#618 - Sam and Colby

30:37But when you incorporate the fact that you have to be willing, you have to want something, right? Right. That it can show up for you. I just find that is so inspiring no matter what because we're all looking for some sort of ghost, you know? We're all hoping that there's some spirit that comes up and tells us something, you know, or that shares something. We're all wanting something to come along and make us feel more complete, you know? And what doper place for it to come from than the afterlife or the next realm, dude. Exactly. Because it feels hella inspiring as well. For sure. And I think it's worth mentioning too that this stuff doesn't happen every single time we go to a haunted place.

31:17There are so many times that we'll have videos that turn into duds even if we've traveled across the world where we have to completely scrap it because nothing happens. And so it really just depends on the spot and like the energy there. Yeah. And it's not like constant either. Like most of our investigations are like 12 hours and we cut it down to like an hour of like the craziest stuff. And only half of that is even like any evidence that we got. So it takes a long time for these things. It's not like we out of everybody can just walk over and see Casper the friendly ghost tomorrow. Like it's like you have to go to the most haunted places in the entire world and then also spend a very long time trying to like open yourself up for that.

31:55Yeah. dude I'm so thankful that you guys came in man this is awesome I just appreciate it yeah it's just nice to have this kind of conversation you know it's nice to be reminded of the fact that we have a part kind of in and this sounds kind of silly but we have a part in what we believe but that we have a part in things that are supernatural definitely I think that's what it is that we that because we we alone are supernatural 100 % it's like crazy that we're even here it's fucking bizarre, dude. Especially if you look at the other animals and stuff, dude. They're all doing normal animal shit.

32:30We're out here. People are vaping. People are lying to their parents. Dude, if you were in the woods and you saw a bear lie to his parents and then sneak a piece of salmon or something, you'd be like, what the heck? Then hit a vape real quick. Imagine you saw a bear get up every morning. All the other bears are out splashing in the water and there's one bear just sitting on his computer every day. It's just like, whoa! Coding chat GPT? It's like, what are you doing, dude? Yeah, he's coding. It's insane, man. You guys have visited some of the most haunted places in the world that we know of right now.

33:05Are they different? Is there a common link between all of them? Are you able to... Is there sort of an overall hypothesis that you can come up with through all that? Or is it all just one by one? Most of them honestly are their own separate like entities or whatever. No pun intended to where like you'll go to like one spot and like learn a bunch of history about the place. That's like maybe like 500 years old in the US. It's not going to have any correlation to like a 500 year old place in like France or something like that. So I think every single spot comes with its own story and its own spirits.

33:41There's also like human spirits. There's more like demonic things you could talk to as well. Earthly spirits. so there's a lot of different like variables I guess you could say depending on like where you go really so so some places have different types of spirits that kind of depends on the history of what all happened there and like how much trauma there is in the said place because again all of this is based on the energy that's at the location is there one that stands out to you that kind of had a demonic energy because that's an interesting word yeah I mean okay so one place that we went to for this October, we went to Pendle Hill.

34:14And so that's a place that's considered one of the most haunted or if not the most haunted place in the United Kingdom. Pendle Hill? Pendle Hill. P-E-N-D-E-L? D-L-E. Yeah. But that was the home of the most infamous witch trials ever happened. So basically 11 witches were killed, 12 were put on trial for doing witchcraft. And at that time, a lot of witches turned to the devil because witches were outcasted by the church. And so when they would turn to the devil, they made this place more like demonic and like it has this like devil satanic pull to it. And so we actually brought out a, you know, a witch that was doing witchcraft to summon the devil.

35:01That was her main practice and had her try to summon and channel the devil himself. And it was like literally like hundreds of years of witches on this exact hill have been practicing trying to speak with the devil. And we try to recreate that as close as possible, which was one of, if not the most terrifying thing we've ever done. But like, for example, that would make a place more demonic. If we have hundreds of years of people putting their effort and all of their power. Again, if we're talking about opening yourself up to a spiritual thing, if all you're doing is putting that faith and that energy towards something demonic, you're going to attract the demonic.

35:40You're not going to attract something that's happy. Oh, for sure. Let me see this. Pendle Hill is most infamous for its ties to the Pendle Witch Trials of 1612, where several local women were tried and executed for witchcraft. The area is steeped in legend, including tales of supernatural occurrences. Does it have any more? Can you give me a little bit more information about the witches? Maybe you could say, like, look up the story of Alison Device. This is how it all started. How you guys found it? Oh, this is how it all began. This is how it all began. I wish we found this. That'd be special.

36:13The story of Alison Device, Alison, is central to the infamous Pendle Witch Trials of 1612 in Lancashire, England. She was a young woman from a poor family who one spring morning encountered John Law, a peddler from Halifax, while walking to Trodden Forest. Allison asked him for some pins, a common request at the time. As pins were believed to have uses in folk magic, Law refused, prompting Allison to utter a curse against him, upon which Law soon collapsed, suffering symptoms that were later recognized as a stroke. Called it. Though at the time, this was believed to be a result of witchcraft.

36:52Dang. And she was 12, by the way, when she did this. So a 12-year-old girl just meets a salesman. She's like, can I have some pins? He's like, nah. She's like, curse you. And he died. And so they were like, this girl's a witch. And so her and her family were all like accused of witchcraft. And then they all started blaming each other in the town. But the weird part is like they all admitted to it. They literally like said on court trial, hey, I did use witchcraft to attempt to speak to the devil and summon him. And so it's like, well, why? You know? Oh, the family said that? Yeah. So why did they do that?

37:23Because they thought they were so upset by what had happened to her that they're like, well, we're going to call the devil here? Well, they were admitting that in previous times they had already been in witchcraft. Oh, so her family was a little bit familiar with witchcraft. Yeah. Oh, but also, what's that dude doing just gooning around some 12-year-old? Yeah. You know what I'm saying, dude? Serves him right. Bro, what are you loitering around some 12-year-old for, dude? dude. Oh my God, bro. They're catching mad gooners back then. That's the kind of shit that happens, dude. Even a long time ago.

38:01And she was the one that got arrested, not him. It's like, what? It's like, God, obvious. Oh, that's crazy though. And imagine the energy of that at the time. And like she's young and now like she's put in this space where it's like, how did they execute them? They hang them. By hanging. Yeah. Yeah. So if you think about that, yeah, like 11 of them died, 10 of them by hanging. And that was accounted for 2 % of all the witches ever that have been executed all in this one trial because the whole family admitted to witchcraft. So it was a massive deal. And it's one of the most famous witch trials in history.

38:36Because part of the thing was to be like freed from being like accused of being a witch, I guess. you had to point the blame on somebody else. So the entire family basically like turned on each other. Like the little girl was like, my grandma did it. She was like, what the fuck? And then she was on the trial. And obviously like mom's a bitch. And they're like, but they didn't hear it right. Yeah. He's a witch. Like, oh shit. Now I'm dead. Dude, that's crazy. That would be the craziest. It's almost like the sickest game show ever where it's going to be you or you have to point the finger at somebody else.

39:11Exactly. And it's your mom. especially if there's nobody left what if it's down to you and your mom do I kill her? oh god and then you both blame each other so you're both dead then you're like okay it's like that meme or the spider man yeah you're just blaming each other that's the witch trials man yeah that would be a lot of energy being over there one place that's like even worse than that I think is my top scariest we've ever gone to and will that be on hell week? Will that be it? Is that episode coming on you guys as Hell Week? And Halloween is Hell Week? It's one week of just all episodes of you guys?

39:47So Hell Week is like the brand we've started for the last like five years. But this year we switched it to Hell Month. And so basically once a week we go to the most demonic places in the world. And we're leading up to Halloween. So every Sunday until Halloween. Sakes. It's pretty terrifying. But by far like the scariest for me of this entire Hell Month was going to the Paris Catacombs. Oh my God. I don't know if you ever heard of that. I've been there, actually. You've been in the catacombs? Yeah. The illegal part or the legal part? I'm not sure. My buddy got a little, like, whatever that's, one of these.

40:22Oh, my God. A little tarsal or something. Okay. He got a boot, like, tarsal off one of the staff there, like a little piece of bone. Huh. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, jeez. So he's obviously not going to be doing well. Take a bone from the Ferris catacombs and curse forever? Yeah, dude, I said, dude, just get some astronaut ice cream from the gift shop. What's your problem? That's like a skull. But he wanted to be different, so he got a little piece of foot or something. So there's like two miles of this tourist part of the Karras Catacombs where you can legally go into. And then there's 200 miles of illegal territory.

40:59That's a whole labyrinth that doesn't even have a map. It's seven stories, so you can go up and down different floors. Yeah, you get lost very, very easily. And there's six million dead bodies that are buried down underneath. And it's pretty much a mirror of Paris. So if you think of how big Paris is, you're walking around there. There's an equivalent underneath Paris itself, which is insane to think about. And people go down there, get lost and die all the time. And so basically we had to go down there and trust this like random guy that we'd met that day and be like, hey, don't leave us. Because if you left us, we would die.

41:36we've actually known people that have gone down there and the guides will like take them into a corner and be like hey go check out that cave steal their bags and run and like leave them there to die just to rob them everything because who would even notice that they died because of all the other bones exactly just show them in the corner and no one's coming to save you there's like hundreds of miles of this and it's all legal bring that up can you give me some information on that I didn't know it's like that dude I remember oh my god I forgot about this I was trying to like flirt with our tour guide down there and she was looking at me like i was the creepiest guy in the world and first date and a bunch of skeletons in hindsight i was and some dude in our group kept making these boner jokes and shit it was so dumb it was ridiculous he made like 40 boner like dude that's a yeah just chill out but he just wouldn't stop but yeah i remember trying to flirt with this girl down there and ah Oh, she must have been like, this guy's a creep.

42:38Placing the time. Yeah, yeah. But hey, shooters shoot, right? Exactly. No matter what the circumstance. That's it, bro. What's a rib cage amongst friends, you know? The Paris Catacombs refers to a vast underground network beneath Paris, consisting of approximately 200 miles of tunnels and passageways. While these tunnels originally functioned as limestone quarries, dating back to the 13th century, they were repurposed in the late 1700s as an ossuary, a final resting place, eventually holding their bones of more than 6 million Parisians. That's unbelievable, man. And there's really crazy structures down there.

43:14So like they'll have like ritual rooms. There'll be like literal thrones made of human bones down there. There's like all these things they call the bone rooms that are just stacked super high of like towers of different bones. It's like the most insane thing you've ever seen. Like trying to conceptualize seeing like a dead human now see six million of them and they're all stacked in weird formations and there's like baptismal rooms and things like that it's that's the bone throne what yeah that's a shitter i mean well hopefully not it'd be crazy if it was right bro you know someone's tried for sure oh definitely dude i've never had stayed right out the back but i think i'd have it on that Oh, God.

44:00What was the cause of all the deaths? So a lot of it was just people that were dead above in the cemeteries. Mainly from the plague. Yeah, from the plague. And also Paris was just like a very popular city, obviously. And so like over time, as it got like more and more people, they didn't have enough room for the dead. And so they would just bring a lot of like people, like dead bodies down to just dump them in the tunnels. Oh, yeah. Down below. There's nothing tackier than a dead dude when you're trying to have like a night. Yeah, especially like on the Champs -Élysées or something like that. nothing's more tacky looking than some dead ass dude while you're trying to have like beautiful outfits and shit while you just throw them down like leave them in the tunnel out of this beautiful city all right let's stick them underneath yeah it's like just putting something under the rug really for real yeah it's crazy and there was not only just like paranormal danger there that we like encountered but also like extreme claustrophobia where we were like cave diving on like our hands and knees, essentially, like wading through waters that were freezing cold up to like our nipples and stuff, like walking around.

45:01Yeah, imagine getting frozen nips in two miles in the catacombs. Yeah, literally. And then we're talking to ghosts. And then I think the scariest of it all, actually, is the fact that there are known gangs that like roam around in the Paris catacombs that actively try to steal from tourists because they know it's so popular for people to try to go out there and film and like take things down there. And so if you get close, which actually, again, like we know a couple of buddies that have had this happen to them, they'll be, they'll come and just jump you. Just take all your stuff and walk around.

45:33Like there's people that know the catacombs like the back of their hands. And so when they encounter a tourist, they're like, oh, I got you. Like I'll just take all your equipment and like make you run, which is terrifying. And what are you going to do? Grab a femur and beat somebody? Like it would be almost be scary. It would be a weird spot to even defeat. It would all feel so surreal if somebody's robbing you. If they turn off your light, you're done. You can't see this far ahead. We went to some other catacombs. This is in Ukraine. Not Paris. But yeah, basically like that. All around the Paris catacombs.

46:09And so that was part of one of the demonic places you guys checked out? Yeah. Got it. So it was one of the four episodes of Hell Month. But it was really surreal because that was the closest we'd ever really been to dead bodies. And not to mention we got lost down there. So like we had our guide that we had just met, shout out Gaspar. Gaspar? Gaspar. What an incredible name. We were like, there's no way this guy's going to leave us. His name's Gaspar. We have to find our way out of here. But yeah, we were like super, super late. Like we were only supposed to be down there for like seven, eight hours, something like that.

46:40And we were like in our last investigation, realized like the time was up. And then it took us like another hour to maybe, yeah, to find like the exit because we would go to where Gaspard thought there was going to be an exit to a manhole, and the police would actively seal it up with cement. It was scary. Yeah. So we went to three different exits we thought were exits, and they're all closed off. And so we were like, oh, my God. Not only are we now two hours late, all the people that we told to worry about us are now worried about us, but we actually don't know where to get out. So we had to go all the way back to our original entrance, and it took so long and everyone was like calling us.

47:22We like came out and there's no service down there until a bunch of texts are you dead? Yeah, zero. It's so terrifying. Gaspard! Gaspard! But he led us to safety. Let's go. It was good. The name Gaspard is of French and Parisian origin and it means bringer of treasure or treasurer. Oh, he brought us some treasure. We treasured him a lot. Gaspard. That is a good name. Yeah, that was actually one of the more crazy investigations. So we use this thing called, or just honestly, we actually just use a voice recorder. So it's like a stereotypical voice recorder, but there was one rendition of this Japanese voice recorder that they actually recalled back in the 70s because they kept getting other voices when they were like play back the voice recording.

48:11Like they'd, you know, talk a sentence, but then they'd get a couple other voices and sentences in it. And they're like, oh, this must be weird. But then like later on, people are like, wait, no, these are legit other people talking in a room that nobody else is in. So now we use this as like basically ghost equipment. And we can record on this voice recorder and ask a question and play it back. And there's actual conversations coming back to us that are not in the room. And it's the thought that these voice recorders can pick up frequencies that the human ear can't hear. And so it's a literal way to have a conversation.

48:43and so we will ask someone like we'll ask a spirit like you know hey like what are you doing here or something like that or like in this specific sense we asked like are you dead or alive just to see if it would fuck with us and it literally said I'm alive back very clear like super clear it was one of the craziest things I've ever heard and again that's why we bring guests that have never experienced this before so that they can like see this for the first time and like everybody was mind blown like imagine you're sitting there underground next to thousands of skeletons and you ask to a voice recorder, are you dead or alive?

49:19You wait. You play it back. There is a new voice that wasn't there saying I'm alive. And you're like, what? Crazy. That's a bar, dude. Fuck, that's a that's a skeletal drake. We ran the fuck out of there. We're like, alright, well, this is actually terrifying. That's heavy, dude. It was crazy Has there been an experience that hit you more emotionally than other experiences? Dude. Yeah. Not to go back to the same video we were just talking about, but also during hell month this month, we did the Pendle Hill and Sam had mentioned that we were really trying to push the bar and talk to the actual devil himself.

50:02And earlier I had mentioned like I'm Christian. And so that was something that I was just like, no, like I always feel like I'm overstepping the lion, like being involved in the paranormal as a Christian, as it is being involved in like occult magic and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that it's, which is hard. It's like a mental battle for me, but at the same time, like when our team first decided or came up with the idea of like, maybe we can like invite a witch to summon the devil. I was like, guys, like, this is where I have to draw the line for like my, which sounds like, like, duh. And he did.

50:36And he did. But it's also interesting if you sometimes if you want to talk to, you know, sometimes you got to talk to this person to talk to that person, you know. Exactly. But what was that? But sorry, I stepped on you. What were you saying? Oh, it's all good. It was just like and we show it in the video as well. But like I basically pull Sam to the side right before he's about to do this like ritual, I guess you could say. and I had like a deep conversation with him where I was like nearly in tears talking to him about like, dude, like we're making like YouTube videos. Like this is beyond that.

51:10Like you are like meddling into some stuff that like I know you don't personally believe in, but this has like everything to do like with my faith and I deeply believe in this. Yeah, Sam's gone too far. Yeah, for real. And I was just like, be careful. We're like, yeah, fuck Sam. Actually, comment down below.

51:32so why are you doing that man let's hash it out here man no it was interesting uh like jokes aside it's and where was that at sorry pendle hill that was that was in middle hill in uk yeah i could see that man i could see that because you you know it's almost just like like if you say enough bad stuff it's like you book you know it's like you become what you do you know it's like it's i could see that when you there's a reason why people probably don't do it that much exactly exactly especially religious people like me but like again i am more so just like spreading hope to people and that's kind of how like i mentally cope with what i do for a living but like again when it has to like delve into like hellish things like literally talking to satan the devil himself i was like you know what i'm good on that one i'll just film like in the corner Yeah, maybe talk to Satan's secretary or whatever.

52:20But I don't need the big dog in here. Exactly. But do you ever see any ghosts that are like hot chicks? Or is there ever any ghosts that are like yurking off or whatever? There's some prostitutes out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like ghosts are always just kind of fucking doing like trap shit. I don't feel like any of them are ever being sexy, I wonder. Or what are ghosts doing the most, I wonder? Probably gooning behind the scenes. Nobody can see them, you know? Yeah, if you're invisible, what are you doing? If I were invisible, dude, I'd be freaking spraying, bro. For sure, dude. I've already got a problem and I'm fully visible.

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58:09Thank you. Do you guys know if the U.S. government has ever made a classification on paranormal activity? Have they ever? I think. Have they ever acknowledged it? like? There was a president, I've mistaken which one it is right now, but in the Bell Witch Cave Trials, which is actually here in Tennessee, I think. There was a case where somebody died and they ruled it in court as a death by paranormal. And actually one of the presidents went to that location just to see the demons and confirmed that it was haunted. I don't know if that's the government getting behind paranormal, but they have acknowledged things like that.

58:58Wow. I can read this case here. Yeah, this one's really interesting. The only widely cited case in which a death was officially attributed to paranormal causes is the Bell Witch haunting in Adams, Tennessee. Specifically, the 1820 death of John Bell Sr. John Bell, dude. And I think he's also the lead singer for widespread panic as well. Love him. He's had many lives. Yeah, he's had many lives, dude. According to numerous sources, John Bell's death was attributed by his family and several contemporaries to the Bell Witch, a supernatural entity that tormented the Bell family beginning in 1817. The case is notable because Tennessee is reported to have recognized John Bell's death as caused by this supernatural, making it unique in American legal and folklore history.

59:48yeah i think this is the only cited death that is like recognized as paranormal wow most people are thinking most people think like hey you know no one's died because it's paranormal no one gets hurt but there's a lot of people that get hurt and there is this one death that people have said and i think this is the case as well that a president at the time went to this location too John Bell's phenomenon grew so and this is on perplexity the phenomenon grew so intense that John Bell developed a mysterious illness and after finding a strange vial of black liquid next to his bed oh that would trip me out if I even find a girl's gum next to my bed I can't even sleep good his son tested it on a cat which died suddenly the Bell Witch allegedly claimed credit for poisoning John Bell who died on December 20th 1820 why would the kid give it to the cat like oh here's some black tar liquid like kitty kitty kitty kitty come here that's the most kid shit ever he's like ah fuck this cat see if he dies too he's like I miss my dad but fuck this cat the US president who was most famously associated with a visit to the Bell Witch Cave was Andrew Jackson as a general and later as president Jackson reportedly visited the Bell family property in Adams Tennessee during the height of the Bell Witch disturbances According to legend and multiple historical accounts, Jackson and his entourage experienced unexplained phenomena and chose to leave early, with Jackson famously quoted as saying he would rather face the entire British army and spend another night with the Bell Witch.

1:01:23Isn't that crazy? Andrew Jackson. To think. Bro, Ajak couldn't handle that broad. And he's credible too. It's not just some random homeless guy they brought over to assess the situation. They brought the president who was like, dude, I'm not doing that ever again. this guy wasn't taking dmt you know yeah yeah this is a credit guy had a sword he's like i can't do shit dude that's wild though right it makes me think about it makes me think about how like over the years like schizophrenia and these different things like we've like we've given a lot of things a scientific term now also to make them marketable to medicine but you don't think about how many of those things could just be also spiritual in nature I'm not saying that Schizophrenia is spiritual in nature Even though I'm sure the spirit is heavily affected But you just don't know You don't know what something could have happened in a past life That's now come through and is affecting a spirit In this life or affecting someone In this life And it's just looked at these days As a semi-common disease that we have But it's something that's far greater than that Or used to be deemed that way So true, yeah It's pretty wild Depends on what you believe, exactly Yeah.

1:02:37It did seem more fun back then to believe in stuff too. I think because more people were believing things. Now a lot of our beliefs just like are looking at our phone and before our beliefs used to like go into the air, you know? It is really sad. I feel like, yeah, we're like facing a really secular time of like everyone's just like, ah, like if I don't see it on Chatty PT, then I'm not going to believe it type of thing. But no one's, like you said, like believing and like putting themselves out there to actually experience these things. Because at the end of the day, it's so much harder to believe anything online, like anything over a video.

1:03:11I wouldn't believe a ghost video from 10 years ago before I started this. And then I only started believing because I physically experienced it myself in person. So I fully like, you know, empathize with all the people that are online watching our videos being like, that's cool and all that you guys do this, but I can't believe it until I see it. You know, so I would encourage a lot of people who are like into this type of thing to actually, you know, go and experience these things or put yourself out there and try. Just like with faith. it's like if you just try to take someone's word for it you know whatever but if you were to go to church and actually read these things and like go for it and really put yourself in there then you might find god oh i'll notice the more i pray the more when i walk into certain rooms or whatever i can feel like my knees almost tingle a bit like i want to hit them right like i want to you know i want to hit my knees right there and pray right and it becomes sort of a practice like yeah for sure whatever you practice and lean into becomes more of of you you know and we probably used to be more connected to the spirit realm overall you know i'm sure like native americans especially were so connected to it and like really lived by it and had a real like i bet they had like a real like like gigahertz connection with like a you know what i'm saying for sure also you had time to think now it's like the second that you go and take a shit you're just like swiping tiktok or something it's like not like you have a single moment away from distraction and entertainment you don't have any second to wonder.

1:04:34I know, yeah. But you need it. I know. It's crazy not to have a second to wonder when we're part of something that's so wondrous. It's like, it's almost baffling, dude. We'll get to the end of our lives and one of our last thoughts will be like, I was looking at my phone the whole time. The entire, oh, that's a sad thought right there. That's so true. I was just looking at my phone the whole time. Wow. Damn. Look up from the screen. I literally won't even believe I'm dead until I check my phone. Did I send that email? because you're dying. I swear to God. Let me tap right back in here just to finish this.

1:05:10The U.S. government has not officially acknowledged the existence of ghosts as real supernatural entities, but there have been legal and cultural instances where haunted properties or ghost stories were referenced because of their impact on property value or cultural significance. Yeah, there's actually a lot of movies and stuff, obviously, that are based on real-life hauntings and things like that. Like things happen so crazily, like over decades, or like families get traumatized to the point that they become movies. And what's awesome is you see, especially the recent ones that are happening in the last couple decades, there's so much documentation of them that it's really crazy to back things up and see these stories.

1:05:50And people sometimes have video evidence or audio evidence of like people getting possessed and things like that. And so it's really, really cool when we get to like go to places like that. For example, I don't know if you just recently saw the Conjuring video or Conjuring movie. The Smurl House or the – The Smurl House. The Smurl House. Sorry, yeah. Yeah. So the Smurl House Conjuring movie just came out. It's called Last Rites. And that was based on the Smurl House. But that was one of the cases that the most famous demonologist ever, Ed and Lorraine Warren, investigated. And there was a demonic entity that was literally like petrifying this family for 13 years.

1:06:29They describe this demonic entity as like an eight foot tall lizard man with like red eyes and scaly like scales, I guess you could say. That would physically assault Jack and Janet Smurl, who were the parents, and like lift them up from their beds and chuck them against the wall. Holy shit, dude. And they don't have an HOA or anything? Exactly, right? Kick this guy out. That's crazy. Call the plumber. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Dude, but I believe something like this could happen. The Smurl House Haunting refers to a series of widely publicized claims of paranormal activity. You guys tell us about it.

1:07:05I don't need to read this. What else do you guys know about it? Oh, it says here the family's German shepherd was reportedly levitated and slammed into a wall. Yeah, even the dog was attacked. But every single member of the family was attacked. And we're talking like they would be picked up and thrown against the wall to the point of the wife broke bones because of the spirit. like the little girl in the family was thrown down the staircase you know a ceiling fan flew off the ceiling and smacked one of the little girls and almost killed her as well there were sexual assaults it was like the ghost word like physically and sexually assaulting the whole family it was crazy that's gotta be the worst because what if your parents come home it looks like you're jerking off or whatever or you're sitting there just you know experiencing something yeah experiencing something with yourself that you caused yurking off but you're not even doing it it's literally like this is a demon and my mom would still have gotten pissed at me my mom would have blamed it on me it's a demon I'm not even looking at it but dude that's how to be so how did they come and go in their home did you guys go there well like the Smurl house we were the first people since the demonologist Edler and Warren like we're the first people to investigate since then 40 years ago.

1:08:19So it was really, really like a cool experience to be able to go in there and like understand like what was the haunting? Like what actually happened there? And there's two conjuring houses. There's one that's really famous in Rhode Island, which is the videos that are being played right now. And then there's this one that we haven't released yet. It's coming out for our finale of Hell Month. And yeah, nobody has been there besides Ed and Lorraine Warren like 40 years ago, 50 years ago, yeah. And did it feel different? Did it come at a different time? Did it start differently? Like, how do you ease into like a new place that that has a haunting, right?

1:08:54That that has an energy like that? Like, do you approach it differently on the way there? Like, do you bring certain things with you to set up an atmosphere? Like, do you bring an altar? Like, what do you like? Is there some sort of like precursor to your approach? Definitely. I mean, especially something like that that hasn't been investigated for so long. And actually at the time, 40 years ago, it was believed that and Lorraine Warren like brought in a priest and they did like an exorcism and got rid of the demons. So like theoretically, this place hasn't really been haunted for the last 40 years.

1:09:26It's just been a regular family home. So when you go back into there, it's mainly like the shell of the home of said spirit. And so in order to like make sure we were able to like contact the same person, we brought in a witch or a priestess. She's our friend. She actually has helped us with a lot of these types of things and teaching us about the occult. And she brought in a spirit board, which is pretty much like a good Ouija board. It's not like one of those Hasbro ones you buy at Target. It's like the real deal. Like what a woodpecker would like, definitely. Like homemade, all that stuff. She actually helped with a full-on summoning ritual.

1:10:03And that brought in the spirits around. And we were able to talk to this thing on a Ouija board. And what's absolutely crazy about that is like, I never really believed in Ouija boards. I just thought, you know, it was a fun gimmick, like, you know, especially the ones at Target, you know, I guess whatever. But when you do it correctly, like with a witch, it is the most insane experience you've ever had. You put your fingers on this planchette, and I don't know if you've ever seen a Ouija board, but there's a bunch of, like, letters and numbers all over this board, and it said that, you know, you move this planchette around and it spells things out.

1:10:39but the feeling is so unlike anything you've ever felt before where the wood gets pulled out from underneath your fingertips is literally you can feel a different presence pulling you and directions like a magnet almost yeah sorts a magnetism never believed in the ouija board until doing it like correctly with professional pythian priestess and like i remember the first time we did it with her like off camera, we were like, did you do that? He was like, no, like you definitely did that. And we were like, hell no, because like our fingers were going like. It was crazy. And it wasn't like this, like a little slow thing.

1:11:14It was like sometimes like yanking to like yes or no, or all around the board. Like what is happening? Like, I don't, I can't believe this. It's, it's out of this world. Well, especially if it was like priestess, what's your number or whatever. Then you'd be like, oh, that's definitely. That's funny. Like, like to that point though, like we'd ask questions, especially the first time we did it we'd be like uh the first time we ever did that's the first conjuring house we asked the spirit like yo do you like us i was like no it was like what do you want from us and it was like go away it was like leave me and give me my peace pretty much and i was like damn okay they don't fuck with us which happens which happens because honestly like spirits are just like people like in real life like lazy yeah yeah i mean if if there's like a bad person you meet in real life there's probably going to be a bad person in the afterlife that doesn't mean they're like a demonic thing but like yeah you'll run into like bad apple sort of people all the time that just don't want to talk to you or anything which is understandable yeah that's wild you kids yeah it could just be somebody's just chilling somebody's having lunch or whatever you guys are bothering them or something exactly like shut up dude some of them do a wii chi board and they're like fuck off like you can't leave it's like you're like calling out like you know cold calling somebody and like god just shut up like i don't want to talk right or they're like I'm gay or whatever.

1:12:27You're like, what? It doesn't matter. You're welcome here either way. You're safe with us, guys. Yeah, dude. Like a long time ago, people cared about that, but that's totally normal now, dude. This is an emotional experience. He's like, really? Some ghost has been waiting forever to come out of the closet, and he finally gets it through a Ouija board. You're like, dude, nobody cares anymore. Everybody, John, is gay. He's like, all right, thank you, guys. 70 % of people are gay, dude. Chill, bro. Chill. But dude, what was crazy about this like recent experience with the spirit board at the Smurl House And this was at the Smurl House and this was where the Conjuring was?

1:13:02Yeah, the Conjuring Last Rites movie Okay, got it. Where they filmed it at? Uh, no Where it allegedly happened at? Yeah, based on the true story They filmed at a replica of this place Got it And it's this tiny duplex Had this been messed with before? Did it look the same as back then? I mean, the family had lived there Yeah, like if you look at the old tapes from Ed and Lorraine Warren, the demonologist that helped try to save this house you'll see like exactly the same layout and everything. Like it looks like it did 40 years ago. It's really. So some of these places, it's like going back in time too.

1:13:34Definitely. Yeah. Time capsules. Yeah. We were doing the spirit board session in the living room of this duplex. And again, like imagine just like a regular house. Like there was literally cheese. It's like on like the counter and stuff like that. Like, uh, yeah, somebody lived there and we uncovered the craziest evidence about the Smurl family that could actually get us in trouble. no joke and so like when this comes out like in on halloween dude it's gonna cause like an uproar and like the paranormal community of things be crazy that's what i'm talking yes sir dude i wonder if there's like an apparent like a bus stop that had like a crazy act like a lot of people i'm just trying to think of neat places that aren't like kind of like um that aren't uh like a building or something where where you could investigate also have there been places like that yeah i mean um where there's not like an edifice like an entity like a building like a yeah i mean like to that point you would think that everywhere could be potentially haunted right like it's it doesn't have to be a location it's just maybe places that are a location have more energy or they were a home in a past life.

1:14:44And so it's like more likely, like you said, maybe a bus stop or maybe, you know, like a favorite area to play is like on a playground or something like that as a kid. You don't know. Maybe something has a deeper meaning or connection to a human and that could be haunted as well. Yeah, there's a lot of times like we'll go to a spot and it's not like haunted by something like evil or scary, but sometimes there was, you know, like a big, like, like for example, we own a spot called For Our Elementary in Iowa. And it used to be like - For Our Elementary? Farrar. Farrar Elementary. It's a school? It's a real school?

1:15:15Real school. You guys own it? We own it. We're principals. We're principals. Hell yeah, dude. I hope the spirits and the students there. And is it functional? It's functional for like ghost hunting tours. Oh, okay. It's not like a random school. It closed down like, I don't know, a couple decades ago. Yeah, it's not like we're teachers. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, we own the school. But it used to be a hub like, what, like 100 years ago where like a lot of people would just go there and party. So all the spirits there or a lot of the spirits there just like hang around because it was a cool spot in life.

1:15:45It was the like center of the town. So not only was it an elementary school at the time, but it was also where people like got married. It's also where people had dances. They had basketball games. They had everything at this like one area. And so a lot of the spirits there are like really nice. So it's cool. And even like outside of this area, like even in the woods or the playground there's always going to be like haunted locations. Crazy. It's interesting to think about how I show up to places And then what I want out of them Whether that place is an actual building You know Or if it's a To show up to spirits Whatever you want you know It's just about like how I show up and what do I want Right You know that could be if I'm going to get an education If I'm going to summon an entity It could be anything you know If I'm going to have a relationship with somebody You know Dude I freaking texted this girl today dude I'm afraid to look at my phone Because I don't know if she's texting back Dude, yeah.

1:16:38Is that it? What was the opening line? Can you spell? Yeah, I met her the other night, and I felt like we had some chemistry, right? I felt like there was something there, right? Cool. You know when you feel like there's something there? Yeah. You know when you meet someone, you feel like there's something there, right? Because you meet a lot of people, there's nothing there. Sometimes you pretend there's something there. Sometimes you have two drinks and pretend there's something there. Right. The two drinks can create something there. And those are not real. That's just you making your own EMFs, right?

1:17:07Exactly. But I felt like there was something there. So I got her number and then I sent her a text today. I said, hey, my buddy was thinking about asking you out. Also, my buddy is me. That's sick. Fuck, she's going to fucking say no, dude. Fuck. Where's your confidence level on here? One to ten? You feel good about this? No. Shit. It'll be all right. It'll be all good. It'll be all right, dude. I don't know. but i was screaming afterwards like there was an entity in me of like that always got rid that is just constantly rejected that energy was fucking summoning like the most rejection in the world but anyway you gotta summon that positivity yeah you're right i gotta change that up a little bit what are some of the most haunted places in america have you do is there even a map that shows that i'm sure you guys know this oh yeah there's a bunch that are like really cool so So what's the most haunted state?

1:18:07Do you know it? Probably on the East Coast somewhere. Yeah. East Coast is like, you got to think it's way older, you know, so like way more history has happened in there. But yeah, there's a couple that are like really, really cool. So obviously the Conjuring House that we talked about is a massive place in Rhode Island. There's a couple of really, really cool spots like the Winchester Mystery House. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. There is a house in San Jose, California. that has like 130 rooms or something like that. It's insane. It was built for like almost a century purely to try to like, you know.

1:18:47Like, have you ever heard of Winchester Rifles at all? So it was that family like owned this estate. Yeah, and it's believed that actually this has become like some sort of hub for spirits. Like there's so many rooms and it's so like known to be haunted that people bring spirits. they like drop their spirits off here. It's almost like a Grand Central Station for spirits now. And yeah, this is definitely one of the most haunted places in America. Like the Hogwarts train station. Yeah. Exactly. That's so cool. You guys went there? Yeah. A couple times. It's really crazy. I mean, even if you don't believe in ghosts, it's one of the coolest things in the United States.

1:19:23It's pretty magnificent, huh? Yeah. And where is that located? San Jose, California. Ooh, interesting. And it's crazy because like all, none of the architecture makes sense. it's like there will be three steps up to a floor and then seven steps down to another floor or like staircases that lead to nowhere or like a door that if you open on the second floor will just drop you down and you'll fall off like there's no patio or anything it's like the most bizarre thing you've ever seen and it's pretty spectacular there's things like that or like on the other side of the United States there's this thing called the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum and it's like the second biggest asylum like ever made or something and there's like hundreds of rooms uh about people that used to get lobotomies and so it's a pretty tortured tortured spot it's one of the creepiest places we've ever been wow that place looks magnificent it almost looks like um university of syracuse it's as big as a university and this that building right there is only one of like 20 on the property it's a historic former psychiatric hospital located in weston west virginia best known for its haunting atmosphere, architectural significance, and role in the history of mental health care in the U.S.

1:20:37The asylum originally followed the Kirkbride Plan, a psychiatric hospital design emphasizing space, light, and therapeutic architecture. Many patients were admitted for reasons now considered unscientific, such as asthma, laziness, and domestic troubles. If you beat your wife, you could go to this asylum. Even if you tickle her hard, if she's sensitive. Dude, people would get admitted like husbands would drop their wives over there if they were like reading a bad book or something. It was bad. Like pretty much you could just leave your wife to die type of thing. But yeah, in that specific location and the asylum was one of our crazy experiences ever.

1:21:19We were just asking out to see if anything could, you know, do a knock or give us a sign or whatever. and between Colby and I we heard like a pretty scary old man voice say the word Lily like in our ears and it was like what? And apparently like yeah we asked around and Lily is a spirit that is known to be like a child figure that's actually more of like this darker entity but like we heard it with our ears and there was like three other people that were around that also like vouched for us that were like, wait, no, there was another voice that was not in between you two that talked. And the camera caught it, so it's on camera, but the recorder that we were using, asking questions, didn't.

1:22:05So it makes no sense that the voice could only show up on one thing. Unless the hertz of it or something was a certain... Is it called hertz? What is it called? Yeah, something like that. Frequency. Yeah, unless the frequency of it, the audio frequency of it, was a certain pitch or pentameter or something. I believe there's so many different like frequencies that we just do not have the ability to uh calculate yeah hearing or seeing like you just look at this color scale of what i can see and it's just nothing it's like i don't know like 10 of actual i don't know whatever you look at we only have five senses dude yeah and they're great i'm not saying anything god they're good but i'm also saying dude what if we had like 40 senses and we're pulling in all that information yeah who knows maybe we will one day when we die.

1:22:52Which one last thing we could go in that would be good for you guys? You guys think that's interesting. Oh, maybe what would make you stay around to be a ghost? That's so funny. Honestly, if Sam still had the YouTube channel and I passed away, I would just like make that shit viral as hell. I'd be following him to every haunted place and just shove him down the stairs. He'd just like torment me, but I'm like, hell yeah, this is the craziest video ever. Colby, are you here? And you just fall down a flat of stairs. Slap me in the face. Oh, he's here, guys. I want to levitate so if you can do that that'd be great dude thank you thank you guys so much man this has been awesome dude yeah appreciate you having us this is awesome it's been cool it's been good to get to meet you guys and just like you know we can just stay in touch or something you know this has been fun and I needed something that was just a good conversation you know so thank you yeah I love how open you are about this I mean a lot of people like ah the ghost whatever that's not real but I feel like you get the mindset that we're going to with it whether or not you believe in it or not like I like the mindset yeah I think well, I think it surprised me, you know, cause, uh, Dave Attell is one of my favorite jokes.

1:23:53He's like, um, I was watching and I'm paraphrasing it, but he's like, I was watching, uh, ghost hunters the other day. It involves two of my favorite things, wandering around aimlessly and sheer disappointment. And I've always loved that joke. It's so good. Right. But I never had thought of it in the sense of like, I want something to be here, right? I want something to be here. And I've been thinking about stuff like that in my life recently, just like meeting God halfway, meeting the spirits halfway that are out there. Like, how can I show up to receive the best things that are out there waiting for me, you know?

1:24:33And that would also kind of translate to real life too, like whether that's spiritual or like, like you said, like show up to your next like friend gathering or your family or like your relationship, like putting in the effort to get what you want out of it. Yeah. Right. Like sometimes I want my holidays to be great and I'll just think that somebody else is going to make them great. Like I go there, I go in the living room, I yell about a casserole or something. I talk shit and I take a nap, then I eat a nap and then I leave and I'm like, God, I wish our family had connected better. Like fuck that casserole by the way.

1:25:06But it's like, that's what I brought to it, you know, but I'm still expecting this other thing. So I think just having a whole nother way to look at that and then to ask, like, if I wanted to, like, my father's passed away, everybody has family members that have passed away, but to say, hey, dad, I'm thinking about you today. Share with me what you're thinking, you know? Think with me. Feel with me. I want to feel your feelings today or I want to know you love me today. Like, not be afraid to speak out. Like, we have this voice in this thing. Like, when we open our hands up to the world, to the sky, to the universe, you feel something, right?

1:25:39that's not mythological so I think that this is just a great reminder before you guys go is there a goat of ghost hunting is there someone like who was the first ghost hunter like is there a goat probably Ed and Lorraine Warren are like the goats they're more demonologists though if you want to get technical about it also Zach Bagans is our king Zach Bagans is our father dude Zach Bagans Zach Bagans. Have you ever heard of him? He has this crazy museum out in Vegas I really recommend going to. He is the father of paranormal. He does TV ghost adventures if you've seen that show. The ghosts are scared of him.

1:26:23Macho dude. Tall. He's like the kid rock of ghosts. Sexy. Everybody loves him. Maybe just me. If you ever go to Vegas you should go to his museum. He's actually like really sick. Not going to lie. He has a bunch of like haunted objects. And we actually got to hold some of the most like haunted dolls in the world here, which is like really, really crazy. Yeah, there's something special that people about to collect these things and put these types of situations together. Happy early Halloween, guys. Yeah, happy Halloween. It's an exciting time. It's always been my favorite holiday. Same. By far, it's the best holiday.

1:27:06You know, only for the spooky stuff, but also just like dressing up. I feel like the vibes are happier now. Yeah, it's kind of the only time people can go talk to their neighbors anymore is you'll run over there. Bag them for candy. Poison candy. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Give me some candy. People don't even know their neighbors, but now they will send their kids. They'll send a kid covered in a sheet, right, with two eye holes that are barely running right through traffic just to go get a baby Snicker. It's a beautiful season. It really is. It's a great time. It's a beautiful season, man.

1:27:37It's time to be alive, for sure. Happy Halloween. Sam and Colby, you guys, Hell Week will be out over the next month. Yes. And those episodes are coming out. And people can tap into what's going on with you guys. Yeah, thanks for just all the years of entertainment, to your commitment to it. I'm sure it's been challenging in certain moments, and we didn't get to talk about some of that kind of stuff, dude. But, yeah, this is just awesome, man. I really appreciate y 'all's time. And, yeah, I'll keep in mind if there's something that I feel that's a little bit haunted that I want to get back to.

1:28:04let us know sounds good man I wish we could travel into our past and deal with the spirit there I wonder if there's a way to kind of like there's a lot of like past life regression talk that like people kind of see themselves in past lives and like yeah or be haunted in past lives type of thing which is really interesting but a whole another story for another time amen brother you guys have a good one yeah thank you man you too yeah thanks now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take