#569 - Andrew Schulz

27:14Yeah, but maybe because there is no completely factual truth. That could be it, too. I think that's the thing. I think it was probably easier when there's a few different news channels to disseminate information. We all agree on more. Hey, this is what happened during the Civil War. Right. This is what happened during the Revolutionary War. This is what happened during World War II. I didn't even know Russia did anything during World War II until a few years ago. I found out 25 million Russians died in World War II. Nuh-uh. Yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. Pull that up. How many Russians died in World War II?

27:41That's unbelievable. You don't ever hear about that. Never hear. But why would we teach that? Right. You know? But it gives you a different concept of who did what. 27 million. Wow. Oh, my God. Yeah. 19 million civilian deaths, 8.7 million military deaths. That's the thing with Russia. What? It's tricky. It's like. So they were an allied force, right? Yeah. And then immediately afterwards, you know, we started beefing in the Cold War and all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, we had a united cause at one point in time. because I think Hitler invaded Russia. Oh, wow. Yeah, but the problem with invading Russia is they have a cultural acceptance of misery.

28:20Right, so they kind of like it in the beginning. Is that what you're saying? Of war, you're saying? They're like, oh, finally, we're back to homeostasis. Be our guest, be our guest. I don't know. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. I just feel like Americans, we like it. We like nice shit. We like being comfortable. We're brave. That's what I will say. Like, I don't have concerns about us losing a war because I do think that we value freedom. Like, I don't think we would ever accept being controlled by another country. I think that the majority of us would rather die before that happened. Or we just don't know that it's happening.

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34:41it'll be fine Candace it's we're joking it's all jokes but yeah I mean but the worst if you see a Charleston White video before you go to sleep if that's the last one you see that's a wild dude Charleston have you had him on your show? nah have you? uh uh that's a wild dude man he is just so unpredictable every the next sentence he says is also one of these things where it's like people who say wild shit can also be hilarious let's stop acting like both of those can't be true you know what I mean? like him Dr. Umar, I love Dr. Umar. I've been trying to get Dr. Umar on my show forever. Really? He thinks, well, he thinks I want to debate him.

35:17Oh, yeah. And I don't think he understands that, like, I'm just a fan. Like, I just think he's a hilarious communicator. Does the culture, does black culture fuck with Dr. Umar or no? As the spokesman for black culture, I would say yes. Yeah, I would say yes. That's fair. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah, because I know sometimes people are iffy on Charleston White and the black culture, you know? Yeah. Yeah, because I feel like maybe it's like his position is more critical. Right. Whereas maybe Dr. Umar also has the same critiques of certain things. But he is like, hey, we're black first and we got to stay united.

35:51We got to lock this down. We got to do what's best for the community. But he is a magnificently gifted speaker. He just talks in sound bites. He has this pastoral repetition. Remember early Chris Rocca, who you would repeat the premise over and over again? And it kind of just emblazoned. Into your head. But yeah, man. Have you ever talked to him? Charleston White? No, no. Dr. Umar? Yeah. You're familiar with him, right? I just heard about him, no joking, one week ago. No way. Somebody mentioned, have you seen Dr. Umar? I think my buddy Zita told me about him and showed me him. Oh, dude. I thought this.

36:27Oh, I thought that was fucking Kendrick Perkins or whatever. I just saw this guy. So you thought Dr. Umar was moonlighting on TNT? And now everybody's just trusting. Everything he says. I was like, how did he fucking change? You're like, why is Drewski going to him for dating advice? Why is Kendrick Perkins... They got Drew and I, bro. That they came after Drewski. Yeah, that bullshit-ass claim against Odell, too. That's the thing. And then, like, whatever girl did that shit, like, we'll never hear from her again, so you can just say these stupid shit. It's just... You should have to go to jail for that.

37:04Yeah. You should have to go to jail for that shit. Yeah. Because he has to go out and say, I didn't do it. Like, that's a crazy thing to have to say as a human. Jay-Z had to say that shit. And then they just dropped the lawsuit. Did you see that? Against Jay-Z? Yeah. And then, again, nobody even notices when the lawsuit's dropped. The lawsuit gets dropped. It's like, you got to scream it from the rooftops or else nobody will pay attention. I know. And that goes to that, like, hater shit with the successful. It's like, that story was so popular because there was probably a lot of people that were like, man, fuck Jay-Z for having a perfect wife and an amazing family and a child and billions of dollars.

37:36yeah he probably did that shit damn and so then they'll be the other ones tweeting it sharing it everything and there's bots now i mean it's just it's definitely bizarre you got to trust your own gut but yeah you could see an article it's the last thing you saw and then you're like people are like damn wasn't that guy addicted to drugs you're like that guy is just won an oscar it's just like you know i'm saying if you didn't tap in and what's been going on you know it's all crazy man you'll see stories about yourself that are crazy i saw a story that i was like a all a jar cheese child or something from the third generation or something and i was like like a billionaire stepchild or whatever and i was like what are you fucking i was like is my dad if we had any money yeah they'd never no one ever had it but yo here's the thing with that story is like that story is just to discredit you right like if you come from crazy money everybody gets to go i see it's not real and he actually didn't have to experience this kind of traumatic childhood and like this is all bullshit.

38:35It's like the story is specifically designed to cut your legs out from under you. It's like why do people want to do that? Why is that? And maybe it's in all human beings. Maybe it's just something that we have to grapple with. But I imagine like the more confident you are in yourself, the more happy you could be for people who get success. Yeah, that's a good point, man. I think realizing that, I think for a while you come from like a scarcity mentality, you know, where you're like, man, shit's not going to like, fuck somebody's something bad's gonna you know this ain't gonna be okay this is gonna go away right this starts to change or like the government's just gonna come and take everything from you you can't believe that it's happened after so many years of trying yeah and then also you like you don't know how to have like things and so you're like well dude i remember being ashamed of myself when i didn't have anything and being ashamed of myself when i did have something but it was really crazy it was like i tried to hide always mask my life because i didn't want people thinking that seeing that i didn't have anything or that i didn't feel like i was anything and then even when I got a house in Nashville it's a nice home it's not like you know some crazy it's a it's a nice home but it's not like a billion dollar home or anything but um I didn't want to show people my living I just didn't want them to see like you know I don't know it's just fucking crazy it was like so in the end there was some part of me that just didn't want to be that either only cared about what you thought or just didn't want to be happy for myself no matter what and then you can never feel comfortable no matter where you are in this in this journey man And it's, and that's, I guess, what is, what would they say?

40:03That, that comes down to like self-acceptance. It's like once you accept it, like you, you should be entitled to your success and you work hard for it. Then you're not as dependent on like the validation of others. I know. But it's hard to get away from that. I think, I don't know if it's hard. Some things like doing ayahuasca, that kind of stuff has helped a lot of that stuff go away though. Yeah. That kind of stuff's been, been, um. You've done that a few times? Oh yeah. Yeah. I like it, dude. Really? Yeah. You do it enough times. They give you this jacket. Oh, yeah, definitely. Some guy walks out of the jungle in Costa Rica.

40:34Jaqueta, para ti. You get a punch card. Before that, I was control. You get an Eagles, a Letterman jacket. That is so ridiculous, dude. That is cool. You know who told me? Neil told me that. Oh, yeah. Neil Brennan became the, he became like this connector. Go on. But no, I think that's kind of what it is. Like, you know, Neil is, one of his superpowers is his cynicism. you know, like he's constantly consumed. I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, but he's constantly consumed of like what the worst case scenario of something would be or what the worst, what the worst person would think about the thing he's doing.

41:12And what's, what's good about that is like when you're creating stuff, you, there's a, there's an advantage in that you're always thinking about what your biggest critic could say. So maybe you really try to sharpen every premise and sharpen every joke and make sure there's no fat and it's like infallible and the negative aspect about that is that like if you're just creating for them it's hard to create something authentically and then he said he was like listen after i did that like that voice started to dim a bit and like i didn't have i wasn't constantly consumed with the critic and i was able to make i think my best shit i think that's true it's like it's hard to create authentically when you're worried about what critics would say like you're just making shit for them you know like for somebody especially when your whole life you've only tried to you've gained a lot of your acceptance from other people yeah you know i think that's probably been a lot of my life but i didn't even know who i was there wasn't a me so the only thing there was was your reaction yeah so i didn't fucking do you think you found yourself i think it's gotten better as i've gotten older i think some of it is getting older you just kind of like i can't fucking whoever you are motherfucker we gotta come out we ain't got a lot of time left bro you've been hiding for 40 years my boy like enjoy some of this shit we got a new jacket hey man come on out man we gotta we gotta figure this shit out you just getting tired of it that's funny that's great dude uh yeah so i don't know but i think also you just get older you're like there's just no you're whatever part of you that still cares about that shit starts to go away I think it's just exhausted too.

42:48I'm chasing its tail kind of. Maybe that's the release for you with something like Ayahuasca where instead of like constantly searching for what it is and who you are, you do feel connected to whatever this greater existence is. And you just get to go, okay, I'm not going to fucking worry all day about what exactly I am and what I don't have and just be this bottomless pit that a lot of us in entertainment can be. Like there is – and maybe that's what you need. Maybe you need that reminder. yeah maybe you need that reminder you're part of something bigger yeah i think that uh that's a good point because once you feel like you're part of something bigger there's some connection then you kind of don't just think about yourself you're not as isolated yeah you're not it's it's when it's it's there's something liberating about knowing things are way bigger than you yeah when it's not bigger than you it's very easy to get caught in your own head it's fuck it's a lot of pressure i imagine if you're just thinking about you and like how you're being perceived and if you're becoming the man you thought you would be and you know if you feel comfortable with the success you've had how other people will react to that success oh yeah that's crippling that's yeah there's a lot of stuff that's kind of like scary i think as you get older i think yeah popularity is kind of scary watching your own ego and being conscious of like what is your ego and what is just you trying to have some self-confidence in yourself especially if some of those things are kind of like you're like kind of a late bloomer and some of that shit's happening you know can be happen simultaneously it's all yeah what's an example of that can i mean even some of like thinking about i knew something about politics it was like just the fact that it took me a couple weeks to realize dude you don't know about fucking politics like yeah you got to talk to some political people um but do and how much do they really know and but it's like don't that's a trap right what do you know about you know about like being curious you know about like wanting to talk to different people you know about trying to be funny you know i think i think politics is always is a reflection of culture.

44:39Like politics is downstream from cultural needs and necessities. And I think that one of the things that's made you so successful is I think you're deeply connected to culture. Like you're aware of what people are feeling. You're aware of what they're frustrated by. And regardless if there's like data analysis to back up every single one of those claims, like to me, that doesn't mean anything. Like you can list out all the facts you fucking want, but like you're aware of people's frustrations. and um politicians have to react to that so you don't need to know like what fucking senator is pushing what bill because they're all reacting to the thing that you're more acutely aware of probably than even them yeah yeah i guess it like you can't be a comedian if or at least a high performing comedian if you're not in touch with like what people are feeling yeah like i at its core i think that's really what makes somebody a good comic it's like yeah and how to stay like just how to like stay and stay connected to that type of thing.

45:37I guess, you know? And sometimes with success, it's harder to connect to it. And it's also harder for them to connect to you. That's probably why you want to hide the house in Nashville. You're like, fuck, well, they feel like they can't relate to me because of this new life I live. That's something that like, so I grew up in New York city, right? And like in the city grew up. Yeah. I grew up in Manhattan. And one of the things about growing up in Manhattan, it's incredibly humbling. like you never feel you were in the newsies you were not in the newsies I was in newsies were you really? no I was in newsies have people asked you that before?

46:13no no you're the first person I can't remember when that was but I love that movie good little movie I think Christian Bale was in that shit yeah yeah crutchy that little guy he's like give me the paint so fucking that was my childhood just saying fucking bullshit you got a fucking kid on one crutch hiking through fucking so I can sell the newspaper Hiking up the LIC with a fucking sack of newspapers, dude. LIE. LIE. The LIE with a sack of newspapers, man. But anyway, you just humble constantly. You never feel like you got money. There's always somebody way richer. There's always somebody with a way better job.

46:47There's always somebody with a better career. Because you're in the city where the most successful of all the people have. So you never feel this concern that you were talking about, which is like, oh, if I show this nice thing I have, people will think that I'm, I consider myself better than them or something. If you grow up in New York, you never feel that way because there's always someone so much higher than you. You know what I mean? There's always some so much more wealthy. So it's just this, there's like a hustle mentality, which is like, I'm going to work really fucking hard for as long as I possibly can.

47:22And I'm going to try to get some nice shit, but I'm going to earn it. I'm not going to just have it handed to me. I'm going to fucking bust my ass. But when I do get it, I don't feel guilty about it because it ain't even as close as nice as the guy who lives three blocks that way. But I understand, like, my mom's from Scotland, like, fucking, you know, comes from nothing. There's that sentiment of, like, you getting something nice, the community could feel like, oh, do you think you're better than us now because you got this fancy house? Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, like, if somebody could read, people would call him a f***er.

47:54You know? like if you got if somebody brought home a b on our bus dude it fucking you were just a just a fucking sick homosexual yes you know yeah you fucking yeah they would beat you up i mean they would let people ride home on our bus with no shirts on and i'm like and yeah i'm like well why don't people have to have shirts on or whatever but it was just like yeah it was just yeah i don't know it's tough you want to kind of stay like i don't know as your life changes and as you get old things change your life gets bigger and you kind of sometimes want to just stay the same like i think there's parts of moments in my life that i really miss where i was real comfortable and i think as your life changes sometimes it probably is like a new space what's it been like for you having a child since i know a lot of your special was about it like the greatest was that something that took away a lot of that just worrying about yourself type of thing i mean did it really or you just was that something that people just say i'm glad that you I asked that second question, but the weird thing about having a kid is it is literally every cliche that anybody has ever said.

48:55All right, that's a little Shiloh. Dang, huh? Little cutie. Wow, at the beach, rich, huh? What UFC fighter does she look like? Oh, no, hold on. Don't do it. Huh? Don't do it. I think we got to do it. But for your wife, you have to say that. She, she, she, she. She, and this is, Nick, you know who it is. He's got a fight coming up. Michael Chandler. A little, but he's fighting Volkanovski. Oh, Diego Lopez? A little bit. Oh, my God. He's a pretty motherfucker. I'll take that one. That's a compliment. That was acceptable. That's got to be a new segment on the Theoban podcast. Yo, yo, yo, he's good.

49:33He's good. Oh, that's pretty cute. Oh, little cutie. Now I still want him to hear me say that. But there's something very charming about him. She's a beautiful young lady. that's gonna be a great fight shout out bulk too man that is a i think that is an exciting fight huh yeah seeing volkanovsky sing the other night about that was so fun you got a little voice bro i know he's got a good voice and it's just fun to see his like it's so great i think if fighters are around long enough where you get to see their personality of course like they used to only have to just be so tough and now they can do that but also like have a bit of showmanship yeah we want to connect to them yeah but i will you know back to the kid back to the kid yeah it's every cliche you've ever heard times a thousand like it and it's there's a reason why that exists i imagine it's like we all should have this reaction towards children right like their smile is the best smile their laugh is the best laugh it's the most incredible experience you've ever had in your life and there's a little part of you as like a comedian that goes you know oh i'm gonna have these unique takes on being a father and it is your takes are so similar to every other person who's ever been a dad which is which is now i see as a beautiful thing right but um yeah your life gets really small.

50:42I can only speak for myself, but like, I just don't care as much about other things. You know, like I want to spend time with her. I want to spend time with my wife. And I, as long as they're proud of me and happy with me, that's enough. Right. Anything else is, it's icing on the cake. It feels really good. Like the response to the special feels really good. It's like amazing. Like all these people who went through IVF and had a similar journey as us to like get pregnant, like they, they, they're talking about like feels really good. Yeah. But, but I'll tell you what they, as long as like my wife and baby are, are, are happy with me, like that's, yeah, it is an amazing, I hope you experience it, man.

51:22If that's something that you'd like to experience, but it's transformative. Yeah, I'd like to have that, man. It's cool to hear a parent say that too, you know, I think that like, it's nice to hear a parent say those things about their family. It's so cool, man. It is, also you'll watch it like, it's very, very rare in life you get to see somebody give 100%. Like really 100%. And like when you watch them in labor, it's 100%. Really? It's just they're giving everything they possibly can give. What happens if they just do 80 % or whatever, 60 % or? That baby stays in there, bro. Like we had to do a C-section.

51:57We, my wife had to do a C-section. Obviously, it was like, I didn't do anything. I just sat there like an asshole. but it was but yeah it's just amazing what they're willing to do like my wife lost a lot of blood and like like 50 cent almost literally it was yeah

52:17it's very similar actually I gotta talk to 50 about that I was like dude you basically got a C section out there in Jamaica Queens bro we talk about that yeah yeah yeah 50 C 50 C is good he's fucking good no but but bro it was like she had no energy left she had no blood in her system left and they ask her they're like can you do a little breastfeeding for the baby because she needs to eat right now and then they're like if you don't have energy that's fine she breastfeeds the baby the second the baby pulls off this is like after I don't know how long it is she goes my wife's like is she good and the doctor's yeah she's good and the second the doctor takes her off she just closed her eyes and passes out but it's like there's this like primal urge to do anything for them they'll do anything for that baby.

53:03And it is like, yeah, it's a beautiful human experience to watch somebody love something like otherworldly love. And yeah, I think it's a really important part of if you, if you're lucky enough to be able to do it, it's a really important part of like the life experience. It just makes everything, it makes everything small and, and, and worthwhile. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. That's yeah. Thanks for sharing that, man. Sure. What's it like to see your parents interact with your child? So my dad has dementia. I know he's sick, right? Yeah, he's had dementia for a while now, so it's hard for him. He did the intro to your special.

53:41Yeah, that was pretty cool. That was cool, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was wondering, was that tough for you guys to get him to pull it off, or it was okay? You know, what's interesting is like we filmed that actually at the early part of the tour. I loved how your special started off with a joke because it may be just like, oh, I'm already having a nice time. Boom. I thought it was a great choice. Y 'all made it. I thought it was one of the best. I thought it was one of the best I'd seen in a while. Thanks, man. Yeah, it was cool to. Yeah, the first one we were thinking about, we're like, should we just start the joke?

54:07And then like the first thing is I think I go, you guys want to hear my favorite New York joke? And we could have just cut that line. But there was part of me that went like, if I'm just hanging out with friends and I go, yo, I got a good joke. You guys, my friends or anybody else in that group will go, yeah, I like hearing a good joke. Like, this is why I'm tuning into a special. Like, sometimes I feel like the first joke you tell on stage is the most inauthentic. Because it's like, hey, we're going to do this thing where I talk and you guys just listen. And once we get into it, it will all make sense.

54:41But the first 30 seconds or a minute of it is inauthentic in a way. Unless I honestly tell you, hey, you guys ready? Yeah. I'm going to tell you a joke. Yeah. Does that make sense while I'm trying to communicate? I've never thought about that before. Yeah, there's this kind of moment where everybody pretends like they don't know you're about to tell us. Like, they kind of like, there's this weird moment in the beginning. We have to suspend disbelief or whatever it is. Like, what's he going to do? We know what we're going to do. Juggle or, yeah. Or fucking, yeah. Remodel the building? Yeah. Like, fucking.

55:14So, I don't know. I was like, how do I just make it feel like authentic or natural or whatever? And, um... But yeah, but having my dad do it, the intro is just the coolest fucking thing. How many takes do you have to do with dementia? What is that like? So that we did a, I mean, he was able to knock it out, but we tell him the line right before every single time. Yeah. You know, give it up for my son, Andrew Schultz. And he goes and says it, and you could really feel him. It was like really beautiful. I'll probably get emotional. But he was like, he really wanted to do it, you know? Yeah. And like he's been a great father, so it's like, and he's like trying to remember it, you know?

55:49and like yeah it was just really yeah yeah yeah it was cool that's awesome man it makes me sad kind of not sad but it makes me no it's beautiful yeah it's something that's real it's yeah it's beautiful give it up for my son yeah you know what i mean oh dude right when i saw that because i remember seeing the video that you shared about him when you're gonna play madison square garden yeah yeah and it was like that was like something that everybody could relate to and yeah when i saw it it was like because yeah i don't know he was he was i keep saying was which fucked up but like he had a he had a really shitty dad that like wasn't there for him at all and uh he didn't have me until like late and but he like he never said this but like he made a decision that he was not gonna let that happen again and he was just like he was just there for everything like every i don't know what it's like to not have a dad there for everything which is an amazing privilege don't get me wrong but like it was just so important to him to like, oh, let's go throw a base.

56:47Let's play some basketball. Like whatever you want. I need help with homework. Like whatever it is. And, you know, he has his dimension. I feel like every time I see him, I just like, I just hope he knows that he was incredible. And like it's, that I'm nowhere close to where I am without that. Right. Like all my confidence comes from him. Wow. You know, like every bit of like self-belief, like anything is just, there's this guy who's believed him. Yeah, is there a part of you, So as dementia, I guess someone's like, so who someone is starts to kind of disappear a little bit. Is that a fair way to say it or not?

57:21I would say like your short-term memory goes away. So I guess memory is broken up into long-term memory and short-term. And for someone to get into long-term, it just needs to be repeated. So he has his long-term memory. He like knows the map of New York. He can like go around the city, but he might forget like what he's going to do. Right. But he knows how to get home. Yeah. But if we took him to Florida, he wouldn't really know how to get around. Right. and then short term it's like he doesn't really know you know he'll have a conversation with you and then he'll kind of forget he'll bring it back up he has like a few things that he'll like talk about but um i will say that like you know the concern is when this happens is that like something underneath is bitter and angry and like he just becomes this like resentful human being but he's pure man like he's just a pure like loving good soul so he gets to find out every time i see him that he has a granddaughter and like that's pretty awesome like you know like like so there's a like if there's a little positive perspective that you can all you can do is change perspective on shit so like i could tell him every single time it's like yeah i got it he's like what oh my god what's that like you know and like so that's cool to tell him yeah yeah that's gotta be super cool yeah it is is there any fear that like as a part of him like that the part of him inside that will will forget that you care about him is that is that like does that make any sense kind of i i my the fear is that i haven't communicated to him enough enough how incredible a job he did and i don't even know if that's important to him right because i don't think for you to know it yeah like it's important to me that he knows that he's the goat and like he might not know that like he's and it's interesting so interesting like yeah like it's uh yeah it's just so interesting yeah yeah it's like you just want them to know yeah but but then i realized now after having a kid like before i had a kid i thought he was doing everything just for me like he was he was doing things that he might not actually want to do but he's like i'm gonna be there for my kid and now that I have a kid you get so much joy oh you realize oh he was bro it's it's this beautiful relationship where like you can selfishly be a good dad like taking my kid to the museum of natural history the other day was more fun for me than her yeah watching her look at a woolly mammoth you know like and just have her fucking mind blown you know she just she's looking at this she's looking back at me she's like what the fuck is this like and it was just and I'm like we gotta go to the museum every week like whatever there is this It's beautiful where like your selfishness benefits your kid.

59:58Maybe if you have a healthy relationship. I know there's like unhealthy shit there too. I think I see what you're saying. So then it's like now it's like there's no way he couldn't ever know how much I care about him because it almost doesn't even matter because he cares about me so much. As a dad, you care about your kids so much that as long as they're okay, then everything else is it. You would hope. Is that kind of what you're saying a little bit? Yeah, you would hope. I mean, again. Right. I know there's a lot of instances that's not the case. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I would just, yeah, I would hope, I would, I hope that's the case.

1:00:27Like he battled with depression a lot. You know, like my, my family's got a lot of mental illness in it. Right. Oh yeah. So like, uh, so he battled with depression a lot. And, um, so it was just, you know, like you don't know what to do when you're a kid about that. Like I used to take him to the comedy cellar before I ever did comedy. I was like, I thought that like, if you laugh, you're not depressed. Like that's how I thought it worked. So I'd take my depressed ass dad to the comedy cellar. Little did I know he's just listening to depressed comedians. He's probably getting more depressed. He's struggling with his life.

1:00:57He got to listen to these sad ass comedians on stage talking about how shitty their life's on. He's like, this kid is going to kill me. But hey, if it makes his son happy, he's thinking. He's doing it for me. He's doing it for me. Damn near almost killed himself. Half the comedians. You're doing it for him and he's doing it for you. That's fucking hilarious, dude. Yeah. He's like, he's fucking sitting there. He's fucking just rubbing over. Shrinking a pull in spring, just looking for the vein. So, but yeah, it's just, you don't know. Dude, what a fascinating thing that he's doing. What a unique way to think of a crossroads of a father and son, that he's doing it for me and I'm doing it for him.

1:01:44That's kind of fascinating. You don't know. You just don't know how it works when you're younger. like he don't even know like the effects of depression or these types of things especially in his in his era like 20 years ago he had no idea even 30 years ago yeah no idea you're just like oh rodney likes to fucking sit in the car by himself my dad would go sit in the car by himself for a couple hours i love it i love it and my mom would just move well if you get out of your fucking car like he wants to be out there sitting out there by himself the man in our town used to park their trucks behind the Winn-Dixie and cry back there sometimes.

1:02:20Yeah. And you'd see them just fucking, you know, you'd see a guy open his car doors to let a bunch of tears fall out and then close it back. Like, it was fucking. Yo, there is bravery to that, though. That's the thing that, like, I think we look back at that generation who was really trying to figure out how to deal with their mental health, and they stiff upper-lipped it. And I think a lot of times we go, oh, they just ignored the problems. It's like, no, no, you can't ignore depression. It's not something you could ignore. You know what I mean? It's there. And what they did is they said, you know what?

1:02:50I'm going to go to my fucking car, and I'm going to cry, and I'm going to get back, and I'm going to be a dad, and I'm going to be a husband, and I'm going to take care of his family. And it's like— And I'm going to get my fucking son a Pistons jersey. Exactly. Exactly. And you're not even a Pistons fan. Like, that's depressing, too. You want it so badly for this kid to be a Knicks fan. This motherfucker likes the team in Detroit. In a lame beard jersey.

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1:07:20And your wife doesn't want to be angry at you for that because she's like, thank God I have a dad who's so committed and just in love with the kid. But you can't forget about them. So it's like this constant adjustment. You go, okay, alright. I gotta put... Like, hey, Shiloh, is your mom home? That kind of thing. Yeah, I gotta call Shiloh. Yeah. I gotta go on the nanit. I gotta call her. I got two phones. Yeah, you gotta put some Kevin Gates in the freaking... when they're nursing, dude. You're the most interesting man in America. He's spinning Kevin Gates' bars. Shiloh has a little phone. She's like, hey, Mom, it's right here.

1:07:54Oh, you don't want to talk to me? She gives me the attitude. Now you can't win. You just want to talk to this old bitch. So, yeah, you got to do that, man. Oh, damn, dude. That's crazy. Yeah, it's wild. Wow, dude. What a neat journey. And I was just impressing your special. So like you're just going, it's like, you know, when I first watched you, you were such a power. I remember the first time I ever saw you at the Black Baby, or what's it called, the one that's next door to the comedy store? Fat Black Pussycat. Fat Black Pussycat, right? Village Underground, maybe? Maybe that one? Yeah, it was one that kind of has the tears in it a little bit.

1:08:31Yeah, yeah, Village Underground, yeah, yeah. But, dude, I was like, I had never seen it. I was like, oh, my God. And I had to go up after you, dude, and it was so fucking scary. And I was like, just kidding. I'm sure you killed that shit. I did, okay. But, dude, didn't this is so much? And that was great. I mean, but that was just like, I mean, that was probably 10 years ago too. But then, um, yeah, this was just so like taking me through this story and the journey. And it was, um, I don't know. It was cool to see. It felt like grown up a little bit. Yeah. It's just different. Like I never been personal in my, in my comedy.

1:08:58I didn't even think my life was interesting. So I was like, yeah, I was like, I thought my opinions on shit were more interesting than my life. So I was like, I'm not, I don't need to tell you about what's going on in my life. And then, um, and then this thing happened where, you know, we couldn't get pregnant and it was because of me. My sperm sucked. No way. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my sperm. What happens? You take them under the - I'm the face of shitty sperm, bro. Oh. Damn, dude. You felt bad for a second. You're like, hold on. Yeah. Well, it's just crazy because you have that spice trader energy.

1:09:30You know what I'm saying? Yo, you want to know some crazy shit? My boy is a spice trader. This guy I play paddle with, all right? This is my boy. We call him Spice Man. And we legit thought he was a drug dealer for so long because he says, like, I'm a spice trader. Like he makes little jokes about it that he's not joking. He'll show up late to a game and he'll be like, man, Sesame was down crazy today. I couldn't find a place to store it. And then he'll say coriander options. Yes, yes. It's literally like a stock market. Like he's back and forth from India. So we're like, there's no way this is his real life.

1:10:01Like he sells fentanyl or cocaine or some shit. Right. And he's just saying it's turmeric. Right. But turns out this motherfucker is a legit 2025 spice trader. This is like the oldest job ever. We ride here. Yeah, dude, that's it, bro. We ain't going anywhere. We're from the past, baby. How crazy is that? Shout out to Pete, man. Spicy P. We call it Spicy P. Yeah, dude. Spicy P. That's great. That'd be a dope-ass job. Just hitting the streets what you want. and you got some fucking... He'll just hit me with random spice facts. Thyme, cumin. Yeah, he was like, bro, you can't store the cumin with the turmeric, right?

1:10:42Because one goes old and I'm like, oh yeah, of course, bro. That's a huge... That storage shit is crazy out there, you know? Yeah, 10 Our Fathers right now. That's crazy. 10 Our Fathers? You can't be doing that, yeah. What does that mean? It's like you confessed in a confessional. Oh, yeah, you get a punishment? They make you do those punishments or whatever. Oh, dude, you did the wrestling thing. Was that interesting? Oh, that was so cool, man. It was cool. You did a good job. Thanks, bro. It looked, was it scary? I thought you were going to get slammed. Yeah. Was that an option? He was about to, I didn't even know it was going to happen.

1:11:14You didn't? No, I didn't know anything was going to happen. I'm just there hanging out. Then Logan starts to get me to try to lie in front of all my people in Madison Square Garden. I want to see AJ Styles. That's what I want. Let's go. This shit is. Oh, damn. It doesn't look like I'm prepared for that. And what's his finishing move? The tax evasion?

1:11:48That's the next move. We got to move to Puerto Rico. The Puerto Rican W-9. That's his fucking finishing move. Oh, my God. Dude, does he sling? Maybe I didn't see this. No. Oh, Styles coming in. Thank God AJ Styles comes in to save my ass. He didn't come in a couple seconds. I'd be toast in front of my wife. Did part of you want a little more smoke after that? Like, was there a little bit inside of you that's like... I need justice, bro. Yeah. I need justice. You can't come do that shit to me in Madison Square Garden. I agree. My home. Talk crazy to me. You know? I need some paper, bro. I need my get back.

1:12:22You know who Aaron the Plumber is? Aaron the Plumber. I think we had him on the podcast, actually. Did you have Aaron on the pod? I think so. Like, 20 years ago. Or like, four... Yeah, like, three years ago, I think. No, no, no, no. Who is that we had, Nick? This is different Aaron the Plumber. We had Joe the plumber. Joe. Joe the plumber. You need Aaron the plumber, bro. This guy's an absolute internet sensation. Joe found a baby in one of the pipes. Joe found an offspring. Wow. In one of the pipes. What is that? Horrible time to say that. No, that's a Patrice joke. It is? He said, I jerk off so much in the shower, I'm surprised the drain ain't pregnant.

1:12:55Joe is like, it was. Joe is like, I think I'm working at your place. No, who's Aaron the Plumber? Oh, dude, this guy's a cool guy. Oh, my God. He was on this Zeus Network show. Do you know what the Zeus Network is? Uh-uh. Is it like that Stars or whatever, like Ghost Book Phantom, whatever? Nah, this is more ratchet, bro. But Aaron the Plumber, you're not qualified. This guy is a certified, hilarious dude. He's an actual certified plumber. But he's hilarious on this dating show. and he would get in a fight with anybody who pops shit. He's like, all right, let's go. We fight right now. But he's also hysterical.

1:13:34And so, yeah, he's just an internet sensation. Love this guy. Dang, I haven't seen him. I got to check him out. Who did I see recently? Gunno Lavish. Have you seen him? No, who's that? Young kid. He makes me laugh. He's out of Mississippi, man. Gunno Lavish. You can see the text went out of him. Just go to shorts right there. Let's start it over. Is everything going to be okay? It will be okay if you just stay strong. Stay strong, boy nigga. You wondering is everything going to be okay? It will be okay if you just stay strong. Okay, get me one more. Oh, stop being humble. FN over there. Try that one.

1:14:23you out here being humble when everybody popping that shit it's time you start popping your shit stop being humble for it nigga you out here being humble when everybody popping that shit it's time you start popping your shit he just made me laugh man he's out of mississippi man i just like his thing he's just somebody i started watching you know there's like people you see and they come up and then once you watch them a couple times and you keep having to watch them you know obsessed with it it's crazy i'm obsessed with temptation island spain really yeah i could see that yeah it's crazy yeah this is the craziest reality show i've ever seen in my entire life this guy montoya have you not heard of the montoya guy oh my god it's insane so basically temptation island the idea is you and your girlfriend go to this island and you split up and then they send people to try to fuck you and try to fuck your girlfriend to see if you'll cheat and where the people from the mainland or whatever i think you're all from they're all from spain pretty much well some of them may be from other spanish speaking countries but everybody speaks spanish so this one couple she that girl right there anita anita gets just banged out i think five days in by this other dude and he's got a watch so there's this other watch it's part of the show bro so they're just cucking my man montoya But Montoya is so charming that you actually don't look at him like a cuck.

1:15:46You're like, oh, he's like a flamenco singer. He's the man. So he gets really emotional about watching the guy just beat cheeks on his girl. Oh, yeah. And this seems like modern-day Shakespeare almost, you know? Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm talking about, kind of? There's very much a thing where like— Yeah, yeah, it's Othello, really. Yeah, when the figure would open up a portal in your head where you thought your wife was cheating and you would take your own life or something. So there it is. So like, he's got to watch this security camp footage and you could like hear like pelvis hit cheeks like this.

1:16:21Oh yeah. It's brutal, but it's also fantastic TV. God, I've never seen that. It's amazing. Like, and I haven't watched the whole episode. I just watched like whatever highlights get clipped and put on like TikTok or Instagram. I think that's how I consume everything, but I, yeah, everything I possibly can, I consume. Yeah. Well, it's, it's funny cause you start to want to have like an information diet. so there's things you can talk about with different guests or whatever. That's what I heard Mr. Beast say. Like he hires people to have an information diet. For him. So they all absorb stuff, then they filter it down, and then he gets like this stuff from them that's like fine-tuned to exactly what he would want to know the most.

1:16:55Oh, wow. And that's crazy. So he has like a human version of Chad GPT. Yeah. So he has intelligence, intelligence. Yeah, like real intelligence. He has like an algorithm that's – yeah, he's like a human kind of algorithm, you know, sort of, I guess. So he's outsourcing his, like, interests. How do you run it back against those Paul guys, I wonder? How do I run it back against Logan? Or Jake as well? Get Jake involved as well? Dude, I would fucking... If I saw those people in my dreams, I would beat the shit out of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good caveat right there. That's a very good caveat.

1:17:31No, Logan needs to get it back. Logan needs to get some get back. That's the reality. You can't come into my place and do that, obviously. But, you know, Jake, I don't even know if Jake's going to be involved in wrestling. You know, he's doing his boxing thing. Yeah. But let's see what happens. I don't know. You never know. You never know with these things. Yeah. What about you? You going to get involved in some wrestling? I don't know, dude. I thought about trying to wrestle one of those guys. I would have to really stretch and focus on fitness. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. I would have to really stretch and focus on it.

1:18:03Or you could just get dragged through the ring like I did. and then not working fitness at all. You know this is the craziest part of that scene? You didn't even see the end of it. I got dragged over to Bannister, ragdolled on the ground, rolled into the ring, bent over and put into a suplex. This other dude, AJ, saves me. After Logan leaves, I jumped on a top rope. Like I did something. I think I'm the first person in history to just get my ass kicked and still go on the top rope and celebrate. But it really goes back to exactly what we were saying earlier. If all people see is that clip of you on the top rope, they're like, this guy won.

1:18:40So I'm like, I might never do this again. What am I going to knock you up at the top rope? Come on. I got to tell my daughter something. That's classic, man. Yeah. Have you thought about over the years of moving out of New York? I know you were talking about the taxes and stuff in there. Yeah. I don't know. It's pricey. Have you ever thought about going down to Austin? Did you ever think about that? Not living there. No. No. I mean, like, look, it's fucking incredible what Joe's done down there. Like, it's incredible. It's kind of crazy that it almost feels sometimes like another center. It definitely feels like another new center of comedy, which they didn't have five years ago.

1:19:13I can't believe I'm going to say what I'm saying right now. Because obviously, you know, New York guys, we're incredibly biased about stand-up. We're like, the best stand-ups are in New York, and this is where you come. You got to make your bones. This is what you got to do. And then the idea was, okay, but if you want to become, like, famous, you can go to L.A. because that's where the industry is. somebody's going to pop into the comedy store they're going to see you you'll be famous that's at least like the hope or the dreams or whatever right but um as of right now if you're a young comic right what is your pathway to success in la if you're a young comic what's your pathway to success in la perception doesn't mean that it can't happen but like in la or new york like what shows can you get on that eventually you become famous because i know if i'm a young comic if i can manage to get on kill tony and become a regular i'm selling out theaters around the country these guys are selling real tickets if i get into joe's world and i'm able to go on the podcast a bunch and maybe even go on the road like i'm getting a career i mean if to me it's like we need to start building some infrastructure in new york so these guys feel like there's a pathway to selling tickets and that's not just new york that's la too those days of just like getting a role in a movie and then you sell tickets are done you doing a tv show one off and then you sell that you don't just sell tickets you need to be like ingratiating yourself to the people through stand-up comedy if you want to sell stand-up comedy tickets so i don't blame i don't begrudge any comic who's like i want to go to move to austin because i feel like that's where the thing is happening especially if you just move to new york or la to make it i'm from new york like born and raised in new york so like moving to another city is like leaving my whole family my friend group right you're leaving your world oh there you go that's what i was thinking I guess.

1:20:53Oh my God. I do kind of look like that motherfucker. Diego Pena. What's his name? Man. Diego Garcia. He looks ugly next to Christian Bale, bro. And he's not even that ugly, bro. I'm saying he looks like me. So I can't be insulting him that much. But Christian Bale is one fucking handsome guy. Well, then imagine. The safe is another even less. Did he AI my face onto that? I did. This is face swap. God damn, bro. I look ugly next to Christian Bale. that motherfucker is handsome look at bruce wayne right there dude god nah he's a stud oh he's a stud yeah and i'm worse looking than you so the tough part is it only goes another step downhill how fucked up is that me insulting him before i knew it was me like in that that's insanity right there like i mean it's the where's my self-esteem at don't come here for it i don't know i built this railroad on low self-esteem have you ever heard of the low self-esteem engine that's run on these tracks for years dude i mean we're picking up we're picking up steam but it's been slow oh god what are we talking about oh there's the the scene so it's just like i imagine oh yeah the scene every i mean think about like obviously we're in different positions right like we're we're in a different part of our career where we have we can live we're not coming out it's not the beginning of our career exactly so but if you were young and you're like my pathway to success like what if you go to LA what do you what shows do you get on to eventually make it like what is your right well there's a couple things one you can get a lot of there's a lot of like um influencers and stuff out here so there's a lot of like uh social media influencers that stuff is real out here there's movie stars that live out here and there's television shows but I don't know if a lot of stuff still shoots in LA, which is kind of crazy.

1:22:47Like, um, even whenever we shot this little movie with Spade there, we were like, um, they're like, thank you. People were like, thank you guys so much working here. We haven't had work in months. And I'm like, what do you mean? Cause I don't know who shoots what, you know, they're like, yeah. I'm like in Hollywood, you haven't had work in months. And yeah, I guess there's just nothing shooting here, which seems crazy that you would build an industry where then nothing even shoots within it. You know, Like at a certain point, you can't cut every corner. Like, okay, we're going to shoot out of state to get a tax break.

1:23:19But the tax incentives are really big. You can shoot up in Canada. You can shoot up over in Atlanta. Like the tax incentives are huge to go shoot in these places. The one when California matched them, it seems like. I think like it's just like we were saying, like politics is always downriver from culture. So they're going to have to learn the hard way. They're going to have to see the industry actually start to be negatively impacted for a while. And then they're going to have to vote out whoever is in power with that kind of influence. But L.A. thrives on Hollywood. There isn't L.A. without Hollywood.

1:23:56That's the industry. That's true. I guess then it's kind of like Barcelona or something in a way. Some cool museums and it's beautiful. We don't even know you guys have museums out here. I'm going to be honest with you. Somebody told me that. They're like, oh, yeah, we were spending some time in museums. I was like, you got museums out here? Like, I thought you had that observatory shit that's up on the hill, and that's it. Yeah. We don't know that you have, like, the theater. Like, do you have plays that come out in L.A.? I have no idea. Like, can you watch Hamilton in L.A. ever? I don't know.

1:24:24It's a good question. Well, we don't really have that district, like, the theater district that New York has. I mean, Danny McBride was saying this the other day. He goes, you know, I've always been kind of amazed that L.A. doesn't like historicize itself better as a structure. He's like, when you go down the street here, you should be every other building should be. This is where this was films. This is where Sidney Poitier lived the first three years that he lived here in this apartment. Like, you know, like in this these buildings, we've kept them because they're and some of it is still the same because, you know, you don't have as much wear and tear from the elements here.

1:25:00outside of like the fires recently but you don't have just like the constant salt salt in the air like you do in a lot of places but um but overall he's like yeah i'm just kind of amazed that you don't go down the street and every other building is historical for some reason bro i think that's a fantastic point because that is the coolest thing about la hollywood is like old hollywood culture right like there's that hotel the sunset tower or whatever and like it has this cool restaurant that feels like old Hollywood. Oh yeah, it's cool in there. It's some fancy, bougie shit, but it still feels like, oh, I can imagine directors in like the 60s.

1:25:32Yeah, what do you say? What is that fucking girl with the air blowing her dress up? Oh, Shirley Temple or whatever? No, my brother. Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe. Oh, sorry.

1:25:48Well, okay. Yeah, exactly. I'd like to have that stricken from the record Well, dude, I'll tell you something, buddy. Here's the number one place, and I'm sorry. Who's the girl where her dress was blown up? I don't know. It's L.A. I didn't think they were going to. He's right. He's right. Weinstein's innocent. Weinstein is innocent. I didn't think if they're blowing anybody's dress up, it's going to be a child, obviously. Go on. Dude, when people come to visit me, the one place that I take them every time, literally is a tour stop is a cemetery that's near my apartment in westwood that has marilyn monroe's grave in it hugh hefner errol flynn oh wow uh carol o 'connor oh geez the guy from um bad gramper or whatever um uh walter matthews in there it's just like you just show them like this you know that's kind of the neatest thing i think i think that's i think it's a great point because there is cool historical shit about LA, but you got to embrace it and then protect it.

1:26:51And I think that maybe it's just such a new city. They don't see the value in it. Like we, you and I are from very kind of like old places in terms like of American history, not world history, but like there's a lot of history in, I'm going to give you New Orleans. I know you're not from New Orleans, but like just this idea of, there's like, and it's important to us to maintain that. We actually like the way that the buildings look when a new fancy building goes up in new york there's always this immediate rejection we're like ah these fucking glasses there goes the neighborhood or whatever it is so we we try to protect and i feel like la is so transient like everybody that comes here is coming from maine or coming from you know montana or some shit like that to go make it so they don't really care that much about the history they're like what's going on now right but the people from here like dove like the people who actually grew up here and like that is the industry yeah i would i would like to see that protected that's a great point and then there's another version of you coming out here that's not like a tmz tour bus tour whatever that stupid shit is like this is the rocks house it's like no go see where fucking sydney potier lived or go see where these historic actors like what's his face his first apartment jack nicholson's first apartment so cool if they had that and still had under they had it like really locked in dude the guy the founder of canes this guy todd graves yeah he still has his college apartment that was right next door to the first Canes that's in Baton Rouge.

1:28:14And you go in there, dude, and it is crazy. It's like it's from 30 years ago or 22 years ago or something. It's just like old TV. He's maintained everything from it? Maintained it. Oh, I love it. Pictures from back then and shit. His life got busy, and so he just wasn't there for like eight years. And then he came back, and it's just like magazines with like Jordan and Shaq. He's a beast, that guy. Yeah, he stays so busy. He works really hard. He owns all of the Canes still, right? This is not a franchised restaurant. I think he owns – it's unbelievably impressive. And maybe because I'm from New York, we just got one.

1:28:47There's one that just popped up in the East Village. But I was talking to a buddy of mine who's actually one of his lawyers, and he was kind of explaining it to him. It's like this guy is like a real ambitious kind of genius to put that together. It's very hard to not sell off your company as it becomes successful. to have that vision. Like, I don't know if you're like this, but if I'm building something that's successful and then someone offers me$300 million for it, I'm like, there's some people are crazy enough to go, no, this shit is really worth$2 billion. I'm like, what is$2 billion even?

1:29:22What is that money even? You know what I mean? There are people that say no to$1 billion because they know it could be worth five. Isn't that crazy? What do you need that for? yeah like you can tap out of whatever you're doing maybe they really love what they're doing maybe that's it but then you just sell it and get locked in as a um consultant or whatever yeah yeah i guess you could but maybe they would hate that maybe like they're like it's my genius that drives this this this this this car it's like that rigor mortis whatever the frank whoever made frankenstein or whatever the doctor or whatever he wanted to die with frankenstein he's like you know i think that's what happened what happened with frankenstein i fucking don't and what happened that shit.

1:30:02It was Dr. Frankenstein and then it was the creature. Yeah, that's, isn't that crazy that we think that Frankenstein is the, is the lifeless animal, you know, but it was actually the doctor. Imagine how he feels. He's like, what are you, hey, my name's Rick, you know, it's like, nobody fucking,

1:30:27I'm fucking Rick Hopkins, you know, I had a fucking bad, I had frontal lobe surgery. Give me some. God damn. That's so true. It still goes back to you see a clip of something. You just believe it. That's what you believe. You just believe it. Yeah. That motherfucker's name is not even Frank. It's called Creature, which is way more adept, right? Like that feels like the name for it, but not. But at least that's his name.

1:31:00God, dude. Yeah, shout out Frankenstein. Yeah, dude. Oh, how's the Trump thing going over in New York, dude? You know what's so interesting? It was crazy how right after the election was over, everybody just kind of went on about regular life kind of. Bro, it's, and like now I'm almost like annoyed by it. I'm like, I thought we weren't going to have to go through this again. Like, I don't know how it is like here where you're living, but we're back to like the bipartisan bickering, you know, Like this doge is a big deal, right? Even though there's no American that wants like waste. There's no American that wants like government bloats.

1:31:38There's no American that wants like inefficiency. I don't think any of us are like voting for those three things. So this should be like unilateral support. Like we should all get behind it. And maybe the way that they're doing, I think Trump even came out and be like, yo, we're going to use a scalpel, not a hatchet. Like I think we're being a little bit too forceful with the firings or whatever. But this is one of those things where like it's so annoying. and I think you can blame Elon for this as well. Like on Twitter, he's a little bit antagonistic about shit. Yeah, I noticed that recently.

1:32:04Some of the stuff he says, like, do you have to say that? Like, what are you doing right there? You're in power now. Like, I think you have to have a little bit different energy when you're in power. I think when you're not in power, you're trying to get to power. Maybe that antagonism is helpful, right? It can like embolden the base. But you're the leader now. Leaders don't need to poke a finger and like twist a knife or whatever. Well, I think what he's doing, And I believe that what Elon is doing is by creating all that commotion on Twitter, it's only helping his own business. Right. So it creates now that everybody's everyone wants to see what he's going to say.

1:32:36But he's saying so many things, it's hard to even juggle. But so many people are engaging and interacting. I feel like it's probably the number one news app. I don't know if it's always been the number one news app. It has to be. It has to be. Yeah. I mean, don't you learn everything? But he's just stirring his own business. It's like, yeah. So the more he does that, it's more impressions, the more ads that he can sell, right? I don't know if that's true. But you're basically creating a place for people to go consume content in general. And if he's the biggest creator on that platform, then it makes sense that he continues to create.

1:33:06So you're saying that he's not doing this just to get out information, but he's also doing this to uplift the app. It's like a hype machine, yeah. Oh, wow. I don't know if that's true. But that's the feeling you get from it. I'm at least, because otherwise, some of this shit's kind of insane. It's like, what is this like? How is he doing all of these things? And if he's not doing all these things, because who could have time to do all of this? To do all these things, yeah. Then who is doing it? And it's kind of annoying because he's a genius. You want him on your side. Like, I want the guy who makes the rockets on America's side if we go to World War III.

1:33:38Right. Like, I think that's a pretty good idea that we get the guy who's going to send a ship to Mars on our side if we're going to have, like, drone warfare throughout the world. Like, let's keep him in our good graces. I do think, and I'm a little bit more optimistic about this administration. That's what I've realized with most people, like sane people, is that if you don't, if you didn't vote for Trump, but you're not like a complete like lunatic extremist, on both sides, by the way, if you're just kind of like a normal regular guy, but you feel like you lean left a little bit more, you go, you just are pessimistic about the administration.

1:34:12And if you lean maybe right a little bit more, but you're not some insane like right wing quack, you're optimistic about the administration. We both kind of want the same thing. We want the best thing for American people. We might disagree about where we get there, but we do want the most opportunity, wealth, ease of living for American people. So when it comes to the administration, I'm like a little bit more optimistic about it. I'm like, okay, let's just see how this works. Right. That's how I feel. Give him a – people are going, oh, he's doing all these tariffs. It's like, my man, I'm not an economist.

1:34:46I know you aren't an economist. I don't know if this is a negotiation. Like if you go to buy a car and the car is like 100 grand and you go in, you go, all right, I'm going to offer 80 grand. Right? Knowing that they're going to settle around 90. Right? The problem is when you do that, you do that in privacy with the car dealer. Trump got to do it publicly. And now he's got people in his own country going, how dare you offer 80? That's so disrespectful. And he can't come out and go, dumbass, we're going to settle at 90. I just got to start at 80. So could you give me fucking two weeks to get here?

1:35:21Yeah, they don't give him any. Nobody gives him a beat to see what the long-term plan is. Like, if you want manufacturing jobs back in America, then you have to make it so that it makes more sense for people to make cars in America. Maybe. That's just business. Like, I agree with you. I never was against Biden. I've never been against anybody that's been in office. I've always just wanted the best. It's like, I want the best. I'm never going to depend on the government for my life. Like I don't wake up every day and see what the fucking government's doing. I get out of bed and I try and take care of myself or, you know, you know, take care of your family like you're doing.

1:35:54It's like that's probably what most people think. Yeah. Anybody that has time to argue online all day is also insane. Right. Like I'm not saying that we don't all put our beliefs out there sometimes, but I hear what you're saying. But it's like, but you have to like, that's one thing somebody said the other night. Oh, Trump said it during that whole state of the whatever, the delegacy address. It was like the state of the two parties or address them. If you got to watch the hour and a half of that, I don't care what side of it. This shit was hilarious. It was like somebody who wrote like noises off or something.

1:36:24It was just a fascinating joint congressional committee's address or whatever. Yeah, there was like fucking – they kept cutting this white dude that was asleep. They threw Al Green out. People thought he was Jimmy Snuka. They fucking threw him out, dude. They kept people, like Democrats that only had their feelings on little signs that said, like, not good or gazoon tight or whatever. I bumped into Al Green at the breakfast club. He was going on after me. And someone was like, hey, who wants to – Al Green wants to say hello. And I was like, yeah, sure. That'd be cool. And this guy just got chucked out of the fucking Senate.

1:36:54That'd be whatever. And I went and I go. I shake it. And, like, his, like, handle or something like that is, like, waiting there with, like, a camera, like, tucked here for the handshake picture. and I was like, did I just get set up in a photo op to make me look sympathetic to what happened? I'm like, what exactly is going on? That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's also scary when everybody has cameras everywhere now. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people thought that was Jimmy Stunka, which makes total sense as well. Yeah. I think it's, still think it was. What a body, huh? Let's get it on. Was that, that was Al Green?

1:37:28Let's get it on. Let's get it on. Yeah. I think so. But yeah, so it's a tricky, yeah, it's a tricky, it's a tricky time now politically. But I just don't like it. You kind of hope, like, hopefully there's some long-term strategy here. It's like, because if you just look at the little bits, it's kind of fucking scary. Also, if the, if, and I'm not trying to just like bag on the last administration, but like, if people are uncomfortable and the last administration was running on this platform of, hey, we're going to keep doing the same thing that we've been doing. That was a bad plan. You can't really blame Americans for going, well, that's not working for me right now.

1:38:05I got to try something different. Yeah. And then giving the new thing a little bit of leeway. It's not like, again, I might be more optimistic. And if it goes bad, I will be the first person to criticize it. Right. I have no problem criticizing whoever's in power. Yeah. Okay. This is the easiest thing in the fucking world for me. But I am hoping, I'm at least going to give a little bit of grace and hoping that this is going to work out for all of us. and I'm going to give it more than a fucking few months. I'm going to give it a little bit to see where it goes. And if it does go, I'm not going to be the guy to go, told you so, you fucking idiot.

1:38:36Because that's not the joy that it brings me. The joy it brings me is like, hey, shit, we're actually making some cool change. Right, America's going to be doing better. We've got an opportunity to start here and get up here. Imagine if you brought some industries back where people have pride in their homes and in their towns. Dude, I'll tell you this. We've gone on this tour I've been on. We've gone to probably 200, the top 200 cities so far, size-wise. We've gone fucking everywhere. and a lot of the places man it's the same it's like there's no there's not a lot of businesses there there's some cities that have kind of changed and had some turnaround and it's been uplifting but there's been a lot of places that it hasn't you know and um and it's sad it's like oh all this place needs is one good like influx of uh of people and a purpose you know when people have jobs they have purpose yeah and so it's like i'm just gonna i'm for surely gonna stay hopeful I hope that if there's some tariff stuff and then we start making our own fucking cars here.

1:39:31Dude, there's a guy who just made a show, a T-shirt. I think it's called American Giant. Can you look that up? There's a guy. He wanted to find a T-shirt that was made in America, American Giant clothing. He couldn't even get a T-shirt. That was completely made here. He couldn't get a whatever this is called, a template or a blank in America. He couldn't, they didn't have it, right? They didn't, we don't make a fucking t-shirt in this company, right? Country, yeah. So, don't they make Teslas here? Yes. So Teslas are an American made car. So like bare minimum, and like I'm not trying to knock any of the American, you know, other American cars, right?

1:40:15Like, but I don't think Ford is entirely made here. Right. I might be wrong. I don't think they are. You drive Ford, somebody said to me. I'm like, that's when I knew. I'm like, hold on. How's this guy know how to pronounce it? Swedish guy? That's a great question. Let's look that up. Yeah, what cars are made here? What percentage of Teslas are made in America? What percentage of Fords are made in America? That's a great question, man. And I guess that you could be putting together the full car here, but maybe there's certain factors that do another stuff. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with outsourcing to different countries.

1:40:48I think it gives them opportunities as well. That's a cool thing. But Tesla claims that nearly 100 % of the vehicles it sells in the United States are manufactured domestically. Exceeding the industry average of 52%. Wow. Now, that doesn't mean they don't make cars in other countries as well. Right. But the ones that are sold here are made here. Regardless, okay, if we want to attack a car company, right? And again, I don't know if they're attacking Tesla because they don't like the product. They're attacking Tesla because they don't like the CEO of the company. And that is the risk of being a celebrity CEO.

1:41:22By the way, there's like CEOs of, and you talk about this all the time, but like some of these like pharmaceutical companies, we don't know who the fuck they are. Right. And there's a reason because if we did. People would execute them. Something could happen. Something could happen. We don't know. Something could happen. Somebody could throw them a surprise party. Bro, if you have a billion dollar business and nobody knows who you are, you're doing some fucked up shit. Yeah, you want some fuck shit, man. Right? Some fuck shit, homie, yeah. So. For real. So this is like a kind of shitty situation where like, yes, I understand that he's antagonizing people.

1:41:56He's like rubbing people the wrong way. You don't like the guy. You don't like the beliefs. You don't like what he's doing. And there are things to criticize. I'm not saying there aren't things to criticize. Like everybody is, nobody's above criticism. But to punish that car company that is 100 % made in America, made by people living in America, Americans rely on those jobs. like maybe we criticize another thing right like what is your goal that we shut down those factories and those americans lose those jobs that makes you feel better about your gripe with elon that's the thing some people they they just want to win an argument it feels like you know sometimes there's people that rely on those fucking jobs oh for sure they got kids bro oh yeah oh dude there's no doubt about it but here's one thing that i think is sad about the about doge is that the fact that we have to out we now have to have someone audit our own government our government is supposed to be the thing that we can trust.

1:42:46Like, it will never end now. And people are like, why is this guy having a team that audits? It's like, I agree, but I'll let anybody audit. If you bring on another company, they audit and they find, I give them 10 % of the bloat that they find. If they, you know what I'm saying? The simple fact that we now have to audit our own government. Yeah, I mean, I just, you know, I don't, people I think will gravitate towards corruption naturally. And I think it's something that you constantly have to fight every single second. Yeah, you definitely have to. You said something interesting, though, like this idea, like you wake up every morning, you're like, I don't expect the government to do something for me.

1:43:19I think that's a more like southern and frontier belief. You know, I think that like when you grow up in like New York, there is this relationship with the government where you're like, if the roads are fucked up, you start going, yo, why the roads fucked up? Like, we're spending all this money in taxes or like the government, you're supposed to do it. You're giving me all these rules I got to live by. So you might as well do some shit. But that's interesting that you have this perspective, which is like, I don't expect anything from you guys. And I wonder if when they encroach on your freedoms, it's that much more annoying because you're like, I don't rely on you for anything and you're going to tell me what to do.

1:43:58Whereas we might be more accepting of the laws and the encroachment of freedoms because we are more reliant on them for certain things. so and i wonder if that's why like some of the covid stuff was way easier to accept in big cities because we're already had this symbiotic relationship with government right whereas in places like florida or even you know more other like southern maybe i guess some red states not all yeah a lot of rural areas and more rural areas it's like yo listen don't mess with me because i don't ask you for shit right and now you're getting into my house and telling me what to do when I already don't ask you for anything right we have one road we keep it clean it's fine I drive a truck so you don't have to pave it yeah it's fine that's it right we're doing yeah yeah that's a good but it is interesting how like different areas could affect your perception and yeah like I think a lot of like one other thing is I think a lot of people just worry about our tradition starting to disappear and I think that's where a lot of pushback comes from what you mean by that just like you know like tearing down of statues and saying that everything is racist and stuff and not honoring our history whether it is racist or not like not did not like you know if you take it away completely in three generations no you know this is the tricky thing where it's like i okay i i try to meet people at their intentions because i often want people to judge me on my intentions when i say something like crazy fucked up joke that's not even fully fleshed out on a podcast and i want people to go oh he just wanted it to be funny not oh this guy is an evil asshole.

1:45:32So when I see people taking the progressive measures that might feel like they're going too far I at least have some empathy. I go all right I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to make this world that we live in this country we live in a more comfortable place for everybody. And you're thinking about these oppressed or ostracized groups and you're like how can they not see certain imagery that might remind them of these horrible things that their ancestors went through. So like I go, OK, I get that maybe you have some really good intentions here. And then we can meet at that where we go, I get your good intentions.

1:46:05And then we start to have – then let's have the conversation of, OK, how much of that are we going to remove before we start removing like the history of our country? And some of the history is ugly and that's – it's unfortunate. But it is the history. Like removing it doesn't remove the history. Right. But at least not looking at them like they're assholes that want to destroy America. Maybe some of them are, but I think some of them also just kind of want to make life better for people. Yeah. I don't think everybody's bad. I think there are bad actors on both sides. But I think there's some people who like maybe they were bullied a lot as a kid and they're like, man, I don't want anybody to go through that shit.

1:46:40Like, yeah, I don't I want to look out for some people and create some more protections. And sometimes those protections might go like a little bit too far. And then sometimes instead of creating protections, people will like hurt people, hurt people. They'll do the opposite. they'll be like oh white people are horrible it's like okay okay you're going too far yeah you might have experienced some really fucked up people in your childhood and maybe you have that way of looking at it but it's not going to help if that's your way of communicating yeah yeah i think the truth is usually kind of in the middle i think you're right you know and the fact that yeah it's like it's it's so funny it's like you get so stuck in your own perspective of what your own perspective is and you need to be in your own perspective because it's a survival thing too it's like if I'm sitting here daydreaming or something and I get attacked by an animal or something then that's on me, right?

1:47:26But to actually put yourself in somebody else's shoes and think like, what is it really like? Or what is like going through certain classes or history class or things like that like if you're a different ethnicity or different sex or something what's that shit really like? They're supposed to have VR goggles that we're supposed to be able to do that. We could just see what it was like being Native American back in the day. Yeah. Hey, uh-huh. Yeah, they're all Italians.

1:47:53Look, the goggles kind of like, they set it up to make it sound like who really killed the Native Americans was Italians. Christopher Columbus said, look at these guys. Hey, fucking red horse, get over here. Fuck out of here. How many necklaces we gonna wear, huh? You called the night, how about some blankets? say

1:48:17that would be cool though but you could set it to any way you know cause he was Italian right wasn't Columbus Italian they said he was who the fucking knows dude I'm sure he was probably Italian via Israel according according to a lot of Reddit feeds Twitter it's just they just blame everything on the Jews bro Like it's not even shit that you didn't even imagine. It's the Jews fault, right? But they got nothing to do with it. Soon they're going to blame Christmas on the Jews. Oh, that was kind of. The Jews are impressed, but also not cool at the same time. What if they're like, yo, can you blame some good shit too?

1:49:04We did some good shit, right? Like y 'all like Christianity? Like you like watching Family Man, don't you? That's one of your favorite Christmas movies, isn't it? Gangs in New York. Who do you think fucking put that together? All them Christmas carols. They're probably written by Jews. A lot of them are, man. See? It's so funny. Yeah, what are we going to do? I'm trying to think of what else is going on, dude, that I was thinking about. What's up in your life, man? Everything's fine, man. I've just been working a lot, you know? Like last year we really focused on if we had some time off to go and just go travel to a place to get guests and stuff, you know?

1:49:43So it was like a big focus last year to do that. Have you taken like a vacation? No, not in a while. I was supposed to get one over the holidays and it just didn't happen. Do you like taking time off? Does that feed you at all? Yeah, I need it. I need more of it. And do you enjoy it? Like is your time off just hanging at a beach or do you like going to like a city that you're really interested in, like learning about the history? Like what is what is your version of a? It's just been the beach, really. I think I've been like I think I just kind of got just put so much work on the calendar that I didn't start to schedule.

1:50:16I would love to take two weeks off and go to like a country or something. That'd be awesome. You know? Yeah. So but then I start to think about that, like, well, I should probably get a girlfriend or like a fiance first, because if you go by your who you get, unless you get a buddy to go with or something that could be fun. But it's like two weeks. You can't really go by yourself, really, you know? And so then it's like, what are you going to do exactly? I imagine you with like a small Asian tour guide. And that's it. Just you guys motorcycling around Vietnam or Cambodia. Just say shit to them all the time?

1:50:45Knock, knock. Yeah, that would be ideal. But no, traveling alone is cool, too. Cutting them a little, feeding them a little piece of yam or whatever. Yeah, I mean, you don't have to feed them. You know, they might feed themselves out there. The first struggle, Bayard went through, the first struggle was finding all the components, the cotton, the buttons, the zippers, the rivets. Once Bayard did all that, he ended up with his first product, a plain hooded sweatshirt. We already know all this stuff. I was looking at what some of the price issues were and stuff that he faced, but it was a nightmare for this guy to do it, and he couldn't get it done at like, you know, it came down like$37 or something, which is, you know, but to do it on a regular basis.

1:51:25And then Walmart decided we're going to support him. We're going to give him like a big order. That's fire. So that's kind of where he's at right now. And if you can make a big order, you can obviously reduce the pricing. Right. Then you can go ahead to the place and say, look, now I'm going to order this many. Can you give me a better rate? You know, so. Can you get the material from, does the material also have to come from here? I imagine we have to get all of our material from other countries. That's a good question. Are we creating textiles here? It's a good question. It's crazy because you don't know that, you know, it's like a lot of this stuff we don't even know.

1:51:51And then you look around and you're like, but if you find out that we can't even, you can't even get a t-shirt here then you're like well fuck if we're not even making one t-shirt then what are we making here i mean yeah we're completely reliant it's it's a little scary i guess that's the thing it starts to get scary because yeah i mean because t-shirts are the the least necessary product that we are completely reliant on other countries for yeah so if we're relying on t-shirts what else are we relying on are we relying on technology in some ways like What are the things that become like at risk topics for us?

1:52:29Yeah. That we're relying on other countries. Because it's nice to know that you're not reliant or that the entire world is reliant on each other. And if everybody's relying on each other, okay, then there's like a mutually assured destruction. Right. Maybe that's good. Right. Just tell us the truth. If we know everything, I would just love it if I hears the exact facts. Yo, when do you think – all right. You know how like conspiracies are incredibly popular right now. and like now everybody kind of knows the conspiracies. So that immediate hit of dopamine you get when you like share like the real truth with somebody who doesn't know it.

1:53:03Yeah. And when they look at you, they're like, oh my God, you're so smart or whatever. Yeah. Now that everybody knows the conspiracies, do you think that we start, the pendulum starts to shift back to like kind of what really happened? Because the conspiracy is like the most exaggerated version of what happened. Yeah. And what really happened is probably pretty boring. Like the truth of most things is probably pretty fucking boring. Yeah, for sure. It's not what the media has told us. That's for certain. Those are lies, 100%. But it's not what like the Reddit historians have said. Yeah. And it's probably in here and then we all go, ugh.

1:53:43All right. Yeah. Like that is, I wonder if like there's something like that even to the Epstein list. Like everybody's waiting for this Epstein list and they're waiting for it to be like direct logs where it's like Bill Gates paid for anal from a 16 year old at like 430 or whatever and then it's like name pictured fucking whatever it is and then every time they hand out like the binder or whatever it is nothing that crazy comes out now don't get me wrong I believe he's like a prolific pedophile like if he's if he who's involved in it defended it anybody who's on the fucking flight logs put them in prison like let's we need some justice here but have we created an idea of what this is which is so far removed from what it actually is right and that's why they haven't really like this is gonna be so upsetting there's seven people they're gonna think they're gonna think we're liars anyway right like because imagine they gave us listen there was like there was like 25 people on it right we'd be like man you fucking pieces of shit lying to us again like the only thing we would believe if if literally every single world leader went in there right they did yeah they this list better be so that's why i think they're still work they're probably working with like top producers eli roth like guys who really can put on a good show todd phillips you know until how do we sell this story to the american people then he was on here like he's off but yeah i think yeah how do we what This better be good.

1:55:14Why don't we just get, this is the way I was thinking we solved it. The guy who gave, who let Epstein manage his money is this guy named Les Wexner or something like that. He's this guy who started Victoria's Secret. And like, I don't even think Epstein went to college or something. So like, how the fuck do you end up managing this billionaire's money? This guy's like 90 years old. Give him immunity. Just go, yeah, this guy right here. Les Wexner. Les Wexner, okay? He's a billionaire. He's 87 years old. You just go listen. You're about to fucking die. Can you just tell us what happened? Right.

1:55:47Tell us what happened. We'll give you immunity. you don't get to die a hero at all you're a piece of shit that probably funded this whole fucking thing or connected different people to different stuff we don't know what the fuck you're involved you're involved you're involved you don't get to die a hero you're a hero you're a hero you're a hero you're a hero you're a hero you're a hero you're somebody who was involved says it specifically yeah and i don't believe gillane because i think her pops was he was part of massad right like so i don't believe anything she's gonna say so yeah nobody's gonna tell the truth right like i'm just amazed that that many people wanted to be pedophiles or whatever so here's the thing i don't know that's part of me doesn't believe that i'm like you're telling me i don't think they wanted to i think that i think he was like yo i got some young bitches on an island we're all gonna fuck but i don't think that he said i have underage women to incriminate you on an island right i think he's like yo i got some 20 year old fucking russian bitches they're on an island and all these dudes were like oh we're gonna go party with russian bitches like i wonder if it's as simple as like some club promoter going i got a table full of girls at tau tonight you want to party and people go well that sounds like a great idea nobody's ideing those girls right and they're for sure on idm because why would they go yeah this guy's going to make me a pedophile this weekend.

1:57:13Yeah. Right. Like, so, and then maybe afterwards they go, by the way, that girl was this old. So I'm going to need you on a certain day to do a favor. That's how I would imagine it would be most effective. And what if some of the girls were not even underage or anything? You don't even know if you got, if you could have somebody say that you're so scared, you're already like, you're, there's some favor in the wind that alone, the mirage of that would that's the biggest thing you have no fucking idea that's a great point too they don't even you're gonna be so scared like well first of all i don't want to see i'm so bad at sex i don't want anybody to see a video of it fucking a hooker on an island still is bad if you're like a political figure that has a family and you have children like right you could be it could be old they could be old enough and it's still like you don't want that out because it ruins your career yeah so yeah there are many ways to to do it that yeah i mean it's definitely and then it's like how do you doctor all that up to present it to the american because it's a fucking you have to find you have to serve a mona lisa yeah to the american people there's because there's no but then they're like we have to make sure all these people that information that's released but maybe some of that's true if like you put information and has a name in it that you're not sure and then you get sued by that person or you got to protect these girls who are underage and they were raped by these famous people and like they have moved on with their lives they got families do they want their information out there in the world probably not they're like i don't want to relive that shit so redact me or whatever that term is yeah but yeah i just feel like we're at this point where like if we're going through this phase in america where we are we're an all-time low trust in all of our institutions and what happens from here there's two ways we go talk talk to me it gets better somehow or or it starts to devolve even more and crazier see it gets deeper and deeper it's so funny because yeah i i've had both feelings Yesterday I had the feeling like, holy shit, dude.

1:59:06Nobody's going to know where to trust anything anymore. It's going to get really interesting. Or you start being honest. Like that's kind of – that's why – Right. Or you start being honest. And like we're Americans. We can deal with shit. Like we've dealt with horrible things before in our past. Even as humans we can. That's it. So it's like, and I think there's a version where like accepting these things and moving on allows us to have even more pride where right now we're in this like age of like ambiguity where like we want to be really proud, but we're like, but is some of this shit true? Like we're just unsure.

1:59:47Let us accept it. Let's accept these, the stains on our history and then let's move on and make greater history. Let's make greater things to be proud of. I think it's a moment in history to be proud of where your administration comes in. They go, listen, we unfortunately, the government let these food companies poison you. You know, and a lot of people are negatively impacted like that. A lot of people got cancer probably because of food that they were eating. And that's that's fucked up. That's horrible. And we're going to either punish some of those food organizations or bare minimum. We're going to make it illegal for them to do that shit.

2:00:19Hey, some of these pharmaceutical companies, they were jabbing you up with shit that you didn't need to be jabbed up with. And they were doing that so they could profit. we're going to either punish them or we're going to stop allowing them to do it so the next generation of americans doesn't have to go through what you guys went through and then you go you know what's fire about america we realize when we fucked up and we have the energy and excitement and the confidence the self-esteem to go all right we're changing it and we're going to live up to the expectations that we have for ourselves yeah and i that's why i like you could say whatever you want about rfk it seems to me what he wants to do is make a positive change for people let's see if he's able to do it but in terms of making america healthy or whatever the slogan is why would you not want america to be more healthy like yeah give the guy a second to fucking try it like every minute they're like this is the problem today and then that becomes a story every day it's just like how fucked up it is and i have friends now that are addicted to the news and i'm just like dude just live your life see everything's gonna probably be fine it's already been fine we're already damaged we all have cancer or whatever everything you know we're doing our best and shit and like um you know how drastically bad you expect things to get you know um wouldn't it be cool like this is all i said like obviously you know i have a daughter so i'm like and she's of the age we're going through vaccines and stuff and it's terrifying you know i was talking to joe about this it was like it's the most terrifying thing you ever experienced in your life is you have the most perfect thing you've ever created and you have to put something in them and you've watched a video on YouTube that says that it could do something horrible to her.

2:01:48But if you don't do it, she could get some disease that could do something horrible to her. So you're like, how do I protect my kid? There's a fork in the road and both potentially lead to horrible. How do I protect my kid? I would love nothing more than to do an intense, and I'm sure they've already done this. So if you have and call me an idiot, that's fine. I'm an idiot, whatever. But intense research into the vaccinations. And I would love nothing more if we found out, hey, you know what it looks like? They are safe for them. And there's very low chance cause of anything negative for your kid.

2:02:18How much nicer would that feel than right now what all of us new parents are feeling, which are like, do I have to delay it? Like, which ones, how do I protect my child? Like, just, like, we want the research. We want it. We want to know. And I think if you gave Bobby an out, or, you know, even if it was 20 minutes a week where he gave a speech or something, and maybe that he should start doing that to update people, Robert Kennedy Jr., to say, hey, this is where things are at, and we're going to try our best, and this is what we're going to try to do. Maybe that would be great to have some sort of an address.

2:02:50Love it. You know, Trump's addresses, sometimes they're so, you know, they're Trumpian, you know, they're just like kind of the bare facts and like, you know, we're going to win type shit. So maybe if you had Vance give something that was a little bit more elongated and a little bit more, had a little bit more personal notation and feeling to it. Didn't FDR do that? I think they were called the fireside chats. Oh, yeah. Where he was talking to people. I think you're right. We might need something like that. Dude, because there's so much muck out there. There's so much bullshit information. And like, we're guilty of that too.

2:03:20We just spout whatever on the fucking mic and who knows if it's true or not. But it'd be nice if we had information disseminated from the people in power. It might be wrong or it might be right, but they are the people in power. So we can at least hold them to that standard. If they say that they're doing this specific thing and we disagree with it, we can be like, I disagree with that. Yeah. But if Bobby's coming out and he's going, listen, we're getting the red dye out of here. It doesn't benefit anybody. There are other ways to create, I don't know, sugar coloring substitutes that are less harmful to you.

2:03:50Does anybody disagree with this? Everybody goes, no. Okay. Done. Right. Thanks. Yeah, there's still so many people that just want somebody to be wrong all the time, you know. So maybe that'll start to go away. I don't know. But yeah, I think if I wake up each day and I looked at everything as politics and stuff, it just starts to wear on you. And then that algorithm learns you. And then you're a fucking puppet. You become a puppet. What else is going on? Let's think of something. I'm trying to think of something. Was there a job that you had when you were young that you miss ever? That you were like, I'm fucking good at this shit.

2:04:24It wasn't that I was good at it, but I liked mowing lawns. like I felt like uh accomplished afterwards like I'd look at it and I'd go wow I did that that was kind of annoying it was hard but there here's this thing that I did and it looks better now and I felt proud of it and uh I think there's a version of that in creating stuff in general but I think very early I I like to to work on something and then see the thing I created Yeah. And so, yeah, there was something really nice about that. Now I get to do a job where I like the actual work part and I like seeing the end product. I didn't enjoy the work part of it.

2:05:06But, yeah, I think that – I'm trying to think. I mean I just worked in like restaurants. Oh, yeah, you definitely did. I can see you for sure. For sure. What restaurants was I working at? Oh, obviously. Macaroni Grill, dude. No. Dude, you wore a cape at Macaroni Grill. I'm sure. There's no way you didn't. We didn't have a Macaroni Grill in the city, man. Hey, look. We needed a Macaroni Grill. That's your origin story. I worked at a pizza shop. I do look like I could pull off Pizza Shop, right?

2:05:40I looked like I was arguing with Spike Lee. I'm trying to think of whatever. What about you? I worked at Pizza Shop, man. I love that shit, dude. What was the first time, do you remember the first time as a kid that you made money and, like, the feeling of that? Oh, yeah. We had, they'd pay you to clean up. We had, like, wishing wells in our town or whatever, and they'd pay you to clean them out, like, the city. It's like take the coins out of it. Yeah, get in there. Like, you had to take a ladder down and get all the shit out and stuff. And there's, like, people throw fucking trisks, like, a lot of used, like, to-go waters and shit in that bitch.

2:06:14A lot of Popeyes in that bitch. Decent amount of money. Not as much as you would think. Yeah. It's mostly garbage. We found a fucking sword had blood on it one time, or like a pretty scalibur or whatever. Yeah. But yeah, cleaning out those one summer, that was probably the first job I ever had, really. But get you a little bit of money. Hide my money, too. Really? I used to put my money in a crown royal bag, hide it in the yard. How old were you? Dig a hole and hide it. Probably 11, maybe 12. That's a nice bag. That bitch was nice, boy. You keep that bag. Isn't that weird? Yep, had some doubloons in it that I caught at some of the parades.

2:06:51Like the Mardi Gras parades. There's just these little medallions kind of like. They're not worth any money. But they had pictures of like different historical figures from Louisiana on them because you catch them at Mardi Gras. And I put them in a bag and hide them in a yard. And why do you think you were hiding your pride? Didn't trust anybody in the house. I knew everybody in that bitch, yeah. Really? My three siblings and my mom, I was burying that shit. I ain't fucking laughing. Do you still talk to your siblings? Oh, yeah, we talk now. Things are good now. But at the time, I didn't trust anybody.

2:07:18that pastor dude because i was sneaking in their room and stealing shit that's where it comes from that's when you ain't shit you assume other people ain't shit it starts here though i don't trust me so much i don't trust you

2:07:39that's crazy dude what else man what's up with the culture how's black stuff going over there i know they have that new rapper gen lee have you seen him yeah yeah yeah i thought it's gin lee is it gin like gin for ginger well first of all he's a black dude that says he is sorry he's a white dude that says the n-word he put two n's in it so he misspelled it so he could be either one that's all i'm saying but but yeah he's uh it's interesting yeah he is and he's like he's he's confident saying it he seems really like he's from that culture yeah so now are we witnessing that word become more of a cultural thing and not a specific race thing that's what i wonder because i'm just wondering like say you're so much a part of the culture and it seems like he is like he has black friends he says the word around them if you're so much a part of it but then you can't say that thing are you then does that feel like the culture isn't saying well you're you're you're here but you're not you're not so i i have no idea but it's just it's interesting It is interesting because it is like – so I guess when I was growing up in New York, it was a thing that white people, we would never say and you could not say.

2:08:50But like Puerto Ricans that were kind of like white presenting would say it and that was fine. I think even like Mexicans were kind of saying it. Sometimes even Asians would say it. But it felt really like a word white people were not allowed to say obviously because of the historical context. Yeah. But that situation right there is quite interesting. Like if he did grow up in this culture, maybe it's his friend's way of saying we don't see you as different, bro. Right. Like we actually see you as one of us and we don't feel any negative sentiment when you say it. And this is our way of saying we accept you and you're not different.

2:09:28Maybe. Again, I don't know. I'd have to ask them. Whereas, like, if somebody else said it who is not from the culture at all, they'd be like, yeah, you can't say that. And that's their way of saying you're not from the culture, bro. Right. Like, you are not. You are a visitor here, and you're not allowed to say that thing. Right. Yeah, that's kind of a hard thing. I just think it's interesting. It's kind of interesting because you have people defending him online. You have people calling him out online. Yeah. And some of his music is great, man. I mean, it's catchy. I'm curious to see. like it's yeah it's like and some of the lines he's saying like you know don't get in trouble because of my shit like you know i'm not saying this because i'm i'm just saying this because this is who i am right he even expresses in like that stand on it song like don't don't get in it don't repeat my shit just to get now you get in trouble right which i think is yeah that's empathetic it's at least giving his story right because he probably is aware that oh shit white kids might see me doing this and then they think it's okay for them to do it and now they're getting fucked up and so he's like listen your life might not be my life like like right at least you put a safety precaution on this shit like a lot of people that's like better than the parental advisory yeah it's just there's a there's a white disclaimer yo you are not me yeah yeah yeah that's a ginger advisory right there that's a ginger advisory dude but this is gonna this could potentially open up gateways for some gingers to say the n-word and some spicy some because they've long been looming on the edge of the culture the ring around saturn they call them and it's like it'll be interesting to see what happens yeah do we that's something like we gotta ask ourselves like are we fully accepting of gingers like are white people fully accepting of the gingers i mean look i don't are you even what do you like part something right my father's from nicaragua my and my mother's just white yeah but um i don't you know i've thought you know yeah I'm not an MW guy you're not dropping it I'm not that fuck no what am I fucking trying to prove to somebody but I do remember they had like this cool band I went to a black fraternity and we'll get you out of here in a second which one?

2:11:31I wasn't in one it was like Snoop or something

2:11:37Theta Noop or something bring up a couple of black fraternities over there Southern Alpha what is it? University Alpha Kappa Psi Alpha Beta Phi Beta Kappa Alpha Psi that might have been it The Kappas are Have you seen the Kappas before? Kappas are cool They like They got like a cane And they do like These cool dances with the cane My boy was My boy was a Kappa in college And uh That could have been it They were like swagged out And then the uh What is the The Omegas Those are like the uh The athlete That's like the athlete frat Oh really? You know Shaq Yeah Oh Shaq has that The Q-Dog Oh that thing Q-Dogs Yeah yeah yeah I think it was Q-Dog shit Right?

2:12:16They invited They had like a It was like It was a It was Nickelback but it was black guys doing it, right? It was like... Don't even say it. Don't even say it. I'll tell you what it was. Don't even say the name of that cover band. Don't even say the name of the Nickelback black cover band, Theo. We've almost done the whole pod, okay? We did a good job. We did a good job. I know you're trying to bait me with this, Jin Lee. We did a good job today, okay? we did a good job today hear me out here we go light it on fire light it was just a great i was like this is a crazy cover band don't do it and then one of their song was like oh this is how you remind me like it's not it's okay so they're okay so they're doing like hip-hop renditions this is a nick of nickelback Nick Cole back.

2:13:19And just make sure he's there right. Yeah. We don't even have to go into it. That's so crazy how we all know exactly how it was spelled. But yeah, look, I just felt welcome to be in the building. So that's all I'm saying, dude. This is how you remind me. You're not mean.

2:13:40Never made it as a wise man. I'm sorry because I spit that whole song right now. I spit that whole shit right now. Couldn't cut it as a pole man's belief We gotta stop It's only gonna get worse Congratulations on life The new special's out now Congratulations on being a dad man Thank you Yeah thanks for being just somebody It's good to have like that There's different podcasters in different parts of the country And different parts of like The world you know And it's just we're lucky to be able to do this And to be able to spend these conversations I gotta come up there and get on your pod this summer, man.

2:14:22Oh, please, man. I want you on Flagrant and I want you on Brilliant Idiots, man. I'll be up there in April, I think, for a week. You and Charlotte got to kick it, man. We got to get together, I know. Even if we just go grab a drink, I think you guys would hit it off, bro. Oh, I'm sure we would. You guys have great vibes. He's incredible, man. He's incredible. I've only heard good things, man. It would be an honor. But thank you so much for your time, dude. I know it's very valuable and it means a lot and I just appreciate it. Congrats on everything, man. You too, man. super stoked for you bro congratulations dude this jacket Zach Bryan gave me this jacket it's very hot in here I saw I saw in the back I was trying to fit in a little so this is black as I get today brother the Zach Bryan tour jacket that kind of shows you where I'm at you know thanks man alright you bet man peace oh that was great now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take