#616 - Retired Boston Detective

24:48Right. But do you really only have 48 hours? No, we have all the time you need, except it gets busy. And if I have three cases that day and if I got to work on it and then two days from now, I get another big one, like a shooting or a stabbing or whatever, now your attention is split. So time is of the essence because something else is always going to happen. It's going to happen. Something's coming and whether you have a leisurely amount of time to work on the case, like then you're working overtime then you're working a double to try to stay and work on this case because another one could come in tomorrow so it is this point to it like the 40s are important but i think more so because something else is coming so it's going to take the attention away and then you can only be in so many places that it wants you know what i mean you can't you can't yeah i yeah i never thought about that part of it well how do you prioritize what cases are most important i mean obviously like if someone gets shot or stabbed like that's a violent crime and you want that person who it's more defendant based like the kind of person that's going to do that you want them off the streets right right right and if you know compared to you know identity fraud well that's not an emergency that that can wait you know what i mean so those kind of like because we get a ton of fraud that's check fraud and all that shit bank fraud it's a nightmare because it's a lot of times it's not even taking place.

26:13We have our victims in our city, but suspects are all over the country or all over the world. So you can't prosecute them. So it's hard to chase down. So those are kind of, to the victim, it's not a lower priority. They're the one that had their money stolen or whatever. But it's not the same as being shot or stabbed. Or having a criminal that's out there. Yeah, violent armed robbery or something like that. We've got to find this guy now because obviously they're in heat for crime. Yes, exactly. Wow. So are there days when you kind of get to the end of your shift almost and you look and you're like, oh, my God, there's still that one missing person I didn't reach out about.

26:45There's still this one thing. Yeah, there's always a pile. And now I have to go do that. Yeah. Oh. You very rarely get to go home at the end of your shift. You're always staying. And what's that effect like on your home life? Like were you able to have kind of a home life? Like what was that like for you? Yeah, I mean it makes it trickier for sure. You need help at home. It definitely makes it more difficult. And were you able to have a family except you have children? Yeah. Nice. Oh, your daughter's here. My daughter's here. Oh, nice. I forgot. Yeah. I didn't forget, but I think I just didn't know if she wanted to say it or not, maybe too.

27:16So, yeah. So, yeah. How do you manage that? Was that? It's tricky. It was difficult. It was. I'm not going to lie. It was hard. Yeah. Because if you're expected to come home, I get you to help them with some project or just got to make supper. And you have to call and be like, I'm not, I'm not going to make it. Someone got stabbed or I got to stay late. A lot of times you know you're going to be like, okay, those days I know I can stay late because I have coverage with the kids or whatever. But it's not easy. But at least you had a good excuse. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't getting my nails done or getting shit-faced.

27:49Yeah, I'm getting my nails done or I'm getting, yeah. I'm working. Yeah. At least it wasn't like, yeah, I'm drinking or something or Euclid is on third base. I can't, you know. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to be home on time. Yeah. do you start to see where family life suffers do you see it like you know because that's also a common theme in a lot of like uh police serial programming and films and stuff where the detective is working late and then there's the family thing starts to suffer you know i mean i'm sure it did but like i said you've you kind of figure it out you make it work you can like i was a detective in a busy part of the city that's why i transferred to the human trafficking unit because that was like a Monday through Friday job, not a rotating schedule.

28:32Because I worked holidays. We worked every Christmas. You got a holiday off every six years. So, but you'd get all the holidays off that year. So that year you're getting, you know, excuse me, you're getting Easter, excuse me, please, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's. You'll get all the biggies off. But then it's six more years until you get another one. Wow. So, I went to human trafficking. I drink some water real quick. You don't mind. You're good. Horrific. Sorry, miss. I don't want to tell you what to do anything. Thank you for your service. That's what I'm saying. So it's six of the – wow, that's wild.

29:04So that time you get to spend with your family, it's really crucial. Yeah, especially holidays. But if you're working different shifts, if you're working the midnight shift, you can kind of go home and start to sleep for a couple hours and then meet everybody at Thanksgiving. So that's how Boston worked. Obviously different cities do different things. We just had six squads rotating days off. but some units like the human trafficking unit is Monday through Friday. So it's a little more normal if you have young kids or a family and you want being a regular person, as I call it, and have Saturday and Sunday off like everybody else, those units are better for something like that.

29:35Got it. And I know you ended up in that unit. I want to talk to you about that in just a second. Take me through a couple more detective calls that were interesting to you or that really stood out. I'd say I always, my joke was always going to be that I was going to write a book and the name of it was going to be Dick on the Sidewalk. and other stories from the street. The last few years, I was a detective. I got like three of the craziest cases of my life in year 31.

30:05We had someone, the guy cut off his own dick and threw it on the sidewalk. Oh, for what? Because he was crazy. He was mentally ill, but we don't know any of this. So the call came in in the morning. I was on the way in. It was early in the morning. It was cold out. I remember that. Oh, yeah. I have the radio on and I hit the dispatcher, call a car and then start to laugh. And then she says, disregard. We don't know what's happened. So I'm driving to the station and then a call comes in again, sending a different car. Cause it was like the midnight shift ending, sending a different car. Hey, can you go to this location?

30:35Someone said, this is a, some mail and a piece of mail anatomy on the sidewalk. And we were all laughing. We thought it was, we just thought it was a dildo. We thought it was a joke. That's why the dispatcher was laughing. You just thought it was like a WNBA game or whatever. Exactly. It wasn't green. um call comes in like 10 minutes later and my detective that i was working with the time looked it up on the computer to see the text of the call like what does this actually say and then we saw that the caller was from a nearby health center and it's said there's you know it appears to be a penis on the ground there's blood everywhere we're like oh shit that's that's not fake so the patrolman go up there and so that's our starting point we don't know anything else and literally there it is.

31:16I wasn't there yet. The patrolman see it on the sidewalk and there's a blood trail. So they start following the blood trail and it went a long way, several hundred yards. What? And it gets worse and worse. So that's how it starts. So that's our starting point and the patrolman followed the blood trail and then they're following it up the stairs of this three family house. It's like three apartments in one house and the blood gets bigger and bigger. They knock on the door. This guy opens the door, completely naked, a hole where his dick used to be and he's just standing there. not talking and they're like hey buddy you okay like and he's just like he doesn't speak he just stares at them so that they're new they were newer guys i felt so bad for them that that's a that's a tough call they weren't brand new obviously but that's a lot for young young guys to see this right oh yeah just see some cock down the street or whatever why don't you why don't you come in and sit down so they and turns out it was like a group home for mentally ill people but there's no staff members or anything there's three people in the house it is a bloodbath there's blood everywhere in the bedroom the floor the sink was full of it so they find that and they get on the radio and they're like get us an ambulance whatever because we don't know how does someone alive right so he's alive so i got called and me and another detective my boss went down and it's on the sidewalk and they're taking photographs or whatever and they call once the ambulance find out he's alive they just assume somebody had bled out somewhere and was dead or someone did it to somebody else he's like no i did it like oh shit okay so he's being honest yeah but he's just completely and utterly mentally at some other point he'd like cut off his own nipples he said to let the devil out so the poor thing was very mentally ill he was young early 20s so once the emts find out this person's alive now they want to try to collect it to see if they can reattach it at the hospital so we had done our photos i actually have a video of this whole thing.

33:10I pulled video from the street, nearby surveillance video. That's how I know kind of everything after the fact. They come down to reattach it. And we had just done the photos. I didn't look directly at it. I can do. Oh, you never stare into it. You do like a weird blurring. It's almost like when someone blurs out somebody's face and that's what your brain does. You're like, I don't want to see that. I want to see all of it. It was big. It was nasty. So they try to come down to take it off the sidewalk. He goes to pick it up. And what are Was he using a spatula or whatever? No, he had gloves on.

33:40He was using his hand. And he had this weird, like, clear cylinder. He was an EMT. He had this, like, cylinder thing he was going to put in. Well, like one of those bank, remember at the bank you would put that check in the thing and send it back up through there? Literally like that. So he goes to pick it up, and it's been so cold. He's tugging it, and it was frozen to the sidewalk. No way. Like that guy from Christmas Story. Bring that up. Like it's tugged. That's what happened to the poor guy. Bring that up real quick because people forget that that can happen. Oh, yeah. And let's get – just to give us a descriptive visual, what kind of wiener are we talking about?

34:20And if you're wieners, I don't know if it's still – what kind of wiener, sod – because that's just a sidewalk wiener. What kind of wiener are we talking about? It's big. It was. It was big and it looked purple. Ooh. Yeah, it was a black guy and it almost looked purple. but he went to tug it and because it froze he gave it a second tug and then like he didn't let go of it it like went in the air and this thing came out I don't know if it was his urethra I don't know what the fuck it was I compared later to like a balloon streamer came like flying out the end oh that's some party confetti baby and I just turned and dry heaved into the street I've never thrown up at the job I've never done it I dry heaved into the street and I was like what the fuck and some young patrolman who was there and this is all on video he's in his uniform and he does this little kicky, uncomfortable dance because he's like, oh my God, that was horrific.

35:09Oh, he just couldn't handle it like that? No, exactly. And then later I pulled the video from the street. We're like, how did this get there? How did this guy get back to the house? He had cut it off several hours before in the house, walked down the street and he's completely naked. Nobody called police. This is the best part. There's people going to work. It's like three or four in the morning. Busy, busy street. Driving down the street. He's completely naked. What no one called 911. one and he's walking down the street and i have a video of it he leans it he cut it but it wasn't off altogether so he leans down bro that's that whoa that's that Memphis and then threw it on the sidewalk no oh so wait tell me that part again he what so he so i'm watching this video so he leans tell me that part again so i'm watching the video and try to find him like what time did this happen and you just see this form it's dark and he's completely naked walking down the street and all of a sudden he leans over i'm like what's he doing and he's in the direction it's kind of from the side direction of his crotch you see his heart move like a tug and then he just fucking threw it and i i remember when i pulled the video i didn't know this had happened i watched it and i pushed my chair back from the desk and screamed i was like what the fuck the worst part is he came so if you could believe something's worse he came back about a half an hour later he walked like a mile they said that's what saved him why he didn't bleed to death.

36:27It was so cold, it coagulated the blood, so he didn't bleed to death. He came back, and he's walking down the street, and as he sees it, he walks over to it and gets down on all fours and leaned over and kissed it. Nuh-uh. And then got up and walked away. I thought he was going to eat it like a dog bone, honest to God. I was like, what is happening? What is happening? He bent down, gave it a smooch, and got up and walked home. Oh, God. It was fucking crazy. Oh, my God. The poor bastard. Let me tell, because I got to go through a couple beats of that story. And dear God, let me just say that out loud so God knows that we're just alarmed by this.

37:05First of all, the fact that he cut it and it was just hanging there. He didn't do the job. Just like a piece of Memphis mistletoe just hanging there. That's so wild. Yeah, it was nuts. Like mistletoe at a Diddy party or something, dude. And then he tugged it off. I can't even imagine. Gives it a tug. Because you've read like a little hangnail and you pull it off. Kills. and this is like there's a lot of nerve endings oh that's the ultimate hangnail yeah that's the most hang that should be the name of my chapter not dig on the sidewalk the ultimate hang that's the most hangiest nail yeah that there is ike when you said that it got so visceral i think for me and i'm sure for anybody listening most men get the same reaction when you tell them and then i wonder what flew out of it pull that up on perplexity because i'm thinking that's just a little you know what it looked like in the photo and when i saw her come out.

37:52You know what like sausage casing looks like before there's a sausage in it? It's almost like skinny, opaque kind of almost, I don't know how else to describe it. It's like kind of gray and translucent. It was like a little smaller than my pinky and this thing just flew out. I just could not even. Yeah, that's just a little wiener funfetti, homie. Let's look at, no, give me a gander at it, man. I'm trying to get a gander. Yeah, just look at the, but let's look at the parts here because it's fascinating to know what is that. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck it was. That's a vagina. Oh, no, that's a wiener.

38:25Sorry. These days you can't tell. The other day, my buddy showed me a picture of his naked wife. She has a wiener and I was like, alright, well that's a surprise. Yeah, maybe it's a urethra. Yes, because see the urethral opening goes down to the end. That's what it was. God boy. Yeah, it was dicing. It was a dice. And I remember when we got the call and I remember standing over it thinking like where did I go wrong in my fucking life that it's 745 in the morning and I'm looking at someone's dick on the goddamn sidewalk. You know, I was like, wait, what did I do? What did I do to serve this? It's a question as old as time.

38:59You know, it really is. Poor bastard. I think a lot of women have asked themselves things like that overall. You know, and in hindsight, how does that even follow up? Do you guys keep that in evidence? Well, no, they tried to reattach it at the hospital. So they rushed him to the hospital with it and they did attach it, but it didn't take, it was like a month later they had to like take it off yeah imagine that month oh my god so it's funny because of the group home we were trying to find out what is this kid's story what's his name because the other kid in the house was not with it at all couldn't even he was just sitting there playing video games of course like a bloodbath so we're like it's hard to get the kids off the games right so but these guys they're like 20 so i call the um the supervisor of the group home and i was trying to get some information And he's like, oh, him, we're trying to find him an in-house, a placement in a hospital or a psych ward because he's, you know, he's been exposing his peanuts in group classes or whatever, in group meetings.

39:54And I said, well, you're late. You're a little late because he cut it off and threw it on the side with the guy. He's like, what? Like you could tell he shit himself because that's his, how someone's supposed to be supervising. Yes, obviously somebody's supposed to be there. Someone failed. Making sure at the very least someone's not lopping off their own wiener. and I just can't I can't even imagine the month wait to know if it's going to take or not you know I don't think he cared but still just as I think he was obviously crazy I know that's not the technical but you don't think he cared why I mean he cut off to begin with he said he was letting the devil out like he's just extremely mentally ill and I don't think he even kind of I mean I think there's a part of a lot of people that think the devil lives inside of their genitalia for some people yeah and like I said he cut his he cut his nipples off he like carved something in his forehead like this poor kid It was really messed up.

40:40It's heartbreaking that people go through so much. And I just, I can't imagine that month where you're waiting to see, right? Like the bandage is on. I can't imagine doing it. Like how do you sit there and saw it off? And he didn't. Did he use a saw now? No, it was just a big long kitchen knife. But you know, it was as dull as dishwater. It was in some shitty group home. It's not some nice Henkel's knife. You know what I mean? I'm sure. Well, it's not like Hanzo scissors. It was like some plastic handled shitty kitchen knife. It was like this long. You got to see the knife? Yeah, we were up in the apartment.

41:11Was it a basic knife you get like if you made your kids dinner, you give them a knife for your husband dinner? No, not a steak knife, like a little bit longer. Like it would come in your knife block for like carving or whatever. Serrated or whatever? I don't remember that. Oh, God, please. I don't think it was serrated. I hope it was. Otherwise. Serrated might be more jagged. But I think you would get it done pretty quicker. I don't know if we can. I mean, the more we talk about this. God only knows how long he was working at it because the whole bedroom. So the kid I was working with, thank God, he had been in the crime scene unit.

41:38So he would go into scenes all the time. Like he put on Tyvek suit to go in because there's so much blood. We were stepping through it. Oh, the wiener holds a lot, baby. That's the Lord's spigot. The Lord that lots that day. God, boy, definitely. God. And who was the other kid? Just some honky sitting there playing double dragon or something? He was sitting there. It's like a grown man with his legs crossed. So you know that's weird, the crisscross applesauce. and he's sitting there like trying to, we were talking like, hey, do you know what happened? He's just like trying to look past us like because we're in the way of his game.

42:11To play the game? All right, this guy ain't, this guy's not going to help. What game was it? Do you remember it all? I don't know. I was concentrating on other shit. Wow. Yeah, he was literally just trying to look around us. I bet it was one player. They didn't have a lot of two-player games at that time. Wow. Oh my God. But the worst, imagine you just, you're waiting, they wrap your wiener, they do the repackaging and I bet at that point it's almost like the Masked Singer. Are you just waiting? They take it off and you're seeing like, okay, is this, what do we have here? Did this work? Yeah. What's the result?

42:40Yeah. Do we have a Shaquille O 'Neal here? Do we have a Muggsy Bogues here? You know, I think you're just waiting to see. What are you going to end up with? Oh, that must've been horrible. The big reveal, you know, and they're like, move that bus. And then the bus takes off and your cock doesn't work, dude. That's the freaking worst. God. I hate that. That was a day. I hate that. oh that's harrowing yeah that was one that's harrowing and it's cold out was it so cold outside was it hard to stand outside was it that cold uh we weren't outside that long once we took the photos and when the emt came down and collected it uh there wasn't else much to do that scene so then we went up to the house and it wasn't cold in there we were outside for maybe an hour, 45 minutes.

43:27I don't even remember. It wasn't like 20 below. Right. But it was chilly, right? Yeah, it was cold. But the part for me, I think that would be the wildest is, say you are you know, you're so cold you run out there, you're looking at the cock and then it gets too cold, you gotta run back into your car and warm up. No, there was no running back to get warm ready. And you're like texting like, alright, let's meet out there again in 30 seconds. You know what I'm saying? Like you're having to battle the cold so much. No, not at that case. You're like, oh, yes, yes, dude. It's a black cock and you have to go sit back in your car.

43:54Like that's the part having to build up just to stay warm out there. God, that's insane. Yeah, it was fucking crazy. And that's the kind of shit, it's like you're sitting there and then you're watching your kiddo blow out some birthday candles or something. You go from that to something else. That was the day. We went out for drinks after work that day. Oh, yeah. We were like, we're going out tonight. Yeah, I'll be black and tan, huh? That's what I'm saying, dude. I love some Johnny Walker. There was another story to pivot. I know that you had mentioned whenever our producer Nick had reached out to you.

44:33And thank you so much for coming. Of course. I want to say thank you so much. You look lovely today, too. It's a really great outfit. Who chose that? You did? I did. Yeah. You did a great job. Thank you. There was a story you talked about finding someone had left a child. Someone put a baby in a trash can. And I preface this right away by saying the baby lived, the baby was fine. But that call came in for patrolmen. There was like a senior housing on our district. And there was a gentleman who lived there, an elderly man. And he had someone who used to come and clean his house for him. And he called 911 because he said someone just had a baby in his house and then left with it in a bag and it was crying.

45:17So the patrolman goes to the call, and he goes up and talks to him. The apartment is pristine. There's no sign of a baby being born. He said she was in the bathroom. He's like, nothing happened to you. Nobody had a baby in here. So he called, the officer called an ambulance for a psych eval, saying, is this guy, the old man, something's wrong, or he maybe has dementia, just wanted to check on and make sure he's okay. So as the ambulance is pulling up, again I have this on video that's how I remember the sequence the ambulance pulls up and pulls in there was like a horseshoe driveway and they pull in the driveway and just as they're doing that a girl is walking down the street maybe 50 60 feet away maybe a little more from the apartment and it's a very busy street in Dorchester it's Dorchester Ave and she's walking on the street and there's a wrought iron trash can in the street and she walks by and she hears something She thought it was like someone put puppies or something in the trash.

46:15She hears something crying. She sees the ambulance, goes running over and waves him down and says, I think there's a baby or something in the trash can. So the EMT comes walking down the street. You could tell he thinks she's full of shit by the way he's walking. There's no urgency. Everybody in this neighborhood is full of shit. There's no urgency to his gate. He's just like, okay, because they get inundated with calls. They are buried all day long. He's like, all right, we're here for this. but okay he goes walking over he goes in the typical haunted trash can in dorchester he goes in and you can see his reaction he picks it out and then it's crazy activity he puts it on the you could see this was all in the video but you can't see exactly you could see insane movement all of a sudden he's on the air and at the same time the officer was up in the house said like what's the etm my ambulance he never showed up and at the same time the girl had called 911 and said there's a baby crying in a trash can so this like is all kind of happening at once so then we all go flying up there when they're like yeah there's a baby we don't have a mother we don't know what's going on the the woman we spoke i spoke to the gentleman in the house he said it was his cleaning woman he had a different name for her that wasn't her real name because we're trying to track her down like is she bleeding out somewhere is she hurt does she need help it's like what is the story she just had a child maybe so he said she was in the bathroom for a couple hours he thought She had stomach problems.

47:39And then she asked him, do you have a pair of scissors? And then she asked him for a bag. And then, because I interviewed him, me and my partner, and he walks, he said she walked out of the bathroom and she had like a big tote bag with her, like her purse. And the baby was in the bag and he could hear her crying. He's like, what's that? Is that a baby crying? She's like, oh, this is nothing. Yeah. And then walked out the door. Crazy dump or whatever. So. That's crazy. Then on the video, you can see her walking down the street and there's people coming toward her. and there's a gentleman passing her just as she gets to the trash can.

48:09She waits for him and as he goes past, she looks around, pulls it out, goes right in the trash can. So turns out she had gone in there, had the baby. She was at her 30. She wasn't a kid. And she wasn't not mentally ill. She just didn't plan on keeping the baby. She had the baby. How alone, I do not know. And then cleaned the bathroom. That's why it was so pristine. When people think of women, like that's the power. I mean, women, it's just like, how she did that I do not know she sat in the tub and had a baby with no help women are powerful man and then to clean up the bathroom clean it up but she also is a cleaning lady I can understand you know that's why it was so nice yeah when the crime lab but also she I guess has to hide her I guess so yeah did you determine that she's mentally unwell no she was fine she just didn't want the baby did not want the baby but we don't know any of this at the time so all we have is a phone number she signed in on like the log at the senior house and she put a phone number down.

49:09And one of the patrolmen working at the scene, they blocked off the street. They were like helicopters overhead. This was like news. It was on the news. And one of the officers who was blocking the street, the traffic, we all get the phone number and he starts looking through reports because he's sitting there blocking the street. He starts looking through reports because we don't have the right name. That guy gave us the wrong name, like the wrong age. He said, she's a girl. She was in her thirties. To him, she was a girl because he's in his eighties. He's a pervert too. I'm not judging him. I don't know him.

49:37He said she's a good looking girl. So maybe you're right. The officer, the patrolman starts looking through reports and finds a phone number attached to a different name. So then we start looking for we find the driver's license. Like this, again, all took like over an hour because there's a lot going on and headquarters is calling and everybody's like, this is huge, you know. So this kid finds the kid's real woman's real name and phone number and they start pinging the phone. So it turned out after she put the baby in the can, walked down the street and got on the trolley, took the T back to like to Mattapan or the train station and then got on a train or a bus and went to her house in Milton.

50:13So we knew what her address was while she's in transit. We're following, they're following the ping and she's like moving through the city. And then my supervisor and a couple of detectives, at least one, met her at the house with an ambulance. So like this lady, we don't know what's going on with her. So they met her at the house and said like, Like, hey, you've got to go to the hospital. Are you okay? Like, what's going on? They went in the house. She had, like, rented a small in-law or something in the house. They said there were no baby items. It was a full-term baby. There was no crib. There was no diapers.

50:42There was nothing. So she did not plan on keeping this baby. She had no intentions of doing that. Obviously, she didn't have a single thing in the house. But they took her to the hospital. She was fine. They kept her in the hospital for a few days. But, I mean, she literally tied the bag in a knot. Like, she tried to kill the baby. and that girl walking by saved it because it was cold that day she saved that baby that's unbelievable it might never have been found like the city comes and dumps those trash cans that baby's gone the odds that the girl haven't been walking by and hear it and do they repartner that child and that mother well I think she tried to kill it so I don't know the homicide unit came and took the case why I don't know because you know the baby lived But it's obviously a biggie.

51:29So they ended up taking it. It took four, like four years to go through court. It was during COVID. I remember people wearing masks when it was on the news. But it took like four years to wind its way through court. No jail time. I'm like, that's attempted murder. She tried to kill that baby. There's nothing wrong with her. She wasn't a scared 16-year-old. You know what I mean? She was just, her defense attorney tried to say that it was cultural. I'm like, do people throw babies in trash cans in her culture? Was it a black or Asian Mexican girl? She was Haitian. She was from Haiti. Like, that's not cultural.

52:02Oh, shit, there she is. Mother allegedly abandoned, newborn, and trashed, and Dorchester charged with attempted murder. Yep, that's her. She didn't serve any time. No way. She got probation. Yeah, none of me weren't very happy with that. Well, yeah, because you just like the psychology of that person that's out in the world. How could they value life? Yeah, she doesn't. At least not that life. Yeah, and how could you probably value one of the most precious lives? I wonder if there was an extreme circumstance of how she had that child. We weren't told. We were in communication with the DA. They never told us other than it being cultural.

52:37We're like, what the fuck culture is that? That's not a culture anywhere. Yeah. Well, the media likes to make it easy. Yeah. But I think it took so long because court cases were just dragging on because nobody worked during COVID except us or whatever. Everyone just gets tired of it and wants to go away. I don't know. Crazy. Yeah, I mean, stuff like that's harrowing, you know. I don't know how you can, I don't think there's a way to shed that skin if you're a police officer or a detective. Even though it may seem superficial, like in some ways you can just move on and finish your day, there's got to be a part of you inside of you that stores a lot of that uncomfort and like illness.

53:20It's got to be. I'd say you learn how to deal with it. I dealt with things better years on, my job, than I did when I was new. you know, stuff that used to upset me. You have to. It's your brain safety mechanism so you don't lose your goddamn mind. You know what I mean? You learn how to, that's why cops laugh at murder scenes. Like it's tension release. We're not laughing at a murder scene. Like people are trying to talk and say, okay, everything's normal here. You know what I mean? Like his brain's on the street and you're like, so, you know, what are you going to get for lunch later? Like we have to do something to distract your brain and you get better at it.

53:54yeah that's uh this this officer that we had in um who came in was talking about he worked in los angeles and he talked about this one story where he had a mother had called her son was going to commit suicide she was worried and and he gets there and the mother comes out to greet him tell him what's going on my son's inside while they're outside talking the son kind of steps into the doorway behind a screen door kind of and takes his own life with a shotgun oh shit shotgun's messy man. So then there's now he's standing out here with the mother. So he has to console the mother at the same time and now go approach this situation.

54:29Right. So you you have to do many like you're like, oh shit, I just saw someone blow their head off with the shotgun and the mother screaming and on the ground, I'm sure. But yet it's still like not a crime scene, but it's an active situation. It's an active scene. You have to lock it down. And there's a lot. There's a lot. It's they're chaotic, you know, and if you're especially if you're alone, it's only one or two and there's a lot going on. They're very chaotic. Yeah, I can't even imagine how things go from seeming real and normal to absolutely surreal. Like in a moment, almost like you're in a movie or a video game.

55:00I remember he said he walked into the, he had to push, the door wouldn't open all the way because the body was right there. The body's too heavy. Yeah, you have to push him out of the way. So he's pushing this and then he steps inside and part of the brain matter had hit the ceiling and it fell down the back of his shirt. Oh, I think this was a Vegas guy. This was the Vegas sergeant. I think I saw that on your podcast. Well, I think Brad, he may have done, he may have been in Vegas for a bit. He may have been in LA, I believe. But, um, but he, but just. It's gross. Like I've stepped in that. Like, well, like how do you, like you said, how do you.

55:27Really? Oh no, it wasn't him. That was Chris Curtis. Yeah. This other guy was Brad White, but just fascinating, fascinating story. But just here, like, I don't think nobody else goes to work and has this horror movie that can happen once, once in a while. Please, EMTs, fire. That's kind of it. Yeah. Yeah. college football fans deserve the sonic smasher made with two hand smashed angus beef patties melty cheese and smasher sauce and for a limited time when you order one delicious sonic smasher in the sonic app you get a free large drink oh that's pretty much the burger equivalent of signing a five-star receiver and landing a superstar QB in the transfer portal in the same off-season.

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58:00To learn more about Valor Recovery, please visit them at www.valorrecoverycoaching.com or email them at admin at valorrecoverycoaching .com. Thank you. How much does the DA, you mentioned having a DA, what is that like? do police work better under certain mayoral and district attorney? Yes. Leadership. Yeah, they do. What's that whole relationship like? Like, break it down for me what that's like. Well, it, you know, obviously things are very politically charged right now, more so than they've been in the past, I think, in my experience. So it depends on if your mayor is supportive or not. Historically, I mean, I had several mayors on in 31 years as a police officer and some are more supportive than others.

58:52and some DAs get elected that are just like, oh, we're not going to make vandalism is no longer a crime. Larceny is no longer a crime. Shoff lifting is no longer a crime. Well, the people in the stores are still calling us when someone's stealing$10 ,000 worth of shit, but the DA is like not prosecuting. So now that's why shit's locked up in all these stores. It's the DAs that were like, you know, whether it's the Soros DAs or whoever the fuck they are that got elected that are softer on crime or whatever. That's your job as a district attorney to prosecute crimes. and those are state laws on the books.

59:23So if those laws are still on the books, then why aren't you prosecuting it? So that's why shit is locked up in CVS because people can indiscriminately steal all over the country. They're not getting prosecuted. We had one guy, it was him and his brother doing it. They were like two-man wrecking team. Every CVS and Walmart, Walgreens, we added up just like one kid in one month. It was like$30 ,000 worth of shit he stole. Now, how is Target or CVS recouping that? They're not. That's gone. but the DA is on to it doesn't care. So if you have a, like right now, there's a good DA in Boston, I think, and he's doing more to make, you know, working with the officers as a team.

1:00:03Like we're on the same team here. We're just trying to prosecute criminals and help victims. And if, you know, the DA is not supportive of that, like what about all those victims whose houses are getting broken into or their property's vandalized? And the DA is like, yeah, we're not going to prosecute that crime anymore. What about the people who shit's getting stolen and ruined or whatever? Like, don't you care about them? Right. And don't you care about how they feel then about their city and about their country? Yeah. And then you guys are the ones that have to deal with it on the street level.

1:00:30Oh, everyone hates us. They take it out on you. But still, if someone hates the mayor, they take it out on the police. You know what I'm saying? It's like, and you guys kind of can't probably speak up on it sometimes because you're in a position where you're working under that regime. Yeah, I think about that about the border too sometimes with like people illegally coming across the border. And then people can have whatever thoughts they want about people coming over, right? I think everybody needs to be legally documented that's here however they figure that out. But the people whose opinion matters most to me are the people who live, right?

1:01:03What about the guy right there? What about the border town? Who's trying to put his kids to sleep at night and they want to be able to feel safe just because they bought a house somewhere. Yeah. that there's not people running through their neighborhoods, whether those people have good intentions or bad, but just with the fear that it puts in their families. Yes, exactly. It's all quality of life stuff. It's all quality of life issues, and they don't seem to get that because it doesn't bother them if they're living in some, you know, multimillion-dollar house somewhere of a nicer part of the city or state.

1:01:33It's not happening around them. Like you said, the people in the border towns, they don't have a choice. Yeah, especially if there's any few, what about the guy who's worked at CVS for 20 years and he loves it, right? And he loves seeing people come in and he loves like that's something he knows some of the older people. He's watched them get older and come in and get their medicine. He's watched one of them lose their spouse over the years and now they come in alone. But he's like a smile in their life once in a while when they come in. And now he has to be a deterrent to crime. Yeah, they come in with trash bags.

1:02:04Yeah, oh, it's unbelievable. And literally just clear the shop. They go and sell all their stolen shit at like the smaller bodegas and convenience stores. So when they steal all the detergent and, you know, all that, they steal, and baby formula, that's been locked up for years. They go and sell it someplace else. And the bodegas is buying it off them. They know it's stolen shit. So they're a fault too. Yeah. But like I said, the employee, what about him? Like he doesn't want to do that when he goes to work. No. He's not a cop. He doesn't want to do that. He's not a cop. Yeah. He doesn't want to chase people.

1:02:32Yeah. That's the thing. They've made it so that almost every person has to feel like a cop. And then also that every person, that there's not a lot of support out there. And that's a sick thing. And our government does that from the top down. And I believe that there is a reason they do that. They want to erode a sense of community and they want to erode a sense of normalcy. And they're doing it. Who's the mayor that they have now over there that's been supportive, do you feel like, Kara? We haven't had a supportive mayor. That's the DA, Kevin Hayden. He's supportive. Our mayor, I don't. Kay Hayden, boy out of Newton, huh?

1:03:07What's Newton like? Is it good over there? Newton's a very, very nice city outside. It's a different city than Boston. Down in Newton over there. I definitely caught some... Newton's high end. Newton is? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's big money to live in Newton. Fig Newton, they call it, huh? It was big money to live there. Oh, God, look at that. A bunch of people probably have. He's from there. He lives in the city now. He's Suffolk County. He's not attached to the city. He's Suffolk County. But our prior DA was atrocious. I bet every kid over there has a signed Tom Brady football law. That's that kind of place.

1:03:43He lived in Chestnut Hill, which is part of Brookline and Newton. It's like all sandwiched right in that neighborhood there. He lived in Chestnut Hill. Yeah, I bet all those kids have that, dude. Yeah, how has the DA support been over the years? So this is a district attorney now? Yeah, he's good. Was he during your term? He was there when I retired, yeah. He was appointed by Charlie Baker, preceded by Rachel Rollins. Yeah, thumbs down on her. Oh, she was another district attorney? Yeah. And now, so she... She became a U.S. attorney under Biden, and then she was, I believe, fired from U.S. attorney with some ethics violation or some such.

1:04:21Oh, Biden would hire anybody who's asleep. You fucking dude. He was fucking, yeah, he would hire Fred Flintstone to fucking sing him to bed at night. Someone on his staff thought she was a good fit. Oh, I'm sorry. She resigned before she was canned. Rachel Wallens was not formally fired, but resigned from a position in May 2023 following multiple ethics investigations. And yeah, and I don't know exactly what happened here, but what's it like from one DA to it? Like, how can a DA affect - Well, she's the one who decided we weren't going to prosecute larcenies, shoplifting, vandalism, the minor crimes.

1:04:52And she used to say those aren't, right, those aren't, I forget what verbiage was used. It was like they're not victimless crime, but they're trying to say that. No, they're not. Even if it's CVS or Target, a big corporation, they're still losing millions of dollars. It's totally victim. It was her. She was one of the ones that was not supportive. And do you think it's a DA in that space? Do you think she's making her own choices or do you think that's coming down from a higher? Allegedly, do you think it's coming down? Because it just seems crazy to say we're not going to prosecute crime. How do you do that?

1:05:23It's a state law. How do you decide what you're... During her campaign, Rollins pledged to decriminalize certain offenses such as shoplifting, drug possession, wanton, oh, wanton or malicious destruction. Wanton and malicious, yeah. Or property. Drug possession was intended to distribute. What? Yeah, it's crazy. That's why Mass and Cast, you've heard of the part of Boston, I don't know if you've heard of the part of Boston called Mass and Cast. It is a disaster down there. There's drug addicts everywhere. They're all over the streets. They're destroying property. There's needles all over the city.

1:05:53in South End and that area. It was focused there, and now they've tried to kind of break it up the last few years because it was insane. And now they've pushed it out. Yeah, there was 10 cities down there. Look at this shit. Yeah, and look, and some people say this is just a build. They have safe shoot-up zones there. They're letting them shoot up heroin in safe places. Oh, yeah. So now the needles are all over the South End, and the poor people in the South End, they pay a lot of money to live there. These are beautiful brownstones, and now there's people shitting in their front yards, throwing needles everywhere, breaking.

1:06:26Say one guy was breaking into the house while people was under construction, second floor. This was just a few weeks ago. And there's a guy's family's there with his kids and they had like an old key or something and they were breaking in and going to like shit in the floor on the second floor that was under construction. He went up and there's like a pile of human shit in his house. He's like, what is going on? They put up cameras. The guy was going in and out every night to like sleep on the floor in this house under construction and then shit on the floor. It's like the emoji or whatever. Yeah, like what is wrong with you?

1:06:54What? So that part of the city, I feel bad for people who live down there. That's Atkinson Street. Yeah. Where is it? It's Atkinson Street. It's near the jail. Yeah. Well, look, a lot of people say this is just a Bill's tailgate or something over here. I'm not saying that. Some people say this is a Pinto tailgate. I'm not saying that. What we're saying is that this is a lot of drug use that's happening over there in this town in Boston. Yeah. But here's another thing, though. They have this everywhere now. Oh, it's everywhere. Every city has this. Every democratically run city, I think. Yeah. But it could be run.

1:07:28Well, we don't have one here. I know that. I hope not anyway. I don't know. Austin got ruined. Austin did. Austin was a blast. And I took my daughter there several years. I had been there 10 years ago. And I was like, this is the coolest place. Reminds me of here a little bit, like 6S, 6 Street, where all the bars used to be. Oh, yeah. And then I went back a few years later because my daughter's way into music. I wanted to take her. And she was afraid to get out of the car. There were homeless people sleeping in hammocks strung from street signs in the street, and it was just rampant. Before they – like if you're homeless, you got arrested there, which isn't the best thing, but you've got to do something.

1:07:59They're like throwing bricks through all the windows that have been there a long time. Austin got ruined. Seattle's a shithole. Portland. Yeah. Portland is – I don't have to sneeze, but Portland is a shithole, but also it's awesome. I will say this. Yeah. I was up there when I do landscape photography as a hobby or used to, and I went up to Oregon and Washington. and it's the coolest place. Like it's such a cool vibe, you know? But yeah, I do think that element that's out there, it's like, why are we, it's like - I don't know their end game. Like what is the point of ruining all these cities? I think they want us to deteriorate.

1:08:34They want us to have no sense of purpose, right? They want us to like not have any pride in the places where we are because they've been so riddled. They get people addicted. The opioid epidemic was put on America and was allowed to occur, right? It wasn't like that when I was young. No, they want this to happen. It's no doubt to me that this is an organized agenda. Yeah, I don't get it. But I believe that people can fight back, and I believe that— I think it started a little bit. I think so, and I hope so. And also, it gives you a sense of purpose in the world. It's like you're here to defeat evil, you know?

1:09:07And we all can be a part of that, and I think it's something that makes us feel that way. Let's pivot a little. You ended up in the—oh, quick question. Did you ever see Irish Mickey Ward? Did you ever run across him when you were running around over there? Did you ever hear about him or anything? Oh, yeah. He's a boxer. Yeah. Yeah, I never ran across him. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, I was just watching The Fighter the other day. That's about him, right? About him, yeah. Wasn't he in it? Didn't he play the coach or some shit? Or something? No. I thought they gave him a part. He was in it at the end.

1:09:37Okay. Christian Bale, Mark Wahlberg. That's when he got all skinny for it, yeah. Such a great movie. And all the sisters and stuff. But they did such a great job in that film. I got to go to watch Lainey Wilson last night. Oh, that's right. The concert. How was it? I should have got y 'all tickets. I didn't even know we're here. Oh, no. Goodness. That's okay. It was so great. It was so great. Jelly Roll was there. So I got to see him. Ella Langley. I got to meet her. She has a beautiful voice. It was just great. It was like a special time. Nice. Yeah. And Lainey's just a boss. She's just turned into like a.

1:10:14some people start to step into whatever gift they were given in the world and some people kind of meander around the outside of it i think and and no way is is like a vic is better than the other really i think it's all by person but she has just really embraced this role of just being like this on stage presence yeah it was really powerful to watch she does a great job um pivoting anyway right? That's, uh, you ended up in the human trafficking unit. Yeah. So I was a safe term or how does that work? So I was in a district detective at Dorchester and then I went for several years, like five years or so to the human trafficking unit.

1:10:53And then I went back to Dorchester, but yes, I had a five year stint in the human trafficking unit as a detective. So what, what is your definition of human trafficking? Let's just get that clear. Cause you hear so much, right? Like a few years ago, you would hear this social kickball that was big. This was big four years ago and everybody notices it's gone now, right? notice how the kickballs fly it's like oh that's the big thing everybody's commenting on it online and now it's gone right it's really out of the zeitgeist I know it's still there's still things happening but notice how that happens right and everybody's like you'd see memes online it's like tonight while you sleep one and a half million children will be taken on trains across America being human trafficked and you're like what in the shit dude so what did you really see what were you expecting when you got into that space so I didn't know like everybody else I didn't really know what that meant.

1:11:39I just, you know, I knew someone asked me to, if I wanted to join the unit and, you know, I didn't know a lot about it. I thought it was just like the movies, like, you know, people being snatched off the street and forced into, to be prostitutes. In my experience, at least when I did it, that was not the case. So I guess human trafficking is like when someone's trafficked for the purpose of to sell sex, right, against their will through, you know, coercion or force or threats or whatever. But when I got there, a lot of the cases we had, it's funny, there were just several pimps that kind of ran the city that were involved.

1:12:16You always came back to the same like six or seven guys who always had all these different women working for them. And it was always girls, not always, I shouldn't say that. Mostly it was girls from the neighborhood or just outside the city, like the suburbs or whatever, and something in their life like was fucked up whether it was you know a parent situation where they had one parent or they'd been like sexually abused as kids themselves or there was like a dcf which is department of children and families like there were foster kids it was always kind of something missing it could just be they weren't getting attention at home or they weren't happy and the pimps a lot of them could be very charming and they would meet these girls they just meet them in the street go to the train station they hang at the t at the t in boston or i one girl was a guy said to walk and talking to when she's walking down the street and like oh you're pretty you want to be in a music video and she's like she's like a teenage girl yeah that'd be cool and she went like they shot the video and then like say like we have to finish the video and then they like make her go to another state and like like oh we're going to take pictures of you and put you online and and you're going to you know have sex with these guys for money they don't get any of the money the pimps get all the money um so that was a situation where it was kind of she was not a lot she was not willing like that was kind of a quick one like over a week or two but a lot of them they groom the girls for a long time they oh you don't have any money i'll give you some money i'll take you to get your nails done honey i had one guy i literally had text messages for like a month's worth and you could see him grooming her um she worked in a store i think her dad her mother was head was deceased and her dad now wanted to be a woman and it was like fucking with her head and he's like changed his name to susan or something and she met this guy working in a store and he was like he's like oh you're working today honey I'll bring you a tuna sandwich and I don't want you hungry and it was you could see it was like you know this progression of a relationship and like a month later she was like oh that's my boyfriend a lot of things this pimp's their boyfriend and like a month later you could see the messages he's like all right we have seven guys coming in and um you know you're gonna do all seven of them at a party there's like a bachelor party or some shit and then she's like can I keep you know a hundred bucks for the piggy bank and he's like no it's all mine it was like a thousand dollars so it's like they see something missing in their lives and they just manipulate them or they're like they're a little messed up to begin with they're like they're in a bad situation they don't know how to get out of it they think these guys are boyfriend you'll do this if you love me kind of shit so that was a lot of the sex trafficking you saw huh yeah that's what that was in my experience yes there wasn't a lot of people being snatched off the street like no one's being shipped in in a shipping container from russia and All these girls getting, you know, the nail salon, the spas are a little bit different.

1:14:52The Asian women, they were moving them around. Yeah, that's more like Jackie, Jackie. But those were tough because the second we try to like go in and - They move. They're gone. They're gone to New York, New Jersey. Just pick up the pain roll. They're gone. They don't know their names. There's like how many different dialects have been - Can't pronounce the name. Chinese. And you're trying to get our Chinese officers, hey, can you translate this? And they're like, it's a different dialect. Like it was a disaster. So those were tough. Yeah, you don't even know. You're like, we're looking for a...

1:15:22So we did those. Yeah, that's crazy. That kind of shit's wild. And I don't like those kind of places. I'll say that. I walk into one of those salons or whatever. I say, if anybody jerks me off, I'm jerking them off. That's what I tell them. No homo either. I'm just saying. But you know what I'm saying? I put the pressure on everybody in the building. Just so everyone knows what you're going into when you get in there. Don't even jerk me off. If somebody tries to even sneak up on me and jerk me off. Some of these girls would sleep in there. They would sleep on the beds at night when it closed. And then they wake up and jerk you off.

1:15:48That's a problem. But one of them had, we went in one of those sinks. There were baby turtles in the sink filled with water swimming around. I'm like, what the fuck is that? They like the animalia in there. They love aqua animals. A lot of aquariums. I don't know if they were going to make soup out of it. I don't know what the hell they were doing. That's true. I don't know what they were doing with those things. We're like, what the fuck? I don't know. You know? And we also did party human trafficking and we did what we call John Stings. We target the sex buyer rather than, that's kind of a, it was a European model that they found to be more effective rather than cops used to arrest the prostitute.

1:16:18Well, what about the guy paying for it? Of course, yeah. So then you target that angle of it. Like we're going to tell you, if you don't have buyers, then no one's going to be selling it. They try to do it kind of backwards that way. So we would do what we call John Stings, and we'd put ads online. Backpage doesn't exist anymore, but we'd put them on that. It was Craigslist first, and then it was Backpage. I don't know how they're doing it now, whether it's on Insta or TikTok. I don't know where the hell they're doing it now. I've been out of the unit for about six years now. You'd have parties and people would find people on Backpage and invite them over.

1:16:49Yeah. They would hire strippers and stuff like that to come and dance or hang out. So it was definitely a place where people were kind of eliciting illegal activities. Oh, yeah, that was there. Yeah. When you put an ad in, you could pay extra to bump it at the top. So it was so prevalent when we were doing it. We'd put an ad in the morning. Say I put my ad on. Three or four of us in the office would do fake ads. And you'd have to do real photos because the guys who were doing it all the time like we'll do reverse Google image search to find out did this picture appear someplace else so they know if it's a fake photo because then maybe you're a cop or you're not going to look like who you're pretending you look like.

1:17:22So we'd all put our ads up and then you put on at 8, at 8.30 your phone's ringing. It's crazy. 8.30 in the morning they're already starting to call and we'd set up our dates for the day like we'd have a hotel room and we'd be waiting in the hotel room and we'd have dates set up every half an hour to show up. And were you hiding under the bed? No, no one's hiding under the bed. I would have to open the door and there'd be like guys like in the bathroom, officers in the bathroom behind the wall. So my trick was, I was at like 45, 46 when I was doing it and my Adam's supposed to be 34. I didn't fucking look 34, but I opened the door, I'd have like my hair.

1:17:54Oh, you would be the girl? Oh, I was a prostitute, yeah. What? Yeah. What? So I'd have to talk to them on the phone. Were y 'all understaffed or something? They just shouldn't have you, also the detective. Well, no, you have to have, you're the one establishing probable cause. So if someone else is doing it and then you have to like go testify in court. Well, you're not the one that had the interaction with them. So what we do, we put our ad online. You'd put your photos and some stupid saying like, you know, what you're offering and how much it costs. And of course, it's acronyms for everything.

1:18:24That's what I didn't know anything about this before I started about GFE, which is girlfriend experience, which means he'll kiss you. Full service means like sex and a blow job. And then there's like Russian and Greek and there's all these stupid acronyms for everything else. and they thought they were being clever by saying, oh, I want GFE. So they're not asking for sex. Oh, I see. So by them saying, I want GFE or I want Russian or I want this, they think they're being clever, except you can say like, well, based on my training experience, I know Russian means titty job, like, or whatever. And then so they call you on the phone.

1:18:58Titty job. Yeah, that's a Russian, by the way. I didn't know that. I'll take it. I mean, whatever they're getting. You know what I mean? It is. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's okay. So you'd basically talk to them on the phone. They'd call you. And some of them were real nervous, obviously. You could tell the long-timers they got right to business. And some of them wanted to flirt with you on the phone or whatever. Can you send pictures of your eyes or your feet? The foot fetish guys are out there big time. And then you're like, the more you do it, I'm like, I don't have time for this shit. Like, do you want to come?

1:19:23Are we showing up or not? So you'd basically make the arrangement. So once they showed up, you already have probable cause. They already agreed to pay you for sex before they ever showed up. so then by them showing up at the hotel they're like basically completing the entire the elements of the crime they showed up, they already agreed to pay you for such and such so then you can arrest them right when they get there really but like depending where we do it if we did it like nights or downtown parts of the high end hotels would let us use their rooms oh yeah, I don't have to do anything in there every time we did it we got a doctor every fucking time the Brigham Hospital, one of the best hospitals in the world allegedly, the Beth Israel One guy showed up in scrubs with Beth Israel Hospital on it.

1:20:05Like, what the fuck? You on lunch break? It was crazy. We got a doctor every time. Why, you think? I don't know. Too busy? Too busy to get a girlfriend? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I wonder what that is. It's just interesting. We always got in. And when we did it in the not-so-nice parts of town, then we'd get the cable guys and the plasterers. For some reason, I always felt bad for them. They don't have any money, but it's the same crime. So I shouldn't have felt bad for them. They were just, you know, but I did. The rich guys, because they've got very arrogant when you try to arrest them.

1:20:40They were all arrogant. We had one guy who's a Northeastern University professor. And he was on the phone with me saying, I'm a professor. And he was trying to talk me down on my prices. I don't make a lot of money. That's what I would do. I would text him. I'd be like, look, how about this? $70. Some lady's coming over for$70. I'm like, Jesus. and now I'm like I was just like I would he was bargaining with me I don't make a lot of money meanwhile I made more money than me yeah but he I always laugh he wanted me he's like will you put me in yoga positions that's what he wanted he's fucking freaks I'm like yeah I got my lulus on come on over like you just he wanted to be in yoga positions me to put them in them and then aggressive kissing and when you get some weird requests or anything like that yeah like look anything pretty wild like were they any like people want you to enjoy them and their wife like join something like that No, nothing.

1:21:27We never got those. We got a lot. Almost everybody was married. One of them we did. We met him in a bar. He said it was the end of the night. He was too nervous to come to a hotel. He said he'd never done this before or whatever. So we agreed to meet him downstairs. The hotel had a bar downstairs. And I was just sitting there. And now, again, I'm supposed to be 34. And even 10 years ago, I didn't look 34. I think you look great. I don't fucking look 34, but thank you. But so I'm sitting at the bar waiting. And the signal is for me to touch my hair. And there's two cops down the end of the bar.

1:21:55And he comes in. And I see him walk past. He comes in. Now, the bar is crowded. I see this guy walk in. I said, that's him. I knew it was him. You could tell like his face was, he wasn't like, hey, I just got to a bar and he's all chilled. He was like intense. Scared. And he walked right past me and went to the men's room. I looked at him like, that's him. He's got his fucking Burberry scarf on and his, you know,$400 jacket. Yeah. And he came over and approached me. A librarian son. He tapped me and said, oh, my name or whatever. And then when they came up to arrest him, he fainted. we had so many guys faint or like clacks on the bed.

1:22:27His face, he was white as a ghost and he just went down. So the officers like drag him out to the vestibule of the bar. We're like, we got to call this guy an ambulance. But he snapped to it and he's crying and shit. And he's like, he's like 30 years old. And like, dude, he's like, I'm so anxious all the time. I'm trying to get my wife pregnant. I was like, you think you're going to get her pregnant by fucking a prostitute? Like, what is wrong with you? I mean, it's worth a shot. I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying. You go fuck a stranger and they, none of them, nobody wants to use a condom.

1:22:56That was bareback. That was another code. Oh, they were doing barebacks. Yeah, that was a code. B-B-B-J is bareback. Bareback blood. So they, they didn't want to. Oh, there you go. Here you go, bareback sex without condom. Yeah. B-B-B-J. And they'll ask you how much extra, like how much will you charge me for bareback? So none of them wanted to use a condom. So they're all going home to their families after fucking some rando who's having sex with five people that day. Yeah. Like how many diseases? Not to mention, what township is it in? This is Boston. Yeah, oh yeah. So this guy's bringing the, oh, I'm trying to get my wife pregnant.

1:23:26What are you bringing home? Yeah. Bottom bitch. That's the pimp's main girl. She's the one who runs it for him. Really? I see that in the terminology, yeah. Let's see some more terms here. The in call, the escorts. That's only B, see? They go on forever. Huh. Yeah. And were people ever asked, so I'm trying to think of anything, were people ever asking for like golden showers, urination type of thing? I never had, I never got asked for those. One thing they asked me for, the guy's like, will you do a handy? And I was like, is that a quick hand job? Like I had no idea what the fuck it was. And my partner at the time is like Googling on the Urban Dictionary, like, what's that?

1:24:03And it was some crazy thing about choking and she's on top and then you flip and he's on. I was like, how the fuck do they come up with these names? Like, what does that even mean? That's all that Cirque du Soleil shit people are doing now. It's crazy. Like, how is that a handy? Because I was like, is that a, like, what is that? That's all that welterweight stuff, I think. I don't know what it is. What about, was there a lot of stuff like people want you to touch the hole in their butt or anything like that? Like any weird stuff like that? No, they never got that specific on the phone. But they would ask for anal.

1:24:28That was Greek. They were like, one of them, their clever way, they're like, ooh, do you speak any languages? So then I'm supposed to say, yeah, I speak Greek and Russian. That's what I mean. They think they're clever. They have all these weird online forums where they talk about the prostitutes. They rate them. I forget what the page they used to rate them on. So that's why we had to change up our photos and use real stuff. Because these guys all talk to each other. The guys that do it all the time. Not the one-timers. The lifers. Yes, or dabblers like yourself. Dabblers, yeah. In and out. In and out.

1:24:58In and out of the system. Yeah, they talk to each other and rate the girls. It's crazy. It's a crazy life. And when would a night like that for you guys end? Like, was there a certain point where you guys could shut it down? Yeah, we'd kind of call it. So, like, the calls would start coming in the morning, and we'd have, you know, hire overtime to transport all, because they'd be showing up. Sometimes they'd show up at the same time, like, oh, shit, and they'd come into the same room. So we'd try to stagger the dates. Dates. And we'd have them schedule the area hour, every half hour, whatever.

1:25:21And after like eight or 10 hours, the boss would call it. We always did it Super Bowl weekend. It was Cook County in Illinois did a big funding thing for it. They got money from the feds and they all kind of agreed to do it. So at certain times of year, Super Bowl is always when we did it. So we'd call it a night after like eight to eight, after we arrested like 12, 14 people or whatever. She'd be like, all right, that's enough. So on Super Bowl weekend, you guys are, so on most Super Bowl weekends, you guys are doing that? We were when we were in the human trafficking unit. Yeah. But we got one guy.

1:25:51I was talking to him on the phone. I'm like, this guy is so fucking old. Now, I'm laughing. I was very shy about it when I first started doing it. But I don't know who the hell. I'm not a prostitute. I don't talk to these people. So I'd be all anxious, like, hiding in the bathroom. So there's just eight cops in there. I don't want them listening to me like, yeah, you can stick in my ass for an extra 50. Like, I was embarrassed. And then I got more comfortable. And they would just be laughing. Like, I'd just be like, yeah, this is what you want. Okay. And everybody's laughing. One guy. I can't come on my forearms or whatever for 30 bucks.

1:26:18This guy sounded so old. And he's like, you got to, you know, yeah, you know, I'm an older gentleman. And I remember saying, that's all right. I'll take it easy on you. And then he shows up. He's like shorter than me. Turns out he's like multimillionaire philanthropist from Beacon Hill on the boards of like Children's Hospital and all this crazy. He laughed. He burst out laughing when he got arrested. He was a tiny little guy with glasses. He laughed. Everyone else shits himself or gets angry. But he laughed. He's the only one. He didn't give a shit. He's like, yeah, I'll pay the fine. I don't care.

1:26:46Just get my phone back. We take all their phones. And I remember I was doing a detail at Fenway Park. And he was in contact. He's like, I paid my fine. Can I get my phone back? Because we take their phones as evidence. We have to show their text messages or whatever. And if they plead, pay the fine or plead out, they get their property back because the case is done. But if they're fighting it, then we keep the evidence because we have to, you know, do a search warrant on the phone and all this stuff. He's like, yeah, I paid my fine. He literally showed up at the red. I'm like, I'm working in detail.

1:27:13Like, you can come and get it. so I was in uniform that day because normally I'm not in uniform and he showed up and he's laughing in the car I'm like here's your phone I'm like what's the matter with you like why don't you got we got money go get a girlfriend he's like ah it's not worth the trouble I was like alright have a good day he did not give a shit wow yeah gosh dude did you ever just like accidentally just hook up with one of them like did that ever happen no no that didn't happen like did one ever show up and you're like Like, oh, this guy's kind of cute. I wish it wasn't like this. No, I never thought I wish it wasn't like this.

1:27:48But some of them weren't, you know, that's what we say. Some of them are good looking. You're like, go get it. What's wrong with you? Like, you're good looking. We used to say, like, you're a good looking dude. You can get a girlfriend. Some of them are like fucking grotesque. Like, you could see why they're paying for it. Like I said, the doctors don't have time. Maybe, I don't know. They don't want the commitment. But some of them would be good looking dudes. Like, what's wrong with you? I think for some guys, their sexual experience, especially if it starts off with pornography, a lot of times is really skewed.

1:28:13Well, that's an issue now. They don't know what's real life. Right, but then it's safe. Like, you know, if it starts off with pornography, it's very skewed, right? Because this is an environment that's kind of like you can get exactly what you want out of pornography. You can just put the terms in, you get what you want, and that's your intimacy. So that's how you build it, right? So then it almost makes, it doesn't, it's not right. It doesn't make anything right or anything like that. And some people will agree, you know, like prostitution is one of the oldest businesses in the universe. Right.

1:28:43It's always been there. Um, but some people, they, the next, the closest way they can get somebody is almost just trying to create the same thing, but in real life. Right. So like I need to create the same thing where it's like, I can kind of get what I would like. Yeah. Um, these are my Google terms. These are the things that I like and I'm going to pay for that. They don't want to waste time. Maybe. I don't know. Oh, I think some people for sure it's time. It's like, I don't want to have a big relationship. I just want to have some sex. I don't want to take someone out to dinner every, you know, that that goes on and I don't look down upon any of it.

1:29:12I just think it's, it's, it's interesting that, you know, but yeah, the laws are the laws in those. And that's just what your experience was like. Yeah. So what I learned, like I, you know, it's like, Hey, if a girl wants to do it, but in reality, I think 99 % of the time they're not making a dime. So they're doing it all in the pimps, taking all the money. So that's why I was like, well, that sucks. Like we, I had like one girl who was like, no, there's so much I make. And she does what's something called sissy play. And I was like, what's guys who like want not want to get hurt, but close to not like say to masochism or whatever.

1:29:42But she made a lot of money. She's like, I make, you know,$500 an hour or whatever. I was like, shit. I mean, my partner would be like, we need a new job when we retire. Like, what the hell? I know a dude like that. She kept her own money. But literally out of everyone else I ever met, they didn't they didn't keep it. They had to hand it over. So guys think when we tried to do it as like an education thing, we tell the guys when we arrest them like we're not doing this to her because they're always like don't tell my wife like everyone would panic for sure say look at which it's kind of was supposedly at the time like an education thing we're trying to make you aware these girls you think if you you're doing something and you're paying for the service they're giving you the service and everyone leaves happy but the girls weren't getting the money they were getting the shit kicked out of them half the time oh that's heartbreaking so oh yeah happy stuff i hate it telling people i work there because it was like a conversation killer like you'd see people's shoulders just droop you're like oh you work at the human shop you know like oh so you know well i'm sure nothing good there nothing good happening there well it's just interesting how perverse like sexuality can get and the things that cause it in our world you know it's another thing why they even allow pornography to exist like um i don't know if we need it like as readily available as it is we had a woman come on named uh lila mckelwaite and she was telling us that a lot of the pornography you see online it's uh non-consensual right and so a lot of times you could have somebody basically masturbating or watching and enjoying a crime and they don't even know it.

1:31:07So just the whole circle of it all is kind of depraved. It's the same thing. But then I have friends that do sex work and they work for themselves and they're masterful at it. Fair enough. If they're working for themselves and they want to do that and they're making the money, that is victimless. Yeah. And I think people may have issues with people on both sides of the transaction probably have some issues and may or may not. It could be different. But anyway, yeah, that would just be. But yeah, some people are in a weird stuff. I had a buddy. He would hire a woman just to tickle him until he shit himself.

1:31:41Oh, fuck. This is some weird shit out there. There's a lot of fetishes, man. That's what I found out. I started putting my feet in the photos because I was like, I got to get the foot fetish guy. Yeah, yeah. Because people want some. Like the guy wanted me to put him in yoga positions. How does that do it for you? Yeah. It's bizarre. Like you said, the guy wanted to tickle until he shit. Yeah. That's a really specific wish. Oh, if you tickle me. Like, how do you get there? Yeah. How do you get there? And like, were you tickled as a kid? And we're like, oh no, I'm going to shit myself. And then as an adult, that's what does it for you?

1:32:09Probably. I don't know where you watch a funny movie and then you have to pee. Like maybe, I don't know. I don't know how you start. I don't know how you get there. But yeah, if somebody tickled me to last shit, I would be upset. Right? I think overall. I think most would. Did you ever feel like you had to be like a protector for these women? Or did a lot of them feel like they were in their own space and that's what they wanted and it's not something you can really help with? like a lot of the women that were in sex work. It was a lot of, I feel like you're just banging a head off the wall going nowhere.

1:32:33You help somebody, you get them away from somebody, you get them into it's like a safe home. Like there was a woman who ran a non-profit, a place to put these people, get them some clothes. Like a lot of them, they'd steal their shoes and their IDs and their phones or whatever so they couldn't run away. So you find them a place to stay and get them Target gift cards so they can go buy like a toothbrush and some soap and then like in the middle of the night they jump out the fucking window. So like you do, you're like getting called out of your house at 10 o 'clock at night to go help somebody and then they're like oh well she's gone and so many of them ended that way or they just disappeared they wouldn't testify against them so the cases went nowhere so it was a little frustrating yeah i think it's people you can't help people till they are ready for some help exactly yeah did what about any was there any gay active was there any gay pimps out there was that that kind of thing i don't know a guy ever lie and say like when you busted him like if like say you set him up with a female prostitute and he just like he was like I'm gay I'm just joking you know happy Halloween or whatever no they never tried that I mean the jig's up as soon as they show up most of them knew it they like fall on the bed a couple of them cry like really yeah but no none of them no one ever tried to show the gay card and be like it wasn't me I'm just here for fun yeah I'm just joking just fucking with you yeah dude you had a you had an investigation you had a three year investigation that you worked on yeah that was a human trafficking case that I did with someone from Homeland Security Investigations okay and what was that like take me through some of that story you had a three year investigation that actually started with the one I told you the girl the music video okay that's how it started and we got a call to Children's Hospital in Boston saying this girl there said she was raped in Rhode Island And I think she was 15, maybe, or 16.

1:34:22That's how that case started. And then we found out all she had was a nickname. It wasn't even a guy's real name. She had, like, his Facebook page and a nickname. Like Smokey or something? Yeah. I don't want to say it. Okay. Sorry. Never mind. No, the guy, yeah. I was just guessing if it was Smokey. No, it wasn't Smokey. Okay. So all she has a nickname, and we kind of worked backwards from that. Like, one of the Homeland Security agents drove the girl. She's like, oh, this woman drove me to Rhode Island, but she wasn't involved, but she drove me. And this is where she lived. She lived in this neighborhood.

1:34:53That's where I had to meet her. So the Homeland Security guys started driving around, and we saw the car in the neighborhood and got the license plate. So then I start looking on my end because he doesn't have access to Boston police reports. I start looking for the license plate and a car that matches her description because we don't know if it's exact. And I find a car, but it's a guy's name. But then I start looking for reports with someone for that last name. And then I found a woman with that last name and with her first name. She told me the girls, she knew the woman's first name. All we had was a first name and a red car.

1:35:22So then I find the last name in the car registration. I find old reports with this woman with their first name, the same last name. And we're like, oh, shit, that we pull up. You know, we did a photo raid, show the girl. And she's like, that's her. So then we start talking to her. And we end up going, it was like a spider web. so these two guys there were two guys who pimped her out in rhode island but she did get raped by some guy the guy in rhode island i got like seven years for the rape or something um because she did not go willingly and those two guys worked for another pimp and he had women all i think he was in his late 20s and he had um i think like 11 baby mamas and like 17 kids or 14 kids something crazy but he had like 27, 28 victims, girls that worked for him over a period of time, including a bottom bitch.

1:36:15She's like the girl that works for him who recruits girls and is basically in charge of everything, collecting the money or whatever. She works herself too, usually the bottom bitch. But that took like three years because we were like in Maine, New York. These girls went to New Jersey. They went to Vegas, California. They would drive. They would drive to Vegas and work and then drive back. But he had all these women working for him. And he was very, very violent. Like he would beat the shit out of the girls. He would pee on them, stole their shoes, their licenses, their cell phones. So they couldn't call home.

1:36:46Like, like I said, some of these girls came from like messed up places and it took like three years to get enough people to, because every time we found somebody, we found somebody else. Yeah. So that took a long time. But that was, that was, he was, he was, I think he got like 33 years in jail because that went federal because of all the different States. That was a biggie. Well, thank you for that. Thank you for that work. I liked going back to the district. I mean, I liked it at the time, the schedule worked, but the district is great people, like the patrolman. Because when you run the human trafficking, there's no patrolman.

1:37:18It's just detectives. So it's like four or five detectives and a supervisor. When you go back to the district, there's 100, 200 people there. So it's a lot more fun. Yeah, you're part of life. We laugh all day and stuff like that. So I was happy. I realize that kind of stuff. I go hang out with the football team around here sometimes. And it's just like some of the best parts of my week because there's just people around. Yeah. It's like, otherwise my life is very much like kind of by myself, not by myself, but it's a limited amount, you know? Yeah. It got old. And again, all the cases, most of them go nowhere.

1:37:49So that's frustrating. And I just wanted to go, you know, back to the district and it's great people. They're the best people on earth. And you just had to laugh all day. You know, like when it's real shitty, like the one with the guy, you know, two women stabbed and the dog was stabbed in the stomach or whatever. Like those are, like we work with really good people. You're all there together. Yeah. And you won Detective of the Year for that, right? Yeah, for the three year, yeah. Let's go. Kara, congratulations. It's funny. Mark Wahlberg was at the ceremony for the Boston Police Foundation, gave me the award.

1:38:20The Detectives Union did too, but the Boston Police Foundation did it. It's like a nonprofit. And at the time, they were promoting the movie Patriots Day. And Peter Berg, the director, and Mark Wahlberg were there for the award ceremony, gave me a picture with them or whatever. You did? Yeah. That's cool. I'm going to have to. I will. Yeah, they were promoting that. I'll text Mark and send him our picture. I don't know if he probably doesn't even know who I am, but I think I accidentally snuck his number off of a sheet one. Mark Wahlberg. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's from Dorchester where I was a detective.

1:38:50Yes. Oh, then I'll make sure to. That's where he and his brothers, the family's from. Not even in a bragging way. I'll just be like, hey, this is awesome. I just wanted to let you know I met one of Dorchester's finest today right here. But congratulations. That's so cool. Thank you. Did that make you feel a sense of accomplishment? Yeah. I mean, I worked hard. Again, it was with Homeland Security and a Homeland Security agent. She did a shit ton of work more than me. She was great. We worked together on it. And like I said, it was a long, it was a long investigation. So I was very happy to be, have it resolved, you know?

1:39:19In the process of it, someone, the pimp who was in charge, who thought the first two pimps that got caught with a girl in Rhode Island that I found through a nickname or whatever, they thought one of them was ratting to the feds. So he had someone shoot one of them in the head. No. He lived, but not good. It was like a piece of pie was missing from his head. And he could sing, but he couldn't talk. He could no longer speak. That's when I found out they said in the brain, like, oh, it's different parts of the brain. He could, like, sing the alphabet and happy birthday, but he couldn't speak. And he was not ratting to the vets.

1:39:51He was nobody. He was, like, away in New Jersey with some girl. Not at that point. You're like, who did it? And he's like, D-E-F-G. Yeah, I was in court on something else. And one of the DAs was like, did you hear this guy got shot? And I was like, what's his name? I was like, oh, shit, that's what looking for him. We have an arrest warrant for him. But that guy had him shot. Man, to get caught up in such depths of darkness. Yeah. Yeah. So that was I was glad to be done with that one. Is most of your social life with with police officers and cops and stuff? It was until I moved. Move where? I moved out of Boston.

1:40:25I moved to South Carolina. You did? Yes. No way. What part do you live in? Yeah, I lived just outside of Charleston. Dude, I used to go to College of Charleston for one semester. Nice. Yeah, I used to live over on King Street above my buddy's apartment for a while. King Street's the shit. It was pretty neat. It was a little bit different, but it was fun. And it's beautiful over there. It's gorgeous. Are you enjoying it? And I don't want to be cold, so, and I'm not a Florida person. And your daughter lives over there? Yeah. You guys got Folly Beach. That's right there? Yeah, IOP. Isle of Palms, Sullivan's Island.

1:40:53Yeah, but she lives north. We live north of, just north of Charleston. So, yeah, we moved there. So, right before I moved, I forget where we're going with this. what was i saying is most of your social life oh yeah yeah until i moved yes um and it's weird everyone's like oh you got to have friends that aren't cops so i have friends that i'm still friends with from high school that i've been friends with for 40 years so i have a core group of girls a few girls that i've known since um high school but it's weird when you become a cop like it's hard to talk to regular people it's only because i always said i felt like a party trick if you're out in a large group and someone's like oh they're a cop you got any stories do you ever shoot anybody shoot him no i didn't fucking shoot anybody and if i did it was a bad day so maybe i don't want to talk about it so i think that's why we all just end up hanging together because we get it whether it's you know cops or nurses or whatever um yeah they get it because you don't want to feel you don't you don't want to be performing all the time like i don't want to talk about it sucks yeah some of it's funny just handcuff sex jokes you know like dick on the sidewalk sounds funny but that was a sock morning you know what i mean more for that kid than me but in baby in a trash can and all this other shit it's hard first of all a lot of these sound like uh like um a lot of these sound like baby shower party games too i do want to say that and that's not what we're doing here today guys it's just kind of some of the way things sound yes so that's what those are my what i call my chapter my titles of my chapters of the alleged book i'm gonna write that's why i shortened it like that but like you don't want to feel like you're on all the time so that's why we hang together because we all get it and we have a weird sense of humor we're different people like when we have Christmas I used to run the Christmas parties for our district and they'd be like oh we can section off a part of the bar we're like no no no no we have to be in our own space like we are not FIFA public society I used to say because we say shit that is not funny and it's funny to us but if like random normal people who just go about their business heard some of the shit that we'd say they'd be horrified oh I've had very recent experience with some of that and I feel you 100 % wow was it hard to move away then No, I was ready.

1:42:58You were? Yeah, I was done, and I wanted to be warm. My daughter was already down here. Oh, your daughter lives in Charleston? Yeah. Oh, that's great. So I wanted to come down. Is that your only child? Yeah. Oh, she's beautiful. Thank you. And are you still married or no? No, of course. Years, yeah. And is it hard to keep them? Are a lot of officers married? And is there a lot of dating on the force? What's that kind of life like for her? Yeah, it's a little. It seems very tough. We spend a lot of time together, so there's always a lot of relationships form in the police department. Like cops end up married to each other.

1:43:30I'm divorced. I've been divorced for years. It's funny. My ex-husband and his new wife, he's remarried a wife, they moved down here too. Oh, nice. Yeah, so we all get along so they could be near my daughter and they have a child as well. So she has a brother with him. But it's hard. It seems easier now. For some reason, cops now, in my experience, that I've seen, are more family-oriented than they were when I was young. There was a lot more drinking going on then. Like guys would stay late in the parking lot and like no one will go home. And now everyone's all about their family. So I think it's morphed, whether it's who they're choosing or who wants.

1:44:04No one wants the job, first of all, by the way. When I took the police exam, like 10 ,000 people took it. And now they can't even get like 800 people to take the test. No one wants. I mean, it's terrible. People hate us. Well, of course, when your district attorney is not supporting you, when your government isn't supporting you. And all over the country, like, no, we're not the fire department. Everyone in America is heroes. It's a joke. We laugh that no one wants to see us coming. And it's just gotten worse and worse over time because we're not politically supported even nationally. We weren't in the past.

1:44:31It's changed. So it's hard to maintain relationships. Because we're with each other. We all work 12, 14, 16 hours a day. I can't even imagine. And so that's how a lot of them end up together, I think. And then again, because they understand it. It's hard for a non-police person to understand what's going through our crazy heads because we're all crazy. We would have taken the job, I think, if it didn't make you crazy. I can't even imagine. You have to drive in a car that has a siren on it, first of all. Sometimes it's kind of aggravating. And then when you get there, you might have to shoot somebody or get shot.

1:45:07Yeah. I'm out. Yeah, it's a lot. You know? It's a lot. So it's a lot for a regular person to live with someone who's dealing with that, I think. Yeah, is it hard to keep the work at work for a lot of people or is it not? It's changed. I mean, it varies by person. Some people can shut it off. They don't give a shit. Just go home and shut it off. and some people get really, you know, fucked up over it and drink too much or they're too, you know, meant to like depression or whatever. So. What did you think about Trump utilizing the National Guard to help out in some of these cities? I thought it was fucking great.

1:45:36I did too. I mean, if the mayors aren't going to fix it, you can't have that much chaos in the streets. Do something. I agree. And the fact that they're fighting it like, oh, how dare you clean up my city? Are you insane? I would love if there's military in it. I mean, like, especially if it helps us get to a point where we don't need that, where there's a bit of, you know, where it solves the problem. People want it. It's funny. When everyone was hating on us a few years ago, bad after George Floyd and stuff, everyone hate us, videotaping you everywhere you go, cameras, every radio call you're at, the phone's out in your face.

1:46:06They're waiting for something to happen and they're cursing at you, spitting on you when they talk. And that's not, and you can't react to that. You can't be like, you know, you can't get into it with people. And so we're - What pieces of shit can do that? Everyone. That's who does it. Everyone. Every piece of shit does it. But then you find out like the normal people in the neighborhoods, they want us there. They come out. They're like, thank you. Thank you for coming. But that doesn't happen as often as you'd like. And it is interesting. It is like, you know, I think it is a nice reminder to find ways to stop by our police and fire departments and be supportive, you know.

1:46:41One thing that's kind of fun about fire departments, I'll say, is you can walk by and see the guys right there sometimes, right by the truck. You know what I'm saying? So you can go up and say, hey. Yeah. You can go up and like. yeah it's not like walking into a police station right yeah there you're like okay that's it has to be secure because there's prisoners inside and there's firearms so it's different can't be as open and welcoming at a fire department it's just a crock pot full of freaking uh uh ballpark franks going on so it's a different now they'll guard those with their life some of those guys different atmosphere yeah and yeah um and there's the one guy that's like afraid to slide down the pole he's like he just waits for everybody else goes and then he just takes the stairs real fast but it's none of that's any judgment these guys are heroes but that's one thing that's nice like we're in New York the other day and they were even doing a call and we took my buddy's son up and he will wear his little fire jacket around town and he'll just go get into the fire truck and shit.

1:47:29They come back and we're just like, this kid's in their truck. Kids love fire trucks and shit. And cruisers, they like the noise, the noise and the lights. It's exciting. I think it's cool.

1:47:42Oh, look at this. Here we go. Sean Diddy Combs sentencing live updates. Combs gets 50 months in prison. that's actually not that much, four years. For his conviction on two prostitution-related offenses, what were the offenses? Can you let me know? He must have been sex trafficking of a minor, maybe. He got acquitted of the most serious charges he faced, racketeering, conspiracy, and sex trafficking, found him guilty on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. You know, I personally thought that this whole thing was something they were trying to create during the election of kind of like, I don't know how they were trying to use it, but I thought it was, they were trying to...

1:48:19He did some crazy shit. Oh, for sure. I mean, but do you think he was just a freak that got really addicted to what he was doing and like a power hungry? From what I hear, he's a very power controlling type of person. Yeah, I mean, I obviously don't know the gist of the cases why they charge him with conspiracy and sex trafficking with their minors involved. So I don't know why. Yeah, so we got watches over four years. I don't know what he... I mean, you can't get them for sex parties. So there's obviously something there. That's a good point. And who knows what they kept back? Who knows what got like behind closed doors?

1:48:54Yeah. Yeah. Victims don't want to testify. Was he the one with the girl who was kicking the shit out of in the hallway at the elevator? That was pretty bad to watch. Yeah, never mind. You know what? Fuck that. Give him fucking 10 more years. I am. I'm sorry. And you know what's messed up? I forgot about that. Yeah. You know, there's so much evil shit out there sometimes. Well, it's nonstop. Every week there's something else. Every day something else comes out. But do you think, okay, so going back to that, so that statement, and I agree with you, there's a lot, but if we go back to like working the beats in Dorchester when you were starting, like there's a better way to do it, right?

1:49:31There's a better way we can be. Yeah, people have to be human beings, but there's a lot of people that aren't. There's pieces of shit for whatever reason, whether it's poverty or their upbringing or drugs, mess and fucks up families to know it. So I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. It's not what we're doing. Right. I wonder if it's what we are doing or what is being done to us that's having more of an effect on us or probably some. Well, yeah, when we can't control it, people are going to be pieces of shit and bad. Like, that's not our fault. That's not your fault. We didn't do anything.

1:50:03We're just going about our business, having a job, getting up in the morning, going to work or whatever. Yeah. The people that choose to, I'm just going to fucking rob this person. Some people are just bad people. Yeah. Some people end up that way because of the way they're raised, and some people are just fucking bad. They really are. Just the way they are. Yeah, and I think sometimes we do get caught in this space of like, oh, we have to recuperate everybody, and we got to save everybody. There's real victims out there, and it's not them. It's not those guys. That's a good point. Oh, when it came to the prostitute, the pimps and everything like that, is there a certain ethnicity?

1:50:35Is it Asian? Is it black? Is it white? Is it Mexican? The pimps? Do you hear like a certain, is that a, is that whole universe of a certain world? Like where a lot of these, cause you always hear like Asian prostitution. Like, was it a certain, or is it anybody? So the spas were Asian. Their pimps were Asian, but the ones in my experience, in all of my cases, um, whether they were male or female pimps, cause we had a couple of females, they were, um, they were black. They're African American. Really? Yeah. Like female pimps too? They worked. Yes. They ended up like the bottom bitch. They'd end up kind of working on their own.

1:51:06The most common ethnicities of pimps in the United States, according to available arrest data and research, are predominantly black African-American, making up about two-thirds of identified or arrested pimps, followed by a smaller proportion of Latino, white, multiracial, mixed people. They'll pretty much do anything. And Asian individuals. Yeah, the spas were, the people running those were Asian. That's kind of crazy. I wonder, well, maybe it has a lot to do with that music that's in that culture too, just the way that some of that music is so vulgar and like bitch, pimp, and that, you know.

1:51:36Yeah, stuff's glorified. Yeah, that's a good point. I think that culture has the most glorification of the music, of the performers. Now, a lot of the producers and agents of that group are white. So certainly just as much responsibility. Thank you so much for hanging out. I want to know, what do you like to do now? So are you retired now? I just retired three months ago. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Very happy. You're supposed to put in 32 years to get your full pension, but I gave up after 31. What? Yeah, 32 years. But you still get a pension? No, I get my pension. It's just not. The most you're going to get is 80 % of your salary after 32 years.

1:52:14And I stayed until 31 years, and I get like 77 % or something. That's fair. Yeah, I'm down south now. I go to the beach. I paint. I do oil painting as a hobby. You do? Yeah. Would you do us a little bitty painting and we could put it in here? No, I'm fucking terrible. I'm just learning. I copy artists that I like. That's how I'm learning. It's like mixed colors and stuff like that. So I copy artists' paintings that I appreciate, and I try to recreate them just in the learning process. I'm terrible. I'm brand new. If you ever do want to do something even smaller, it can even be years from now. I'll send you a little painting.

1:52:47My niece is an actual painter, and I told her I was coming. She's like, bring Theo a painting. Oh, that's cool. That's sweet of all. I'm glad that I asked. That would be really nice to have because then I can tell people who it's from. All right. And thank you so much for your service. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you for having normal people on and not just, you know, like it's nice of somebody who gives a shit what we're doing instead of, you know. Yeah, well, I think I'm learning more that that's just so much more important to me sometimes, I think. I don't know. This whole thing has been interesting, like just talking to people and stuff like that.

1:53:20Because I'm not really the best interviewer, but I do. I am curious about people. Well, that's what makes a good interview. You ask people questions, you know. You're a great interviewer. Come on. Well, that's sweet. Thank you. You're welcome. I love the Amish kid interview. That was good. Oh, he was good, huh? He was great. He was so funny. He was very well-spin-one. He was just very direct. He seemed so natural at it. He really did. I know. I see your hat there. I like your remnant. Oh, yeah, that's he gave that. It's really him. And Louis C.K. just gave me his new book. I give it to your daughter, but it's kind of for boys.

1:53:48It's a boy book. Is it a novel? It is, and he did a really great job writing. All right. He's funny. He's funny shit. I know he had trouble in the past, but he's a funny bastard. Yeah, he is. Yeah, and I'm so glad he had trouble in the past because that's how he and I got to know each other because we've all had trouble. Yeah. So it's good. That's great. Yeah. And in the spirit of service, we got a picture of our – this is our Jim Jeffries. He was a comedian that was on. That's his nephew. Oh, nice. Lieutenant Max Nugent. Yeah, who was an officer in the Australian Army, and he passed away in a helicopter crash.

1:54:20So he is our hero. So we're excited to have him. Nice to have him there. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, he's cool. He seems like a neat guy, so I'm sure we'll get to know, channel some thoughts and feelings and energy from him over the years. But anyway, thank you both for your service. Congratulations on your move. Thank you. And you look lovely, and I wish you a beautiful second half of your life as it evolves. Thank you so much. And thank you for bringing your daughter. And we got you guys set up for dinner night over at 1230 Club. That'll be fun. That's lovely. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate you.

1:54:50Thank you so much. Thank you. Yep. Lovely to meet you. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take...