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24:32Yes, the sensor array.

24:33Victoria Song:It's like the first major upgrade we've seen to that array in, I think, the Series 6. So, you know, six Apple Watches ago was the last time we kind of saw that. It's not new sensors. It's improved versions of the existing ones. Yes. So the electrode that does the EKG sensors that has 32, like what they call them, pedals, but they look like spokes on a wheel. That's an increase of 30 because the current watches only have two. So supposedly that will help with increased accuracy. And also the light emitting optical sensors are much smaller and much more densely packed in the thing. You can see a comparison photo in my hands-on that's up on the site right now.

25:18Victoria Song:and that's supposedly going to stop light leakage. So you're going to get better skin contact with your wrist. And these things do matter. They do matter. Like sometimes we're like, oh, not that exciting, but they do matter in terms of accuracy. And that's one thing I'm going to be really curious and testing to see is the battery life because previously Apple has always limited the sensors to sampling your heart rate once every five minutes. And, you know, the whoops and the aura rings and the Fitbits, they are sampling much, much, much more frequently. And the one reason why the Apple Watch didn't do that in the past was to preserve battery life mainly.

25:54Victoria Song:So the fact that they're going to be doing it once every five seconds, which is a 60 times increase, that's interesting. And we'll see what it enables, the readiness feature, which a bunch of other whoop companies have had for years, that's going to be limited to the Series 12 and the Ultra 4 because it's going to require the new sensor array and the hardware that that enables. So we'll see. We'll see more surprising updates than I expected after a bunch of iterative ones over the last couple of years. But I am very curious to learn more about the AI intelligence audio stuff. That stuff, I was like, oh, oh, no.

26:34On the sensor array, if those improvements work, does that negate the need for a whoop, right? Like, does that just eat their lunch when it comes to that kind of, you know, detailed sensing?

26:49Victoria Song:Maybe. I always say with wearables that it's not accuracy, it's consistency. As long as it's consistently inaccurate by the same amount, you're still getting a very good experience because the main benefit of wearables is measuring your baseline over a long period of time. um so maybe it depends on like what future health um advanced health features are enabled by the more act the bigger accuracy like the big one on my mind is a non-invasive glucose monitoring the much higher stakes with those kinds of features and so when you have the higher stakes the accuracy matters more and we'll see will whoop get killed i think the thing killing whoop right now is their ridiculous subscription right so um i think the other screenless devices are a much bigger danger than an apple watch uh would be to whoop but we'll see based on the comments i've seen so far our readers are not a fan of the audio features of what that might mean for privacy so we'll see that that is the thing that i'm trying to wrap my head around most at the moment so yeah Yes.

27:57We actually have not gotten to the audio stuff yet. And we have a reader question, which is, how do you feel about the Apple Watch being an always-on transcription device? So high level, the Apple Watch now has an optional feature where it can listen to you at all times. And then you can press the dial, the crown in twice to get a 15 second rewind of what you've been hearing. And otherwise it will, I think, basically all day summarize what's been going on in your life. V, are there other devices like this? There are AI devices, but not like fitness devices.

28:36Victoria Song:Not fitness devices, no. So it's very interesting that Apple is kind of cramming that into the little wrist computer. But, you know, I've tested the Bee. I've tried quad note pins. I've tried various AI wearables that are listening to what you do all the time. And one thing I will say is that transcription, a lot of these devices struggle to differentiate your voice between broadcasts. So the Bee thought I was an elementary school teacher at Abbott Elementary. And a lot of the transcripts and recaps were just like, make sure the septa strike doesn't affect your students. And I was like, oh, so I'm kind of curious to see how it'll handle real life environments where you have ambient noise, where, you know, there's multiple people talking.

29:20Victoria Song:How intelligent is the intelligence? We'll find out. I've in my experience, a lot of times it's not that intelligent. I am a little relieved that it's not storing audio clips on the watch. So that's good, I think. But, you know, if you are someone who is interested in those kinds of transcription features, that might not also be good. Because, again, I wore the B. It didn't store the audio. And I read the transcripts and I was like, there is no way anyone in this office was talking about a cow in Poughkeepsie. but also it was recording my office co-workers talking about something in poughkeepsie so you know it's it's a can of worms i don't know how i feel about it you bring up a really fascinating point which is like there's actually two parts to this and one is it's just like it's kind of creepy and and maybe useless to record all this and the other is we don't even know if recorded accurately, right?

30:22Like this is a thing on your wrist all day long. It's not positioned.

30:27Victoria Song:It's not positioned right here, right? So ideally, when you want a most accurate transcript, it's going to be closer to the mouth of the speaker. And if you are someone who gesticulates a lot like I do, you know, sometimes the mic is not going to be anywhere near what you want transcribed. And if you're in a restaurant and it's noisy, like how are we getting these transcripts how are they going to actually work in a real life environment uh we'll see like are you gonna get a transcription of like the odyssey like if you like go to the movies is it gonna be like oh man odysseus has some problems that actually is a problem about how how well do they um transcribe audio i think in the keynote they say that it'll you can like program it for to be at certain times or at certain places and so that it won't necessarily be 24 7 on all the time that might actually be useful because ostensibly you want this for meetings.

31:19Victoria Song:But, you know, it also brings up legal questions. Can you subpoena? I don't know. We have the lawyer here. Can you subpoena your Apple Watch recording transcript if it's always on? Yikes! I believe I heard a probably from Eli off camera. He said, yikes! So, you know, these are the brave, new, scary, AI, wearable world that we're entering. Well, so Apple, I think, made a point of saying this is super secure, super private. They have some new hardware built in to make sure of that. V, thank you so much for joining us on the ground. Neelai, thank you as well. It's fantastic being able to get your impressions hands on.

32:02Those two have got to go. They've got to check out more stuff. And be sure to check out TheVerge.com. We'll have more. I barely have a job. Oh, just V. What are you talking about? You're like, you're still here. Fantastic. I'm just a mascot. I just run around being congratulated for working. Okay. Well, you know what? I've got some more reader questions for you that have been submitted in the chat. Maybe. One of the ones that I wanted to go in on is you saw the inside screen on the iPhone Duo. The under display camera, that is a first for Apple. Did you even notice it? Oh, yeah, it's there. It's there.

32:36It's there. Yeah, they haven't saw it. Yeah. I mean, what it is, there's a layer of screen over it. So when the screen is over it, it's there, but it's screened. You can see it. It's not like you have to go looking for it. It's there. But it is, you know, when you're watching a video or whatever, it's, I don't want to say imperceptible. It's there, but it's not a bother. Dom, the Android world has, I think, taken a couple different approaches to this. Have they gotten better on the Android side? Have they just given up?

33:08Dominic Preston:I think it's still about in that same space. They're there. But you can kind of forget it's there a bit, kind of in the same way people have gotten there with the creases on foldables. You sort of eventually just notice that little weird glitchy spot in the display and your brain starts filtering it out because it's always in the same place. I'm curious, Nia, if you actually got to try it and see what the camera quality is like, because that's been the bigger headache. I think it's just generally the quality of the footage is terrible out of these things. Yeah, you know, it's really interesting.

33:36they refer to the camera on the on the cover display as a center stage camera and the camera on the inside is a facetime camera and i think that tells you everything you need to know about what what these cameras are for so you know it's it's hard to tell on even that size screen uh but it is just very clearly the the outer display front-facing camera is better like you can just tell it's better uh the inner display is there for video conferencing if that's what you want to use it for? And then I think what they're really trying to get you to do is use the rear cameras for selfies. Because everything about that interface is like, why don't you flip this around a little bit?

34:11And then you're obviously getting the best quality. So I think that inner display is very much for Zoom, FaceTime. I don't think they're expecting you to run around actually taking photos or videos with it. You have not only the center stage camera, but you have the rear cameras, which if you've unfolded the phone, you should be using for anything that you'd be taking for this with. It's also worth noting while we're talking about the cameras, there is no Face ID on the front of the iPhone Duo. This is the first Touch ID phone in quite a while, I think since one of the iPhone SE models. Eli, I know they don't let you set up a Touch ID account while you're in there.

34:50Any quick thoughts on how that feels? You know, if it's folded, it's fine because you're just picking up and your thumb is right there. And they mentioned several times, they were very insistent on this, that you can enroll multiple fingers, which is just one of those dystopian phrases we've all gotten used to. You can enroll multiple fingers to your phone. Neat. Super consumer-friendly. The other thing that they were talking about a lot was you can pair it with your watch. And if you've got your watch unlocked, this thing won't lock. So, you know, the speed to unlock the Face ID is there. I obviously didn't get it.

35:24All these phones are totally unlocked. So there was no demo of paying for something or any of the million other things you might want to use Face City for password entry into multiple apps. Like, that's going to be a change. But they were very quick to make sure, you know, just unlocking the phone, just getting to it, your thumb is going to be in that spot when it's folded, which is pretty, I think, pretty familiar to how other iPhones and iPads are. This is also very standard in the foldable world. Obviously, it's a little bit of a change for iPhone users, but it does seem like it's not going to be a make or break situation.

36:01All right. To me, what it will be is literally all the other things Face ID does. Not unlocking the phone. It's password entry. It's authenticating into other apps. It's all that stuff we're just going to have to see. It's hitting it 100 times a day. Yeah. Okay, we've got to go to a break. When we're back, there's a whole lot more from this event that we've got to dive into. Support for the show comes from Ripley. Imagine you just found out your sales team is at risk of missing quota. No need to panic. Just ask Rippling AI. Since it's built on your real-time people and business data, Rippling AI can pull metrics from Rippling and Salesforce into a meeting-ready dashboard showing quota attainment, headcount trajectory, and monthly revenue to quota by region.

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39:16As a new color, as a new processor, the vapor chamber is, I think, three times as big. I think the single most interesting thing is the camera, which they announced the main camera now has what they called a variable aperture lens. Dom, I think you are one of the photography diehards on staff. I'm curious for your thoughts on this. Does this feel like it's going to be a meaningful change for photographers? To me, this sort of feels confusing, but I would love to hear your thoughts first.

39:49Dominic Preston:Yeah, I'm very curious to see how this really pans out in practice. To give context, this has been around on the Android side as a slightly niche flagship feature for a very long time. I think the first Android phone with some level of variable aperture, if I get this right, was the Galaxy S9 in 2018. That only had two different stops that could hit, and so the tech was coming away, but we've seen Samsung do this. We've seen Huawei do this. I think we've seen Xiaomi and Honor do this. So this is not something that Apple's kind of swung in and said, we've invented the variable aperture on a phone camera.

40:26Dominic Preston:It's another one of the bits like foldables. So the Android guys have been doing this for a long time, figuring it out. I think what's funny about this in terms of what makes me curious is the Android OEMs have not universally said, oh, this does make our cameras better. We're all going to stick with this and this is going to go in all our flagship phones. Mostly they've said this feels like an expensive feature that's a lot of bother that users don't care about that doesn't really transform the photography powers of our cameras. My memory is that Samsung dropped that feature the next year. Somebody should check me on that.

40:58It might have been like shortly thereafter, but it did not last long. So I should probably just break this down for those who are not like deep in the weeds in photography. The standard smartphone cameras, they're just wide open all the time. They're accepting as much light as possible, which is generally what you want on a tiny, tiny sensor that needs a lot of light to get a good image. on a standard camera with a big piece of film or a larger sensor, you can close the aperture to let in less light and focus the light a little bit more. That lets you get more things in focus and a deeper degree of sharpness throughout the image.

41:37It lets you get things further in the distance into focus. I think the question for me is, on a sensor that small, you're letting in less light. at what point is that actually just going to make the image so much worse that it's not worth using

41:55Dominic Preston:yeah i mean in general setting aside variable apertures for a second in general when we've looked at apatron smartphone you've just wanted the biggest one you can and and kind of we've hit a plateau there but mostly for a while you were just looking and it was a big kind of um level of competition in the phone world was who could get the biggest widest aperture they could fit in and you'd see the apertures kind of creeping up in wideness and down in number because it's measured weirdly um and and that was the kind of well the sensors are small the more light we can get the better this will do um going the ability to close the aperture a little like you say it's going to give you some shift in focus it gets you more depth of field you can have more of a natural bokeh effect which is something we see um more and more phone cameras trying to achieve and and kind of doing a good job with especially in the android side so i think that kind of natural portrait mode effect is one of the kind of knock-on effects you can get from being able to shoot with the aperture closed down a little bit then again you can only go to f4 on this and generally you know you're kind of pushing up to like f16 in sort of real cameras so you're still not really closing the aperture tiny it's not going to give you loads of depth of field it's just a little bit more and i think when the sensor is this small it's rare that you're going to want to close the aperture any it only really is going to end up triggering in particularly bright settings at least on the auto mode you know they've added in these pro camera controls so people might want to play around with this manually and kind of force the aperture to do things to get certain effects but in the manual mode sorry the auto mode i don't know how often this will actually really close very much um yeah i remember on the early uh iphones that added a telephoto lens i think this was like the iphone 6 7 era oh my gosh i'm sorry everyone um you know, they had this 2X telephoto and you would zoom in to try to use the telephoto.

43:44But because the sensor was so small, the phone would just secretly use the main sensor and be cropping in. And I think that situation has mostly resolved itself because the sensors have gotten bigger and the apertures have gotten wider. But I do think that's going to be a real problem here. You did mention something else, though, Dom, which is that they added these pro controls. and I think that is very, very interesting. They added additionally, they had some more photographic style options so that you can tune the style of the photos a little bit more and they added a whole suite of pro controls so that you can set the shutter speed, so you can set the aperture naturally and the white balance manually, which I think makes this a lot more powerful.

44:25I want to actually ask Cam because you tested the Pixel 11, which doesn't necessarily have that, although I actually, I think there maybe are some hidden pro controls. They recently added a whole bunch of new, their take on photographic styles. You got to use that for a bit. Did that feel overwhelming to you at any point? Or is that something as, you know, I think, tell me if I'm wrong, I think maybe a more casual photographer that you were able to get use out of. Yeah, it definitely seemed a little bit more geared toward casual photographers who do want a little bit more control. It's kind of interesting comparing the new iPhones to the latest Pixel phones because they're, you know, I think there's a realization in these companies that people want a little bit more control over their, over the photos that they take, whether it's tuning pro dials, like Apple's 18 pro series is, is focusing people in on, or, um, with Google, which is, you know, they have some of those dials as well.

45:21Can't quite remember off the top of my head, which ones are offered, but it's more about the, the camera looks. So it's like the, you see the end result before you take the photo rather than, you know, getting these pro tools in your hands like with adjustable aperture um which you know it's interesting i definitely want to try it um apple's use cases are always like they people look like they're shooting magazine covers and things like i'm not i'm not doing that in my normal life i'm sure i could achieve great results like neil i said you know the the room is is uh is lit just so so that practically any smartphone camera is going to look good in there but it did make me uh think about the pixel 11 series in a slightly less generous way because like the camera looks feature is is interesting um but nothing beats kind of the physical improvements to these sensors like whether it's telephoto optical zoom or variable aperture like that stuff is just really interesting to me so i'm very curious to see um what the results look like when we get the phones in our hands i i find apple's approach to pro-photo, pro-video stuff to be fascinating.

46:30Obviously, they think and are, I think, very bullish on their phones being used as these professional photography and video tools. Their events are now exclusively shot on their phones. To me, I see this and I go, obviously, these results are incredibly impressive, but that also comes when you can spend millions of dollars on sets and lighting and cinematographers and additional lenses put around them. But they are building in these pro capabilities for, you know, I think it's probably a small subset of people who can really make use of that power and would choose that over a dedicated camera.

47:10But, you know, on the other hand, it's something to be celebrated. Like, I'm not going to complain by any stretch, particularly, I suspect that a lot of the software features may end up being more useful, more powerful to people than the ability to close the aperture down. So one last thing on the iPhones, the iPhone Pro model, $100 more than last year. And Cam spotted right after the event, every other iPhone that Apple sells now costs$100 more. Is that, yeah, Cam, tell me about what you saw. I believe this is all of the old models that are still on sale that have not been refreshed. yeah yeah so there's there's a weird part of these events where um everything ends and then we just start crawling around apple.com um like gophers like looking for all these little changes uh when software is getting launched you know just things that don't um the fine print that doesn't get shared on stage um and i was just clicking around and i landed on some um iphone pages and uh specifically the 17e i was like 699 i feel like i was just considering that phone a little while ago and it wasn't that much and so i did a way back machine search and did another one and then i brought it to to the team and uh you all were just sort of like corroborating that and being like uh yeah i think this uh kind of snuck in during the event and that kind of started a search of uh the rest of the products and so far we think those are the only the only products that have been um price hiked i personally was a little worried about the apple watch se3 because that was unavailable to buy i was like i don't know i hope that doesn't go up in price but it seems okay but yeah um no seemingly no spec changes just a hundred dollar price bumps so uh it's a pretty sneaky way to deliver that especially if you're someone who maybe was waiting for the base iphone 18 to drop um it did not arrive we don't know when it's going to arrive apple has not said when and and quite the opposite uh yeah this is i think the first time that a year later it's always$100 less.

49:15This year, it's$100 more. And you pointed out nothing else got a price hike today. That is because Apple has been hiking prices all summer long. And I think the iPhone is sort of the last chip to fall. That was the big one that they had been holding for a long time. And I think the speculation was that they were probably eating a lot of the loss as these components got more expensive. The Wall Street Journal had a story out a couple months ago, speculating that for this generation of iPhone Pro, they might have to raise the price by$200 to make up the costs. This is, of course, from the RAM and overall memory crunch.

49:52They only raised it by$100. So I think some of the speculation now is that Apple's probably still eating some of that. That's not to say that they're not still making a hands-on profit here. But memory has gotten vastly more expensive. We actually have a fantastic piece from Ronnie Mola up on TheVirge.com about some of the origins of the RAM crunch. actually started before the AI boom. And that has just exacerbated it. It made it so much worse. And it seems that we are still years from a solution there. So I think unfortunate news for folks who are looking for cheaper phones. I think this is a very clear sign that we have a while to go.

50:28Last thing that I think we have to talk about is the AirPods 5. This, I actually wasn't necessarily expecting this. I think it has not been that long since the AirPods 4 came out. they streamlined this right the airpods 4 there were two models there was the airpods 4 and these are both the i think open ear they don't have the sealed ear tip and previously there was the standard model and then one with noise cancellation built in now it's one model the airpods 5 and well sort of one model airpods 5 with noise cancellation built in and then there's a bonus version that has stems where you can control the volume and uh wireless charging are either of you standards airpod standard airpods people i i have used the pros uh regularly for years now but the the open design i think has has not been my thing

51:21Dominic Preston:yeah i use a pair of bows uh earbuds at the moment but they are silicon tipped ones i i can't get on with the open-air design. I'm kind of remaining slightly amazed that it's stuck around so long. And then if anything, we've seen this kind of resurgence of people liking open-air and non-silicon-tipped earbuds. I want the seal and I want the ANC to be better. And ANC is bad enough on earbuds at the best of times. And you take away the silicon tip and it gets worse. And Apple is saying this is, you know, 50 % better ANC than last year and the best in any, you know, non-tipped version. So we'll see how that holds up.

51:55Dominic Preston:But yeah, I've never quite gotten on with this kind of style. I will say, like, we just talked about Apple phones getting more expensive. These did not, right? They start at$129. I believe the upgraded model is$149, which is actually, I think, cheaper than the AirPods 4 with ANC, which I think is very impressive and I think quite aggressive in the market. I feel like Apple does not necessarily always play by the same rules as other companies. But, you know, this is a market where you can get, I think, a beautiful pair of, you know, nothing earbuds that have ANC for, you know, under$100. The AirPods look quite reasonable in comparison.

52:35And I don't know about you both, but on the subway every single morning, I see people with, you know, a colorful array of earbuds designs. And I think the AirPods are certainly, you know, far and away the majority, but I don't think the market is exclusively theirs. And it does seem like it's a space that's price sensitive. So none of those upgrades still are going to sell you. Like Cam, I think you cover deals very closely. I'm curious your thoughts on the positioning here. do these airpods you know feel like they are positioned to take down the rest of that market or is this apple still just like kind of living in its own world here um i think it's a little bit of both i i was thinking about this before you asked because um uh you know the airpods pro 3 occasionally drop in price they're normally listed at 249 but they're almost never that expensive um normally they're 199 189 um a couple months ago i think they dropped down to one 169 or 179 so i think like apple's mo is just offering something at every kind of price point but um the the 149 price point for the apple or the airpods 5 with the wireless charging case i feel like the pro 3 offers just enough more um of course i'm looking at a spec sheet it's got the heart rate sensing um better battery life um not really all that much more that's uh improved over the AirPods five, aside from the noise isolating tips.

54:10Yeah, I'm not sure if I would leap to the AirPods five. But you know, if that's your budget, and you're cool with the fit, it's probably it's probably an okay way to go. Well, you bring up a really good point, which is I think when it comes to the iPhone, the price of the price, like you're gonna pay that price, you can pay it in different ways, you can pay it in installations, but like, you're gonna pay that price. And when it comes to the AirPods, it's the very rare Apple product where the price is totally fake. If you buy it from apple.com, that's what you pay. But if you go anywhere else, most weeks of the year, you're going to get some kind of deal on it that I think, and because it's an Apple product, you're like, oh man, that's like, I feel pretty good about getting this.

54:48So I do think there's a real question here of, you know, is this the AirPods five's price or is it going down? Or Or does this spell the end of some of these deep discounts on the AirPods Pro 3? Or does Apple just need to launch an AirPods Pro 5 to get these numbers on the same page? Because this is too much. I think it's an interesting strategy. I think I'm very glad to see ANC become standard. That feels like essential in 2026. And at$129, even if that is the price, I think that's actually quite aggressive for Apple, particularly with the set of features that they're offering. Wireless charging is a bit of a bummer to not have, but that's actually not uncommon at earbuds at that price point.

55:32I think those are all the big things. I'm curious, are there any other highlights that I think we didn't touch on that you guys are like, Jake, why have we not talked about this? Or anything from the chat that we should pull in just before we dip out?

55:48Dominic Preston:We didn't talk about the Apple reference image in the pro camera, which is really interesting. This kind of synth ID related ability to verify that a photo was taken on an iPhone 18 Pro and it is like digitally signing the photograph pixel by pixel and then creating an uneditable reference image version. So you can always verify this was the original shot taken on my iPhone 18 Pro. Yeah, this was wild. They announced this and it felt like they went above and beyond. So this is a thing that's been brewing for a couple years now outside of Apple. I remember, I think it's, what, maybe it's two pixels ago, they added a feature where the camera will sign the photos and it will say, taken by a camera, which feels weird, feels very weird.

56:47And that's not like a perfect system. But Apple, what are they actually doing here? Do we know yet? Because they said there's literally a digital negative that will prove out the veracity of your photo, which I do think may actually be taking this to another level beyond what we've seen from other manufacturers.

57:08Dominic Preston:Yeah, I mean, the claim seems to be not just that the file itself that you take kind of marks it as this was taken on a camera, this was taken on an iPhone, but really that there's this this file in your in your iCloud or somewhere that you can kind of point to and show to someone and say hey look here's this photo here's this file and it proves this is a real photo i took not something i made with ai i don't know like how you're going to access that and use it to verify things and and who they think is going to be in a position to do that and whether those people which really screams like journalists and professional context are they really taking all their photos on an iPhone anyway.

57:45Dominic Preston:Maybe some, but you know. I get the impression there's like a very small contingent of people who care very deeply about building these features and they're fighting the good fight. Like this stuff is crucially important in a world where you can prompt anything and have it generate very quickly. And right now, I think it still feels so intangible in some ways because for the most part of photo, you can tell what's happening And that's not where the, this metadata often gets stripped as it gets uploaded to different platforms and shared around. I think that is one of the bigger problems. Apple's ability to, I think, give you that additional layer of evidence and proof.

58:28It's going to be fascinating to see that play out. And if that's something that people are actually able to lean on and rely on. I agree. That's like quietly one of the bigger deals of the software features announced at this event.

58:38Dominic Preston:I'm actually not even sure it's the software feature, though, although it clearly is partly. But they say that it is the sensor in the main camera that is doing this somehow. So this is, although they kind of bury this slightly, because I think they want to sell the idea that every photo you take with your iPhone 18 Pro will do this. It actually reads more like every photo you take with the main camera in your iPhone 18 Pro will do this. Maybe that's not true, because they could obviously use the main camera to capture something kind of behind the scenes of your telephoto and shot to still use it.

59:10Dominic Preston:I don't know. um but this on some level it's a hardware feature but they've been they've not gone into a lot of detail about what exactly is happening there it just says uh it's powered by the new sensor in the main camera that can sign every pixel it sees oh that is that's really fascinating that it is a hardware level authentication i mean in that case this seems like something that is potentially going to be something that we'll have to see if the industry adopts that kind of technology spreads that sounds, I mean, that is kind of the level of veracity you need in order to prove this stuff is real.

59:44And we saw Apple kind of pulling those sort of like we're doing specialized, you know, co-processors throughout its devices today, as it talked about privacy and security. So that's very interesting to hear. Okay. I think that's all the big products. This is a really, really interesting event, I think even beyond the iPhone Duo. We're going to have a ton more at TheVerge.com. If you haven't already, please head there. We've got hands-on coverage with the iPhone Duo, the iPhone Pro, the Apple Watches. We're going to have a bunch more from Allison and V on the show tomorrow. So please stay tuned.

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