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1:22Welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of 25-year-old startup sounds. I'm your friend David Pierce, and I am coming to you from the Salt Lake City Airport on my way home from WWDC Apple's annual developer conference. It's been quite a week. You may have already heard our podcast episode about the Vision Pro, Apple's brand new headset, and we have lots more to come on Friday's episode this week. But for this episode, I wanted to bring you something a little different, a little special. So we were hanging out with our friends over at the Waveform podcast. If you don't listen, it's a great show.

1:52If you like this show, you'll probably like Waveform. We decided we were just going to get in a studio and play a game together. So that's what we did. We spent 30 minutes in a studio at Apple Park doing trivia. It's tech trivia. It's weird trivia. A lot of it has to do with Craig Federighi. We had a blast, and I think you'll have fun listening to it. It was on the VergeCast side. It was Dan Seifert, Nilay Patel, and me, David Pierce. And we had the whole Waveform team in there helping us out. So producers Adam Molina and Ellis Roven ran the show for us, and it was Marquez Brownlee, Andrew Manganielli, and David Imel on their team.

2:27I won't spoil who won, but we had a really good time, and I think you'll enjoy listening to us. What I really want to know before we get started here is the craziest thing you think we got wrong. We missed a lot of stuff. It had been a long week. Everybody was tired. But I want to know. Hit us up. Tell us all the things that you can't believe we got right or, you know, can't believe we got wrong. It's a super fun show. I hope you enjoy. We have more with the Waveform team on the Vergecast episode that published this Wednesday, and we're going to have lots more on WWDC also coming on Friday. Stick around for all of that.

2:56Enjoy the show. All right, welcome. This is Verge and Waveform, trivia extravaganza. You probably might not know my name if you're on the Vergecast feed. I am Adam Alina, the producer of Waveform. I'm Ellis Rovin, the other producer of Waveform. And we are going to pit the hosts of our two podcasts together today. How are you guys feeling? Terrified. It was good and now it's bad. They were only asking you guys because they know. This idea was so much better five minutes ago. I feel great. Too late to back out. Yeah, this is great. It's really sitting next to like a hardened competitor like Mark.

3:32It's like your confidence really drops. I will say he is extremely competitive. He's been plotting for weeks on this. And we only found out about it like a week ago. But he knew somehow. He was competitive. And researching just various things. So if you've never listened to our trivia game before, we have three categories of questions for you tonight. Each category, each team will select one contestant to answer all the questions in that category. After you've figured out your answer, write it on your whiteboard, flip it around, say it aloud, and we'll award you points or not. How are we feeling?

4:02Ready to go? I'm ready. Let's do it. All right. With that, let's kick off some trivia. Oh my God. Trivia. Yeah, dude. Let's go. Yeah. All right. All right. The first category is... Were you paying attention? Were you paying attention? Questions about the minutia of WWDC 2023. Oh God. Adam, would you like to ask the first question? You bet I would. All right. We have to pick our fighters, right? Yeah. So you guys need to pick who do you want to answer this question? I love the idea of this being David v. David. Yeah. Let's do it. We're allowed to confer, right? Yes. All right. They can't stop us.

4:42Wait, David, were you paying attention? I think so. Okay. I was live blogging, which means I was not like brain like water. Just everything came out into my fingers and immediately left my brain. The problem, David, is we were all live blogging. I know. David v. David, who will be the best David? All right. First question How does the new Compass app show waypoint altitude to users? Write it down Flip them Why is he writing already? What's going on over there? I mean I don't know if this is correct But I have an idea I don't understand Alright I'm going to give you Oh you don't understand the question That sounds like a you problem But just in case I will enlighten you Hit me with it one more time The new Compass app on the watch Now displays the altitude of your waypoints how does it visually express that altitude to the user?

5:28I see. I like that, David. Five. I'm correct. It's lines. Three, two, one. Let's flip. Pop-up bubbles. 3D space. Those are technically the same answer. I'll give it to you. We'll say correct. So you each get one for both of us? Correct, both. That feels great. The answer we had written down was the height of the stock, but both of those seem to match. What? What does that even mean? Oh, so it's one of those games. All right. Cool. Now I know what it is. All right, all right, all right, folks. Settle down, settle down. This is my game. This is my game. All right, let's go. All right, ready? Craig mentioned a new machine learning function coming to the home screen of iPadOS.

6:09What was it? They're staring blankly at each other. I'm trying to communicate with my eyes. Let's see it, guys. I've got multiple timers. Multiple timers? I don't know. All right. It's suggested apps in the spotlight search. Oh, is that on the home screen? That might be an acceptable answer. Yes. The answer we were looking for was frame interpolation on live photos. Wait, that's the one where he was like, Earth looks amazing at this scale, and he was holding an 11-inch iPad. How did they get that right then? Because I believe that is machine learning to do the smart stacks, unless it's not on the home screen.

6:44I don't think I should have gotten that one. All right, we're taking the point away from you. Because I got it. You already said it. Give me the point. I don't think that's machine learning. That's a Markov chain of best. All right, so we'll take it back. Next question. What was the color of the first 15-inch MacBook Air that they showed in the presentation? The first one when they announced it. And this, again, is the 15-inch MacBook Air. Five, four, three, two, one. Flip them and read, boys. What do you got? I put black. Starlight. Read them one at a time, please. Black. That's not even a color.

7:18I know. I said it like 20 times. My answer was Starlight. That is correct. I was wrong anyways. Black is a hardcore answer. There are four possible answers and you picked a fifth. I would like to point out that there are zero Apple products named Black. The thing I'm learning is I really didn't pay that much attention. Were you mouth-ing it to me? I was saying Midnight. So you're saying the wrong answer. I was wrong, but at least it was an answer. At least it was in the circle. Anyway, whatever. It probably was Starlight and then I was like, I don't know. It doesn't matter. Anyway. All right, continue.

7:51During WWDC 2023, what made Craig exclaim, we truly live in a world of wonders? That one. Wow, Dan's on it. Five, four, three, two, one. That was a good credit. Flip him and read. Multiple timers. Wave, David? Yeah, multiple timers. Okay. Multiple timers. Wave, Dave. Good job. Okay, next question. In the intro, where there is a man chasing the bubble, What were the final words that appeared on the screen? Ocean of Bubble. Dream it. Dream it. Chase it. Blank. What were those last words? I thought that was going to be multiple choice. Five, four, three, two, one. Flip them and read. Wave, David.

8:38What do you got? This says, make it happen. Wow. I believed Marquez for that one. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's a level of paying attention. You're not going to come through. Well, I just thought it was so funny that it stuck in the mind. We still have three categories left. Are we looking for an easier question or a harder question? Easier. Easier. Yeah, okay. Easier. He's got a lot of confidence in his team over there. Do I get a point for that? How many pro display XDRs can the new Mac Studio support? I've never seen Marques lean over faster in my entire life. Right? Yes. Everyone on Twitter was asking Who is going to use this many XDRs Studio Pro Pro display XDRs please Oh yes the Mac Studio That is correct 5, 4, 3 2, 1 Wave David what do you got 6 What is that number I said 6 I also said 6 Two correct answers from the Davids Was it 10 million maximum Can we dock off like a quarter of a point for not being able to write a six?

9:50That's the tiebreaker. If we tie at the end, we lose for that six. You turned an eight into a six because the Mac Pro does eight, and we knew that. When I draw with my hands, my hands cramp up, and it just kind of goes all over. Quick update on the score. Verge Cast 5, Waveform 3. That's right. I'm sorry. Next question. We need to make more time, yeah. Next question. Apple added advanced metrics and features for two sports on the Apple Watch with their own slides. What were they? Wait. Clarification? Yeah. Were they native apps or third-party apps? Native apps. Excellent question. Five, four, three, two, one.

10:31Flip them and read. Let's go Verge David first this time. What do you got? Hiking and cycling. Okay. Is hiking a sport? I don't know, but that's what they had it at. If you do it hard enough. Bad take, Andrew. David, what'd you say? I had a different answer. I said cycling and hiking. Ooh, good. Good one. This is the last question of this round, and I'm going to hit you guys with a doozy. David, I just want you to know, I think we're both doing a really good job. What is going on here? That David's doing way better. He's trying to trick you into getting this wrong. You do sportsmanship at the end.

11:03But is he doing real sportsmanship, or just fucking me up because he's already doing better than me? What studio monitors were in the background of the opening shot of the opening cinematic of WWDC23. I will accept a model number or a brand. Wow. Wow. Were you paying attention? Oh, yeah. I remember that one. Five, four, three, two, one. Flip him and read. Wave, David. What do you got? Are you writing right now? Yeah. Okay. David, I'm waiting for an answer. For you, that's okay. Uh, Genelec What? Oh wait, no, we changed our answer It's too late My answer is the ones Marquez has Uh-huh, no The correct answer was KRK Rockets Were they really?

11:54They were They looked exactly Those are old They can be noticed by their distinctive Yellow circles All right, the second category for today's show is G-Fuel Flavors That's right we are going to read you a G Fuel flavor and you have to tell me if it is a real flavor or if I made it up in my hotel room last night. I don't like that you're so confident about being ready for this. Dan, we already have, okay. I mean, I'll take the category. I don't know what G Fuel is. How did you guys make those sounds? At like 11 o 'clock last night, he's just recording into his microphone and showing me what he's coming up with.

12:34Ellis, can we please get a definition of of g-fuel and can i have it used in a sentence g-fuel is the uh it's a powder that becomes a liquid or you either buy it as a liquid and it makes you game better it's very generic it's a language of origin please i i unfortunately cannot enlighten you with such a all right the first flavor the first flavor of g-fuel we have today is blood sweat and tears It is a cinnamon candy flavor. Three, two, one. I trust Andrew entirely with this because I have no idea. I got this, but I don't like knowing that I got this. I hope I got it. Does this group consume G Fuel?

13:13No. I like making fun of G Fuel, which is why I know more about it than... Oh, yeah. Sure. Okay. Gotcha. You got to know you're out. No one look at my background. I'm obsessed with it, ironically. Yeah, I got you. Right. All right. Until it's not. Real or fake? I'm going with real. Wow. It is a real flavor. Andrew, what? Who drinks cinnamon candy? I think Andrew is tossing the segment so we don't know how much he likes G Fuel. All right. The second flavor is Amnesty. Amnesty is a pina colada flavor. That's fake. I'm sorry. If it's real, it should be fake. That can't be real. That's a good way to think of G Fuel, though.

13:56If you think it should be fake, I think the entire concept of G Fuel, if it's real, should be fake. I'm ready. Two. Oh, Gamer Fuel. One. Flip. I have real. I'm going with fake. All right. Amnesty is a fake flavor. Oh, my God. See, it's very obvious that gamers do not drink pina coladas. That's a good point. That's a great context. That's a really good point. They'd rather drink cinnamon candy versus a pina colada. Wow, we're getting slayed. Yeah, we've been giving Andrew a lot of crap, and Dan's just over here getting all the answers right here. I just want to point that out. The next flavor is Brimstone.

14:32Brimstone is a crayon raspberry flavor. That sounds real. Yeah, it feels real. But Ellis is also really good. I'm going against you guys, sir. Write whatever you think you're saying that out. Okay. Three, two, one. Look at the way he's holding his card on a plane. Flip him around. I have fake. Yes. My God. We already lost this. We have to have five rounds. Brimstone is exactly the sort of word that if you're targeting a teenage gamer, you use. What was the flavor, though, again? You said fake. Brimstone was crayon raspberry. That sounds like too good of a flavor. No, that is perfectly targeted.

15:07Brimstone, it sounds like something you hear in the Doom game when you beat the boss. No, I agree with that completely. I thought it was tricking us with that. The next flavor is type O, like the blood type. Type O is a passion fruit flavor. Why? That's actually, this is the hardest one. This could go out of the way. That's fake. G fuel passion I think that's fake I feel like I'm at this point so I can blame you do wait well one flip I'm going fake oh is a real flavor of G fuel we thought it was just too on brand how man it's too obvious tell this because I'm brown but I'm like embarrassed like I'm like blushing and how stupid this entire situation is.

15:49All right, the final question. Why do we use this for one of the three segments? This is so much talking about G Fuel. The final flavor of G Fuel for this round is Bee Sting. Bee Sting is a fruity cereal with a dash of honey. I think that's real. You know, like when you're watching an embarrassing TV show and you have to leave the room? I want out of this room so badly. The next one has to be good. Is bee sting a real flavor? Flip him around. Going with fake. Fake. Bee sting is fake, but there is a flavor called scorpion sting. Wait, so I didn't get it. Wait, so I didn't get it. We both said it right.

16:27He meant to do this. There you go. My bad. Minus one point for the host. Nice. Let's go. I can't believe I ran that category, buddy. Unbelievable work. Great job, Dan. I never heard of G Fuel until two minutes ago. And now we've heard about it so much. A well-disguised knowledge of G Fuel over there. We kind of have to have more rounds because otherwise we already won. We didn't tell you this, but Dan, snort, srogy. I don't even mix it. I just line the powder up. This next round is a favorite of ours here on Waveform Trivia. It is our audio round. Oh, boy. It is our audio round. Oh, I love this shit.

17:03We are going to play you a famous sound, and you have to tell us its source. So as an example, if you heard... Windows XP, baby. Exactly. I would not accept Windows, but I would accept Windows XP. You do not need to be as specific as Windows XP startup sound. Windows XP would be enough. Oh, just like a general. Platinum, humbling. Exactly, but if you had said Windows, that is not specific. You know, I'm going to put the Windows XP startup sound in the Apple office. Home edition. Like the security security is coming. The SWAT team is here. Right, right, right. They're going to be coming a lot today.

17:37All right. This is Marques versus Nilay. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. The first sound is... I'm going to try. David's very upset with me. Oh, I know this one. Oh, yeah. I'm not upset with you. You're upset with me? I'm not. I wrote Netflix to doom. I need to write bigger is what I just learned. That is correct. I also wrote Netflix. I love it. The next sound is...

18:07Three, two, one. Marquez. shot in the dark. Some PlayStation startup sound. Which PlayStation? Yeah, that's a wrong one. It keeps scary. Never mind. PS5. That was the PS3. Well, shit. Oh, man. All right. The next sound. Yeah, baby. Yeah, I had that. Taking me back. Taking me back. I'm pretty confident about that one. This is one of the all-time crazy. Let's flip them around. Marquez, what do you got? I used Skype a lot back in the day. Skype. Skype. Two correct answers from our audio. I think Skype still looks the best, by the way. Like the app? That's my feeling. Yeah. I haven't used it in years, so I don't actually know.

18:49Probably better than WebEx. Let's move on to our next sound. Hard shot at Apple inside the Apple building again. I'm just saying. We tested out a few Apple sounds for this, but we either found they were too obvious or it would be impossible. I guess that's the beauty of Apple's sound design. Up next we have... Oh, easy.

19:14I don't know, actually. Dan is confident. I was joking. I can see the animation when I hear it. I just don't remember if it... You can? You had that? Five. No, I didn't. Four. Three. How do you see it? That was just my guess. One. Flip him and read. I said the PS Vita. I said Dolby Atmos. That was the Xbox Series X startup sound. Don't listen to me ever again. What was that? You said it so confidently. You're leaning back in your chair? I thought it was Dolby Digital. All right, up next. That's exactly what I was saying. Oh, shit. I hate this. Damn, that's a... It's in my brain. Yeah. Any guesses?

19:53I wrote MetaQuest. Sorry. Eli, you're really pushing it. I wrote PS5 this time. I knew it was wrong. Unfortunately, that is the Hulu startup sound. That is the sound when you load the Hulu app. Do you know why I know this? I've never launched it in my life. I want to admit this to you. I know this because my wife is watching the Hillsong documentary on Hulu right now, and I've heard that sound a lot, and I thought to myself, this causes me pain. And then I immediately leapt to the PS5. That was so epic. No, because when I turn on my PS5, the Apple TV fights it. So I was like, this is the sound I hear before something dumb happens.

20:26When I turn on my LG TV, the PS5 also boots up and then fights the Chromecast. Yeah, it's weird. We're nerds. Weird. Wait, what's the score right now for this category? Adam, what's our score? We lost. Vergecast 12? Yeah. Waveform 7. Yikes. Come on, boys. You're making us look bad. You know, the G Fuel category was really just a random number generator. I don't know. That was like a hamster picking stocks. All right. This next one, we're going to throw it back just a few years. All right. Oh.

20:59Yeah, throwbacks. Just confidently say some shit, Dan. Throwbacks don't hit me. I would say THS. Play again. Five, four, three, two, one and a half, one and three quarters, one. Flip them and read. Marquez, what is that? My mark is crapping out, but I said PlayStation 2. I'm sorry. I wrote Wii U. Yeah. Guys, this is Windows 98, unfortunately. Oh, wow. No one used Windows 98. Everyone skipped from 95 to 2000 when they went to the NT core. Come on. All hospitals everywhere disagree. are you even a nurse I was in the hospital when I was 17 years old I was barely alive one more category or you want to keep going through the audio one more category we go down the line with every question oh yeah I like that start with you guys and then we run down and how far ahead are we five points we really should stop it you're still going to win you're probably still going to win how many G Fuel questions are left Zero.

22:03But the next category is... Air Force One. All questions about Craig Federighi. Oh, boy. All right. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. All right. First question. We all remember Craig's iconic slow-mo run from WWDC 2022, but what announcement was he running to? Okay. The slow-mo transition became a meme all over the place. He was just running straight. He was already in like a... The slow-mo transition? Oh. Was that the MacBook Air? Five, four, three, two, one. Marques? He was running down to M2. Oh, damn. All right. I've written iOS question mark. The correct answer was iPadOS. That's what I said.

22:52This is the same thing. That's true. It's not the same thing. iOS question mark basically is iPadOS. You don't get credit for iOS. iOS question mark kind of is iPadOS. Honestly. I said PlayStation. I was right. I whispered iPadOS into my microphone, please. The next question is, Craig started working with Steve Jobs at a company that was not Apple. That company was called what? Oh, Jesus. I was not alive yet. Oh. Stop burning me because I'm old. I was already 25 years old. I had five jobs. I think it's this, right? Yeah. Right? I have no idea. Four. I don't think we get two answers. Two. I don't.

23:35What does that say? Never mind. David Pierce. I believe the company was called Next. That is correct. And that is your 13th point. David? This is mine. I also said Next. Good work. Way to go, David. Way to go, David. I was not yet alive. David's tearing it up over here. Tearing it up. I was super alive, bro. Here's a fun trivia fact. The internet. I was living the dream with my next cube. Tim Berners. Never heard of this company. All right, Ellis. We knew that. All right. Next question. Give me the G.

24:04Craig Federighi once Rick rolled the audience at WWDC. What Apple app was he showing off new features for when he did this? Oh, God. Better be so far. What Apple app? Can you tell us what year it was? 2015. Thank you. That was probably when that came out. Yeah, it was an year. Sure. Five. Okay, yeah, yeah. Four. Three. Two. They know too much. And one. I don't like this at all. This feels too obvious. Andy? I put Apple Music. Sorry. iMovie. The correct answer was Safari. I did. I should have just said Safari. I'm so sorry. I said that and we erased it. Yeah, it was obviously Safari. Two more questions in the Craig round.

24:44First question. Craig almost always wears a shirt of a shade of what color? That's too easy. I need a good five-point question. That's true. A good five-point question. You know? I still think we'd lose. I believe you. I'm pretty sure that's right do you not immediately know? I mean I did is it weird that I know that? I knew that too actually am I weird? I don't know I knew that too one lip two correct answers two points a lot of jeans on stage our last one our last Craig question is I liked it finally the question was what color was the shirt? that was good alright David save the game for us forget it I will save the game for you guys you got it I'm sorry, Craig.

25:30I'm ending the Craig round here. We have time for one more question. The question is, and this is a David v. David question, but all are welcome to chime in. What is the flagship Vox Media technology podcast? Oh, good. Do you want a serious answer? I don't know. It's the weeds. Wait, it's just right what's on the back. Oh, yeah. It's decoder. Three. Two. One, flip him and read Verge form The phrase you're looking for is the goddamn Verge cast David threw you a bone I don't know if David knifed you in the heart I'm just going to say you're both wrong For some reason That was amazing Those are our questions for this evening Thanks G Fuel In second place We have Wave form with nine points No, first place in our hearts.