#607 - Young Amish Male

30:58Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure, buddy. But that, like, it's not really, it's not really, like, forward, like, hey, you can marry a second, but it does happen. But if it happens, it happens. Yeah, it happens, it happens. You're already close. You might as well be closer. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I don't know how, because we don't have, like, any family tree and stuff. You don't? No. But we do have like a big book that tells us like all Amish communities like in certain states like who like basically a dictionary for like Amish people who's related to who. Oh, you have that. Yeah. It's basically like Google for the Amish when it comes to like finding like, oh, yeah, this person's related to this or how old is this person.

31:42And it's even got their like addresses and stuff. Oh, nice. Yeah. It's like a book where you can go look and see who's who and how old. And how many kids they have and when the kids were born. So that's pretty cool. Oh, yeah. Right. That's kind of how it is. But it's a little bit different than that. Okay. Because they put like two different names on the front, like whoever put it together and stuff. Got it. Because some Amish, like they know who's related to everyone. It's almost like they're happy, I guess you could say. Like they're happy? No, they're happy. Happy. Like their, it's their. Oh, it's their hobby.

32:21Like H-O-B-B-Y. Like rap it. No. Hobby. Yeah, like hobby. Like it's something they like to do in their spare time. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. Genealogy, put it together. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you got to, somebody's got to know who's related or you got to be able to ask somebody. So could there be people in your school that are your cousin, you don't even know it? No, because everyone in the school, like they drive there with a horse and bucky. So it's fairly close because we have like, let me think. I think it's like half, at least a half a dozen schools in our community. Okay. Yeah. And how do you decide which school you go to?

32:58Whichever you live closest to. That's it? Yep. Do they have like learned, like they were talking about like obviously when cousins get together, things can get crazy. Yeah. And you might get one of the Lord's remixes out there. Yeah. Or disabled they call out here in America. Yeah. Mentally disabled. Yeah. autism, Amistism, I'm sure you guys are seeing it. Somebody will just raise a barn with their eyes, you know, just put a nail through a four-by-four with their sheer, you know, with just the blink of an eye. I don't know if we have autism, but we have some with Down syndrome. Yeah, because my great-uncle, he has Down syndrome and stuff.

33:34Fuck yeah. Yeah, he's like 57 years old. And he's awesome, huh? Yeah, he's pretty awesome because me and him, me and him, I don't, like, I just remember that I carried wood with him. Like, me and him carried wood into the, like, wood box for a stove, and I don't know why, but apparently I used to tease him a little bit, too. I kind of feel bad for him now. I thought, like, I think I was, like, six or seven years old. I was really young. Oh, it's okay. You were just a kid, man. You were just joking around. Yeah, because I thought I was having fun, but... But he could carry a lot of wood? Oh, yeah, he could carry a lot of wood.

34:06Yeah. He was pretty cool. And he passed away? No, he hasn't passed away yet, but I heard recently he's like, he's not doing too good anymore. But he's still surviving and stuff. But isn't that kind of old for a person with Down syndrome and stuff? That's a great question, actually, Timothy. Let me look at that up. How old do the Down syndrome get, if you don't mind pulling it up there? Yeah, it might be because he's Amish that he's like. That he's clocking more time. Yeah. Because it's probably harder, probably a Down syndrome, being out under the bright lights of regular life than it is out there just slurping in the moonlight.

34:44The average life expectancy for individuals with Down syndrome is now about 60 years, with many living in their 60s and 70s, thanks to advances in medical care and social inclusion. That's awesome, dude. McDonald's must not be getting to them anymore. The McDonald's, huh? Yeah. It was really hampering them. Well, there was a time when McDonald's, a lot of their employees had Down syndrome. Oh, really? Bring that up. And then, so it caused a lot of people to take people there with Down syndrome. So then they were eating all this McDonald's and it was like not good for them. No, it was like backing them up.

35:18Yeah. But McDonald's was hiring a hella down. Wow. They had the whole. I never knew a place like that hired. Oh, yeah. Especially now. Now there's coffee shops in America and everybody that works there has Down syndrome. Wow. Shane Gillis owns one. He's a comedian. Wow. So, yeah, I heard Shane Gillis was around the Amish too when he was, when he was younger. Yep. He grew up around the Amish. He's famous. Some people said he has Down syndrome. Some people said he doesn't. Yeah. I don't know. We had a guy on who completed the Ironman, which was one of the biggest physical challenges in the world.

35:51And he has Down syndrome. Chris Nickich. Oh. Bring him up. What's an Ironman? It's like the toughest competition ever. Oh. There he is right there. Wow. What are the conditions of an Ironman, just so we're clear on it? It's one of a series of long-distance triathlon races organized by the World Triathlon Corporation, consisting of a 2.4-mile swim, 112-mile bicycle ride, and 26-mile run completed in that order. Wow. Think you could do it? No, I'd have to, I'd have to like build three barns in a day and like, like run up and down to the house a couple of times. Oh, you'd have to jack and gel a million gallons of water, dude.

36:38Yeah. Even if I had down syndrome, I don't think I could do it. No. It'd be really hard to do. Like even though I'm like, I think even be hard for the Amish people because first we need to learn how to bike. Yeah. Yeah. Cause we can swim cause like the rivers and stuff. Are you allowed to have bikes or no? Like we can sneak them. Oh, you sneak them, huh? Yeah, but like the Amish over in like Indiana and Ohio and even Pennsylvania, they got like scooters and stuff. Uh-uh. Yeah, they do it. But they got like the lowriders, like the ones that are really close to the ground. Oh, yeah, the Amish. Yeah, the Amish.

37:08Yeah, that you like stand on and stuff. Yeah. Not the ones that you like sit on. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. So not the motorized ones. No, not the motorized or the ones with like pedals and stuff. Yeah, they had one Amish dude, Aura Farming, on one of these, I think. Oh, like was he doing it on the horse or like the scooter? I think the scooter. Oh. And they have a lot of Mexican Amish too now. The Amish, they call them. Yeah, I saw like there were a couple like Mexican Amish. I was like, because a couple of years ago, there was this Mexican Amish guy. He popped up. Like he looked fully Mexican.

37:43He looked like he came from Mexico. And I think someone must have adopted him. It sounded like that. And like he could speak like the Mexican language. and then he also speaks like Pennsylvania Dutch too hell yeah I love that man and that must be the craziest if you're Mexican because then you're like holy shit I still have to do all this construction myself if you're Amish Mexican people expect you to build stuff faster than anybody yeah because Mexicans and Amish we go back and forth we look who can build the fastest now when it comes to sheetrocking I have to say Mexicans are definitely faster because they got them long, like those metal things.

38:24I think they're called stilts. Oh, really? So they're good at sheet rocking? Yeah. I saw a video of them. They held their tape measure and then walked over. And the one guy, real tall-looking guy, if he had long legs, he was on stilts and stuff. He had almost touched the ceiling. Tell me about this. When you go to Rumspringer, how do you go? Is there a day that you go? What happens? You hit what age, and how does it start? It's kind of just, it's kind of spontaneous when it happens. You're like roughly, roughly 16 and a half when it happens and your parents are like, like you can go and then you kind of just go.

39:01So do they sit you down at dinner and tell you? Is it like an announcement at school? Is it at church? How does it happen that they say we're going to allow you to go to Rome Springer? It's not really an announcement. It's just kind of like, hey, you can go there and then you probably have a couple of rules, you know, don't do this, don't do that. but you're probably going to do it anyway. Really? Yeah. And so is there a moment, an actual day that you leave? Like, do you say goodbye? Oh, no, no. So when Romspringer happens and you go to the Yoma, like, you still live at home and stuff, you're still Amish, and then you just do stuff on the weekends that you're not supposed to.

39:35When do you go back to your Amish country, though? Like, when do you go back to your district, to your home? So when you're in Romspringer, you're always at home. So what happens if you're in room spring for like, it's usually around four to five years. It always depends. And then when you get baptized, it's usually when you have a girlfriend and then you want to get married. So that's the reason you get baptized is to get married. And then at the same time, you're also becoming a member of the church. Okay. So you hit about 16 or something. Yeah. And your parents say that you can go now. Yep.

40:10And that means on the weekends you can go do what you want? Yeah, kind of. And if they don't hear too much about it, you're fine. Then you're doing fine. Yeah, because sometimes you can be like, hey, you can't go this time. Okay. Yeah. And now do some people choose to stay out in Rome Spring and not come back to the church? Do you have that option or that's not an option? Yeah, where like people like leave and become ex-Amish, yeah. And that can happen. Yeah. And then when like Rome Spring ends, it's roughly around 20 to 21. That's usually when people get married. Or sometimes, you know, like all of a sudden they realize they have a kid.

40:41and then so that's not really not really a good idea like to have a kid before you're married so like they either get quickly married or like my cousin like his my cousin Frank like he he was Amish? no like he like his parents like they realized they had him when they were still like on room shipping and Amish so they just left so your cousin his His parents were both on Rumspringer. Yep. Both Amish. Yep. One of them got pregnant, the woman. The woman, yeah. And then they realized at that point that they had to leave. Would they have been welcomed back into the church or no? So what happens if that happens?

41:25Either you leave or you almost become married right away. Because that has happened a couple times. That actually happened for my parents. So I have to quickly get married. Okay, so you have to make that quick choice. Yeah. Now, if you decide to leave, are you shunned? Are you allowed to come back? What is it like? Like once you decide to leave. So if you leave and you're already a member of the church, you'll get shunned from it. And then if you're not a member, like on Rome Spring, if you leave, it varies on the parents a lot. Like on my dad's side, they wouldn't really, for the longest time, they wouldn't really be happy or wouldn't really talk to their kids when they came and visited.

42:03They once had an ex-Amish. On my mom's side, they were like that for a little bit too, like in the first but my mom's side now when the when the ex-Amish kids come back they're they're like now 40 and stuff 30 40 and maybe even older like they come back they're welcome like all that stuff but my on my dad's side they're just a little bit a little bit iffy but they're way better than they were I see so they're coming around a little bit more than they used to yeah but probably in your grandfather's generation if somebody was shunned they might not talk to them yep that's how it is when you get when you get shunned uh you're not supposed to well you can talk to them but you're not supposed to like help them out in any way like you can't accept money from them and you can't you can't you're not supposed to get a ride from them too a ride like uh like let's say they were driving the ones that left they were driving and stuff you're not supposed to like like ride with them oh yeah if they can't even stay on the path to heaven how are they going to keep you on a path when they're trying to take you somewhere yeah they're gonna like take you off the road or something.

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44:25Can you have a little bit? Yeah. No alcohol. No alcohol? Okay. So what does it have? It's, like, water? Mmm. Ooh, mine's cherry cola flavored. It's, like, spicy stuff. It's, like, a little bit of ADD, kind of. Oh, dude. This stuff actually tastes like the grapes that you squeeze out of the, like, not the grapes that you eat from the store, but, like, the Amish grapes that you can buy. Like the ones that you squeeze out of the, what do you call that? The skin? Have you ever had those grapes where you just squeeze them out and you swallow them? Uh-uh. Yeah, it tastes just like this. Really? Yeah.

44:58Let's get a look at those Amish purple grapes. Yeah, they're, yeah, that's how they look. And those, you know how the stores, like they have no seeds in them? Like these have like a seed in them. You just squeeze them out and then you swallow them. Because if you try to eat them, like chew on them, like you just bite into the seed and stuff. Oh, you just squeeze them out. This actually tastes exactly like that, so it must be very natural. Yes, sir. It's the best, man. It's very good. That'll get you home, brother. That'll get you home. Yeah. So I saw that this has caffeine in it. Yeah, it has a little bit of caffeine.

45:35So I'll be like moving around. Yeah, you'll be feeling something. Yeah. What has your Rum Springer experience been like? It's been crazy. I've done like the first like year and a half. Well, I didn't do too much because I wasn't 18 yet. But like this summer, I've done so many crazy things. Actually, last summer, I got to drive like a Corvette. That was crazy. Like these two girls, like they let me drive their Corvette. It was a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. Where'd you meet them? Through my uncle, my ex-Amish uncle, Simon. I met him through them. Yeah. And dude, I actually was at their wedding. the like uh the one with the black hair i was at their like her and her husband's wedding it was pretty cool yeah and yeah so i got to drive a corvette that thing was really fast too like you stamp on the pedal a little bit it was like a horse with like like some special oats or something oh yeah like put some celsius in their water oh yeah that thing has been eating uh yeah diesel dipped carrots right there homie that horse has got it oh yeah and they were like they were like, well, I think it was overcrowded because there's only like two seats and then she's like sitting in the middle and stuff.

46:47Hey, that's fine though, dude. You gotta have at least one chick hanging out of a Corvette, dude. That's Rum Springer. Yeah, that is Rum Springer. And then we they wanted to get a couple videos because they thought that was pretty cool. Oh, it's amazing, bro. It's great to see you out there just trying some different things. Yeah. What other things did you try that you found that you liked and didn't like out there? uh uh was it oh yeah i also got the other the other uh weekend i got to went to like it was eau claire wisconsin there was like uh like an air show where they had like the blue angel airplanes had all kinds of airplanes nice and then they also like you had to pay a little bit well it was actually quite a bit it was like two hundred dollars for like one helicopter right and i was like you know this might be like a week or two of wait just like of me working but like I want to go in a helicopter right so I was kind of scared to like hold my phone out because because like the helicopter's open and stuff like what happens if you drop it and stuff but it's really smooth too and when we took off and like we took off and stuff it was like it was really crazy it felt like we were like I felt like I was on a like on a piece of plywood and I just started going up it was like it was crazy and it felt really crazy that's actually athlete right there oh yeah he's still he's still amish at home he he busts his like busts his like cut his hair and stuff so wow that's exceptional bro you got out there you just felt like a bird i did feel like a bird and this guy i think he i think he gave a little bit of longer right because we're amish and stuff and he we like we went sideways on the we went sideways on the like on the above the lake and stuff because like if you hit water really far off it's like it's pretty much like concrete I think that we went sideways and almost felt like I was falling off but I had my trusty seatbelt on and stuff so we were we were pretty good so that was that was a crazy ride but it was actually kind of smooth you know uh I was actually more scared when I was like a couple weeks later I was like probably like a month later it was right after I went to your concert your concert was like really crazy oh did you have fun could you understand a lot of the material I did, yeah.

49:02Like, some of it I didn't understand. Like, the ball guy was there. The guy that his parents are, like, from the Middle East was there. They were pretty cool. And then you came out. And then I thought it was really funny. This was actually, you know, before the show I was jamming out. I was with my cousin Frank. And he was, like, we were, I was just jamming out through the music. Yeah, because people don't understand. This is where we met. We met after a show. Yeah. And I was like, dude, we've been trying to have an Amish person on. And then here God just put us right together, brother. Yeah, God is great.

49:31He works in mysterious ways, it seems like. He's the magician, man. Yeah, and I thought, you know, Theo Vaughn would probably, I wanted to give you, like, wear an Amish hat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did you give me that hat or not? No, it was my hat. It didn't really fit. I'll just put it on. Actually, I have a little bit of surprise for you. Hey, Frank, you want to bring that over? Dude, I got, so what I did over last week, Like, me and your, uh, me and some of your strong connections were talking. Mm-hmm. And, uh, I, they didn't quite know what size your hat was. So, it's a bit of an odd thing to, like, know and stuff, but.

50:11Yeah, and it's just an odd thing to ask a man. Yeah, it is. But I wanted, uh, we got an estimate size, and I wanted to give you this hat. So, now you can be, like, you can be, like, part of the Amish Mafia. Oh, that's cool, dude. Thank you so much. And a hat size, that's just, like, the waist for your head, you know? Yeah, it is. You don't want to admit your little fat above the ears, you know? Yeah, right. This has a band in it. Was this the front or the back? That's the front, yeah. All right. So that way you always wear the hat right. Does it fit? Oh, it's a bit loose. Is it a bit loose? Perfect.

50:39Dude, perfect. I'm glad I got you the right size. Danke. You're welcome. That means you're welcome. Does donkey mean thank you? No, dengue. Dengue. Yeah, it's the same thing in German. Like, thank you in German and Pennsylvania Dutch is the same thing. Dengue. Yeah. Heck yeah, dude. dude. Yeah, now you're part of the Amish. You just need the rest of the clothes. I feel great, man. Do you think I would make a good Amish person or not? Be honest with me. Ah, well, do you like break a lot of rules and stuff? I don't know, really. I don't think so. Yeah. Like, if you don't really break any of the rules, you make a pretty good Amish.

51:15I could get my mom to get you some Amish clothes for you. Maybe for Christmas, I'll exchange something with you. I could send you something that would be that your community would accept as well. So are you allowed to accept gifts from people that are not Amish? Yeah, I accept gifts from people that are not Amish. Do your parents allow you to? Is that okay? Yep, because they sometimes, like, we all, we had sometimes a guy from around Christmas time, sometimes a guy, like, brings some stuff, and then we, like, he's done it for a couple years, and he, like, gifts all the younger kids some presents and stuff.

51:45Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's very nice. Oh, I know you had mentioned before that your parents said there's some stuff not to do during Rumspring. Like, what was some of that? Uh, they didn't really say too much, but they tell me like when I do something that they didn't think was, how do I say this, like probably not the best thing to do. Like appropriate? Yeah, like not probably like, because sometimes I do wild stuff, you know, like go on the Walmart, riding a scooter. Yeah. Because that came around and. But I mean, did they have advice against like sex, drugs, things like that? No, not like any sex stuff.

52:24That doesn't get talked about. You just kind of have to do like door to explore. You just kind of have to go out on the jungle and see what bites. Damn. So, yeah. We went to Walmart. Oh, something will bite at Walmart, dude. Yeah. I was looking at the TVs. They're like$1 ,000. Crazy. That's like a third of a bucky. And a TV doesn't even go anywhere. It just sits somewhere. I'd rather just play charades with my buddy like you guys probably do a lot. Y 'all play charades a lot? I'm not even quite sure what that is. Oh, it's where someone, like, you write down some movies or TV. Oh, shoot, you don't know a lot of movies and TV shows.

53:01Charades is like somebody acts something out, and you have to guess what they're acting out. Like, they impersonate something? Oh, you, like, pretend. So, like, let's say I was pretending to be the bishop. I'd be, like, go down here and then big angry look. Maybe scratching your beard, maybe going like this or something. Yeah, like this. Yeah. Yeah, like something like that. No, I've never played that, but I kind of know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. But you guys don't talk about sex within the Amish community much? Like at school and stuff, there's not a class that teaches you about it? Not in school, no.

53:34So, like— Will a dad kind of take his son and have like a birds and the bees talk? Like in— Ho-hila? Ho-hila. Ho-hila. It's kind of the birds and the bees. Like the dad will take you and talk to you about how things work, you know? Yeah, no. No. Like all of that stuff, you actually have to like figure out and stuff. Okay. But like since you got phones and stuff, you can kind of, you know, you can figure it out. But there's some stuff you, I mean, but you're not allowed to look at pornography on your phone and stuff. No, you're not supposed to, no. Yeah. No, I stay away from that stuff. Yeah, it's bad.

54:09It is very bad. Yeah. Yeah. Since you got into Rumsbury, can you get a girlfriend and stuff like that? Or like what are you allowed to do? Yeah, I can get, like, a girlfriend, like, all that stuff. But does she need to be Amish? Preferably, yeah. But, like, if I were to get, like, a girlfriend that was not Amish, she would either have to become Amish or I would have to, like, leave, like, the Amish. Do you think that there are a lot of women out there who are willing to become Amish? Does that happen a lot? I know of one case where that is happening. and I don't know how often it happens, but it's rare where it actually goes through.

54:46I know a lot of people want to become Amish, but they're not ready to make the final step towards it. What's the thing that keeps them away from that, makes people afraid to take that final step, do you think? I think it's a loss of your phone, the lights on the ceiling, the fans on the ceiling, like the vents and holes in the ceiling, like all of that stuff, I think, and then like the couch, the TV, and then whatever else, you know, like whatever else Hohelea use. If you have an Amish wife, does a wife have to provide like food and sexuals and stuff for the husband, or is it just, is it always negotiable, or does the wife have like a responsibility for kind of food and sexuals and stuff?

55:31Yeah, so the way it like it's everyone kind of accepts like they're like it's just how do I say this? It's like normal and you like It's where it's kind of like it's where it's everyone has a mutual understanding of like what they have to do Right, just like the woman, you know cooks cleans You know takes care of things around the house and then like if she needs help she'll ask like the husband for like help. And then usually the husband's, you know, gone most of the day working, like either building houses, plowing the fields or cutting like lumber or making cabinets or even polishing cabinets, stuff like that.

56:11But like they help each other when they're, when they're like at, like at home, like if it needs, but yeah, like the wife does cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids. Got it. And then stuff in the garden too. Right here it says, It says, Amish women mainly focus on housekeeping, child rearing, gardening, and food preparation. Many manage home finances, have their names on property deeds, and control the family checkbook. Women nurture the spiritual life of the children and are active in maintaining Amish cultural practices. Yeah. So women have a pretty strong voice in the Amish community. Yeah.

56:47Well, I'd say so, yeah. Yeah. Are Amish women good cooks? Like, do they make some cool stuff? Or what are some good Amish meals? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Dalmish, Dalmish make, I'd say make some of the best food, like especially grandma. She had a lot of experience in the, like in the field stuff. Or it's how you mean like, she has a lot of experience in like the field of cooking and stuff. Like her breadsticks, they're like out of this world. Are they? They're really good. And then my mom's. What do you put on them? I'm not even quite sure. Can you put butter on them or not? Yeah, butter. Yeah, it looks exactly like that.

57:21And can you put a little bit of salt on them? Do you have salt? No, we don't put salt on them. They're like, they're garlic breadsticks. Oh, so they have garlic on them. Yeah. And they're, and they're just, they're really good. And my favorite meal, like, let's say we're doing a lot of stuff, like building something or like a frolic where like the whole community comes together. A frolic it's called? Yeah. That's like when the whole community comes together and built something like a barn. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then like they'll make, they'll make some, either some chicken or some burgers with mashed potatoes corn and like i think you would call like like uh it's like like uh mac and cheese oh yeah and then you put some so what we do if our food's like hot we put some applesauce on it mix it up really yeah and then it's nice cool and then pork and beans oh if the food's hot you put applesauce on it yeah to like cool it down and stuff so like that's like one of my favorite meals and then even better like if you have steak and stuff like if you have steak that's really good yeah and do you have dessert too oh we have we have pretty good dessert too like like pies uh oh i bet amish pie is good yeah they have sugar or don't you yeah they they put sugar in them i'm not sure what they all put in because i know how to make scrambled eggs and that's about it same yeah and yeah they put what is it like uh Oh, God.

58:41What's a popular pie that you have or a popular dessert? A popular pie is a shoofly pie is one of them. Okay. And then peanut butter pie. Shoofly pie. What is it? That, I've not had it. I've not really. We don't have it very often. But another pie that's really good is mince pie, like pumpkin pie. That's really good. Like apple pie. That's really good. God, that's a good one. Like. I want that. Like that stuff is pretty good. Yeah, that's my cousin right there. Oh, really? I've seen this woman before. She's Amish. Yeah. No, she's ex-Amish. Oh, she's ex-Amish. She used to be Amish, yeah. So she's my cousin, actually.

59:19Oh, wow. Yeah. So I got, I guess, famous cousins, too. What are the fears of having a girlfriend that's not Amish, just that they won't understand the religion and the culture? Like, the biggest fear would be that the church or the parents would find out. That's definitely the biggest fear. But is it okay if she decides to join the church? It's okay? Yeah, it is okay. But like for that, that rarely ever happens. It's like, it's almost as rare as like the bishop leaving the community. Got it. Would she be welcome if that happened? Yeah. If she was, if she was fully Amish, yeah, she would be welcome.

59:52Now she might get a little bit of looks in the beginning, but yeah, as long as she's fully Amish, that would be good. Dude, she deserves the looks probably. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You can, you can handle a little bit of looks out of the gate. Can Amish people tickle each other or not? Is that, is that allowed or not? Is that, yeah. Like, like, uh, like when we were little kids, we used to tickle each other. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I don't really tickle anyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think people should keep doing it, but I'm just making sure it's allowed when you're kids. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:21And do they play hide and go seek? Like what kind of stuff do people do to pass the time? Like either ride horses, the ponies, like, uh, pony, like pony cars. And then also hide and like hide and seek. That's pretty fun. and then what oh yeah we play board games or just play with cars play with blocks i i used to play like underneath the porch or in the garden i used to we used to have a lot of a lot of like cars and stuff and i used to like pretend there was like a whole world there in the in the garden so mom didn't really like when i played in the garden when it was like all all the corn was up the potatoes like I actually like playing when it was corn corn was up and then uh the potatoes because it was like it was way more possibilities for imagination you could have a place here oh yeah there yeah just more creativity going on yeah and but if the it was the garden didn't work out or either that or just play under the porch like the porch was like oh yeah like three feet high so the older I got the more the more I hit my head on up on the up on the porch that's when it's time to get out.

1:01:28Yeah. That's when I decided, you know, if I do play in like when I do play with cars and stuff and out in the dirt, like the garden's the place to be. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And do people start dating within the Amish culture at a certain age or is it kind of taboo or how does it work? Like, is there a dance like at school where you can invite a girl to a dance? Like how does dating and that sort of like adolescent attraction kind of stuff like that, where you trying to get, You know, are you trying to, you know, meet a girl or if you have a first kiss? How's that whole universe in the Amish culture?

1:02:00So, like, our school only goes until 8th grade, so we're out of school in, like, 13 or 14. You're done with school completely? Yeah, completely done, and then you go to work. Dang. Yeah, so we didn't—I don't even know what high school is or public school or—like, I've never been there. Never, ever. I want to go one day. like high school's just doing drugs and try not to die of uh driving while intoxicated yeah like like if if that happened never happens for us like our horse will just take us home right yeah that's a tesla you basically have an original you kind of have like one of the self-driving cars yeah because if you fall asleep on your horse you know it might not be the safest way you know because you might you know go a little bit over on the road but as long as the people with like steering wheels and stuff they'll be if as long as they're like okay and stuff the horse will like go home and like so the way it works for like dating if you're like what is it so like 16 and a half like some it depends on the parents like my mom and dad like they weren't really allowed to like become like date like official girlfriend girlfriend uh until like until they were 18 yeah but like in our community like right now like like it basically happens whenever now like oh as soon as you join like the room spring like you can and usually the way you meet and hang out is through sing-ins like after church or at like weekend parties that's usually how it is so weekend parties are those do those happen in your district or those happen off of property that it it all the it varies where the amish party is sometimes it happens when the like sometimes when the parents are home we go to like uh we go to like their place and party there so at amish parties will people just like are people drinking and stuff like that it's a little bit more like freewheeling yeah you like drinking and then like even like the vapes things popped up too like do amish like to vape or not some do yeah yeah i knew yeah some do i knew it but also like cigarettes and then then sometimes we go like oh a pipe too a lot of amish look like they would smoke a pipe older the older ones too but they like the ones that are the younger ones usually don't they usually stick to cigarettes and stuff like that.

1:04:12But sometimes we'll go to an ex-Hammish person's house and party up there. It's a lot of fun. It is. And if you're doing Rump Spring, when do you have to be back at home? Do you leave on Friday? Do you have to be back on Sunday night? Or what is the rules? It varies from family to family. Let's say you have church tomorrow. You probably want to be home before the morning so you get a little bit of sleep. There's not church. You can come home or you can't. It just depends. but usually like when I when I do it I usually don't come home until like later Sunday okay yeah and do they drug test you or whatever if you're Amish do you have to get drug tested no no we don't have to do any like drug tests really yeah like no tests and stuff damn because y 'all got y 'all's own year-long Halloween going on out there in the fields I'm like yeah like sometimes like sometimes in the woods the field like just depends where the spot is yeah yeah but now like all Amish that like party and stuff like our number one way of like talking to each other is through like Snapchat.

1:05:11They've really taken over Snapchat? Yeah, like if an Amish, like a young Amish person that is roughly my age, if they have a phone, like a smartphone, they have Snapchat. Dang. Yeah, so. When was the first time you saw a phone or a screen? Do you remember? I think it was one time. It was not the first time, but I remember this one time when one of my ex-Amish uncles was at our place with his girlfriend, and she let me look on her phone and I was like sitting right beside her and she grabbed out her phone. She like started texting someone and she was flying through like the keyboard and stuff. You were like swiping the lines and all of a sudden words popped up.

1:05:52Like it was like, it was like bop, bop, bop, bop, the words like almost as fast as you can like talk. And so I was like really surprised. So that's like, that's like the, like I'd say like the first, some of the first memories of seeing a phone. What things are forbidden in you guys' culture kind of? uh a lot of things are like electricity um like having a smartphone we're allowed to have like phones for like our businesses like phone shacks and stuff and then tvs what else like pretty much anything that like doesn't have like that that requires like electricity and stuff and also like certain certain color of like shirts dresses if it's too bright it can also be like like like you can the bishop or deacon will talk to you about it oh yeah about it like it being the wrong color too flashy too flashy yeah and also if your haircuts like way short so my my haircuts like like okay because my mom gives me a haircut every time oh yeah yeah so i've never actually had a different kind of haircut oh yeah beautiful yeah so i almost have a mullet you you could probably have an amish haircut too oh yeah i think i have a little bit yeah you just let that just let the hair in front of the ear girl you know i could have been i block a little bit of the sound of like to the ear yeah yeah i would have enjoyed being amish i think man yeah how are regular people and amish people different from each other have you gathered how do they seem different from each other so like uh the main thing i've noticed is like uh like a lot of amish are when they're in public it seems like they're like bit like bit more respectful i guess another thing that's um big i guess uh like so if we like if we did something that was big and wrong like some one time my little brother he stamped out lots of corn down in our corner field and and he got a spanking from that like that's i guess that's the difference because i see a lot A lot of kids don't, like, I guess they don't get spankings anymore.

1:07:56Yeah, they don't do it anymore. Yeah. They should. I mean, I don't think kids should get abused, but sometimes a spanking is okay, I think. Yeah, because this is, like, getting beat up and then, because, like, because we never got, like, beat up or anything, but, like, if we did something bad, we got, like, three cracks with, like, a bell or something. But we never got abused and stuff, so, like, just, I guess, discipline. So discipline is something that seems stronger than the Amish people? Yeah. Yeah. What are some crimes that they have? Are there any crimes that are popular in Amish land? I'm not quite sure.

1:08:30Maybe like taxes sometimes because I know some people don't like file taxes and stuff because the only tax that we get that we free from that the Amish don't get taxed is like social security tax. So when we get old, the government doesn't like pay us and stuff. Oh, they don't. So you don't have to pay into that? No. Wow. I wonder why not. When you join the church, you get like the bishop and the government, I guess, work together to where you're like exempt from the social security tax. But that's like the only tax that I know of that you're like exempt from. Other than that, like if but if you don't file taxes, because I know some don't.

1:09:06But other than that, we have to pay all the other taxes. The Amish are exempt from Social Security and Medicare taxes, FICA, if they formally reject benefits and file for exemption due to their belief in mutual community support. Wow, so you guys feel like you don't need that. You support each other, huh? Yeah, a lot of Amish don't have insurance for stuff, too. Well, hell no. I don't think you could insure them, you know? But for business, I think for businesses, they somehow do what I think. but for like let's say you like let's say you fall off a roof or something you hurt yourself and then let's say you go to a hospital because i know the hospital like they they charge quite a bit oh yeah they they i don't know where they come up with the crazy numbers but they'll take you through the rum springer they will they'll drag they're like drag drag you dude yeah it's like dragging behind the buggy yeah or like a horse runs away and you're trying to hang on you're like scraping across gravel and stuff but yeah but like like all the community helps pay for that like if that would help i got it so there's a lot of community support that's a lot at any point in somebody's life so you guys might have a day where you're like mr so-and-so needs help or miss so-and-so needs help let's go help them yep that's how it works that's a big part of your life yeah like for example what are things you would go help a neighbor do uh like really with anything putting away hay we've done that lots of times or like building a barn like we've done that too or like even a house too like if they need help like a day or so we'll come together and help each other and i know back in the day uh we used to help each other like like someone does hey and then everyone everyone helps this person do hey then that person also like it's just a group effort this person this person this person like all around the community but that doesn't really happen happen anymore like you know like most most uh What is it?

1:10:55Oh, yeah, most Amish, they still farm a little bit, but most of them do construction or building cabinets. Oh, it's changed. Yeah. So the Amish are farming less than they used to? Yeah, because it's not as sustainable anymore. Right. When my dad was growing up, all they do is farm and milk cows. They milk a lot of cows. So what are some popular products, like you said, like cabinets and stuff? You see a lot of those. You see cabinets. You see furnaces sometimes. Yeah. I don't know if that's a real thing or that's just something that is made up and they claim that Amish do it. Like, you mean like wild up furnaces?

1:11:30Now, I'm not sure quite where those come from. Like the furnaces because there's wilding to it. Now, they might get it from like a person that's not Amish. Got it. They might get them from there. The biggest shift in Amish economic life in the last century has been from agriculture to non-farm businesses. Hmm. In the early 1900s, nearly all Amish families depended on farming for their livelihood. Today, only about 10 % do, with the majority now involved in various trades, crafts, retail. And then four, yeah, what are some of those? Construction and woodworking, carpentry, cabinet making, and now famous Amish furniture shops.

1:12:07That is a big thing now, huh? Yeah. Quilt making, sewing-related trades. Yeah, like selling Amish food, too, and quilts, and a lot of stuff like that. It's a big part of the culture up there. Yeah, it is. And how will you guys have like places on your property where people come and buy them? Or do you take them off property and people buy them there? Usually like if you have a greenhouse or like a place where you can buy like food and stuff. That's usually like a little building on the property. Like a market? Yep, like kind of like a market. or there's a farmer's market where Amish go to a town for a day and they bring all the baked goods and stuff like that.

1:12:50And there's also a lot of Amish places, like a lot of places where Amish are, where it's like tours, they offer tours, and then they bring them around. It's kind of like the Amish Mall, but the stores are really far apart from each other, like a couple miles. But yeah, they bring them around and they get to see an Amish farm. I think they're called Amish tours, and it's like tours, stuff like that. Okay. And then you can, like, stop at the Amish place and, like, buy something from, like, the store and stuff. Got it. Yeah. Yeah, we've been up there before and stopped at some places that I think were having cheese and ice cream maybe even.

1:13:24Yeah. I'm not sure. But, like, usually we only, like, make ice cream through the winter because you just grab the snow out of the ground and put it in a bucket and— Could you make ice cream if you needed to? Yeah. Like, if it was—if we had ice or something cold that you put around the thing where you make ice cream because you got to crank the ice cream. that I like you crank and then the thing in the middle spins around the ice and oh yeah yeah so like Amish ice cream is pretty good what music do you guys listen to I know you said in the beginning there's some different sometimes people sneak in some Def Leppard but if not you guys just sing a lot is there a lot of Amish songs and dancing as well or no no in our community there's not really any dancing there's like the only like the only music songs that are really louder would It'd be like, like, Truman Hymes.

1:14:10But then, like, on the, uh, then sometimes we, like, sneak out on the weekends and stuff. And, uh. Listening to some Soulja Boy or something? Yeah. Like, like, uh, like, what is it? Like, Def Leppard, Bon Chovy, you know. A lot of Amish, like, rock and roll. And then, I guess, house EDM music. And then also, like, a lot of country, like, Garth Brooks, Mark and Wallen. Yeah. People like that. But I also listen to like a little bit of rap stuff. Like Amish Paradise is, that's a pretty good song. Amish Paradise? Yeah. Keeps, man. Who sang that? Weird Al Yankovic I did. Oh, did he? That makes perfect sense.

1:14:47That's groovy. Yeah. Amish Paradise, that's a pretty, I love that song. That's a banger, huh? It is a banger. Yeah. He looks a little bit mad there, but it was a pretty good song. He probably pissed his horse ran off or whatever. Yeah. Something like that. Because like his horse was pretty good at backing all the way at the end. Yeah. Yeah. And then also, like, I like to listen to a little bit of, like, rap stuff, too. Oh, yeah? Yeah, like Ghana. A little bit of Ghana. Oh, you listen to some Ghana? Yeah. Like, I don't really listen to what he says. I looked at the lyrics, like, a couple times.

1:15:19And, like, the lyrics aren't the best. But, like, I like the way it sounds. Like, the, like, the, like, the, sounds like, like, wind chimes. And then it just, it sounds very melodic. He's a vibe, yeah. He's got it. Yeah. Um, what else was I thinking about? Where else can we go from here? We're almost done. Let me think about what else we can talk about. You know what I'm going to do, Timmy? I'm going to take that down and keep this up here. That's pretty cool. I'm just going to make sure that you're always here in spirit, dude. I appreciate that. You bet, man. What? I want to ask you something.

1:15:52Um, with the risk of people leaving the community and stuff, are families still very close or do they only get closer after people join the church? Does that make any sense to you? I think, I think it does. So, like, most of the time, like, the family's very close. Unless, like, when the kids and the parents, like, they don't agree on stuff, and then they leave. That's, like, the time when, like, they're not as close anymore. It depends on the person, I guess, and the parents, too. Is it pretty heartbreaking when that happens in the community? Yeah, it's, like, when I was younger, I was, like, when someone left, it's almost like someone died.

1:16:30Not quite, but it almost felt like that. But since I got older, I understand it a bit more, and it's not as bad as it used to be. Yeah. Wow, that's you right there? Yeah. I was really skinny when I was young. I'm still kind of skinny, you know? You look like that guy in Kingpin a little. What's that? You seen Kingpin? No idea what that is. It's like an Amish movie. It's like a historical Amish film or whatever. Oh, I almost look like that dude? Yeah. When he's younger. Yeah. Not now. Oh. When he's younger. But he's a classy guy. He's a great guy. Yeah, he looks like a great guy too. Oh, yeah Randy Quaid.

1:17:03He's got like a big beard now. Yeah. Yeah, he's doing okay Yeah, I'm a fan of his um What have you decided about rumspringer and what you're gonna do with your family and the church and stuff? Have you made any decisions yet? ah like Like not yet like I the final the final decision will probably be in like Probably within like two years or so okay, and then I It depends if I leave or, you know, join the church. Well, right now you actually can't really join the church because, like, there's no bishop. You can join other churches that are, like, a little bit of waste in a different district. But, like, yeah, it'd probably be, like, two years until I, you know, like, make my final decision because it's kind of a big decision.

1:17:42Yeah. Yeah. What would be the thing you think that would draw you out of the faith, that would draw you out of the church and out of the district? uh i would think like like if i wanted to do something like something that would like something like something i'm doing right now like this podcast like something worldly and they'll probably come down on me for like doing something like that i guess would drive me away a little bit because i don't know it feels a little bit like a little bit restrictive but like i guess that's the only thing i would think but you don't feel like doing this podcast will mess up your opportunity to go back or leave, huh?

1:18:22No, I don't think it will. Okay, good. I don't want that to happen, man. I want you to be able to make the best choice for yourself no matter what. It sounds like a really beautiful community, is it? Yeah, it's very beautiful, I'd say. It sounds like you have a lot of community, a lot of sense of togetherness, you know? Yeah. A lot of, like, do you feel a strong sense of purpose being Amish? uh yeah like you like uh yeah kind of uphold the honor you know work hard you know the harder to work the better because you get you stay in shape and then the more you can help out is always better because i love helping out people and making people stay that's like one of my favorite things to do i like doing that so yeah a lot of fun yeah i think it's important you know i think that's one where we really fill ourselves up is like doing something for somebody else you know it feels good yeah it's like and you seem like you get to do a lot of that in your community so there's probably a strong sense of feeling of like doing good yeah there is if you guys are helping each other out a lot yeah are siblings really close in your community or is that kind of not you mean the siblings yeah yeah usually like the siblings are usually close you know not like we're close you know just like just like brother and brother yeah legally close yeah yeah like legally close so usually the brothers and the sisters they usually keep the sisters are closer to themselves and the brothers are closer to themselves for sure here's my little brother oh that's him right there he doesn't really he probably wouldn't care if I put his face up on social media and stuff but I blurt it out I put a thing over his eyes Oh, yeah, out of respect.

1:20:09Yeah. That's fun, though, you guys. So a lot of times when you're Amish, you're just driving around, hanging out, telling stories and stuff? Yeah. Making each other laugh a lot? Yeah. Are you allowed to laugh? Yeah, you're allowed to laugh. We drink coffee and laugh. At work, we're laughing a lot of the time. We talk. Because when you're, I don't know if non-Amish people, I don't know what they do when they work. Do they talk to each other and laugh and stuff? Yeah, they do. I think a decent amount at a lot of jobs. Yeah. Probably jobs that are more like if you're doing construction, things like that, contracting, things where you're building stuff, working together, where there's team opportunity, there's a lot of laughter, dude.

1:20:50And if you're just sitting at a desk by yourself, you're probably just losing your mind. Yeah, that would be kind of sad, like being inside all day and, you know, under the lights and stuff. Oh, yeah. I think there's something that's kind of like it doesn't feel very human about it. No. Are there a lot of people on antidepressants and stuff that are Amish or no? Not that I know of. There might be like, like maybe everyone like here, here and maybe way over there, but not that I know of. No. Do people seem depressed a lot or not really? Most of them don't. Most of them don't. But then you have, then you also have sometimes like people that are like, what do you call those people that are like super depressed?

1:21:29Like sometimes they're like super depressed. Oh, um. They're almost like, they're almost like the water when it gets rough. They're like up and down a lot. Oh, bipolar kind? Yeah, bipolar. Like, we sometimes, like, I don't have a person that has that, and, like, it's kind of crazy. Some studies have found ominous depression rates to be one-fifth to one-tenth of mainstream society with strong family ties and community support cited as protective factors. That's unbelievable. Yeah. One-fifth to one-tenth is insane, brother. That's a, I mean, that's a huge difference. Yeah. Strong family ties, robust social networks, work ethic, and especially religious faith are seen as major mental health protective factors.

1:22:08Will you guys pray together a lot just with friends? Like if you see them somewhere, is that a common practice? No, like we only do it like at the table. Got it. But I know some families do like pray more than we do. We should probably do it more. I think that's how we all feel. Yeah. Do you have Valentine's Day? Oh, yeah. We have Valentine's Day at school. So what happens in Valentine's Day is at school. So when that happens, it would basically, we put like things on a paper and we put it into a hat and then we mix it all up. And someone walks around with like, and then you reach in and you pick out a name.

1:22:46And if you got that name, then that's your Valentine. Like your Valentine, you got to like switch lunch pails. And then you also have to like send a Valentine in with them. And can it be a boy or a girl? Yeah, it can be like either way. Got it. Yeah, so it's like nothing, it's like, it's probably way different from like, like from non-Amish and public schools. Because I'm guessing like non-Amish and public schools, it would have to be like a, like a boy and a girl, right? Yeah, but in y 'all's culture, it's just whatever. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And the way we do it is like just the main, the reason we do it is mainly your friends.

1:23:26You give your friends a Valentine, and then you also switch, like, lunch pails, and then the moms will usually put something special in there, like NX or Candy Bar. My mom used to buy, like, those things from Walmart, those, like, big red hearts, and then send that with to them. Oh, yeah, that's nice. Yeah. Moms do that. Yeah. That's a nice thing. Yeah. What other holidays? Do you have Halloween? No, we don't have Halloween, but I've had the—before I went to Room Spring, bring a the neighbors that our non-amish neighbors they picked me up and then then uh they put me like in a prison prison costume thing like i had black and white stripes all over me and like we went out and gathering candy like you just walk up to these people's houses and they have candy for you i know yeah it's it's crazy halloween's like really crazy but a lot of them a lot a lot of amish like don't don't celebrate because like apparently that's like uh the occasion of like Like Halloween is like something to do with like the devil.

1:24:26I'm not quite sure. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. It's a pagan holiday. Yeah. Because some people like real scary stuff in the yard. They got like snakes and then these dead people with like skulls and stuff. Stuff hanging from trees. Yeah. Deceased adults and children. Yeah. They're like bones. I don't know where they get the bones. So like take them out or something. It's probably something. They probably had insider trading with some dog or something. Yeah. What is something that you want people to know about Amish people that are a view of them? or you think that's something that's incorrect before we get out of here?

1:24:56Like a misconception? Yeah. Yeah, so like one of the biggest misconceptions I see all the time with like me being online and stuff, it's like crazy. Like all the stuff, like people say I'm not Amish, I don't do this way. There's actually two misconceptions I can say. Like number one is like a lot of Amish kids my age have like phones, like they hide it from their parents and stuff. and where it's like they have like they have like like they have some electronics and stuff where they but they have to like keep it on the low and stuff and what would they do bury it in a field somewhere where they hide it behind a hog or something like yeah like hide it in the barn like the back of the bucky sometimes in a culvert and hope it doesn't rain yeah so that's one thing like a lot of Amish have phones and every pretty much every Amish that has a phone that's like my age that's not for business and stuff is like they have snapchat we'd like that's how we yeah like communicate that's like our new new like messenger pitch it's your underground railroad yeah it's underground railroad i was thinking about you know starting underground bucky races but i first got to dig the tunnel and stuff but like another misconception you know about them is just like uh what was it oh yeah about me not being amish because i have a i have a phone that's because like another thing that's um like huge like really big because like there's amish movies and they're always they always turn on the butter yeah and basically they're living without electricity now there's so many there's so many different like amish because like what you hear from me like from where i came from is will not be the same from an amish in indiana ohio or like Pennsylvania.

1:26:38It's, it's, there's so many different ones, like little different ways. Different branches of it. Yeah. Lots of different branches. And I, I would, I would say like, there's not a single community that's like exactly the same. There's always a little bit of rules and there's so many different branches of it where they wear a bit different clothes, bit different hats, do things a bit differently. Cause I've had people say like, this is not Amish. And then, uh, they like write a detailed description, but I guess they, they probably don't know better that there's like lots of different ones because there's there's like lots of speechies watching trooper new order old order there's there's so many different branches it sounds like a bunch of people on the warp tour yeah yeah it's like so so when anabaptist became a thing they basically like they're like a minority for a little bit have you ever seen back to the future no dang boy what is that what what's that i think you would like it and i think it's a i think it's something that is almost appropriate.

1:27:33I don't think it's too crazy. Okay. I think you could handle it. Have you ever seen Family Man with Nicolas Cage? No. Do you know who Nicolas Cage is? Ah, I'm not even quite sure. Wow. Wow. So these are like movies and stuff? Yeah. Oh, wow. Family Man's one of my favorites, dude. So what's that about? It's about this guy and he's very like rich and fancy and stuff. Yeah. And then one day he kind of something happens where he goes back into his life like 20 years earlier. Yeah. And he makes a different decision to stay with a girl that he was in love with instead of leaving. He goes like back in time?

1:28:12Yeah, he goes back in time. Like he doesn't realize that he falls asleep. It's on Christmas. He falls asleep on Christmas Eve and he wakes up and he's back in a different life he would have had if he had made a different choice to stay in love instead of to go for like the big job in the fancy apartment. Oh, he went for the money over people. He went for the money over people and he had a choice and he goes back in time and now suddenly he wakes up and he's in a house with this lady that he was in love with. But now they have like two kids and they like they don't live in like he was living in like this fancy downtown place with like a butler and somebody that would like chew your gum for you and just tell you what it would taste like.

1:28:48You don't have to chew it. Wow. That rich. That's like super rich. It's too much. Yeah. I'll chew my own gum. You know what I'm saying? I want to chew my own gum, you know, drink my own water. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like that. Yeah, for sure. I want to at least do that. Let me do at least the low, low hanging fruit. Yeah. But anyway, um, so then he gets that experience and then one day he wakes back up and he's back in his original life and he hates it. And so he, he drives off from his original life to go find the girl and see what's going on. And, um, and then you figure out what happens from there.

1:29:21Wow. That's, that's crazy. Almost sounds like that almost when he went back in time and stuff or like twizzle, like what happened, what would have happened if he would have like stayed with that girl? So that's almost like me deciding if I want to stay Amish or leave the Amish. Yeah, it's like a rumspringer. Yeah, it's like a really hard decision. Yeah. What factors do you think will go into you choosing? What do you think are good factors to help you decide, or do you think about that? I think it's what I will all see from the outside world, and I'll probably compare the two and see which one I like.

1:29:56I like the Amish lifestyle, the food, and all that stuff is good. But the only thing right now that I don't like too much are the rules a little bit. Oh, yeah? Yeah, but that's what Rumspring is for you, to break them. Yeah, get out there and break them. But do you have any plans to go to any special events coming up while you're on Rumspring? Any football games, anything like that? The only special event I've coming up is actually this weekend. I'm going to go on a plane for the first time. Wow. Yeah, and jump out of it. No, really? Yeah, I'm going to like, because let's say something goes wrong when you're landing.

1:30:28So I want to be off the plane when it's up in the air and go skydiving. Dude, that's going to be sick. Are you geeked? I'm really excited. So this week is, I think this is a week I'll never forget. Wow. It's really, really crazy. So yeah, no one knows this. I haven't told anyone. I won't say anything, yeah. It's crazy. I'll go skydiving for the first time. But I think, don't they like put, they like strap a person on the back of you. They put a guy on you, yeah. I just tell him you're not interested before you guys jump. Yeah. Just say, look. I'm not interested. Yeah. I'm here for the jump. I'm here for the jump only.

1:31:03Yeah. Just as you, I don't want him getting any ideas. Yeah. No ideas at all. Yeah. Like when we land, it's over. Yeah. Right. That's what, that's what the plan is. And cause I was thinking, I was talking to my co-worker, I was thinking, you know, that would be a really crazy story. You know, the first airplane ride you ever go into, you just decided, you know, I don't want to, I just got to jump out, you know. I'm out of here. I'm out of here, yeah. So it'll be the first plane you've ever been in, and then you're out of it. I'm out of it, yeah. Wow. And then, like, same way with a podcast. I decided, you know, the first podcast I'd be on would be Theo Vons, because you're a pretty cool dude.

1:31:40Well, thank you, dude. I think you are too, man. I'm really intrigued by you guys' lifestyle. I think I learned a decent amount about it today. You know, there probably could have been some other avenues about it that I could have asked about. Yeah. But I appreciate you coming, bro. I really do. I appreciate you inviting me. And I admire you guys having a unique culture. I think there's a lot of people in the world that are trying to get back to the roots of their culture and things that matter and mean something. So I almost feel like you guys are already there in some ways. Yeah, in some ways, yeah.

1:32:09And like some people, it feels like it's not grounded anymore to family and stuff. Like they're just doing really crazy stuff. But like if you're like if you touch grass every day, you know, like like you're outside every day and like I'm outside all the time. That's why I'm like so dark. Almost like Mexican, but I'm not. But yeah, like and it's really crazy. Well, I appreciate it a lot for you inviting me. This is a really crazy experience coming out here to town and then me sleeping 10 stories up, up 10 stories. That's like the first time I've ever slept there. You're in a hotel that's really high?

1:32:53Yeah. You never done that? No, I haven't. Wow. And it's like my first time ever, like, staying in a big city like this. So it's like I'll never forget it. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, good, man. Timothy, I appreciate it, man. Thank you so much, dude, for your time. Thanks for coming out to my show. And, yeah, thanks for being here with us and helping us learn, brother. I appreciate it, dude. All right, man. Thanks for my hat, too, dude. Dude, that's the least I could do. It was nice. And when I get close to it, I'm coming by for some coffee soup, all right? Yes, sir. With meat. Yes. You got it.