wow. Just wait. Yeah, we're doing fine. I'm crazy. Okay, so for round four, I get to go again, which I am not prepared for. What are your leftovers? Haven't you been cheating this whole time? No. Is this just like you hustling us? You're like, I don't know how to play pool.

32:43He's just moving everything around. He's giving himself Netflix, giving himself Netflix. I did briefly give Neelai two of my picks, so that was confusing. You're doing great. So I have 4K, niche, and wildcard left. Okay. And I think I can't do any of the 4K ones I know of anymore, so that's bad. Does 2B count as niche? What do we think? No. No. 2B is like what happens when you turn on. I got a yes from the audience. That's just, you don't know 2B. Tubi is like mainstream free Yeah Ad supported Alex loves these things Yeah it's just free Ad supported television It's got all of the stuff You just made that sound Very boring and very niche That's kind of my point No no because it's got Well no way I can describe it As going to support I'm just saying like If you Damn it No you're right If you're one of these boomers And you get off TikTok You're on your eight hours Of TikTok in the day Yeah And you go turn on your The cheapest TV that you bought At Best Buy You're watching Tubi Like it's just happening to you That is probably true.

33:41I don't mean that to denigrate the TikTok-riddled boomers that populate the middle of the country. I am one of them. I mean to say that that is a thing that happens on TVs by default, and that makes it not mainstream. Fair enough. All right. Well, then I won't take that. I will take Criterion. Yeah, that's much more appropriate. Yeah, that feels right. Criterion is like, I don't know, it's like in the 20s on the scale, I would say. Like I want it to continue to exist, and so do lots of people. I think Criterion wants it to continue to exist. But like maybe all of Criterion will not exist forever.

34:13No, it feels pretty sustainable. Yeah. There was a really great story recently about just kind of how sustainable it is and its whole business. But isn't the sustainability like James Cameron wants it to exist? Yes. Yeah. Therefore it will exist. Yeah. That's fair. It's like the letterboxd app where like it'll be fine because Martin Scorsese uses it. So like push comes to shove, it's going to be all right. All right. So I'm taking Criterion. That's my pick. Neel, you're up. You have three categories remaining. you have 4k live and yeah those are your three youtube tv a sunday ticket i don't think you understand that i'm just recapitulating my draft that already won this thing and you two nerds are like what do we do with discovery plus like i'm just like straight america but i pick huh you didn't win well yeah you objectively in fact i won so i'm just coming in again i'm just saying alex i like to think that we have a good relationship in in this situation i would like to just directly gaslight you and say that I won.

35:10All right. What are you going to do? No, you chose YouTube. YouTube TV Sunday ticket is a straight zero. Yeah. Like you can't, you're fighting the service that delivers Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey to millions of Americans every week. It's fine. It is the fastest growing cable service in America. It has the most channel, it has the most stuff because it's a cable service. And it has the full backing of our nation's military slash NFL. I mean, it bought a decade of football, which means it bought a decade of existing. Yeah. Yeah. So for 10 years, it's a zero. 11 years. Or until they break up.

35:41But from the reports I've read, it suggests that he's in Singapore right now. So I think things are in that, you know, they both discuss taking the next step. What, do you think I'm not following this? Am I crazy? I run a cultural publication. I get it. All right. So that's yours. And I want you to know that I'm giving you YouTube TV because it is a separate product from YouTube. Yes. But if you now try to just be like YouTube TV, but not Sunday ticket, no. Yeah. Neelai, no. I don't know what you're arguing with or who you're arguing with, but you thought... I have played these games with you before.

36:13Yes, and I'm now directly gaslighting you. There we go. Okay. Alex, you're up. You get two now. Okay. I get to go two in a row again? You get two picks. Wow. What's left for me? How do you not know how this works? I don't know. I didn't... Your three left are awards, live, and wildcard. Okay. I'm saving awards for last. Okay. I've got a good one for that one. I know you're very excited about this. So I've got live. Live and wildcard. And wildcard. Ooh, that's tricky. So live, I'm going to go channels again. Okay. It worked last time. Explain to the people what channels. Okay. So channels is an app.

36:44It's like a DVR app. You can plug it into your cable. If you still subscribe to cable, you can plug it into an antenna and then you just DVR everything. It also gets all the fast channels. It gets all the fast channels. so you can go and just have your Pluto and have your Tubi and then have your ABC and all of your other things. I think it was you that described it to me as an RSS reader for TV, which I found very compelling. That's kind of true. It's like the nerdiest possible thing, but it's awesome. And it's sick. The guy's very actively developing it. It's got a really pretty UI. I just dig the hell out of it.

37:16I use it a lot. Okay. So I'm going to go with that for my live because it gives me all of my lives. And then my wild card. I think this one's really obvious. it's going to be Paramount because it's an 89 on the 90 scale. Yeah, the most 89. Channels is like a zero because I don't think he's... You can't kill RSS. Yeah, you can't kill RSS. But Paramount Plus is definitely like an 89. It's as close as you can get until they sell it in a couple of weeks or whatever. But yeah, I think it's a good wild card. It's a fun... I enjoy the Cowboys and I enjoy the live stuff and I enjoy the Star Trek. So it gets everything for me.

38:01And that wasn't enough to keep a streaming service alive. No. Cowboys and Star Trek. You would think it would have been in 1966. And unfortunately, me and the boomers are the only ones that still watch it. But, you know, it'll get merged with Peacock or something, so I'll have it all together again. There's a really good article about the demise of Paramount Plus that just talks about the sheer Hubris, which this product was launched. It's beautiful. Where they were like, well, we don't have a lot of stuff, but we've got CBS, we've got Star Trek, and we have Taylor Sheridan. And everyone was like, that's not enough stuff.

38:34Like, do you know how much stuff Netflix has? They're like, no, no, no. CBS. It turned out that they grew up. I mean, it worked for them for like, what, 30 years as a broadcast network? CBS was the most watched broadcast network. So they're like, yeah. And you're one of only three things that exists to watch. Yeah. Yeah. When they had like a monopoly, kind of like a pseudo-monopoly, They crushed it and then more competition came and they're in 89 on 89. Yeah, it gets tougher when you're on channel 2. One thing single-handedly keeping CBS live, this is a true story. Alex is addicted to 60 minutes.

39:05Yes. She walks into our newsroom at least twice a week and is like, I saw this thing in 60 minutes. And all of us have to be like, well, definitionally, Alex, that means it happened eight months ago. It's true. I love it. It's my favorite show. It just gives you a really good insight into what CBS wants boomers to think about. Yeah. And I love that. I want to know that too. Yeah. It's a good time. All right. Leslie Stahl. I mean, oh my God. I could talk about her for hours, but we don't have that much time to go. We don't. Yeah. When I think about South by Southwest, I think about Leslie Stahl.

39:39Yeah. Leslie Stahl fangirling. We really, yeah, exactly. David. You're up next. Oh, it's me. Crap. All right. I've got two left, right? Yes. 4K and niche. Well, this next one can go into either one. I'm picking my new favorite streaming service. Bravia Core. The streaming service only available on select Sony television. Neil, I just instantly lost the drag. Congratulations. It has four movies on it, and they all look amazing. It streams at 80 megabits per second out of control. Sony owns no movies. It owns no IP. It's just like old Spider-Man movies. You have to set the TV to allow it to stream at this level of bandwidth.

40:18Do you have to call your cable company? You're like, listen, it's about to get weird. Two hours. This is a true fact. Sony is such a big disconnected company. They make the TVs. Only the TVs support the streaming service. They did not put an Ethernet port on the TVs that is fast enough to support the streaming service. So you either have to use Wi-Fi or you have to buy a USB Ethernet adapter. So I did it. It's great. I love it. I've never had more fun in my life not watching movies and instead configuring the settings of my TV. It's very good. So where is it on the Go90s? It's like a zero, right?

40:52Oh, Sony loves this thing. Yeah, they're never getting rid of it. Yeah, if you've ever wanted to watch Ghostbusters 2 in the most pristine quality of your entire life. Like, you can see every four. I did it so, I watched the shit out of Ghostbusters 2. And I showed it to other people. And they were like, why are we watching Ghostbusters 2? Like 4K IMAX right now. You don't have to pick this. You know that, right? No one from Sony is back there pointing anything at you. There's a lot. In the free, the glorious state of Texas, I'm exercising my free market rights as an American to pick BraviaCore, the best streaming service that is the weirdest to use, that has a credit system that makes no sense.

41:33Sometimes it just forgets that it gave you... It's all very bad, but it's all glorious. I want every one of these services to offer me like stream a blu-ray to me and that's that's what david's just looking he's like you should stop talking it's good i just always thought it was a bit when you would come in and be like i watched a movie on braviacore and now i'm like oh no nila loves braviacore i do like you have like a little monitor to show it so it always shows you what the bitrate is do you think i don't have the euro app on my phone open showing me how fast the internet speed is going on the tv while while i watch something like zero dark 30 again you actually don't watch zero dark 30 it's just up there while you watch your Eero app.

42:13It's very good. And then, I've told this story before. If you watch Zero Dark Thirty and then you have a small child who is not compliant about eating, you start accidentally, like, saying torture words to your small child. It's like, Zero Dark Thirty is, like, very intense. And then the next day I was like, your behavior determines how you're treated. She's like, I'm not eating the apples. Don't do that. Just, like, don't do that to your child. All right. Now it's me. You've got one left? I have two left. But I get to do them both right now. Oh, wow. Which feels like a lot of pressure. So I'm going to pick 2B for 4K because I just now, this second, confirmed that there is at least one 4K thing on 2B and it's a fireplace video.

42:50It's like a Yule log situation. But it counts. It's 4K and it's on 2B so I get to have it. So that's going in 4K. Okay. Pretty psyched about it. I should have picked 2B for a different one. I did this draft poorly. Yeah. Here at the end we're just picking stuff. But we're coming around. It could have been wrong. It'll be fine. I just realized all of my wild cards were gone two rounds ago, so it's been, like, kind of messing with me for a while. But it's okay. So I'm picking Tubi, which I actually think is, like, 30 somewhere in that range on the scale. It's, like, doing really well. It's, like, sneakily very popular.

43:25Also, Fox has no other streaming anything to do, so they just give everything to Tubi. But also, Tubi's whole thing was it's free and there's ads, and that's where everybody else is going. Yep. So that could be bad. Yeah. And so now they're like, what if we had to you? Yeah. They're like, now they're like, well, we have to get some good content. How do we do that? It's like, oh no, welcome to everyone else's hell from the last. Well, they just go to like Zaslav and they're like, Hey, is there any show you want to cancel? And can we just like, can we just like have it? He's like, no tax cuts. Absolutely not.

43:58I got to put it in the vault. Can't have it. Yeah. That was my Zaslav. That was good. I'm sorry. That was perfect. You know, it was great because I actually don't know what David Zasloff sounds like. That, exactly. It's like that. She nailed it. Yeah. She was working on it. Put it in the vault. Yeah. What's the other one? I think for my wild card, I think I'm taking Instagram reels. Which feels insane as I say it out loud. I just want to, you can't. You know, he can't. If you choose TikTok, he can absolutely choose the TikTok clone. TikTok doesn't have pictures. Instagram famous. Hey, TikTok has slideshows now.

44:33The slideshow are effectively a form of video. Videos are just pictures all in a row.

44:40When does the slideshow become a video? Let's talk about this. If I go through my PowerPoint really fast, is that a video? You swipe a TikTok carousel at 24 frames per second? It's called persistence of vision, Pierce. Aren't you a tech journalist? No, I'm giving it to me. I'm typing it in here. By the way, taking Tubi and Instagram Reels back to back is just the saddest, man. It feels great. Those are the last two cars in the rental lot. Do you know how much content I have now? All the good stuff. Do you know how much repurposed garbage from other people's platforms? Yeah, dude, he's getting TikTok.

45:16I literally just got TikTok like five rounds after you. Which is perfect. You're going to see everything, and then two weeks later, I'm going to see it. That's great. I'm super happy for you. With the same UI, too. Yeah. I'm psyched about it. I think this is great. But I also, I really feel like we started with like things that have won Oscars and we're all the way down at things that unironically call themselves content. And that's, this is the spectrum that I have created. I'm very proud of it.

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46:59All right, who's next? Nilay. Crap, I wasn't prepared. Your last one is niche. This is all you have left. David just updated the spreadsheet with the word Sony Bravia Core, and somehow Google Docs transmitted his disdain. The last category I have left is niche, correct? which is tough here.

47:23I have to think of a streaming service. Okay, I know. I know what I'm going to do. I feel weird about it. I'm going to say it. It's only because my father-in-law is at my house, and he has been watching this streaming service nonstop since he arrived. Motor Trend TV. Tell us about Motor Trend TV. A Motor Trend TV is an app that plays Motor Trend content at you. If you are interested in older cars being turned into nicer cars, do I have an app for you, my friends? Have you ever thought about watching a show where some dudes go to a car auction? That's it? That's the whole... Do they bid or do they just go?

48:04Well, they talk about whether they would bid, is it worth it? It's very much like PBS, but with cars. you know I also find it captivating I'm a car nerd I just can't the duration which is currently being displayed in my home is really quite something and so just for the family I'm doing this niche for the family. And this is like a thing you can turn on and it just keeps happening at you. Yeah it is like a full grid guide of Motor Trend content. Fair enough. Yeah. It is niche. Yeah it's the most niche. I would say that is the most niche. I'm pretty certain my father-in-law is keeping this service afloat.

48:36Yeah it's just him. Is this Motor Trend one word or two words? one word but two words like TV is a different word Motor Trend TV that's not what I thought you were going to say what do you think I was going to say something other than that so many choices I was really excited to find out I was really thinking about what's at the bottom of my Apple TV grid and then oh that's interesting it's a wasteland of gone 90s mine is like BBC America and like a PBS app that won't let me log in anymore because I canceled my account when I moved and they were like, no, you hate PBS in America. You can't get in anymore.

49:17Yeah, they get really mad when you move. Very upset. PBS is just so upset. NPR is mad at me now. It's a whole thing. All right, Alex, you're up last. All right, last, awards. I'm going to go MUBI. Which has won an Oscar. Yeah. Can you say the name of the thing again? MUBI. M-U-B-I. M-U-B-I, okay. It's real, it's real. And that's not Tubi. no it's movie got it okay it's real i i swear it's real i saw it when i was walking in they had some signs outside and i went like you like wrote it down like in case i need to think of a fifth streaming service i forgot about movie and then you check to make sure they won an oscar yeah because because movie is all independent films from the last few decades that's good what oscar did it win a lot no no no no no no no no this is not a movie that won an oscar is available on this service.

50:09Yeah. That's nothing. This is a movie original. He chose Disney Plus as his award. Because they pay for the movie. An Oscar. Like Disney won the Oscar. A documentary Oscar thanks to Questlove, Alex Kranz. And then I made a whole Disney Plus original joke. Where have you been, Alex? Wait, wait. Where have you been this? You're saying that I can't just choose, like... No, that's all of them. So I couldn't have... It has a movie available that has won an Oscar is TikTok in one minute increments. Yeah, exactly. That's all of those. Exactly. I was always all ready for it. So you were just going to pick one.

50:45It has a movie available that has won an Oscar is Reddit. A hundred percent. All right. This was the hardest category because of this rule. For this exact reason? Because if not for the rule, it would be the easiest category. Right. It is the easiest category. It's all of them. All right. Twitter has movies on it that have won. I know. By the way, he says it's a video first platform. Does Twitter count? You could pick Twitter. If Tucker Carlson has won an Oscar while on X, he can have it. Yeah, sure. So it has to have been a streaming service very specifically. Yes. The company that hosts it has to have made it and it has to have won an Oscar.

51:25Then I'll choose Hulu. She can do that because she's not in the bundle. That is true. Okay. Bam. That's fair. But Mubi's better. No. You heard about movie just now. I know, and it looks really sick. I'm going to go subscribe. It's got 4K. There you go. It's got a lot of old movies. Many of which have won Oscars. Yeah, it's got award-winning content on it. Yeah, sure. It produces and theatrically distributes films by emerging and established filmmakers, unlike everything else that does that exact same thing. I feel like the best-case scenario for buying display advertising at South by Southwest is people on a stage Googling what your company is in front of an audience.

52:01I legitimately was like 40 % sure. Zero people have signed up, but we have definitely Googled it now. Alex Kranz, where is Mubi on the Go90s scale? This is the worst case scenario. Wait, no, it's Hulu now, right? Well, I'd like you to do both. Okay, you want me to do both? Okay, Mubi is, it feels like it's going to be pretty low on the Go90s scale. It feels like a 20. Because a lot of you, it was just like... You put a Mubi in... You're 2028. Netflix is gone. Yeah. but movie movie versus because like nobody knows about movie and movie's just like yeah they can't kill it if you can't find it yeah it's just it's just like it's just thriving over there in a corner and periodically you're like you know what I'll turn on movie and Netflix though everybody's gonna like flip on it yeah Netflix is like public company like Reed's gotta get out there and explain his content and movie is just like I don't know we just licensed Oscar winning independent film yeah they could do whatever alright I buy it I buy it yeah Hulu on the other hand I chose a lot of 89s on this one, huh?

53:03Because that's definitely like an 89 It doesn't have a lot of time left in this world Hulu might be the most 89 More than Paramount Plus No, yeah, no way Hulu is already actively dying The person who owns Hulu has said he's killed Trying to rank different 89s Is actually why you have other numbers? I didn't give anything an 89 This is a huge problem What is the most 89? is like a question that has long been solved in the existence of other viewers. Paramount Plus is now in 87. Okay. And then we'll put Hulu at 89. Okay, there. And then TikTok is at 89. TikTok is 89. Like, that's straight up. 88.

53:40You think it's 88? Which do you think is more likely to not be here at the end of the year? Paramount Plus? Or TikTok might not be here at the end of the week. That's fair. Are you? I mean, it probably will. The teens are strong. The teens are strong. People love their TikTok. They do. and they will VPN into China immediately. The teens are like, get me on the other side of that firewall. Yeah, a lot of people are learning about VPNs. So I think it'll persist. I'm putting it at 88. All right. Again, what is the most 89 is a baffling question. I think TikTok is right now, at this moment, who knows what's going to happen.

54:14I think TikTok is 89. I think Paramount Plus is an 88. I think Hulu is an 87. Okay. Hulu is famously unkillable. Like many, many, many people have tried to kill Hulu and they can't do it. I would love if Bob was just like, couldn't do it. Just let it persist. That's his next press conference. Somehow someone still owns part of it. I've been trying to kill this thing. He's like, Hulu keeps going. We're going to enjoy it. But I think they want to merge it into Disney. I think they want that to be the brand. Like all this stuff. Yeah. It's gone. It's my feeling. Yeah. Hulu is not going to be around for very long.

54:45We're going to be so wrong. It's going to be Hulu and movie. I'm so excited to do this next year. And Netflix has just gone out of business. And Alex is like, I told you. I'm going to be so vindicated. Paramount Plus is still around, Hulu's still around, and Netflix is gone. Please watch my show on Netflix before.

55:04You can watch it in a one-minute section on Instagram Reels. Please watch the future of in one-minute increments on Instagram Reels. That's going to go great for us. It's perfect. All right, that is the end of the draft. Would you like to read that? Yes, please. We've done it. Okay, Alex Kranzman first. Yes. And you picked Peacock, Mubi, slash Hulu. I'm actually going to give you both. I just feel like you should have both. Thank you. Netflix, channels, Crunchyroll, and Paramount+. I'm going to have a great time watching all of my content. I think there's a legitimate... There was just a dismissive hiss laugh from over there.

55:37I just want to be very clear. I think there's legitimately a chance only two of yours still exist by the time we do this next. Neil, I picked TikTok, the Disney bundle. Nailed it. Sony Bravia Core, which is a real, real tank. YouTube TV with Sunday Ticket. Motor Trend TV. Yeah. And Max. I just want to point out, you were all over the place today. This is breadth. This is depth. This is Oscar winning. Motor Trend TV. At this point, if they don't win an Oscar, what are you doing? Everyone else has. Movie. Yeah. I would say the range here is unparalleled. The quality is unparalleled. The 4K is available if you can get off your AT &T plan.

56:15There's no fight in it. Is Motor Trend TV in 4K? No. No. No, it's not. 360p, David. That is being shot on a GoPro from 1994. That's the situation. I love it. David, what is YouTube? I picked YouTube with ads. Yeah. All the ads. Apple TV, Tubi, Prime Video, Criterion Collection, and Instagram Reels. Honestly, that's... Which I'm still having a lot of feelings. I think you won, actually. Thinking about it, I'm like, no. I'm sorry, you picked YouTube with ads and Instagram Reels? You picked Bravia Core and Mobile Tour and TV? Yeah, yeah, like... 80 megabits per second. You can't all have winners, man.

56:55Why do you even have a gigabit interconnection? What was the new movie that just came to Bravia Core that you're all excited about? Anyone but you. A movie which does not contain any sequences of action fast enough to require 80 megabits per second. Like, that movie can be compressed into a series of still frames. Glenn Howell taking your shirt off looking great. Here's Glenn Powell. Here's Glenn Powell next to another jacked guy. Like, just one frame at a time. It's barely... It's just a series of pictures going by very quickly. That you could watch in one-minute increments on TikTok. and probably get the vibe.

57:22And I'm confident that that will be... TikTok's entire content strategy is copyright infringement and also Chinese propaganda. And you can just see. I maintain a list of TikToks that I think should be media studies PhDs. Happy to share. And all of them are just layers upon layers of copyright infringement. Yeah, that's good stuff. All right, that's it. That's the draft. Who won? Who won? David won. You can't just declare yourself a winner. I declare him a winner too. Two out of three. We have an audience. Okay, audience. No, you're right. Okay, who thinks Neelai won the draft? Yeah, that's correct.

57:56One person did raise their hand. That guy runs Bravia Court. That was really nice of you, yeah. That's Steve Sony right there. Alex Kranz. Yeah, look at that. Crunchyroll fans out there. And who thinks I won the draft? With YouTube with ads? Yeah. Yes. I'm one of the people. You go to the bathroom during the ads. We've got to end this. That's it. That's the first test, everybody. Thank you all for coming here at South by Southwest. To all the people in the cars that are here. Thank you for listening to our show. Send us your own draft orders. We'd love to hear from you. Dave and I have received a number of emails from people showing us photos of decorative plates in their homes.

58:37Yes. After an offhand mention of a decorative plate. That's very confusing. But continue to send us your parents' silverware. Yes, please. That's very good. And we'll be back next week. Yeah. Every week for the rest of our lives, we will be talking about these issues. Yes. That's for Shasta Rock and Roll.

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