137: The Book That Changed Your Life

31 May 2026 · 1 h 1 min · 22 chapters

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In short

How books change lives in four different ways: a playwright’s life shaped by a grandfather’s annotated memoir; a family’s moral/sexual worldview warped by a filthy novel; a construction worker transformed into a Lewis-and-Clark scholar by collecting (and later reading) rare books; and a New York writer relocating to the prairie after Laura Ingalls Wilder’s books.

Guests (and backgrounds)

The episode features multiple narrators rather than a single guest list. Alexa Young is a screenwriter/TV writer (Friends, The West Wing, Big Love, Grace and Frankie) who grew up reading her grandfather’s theater books. David Sedaris is the author whose story is read (he wrote Naked; the episode recounts his childhood discovery of a hidden, sexually explicit book). Jeremy Goldstein narrates the story of Roger Wendler, a former construction worker turned Lewis-and-Clark collector/scholar. Megan Daum narrates her move to Nebraska inspired by Laura Ingalls Wilder. Stephen Beckham and Doug Erickson appear as referenced experts/archivists; Tim Sullivan and Marion Kramer are interviewed in the prairie segment.

Key claims

Marginal notes can function like a “blueprint” for a life. A book can “infect” a family’s perceptions. You can be changed by books you don’t read—by owning and then eventually studying them. Reading can drive real-world relocation and community immersion.

Notable examples

Alexa’s grandfather Moss Hart’s Act One (with critical “steadfastly disagree” notes and rare “ah!” exclamations); Sedaris’s hidden-in-woods book leading sisters to consult the dictionary and later to interpret neighbors as sexual predators; Roger Wendler’s 1814 Lewis and Clark journals set (bought after a $12,500 price shock) and his later reading of the “ocean in view, oh the joy” passage; Daum visiting De Smet, South Dakota, and the Laura Ingalls Wilder pageant on Charles Ingalls’s homestead.

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Chapters

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Discovering a Grandfather's Legacy

0:14 to 4:16

Alexa reflects on her childhood experiences with her grandfather's books.

“When she was seven, when she would visit her grandmother, Alexa would look through the books that her grandfather had owned back when he was alive.”

The Impact of 'Act One'

4:16 to 5:51

Alexa shares how Moss Hart's autobiography influenced her life.

“From WBEZ Chicago, this is American Life.”

Alexa's Journey Inspired by Moss Hart

6:00 to 14:00

Alexa discusses her journey in theater and her connection to Moss Hart.

“So Alexa Young says that she never meant for Moss Hart's autobiography, Act One, to be a blueprint for her life.”

Marvin Borowski's Honest Letter

14:00 to 16:21

Hear a heartfelt letter reflecting on life, sickness, and gratitude.

“He says, I've asked Donald Davis, who I would assume is one of his students.”

Introducing Alexa Young

16:21 to 17:09

Learn about Alexa Young's journey from New York to Hollywood.

“And so this to you feels very much like Hart, too, Moss Hart.”

Act Two: The Family That Reads Together

17:09 to 17:34

Explore how a book impacts a family's dynamics in unexpected ways.

“Act Two, The Family That Reads Together.”

The Cautionary Tale of a Controversial Book

17:34 to 26:42

Listen to a story about a book that disrupts a family's innocence.

“its cover torn away and the pages damp with mildew.”

The Cautionary Tale of a Controversial Book

26:43 to 27:26

Listen to a story about a book that disrupts a family's innocence.

“His latest book is called The Land and Its People.”

Roger's Journey into Lewis and Clark

28:35 to 33:48

Explore how a simple hobby turned Roger into a leading collector of Lewis and Clark literature.

“We've arrived at Act 3 of our show, Act 3, Roger and me, Lewis and Clark.”

The Quest for the First Edition

33:48 to 36:56

Follow Roger's challenging journey to acquire the first edition of Lewis and Clark's journals.

“It's the cornerstone of any serious Lewis and Clark collection, a first edition copy of the first official account of the expedition.”
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Transformation Through Reading

36:56 to 41:24

See how owning the books changed Roger, leading him to finally read them and embrace scholarship.

“It established him as an expert in all things written about Lewis and Clark.”

A New Chapter in Life

41:24 to 42:03

Discover the changes in Roger's life after retiring and dedicating himself to literature.

“Any of those in construction industry now listening to this, eat your hearts out.”

Roger's Life and Legacy

42:03 to 42:52

Learn about Roger Wendler's passion for books and his contributions to literature.

“Now you see Roger, he strolls in sometime in the morning whenever he feels like it.”

The Impulse to Connect With Books

42:52 to 43:34

Explore the desire to connect with the worlds of beloved books.

“In 2023, years after we first broadcast this story, Roger Wendler died.”

Megan's Move to Nebraska

43:34 to 45:06

Discover Megan Daum's motivations for moving to Nebraska inspired by Laura Ingalls Wilder's books.

“maybe you move to New York City and start writing plays.”

Living History in De Smet

45:06 to 47:29

Learn about the town of De Smet and its connection to Laura Ingalls Wilder's life and works.

“makes a life for themselves in the new place.”

The Community Spirit of De Smet

47:29 to 49:27

Understand the community's dedication to celebrating Laura's legacy through pageants and local efforts.

“where caravans of family cars wind around the grounds looking for the burial sites of Charles, Caroline, Mary, Carrie, and Grace Ingalls.”

Marion's Reflection on Life and Laura

49:27 to 52:44

Hear Marion's insights on her life compared to Laura's as a pioneer school teacher.

“Traditionally in a story like this, the writer goes to the place she's dreamt of and finds that it's not like what she imagined at all.”

The Pageant Experience

52:44 to 56:03

Get an inside look at the pageant celebrating Laura Ingalls Wilder and its heartfelt performances.

“The quote goes something like, It's best to be truthful and honest and make the best of what we have.”

Celebrating Laura Ingalls Wilder

56:03 to 58:02

Explore the charm and impact of a local pageant celebrating Laura's life.

“I am completely charmed by this pageant.”

Megan Daum's Journey

58:02 to 58:56

Learn about Megan Daum's life changes and writing influenced by Laura's stories.

“Ma did her sewing, and Laura managed to find delight in the world around her.”

Megan Daum's Journey

1:01:58 to 1:02:08

Learn about Megan Daum's life changes and writing influenced by Laura's stories.

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Transcript

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0:00This message comes from Capital One. Capital One offers checking accounts with no fees or minimums. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See CapitalOne.com slash Bank Guy for details. Capital One N.A. Member FDIC. When she was seven, when she would visit her grandmother, Alexa would look through the books that her grandfather had owned back when he was alive. What she liked especially was finding the books where he'd made little notes in the margins. So that was the part that was really, you know, compelling. Because there were hints about who he was. Exactly. And a lot of times they were really critical.

0:36He would just like, he would write, I steadfastly disagree or something like that. Wow. Or he would write, ah, if he really liked something. As a kid, over the course of about a year, she systematically divided the books into two piles, the ones with markings and the ones without. And then she tried to read all the ones with markings. Her grandfather was a playwright and a teacher, and the books were creaky old books from the 1930s about theater and about how to write plays. It was thrilling. And when she was 11, she wrote her very first play, using the rules in the books, rules from another generation.

1:14These were archaic rules, like start your play with lots of exposition, which was really, you know, in vogue at the time. So I started mine with a butler whose name I believe was Manson picking up a phone saying stuff like, no, the lady and gentleman are not home right now. Why at a fancy charity ball? Yes, he's still drinking too much and she's having an affair with a gardener. Whom shall I say is calling? I'm not kidding. You were 11. then. By the time I got to college and I started to actually take writing classes, it was brought to my attention that, you know, stage directions shouldn't be things like there follows a mighty howling of wind.

2:04And one of the things my teacher, who was not a young man by any means said, was he was like, sweetheart, we don't use soto voce anymore to mean he whispers. You just write whispers.

2:22But of all the books on her grandfather's shelves, there was one book that affected her more than the others. It had lots of her grandfather's writing in the margins. And he was very critical, so it was very rare that he would write, ah, exclamation point. And there were more ahs in Moss Hart's autobiography, which is called Act One. than I think almost any of the other books that he had. Moss Hart was a Broadway playwright, the man who directed My Fair Lady with Julie Andrews and Rex Harrison. He was married to another then-luminary named Kitty Carlisle, who people these days mostly remember as a game show panelist back in the 1960s.

3:00The book details how he started as a kid in the Bronx, found something he just loved to do, which was to make plays. Reading it as a child, Alexa had that experience that you have sometimes as a kid. She did not understand everything in the book, But she understood enough to know that she really, really liked it. Like, I knew what was going on in this book was fun. It drove him so powerfully, and it seemed to make him so happy. She read Act One by Moss Hart over and over. She memorized long stretches. She tried to memorize the entire book. Even today, she recalls where specific ahs were penciled into her grandfather's copy.

3:35Because it felt like I was recognizing an old friend. And it felt like a familiarity of, oh, I found a home. This guy likes the same home I want. Yeah. So... These are my people. Yeah, yeah.

3:53You don't meet many people who tell you that a book changed their lives. The idea of that is appealing, I think. Because it's nice to think that our lives could be changed by the vision of the world that happens between the pages of a book instead of what our lives are usually changed by. You know, dumb luck, tragedies, coincidences. Today on our radio program, we have stories of people whose lives were changed by books. Really changed. From WBEZ Chicago, this is American Life. I'm Ira Glass. Our program today in four acts. Act one is called, well, Act One, where somebody gets clues about how to live their life from notes scribbled by their dead grandfather in the margins of the book.

4:34Act two, the family that reads together. In that act, the story of how when David Sedaris was a boy, he stumbled upon a dirty book in the woods. He made his sisters view all adults with newfound suspicion and send him to the dictionary. Act three, Roger and me and Lewis and Clark. The story of a construction worker. And this question, can your life be changed by a book that you have never seen and have not read? Act 4, Little Side Houses for You and Me. This one is the old, old story, my friend. New York girl leaves the big city, heads out to a small town on the prairie with a dream, and a bonnet.

5:14Stay with us.

5:27Support for This American Life comes from GoodRx. This allergy season, the whole family can get relief without overpaying. Seasonal allergy medication starts at just$10 with GoodRx. GoodRx lets you compare prescription prices at over 70 ,000 pharmacies and instantly find discounts up to 80%. GoodRx is not insurance, but even if you have insurance or Medicare, GoodRx may beat your copay. Get allergy savings on the GoodRx app or go to goodrx.com slash T-A-L. This American Life. Today's show is a rerun. Act One, Act One. So Alexa Young says that she never meant for Moss Hart's autobiography, Act One, to be a blueprint for her life.

6:12Looking back on the events of what happened over decades, that seems to have been the case. Basically what I did was, like he did in his life story, I moved to New York. I think I kind of followed him there. Really, you consciously followed him there? I don't think it was conscious, but there are so many things that I did that he did. I wasn't as good of, I mean, he was more sort of, he could fake it better than I can. But, you know, he wrote, he went, he had to get money at a certain point. He was like, I need money. So he thought, who's the richest person I know? And he wrote a letter to this woman, I think, and then showed up on her doorstep and said, I'm Moss Hart and I have a play and if you give me money, we'll put it on.

6:55And she did. And I wrote, isn't that amazing? And I wrote letters to strangers and said, I'm Alexa and I have a play. And if you fund my play, you can be part of the theater. And did that work? It did one time. Yeah.

7:17At some point, did you start to get a crush on him? Yeah. Yeah, it definitely turned from kind of a mentor, a make-believe mentor to a pretend husband-to-be kind of situation. Yeah, somehow I think I decided that time had completely screwed up and sent Moss to Key Carlisle. and that if he hadn't, if he just hadn't died two years before I was born, then, you know, me and Moss might really have had a chance. How would this thought manifest itself in daily life? Like, would you be out on dates and just think, hmm, not Moss. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it would be like there'd be something missing, you know.

8:09It just wasn't quite what you'd want. And I was like, why can't I find some guy and we'll work on this play together and we'll be like in out of town tryouts in Philadelphia and we'll be up for 48 hours trying to fix our play and then we'll crack it and then we'll order room service.

8:33So how far did the whole thing go?

8:38Well, I think maybe right before the end of college, Kitty Carlisle spoke one evening. At your college? That's right. She was very active in the New York arts scene. She was extremely a huge advocate of the arts in our country. And so she was talking about that, I think. And I stood in line after she spoke to meet her. and there were all these people around me and they were like, you were really good on that game show. And I was just like disgusted like, oh, please. She was in a night at the opera. She's like a singer. She's not just a game show lady. But by the time I got to the front of the line and I went up to talk to her, I said what I wanted to say sort of, which was, you know, Moss changed my life and I moved to New York to be a playwright like him and I think I said something along the lines of your husband meant so much to me and um she just looked at me and she was so she's so elegant and so classy and she just said I I don't understand darling did you know him?

9:54She was just terrified. Really? She looked terrified? Yeah. Because I think she probably heard some kind of ownership or possessiveness in the way I said, your husband meant so much to me, as if I knew him. So I think it was confusing since she probably could figure out that he probably was dead before I was born.

10:22But it was disturbing, and I felt terrible, and it made me realize how, you know, just far from reality this thing had taken me. And, you know, it was just scary to scare her because, you know, she's the person that he loved.

10:45But my friend that was with me was really nice because we walked home afterward, and he was like, Don't worry about her. You're much better for Moss than she was. He knew the whole story too. And Moss was just spending time with her because she happened to be alive.

11:09You know, you talked about how you felt fated for him in some way and drawn to him in some way. Have you thought about what is the line that divides that kind of dreamy, healthy feeling, I think, from a scary, stocky feeling? Yeah, sure. Because the truth is really the way he functioned in my life was like as a comfort. And I knew. I mean, I wasn't really broke. It wasn't a break from reality, but it was the sense that, you know, when you read a book and something speaks to you and you feel like you feel understood. And so it makes the world a less lonely place.

12:01Alexa, how much of your feeling about Moss is connected to your feeling about your grandfather, who you didn't really know? I think they're intimately connected. I really do. I think that because I didn't know my grandfather, I couldn't talk to him about what his life in the theater was like. And so this book gave me 444 pages of what it would be like to want to be in the theater and how you might try to make that happen. And so it was like he was this sort of stand-in for my grandfather in a lot of ways.

12:46and the other part about it is that the way people talk about him because I then of course went and read every single book I could get my hands on about him or that even had any mention of him in it is with such love and appreciation and affection it's just staggering I think that that was how people spoke about my grandfather, and I recognized it. That same enthusiasm and sort of the way their eyes would light up.

13:26Today, before I interview you, you faxed over to our offices here at WBEZ. Hey, I'm going to pull it out here. A letter that your grandfather wrote. in 1969. Obviously, he was quite ill. And it does have this quality of just... It's one of the most beautifully written things I've ever read. Isn't it? It's really something. He spends, I should say, most of this thing, he starts off... This is to his students, right? Dear friends. He says, I've asked Donald Davis, who I would assume is one of his students. One of his co-workers. Co-workers, okay. To read this to you, it's intended to tell you as much as I know about my present situation, and thereby, of course, to let you know what the prospects are for the future of the work we've begun together.

14:17In planning this letter in my mind, I've been pulled this way and that by very conflicting impulses. I prefer to consider any of my own sickness, any deep trouble, as a very personal matter, possibly to be shared with close members of our family, but never to be inflicted on anyone else. At the same time, I detest mysteries. And those of you who have called have, I hope, been told the truth insofar as we knew it. But the truth has been shifting, sometimes very swiftly. And what you may have heard a few weeks back is now untrue. And then he has this really pretty paragraph. He says, besides, though some of you are relatively recent friends, some of our common ties go years back.

14:52And old friends are new. The depth of my feeling for you obliges me to be entirely honest with you. And so I'm going to put the next several paragraphs in parentheses, and I'm asking Donald not to read them aloud. Each of you who wishes to can read it for himself. Anyone who dislikes these semi-clinical details can avoid them. And then there are a couple of paragraphs that basically describe the state of his illness. And then he talks about the prognosis, which is not very good, and through another few paragraphs, and then to this last paragraph. Why don't you read that? Sure.

15:28Uh, doubtless, all of that sounds very gloomy. I do admit I could think of happier matters. For one thing, I don't at all approve of my own extinction. I don't like the idea of it one bit. Though reason assures me that the world can get along very nicely without me, I can't quite believe that it will. Still, there are a few small compensations. For one thing, I had always hoped that I could face my own death with some equanimity, but it's a bit of a satisfaction to find that I can. and he talks about my mom and my grandmother. And it says, And that's really what I'm finally wanting to say. I think you're a great bunch, and in case there isn't a chance to say it again, thanks for your concern, your calls, your note, but above all for your love.

16:13You've had my love, and I've had yours, and I'm a damn fortunate man. So thanks and good luck. Marvin Borowski.

16:32And so this to you feels very much like Hart, too, Moss Hart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like guys who said, you know, I'm a damn fortunate man. You're a swell kid. Yeah.

16:51After spending her 20s in New York, Alexa Young moved to Los Angeles, as her grandfather did, to write screenplays for Hollywood. She's written on shows like Friends, The West Wing, Big Love, Grace and Frankie, and lots more.

17:09Act Two, The Family That Reads Together. Sometimes a book can change your life, but just in a small, temporary way, and not for the better. We have this cautionary tale of how a book infected an entire family from writer David Sedaris. Quick warning to listeners before we begin. Some of the content of this story might not be suitable for every listener, though there is no graphic language, no nasty words, no graphic scenes, nothing, in fact, we even had to bleep. I found the book hidden in the woods beneath a sheet of plywood, its cover torn away and the pages damp with mildew. I read, Brock and Bonnie Rivers stood in their driveway, waving goodbye to the Reverend Hasselbeck.

17:47Goodbye, they said, waving. Goodbye, the Reverend responded. Tell those two teens of yours, Josh and Sandy, that they'll make an excellent addition to our young person's ministry. They're fine kids, he said with a wink. Almost as fine and foxy as their parents. The rivers chuckled, raising their hands in another wave. When the reverend's car finally left the driveway, they stood for a moment in the bright sunshine before descending into the basement dungeon to unshackle the children.

18:25The theme of the book was that people are not always what they seem. Highly respected in their upper-middle-class community, the Rivers family practiced the literal interpretation of the phrase, love thy neighbor. Limber as gymnasts, these people were both shameless and insatiable. Father and daughter, brother and sister, mother and son. After exhausting every possible combination, they widened their circle to include horny sea captains and door-to-door knife salesmen. Yes, these people were naughty, but at the age of 13 I couldn't help but admire their infectious energy and spirited enjoyment of life.

19:12The first few times I read the book I came away shocked, not by the character's behavior, but by the innumerable typos. Had nobody bothered to proofread this book before sending it to print? In the opening chapter, the daughter is caught fondling her brother's keck in the donning room. On page 33, the son has sex with his mother who, we are told, possesses a fond power of tots. I showed the book to my sister Lisa who tore it from my hand saying, let me hold on to this for a while. she and I often swapped babysitting jobs and considered ourselves fairly well read in the field of literary pornography look in the parents bedroom beneath the sweaters in the second drawer of the white dresser she'd say we'd each read the story of O and the collected writings of the Marquis de Sade with one eye on the front door fearful that the homeowners might walk in and torture us with barbed whips and hot oils we know you our looks would say as the parents checked on their sleeping children.

20:19We know all about you.

20:27The book went from Lisa to our 11-year-old sister Gretchen, who interpreted it as a startling non-fiction expose on the American middle class. I'm pretty sure this exact same thing is going on right here in North Hills, she whispered, tucking the book beneath the artificial grass of her Easter basket. Take the Sherman family, for example. Just last week, I saw Heidi sticking her hands down Steve Jr.'s pants. The guy has two broken arms, I said. She was probably just tucking in his shirt. Would you ask one of us to tuck in your shirt, she asked. She had a point. A careful study suggested that the Shermans were not the people they pretended to be.

21:09The father was often seen tugging at his crotch, and the wife had a disturbing habit of looking you straight in the eye while sniffing her fingers. A veil had been lifted, especially for Gretchen, who now saw the world as a steaming pit of unbridled sexuality. Seated on a lounge chair at the country club, she would narrow her eyes, speculating on the children crowding the shallow end of the pool. I have a sneaking suspicion Christine Youngblood might be our half-sister, she said. She's got her father's chin, but the eyes and mouth are pure mom. I felt uneasy implicating our parents, but Gretchen provided a wealth of frightening evidence.

21:52She noted the way our mother applied lipstick at the approach of the potato chip delivery man, whom she addressed by first name and often invited in to use the bathroom. Our father referred to the bank tellers as doll and sweetheart, and their responses suggested that he had taken advantage of them one time too many. The Greek Orthodox Church, the gaily dressed couples at the country club, even our elderly collie Duchess, they were all in on it, according to Gretchen, who took to piling furniture against her bedroom door before going to sleep at night.

22:35The book wound up in the hands of our 10-year-old sister Amy, who used it as a textbook in the make-believe class she held after school each day. Dressed in a wig and high heels, she passed her late afternoon standing before a blackboard and imitating her teachers. I'm very sorry, Candace, but I'm going to have to fail you, she'd say, addressing one of the empty folding chairs arranged before her. The problem is not that you don't try. The problem is that you're stupid. Very, very stupid. Isn't Candace stupid, class? She's ugly, too. Am I wrong? Very well, Candace. You can sit back down now. And for God's sakes, please stop crying.

23:17Okay, class, now I'm going to read to you from this week's new book. It's a story about a California family, and it's called Next of Kin. If Amy had read the book, then surely it had been seen by eight-year-old Tiffany, who shared her bedroom, and possibly by her brother Paul, who at the age of two might have sucked on the binding, which was even more dangerous than reading it. Clearly this had to stop before it got out of hand. Even our ancient Greek grandmother was arriving at the breakfast table with suspicious-looking circles beneath her eyes.

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23:53Gretchen took the book and hid it under the carpet of her bedroom, where it was discovered by our housekeeper, Lena, who eventually handed it over to her mother. I'll make sure this is properly disposed of, my mother said, hurrying down the hallway to her bedroom. Penetration, she laughed, reading out loud from a randomly selected page. Oh, this ought to be good.

24:24Weeks later, Gretchen and I found the book hidden between the mattress and box springs of my parents' bed. The pages stained with coffee rings and cigarette ash. The discovery seemed to validate all of Gretchen's suspicions. They'll be coming for us any day now, she warned. Be prepared, my friend, because this time they'll be playing for keeps. We waited. I'd always made it a point to kiss my mother before going to bed, but not anymore. The feel of her hand on my shoulder now made my flesh crawl. She was hemming a pair of my pants one afternoon when, standing before her on a kitchen chair, I felt her hands graze my butt.

25:07I just want to be friends, I stammered. Nothing more, nothing less. She took the pins out of her mouth and studied me for a moment before sighing. Damn, and here you've been leading me on all this time. I read the book once more, hoping to recapture my earlier pleasure. but it was too late now. I couldn't read the phrase, he paunched his daughter's rock-hard nopples, without thinking of Gretchen barricading herself in the bedroom. I thought I might throw the book away or maybe even burn it, but like a perfectly good outgrown sweater, it seemed a shame to destroy it when the world was full of people who might get some use out of it.

25:49With this in mind, I carried the book to the grocery store parking lot and tossed it into the back of a shining new pickup truck. I then took up my post beside the store's outdoor venting machines, waiting until the truck's owner returned pushing a cart full of groceries. He was a wiry man with fashionable mutton-chopped sideburns and a half-cast on his arm. As he placed his bags into the back of the truck, his eyes narrowed upon the book. I watched as he picked it up and leafed through the first few pages before raising his head to search the parking lot. He took a cigarette from his pocket and tapped it against the roof of the truck before lighting it.

26:29Then he slipped a book into his pocket and drove away.

26:43David Sedaris. The story appears in his book, Naked. His latest book is called The Land and Its People. Coming up, the frontier. Then, and then. That's in a minute. I'm Chicago Public Radio. When our program continues. Support for This American Life comes from GoodRx. This allergy season, the whole family can get relief without overpaying. Seasonal allergy medication starts at just$10 with GoodRx. GoodRx lets you compare prescription prices at over 70 ,000 pharmacies and instantly find discounts up to 80%. GoodRx is not insurance, but even if you have insurance or Medicare, GoodRx may beat your copay.

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28:05Support for This American Life comes from Wise, the app for international people using money around the globe. You can send, spend, and receive in up to 40 currencies with only a few simple taps. Be smart. Get Wise. Download the WISE app today or visit WISE.com. T's and C's apply. It's This American Life, Am I or Glass. Each week on a program, of course, we choose a theme, bringing a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme. Today's program is a rerun, the book that changed my life. We've arrived at Act 3 of our show, Act 3, Roger and me, Lewis and Clark. There's book as literature, there's book as filth, and then there's book as pure physical object.

28:45This is the story of somebody for whom a book changed his life, though it is almost random that it happened at all, that he got to know this book in the first place. Jeremy Goldstein tells the story. Roger was 34, working in construction and looking for things to do in his spare time. And one day he noticed this plate he'd been given by his grandmother, a plate from a 1905 fair celebrating the centennial of Lewis and Clark's expedition to explore the western frontier. He looked at the plate and wondered if there was anything else left from the fair still around. It turned out there was a lot. and he started buying it up.

29:19It was a fun hobby, collecting the various memorabilia from that fair. But when you reach a point where I had about 1 ,100 items, one of the larger collections known, it was, you know, the end of the treasure hunt. And I couldn't find anything I didn't have. And somebody mentioned, well, why don't you collect books about Lewis and Clark? I thought, well, that might be kind of fun to do.

29:48So in 1984, he went to a book dealer in Vancouver and picked out an 80-year-old set of books that chronicled Lewis and Clark's expedition. The price? $695. I had a difficult time writing out that check because at that time, in fact, I really didn't know much about books. I proceeded to take that set of books downtown in Portland to an established book dealer whose name was Prest McMahon, and I showed him the set. I said, well, that's it, isn't it? That's all the journals. And he kind of chuckled. He said, no, there's a lot more publications than that about the journals of Lewis and Clark. And so I went ahead and said, well, I tell you what.

30:32I said, you give me about five years, I'm going to have every book published about Lewis and Clark. And he laughed so hard he about laughed himself out of his chair.

30:46He was a heavy-set gentleman in his late 60s at the time. And he said, there's people that have spent lifetimes looking for every book of Lewis and Clark and have never succeeded. Well, I told him, well, maybe I won't have every book, but I'll have the best library of anybody in the United States. And he laughed harder.

31:13Strange as it may sound, this is all it took to send Roger on his path of amassing, in just 14 years, what did become the largest known private collection of Lewis and Clark books in the United States. And all this time he kept working in construction, excavating landscapes, laying pipes for sewers and paving roads. A decent living, but it was never enough. anything after house payment and basic expenses for living would go toward buying books. I would have to work 10 to 12 hours a day, normally six days a week. Some summers I wouldn't take a day off just so that I could work and have a little better check so maybe I could get that next book or make that other credit card payment because I was now beyond my means.

32:02At one point, Roger had 12 credit cards. And then, of course, I had a house I could refinance, which I did three times. I don't know how to explain it exactly, but if there was a book out there that I didn't have, I would find the means to acquire it.

32:25When you get something in the 18th, 19th century, you open up the book and you look at the discoloration of the pages and the smell. And that's when you really feel the true energy of history. Not what you would read, but you've got more senses than just your eyes. You can smell, you can feel, you can touch.

33:06This actually points to one of the strangest things about Roger's relationship with his collection. He knew all about the different Lewis and Clark books, marbled endpapers, obscure hand-tinted plates, and the value of original boards. But Roger never became an expert on what was inside the books. He didn't collect books to read them. He just wanted to own them.

33:30It turns out that your life can be changed by books you didn't even read. In fact, Roger had never been a reader of books. He didn't read books as a kid. He didn't go to college. And his reading habits didn't change as an adult when his house was full of books. As a collector, Roger was undeterred and he was methodical. But after 10 years, one book still eluded him. It's the cornerstone of any serious Lewis and Clark collection, a first edition copy of the first official account of the expedition. It's a two-volume set, published in 1814. Fewer than 1 ,500 copies were ever printed. But the price tag, often around$10 ,000, had always scared Roger off.

34:10Then in 1994, he took a$49 flight to Los Angeles for the L.A. Book Fair. That particular day, I got there early. and then there was somewhat of a race when they opened up the gate they would actually have to stand slow down slow down don't run it was like kids running running for the opening of a carnival i sauntered just casually i didn't run to william reese's booth and introduced myself oh yeah hi roger and and uh i says did you bring anything about Lewis and Clark with you. He turned and looked toward the glass case. And there are sets, a two-volume set of 1814, Lewis and Clark journals. And this set was beautiful.

34:59And I was just, oh, I was shaking. I wanted this set so bad. And I looked at him and I said, what, what, what do you, what, what's the price? Bill said, well,$12 ,500. I was crushed. I knew it was beyond me.

35:30You know, so as I kind of backed away and started to walk away from the booth, just knowing, shaking my head to myself, I can't afford them. There's no way I can get, I've got to have this set of books. somehow I've got it I can't afford these books I can't there's no way I gotta have this set of books how the hell can I do it she's I better go to the bar I walked to the bar got a shot of scotch

36:01I walked back to the booth with my scotch in hand and I I can I look at those again And Bill, yeah, sure. Took them off the shelf, set them on the counter. He says, well, Roger, what can you afford? I says, I don't know. I says, we're not working. This is a slow time of the year. I might be able to do$1 ,000 a month, but Bill, you know, we're not working now. I don't know, maybe in May or June, you know, when we start working overtime. And he said, well, do you want them? And I said, yeah, but gosh, I can't. And before I could finish the conversation, Mr. Reese had turned around and took these books, put them in the bag, wrapped them up, turned around, put out his hand and shook my hand and said, that sounds good enough to me.

37:07The 1814 became Roger's calling card. It established him as an expert in all things written about Lewis and Clark. And then something happened. Roger started to read his books. Before this, he'd occasionally pull out a book and read a random passage. But now he started to plow through whole books front to back. Now it's my time to study the books. Let's look at this book that's in front of me. I've got it open to, just by chance, a passage that brings a lot of pleasure to me. The passage comes about halfway through the expedition. After 18 months of looking for a route to the ocean, they finally reach the Pacific.

37:47And here they finally, we are in view of the ocean, this great Pacific ocean, which we have so long anxious to see. The roaring and the noise made by the waves, breaking on the rocky shores, may be heard distinctly, ocean in view, oh, the joy. So in this passage, place yourself on the banks of the Columbia River looking out toward the ocean. You know, I mean, you know, I'd be jumping up and down screaming, where is that gill of whiskey, which they didn't have at that time, unfortunately. I mean, they would have taken a gallon and all chugged it, and they'd have just been sloshed on the banks and just partying forever.

38:32I mean, it's great. What a feeling of success. It just brings a great pleasure to myself. Ocean and view, oh the joy.

38:54Last week, Roger made a pilgrimage of sorts to see, for the first time, the original handwritten journals that Lewis and Clark kept during their expedition. They're the books that everything Roger ever bought are descended from. Most of the journals are stored at the American Philosophical Society in Philadelphia. They're in remarkable condition. As a librarian turned the book's crisp pages for Roger, flipping past detailed maps and intricate drawings of animals, Roger barely moved or spoke. This is Clark's map of Great Falls of the Columbia. You're seeing it upside down. At one point, Roger asked, could he touch them?

39:33He was told no. And after less than an hour with the journals, we wandered back into the library's main reading room. The book has altered my life from being a manual laborer to being a scholar of knowledge from the interior of the book.

40:03Stephen Beckham, a professor at Lewis and Clark, once said that, well, Roger, you can't put yourself down for being a construction foreman. And he said, that's a school of another type. He says, you know, I love school and I love education. And he says, and now that you're entering that field with us, he says, I have great respect for what you've done and what you know. And it makes me feel great.

40:30In the years since Roger began collecting, the value of all things Lewis and Clark has soared. Stephen Ambrose wrote a popular book on daunted courage. Ken Burns did a documentary. These fueled the fire. And last fall, Roger arranged for Lewis and Clark College in Portland to purchase his entire collection for what amounts to a small fortune. He promptly retired from construction at the age of 54. I just smiled. I just smiled. And I walked in, sat down, leaned back in the chair, and thought, wow, a whole new life. I don't have an alarm clock now. I mean, I've got one, but it's not in use. When my body says to get up in the morning, I get up.

41:17I stretch, do some light exercises, have a nice relaxing breakfast. Any of those in construction industry now listening to this, eat your hearts out. Most of Roger's days are now spent in the library of Lewis and Clark College, where Doug Erickson is the chief archivist. Roger's known him for years. You know, Roger would oftentimes get off of work when he was still working construction and not even clean up and come over to Lewis and Clark and spend time with me. And we'd chat and talk about books, go on the Internet and look at books on Lewis and Clark and other things. But he was tired. He was very tired and he looked like, you know, he'd just gone through a hard day of labor on a construction site.

42:03Now you see Roger, he strolls in sometime in the morning whenever he feels like it. He walks in feeling like a king. and then I usually go up to the Heritage Room and I just sit there and immerse myself into that. And of course I'm surrounded by the books. It's a wonderful feeling being in there. And he goes up there and he works. And every couple of, oh, every hour or two, he'll come down all excited. Doug, you've got to come here and see this. And I'll come upstairs and he'll show me something and we'll get excited about it. And I see him in the Heritage Room for many years to come, writing books and having people coming and talk to him and just enjoying the rest of his life.

42:52That story by Jeremy Goldstein. In 2023, years after we first broadcast this story, Roger Wendler died. Before he did, he wrote a book called Shotgun on My Chest, memoirs of a Lewis and Clark book collector.

43:12Act four, Little Sod Houses for you and me. When you really love a book, what exactly are you supposed to do with that feeling after you've finished reading the book and then perhaps finish reading about the book? If you feel strongly enough about the book, I think there is this impulse to somehow get closer to the book, to somehow try and conjure the world of the book right here in the real world somehow. So if you read about a Broadway playwright, maybe you move to New York City and start writing plays. Or if you already live in New York City, but the book takes place somewhere else, you head out there.

43:44Megan Daum has this story. I'm moving to Nebraska. No one understands why. I've lived in New York City for seven years, which is essentially all of my adult life. And a few months ago, I started making plans to head out west. Not all the way west, to California or Oregon, which people from around here might understand, but to the Great Plains. I wanted to move someplace flat and treeless, someplace that gives off a sense of how big this country used to be before automobiles and the jet age, before you could be cavalier about traveling from one place to another. There are a lot of reasons behind my move, but one of the reasons has to do with a book.

44:25With nine books, as a matter of fact. They are the books written by Laura Ingalls Wilder about her childhood as a pioneer girl on the vast Midwestern prairie in the late 1800s. When I was a little girl, growing up nearly 100 years later in the 1970s, I wanted to be like Laura so much that I made my mother sew me a sunbonnet, which I wore constantly. Like Laura, I wore my hair in braids. Before I knew how to write, I drew picture books featuring the entire Ingalls family. It was always a variation on the same theme. A family moves to a new home, encounters hardships, and through a particular combination of self-reliance and hard work, makes a life for themselves in the new place.

45:08A place so remote, so unsettled, so cold, that no civilization, not even most Indians, had ever dared to live there. To me, this kind of uncharted life was the best kind to have. And it was even better that it required a sun bonnet.

45:31She taught at three schools. The first one was the Brewster School, and that's where Almanzo would take her down and pick her up. It was about 12 miles to the southwest. I'm in DeSmet, South Dakota, riding a horse-drawn wagon around the actual land that the Ingalls lived on. Our tour guide is Tim Sullivan. Tim and his wife, Joan, own the 154 acres of land that Laura's father, Charles Ingalls, claimed in 1880 as part of the Homestead Act. This is an old trapper's cabin that we're going to fix up. We haven't gotten it done. That's the only thing we haven't gotten done. A lot of people think the Ingalls are from Walnut Grove, Minnesota, because that's where the television series was set.

46:12But in fact, they only lived there for a few years. Laura came to Dismet in 1879, when she was 12. It was where she grew up, became a school teacher, and met and married Almanza Wilder. Six of her books are set there. For those who remember, it's the place where Laura and her sister Mary, who was blind, got lost in the tall, wet grasses known as the Big Slough. It's the place where the family survived the long winter, and it was the place she always considered home. So when she talked about walking through the cool ground, walking to the Perry School, if you can see when we're going home, it's wet there.

46:50That's why it would have been cool.

46:54There's a certain kind of town that is defined solely by one industry, like steel towns, where at least one member of every family works in the mill. De Smet is sort of like that too, except the industry is a series of books. Every year for the past 29 years, the townspeople have put on a pageant based on Laura's life. Just about everyone in this town of 1 ,200 has participated in the pageant, or at least had one family member who was put on 1880-style clothing at one time or another and given tours at the museum or given some hapless tourist directions to the cemetery where caravans of family cars wind around the grounds looking for the burial sites of Charles, Caroline, Mary, Carrie, and Grace Ingalls.

47:38Almost every establishment in DeSmet, even the local bar, has restrooms labeled Ma and Pa.

47:52But even though De Smet is, for all intents and purposes, a tourist town, it doesn't feel like one. Instead, it feels like a town with a hobby, a place where a lot of people devote a lot of time to one particular idea. The tourists, though they're greeted in that typically warm, Midwestern way, feel almost incidental to the larger cause of celebrating Laura. I talked to a man who had acted in the pageant for 27 years, missing only two performances the whole time, one of them because of a combine accident in which he lost his finger and his son was impaled and almost died. He was back on stage the next night.

48:30His wife, Ildina, had driven them to the hospital and witnessed a pretty gory series of medical procedures performed, by the way, without anesthesia. The night of the accident, her husband had one request of her. He says, well, you have to go on. I was playing Ma at the time, and so I did perform that night. And I think I was probably in shock myself because it went fairly well. But it was on Sunday night is where I kind of fell apart. I did it, but I forgot a few lines. But we made it.

49:07Laura's books have a lot to do with the notion of rising to the occasion, and the pageant demands countless hours of volunteer effort, cooperation, and manual labor done without complaint. In a way, this kind of idyllic, romantic work ethic is not what I expected when I came to De Smet. Or, I should say, it is what I expected, and that's what took me by surprise. Traditionally in a story like this, the writer goes to the place she's dreamt of and finds that it's not like what she imagined at all. But the remarkable thing about De Smet is that it really is the little town on the prairie. The people are a bit like the people in Laura's books.

49:45They're proud of the land they live on, and in a strange way, it's as if Laura's powers of description have affected the way they talk about the place. And it's beautiful out here in the prairie this evening looking at the big slough. Heard of cattle over there. I think it looks just like it did in Laura's day. Not all the buildings on the other side, but the big slough is the same. I like the way the blackbirds swing in the reeds, the way the cattails bloom, the puddles of water. Sometimes ducks and geese come in and land. Marion Kramer is the author of the Laura Ingalls Wilder pageant. We're sitting at a picnic table on the Ingalls homestead.

50:27A busy day of tourism is winding down. Visitors are getting back in their minivans. Tim Sullivan's eight-year-old son, Brian, is assembling his costume for the pageant dress rehearsal. Marion is 65. So how much different was your life from Laura's when you were reading these books? Well, I guess my childhood was before electricity, before running water. And I lived on a working farm and there were chores. There was responsibility. That's why I liked the Laura books so well, because Laura had to do the same things I had to do. We had cattle and hogs and sheep, and we grew wheat and corn. It was a wonderful time.

51:11Family was very important. Life seemed simpler then because we didn't do so many things and go so much, but I'm not sure that it was.

51:29Do you remember when you first got electricity and water? And what was that like? Well, it was just lovely. We had electricity came in 48. And they had been working for a long time putting the lines in. And finally the lines were all in and they were all hooked up. We were just waiting for the major flow of energy. and then the electricity was on and it was the first time. And that night as it got dark, I remember my father and my mother and my sister and one of my older brothers, we stood there and looked because suddenly it wasn't a black country anymore. We could see our neighbor's lights. Made it seem a lot less lonesome, a lot less isolated.

52:21Marion was a music teacher for many years before becoming a pioneer school teacher on the Ingalls Homestead. Every day she hangs out in the one-room schoolhouse, which looks exactly the way Laura describes her classroom at the Brewster School in her book These Happy Golden Years. Marion gives brief music and math lessons to the tourists and then has the class read a quote from Laura off the blackboard. The quote goes something like, It's best to be truthful and honest and make the best of what we have. Somehow it sounds revelatory.

52:58The prairie is the only place I've been to in my life where you can make the simplest, sweetest, even, I dare say, most cliched statement about the virtues of a simple life, and it sounds like anything but a cliché. It's as if the wind, which barrels through here like a wild animal, just knocks the irony out of everything. After a long day working at the Ingalls homestead, Joan Sullivan, Tim's wife, walks me down to the edge of the big slough. The grass is taller than we are, and it's easy to see how Mary and Laura could have gotten lost here. You know, there's still some honesty in the world, you know, and that's what Laura talked about.

53:34You know, it's good to be truthful and honest and to, you know, do what's right. And that's, I guess, what, you know, being here isn't always easy. It's a lot of hard work, and you wonder, you know, will the whole thing work out, you know, to be able to keep it running. But there's something about taking those morals and passing that on to a family. Do you think that has to do with farming, or do you think it's something about the time that Laura was living in, or a combination of those? Probably a combination of those. Trying to make an honest dollar. A farmer works hard. They feed the world.

54:18Why, hello. I'm glad so many of you have come to our little town on the prairie, Indy Smith. This is especially fine country, this prairie. At this time of the year, this is the hour that daylight softens and twilight falls. Oh, please forgive me. Sometimes I get a little carried away. The Laura Ingalls Wilder pageant runs for three weekends each summer. Admission is$5. About 700 people come each night. It's held right in the middle of the prairie, on land adjacent to the Ingalls homestead. From the pageant site, you can see the five cottonwood trees that Pa planted, one for each of my girls, he said, meaning Ma and his four daughters.

55:08The dialogue in the pageant has been prerecorded. When the pageant is actually performed, the cast members lip-sync the words and pantomime the action. This technique has its benefits and its perils. During the first performance this year, the actor playing Pa missed his cue, and his words came booming down onto the stage even though he wasn't there. The actors playing Mary and Laura and Ma carried on, talking to an invisible Pa like he was the voice of God. Pa, is it on Indian land, or land we'll have to move from? Not on Indian land, my pretty girl. This is surveyed land. Just wait for us to call it home.

55:47I want a place that's open, where I can run with the wind. Lots of room, Laura. It'll be the Ingalls Homestead. Doesn't that sound fine?

56:03I am completely charmed by this pageant. Yes, there are mistakes. Yes, you can hear places on the soundtrack where the tape has been edited. But all I can think as I watch these people on stage, many of them farmers, retired farmers, and the wives and kids of farmers, is how effectively they capture the feeling of the book. They're not selling anything. There's no agenda other than to celebrate Laura and the fact that she cared enough about this town to write these books about it.

56:34It's dusk on the prairie. Literally. That doesn't sound like something you'd say in earnest. It sounds like a lyric in some cowboy folk song, or a particularly bad line in a romance novel. But it's not. It is, simply, dusk on the prairie. Little girls in sweaters and pants from the Gap are wearing sunbonnets and standing on the benches to get a better look. Fathers with fussy babies stroll around the field so their wives can watch the pageant undisturbed. An eight-year-old girl in sneakers and jeans runs through the grass, the wind whipping through her hair, her sunbonnet flying out behind her.

57:17The pageant is a huge hit. When the show's over, the audience storms the stage to get the autographs of cast members. People are saying it's the best thing they've ever seen, that this trip to Dismet is the best vacation they've ever had. It's remarkable, really, that in a time when families can take vacations to Disney World or visit Great Adventure or even just stay home and watch TV, people will travel all the way to South Dakota to see a world that's described in a series of books. The Ingalls family managed to make homes for themselves in some of the most unforgiving conditions imaginable, in a cabin in the deep woods, in the banks of a creek, in a shanty surrounded by hundreds of flat, empty acres.

58:01But no matter where they lived, Pa played his fiddle, Ma did her sewing, and Laura managed to find delight in the world around her. Maybe that ability to merge the indoors and the outdoors, the familiar and the unfamiliar, is what all these people are responding to. Maybe that's why there's so much romance and the whole notion of a cabin stuck out in the middle of nowhere. People want to find comfort in an inherently uncomfortable place. They want to see if they can make it through the long winter and still see the beauty in the snow.

58:40Megan Daum. Two weeks after we first aired this story, Megan left New York City for Nebraska. She lived there for several years. She's since written a bunch of books, moved back and forth across the country a few more times, just like Laura Ingalls Wilder. You can find Megan's writing and a link to her podcast, her very interesting podcast, at meagandaum.com. By the way, these days, the actors in the pageant about Laura's life on the prairie actually speak their own lines themselves. Thanks to the advent of inexpensive wireless microphones, they no longer lip-sync to a pre-recorded track.

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  • Prologue: When Alexa was seven, she started going through her grandfather's books. Her grandfather was a playwright and teacher, and through the books—and especially through his notes in the margins—she entered the world of 1930's American theater. And she found a book that changed her life: writer Moss Hart's autobiography Act One. (5 minutes)
  • Act One: More of Alexa Junge and how Moss Hart's autobiography changed her life. She followed his path, learned specific lessons, and had a vision of him that was absolutely clear—until she met his widow. (10 minutes)
  • Act Two: A book that changed a family's life—temporarily, and not for the better. David Sedaris on what happened when he found a dirty book in the woods and passed it along to his sisters. (9 minutes)
  • Act Three: Reporter Jeremy Goldstein tells the story of a man who had many books change his life, even though he'd never read them. (14 minutes)
  • Act Four: Writer Meghan Daum travels to De Smet, South Dakota—where Laura Ingalls Wilder lived and set most of her Little House books. What surprises her is how much it matches what she'd imagined. The people there seem to be genuinely living by the values Laura wrote about. (15 minutes)

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