#583 - Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson

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31:41So, dude, it was like I would drive to school and if I didn't park, I wasn't learning. That was it. I took the bus. Yeah. Oh, damn. I took the bus down Pico. I'll never forget. At that time, I had a young lady I was dating. She lived in the jungles across from Dorsey High School, right off Coliseum in the third building. I'll never forget. And I would take the bus. I would take the bus to the school. What was it like playing? Because that was a community college, but it was probably a really good program they had. It was the best that they could have. It was good. Especially back then, obviously, Steve Smith Sr.

32:08He was on the team with me. And I needed that. I needed to get out of the environment out here in Miami. Because this is where you started out at? Yeah. With AB? Was AB running when you were running? Well, he was a little younger. Oh, he was? Yeah, AB was a little younger. But did you hear about him or no? Yeah, I watched him in high school when he was that in New Orleans. Yeah, I've been watching AB for years. And his dad was also from Miami? Troy Brown. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Hollywood. Touchdown Brown. Who was that right there? That's Eddie Brown. Touchdown Eddie Brown. That's AB's daddy.

32:36His father. That's AB's dad? That's his dad. Serious? Yeah. His father had the most touchdowns. He still holds a record, I think. Most touchdowns in arena football. Wait, that's his dad for real? Mm-hmm. I didn't know that. Touchdown Eddie Brown. Oh, that's dope. But I don't know how many siblings and stuff he has. He gets put on the CTE bus a lot. You know, he gets put on that baby bus. Do you think that's true or do you think it's— Nah, I think he knows what he's doing. And he played into the CTE thing real well. You know, his CTE ESPN— Hilarious, dude. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. And he's kind of bridging a little bit.

33:18He does a little bit of racial bridging kind of. Yeah, a little bit. Because he'll call people—you know, he'll call some guy Crack or something. some guy the n-word he'll mix it he'll call it asian the n-word he don't get hey there's no he's he's in a space right now where he knows what he's doing and he knows how to get that traction he knows how to get that reaction you know i cheer him on because i do find that it's interesting where he's at and i hope he can figure out the best way to manage it i mean look at this hey listen he's he's on the right he's on a historic run right now he's on he's on a historic run in his own lane doing what he does i love him to death i love him to death you know um obviously a friend of mine before football oh really yeah before football yeah this goes way back and that's someone i will always support whether whether it's up close whether it's from afar um you know his decisions that he makes you know that's him he's a grown man but there's one thing about him i'm always loving he no that's nice to hear man yeah there's i will say this there's something extremely lovable about him right yeah it's like whatever he does or whatever he's like anything he's saying like him as a person he has such a like a warm energy and smile and now i haven't seen like a darker side of him there may be i don't know but he's got such a smile that it's like you want to get on you want to hear what's going to get what's going to happen with him yeah you know very interesting very very unpredictable unpredictable that's what makes it that's what makes it so awesome because you don't know what the fuck excuse me you don't know You can curse?

34:46You can curse. You don't know what the fuck is going to happen next. Because I don't even think he knows. He might know, but you're like, I'm going to ride with him even if he doesn't. Listen, everything AB does right now is strategic. It's strategic. It's planned out, and he's two steps ahead of everybody else. Yeah. I love hearing that. Yeah, Belichick really opened a portal with dating a young lady, man. Yeah. I mean, a portal. Yeah, I had an opportunity to work with Bill this past season on NFL films. So Bill was there with me and Ryan Clark and Chris Long. And did you get to meet his girlfriend then?

35:17No, I didn't meet her. I think I might have saw her once. People are almost overshadowing his acumen and what he's done with her. The media will do that a lot of times. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Bill is Bill. Bill is going to be able to do what he wants to do. His resume speaks for itself. And I'm excited for Bill, obviously, and what he's going to do, turning that UNC program around and getting another opportunity to coach the NFL. Now, what he decides to do with his personal life, that's one thing I stay away from. You know, I always stay away from stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm trying to think, because my dad was 70 when I was born.

35:53My mom was 32, right? So they had, what is Bill's difference in it? 74 and 23, right? So, yeah, I mean, you know, I didn't love having an old dad. If they had children, I don't know if I loved having an old dad because, you know, it's like a limited time offer. you know every time you see him that shit the clock is you know oh the clock is ticking heaven's gonna make a draft pick you know so you start to see that 49 year age gap but who knows if they're in love yeah listen love who loves you love who loves you that's that's all i can say do you feel like it's risky like with uh athletes and stuff there's a lot of like Like, you know, there's a lot of potential for to get in a sticky situations because a lot of athletes, they're, you know, they're people know that they have money.

36:48Yeah, they're they're in great shape. You know, it seems to be like it happens more often than not. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. I mean, you got it. You got to be cautious. You got to be weary and always understand that, you know, sometimes most of those that you'll deal with, most of those who will deal with you is because of what you can do and not who you are. How do you try and figure that out? You can't. You don't think? You can't figure it out because you always have to lean into it with that same thought process. Like, what are you saying? you have to understand especially when you have money and you have things going on for yourself would you be able to get the same girl that's with you now if you didn't have it nine times nine times out of ten absolutely not not that's just that's reality you know i don't know and like that go that goes for every that goes for any and everybody you know like that's just life that's just the way it is right you could if you lost the ability to provide the woman you're with right now would she still be there and that's probably for any man really almost in any space period if you lost the ability to provide yeah period or do the things or give her the lifestyle that you've been able to what was she doing before you came along yeah and look what you've done with that certain individual that you're with you know and depending on how much money you have your leash is very long and when things hit the roof most of the time when she leaves you she has to take that money with her to continue that lifestyle oh yeah that's a tough Divide it up.

38:20Yeah. Do you have, you have a lot of, you have a decent amount of children. Yeah. A lot. 85. You have 85. Is that your goal? Yeah. Yeah. Boy, you got to get. But then also the people I've had kids with, we were all on one accord. What does that mean? We were all on one accord. I only dated women that were athletic. I'm not having kids just to, just to have kids. Oh, so do you have some strategy? Yeah. There was strategy behind mine. I don't care about you being a bad bitch. I don't care about you being on IG with your ass out. And no BBLs, all of that. I mean, that's fine. Whatever you need to do to feel better about yourself, I'm fine with that.

38:54But I needed and only dated women that were athletic. Wow. So my kids had a head start on that foundation of athletic ability. That's it. So I look at women. I look at ankles. Yeah, because I look at some track. Do you see some of them track women? Yeah, my daughter runs track at University of Kentucky now. Oh, really? Yeah. I live in Nashville, man. That's not far. For real? Yeah, if you go up to a meet, I'll come up there and meet up with you guys. In Lexington? Yeah. Dude, that'd be awesome. Yeah. Because I bet they'll also run against LSU on LSU. If they run against LSU or Vanderbilt. Dude, that'd be sick, bro.

39:25I'll come up there, man. Yeah. And I don't have, I never have really have this. There she is. Yeah. This is when she was young. And she's good, huh? Oh, yeah. She can go. She can go. She can't beat me, but she can go. Do you think she'll be able to beat you at some point? Absolutely not. Because before my, any of my, listen, before my kids beat me in anything, I would trip her. I'm just being honest. I would trip her before she beat me. Yeah. Not happening. Not happening. Dang. So was her mother athletic? Absolutely. Yeah, dude. You see those track ladies? All of them. Did you cheer? Did you play volleyball?

40:05Did you run track? Volleyball, yeah. I mean, I just need to see. But cheer, sometimes you get these little nuggets. They get them little McNuggets out there. I know. I can tell. because when I go on dates, I like to go places where you have to show me athletic ability. Go to Dave and Buster's. Can you shoot? Now, if you don't have no form and can't shoot, I can't do nothing with you. Go bowling. Go roller skating. Oh, that's a good one. So I hold my own. Roller skating, baby. That's ice skating for black people right there. That's what that is, dude. The combine. I hold my own combine. They think we're going on dates.

40:37Little do you know, I'm taking notes. Okay, you can bowl. Okay, you don't really have any coordination. You got to stop, watch. But I can work on that. Come on, Che. Yeah, go to the gym. Oh, Joe. A gym date? Oh, please. Take them to the gym on a second date? Yeah, yeah. First date, Dave and Busters. You know, check out coordination. Let me see how your lateral movement is. Hey, Theo, you laughing. That shit is important. No, it looks like - Sometimes, listen, some of these guys - No, that's a good point. Yeah, they date women. Oh, she's so fine. She's on IG Live. She fine as hell. Blah, blah, blah.

41:09You have a child. Your child got two left feet, and you wonder why your child get picked last in PE. Yeah, your child out there, he's swimming a little circle. Yeah, that's it. Oh, they come home sad. Nobody picked me. Nah, fuck that. Yeah, fuck that, dog. If she can't play kickball, I'm out. Oh, dude. Because that's a good test of a lot of different sports at once. A lot. Run and kick it at the same time. You know how hard that is to do? Very tough. The coordination to be able to run forward and kick in rhythm. Yeah. That's the fucking Mozart of athletics to me, boy. kickballs show you a lot yep absolutely that's what i'm saying this but there's a lot of traps a lot of people don't think like that because you have to think too like do you so do you think do you think a lot of men because i feel like a lot of let me get this right so in the nfl they got a lot of guys it seems like who want to have a lot of children right do you think that that's true no i think at times like is that a stereotype with black you get a community do they have a lot of guys who want to have a lot of children there are a lot of white guys who they have a lot of kids as well yeah but i think we just get caught up in the moment most of the time and i think our counterparts on the other hand um they have a little bit more a little bit more discipline in that area but i think they they they're not as bad as us but also they're even our counterparts i mean white white guys okay so white guys versus black guys yeah i'm not even looking at it like in a i guess i am looking at obviously in culture right i'm not really looking at it in race but i'm looking at it in culture right so i'm thinking in black culture is it more of a thing to have it It happens a lot because we get caught up in the moment.

42:43Okay. We get caught up in the moment. Now, I'm one who's one of those. And y 'all like to spike the ball, yeah. But for me, everything I've done was strategic and not done on purpose. There was a method to my madness. There's a method to my, nobody's, I'm not having kids, nobody's running to child support and old Chet. No, no, because we all had one end goal. You understood what it was. And I also had kids with people that I've known before I even made it. So there were no ulterior motives like most have when you meet them once you've already had money. Yeah. So it's different. Yeah, you give me some thought at an equinox or something.

43:13And you have a child, and the first thing, you wonder why things don't work out. Yeah. Not things most times don't work out. But no, it's like, yeah, you don't know who you're, you don't, you're putting yourself at risk. Yeah, most definitely. So you're saying instead of risk, you have more strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely, most definitely, most definitely. Yeah, because I just wonder, sometimes I wonder in black culture, do they view, do black men view the world differently? Like, is there a, do they view it more as like a, I'm a king and this is my castle? Nah. I don't. I don't. You know, that's just how I wonder sometimes.

43:43Or like, yeah, like, is there strategy sometimes? Well, I gave you mine. Right. And I've always lived by that, no matter who it was. I don't care how fine you are. I'm not here to raise models. I want athletes. So therefore, I'm going to procreate with those who give me just that. You might start a little dynasty. Listen, you'll have fun and go on dates. And for those who are not that, but when it comes to having kids, oh, honey, uh-uh. I don't care how fine you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a kid. Your kid walking at three weeks. Running at four. Yeah. For his first birthday, you get him a hurdle.

44:23Do you think, what else am I thinking about? Do you think, do you think there's a lot of gay, they just had a guy, they were talking about a gay gentleman in the NFL. Do you think there's more gay men in the NFL that we just don't know about? And they're afraid to say it. They probably don't want to. It'd make people uncomfortable. And the media would make it a big deal. Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. And listen, I wouldn't have a problem with it, you know, because I'd be the one making jokes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, listen, I'd be the one making jokes. I don't care what you are. Gay, trans, ABC, I don't care.

45:00I'm accepting of all. Yeah. And I would have a time. But yeah, I'm still kind of caught up on them. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And it's probably for the best because if you get some good jokes going, that's the thing about joking all the time. It's like they tried to make joking a crime over the past like 10 years. Everything is, everybody's very sensitive. Yeah. That's one reason I like AB is because he just, you know in his heart that he probably doesn't have a lot of malice in that world. Right. But he likes to have fun, you know. That's one thing I think that black culture does better than white culture does is tell jokes.

45:33If you get around and you start clowning on somebody, but you're right there with them, they know you're supporting. Yeah. But man, that's it. And then, you know, the next bullet is coming. The next time they get a chance, it's coming for you. Yeah, most definitely. That's the most fun, dude. I don't know why people are, they call it homophobic, you know, I think. And I think that's one of the reasons a lot of players don't want to come out, you know, or people in general that might swing the other way. I mean, shoot, fuck it. It's who you're living your truth And plus they got some gangster gay dudes out there Damn bro It's not like the gay dudes 20 years ago Everybody was feminine Drawing a rainbow bright or something They got gay dudes to beat your ass Literally I've always been fond of that community They've always showed love to me And I've always showed love back Oh yeah they got some severe gay dudes That's a song right there By Eves

46:41I didn't know they had this song. I've never heard this. Who sings that? That's great. This is great.

46:52It's funny. It's funny, especially where we are in the world right now, that some people, based on occupation and based on what you do, you really can't come out because it can jeopardize what you have going on but it feels like the only place that is kind of well maybe there's i'm sure there's probably like some like probably farming communities like uh you know i bet there's probably farming communities and maybe the in and maybe athletics but i don't know in women's athletics it's accepted oh it's accepted yeah it's probably just in men's athletics do you think that there's a if you took the gay players from all the team you think you could make a you think you could make a gay team in the nfl No, probably not.

47:29So you don't think there's enough gay men to make a team? No, no, not that many. Which division do you think in the NFL probably have the most gay players? I have no idea. That's a good one. I have no idea because I don't know everybody's preference. Right, but if you had to guess, even just by looking at some of it. Let's pull up the – That's the funny thing about it. You can't look at somebody and tell. No, you can't, but I'm just saying look at some of these records, though. The Cowboys. That's last year? No. Oh, okay. Hey, that's a good one. I mean, to be able to statistically rate how many people would be, you would never know.

48:05Right, you would never know. But it's fun to guess with your friends. But I will say this. I think it would be great if they had a gay team. You think so? Yeah, because you know how many people would support them? It would be huge. People always want the underdog, right? They always want the underdog. Would they really be the underdog? i that's a good point would they really be the underdog right but i think they would be billed as the underdog right just in general right in general that's a good point that's a fair statement would they actually physically and capability to be the underdog no we have no idea right because we don't know what the team is but i think they would get billed as this underdog which would give them a chip on their shoulder type of mentality right now i think it's one of the reasons why you see like oh they have a national gay football they got a squad already i'm telling you bro we're getting close and everybody throw with their left arm in that thing boy yeah look at that i didn't i didn't know they had that

49:09oh i bet that's hype dude i went to the uh women's um lingerie bowl one time I remember Landry football used to be huge They hit each other They go crazy I've seen some of the clips on Twitter And they were beautiful too I like the outfits God yeah Shoulder pads, legs, breasts, knees Everything, head, arms God that shit was nice Yeah right here And they talk a lot of trash They talk a lot of shit right there They be like bitch I'm gonna knock you over ovaries out. Gangsta shit like that. This is dope. I'm a knocking nipples off that say shit like that. I want to do they still they don't have this anymore, huh?

49:58I don't know. Have you ever considered investing in a type of athletic league? Nah, nah. No, I will stick to the things I know. And that that is that is cigars. Yeah. Cigars and kids. Those are my investments. Okay. Do you think they have one last question on gay players? Do you think they got enough? Ocho, tell me this. Do you think they got enough gay players in the NFL to beat the Jets?

50:31Be real with me, Ocho. I have no idea. You would have to go by a position. Is there one gay player to each position that is one of the best in the game at their position? but even then, I'm not sure. The Jets obviously looked bad last year. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling how they're going to be this year now that they have a quarterback in Justin Fields. So we'll see what happens. That's a good question. I would like to see that game. I like that hypothetical. Thank you, sir. I would love to see that. And who would I even cheer for in that? I would cheer for the gay team. I probably would too.

51:03Yeah. I'd be out there. Shit, I would coach my water boy, them dogs. I'd be out there water boying, dude. dude, we got a little bit of zest sauce for everybody in the huddle. How tough is it for a player if you're going to a new team, if you know that the quarterback hasn't had a ton of success, is that a tough spot to be in? How do you manage your expectations? Like, you know, you're going to a team where, you know, maybe you leave in a team that had like a Drew Brees or a Tom Brady, right? And you know the balls are coming, right? And you know they're going to be in a vicinity where you can catch them.

51:37And you know there's going to be 30 passes a game. And then you get into a spot where you're at a quarterback that's going to throw 22 passes a game. And he's maybe going to get 170 yards out of him, 140 yards, you know. It all depends on the quarterback and the offense you go to and how much they're going to use you. It's all on how good you are. Obviously, if you're going to another team, most of the time, you're not who you thought you were. Most of the time. So you have to think about that. If you weren't regarded that much that they are keeping you, you're not who you thought you were. Unless you're on the back end of your career.

52:11Normally, once a player hits year 10, they move on from you, regardless of who you are, no matter how good you are. You know, Jerry Rice, T.O., Randy Moss, at some point, teams even moved on from them. And we talk about some of the greats ever. But when it happens early, you know, you're in year three or year four, it is time to look in the mirror and say, how can I make myself more valuable if they were willing to move on from me? and what are ways you think that players can do that like what can you do to make yourself got to work on your craft you got to got to work on your craft how their players coming in year in year out always but how can i continue to main make sure my value stays at a high level yeah worth to where no matter who's coming out you won't be able to get this kind of production from anyone else and that's that's that's the fight every year you got somebody coming behind you.

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56:18So that's not a myth. Oh, no, absolutely. Coaches like that. Coaches like that. A good guy, clean guy, one that you know not going to have any problems. He's going to show the young dudes on how to work, how to work on your craft and approach and study, study film and stuff like that. That's very valuable outside of production. Amen. do you think when you look at your career do you think you could have operated differently in some years to get have gotten more out of yourself right we all look you know because I'm critical of myself right you know I look back and I want to do the best I can even though I don't know what it is sometimes but I want to do my best and sometimes I'll look at certain interviews like I interviewed Mark Zuckerberg a couple weeks ago from um the Facebook guy you know right right right and I like I should have done I knew I could have done better I think I had like a little bit of a plan but i think i got nervous and so when i look back on that i'm like man i wish i would have asked some things that were more important right things i really wanted to ask but i was afraid to right um do you look back in certain years of your career like yeah i could have done some things differently at this time either i was younger or i was i mean when i look back at my career i would have done everything i did plus more because i had some great ideas that i didn't get didn't get a chance to do you know like what do you mean by that i mean just the fun the fun i would i would to push the envelope even more really just having a good time having a good time because listen NFL is not for long and I had a short window to maximize as much as I could not out of myself and out of the NFL and I did I did just that which is one of the reasons why I'm still going to this day right and forward but looking back you're like man if I didn't know what I know now if I know then what I know now then I could have done even more right yeah most definitely but that like is that what you mean or do you mean like physically training more like do you know no no no just my approach to the game in general just on field stuff so what do you why do you feel like your attitude was different at certain years no i was the same always i was always authentic myself what you see right now off camera or on camera it's the same way i was on field yeah you know that wasn't it that wasn't a character that was really me and i just chose not to conform and not to behave the way they said i should yeah the way i played in nfl the same way i played when i was in high school it was the same way i played when i was in pop corner just because you paid me millions of dollars i'm not changing who i am just for that absolutely not did you ever have teams try to like tell you to pipe like no they loved it never they loved it the referees loved it opposing teams coaches loved it opposing teams players loved it everything everything i did i could see that because there's this kind of a thing like even if somebody's the enemy if they're an enjoyable enemy do you kind of just thankful to have somebody around that's going to keep you entertained that's going to keep things fun not only entertainment but what i brought to the game and those I'm playing against, it was nothing but a competitive nature.

59:06Nothing I did was malicious. Yeah. But you knew one thing. If we play in Ocho or we play in the Bengals in general, I got to come to play. Yeah. Because I'm going to challenge you during the week through the media. Yeah. I sent gifts to the defenses we were playing, to the secondaries, just to make it fun. What kind of stuff? Like high heels or something? No, no. Like Pepto-Bismol to the Browns. I sent... Oh, because you're about to deal with this shit, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to make you sick to your stomach. I sent gifts to the Falcons before. Who else? The Steelers. I sent them some just fun, man.

59:39Just fun stuff. And they would always get the packages Saturday morning. Look. Oh, they're opening their packages, bro. Bro, you're like a fucking dangerous Santa. I was going to make them sick or they were going to get sick of covering me. So here's some Pepto ahead of time. All fun. All fun. That's hilarious. Do you think that kind of stuff can really affect the defense, you think? Just their mentality? What do you think it really does? It messes them up because if you go out there and you're trying to kill me, that lets me know you're out of control. You're out of control. So I do stuff like that.

1:00:13I like to play mental gymnastics. If I can get you out of your game, if I can get you talking to me in the middle of a game, I got a little edge on you. A little edge on you. I did that small edge. Because if you're worried about me personally, you're not worried about me as a player. Bingo. And you're not worried about the game in general as a whole itself. Damn. Dude, stuff like that is so true. It's like, cause you, cause when you say, if you look back on a, on a moment in your life and you're like, damn, I could have been a little bit more locked in or I let this get me a little and it did affect me and that happens.

1:00:44Yeah. So then if you think that of a head that way, you think if I can cause that to them, and I know that that outcome really occurs, then that, then that me causing that is worthwhile. Yeah, absolutely. That's so true. The funny thing about it is being out of control and trying to hurt an individual that you're playing against, which is what happened to me every game. I had no problem because I enjoyed playing very calm under chaos. So you're going to be chaotic. Somebody nice and relaxed and calm. And you being angry, that split second of anger, you're going to miss. You're going to whiff. You know, the game of football is a game of inches.

1:01:23Yeah. And once I know I'm in your head, I'm going to always have that half inch over you. Every time. Who hit you the hardest when you were playing, do you feel like? Brian Russell. Brian Russell? Brian Russell. Cleveland Browns. Garbage time. Carson threw a slant over the middle. Game is over. There was no reason I was supposed to be in the game. And I was knocked out. Watch this. Up top. All the way up top. Oh, God. And that is the one hit I took and was concussed. Yeah. And did he even call your email? No, he did nothing. It was good. I enjoyed it. You see the scoreline, huh? 34-10. Why am I even in the game?

1:02:07And it's what, a minute going o 'clock. But real talk, though, if they had taken you out of the game at this point, would you have been upset? Do you guys want to be in there getting stats? Or what's it really like? You know, I don't know why we were in the game at that point. I'm not sure. That game was over. Obviously, the Battle of Ohio, one of the biggest games for us. That's a good point. People came. Maybe they don't want to see the stars the whole time. Was there a quarterback that you – do you feel like you got the best opportunity with your quarterback? Yeah. Hell yeah. Carson? Yeah. Absolutely.

1:02:33I just don't know. You don't know if people are sitting there thinking like – Whoever the quarterback is didn't matter. You don't think so? No, because I'm coming in and my skill set was at a point, and how I felt, was I'm going to make your job easy. Bob Rikowski was the call for the coordinator when we played. I'm making your job easy. If you know you need to play and you need to catch or you need to, whatever it may be, you know whose number to call. Oh, yeah. That's my mindset. Like, I don't need you to be great throwing the ball. Just put it in the area. Just anywhere in the area. I'll take it to rest.

1:03:07Do you think players sometimes, like, at the end of games, they're, like, asking coaches, hey, give me, trade for me, or something like that. that people secretly like you. Yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah, that happens all the time. So people say it quick in that quick little hug. Hey, trade me. Trade for me. Yeah, absolutely. Trade for me, trade for me. Damn, because you wonder them hugs are fast, but sometimes you see their mouth moving. Yeah, that's why you see players always cover their mouth. But it's hard now because everybody's mic'd up. Oh, yeah. Everybody's mic'd up. So, yeah, that happens though.

1:03:39That's a good one. Do you feel like it's a... it.

1:04:12I wish I had me a cigar. in DR. Now we do man's production. Y 'all get down there in Dominican Republic, huh? Yeah. Now we distribute from Nicaragua now. Really? Yeah. That's where my dad's from, man. For real? That's dope. That's dope. That's crazy, bro. Oh, yeah. Wow, what are the odds of that, man? Boa Vidas. The good life, baby. Do you think, is this a make or break year for Joe Burrow? Tell me what you think. What do you think, old Joe? No, not make or break Like, hey, fuck, no. You don't think so? No, absolutely not. Make or break what? He ain't going nowhere? I know. He ain't going nowhere.

1:04:49But maybe in the perception of fans, you think it's, they got a great offense. Just crazy offense. I agree. So at that point, if you're going to give up 35 points, you've got to be able to score 40 points. Bingo. I'm glad you said that. Now, what we do need to do is we need to start fast. We just start early, you know, in the beginning of the season. You know, losing to the Patriots the way we did in the beginning of the season. It hurt us on the back end. We need to start fast. we don't have to rattle on other teams to lose or win. Of course, they have an opportunity to get into the playoffs.

1:05:18Nobody wants to see us offensively if we make it into the playoffs. Ravens, very good. Bills, very good. Chiefs, very good. And that will always be the three or four teams that are in the hunt every season. Who's the team you think coming this year might actually have a – that's going to be something different, do you think? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. There's always a surprise team every year. Because I'm a Saints guy. The Saints started off last year. They had two big games out of the gate. They beat Dallas by 30. They scored over 40 the first two games. And then it went bad. I mean, it went so sour.

1:05:54So I have no idea. And it's hard to tell. You know, you have some special players that have gotten drafted. So we're going to see how they can impact the game early and impact that team in general. Oh, yeah. So I'm curious. I'm excited to see, you know, what Travis Hunter does in Jacksonville. I'm excited to see what Abdul Carter does. Jackson Dart, who is over in New York now. He's with the Giants, right? Yeah, yeah. He'll probably sit down and Russell will be at the helm. That's going to be a pressuresome market over there. But it'll be interesting because Russell, you don't really know how it's going to go.

1:06:26Yeah, yeah. But listen, they got Malik Nabors, so they're going to be all right. LSU got Washington Commanders right there. I'm excited for them, man. They're going to always be in the hunt every year. Every football team in NFL is a quarterback away from being in contention year in and year out. The Commanders have their quarterback for the next decade. Why is it so hard to have, because you usually have about six, seven teams, eight teams that have good quarterbacks, right? The quarterback does well that year. Why is it so hard to have that position be good? Well, it's hard to find a quarterback that's good.

1:06:55But it's crazy. There's a ton of, it's like. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's not a ton of quarterbacks. You have tier ones. You know, your tier one quarterbacks are hard to combine. You have a 100 NCAA team, and you have a lot of guys that can play quarterback. They're not that good. Right. They're not that good. There's a reason why. You know, you're Patrick Mahomes, you're Joe Burrows, Lamar Jackson, you're Josh Allens. Oh, yeah. Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, and Trevor Lawrence should be in that conversation. CJ Stroud, maybe. CJ Stroud. You've got guys that are right there in that second range.

1:07:29Yeah. Those are tier one quarterbacks or should be based on their talent. but I don't know. But then you get a guy like Andy Dalton, he's a game manager, does a good job, right? But never can kind of get over that past like nine and seven or six and eight. He never can really, it just kind of amazes me sometimes. I'm like, you'd think that they would just try to put anybody in there, give them a shot. Nah, it doesn't work that way. You put anybody in there, you'll be home. Man, you put anybody in there, that's how coaches get fired. Oh yeah. You're getting fired. Do you ever think of coaching and getting into it?

1:07:58Absolutely not. No? No. They don't pay enough. And I make more now doing what I'm doing. I make more now than when I was playing. Damn. So I'm good. And that's such a blessing because, dude, a lot of guys, their career, it's hard enough to get out of college, get on an NFL team. And then that is huge for those guys, get the bread while you can get there. But then to have a career after that. It's like I'm looking at the Bustin' with the Boys guys, like Taylor LeJuan and Will Compton. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're good. They got in early. They have a great space now. Like there's so much like they have like a real imprint in society, you know?

1:08:35Yeah, they do. They're doing really well. It's cool. It's cool to see that kind of stuff. Pat McAfee did well with his as well. Oh, dude. Yeah, nobody's like him. Oh, yeah. There's nobody like him, man. Yeah, I'm trying to think of what else is going on, man. That's interesting to create a family based on I'm building for success, right? Absolutely. Is it hard to manage that big of a family with that many children? What's that like really? I run a tight ship. everybody here i run a tight ship those i have kids from we have the same end goal we got the same end goal and those i have kids from awesome mothers awesome mothers no issues no nothing how do you pick a good mother then that's an even that's an important question i think because a lot of people they'll just you know i don't ever do no ejaculation inside of right in my life you know you'll never know you know that what a good mother is but those i have Oh, you don't think you can tell?

1:09:26There's no way to tell. It's impossible. Well, I'm just saying, if you meet a lady and they're a good lady. I mean, being a good lady doesn't mean you'll be a good mother. You know? And I only date women that already have kids. You can take that kid off to the side and say, hey, man, what plays y 'all calling around here? It's just weird. It's just weird. What's the defense she's running? You got to have two or more kids. God, that's a thing. Yeah, you got to. Because I mean for me Dating a woman with no kids They never have fucking food at home Yeah They always want to go out to eat Yeah Oh yeah You know what it's like Now Theo I don't know if you experienced this But you know what it's like to have sex with someone that has kids And wake up at 3, 3.30 in the morning Get a fucking Capri Sun That's good That's fucking amazing Bro I make with half a mouth full of Lunchable I'll make love all night See that's what I'm talking about That's who I am, boy, with a jaw full of them little shakes, little ham.

1:10:25That's important to me. God, I love that. Having snacks in the pantry. Because you kind of get to be a kid and a husband at the same time in a way. Bingo, yeah. That's interesting. Those are my rules. Everyone, some people, oh, she has kids. I don't care. Oh, and if you wake up in the middle of the night, you can play video games too. Oh, my God. We're on the same page. That's what it's all about. You wake the kid up. I'll go in another room, wake a little fucking little Randall up. Hey, let's run Call of Duty real quick. Yeah, Randall, get up. Let's go do it. Let's run duo. I'm like, I have school tomorrow.

1:10:55You're about to get schooled right now, motherfucker. I love it. Let's do it. I love it. Especially if she has older kids. Yeah. Oh, that's perfect. Oh, that's perfect. Dang, that's a great point. Yeah. I mean, that's just me. Everyone else's thought process and approach to dealing with women isn't like mine. Yeah. That's fine. Well, yeah, a lot of people, yeah, they just, but it's risky out there. I think having some strategy as to what you do with your own seed is important. Very. Did you, you mentioned that your grandmother raised you? Yeah, grandma. What was your, so did you, did your grandma raise your siblings too or just you?

1:11:30No, it was just me. My brother was raised with my mom. Okay. That's how I ended up in LA. My mom was in LA at the time. And so my grandma, after I graduated high school, I went to Langston University. Langston? Yeah, NAIA school in Oklahoma. and I got thrown out for fighting. So I went back to Miami after getting expelled and my grandma was like, listen, I've done all I can with you. I washed my hands and that's how... Damn, you was in a bad spot? Yeah, that's how I ended up in LA at Santa Monica. Why, was your attitude bad? No, I just like to fight. You like to fight? Unfortunately. Fist fighting?

1:12:00Yeah, I like fist fighting. Like, I'm going to beat James Harrison ass. You fighting him? Yeah. James Harrison from Pittsburgh Steelers? Yeah, I'm going to fuck him up. I thought he passed away, man. No, no, no, no, no. He's okay. Yeah, he's okay. Yeah, he's alive and well. Bring up a picture of him. Well, not for long once you get him up. Yeah. Listen. Bring up a picture of him. Doesn't he have a child named, I thought he had a son that played James Harrison. Yeah, he's a coach, isn't he? No, no, no, no. He's done coach. Oh, no, he ain't a coach. God, he doing calendar work. Yeah. God damn, he doing, he on fucking OnlyFans.

1:12:33Look at this shit over here. Yeah, that's Devo. That's Devo. God, he going near his cage. Yeah. God dang, they fucking. Yeah, he's huge. He's a junkyard dog. He looks intimidating, doesn't he? Yes, he does. Yeah, I don't give a fuck. You really going to fight him? Fuck him up. God, I'll stand. I'll coach you, bro. Yeah, it's going to be good. I'll do your water in the back. I'll put ice on your neck. Yeah, very good friend of mine. But, you know, sometimes you got to come to feel it. Hey, look. Sometimes you got to establish dominance as a little man. Sometimes it is what it is. Remember the story?

1:13:02Why are y 'all fighting? Y 'all are upset with each other? I just don't like his face. It's punchable. Oh, yeah. He does look like him. He has a punchable face. Bring up another picture of that punchable man. God dang, bro. Now I wouldn't hit this guy. Bring up the other picture. Go back to the other one. Yeah, not his guy. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he's huge, right? And are y 'all fighting just for fun? No, MMA style. Oh, y 'all doing MMA? Yeah, he can kick. He can do whatever he wants. Did you go to the fight? Are you one of the fight that's coming up here? Or they just had one here? Yeah, I think they did.

1:13:29I wasn't here. I was out of town working. Do you like to go to him? Yeah, I like it. I'm a boxing fan more. I can't believe we haven't seen each other at once. I like boxing better. And who's this, James Harrison? No, that's my crazy ass in there, boxing. Oh, that's you? Yep. Oh, so you really like it, huh? Yeah, I remember this was fun. Who was this against? Brian Maxwell. He does, Brian Maxwell does bare knuckle boxing. Yeah, good friend of mine. I got... Dang. What's tough about boxing, man, that people don't realize? Conditioning. Conditioning. You've got to be well conditioned. And for this, I only had two weeks to get ready.

1:14:12And since then, I think that was in 2021, if I'm not mistaken. And I've been training since. Just having fun. Could you fight a guy like you couldn't fight Jake Paul, though? I think the weight class is he's so much bigger. Oh, he's heavy. Yeah, he's heavy. He's a heavy guy. I'm only, but maybe now, I'm put on a little size. I'm about maybe 190. Who's somebody you would challenge out there then? Who's like a real, I'm trying to think of somebody. I just want to fight Debo. I just want to fight James. Well, he's willing to do it, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, we're going to do it. Who could I see you love to fight?

1:14:44Then we're going to be friends after. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. I remember when I was in school, you got in a fight. The principal, they made you stand in the hall. Right. And you had to put your hands on the shoulder of the person you fought. Right. And so y 'all had to be, by the end of the day, y 'all were friends because you were right here. The whole time. And the other kids would get out of class and have to walk by. And so by the end, this person became your. Yeah. you had to get over whatever it was because you had to be right there next to each other. I like that. What's a part that you miss about playing?

1:15:11I mean, I know it's kind of a general question. What's something you miss about playing that people wouldn't even think about? For me, it was competing in practice. Even just in practice was fun, huh? I miss it. I miss competing in practice. That's what's difficult. The games on Sunday, that's fun. That's the easy part. Practice and competing. Preparation. I miss that. I miss watching film. I really do. I miss watching film, especially on defenses and defensive backs and knowing what they were going to do before it even happened. I knew it was coming, whether it be down and distance, first down, second down, third down, all that shifting in motion that they like to do playing around in the secondary.

1:15:48I know what you're doing before you even do it. And I miss that. I miss being prepared. So the entertainment value I bought, oh, yeah, was only done because I studied to a T. I studied to a T. You know, it's not like I'm just getting up out there. that is goofing around. No. It looks like it. Right. There's no way to have that kind of success without studying without knowing what I'm doing or knowing what you're doing before I even go do it. What do you think the NFL could do differently now to make it more exciting or to make it a better product? If anything. I mean, listen, it is the best product.

1:16:22There's really nothing else. Do you think so? I think the NFL's going down, man. No. I don't think it's... I think people like college better. Hell, some people like damn WNBA better. I don't like that. Absolutely not. Some people do. Some young men do. Yeah. A couple guys do. Yeah. The NFL will always be the cream of the cream of the cream. You think so? Always. I don't know. There's something about it sometimes. I don't know if the field should be bigger. I don't know what should happen. Sometimes I feel like the guys have almost gotten too fast. I feel like sometimes with the running backs is what I do feel like.

1:16:52You don't get to see enough good moves because there's not enough space for them to do them in because everybody's so fast now. Yeah. I don't know if that's true or not, but I feel that way sometimes. I don't know if you could have a Barry Sanders now, not because you couldn't have the same guy. You just will never have another Barry Sanders. That ain't happening. That might be fair. That is not happening. Absolutely not. That might be fair. Not even close. Yeah, it just looked like, you know, like it used to be once you got around the defensive end, wasn't going to get out there to get you. Well, you know, most of the time, players back then were not as fast.

1:17:24Now we have, you know, D linemen, even D tackles that run in four or five. Right, but I'm saying, does that make it tougher for somebody's backs to get out of the backfield? Not at all. You just have to be that much better. Yeah. You got to be that much better. Yeah, I'm wondering why sometimes it feels like it's not the same as it used to be. It's amazing. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that the guys aren't extremely talented there. Right. But sometimes I just wonder as a fan. Are you a WNBA fan? Yeah, absolutely. Me too. I had an opportunity to go to my first game in Atlanta. You did? Yo, that shit was amazing in Atlanta.

1:17:59and the product in general. I don't know all the gripes that people have about the WNBA. Oh, that shit was amazing. I know. Oh, my goodness. I'm into it, man. The atmosphere from quarter one, the halftime, dude, it felt like I was at the club. And I don't even go to the club. And the first thing I thought about was, wait, is this what it's like when it comes to the nightlife? I really enjoyed it. Yeah. I really enjoyed it, yeah. It was nice. Yeah, dude, I had a great time. I went to Las Vegas Aces game. Aces game? Yeah. It was nice. Well, it's so much fun. I tell my friends if they're in Vegas, like, what show should I go see?

1:18:28I say if the Aces are playing, go see it. Go see them, yeah. It's just such a, yeah, there's like, I don't know, people love the game. You could tell they really are invested into the game, right? And this is when they had Kate Martin. They had the girl who won MVP three years in a row. This one, that Asia Wilson. They still have Asia Wilson. Yeah, Asia's still there. Yeah. But, dude, it was unbelievable, bro. I had a great time. And we got to sit right, bro, that we were playing Dallas, Dallas Mystic, I think is their name. Their coach was right there, dude. I was chirping them during the game.

1:19:00It was ridiculous, dude. Yeah, I love the WNBA, man. I love the product. Yeah, I love the product. I would like to invest in a WNBA team, man. I think Miami needs a team. I think Nashville needs a team. Yeah, that'd be nice. Because it kind of reminds me, I feel like, of what you might see with the NBA before everybody could dunk. Mm-hmm. And I don't mean that in any type of way other than you have to rely on good passing. Like there's a lot of stuff you have to rely on where the NBA doesn't have to rely on it as much anymore. Do you think you can still play or no? Me? Yeah. Fuck no. Come on, bro.

1:19:37You can't talk yourself up this whole time and you can't even get back out. Obviously I got to be realistic as well. The mind knows what to do. The mind knows what to do based on years of playing in IQ, on field IQ, but the body won't react the way I want it to. Bro, you can play for the Titans. No, no. You guys got a good one in Calvin Ridley. Oh, no. I know we have Calvin. I mean, Calvin Ridley is one of the best, right? I don't think Atlanta should have let him go. But we could use you over there, man. Even just for the – well, we would come to watch you play, though. Now, what about that element of it?

1:20:09Has any team reached out to you in later years? Absolutely not. No. To say – just to sell tickets to you? Absolutely not. I can do that. That's what I'm saying. I can fill a stadium up. Well, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, but not at this day and age. No. But people would love to watch it. Back then, yes. Yes. People would love to watch it. I'm trying to think of something else that we could talk about. Anything you want to talk about? It's on you. Yeah, thanks. It's on you. Thanks, bro. Is it tough, though? Let me think about this. Realistically, when you have eight children, you have eight children.

1:20:45Yeah. I want two more. You do? Yeah. I'm probably going to do, is it called IBF? I want twins. Ooh. I want twins and I'm done. Why? You want twins so you have to battle two Johnsons on the field at once? No, not really. I just want to end on even numbers. Okay. And end on a grand finale. You got to end with a big move. There we go. A two-point conversion. I like that. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Do you have to pick your children's names or your wife gets to pick them? Whoever I'm dating, they get to pick. Really? They get to pick every time? Yeah, of course. Is that a thing?

1:21:22I don't know. I just, just the way I operate. I'm not worried about names. Really? Nah. So the mother gets to pick out every one of your children's names. Mm-hmm. Did you, did she say, hey, what do you think about this name? Yeah, always. And would you sit on and say yes or no? I say whatever you want to do. We rocking with it. Wow. Yeah. Bruh. Yeah, my son, my son graduates from Arizona, Arizona State. He's a Sun Devil? Yeah. He plays football there. No, he's done. He's done. He's done, yeah. How, is it tough for your, if you have a child But how do you have that conversation with them as a parent?

1:21:54You do as a parent, even though I play football, if you want to play, that's on you. If you don't want to play, I'm supporting whatever it is you want to do. I'm not one of those parents that push and push. You're going to do this. No, absolutely not. But do you feel like the children feel some type of pressure or no? Just in their own space? No, I would hope not because the pressure would be coming from me. Yeah. Fuck the outside noise. It has nothing to do with anything. Whatever you dream and want to do, I'm going to support it. Which one of your children is most like you, do you think? probably my daughter that runs track at the University of Kentucky is she like your mom too or no?

1:22:28a little bit it's a little bit of both us a little bit of both us a little bit of both us like what does she have like what tendencies does she have you think that make her like you? athletic ability okay athleticism and all of them are athletic I think honestly her sister who didn't run track she's a aka she goes to Prairie View and him I think she if she chose to run track or just be in athletics, I think she would be faster. But she didn't want to do it. So she's a diva. She's the Beyonce of the kids. Oh, really? Yeah, she's the diva. Who was a bigger diva, do you think, you or Terrell Owens, do you think?

1:23:05I don't think we're not even divas. That's just a word. I'm not sure why they use that word. It just doesn't describe the divas. Well, male divas then. No. Who's the better player? T.O. so one of your daughters is maybe more athletic but she chooses not to do it yeah what does she like to do she's a dancer oh really she's a dancer she's mua she can um she can dress her ass off oh so she's stylish oh my goodness yes oh yeah that's my baby that's interesting that's my baby yeah i would like to have maybe a stylish little i have i have a daughter also who's who's in the tennis. Cheyenne, I call her cha-cha.

1:23:48So good. Already. Eight years old. So good. Forehand, forehand, backhand. So good. You don't understand. We're going to have this conversation again maybe five years from now and we'll be like, Theo, remember what I told you? There she is right there on tour. Love, love. Wow. Where does she play at? She plays in Florida. Yeah, she's in Florida. She's in Florida. I have a younger son, Savion. football crazy here in florida crazy yeah he's your life must be pretty busy with having to just be a dad all the time yeah it's easy it's easy i hear people complain it's easy it's easy what do you think that people complain about what that makes it seem well i don't know i just you do also have financial ability to at least feed that might make it a little easier that sort of thing i think that might make it a little easier i bet it does from a financial standpoint it's easy but also being present and being active and being hands-on as much as i can yeah it's just i just like it like you know that feeling i get such a great feeling when we go on trips you know every summer we take trips as one huge group really just mobbing mobbing through the airport like 10 8 9 kids oh that's all the women too the moms and the no no no oh just the children yeah just yeah i take i take everyone dad and the kids all going on that trip i love that shit where did you guys go somewhere fun that you would recommend to another big family to go like if they got because they got a lot of church families out there.

1:25:10Mexico, DR. This summer we're going to Dubai, all of us. It's just those trips, dude. Just going to the mall when it's time to go shopping, just walking in like one big gang. I love that. It's interesting. It's an interesting way to think about your future and how you're raising children. But do you worry that you can't give them enough, each child, like enough mental and emotional connection, or you don't think about that as much? Or you think it's okay? No, they're good. They're good. They're good. Yeah. I have no idea. Yeah. I just think that you worry about that. That's a lot of people's fear.

1:25:43Because it's interesting because I think people used to have more children. I think we're having less children now. You see that? They're just about to give people money to have more children. You seen that? You know, especially in this economy, too, I can understand why some people are a little bit more cautious on having kids. Yeah. Who was an overhyped cornerback when you were playing, bro? Overhyped? Yeah. I don't talk about people like that, D. But if you had to guess somebody. No. I'm not doing that. I don't talk about people. So it's negative. Yeah, it's a negative. Yeah, nobody's overhyped.

1:26:12If you made it, you're a one percenter. You're there for a reason. You're there for a reason. Could you tell if a guy wasn't going to be like, do you feel like there's some days when a player, they could even be great and they go into a game and it's just an off game? Like, does that really happen? Yeah, you have off days. Michael Jordan had off days. I had off days. Some of the best, Brady, Mahomes, you have off days. but your good days outweigh the bad ones right the average of it yeah that's a good one that was a good question it was that was a good one well because sometimes it's like i got to do a show or something and i'm like i don't feel like today's just not my day but i still have to do it right or you just you got to wonder at that level because it's you know it only comes down to 16 sundays you know yeah and something out of that 16 you're going to have a bad one yeah you know You want to be as consistent as possible, but being perfect, you strive for perfection.

1:27:10So even if you do fall short, but you're going to have bad days. Do you worry with a lot of these young people that now they have all this max preps and all this video footage and stuff so early? Do you think that that's a positive or a negative? How do you even look at some of that? Because you have a child now who's nine years old, who's watching himself either do well or not do well on a film, you know? Yeah. Well, that's a part of it. That's a part of it. You have to evolve with the times. The parents have to evolve with the times that we're in now, understanding that we're in a social media era, and everything is magnified times 10.

1:27:41Everything is magnified. Yeah, I just wonder, like, if that's good for a child's psyche or not. Either way, it's not going anywhere. It's going to be here. That's your point. It's going to be here. You can't romanticize the past because that's not going to come back. Exactly. So at that point at all, it's on the parent helping the child understand. water off a duck's back no matter what it is some goes bad in one ear out the other next play what about with the the like nil is real popular right now like you have players who will have do you'll have players that will do get an nil deal yeah and then there's like a couple of windows for the nil bring up how many windows are there because there's some before the season even ends or how many transfer portals in the college season?

1:28:31Typically two main transfer portal windows. Right. A winter window and a spring window. So you can have a guy come in during the winter window, and I think they've had this, get a deal, and then he leaves during the spring window. Or he wants a better deal, but he just, he hadn't even done anything yet. Yeah, I mean, that's the game it is now. It's a pay-to-play. Do you think that helps college football, though, over time? I mean. Do you think it helps keep players in college for a longer amount of time? I think the fact that colleges in general are billion-dollar institutions or entities in general and have made so much money off players' likeness for so long and the players really had nothing.

1:29:08So I like the fact that players are now able to take advantage of their likeness and get paid early because everybody's not making it to the NFL. Right. Everybody's not going to get there. So them being able to make some change, make some cash now while they're playing, I'm all for it. I'm all for it. But do you think there will be players who don't make it because they get money early that it damages them? No, absolutely. You don't think so? Well, it could. You tell me. But getting that kind of money in college. If a guy gets that money early and he's spending it in the club or he's buying a wagon wheel or a Jeep Wrangler, you're going to tell me he's not going to want to.

1:29:46Well, your end goal is the NFL. So you're saying. Your end goal is always the NFL. getting money in college shouldn't change your long term vision and your childhood dream of making it to the but you don't think that somebody could suffer absolutely not that little bit of money is to help family that's to help family I don't know if these guys are using it for that though no trust me they're using it for family because you don't you know based on where some of these individuals are coming from this is a huge jump start to being able to help their family but the end goal the real money is in the NFL not NIL what's the most somebody made an NIL this past season let's take a look at it probably 4 million maybe 5 but you got people doing dog food commercials and shit in their small town and stuff yeah hey get it get it while you can getting 6 or 7 racks out there 4 years of college right there what's the biggest NIL deal in college football the highest NIL in college football oh it's Arch Manning that's right 6.7 yeah how many years is that though So he only got three more to go.

1:30:55Is that 6.7 a year, you think? No, total. That's total. Yeah. So that's different, but that's better than like, if that's a, that's like a fifth round pick or something. You got to remember, ours comes from money anyway. So that's not new to him. Right. It's probably not making his biggest choice. Yeah. How often do you guys tape your show? Now it's based on the NBA playoffs. So we're off tonight. So we just did Thursday, Wednesday, and Tuesday. We're off tomorrow. No, we're off today. We're on tomorrow, Sunday, Monday. And we're on Saturday, Sunday. Wait. You tape all the time, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:31:34It's fun. It's fun. It's the NBA game, the NBA playoffs, and we always have an NBA guest on. So I'm enjoying that. I'm enjoying that. Did you think about other, like, is there another venture you'd like to get in? Or do you feel like you're in a good space? It seems like you're in a pretty good space. Right now, I'm good because this is my off season. When football season gets here, I'm on NFL films. I'll be on ESPN this year with Stephen A. So I'm good. This is my off time. What's he like, man? Is he really like his team, Stephen A? Cool as hell. Cool as hell. Stephen A has afforded me opportunities I couldn't have imagined.

1:32:09Couldn't have imagined. Yeah, so I like it, especially being in space, being able to transition into media. Yeah. It's been really good for me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to have, I think having that, just being able to have a voice, you know. And you still have a voice in the sport that you love. Yeah. You still have some sort of a say or at least an opinion and stuff, you know. Yeah, an opinion that's respected, especially when it comes to football. Yeah. When you look back on your experience with the Bengals, what is like, obviously, you know, the playing and everything like that. What was Cincinnati like then?

1:32:41What was the energy like then? It was good. It was good, especially that 2005 year, which that was the year we were on fire. offensively and obviously defense they were having takeaways like crazy that was our year if Carson didn't go down in that first round of the playoffs against the Steelers that was our year to host a trophy that was that year oh my goodness the city was on fire I could just imagine now with the every year every year now with Joe Burrow there you know you have opportunity You got a chance. Rudy Johnson was a beast. Oh, yeah. Rudy, Hoosh. Those are some good dudes, man. Matter of fact, I have a group chat with half of everybody in here.

1:33:23Hoosh is in there. I'm in there. Rudy Johnson is in there. We got Carson. Justin Smith is in that group chat. I haven't seen some of these names. Delto O 'Neal is in the group chat. Oh, Brian Simmons is in the group chat. I haven't seen some of these names in so long. Oh, look at Odell Thurman. Odell was really good. it's wild some guys it's like they'll have a great like rudy johnson was huge for a few he had a couple of great years oh yeah oh yeah and then you didn't hear about him yeah i don't i don't know where i don't i can't remember where rudy went after he left and it's not even a judgment against him it's just like that's how it's like things come and go fast in the league huh it does listen those years go by real fast very fast damn 11 and 5 yeah damn yeah we were on fire man And who was y 'all's backup?

1:34:11Who came in as backup quarterback? Yeah, who was our backup that year? Oh, John Kidna. He now coaches at Lakota East or Lakota West High School in Cincinnati. Carson Palmer is now coaching in L.A. I don't know what school he's coaching at. And Kidna just couldn't, y 'all didn't break through that second round? No, no, no, man. The Steelers won that game, man. They won that game. Oh, John. That's my guy. I'm trying to think of anything else, man, I could think about. Do you love living down here in Florida? That's all I know. Been all over the world, B. I'd have been all over the world, and it's nothing like home.

1:34:47No matter where I go, and I do all my traveling strictly for soccer purposes. I'm a huge soccer enthusiast. Love soccer. You think you could have played it at a pro level? I would have had to start when I was four years old. If I could have started when I was four years old. Is that intrinsic, huh? Yes, I love it. I love it. I love the atmosphere, the energy. I don't think people understand. we don't look at soccer as a sport. Why are you like all they're doing is running around? The score is only 1-0, but you don't understand how beautiful that game is. You know, it's like painting a picture.

1:35:16And if you watch it and understand what you're watching, then you'll appreciate it more. That's your favorite sport? Oh, my God. Times 10, then football. What's the best place to see a soccer game at, then you think? For me? Yeah. Growing up, I had the opportunity to see a river game versus Boca Juniors. in Argentina. You'll never see an atmosphere like that ever again. Dang. And I don't think people, it's kind of dangerous, but still, River Plate and Boca Juniors, obviously I've seen every EPL team. I've been to their stadium. I've seen every La Liga team play. El Clasico, Real Madrid and Barcelona is always a good one.

1:35:55So you've been to a lot of these famous stadiums. Every last stadium. Yes, every last one. I did the World Cup with Qatar with Fox. I was the analyst for... Really? Yeah, for Fox. Damn, Jay, you've done a lot of amazing stuff. I love, love soccer, man. Like, if you had to choose between going to a soccer game or just watching and having sex, I'm picking soccer every time. Over sex? Abso-fuck. I don't care who it is. Oh, yeah. I don't care who it is. Like, that's how much I love the game, the beautiful game. Yeah, I'm trying to think. Let me think. Oh, yeah, I would probably go. yeah sex sometimes gets a little bit boring kind of you think depends yeah maybe not boring that's not the best word but i mean listen i did amateur porn growing up so for me it's you did amateur yeah amateur porn yeah yeah it just the only difference is i didn't get paid for it yeah yeah that's why i was amateur and so were you and were people doing were people filming or yeah i I had a tripod camera set up.

1:36:58Oh, okay. Yeah, a tripod, yeah. You're pulling all every business. Yeah, so. Those tapes still out there, you think? They did. It earned me some good money. Oh, you had a tape out there? No, I had a tripod and I just sold them myself. Oh, bet, yeah. Yeah. God, I don't know. I hope there's nothing out there in me. No, yeah. Right now, probably back then, I don't even think they sell the camcorders back then for someone to be able to blackmail me at this point. Yeah. They might have some drawings of me having sex, though. There we go. Are you married? Some clay figures. No, I got to get married, man.

1:37:33Do you have a girlfriend? Not right now. No? I'm going to get one, though. How do you navigate that? I just be careful. Are you cautious on who you're dealing with based on now being the guy? Yeah, I'm pretty cautious. Okay. Yeah, because things happen. I mean, even with your co-hosts, I think there's more opportunities maybe. I don't know. Everything's weird now. I feel like things feel kind of scary, and you don't know even if you're doing the right things that somebody could take advantage of you. Yep, they can. And then at the same time, I have a lot of friends that are sex addicts that get caught up just in sex in that world, and it becomes like an addiction to them.

1:38:19Yeah, it can be. A lot of people, I hate when people call sex an addiction. Really? I really don't like that because we're mammals. We're put on hearth in general to have sex. Oh, yeah. To procreate in general. We pump. And so I just, I hate the fact that we have all these definitions. Oh, he's an addict. No, you're not. It's sex. It's something that we as humans actually do. Some do it more than others. Yeah. That just, you know, it's cool. Yeah, some people enjoy doing it a ton. Some people don't enjoy doing it as much. Yeah, and some enjoy doing it with multiple people. Yeah. And just, it is.

1:38:51You ever been to a swingers club? I've never been. No. You've been? I mean, yeah, I used to work at one. Oh, you did? Yeah, I used to be a gigolo for rich, wealthy women. Really? Tommy Lee was a gigolo. He was? Yeah, Tommy Lee from Molly Crew. Yeah, Molly Crew? Yeah. That's dope. He is a gigolo. So, will you get hired to get out there and take these women out on dates? Yeah, get on dates. And, you know, obviously they had billionaire husbands, billionaire boyfriends that didn't have the time for them. And I would just fill that void that they weren't getting it home because of them being busy.

1:39:22So the husband's just so busy, I'm going to treat my wife to a date. At least she can go do something nice. Well, the husband didn't know. Oh, secret. Yeah, it was an ad. It was an ad in the paper. You put your own ad out? Yeah, I put my own ad out. And what would the ad say, ballpark? Based on the information that what they were looking for, I had a menu of services that I provided. And was someone sexual or not? Yeah, someone was sexual. Someone would just be spending time, you know, dates, movies, conversation, massage, stuff like that. And most of the time it was more about sex and, you know, fulfilling that fantasy of being with a black guy.

1:39:59Oh, really? Yes. That's a marketable fantasy, huh? Of Mandingo descent. Oh, damn. Yeah. And how do you know if someone's Mandingo or not? Well, anything. What region is that? The lower region. Bring it up. Where have I been? I've been to Tanzania.

1:40:20Mandingo. on a map yeah there we go okay west africa so if they want to see that west if they want that west africa energy huh yeah it's it's it's more of a uh a term in referencing uh the private area mandingo oh it's a it's a wiener term yeah oh damn i didn't know it i've heard it right right mandingo guy or whatever yeah um okay so you had women trying to just be with a black man yeah they just wanted to fulfill that fantasy and were they paying fair were they paying a decent amount yeah i mean for an hour i could make anywhere from 3500 to five grand my goodness yeah god would you wear your jersey or not no this is before i even i hadn't even made it yet oh wow because at that point i wouldn't need the money if i'm already in the league oh yeah so that's way you know um in college you know i used to strip too did you really la at the right track damn yeah i was a dancer they used to call me twix really why because i was skinny and had a lot of veins Oh, yeah.

1:41:21Like the Twix, yeah. Dang, man. Was that a fun sport? It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. Would you do the splits as well out there? No, I didn't do the splits. I didn't do the splits. But what I did come to learn is the women of 200 plus pounds or more, they tip much better than everyone else. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they did. Did they? Because they want to. Oh, yeah, they tip well. And would you ever get hired by those women for sexual? At times. At times, yeah. At times, yeah. And is it more challenging? I feel like, do you have to do more for a, more of a Rubenesque woman? I've been with some probably medium sized girls.

1:41:57I've never been with like a, a real, more of a larger, bigger, larger maybe. Yeah. You know, like I've never been with like a big X, the plug type woman. 200 plus, I love, I love. Yeah. I love that. God. I just do. I just, you know, I got so many good stories, man, from back then. It's just, we'd be here all day. and would you but would you guys ever go to like a drive-in movie or what would y 'all do holy shit speaking of drive-in i haven't been to a drive-in in years i don't even do they still have drive-in theaters especially here in florida that would be a great date i'm so glad you brought that up yeah i would love to get to a drive-in out there with a lady yeah that'd be dope was it ever scary going over to a woman's house absolutely not no because i already know i yeah no, I'm nothing to be scared of.

1:42:45Nothing to be scared of. I'm just, I'm going to perform to put on a show. And was there a certain amount of time you had to do sex for? You could just, was it like part-time or full-time? Kind of. Well, it depends on what she picks from. Yeah. Yeah. Depending on how much you got. You pay cash or check? No, I don't do checks. Cash. Cash up front. Damn, bro. Yeah. So you've always been entrepreneurial, huh? Yeah. Most definitely. You gotta start somewhere. And would you wear a special suit or a bandana or anything? No. No. Just banana hammock. Just casual attire, huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Would you lotion up that wiener or whatever before you go?

1:43:20Yeah, lotion up everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Oiled up. Especially when I come on stage. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, you don't even knock. You just slide through the lock. Right on in. Come on. Right on in. Damn. Ocho Cinco, man. Well, I would love to go to a game whenever you go watch your daughter in Kentucky. Yeah, most of it. It's outdoor season right now, too. It just started. So when I get up there, you got to come on down. I'd love to, man. Do you think that some players secretly lobby to get into the Hall of Fame? I think so. I mean, rightfully so. For those that understand, for them, if it means that much to them, being a part of that entity of special people, yes.

1:44:07But then there's some players also, like myself, that feel that I don't really need the validation. I understand who I am and what I did during my time. And I'm in general, I don't really need it. I hate the fact that there are certain people that sit in places that are in a position of power that can control individuals that no longer play. It's like puppets. Oh yeah, I know you want to be here so bad so I'm controlling whether you can get it or not. I would never give anyone the satisfaction. The power, yeah. The power over me. I don't care about your shit. Take it. I mean, listen, it's great.

1:44:42It's a great achievement, a great accomplishment. But come on. I have too much going on now still. Right. Every day you have a lot of adoration and things that you get. You get to still be active and admired in a sport that you enjoy. Who's that? When I put that Hall of Fame jacket on myself. Oh, yeah. Good for you. I think there are 269 members in the Hall of Fame. But that jacket right there, that's one-on-one. Gang, gang. That's the truth. That's one-on-one. There's only one of those. Dude, yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. What if you start your own little hall? Yeah. Listen, the Hall of Fame is unbelievable to be able to get there.

1:45:23Oh, yeah. I'm not discrediting it. Yeah. Me neither. I'm just saying, but I don't like the power it holds over players that are retired because they're clamoring trying to get in. It's the same with these Emmy Awards and Academy Awards for acting stuff. I respect that it's an award that people have admired and stuff. But if people out there like blowing directors and shit to get the award, or they're like having a, you know, go pity patter to them because they hope they vote for them. I don't like that shit. That's not me. It never has been. In fact, take me off the fucking ballot because I don't even want you to be able to tell me no.

1:46:00That's how I feel. I don't even want you to be able to say you didn't get it. I never wanted it. You know what I'm saying? It's almost even a better take. Right. With the future, like, I know Shannon's going through his stuff right now. Yeah. With the future of y 'all's show, do you guys worry about that? Does it impair it or do you feel? Unk is going through his issues, right, and whatnot. And Unk asked me to be a part of NICAP. And I'm going to ride that wave because he asked me to come on. I'm not jumping ship because of his personal stuff that you handle whatever you need to handle, I'm going to always be here.

1:46:37I'm going to be here. If the ship go down, bitch, I'm going down with it. So when the ship was going good, I was right here. Just because it's fucking rocky, I ain't going nowhere. I'm not going nowhere. So I'm going to let Uncle do what he needs to do. We're going to keep on filming. We're going to keep on trucking. We're going to keep our head down. He knows what he needs to do on his end, and I'm going to make sure I take care of my end and do what I need to do and show up. That's it. That's it. Yeah, man, that's it. You know what reminds me of is when Bill Belichick, remember when Trump, people got on to Bill Belichick about Trump, and what did he say about him?

1:47:14Remember when everybody was against Trump? Remember that shit? They still are. That's a good point. Yeah, now even for different reasons, man, how they're handling some of the Middle East stuff. But he said, my relationship with Donald Trump isn't political because the media was really getting on to him. Right. He said, my relationship with Donald Trump isn't political, Belichick said on the dynasty. I knew him long before he got into politics. Donald is a friend, and I wrote a personal letter. Might have been it. But he just stood up for the fact that this is my friend. Right. This is my friend, and people can, there can be other stuff that he has going on in his life, but that isn't, I'm not going to not be a friend then.

1:47:54Right. See, it just kind of reminds me of that. Anything else you wanted to talk about, Chad? um probably got a lot of good stuff i feel like you think we had a good conversation yeah yeah sometimes it's hard you know sometimes you have days where you're like you got it you got everything going everything's okay sometimes you have days where you're like what's even going on it's weird sometimes you get scared sometimes you don't yeah are nervous about certain moments i don't think black people get as nervous as white people do do you think that that's true It depends. It all depends on the atmosphere.

1:48:28It all depends on the atmosphere and the situation. I mean, driving a car and the cops pull up behind you, we get nervous. Yeah. And I'm like, hey, buddy. Yeah, you guys, not so much. We get nervous. That might be a good point. So in different moments. But I think also a good thing that a lot of black folks have is white people, you could tell when they're nervous because you could see it in their skin. Yeah, we give a lot of too many clues away. So I think I got to start wearing some ruse or just like I got to start wearing some bronzer. Thank you so much, Chad. No, thank you. Best of luck, man.

1:49:08I love your energy, bro. Thank you for being somebody that continues to entertain people. You know, it's just interesting to hear what your life has been like and how you kind of choose. somehow you're able to remarkably choose to still just be yourself no matter how kind of hectic things get doesn't matter no matter what i always even kill at all times and you're even kill is even even kill neville too to a lot of people you know it's wild but yeah that's who you are yeah always been and would never change i will always remain authentically myself at all times well it's been fun to watch man on the field and off and uh yeah thank you for your time thank you boss I appreciate it, baby.

1:49:47Yes, sir.