#628 - Tucker Carlson

24:47And it's just an endless series of frustrating cul-de-sacs where you're like, why can't we know this, that, the other thing? I mean, whatever the story is. And in the last two weeks, I feel like I've gotten closer to understanding what's actually going on. And of course, I could be completely wrong, but I'm not. And it's made me so much happier because the conclusion – I've sort of let go of a lot of my frustration and fear because I've realized that we already know exactly what this is. We don't know a lot of the details. You know, could be wrong about this or that. But big picture, we know exactly what's going on.

25:26And I think at this point that if all the information on all these different threads, whatever it is, especially the murders, not just the recent murders or attempted murders, but the more historical ones, if all the relevant information came out tomorrow, would we be surprised? No, we wouldn't. We know what's up actually. And there's enough evidence, but also our instincts tell us just by watching, like, what is this? And I agree with you completely. It's not just about Israel, this country. It's about whether or not self-government actually exists. Like, do any of these countries have a system where the people decide who their leaders are and what the country should do collectively?

26:11Not really. Or it's more complex than that. Yes, I think elections are to some extent real and all that. But in the end, the big decisions are made not by nations or kings or presidents or whatever we imagine. They're made by, you know, the world's richest people. And no, I don't think that's an ethnic group. It's not code language for the Jews. It's what it seems to be. It's the people with the biggest stake in this who have the most to gain and the most to lose are never going to leave the big decisions to like three zip codes in Pennsylvania. Like, come on now, come on now, come on, son. Like, you know that that's true.

26:53And I'm not saying, by the way, I'm not claiming, you know, the all elections are totally rigged or whatever. The source code belongs to Maduro. I'm not making any specific claims like that because I don't know if they're true or not, but I know that big picture, if we, we know that Kennedy was pushing up against some forbidden things and that's why he was killed and who killed him? Well, it's not, it's too easy to say it was this group or that group or this group. It was all those groups acting in concert or parts of those groups acting in concert. Of course. That's all of what this is, right?

27:24Do you feel that? I like what you said about if all the pieces came out, would you be that surprised? Like if they laid the cards completely out. Epstein, for example. You know, the one that everyone's... Right. I feel like that whole thing is some sort of... I think there's definitely stuff there, but then also it's been such a kickball and a ruse for so long. It's like both political parties had a chance to put it out or to get, none of these people are operating on our behalf. That's what it feels like. Well, that's kind of the truth that I'm talking about. That's what we would learn. That's what's scary.

27:54It feels like, well, so many of us believe and have believed and have forefathers that have spilt their blood and risked their lives and, um, and have friends who are enlisted now, um, to protect this thing that I feel like we, this idea of America. Um, and then that idea has gotten super blurry in the past few years. And especially at a time when I think a lot of people, like there's a lot of fears with like technology in the future and not knowing, um, like where we're going to find our sense of purpose, right? That's a big thing that we talk about on this show a lot of our time is like, you know, where, where, where do you find your sense of purpose?

28:37And people find it a lot of times in their job, um, through their family, in their country, uh, through their, uh, religion, through their faith. So, you know, some of those start to go away and some of those even look blurrier for the future, almost like it's like, um, Marty McFly when he looks at that picture and it looks like he doesn't even exist, you know? And so it starts to make you think like, Like, you know, if more of our purpose disappears and our traditions are challenged by media over the years that they're wrong or they're racist or they're this or they're that, then you kind of end up with just, I don't know.

29:12It makes you feel like, well, what do I end up even – what even is the value of me at a certain point? I have the answer. I have the answer. Okay. And I don't also want to sound too dour. Like I'm also looking at it from that perspective. You're speaking for millions of people when you say this. Like everyone can feel, I think people feel exactly what you're saying. And I still also feel like a lot of moments of hope of like, you know, like, okay, so I focus on my family. I focus on my friends. I focus on doing something nice for someone. I focus on somebody else other than myself. You know, I do those things that do give you feelings of meaning and purpose, right?

29:46So anyway, I'm not trying to be like a Debbie Downer, but go on. I think just the opposite. And by the way, I just want to amplify what you just said because that is the answer. And those aren't just feelings of meaning and purpose. That's the definition of meaning and purpose is to love the people around you, not people you've never met, not abstract concepts, communism, fascism, Zionism, whatever your ideology is. No, it's people. That's what it means to live a meaningful life is to serve other people. And by other people, I mean people who are physically present, who are connected to you in organic ways like your relatives, your friends, your coworkers, your roommates.

30:21It's the people God puts in your path. Those are the people you love. You're a waitress. Like that's what it really means to love people. So that's number one, always love the people around you. And whenever I run into people like, I just want to save the world or I want to come up with a new system to make everyone happy forever. And we're going to call it whatever we're calling it. Ketamine. Or ketamine. Ketamine. Yeah. And that's bailing out. There's people falling asleep at the car wash. They just had a guy. He fell asleep in there. Yeah. Well, those of us who've already been down the drug path are a little skeptical of being saved by drugs.

30:55Oh, for sure. But it's also dangerous. Some of those brushes are sharp in there. Like I fucking fell asleep in that car wash. He was in for two cycles. He had a sedan that went through and finally someone in the backseat saw him on the side. That dude was in there getting polished up. And he was a ketamine casual. Yeah, he was ketamined up. He was all K'd out. He was in a K hole or something. It should be known that PrizePix is America's number one sports picks app. The app is really easy to use. To create a player lineup, all you have to do is pick more or less on a few players' stats. That's it.

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35:05Man, I thought I had, I've never done ketamine, but I do think, okay, So the first purpose is to love the people around you in your immediate orbit. And the second purpose is to tell the truth. So the short, the one sentence description of the whole thing that you just laid out, the way you're feeling is that we are discovering that we actually don't have control over anything big happening. We have no control. Right. And all this shit, all these systems that we've created and cherished and believed in and died for, as you said, were all, in some sense, illusory. They were fake because they gave us the false impression that we have control, whether it's over our government or the future or whatever.

35:49We don't have any control. We are on a commercial airliner in a thunderstorm. Okay? That's just what it is. And if you're in 17B, you have no control over whether the plane lands safely or crashes. You just don't. You have no control. we have to metabolize that like like accept that and once you do there's total freedom in that i actually can't protect myself really as we say in my family or like family motto is there is no safety there's only destiny there is no safety there's only destiny and that's like the deepest truth of life like we're not the authors of our lives we can't really control that much about them except a couple of things.

36:30Do we love the people around us and do we tell the truth? And if you want to prepare yourself for the turmoil that's only going to accelerate, this is all obvious, all of us can feel. The reason we're all so freaking anxious is we can feel that this is the prelude to like real turbulence. Like every person, dogs can feel a thunderstorm coming three hours out. We can feel that. Oh yeah, you'll see your neighbor just doing circles in the yard. A hundred percent, dude. And that's exactly, we are the German shepherd starting to freak out in the backyard because the weather's coming and we can't see it.

36:58but they can feel it and we can all feel that. So how do you protect yourself? Obviously buy gold, stash ammo. I believe in all that. But really what you need to do is make yourself strong inside by collecting your people close to you, staying in close touch with them and telling the truth because telling the truth gives you spiritual power. The more you tell the truth, the more you are filled with supernatural power. You become invulnerable. To the extent a human being can be. I'm telling the truth and I don't care if you kill me. I really don't care because what I'm saying is real and it will outlive me.

37:30If you get into that habit, the exercise of just being honest, as much as you can be, of course, you're a human being, so you'll lie all the fucking time because you can't help it. But if you keep doing that, you'll be filled with a spiritual power that is stronger than any other power. Do you believe that our country is compromised? Do I believe it's compromised? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Do you believe that it's reversible? you know I believe so I mean again I'm so old I'm 56 so like I just grew up believing in everything you know you're younger than Leanne Morgan we just had her in here really have you ever listened to her no does she seem old no she's great dude both of you guys look great really she's older than I am yeah she told me she was unless she was lying I don't believe her there's that new thing a lot of women do that they pretend to be a lot older that's like the true Jedi move for a woman to be like, actually, I'm 61.

38:26A conventional woman would always be like, actually, I'm 29, but the really smart ones would be like, I'm almost 70. Yes. That's how they do it. That's right. She's a wonderful, beautiful comedian, and she's hilarious. But anyway, she was a senior, but she's 60 years old. I bet she uses nicotine. Great. I bet. She did smoke, she said, in college. And she wears tight bras because she says it keeps her awake. So I love her. But, um, well, yeah. Do you think it's like, and I guess that's a big question. And also going back to what you said a little bit ago, like you said, but then I look at the history of time and it's like, people have always been under the thumb of some type of rule, haven't they?

39:07And so for us to be like, I mean, it's weird. It's like part of you, it's like, you're supposed to don't be a baby about it. You know, like you're just being like, there's some sort of oppression. And even as people that can feed themselves, we're not as oppressed as so many other people or people that if they turn on the light, they're afraid it's going to act activate a bomb in the corner of their room. I had dinner with a guy who works for us last night, literally last night. And I said, where were you born? He goes, I was born in Eritrea, but I grew up in a Sudanese refugee camp. I came to the United States.

39:38He's an amazing guy and a wonderful, wonderful guy. But I was like, gosh, you know, I'm really, I'm from La Jolla. Right. Stop whining. This is my internal dialogue. Stop whining. Stop whining. I had to fly Southwest yesterday. Oh, no one suffered more than me. Yeah, La Jolla. But La Jolla is for sure the lap of luxury of America. Oh, yeah. And almost every single childhood friend of mine was totally destroyed. Really? Not all, but most. Oh, for sure. Just by the - Drugs. Wow. Drugs. Good drugs, too. Oh, the best. They did not put baby laxative in our cocaine growing up. No, no, no. That was a ghetto thing.

40:16Yeah. No, no, no. God. It was almost blue. We had to wear diapers. It had so much baby laxative. it came with diapers. It came with fucking Huggies, bro. That's shit. We had some stuff. We bought off some pipes. Yeah, no, no. I grew up in a... But anyway, the point is... Right, the point is, though, that there's always been some sort of like... There's always been a rule. There's always been something like that. I think that... The older you are, the sadder it is to see your illusion shattered and the harder it is to pivot. So if you talk to people who are like 23 and you're like, I think the moon landing's fake, they're like, yeah, Gramps.

40:48It was always fake. Like, what are you talking about? Right, who the fuck thought that was real? Look at the video one time. Exactly. so that's someone a friend of mine who's unfortunately gone insane but was a genius called James Carville once said to me James Carville from the Democratic Party he's from Louisiana oh he lives in New Orleans oh yeah no I know him well and he's gone crazy and whatever but he really was in his prime like a genius and someone I listened to very carefully and he once said to me I'll never forget we're in a restaurant in some foreign country and he goes you know people misunderstand the theory of evolution and I was like I can't even do his accent but he'd be like survival of the fittest.

41:23That's bullshit. That's not what he was saying. And I said, well, what was he saying? He goes, it's survival of the most flexible. It's adaptability. And he had this whole incredible rap about strength is not actually the quality that helps you persevere in the face of change. It's flexibility, the ability to pivot with changes that you can't control. Yeah. It's not the mass, it's the sail. Exactly. And in fact, strength can be a feature of, rigidity can be a feature of strength. Like your windowpane is strong as hell. It'll last 200 years. But if you tap it, it'll just shatter. No, you need to be able to move with the moment that you live in.

42:04And so I feel like young people are in a pretty good spot. But yes, for older people, it's hard to, it's very upsetting. I'm sure you feel it. You're much younger than I, but you still feel like, oh my gosh, I thought this was real and it's not. And it's like heartbreaking. It's crushing. I see it a lot in like just my, probably my mother and things like that, see their disappointment kind of, or just uncertainty about what's going on. And they love the country so much. It's real. It's sincere love too. That's the thing. I mean, it's like, it's something that's beautiful that you felt like was a certain way.

42:35And now maybe some ethnicities and cultures didn't feel like it was that way. And so sometimes I can understand that there's different points of view there, But I still believe that the idea of America and what it's been and that its goals and that the humans that want it to be that are – that it's altruistic. A hundred percent. But that you start to realize, oh, that these powers above us, they have something different going on and that they – you would think that they would – I guess they just won't tell us. And so I think that's where some of my fear is. It's just like – Well, evil thrives in darkness.

43:10So there's no doubt about that. It's like, what does it mean to be part of something moving forward? What does that thing even look like? Like if I'm a citizen here now, what is in five years, what is, what am I a citizen of? Am I a citizen of a country that does genocides? Am I a citizen? You know, who am I? You know, like, I think I was watching some of the Gaza stuff and I kept thinking like, well, surely America will come in at some point and help. And stop this. Right. That was like my thought. Especially since we're not, when you say genocide, you're not guessing. It's not like some propaganda term.

43:42It's the definition. And we know that not just from the video of its victims but from the testimony of the people perpetrating it. Members of the current government, hot cabinet secretaries in the current Israeli government are on tape including this week saying we kill them because of how they were born. Is that true? Oh my – yeah. Like what's an example of that? Smotrich Ben-Gavir. oh, look, we need to get them out. Let me see that, man. These are people who were born there. I just want to see if that's - Oh, it's insane. It is? Because look, people, you know, you often hear apologists for what's happening there, for the atrocities say, well, look, it's war, people die.

44:23Okay, one of the reasons I'm not that enthusiastic about war because innocents die. We always have to oppose the murder of innocents or else we're not civilized. What is civilization? We're on the good side. We're civilized. They're savages. There are a lot of savages in this world. I know some. And what separates the savage from the civilized person is the civilized person will never accept the murder of innocence. You didn't do anything wrong. We can't kill you. It's that simple. I don't like if it's unfair. That's the definition of unfair. You didn't do anything. A child didn't do anything.

44:55Yeah. Or an unarmed woman did not deserve to be murdered. And who is this? That's Smojir. That's the finance minister of Israel.

45:11The truth is, until the last hostage returns, we shouldn't even give water to the Gaza Strip. For a year and a half we've been beating the hell out of Hamas. We're breaking Gaza apart, leaving it as a pile of rubble. With total unprecedented destruction in the world, and the world still hasn't stopped us. The aim is to achieve the one and only required outcome. The conquest of Gaza, the annihilation of Hamas. and the return of all the hostages. In one word, victory. So that's their view on it right there, you know? He's saying we're killing people and leveling the country in order to move the population out.

45:50So how is that different from saying there are certain people in my capital city I don't want here, I'm going to put them on trains and move them east. There's no difference. People are being killed and expelled from the place where they were born because of their bloodline. That in the world that I grew up in, which is the United States of America, the main lesson, the lesson of World War II, the reason we fought against fascism was we reject that. Yeah, that's the thing. We do not kill people or expel them or put them on trains or put them in internment camps or move them to, quote, third countries, as Smotius just said, because of how they were born.

46:26Exactly, because of their bloodline. Because we don't accept that because we're Christians. We think that every person was created as an individual and judged as an individual, period. We don't believe in this shit. That's the enemy of civilization right there. The Israelis, to be clear, are not the only people who think this way. Plenty of people think this way. But we are better than all of them because we don't think this way. And all of a sudden, you've got people in the United States, current United States government. You've got people in our media class. They're all defending this because they agree with it.

46:54And then you see people jumping up and being like, Muslims shouldn't have jobs in the United States or in the U.S. government. It's like, how is that better than saying Jews shouldn't have jobs or Christians or Buddhists? It's all the same. That kind of thinking is genocidal. It leads to the genocide we're watching right now in Gaza and to many other genocides. For the fifth time, it's not just Israel. It does this, okay? But this is what we're fighting against. This is why we're better. Why are we better? Because we have more and better shopping? Or because we have Mount Shasta and Key West? No.

47:24Because we have some moral compass. Exactly. And we're able to also take care of ourselves at the same time, I think. But our moral compass is what? But it's based on what's north of our moral compass. We don't kill innocents. And yes, we have, and we regret it, and we grieve over it because it's wrong. That's our moral compass right there. If you didn't do anything wrong, we don't get to kill you or expel you from your home because you're innocent, because we believe in justice, also called fairness. That's the whole fucking point of this country. And so when I see people arguing against that or calling me a Nazi when they're literally wholesale adopting the Nazi mindset.

48:05But then I think, you know what? I'm not mad. This is the state of play in life. It's always been this way. And my job is what? To love the people around me and to tell the truth no matter what. And I think that's freeing. Yeah. Well, I do think once you say like, yeah, if I get to a point where I can just share what I think or what I feel, whether I'm right or wrong. Yes. If I can speak up for my feelings. But then also, if you look at our history, we kind of, America did that to other people when it started. Yes. And you would think that we'd learn that it was wrong, and that's where we are now.

48:38Well, we've acknowledged that it's wrong, I think. I mean, look, you can acknowledge something is wrong without self-flagellating to the point where you're incapable of going forward, which is kind of where we are. It's like you can't do it to the point where you're incapable of going forward. Like, oh, well, we also, this mistake was made not by us. This mistake was made by people in the past or at that time who believed that colonialism was fine and that was a different – people were playing by a different set of rules. But that's the whole point of America is that we have like standards of decency, fairness.

49:10I love that you use that word because that is the core of it. It's fairness. Justice is overused. Fairness is underused. It's just – a child knows what's fair. If his brother is getting three Oreos and he's getting one, that's just unfair. He doesn't have a degree in economics. He just feels it. He knows it. The sense of fairness is innate. Dogs have it. because it's part of the natural fabric. It's organic. And we are a fair country. And the rich man gets the same treatment and the justice system as the poor man. It doesn't matter where you're from. You're both citizens and you're both equal because you're both created by God.

49:42That's our whole system in one sentence. And that is being eroded because the people who run our system agree with Smotrich and every other third world dictator. These people are damned by their birth, whatever they are. That's what affirmative action is. It's like, no, I don't like the way your parents looked. You don't get the job. What? That's what we hated about the Nazis, what we hated about segregation, which I want to say was evil. Segregation was evil. Why? Because it punished some people and rewarded others on the basis of things they couldn't control, their skin color. Yeah, and we'd had mixed babies a lot sooner too, which are pretty cute a lot of them, to be honest with you.

50:15There are all kinds of other effects. But like fairness is what we need to preserve. Why is Epstein infuriating? Because it's unfair. That's why. Not just because he molested kids or his buddies molested kids. It's because the president of Harvard was involved in it. Alan Dershowitz, all these famous people. Prince retard, whatever the guy in Great Britain, the kind of retarded looking prince. Yeah, that guy is awesome. Bill Gates. All the most powerful people in the world got away with it. And there's tons of child molestation in America, but there's expectation that they'll be punished for doing it.

50:47These people we know in our hearts will never be punished because they're rich. But we don't know. That's unfair. We don't know for sure that they molested children, though. We don't. We don't know for sure. But we know that there's never been a real inquiry into it because the people around it were powerful and rich. That we can say for sure. And that's still happening. OK, well, that'll say is that, yeah, there's obvious that there's not of it feels like there's an unfair investigation that's or a lack of investigation or it's just this lie that keeps getting remodeled. It's this clay of a lie that keeps getting remodeled and put into the museum in front of us all the time.

51:22But go to all your neighbors on the street and ask them. Oh, everybody thinks something happened. No, but ask them, like, if your name popped up as, like, a visitor to Petto Island 11 times, do you think you would, like, be protected in the way that all these other people have been protected? Of course not. You have no money and power. You'd be ground beneath them. Oh, Darshowitz had a fast pass, I think, if anybody had one. That guy's unbelievable. I don't know. But I don't know anything. That's just allegedly. So I have to pee really fast. Good. I'm going to go, too. You are? Can we go together like women?

51:49No. No? Good. I like your attitude. Nope. Anyway, we just took a pee break, guys, so we're back. Why do you think that you made the anti-Semite list? I think because I'm not an anti-Semite. Right, and I get what you're saying. It's like if they can— No, no, but I mean I'm literally not an anti-Semite, and I reject anti-Semitism as totally immoral and anti-Christian. So I'm not only not by temperament an anti-Semite, you know, a million Jewish people I love, I also reject it as a way of thinking. Yeah. Yeah. And so why would they call me that? And it's sincere. Again, for the fifth time, if I was, I would just say so.

52:28And I'm not. So why do they call me that? Well, because I think they think I'm effective because I'm not a hater. Right. So they have to take out the guy who actually might change people's minds. But I think it's deeper than that. I think there's a spiritual dimension where they want me to become an anti-Semite and a hater, both so they can control and dismiss me. Oh, he's a Nazi. He's David Duke or whatever. He's crazy. but also because some of the people pushing this are evil. And by evil, I mean specifically they are committed to lying and violence. And those are the hallmarks of evil, lying and violence and chaos and division.

53:02So they're not going to play by any other rules. No, no. This is not – so we're not in a – we're not where we used to be or we used to pretend we were. Where we all thought we were playing by the same rules. Right. And the rules were if you have a better argument than I have, then you win. Yeah. And may the best argument win. We're so far beyond that. And I think the murder of Charlie Kirk was the moment when we could just admit it to ourselves. This is a guy whose whole life revolved around the proposition. Let's debate. And they didn't want to debate whoever they is. They murdered him. And to be specific, who killed Charlie Kirk?

53:33Well, I don't know is the short answer. But when we do find out if we ever do, I doubt we will. But if we do, I think, again, we'll not be surprised. It's just all tentacles from the same octopus, and the octopus is evil. Right. It's not an ethnic group. It's not a country. It's evil. This is what evil is. What is evil? Evil is a commitment to deception and violence, period. That's what it is. So it's too easy to be like, oh, it's Netanyahu or Smotrich or whatever. No, it's evil. It's existed from the beginning of time. It will exist until the end of time. And it has been the thing against which people have fought through all of history.

54:10It's evil. It manifests itself in a million different ways. But its hallmarks are always dishonesty and violence. it feels like we've been a bit afraid to stand up against evil um does that make sense to you of course it does john rich was just talking about it on your podcast the other day and i thought that that was a really neat episode wonderful and i um i learned a lot about john rich and just like his clarity of thought i thought was really neat we were on a hunting trip and uh pheasant hunting trip two weeks ago when we did that he can shoot too which is nice can he He can. He was bringing them down.

54:40We had a lot of hits, I know. But that, yeah, but we shouldn't be afraid of it and we shouldn't be. So my struggle is against being shocked. Like every time I learn something, I'm like, holy shit, I can't believe. I'm so, I can't believe it. Like this or that institution is corrupt or this or that person is lying. And it's like, I'm acting like a child. Why would I be shocked? That's what this is. What did you think it was, dude? We live in a fallen world filled with dishonesty and violence. My job, all of our jobs are to fight against those things. Yeah, people always want to be in a war. People are always like, man, I wish I had something that was like a challenge in the world.

55:16It's like we are in a fight of good and evil. We are. And it's not to say that any of us are perfect or that we don't all have mistakes or things that we wish we had done or not done. But overall, it does feel like this is like a video game of good versus evil. And you have to start to see that like you're a player in it. This is why you're so effective. This is why, you know, at some point people may try to make you be quiet is because you approach all of this with humility, which is one of the hallmarks of good in my opinion. Like almost every sentence you begin on this topic begins with, I'm no one to judge and I'm not, you know.

55:55That is the posture. Humility is the posture. And one thing you notice about evil is its certainty, is its judgmental, condemnatory quality. You know, Mark Levin, you're evil! You're fascist, anti-Semite, Nazi, Islamist, whatever. Its mirror image is what you just showed, which is, you know, we're all kind of screwed up, but we're trying to get to the truth. Like, that is, that's the approach. That's the posture. That's the way to tell the truth. Well, I think that's what most people are doing. That's what most people are trying. Because that's truly honest. Like, I've been wrong about so much.

56:29Am I really going to stand up and be like, I am positive this is like, no, I'm doing the best I can. That's the only honest way to approach it. When especially like as a country, when you're paying into taxes and you're showing up to vote and you're trying to help your neighbor and you're, you know, you're trying to follow the rules and do the best that you can. you, you know, you, at a certain point, that's like, you're, you're, you're giving into something as a group that you're like giving into something like, this is how we believe that we should behave and that it best suits us moving forward.

57:01And then when it's, it's really started to just feel, and I think it's kind of obvious at this point that the higher ups are not working for us anymore. They're not working with us. And that's what I think has become the most evident in the past year especially is that people are like oh our no matter who we elect on which side whatever it is it's all this sort of shell game and we're finally starting to see some of it and i thought it was interesting that um well not working for us is the is the kind of the most benign description like not working for you that's just indifference that's abandonment that's when your parents like go on vacation don't come home what's happening to us is having like a creepy stepfather like i actually think there's malicious intent here.

57:40But how could so many politicians and stuff get compromised? That's what I don't understand. Wouldn't there be more people that stood up and said, hey, this isn't right? Like, I, I, I, that's what I find hard to believe. Well, um, because they all made the deal and all of them, all of them make the deal and the deal is not always explicit in the deal. Everyone thinks it's about sexual blackmail, which is totally real. All the porn sites are visible. Like go to a porn site.

58:33people know exactly what you're looking at or whatever, like, does that, like, you know, like, I mean, definitely pedophiles. Slurping on little fellas. I mean, pedophiling is bad. It is not good at all. It's horrible, right? But if you're just, like, looking at pornography, I'm just like. That's not the answer, though. That's not most of them are not being sexually blackmailed. Some are. I mean, I think the Epstein thing was probably that to some extent. But no, it's much deeper and more recognizable and part of our daily life than that. It's much more insidious than that because it's less dramatic than that.

59:04it's the deal that we all make with ourselves to get what we want like i want to be powerful i want to get re-elected i want to get rich i want to bang that girl and you make these compromises with yourself in which you consciously decide to be dishonest you decide in some cases violent that is true or whatever how do you get so many people though because like you look at some of these system itself is that like you get in order to get elected i have to do the following things I have to basically subvert democracy by carrying water for a tiny group of people against the interests of my actual voters.

59:43Like that itself is a sin. It's a crime. But it's so ubiquitous you don't even notice it. It's deals like that. I'm going to take money from a foreign lobby that somehow isn't registered as a foreign lobby or whatever. I'll support this thing that I think is probably pretty wrong but I'm going to do it because I have to. It's those kind of moral compromises that wind up making people slaves. And that's what they are. They're slaves. We have hundreds of slaves, otherwise known as members of Congress. And what are they slaves to? Evil. Because they've made these compromises in order to get what they think is the prize, which is re-election.

1:00:15It's a crazy movie. It's real though, man. I know, that's a crazy - But it's all of us. Like all of us have made that deal. That's why it's so important to reframe it in your head. It's not just some freak on Petto Island, you know, banging a child and then, oh, they have him by the balls because they have videotape of him. No, no, no. It's all of us. If I just do this thing, it's worth it, man. It's for the greater good. It's for my family. It's for, you know, I need, you hear this every election season. Right. I need a vote. I need a, I don't want to vote for this shit, but we need to control the Congress.

1:00:45What is that? You're making a deal with the devil, dude, with the devil. That's what that is. Bat on before me and all of this will be yours. That's the deal. Don't make that deal because you lose yourself. You lose your freedom. All of a sudden you're a slave and you see these politicians, they're like, oh, no, it's not. No, there are good reasons for doing this. No, really. What is that? It's not a free man. That's an enslaved man. And you know the people who are free because they exude this kind of peace and joy. And they're like, no, I don't care. I'll say whatever I think is true. You can shoot me.

1:01:17Go ahead and shoot me. It's not going to change anything because you're lying and I'm not. It's freedom versus slavery. And we put ourselves in slavery with that deal well the pain of like of holding on to like lies and stuff like that yes and shame and stuff like that it's really but haven't we all lived that you've lived that right for sure yes well that's why getting sober is so liberating not just because you're not on drugs or alcohol which is itself liberating but because you admit what you did and then you're like oh man i admitted i was a cokehead or i drank vodka in the morning in my case it's like it's pretty fucking embarrassing.

1:01:54But once you admit it, it's like - I was putting Alps in my butt. Yeah. No, it's Zin. Sorry. Alp is oral use only. Alps for the front. It's the pouch for your mouth. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Yeah, Alps for the front. They should say for the front on them. They should have a special. We may do that. We're going to get that hat. Because we already have for oral use only the pouch for the mouth, but this goes in the front. But you're going to have like some urethral injuries if we're not more specific. Dude, I used to date a girl and her cooter was like way more in the front than it was like kind of in the lower part.

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1:06:44That's F-O-R the people dot com slash T-H-E-O. This is a paid advertisement. Like, do you think that if we elected different officials, that things would be different? Or do you think that no matter who gets in there, that the compromising happens these days. No, I think, I think leadership is the most important thing. Why doesn't somebody come up with an app and that tells us like who, like what elected, like who's running, right? Cause a lot of people don't have time to focus on exactly who's running, right? They don't have as much time. They're busy. Both parents are working. People are running around.

1:07:21They're picking their kids up. They got to get their kid to T-ball. They've got to make sure their kids get fed and they have to make sure that the, some, one of the parents is there to read them a bedtime story for the other parent goes and works on that as a security guard somewhere, just to make ends meet, right? So why don't they have like an app that says, okay, these are the candidates. This one doesn't accept any money from any of these places. It feels like it would be very easy and obvious to create an app like that that would tell you exactly who to vote for. I think that's right. The problem is we're getting to a point of like knowledge about things.

1:07:53Like people sort of are figuring out what's going on that in order to be honest now, Now you have to be truly honest. If I think people are so wary of being lied to that if you sense that someone's like got to, you know, I'll be all honest about this stuff but not about that thing. That's not enough. So true honesty, also called integrity, is what is needed. It's hard. Well, you get killed. You know, you get killed. Like the system itself, and this is not the result of any foreign power or any, this is just like the nature of systems, will work to expel you the same way your body works to expel bacteria or cancer.

1:08:31It's like the organism doesn't want this. And you see it. I've known very few honest members of Congress. I've known a couple, however. One of them just left Congress and the other is being primaried. MTG you're talking about? Marjorie Taylor Greene? Exactly. And Thomas Massey from Kentucky. And by the way, I don't agree with everything. It's not even about that. What does being primaried mean? I'm sorry to interrupt you. It means that your own party says, we want you out. And so we're going to run someone from your party against you in the primary. Your party has turned on you. And it's like, what is that about?

1:09:05And it's about not simply the fact that he disagrees with them on foreign policy, which is really the whole project really is just foreign policy, nothing to do with like your tax rates or your debt load. Yeah. He's like anti-APAC. He's bigger against those types of things. He's not for pointless wars. So that's a deal killer. But it's not just that. It's the he. So yeah, the Israeli lobby is mad at him. Got it. But it's deeper. It's he won't be controlled. And if he doesn't think something, he's not going to say it. Period. He may be wrong, but he's sincere. Sincerity is the kryptonite. That's what makes the evil person die is sincerity.

1:09:43No, I really mean it. I'm not kidding. I can't be bought. I'm totally sincere. If they smell sincerity on you, well, that's why they're calling me. the most dangerous anti-Semite since Adolf Hitler himself. It's like, what? Because I'm not a genius. I'm not powerful at all. I'm a fucking podcaster. Like I don't have actually any power, but I'm not kidding at all. I'm completely sincere. I may be wrong. I often have been, but I'm not joking. Yeah. That itself. So they're hassling me. Imagine if I was a member of Congress or a presidential candidate or anybody who has sincerity is marked immediately because that person's a threat to everybody currently benefiting from the system.

1:10:27And you saw that with Marjorie. Yeah, what do you think happened there? Because a lot of people say that allegedly she made a lot of money off of stock returns and stuff like that. That just cracks me up. That's like saying, you know, have you been, I know, I was just talking to Tim Dillon the other day. He was a friend of mine, awesome guy, but. He's the best. He is the best. And, but, you know, he's, everyone, they're all claiming, he's taking money from Qatar. Yeah, me too, they say that. Oh, they say that about you? Yeah. I went there once. I had a blast, dude. I'm going tomorrow. Are you?

1:10:53I'm buying a house in Qatar. Why am I doing that? Because fuck you. Not only have I never taken a dollar from Qatar or anybody. I have no investors. Zero. I have no debt. I don't owe anybody anything. Period. And never will. I'm never taking money from them. I'm going to invest money in Qatar. I'm going to do just the opposite. Just to give the finger. Plus, it's a great country. Dude, I had a great time when I was there. They treated it super nice. I know that they have different rules and stuff for their people. and that we may disagree with some of them and stuff like that. It's like, but those aren't my rules.

1:11:23I don't have to, you know, like if I go visit, I have to live by their rules. But if I'm from our country, then I can live by our rules. I completely agree. But they accuse you of what they are and what they are is corrupt. So Marjorie, did she make a ton of money trading on stocks with insider information? I bet my house she didn't. I mean, this is somebody I know well. You do know her well. I know her well. and you can agree or disagree with her, of course, but you can't say she's in it for the money, really? I don't think so. I don't think she's interested in money. I think she's interested in the country.

1:11:58And again, we can debate whether she's on the right track or the wrong track. You think her ideas are smart or stupid, but her sincerity is the most obvious thing about her. And it's also the most threatening thing about her. In fact, it's the only thing that they hate is sincerity because sincerity is purity and it can't be bought. And so of course they accuse, The first thing they're like, oh, you must be getting paid by somebody. No, I'm not. And that's why you hate me. If I was as corrupt as Dan Crenshaw, you really think they would hassle me? Dan Crenshaw, the guy from Texas? Yeah. Is he corrupt?

1:12:30Well, on a moral level, he's completely corrupt. I mean, he takes orders from his donors to do things that have nothing to do with the welfare of his voters. So by definition, he's corrupt, yes. And also crazy and drunk and all the rest. Sad, sad. I'm not actually. Oh, I think I met him at a nightclub one time. Yeah, well, I'm sure you did. But I shouldn't be. I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw being serious. But anyway, the point is the more corrupt you are, the more they like you because they can control you. What they don't want is someone who might do something unexpected who they can't control.

1:13:03That's what they fear. Obviously, it's what everybody fears. But do you think that as well, for so for Marjorie, do you what do you think happened in that meeting? Because you had a meeting, I guess, with Trump. I don't know. I don't know what happened between her and Trump. I know what happened to her over the past five years serving in Congress, which was she was like. Trump withdrew. Trump withdrew his political endorsement and publicly insulted Green, labeling her as a traitor due to her vocal opposition to his handling of Epstein files and other policy disagreements. Yeah. Green announced her resignation effective January 5th, 2026 to avoid a divisive primary challenge.

1:13:40But why not? Is it divisive? Huh? Is it divisive? A primary challenge? They're divisive. Oh, divisive. I've never figured it out. They change it so much. Yeah, they do. They do. Do they? But why not go and challenge then? Why secede then? Why not go and say, okay, I'm going to keep fighting and people are going to support you? I honestly don't know the answer. You don't? The only thing I know, I really don't. I haven't talked to her about it and I don't know the answer. I'm sure there's thinking behind it that I'm not that great at, you know, thinking about what the right move in politics is. But I know big picture what happened because I saw it up close, which is she showed up very much like any other person.

1:14:18It's like this country has problems. I want to fix them. And she shows up and all people are like, shut up, honey. She was getting too close to what the truth is. And the truth is the people running the system are completely corrupt and the welfare of their people, our country's people, is not even on their list of concerns at all. They're beholden to the people who pay them. and or who threatened them. And she said that out loud. And oh, man, she had like very few allies. Once you say that, you're marked. So I think she concluded, this is my understanding, she concluded I can't, I'm having no effect here at all.

1:14:55It's driving me crazy. And the Epstein thing, you know, I've never understood what the justification for keeping that information secret. Epstein was murdered in prison, okay? I know a lot about it. I'm not just throwing that out there. Epstein was murdered in prison. Well, they put him with a cellmate that was kind of a crazy, like, former police officer, right? Yeah, a former police officer killed a number of drug dealers. I'm not saying that guy did it, but I'm saying, well, I asked Bureau of Prisons because I learned all this stuff about it because I know Epstein's brother, Mark, well. And I never expected to get down this rabbit hole at all.

1:15:31The guy called me, like, a week after his brother was killed. Mark did? Yeah. And yeah, I was literally sitting in my backyard in Maine and he called me and I don't know how he got my cell. And it ended up this years long thing. It's not interesting and I won't bore you with it. But the bottom line is Jeff Epstein was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the secure unit. I think there were only 16 men on the unit and I think only 14 there. I may have that slightly wrong, but it's very small and it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States and he got murdered in it. So that raises all kinds of obvious questions.

1:16:06Like, who has the power to do that? So that's a big deal. And then the attorney general at the time helped cover it up. And I know him. And Bill Barr. And I say that, and he's like, oh, I'm going to sue you. And I said, go ahead and sue me. I hope you will. And what's the answer? Like, why don't you answer? He never will. Well, it turns out, and this does make you crazy, that his father, Donald Barr, is the a guy who started Epstein's career, who both gave him his first job, for which he was not qualified, and then got him his second job at Bear Stearns, for which he was definitely unqualified.

1:16:39What is that, a former CIA guy, OSS guy? But anyway, the point is, that question of how an American citizen, kid toucher or not, could get murdered in federal lockup in our biggest city, like, holy shit, that should scare everybody. And then the Attorney General of the United States is covering it up. He admitted, this is the attorney general when Epstein was murdered said I told everyone around me we need to make sure the country believes this was a suicide it's like you haven't even done a freaking investigation you're a you're the chief law enforcement officer and you're telling me the outcome before you even look into it how do you know that because he admitted it in his autobiography and so I'm not guessing at any of this stuff okay so so I call bureau prisons and I'm like I want the names of the inmates who were serving on this block because clearly nobody got in or out of the block it's right well it also was a question our fault to our like um to our prison system it's like how would you not know like obviously this is the guy you have to protect they did it on purpose and he was murdered clearly by another inmate and there is so much i mean i did like an hour on this anyone interested can look it up but i i'm not a conspiracy nut at all i've been a journalist my whole life.

1:17:55I've often been wrong, but I've always been attentive to what I believe the facts to be. I think it really matters whether you're accurate. And I've tried to be. So it was not a perfect storm of screw-ups. They never did the investigation into how this guy died. They redressed him in clothes that he wasn't wearing when he died for pictures in the hospital infirmary. All the records of what happened to his body are gone. And critically, we cannot get, and I tried directly, by calling the attorney general's office, I want a list of the names of the inmates who are on the floor. It's publicly available.

1:18:26They're convicted felons, dude. This is not secret information. It's not national security information. Why can't you tell me that?

1:18:34They allowed him to be murdered in federal lockup. So leave all the Petto Island stuff out of it and just ask yourself, how can we continue to live in a country where a high-profile inmate can be murdered in our prison system by some... Who's powerful enough to do that? Right. And so these are not only legitimate questions, they're essential questions. And like, we're mad at the people asking them. That's the weirdest thing. Fuck you. Yeah. Sorry, I'm trying to get it. No, that's one of the craziest things right now. It feels like the people you're supposed to be able to ask, you can't like you.

1:19:09We're the weird people now for asking questions. Like, it's like you get labeled as the weird guy for asking questions. They just don't let them into your head. They just said that lady, Bari Weiss or whatever her name is. and she was on ABC. One of the greatest liars in our public life. Did you see this video she said? I think she mentioned you in it. She's an unbelievable liar. The last thing that I'm beginning to sort of reckon with right now is the extent of profound anti-American and anti-Jewish sentiment on large parts of the American right. A lot of the illiberalism on the left that came from the fringe into the mainstream of the Democratic Party began as a fringe online movement that a lot of Democrats and a lot of liberals waved away because it was just some crazy influencers online.

1:20:03and woe to the people that still are telling themselves that and still believe that the things that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are saying will not make an impact on the right because they will. Everything about that is just so amazing to me. I'm anti-American, really. Family's been here for 400 years. I have no allegiance to any foreign country. I put my country first and you. It takes a lot of balls for Barry Weiss who acts openly on behalf of a foreign country. Her only concerns are not American concerns. They pertain to the fortunes of a foreign country. Do they really? Oh, yes. Yes, that's an informed statement.

1:20:43And calling me anti-American? You can say that Carlson's an asshole or whatever, but she has to call me the one thing that she is, which is like this weird psychology, I have to say. Calling me a hater, I'm a lot of things. a buffoon, a hothead, bad table manners, whatever, fat. I'm not anti-American. That's all I care about. I wouldn't say fat. Maybe holiday chubby, maybe. Okay, so that's the first thing. You seem like you own a couple of Build-A-Bears probably, but just the seasonal ones. I think you always look like you're ready for Christmas. You know what? I wear the same clothes and it keeps my weight down.

1:21:18I'm so cheap, I'm not buying new clothes ever. And I wear size 36, and if I get above that, I'm just going to suffer through it until I stop eating donuts. but anyway and I'm not attacking look here's what I'm saying I think Barry Weiss is super energetic but why is this somebody who's supporting a different country and not our country first calling me anti-american right but also it's like okay Barry Weiss is a vocal supporter of Israel describing her views as pro-Israeli she's a quote Zionist fanatic calling me she's a self identified Zionist fanatic calling me whatever obviously I'm being too literal but why does she get to be the head and and I don't know the lady but why does she get to if if her allegiance isn't to America first.

1:21:55How is she the head of an American network? Well, that's, of course, an entirely fair question that you're not allowed to ask. But here's the deeper thing that I've been meditating on recently is that a lot of our overlords like Barry Weiss are actually totally mediocre. And the most depressing thing about the United States in 2025 is that we're led not just by bad people, but by unimpressive, dumb, totally non-creative people. Barry Weiss has no experience in journalism at all. Like she's never committed. She's like an opinion writer or whatever for the New York Times or something. She's not a journalist, like never written a freaking story in her life.

1:22:27And she's dumb. She doesn't know anything. So that's fine. Lots of dumb people. My dogs are dumb. I don't hold it against him. But for you to ascend to the top of whatever pyramid you think you occupy and you're not even impressive, like Bill Ackman, same thing. Bill Ackman's worth like $8 billion or something. It's fine. I don't care if Bill Ackman, whatever Bill Ackman does, but I know Bill Ackman, he's kind of dumb. He's not ever created anything. He's totally non-creative. How do these people wind up running our biggest institutions? And the reason that's significant is because if you pay close enough attention and you realize that the people running everything are stupid, then you think, well, actually the system is truly rigged on behalf of people who do not deserve these positions at all.

1:23:10It's not just that I disagree with Barry Weiss or she's calling me names or I'm calling her names or whatever. It's like in no fair system and no meritocracy would Barry Weiss rise above secretary. Like actually, and I mean that. I've been in this business my whole, I've been in this business since Barry Weiss was breastfeeding, okay? There's no world in which Barry Weiss rises to the top of a news network except a rigged world. That's it. Does that make sense? It's like shocking to me. Right, they're not like, people aren't even putting their best people in front. It's almost a humiliation exercise.

1:23:42It's like we're going to take someone as stupid as Bill Ackman and give him$8 billion. We're going to take someone as stupid and totally non-creative, like literally uninformed. Like she didn't even know who Assad was. Like she's an idiot. And we're going to put her in charge of CBS News just to show that individual merit, energy, creativity, which is the most important thing. Creativity is what a healthy society rewards because we are designed to create things. That's why we're not animals. We're human beings. The creative power is the spark that distinguishes us from all other species. We create things.

1:24:18God created the world. He created us in his image. And we henceforth create things. So creativity has to be the most rewarded factor in any healthy society. And now, because our society is inverse, it's upside down, creativity is penalized. How dare you say that? It's not what every other drone is saying. It's not what the machine tells us to say. and Barry Weiss, the single least creative human being, the single most robotic, what are the talking points? Repeating them, that person winds up at the top of the pyramid. It is, that is what offends me. It's not that she loves Israel. I don't give a shit what she thinks of Israel.

1:24:53It's not that she criticizes me. Obviously, I don't really care. It's that her presence at the top of CBS News means all of those institutions are totally fake. That's why. All of what institutions? The news institutions? Well, that institution, Wall Street, if Bill Ackman, you tell me one, and I'm not even like moralizing, and I don't hate Bill Ackman, but like Bill Ackman's an idiot. Who is he? I don't know him. He's a hedge fund guy who's made most of his money by short selling. And that means I go on CNBC and I attack your company, its stock price falls, and I've made a reverse bet against the stock price, and I get rich.

1:25:30You tell me how that benefits your society. Talking about American companies? Like, how is that productive? How is that the act of creation? and it's the act of destruction, and I give you$8 billion, the whole system is rigged, okay? Well, I think a lot of people feel that now. They feel like the system is rigged. They feel like there's no way for them to win. They feel like it's all insider trading. They feel like it's Hollywood or the news creates a narrative that affects what goes on. But it's garbage. The movies are garbage. The mass media, all of it is turning out slop. I understand that, but how does that evolve?

1:26:03How do things get better? it those institutions are done so our job again is to love the people around us and tell the truth and in that act we make things better okay because new okay dude you got the second biggest podcast in the world or something i mean i don't think i haven't looked at the charts but okay we're doing good i know you're number seven i've been in this my whole life you've been in this like i don't know you're a stand-up comedian and all of a sudden you're like dominating global podcasting it's like how did that happen that's the new it's just one example but that's the new institution yeah dude we're doing our best dude no but it's working that's the point my friend said these glasses aren't even real the other day are those not those are pretty ugly to be fake if you're gonna buy yeah if you're gonna buy fake glasses like i everybody hates these i just got them they used to call those birth control glasses really yeah those work you're never gonna impregnate anyone in those classes.

1:27:00Would you know my name? Dude, I'm never going to knock anybody off. You're right. You're right. You're totally right. You know what? I think you just overcame your eyewear with that. You break out the acoustic clapton and even I want to sleep with you. I totally agree. No, but I think for all that, I do think, what's the phrase they use? Black pill or whatever. Everyone's like, so it's all falling apart. That's a stage on the continuum. This is an arc of consciousness and you realize, holy shit, everything is terrible. It's falling apart. And then you get through that. This just happened to me.

1:27:32I just got through it. And I'm like, yes, but a new world is being born, like for real. And it's beautiful and it's honest and it's creative. It's not just, it's not fake. Everything, what you hate about the modern world is that it lacks creativity and creativity is the human spark. It's the energy that makes you different from the chair you're sitting in. and that is is bursting out everywhere and i love it well they i saw an article the other day um did you see about how oh with tiktok right with social media with trying to own the companies right did you see that video with yet and yahoo for the um tiktok ownership this is wild bro This is a time.

1:28:22You can't fight today with swords. There's a word very wrong. But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we're engaged. And the most important ones are the social media. And the most important purchase that is going on right now is class. Somebody said by followers. How hilarious is that, dude? That's the best. TikTok. TikTok. Number one. Number one. And I hope it goes through because it can be consequential. Imagine saying that. What is that? Why did he say that, do you think? Why did he just confirm every crazed anti-Semitic conspiracy online? Jews control everything.

1:29:05And there's literally the prime minister of Israel being like, yes, we control everything. Why would he say something? First of all, he, like Barry Weiss, is kind of stupid, clever, ruthless, but stupid, not creative at all. There's that. But there's a deeper reason because he's trying to inspire hatred. He's trying to inspire hatred. Yes, we control everything. And I'm not falling for it. I'm not going to be a hater. I don't care what they do. Well, I mean, we're being a hater in the sense where like if you hate against him. But I guess if you're saying it's evil, then yeah, hating evil isn't wrong, right?

1:29:37But here's what I'm wondering. It's like if you teach me like growing up like about the Holocaust, you teach me about Nazis, you teach me about evil. and then I take what I've learned, right? And I apply it to the world and I see it. I see it point blank. I see it in Gaza. I see it in the Middle East. I see it in Palestine. And it's the first one where you see these things happening. It's almost like, well, if I had seen slavery on my phone, I'd be like, this is fucked up. If I had seen, you know, it's like, it's the first thing you see. Did you see that chick who was at some conference recently?

1:30:12I think she was like Carmela Harris's speechwriter, former speechwriter. And she's like, you know, we made a huge mistake, like talking too much about the Holocaust. Cause now people are comparing what's happening in Gaza to the Holocaust. But it's like, don't come in and gas like me to think now I'm wrong for seeing this. And then, and then imagine if we never should have mentioned the Nazis because we set absolute standards of behavior that we're now failing to meet and we're being blamed. It's like, are you? And then now when this guy says they want to buy TikTok, so that the influence is different.

1:30:43Like, it's just like, I don't understand. But to say it out loud. Why are we the only people that feel, or why aren't more people activated about this? It's like watching. Okay, but can I just make you feel better? It's like watching something horrible happen and we can't even ask our own country for help. That's the crazy part. I can't believe that half of our representatives aren't speaking up and saying something like, hey, we're going to shut this down. This is wrong. We're not going to let, because wasn't he condemned by the ICC for? Yeah. They don't care. He was a condemned war criminal, right?

1:31:15Is that right? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And I just don't understand how regular people, comedians, and a guy who loves Johnson and Murphy from Maine are the ones who are fucking having to speak up about that. Like, what is going on? Well, that's the beauty that I'm talking about. That's the new world being born. And sorry if you don't love Johnson and Murphy. I don't. These are like my Turkish grounding shoes. Those are nice. They're so ugly, but I got these from someone else in the nicotine business who's like, dude, these will ground you to the Earth's essential forces. Really? I don't know what that means, of course.

1:31:49I have no idea. But I am originally from California in the 70s, so I kind of fall for shit like that. Look like you could smoke in them for sure, dude. Yeah. But I'll say this. I smoke a few cigarettes in those in my life. Every time I see a Johnson & Murphy, I peek my head and I say, hey, Tucky. I say that when I see it at the airport. I don't really know what it is. It's like a shop. It's like a Brooks Brothers kind of. Oh. Yeah. No, I buy my clothes on eBay always. But anyway, sorry, it wasn't a negative. No, no, but here's the point, though. It wasn't a negative thing, Tucker. This is the beautiful thing.

1:32:16You think it was negative? No. I never get the reference. I'm so fucking out of it. But we're like in this moment where the old is going away and the new is on its way, and some of it is menacing and scary and hard to understand, like AI or crypto, okay? Could be good, could be bad, could be both. But it's big. But some of it is just totally recognizable. It's called the human spirit, and it's irrepressible. you can't actually extinguish it no matter how many people you kill and no matter how many lies you tell it will always sort of bubble up around you and it's bubbling up now in a big way and and i would just last thing i want to say like if you really are worried if you feel like oh there's this international conspiracy of people to oppress humanity and to kill humanity that's obviously true degrade us enslave us obviously true like not even a guess that's happening but who's behind it go and read some of the Epstein emails that have been released.

1:33:09Thousands have been released. And ask yourself, like, as a human, what's the first thing I noticed? Jeffrey Epstein was a fucking idiot. He could barely speak English. He was from Coney Island, and he was like an idiot. He was like an idiot. He writes like a moron, okay? We're being oppressed by dumb people. We imagine their geniuses because they're evil, but we miss the obvious signs that these people are stupid. They are stupid. but they are not as impressive as like the normal people in my world. Jeff Ramsey was an idiot. So we have this like picture of like the diabolical genius pulling the strings.

1:33:45I'm moving this population here and this population. I'll give them the COVID vaccine. But really you've got like just thugs. They're just like nightclub bouncers. We have billions of dollars and they're idiots. They're head injury patients. Bill Ackman, like he's a fucking idiot. Jeff Epstein, it's true. Barry Weiss, like, I'm not too worried about Barry Weiss taking over the world. I don't care how many billionaires hand her news organizations because she's obedient to their preferred country. She's still an idiot. Sorry. Yeah, I've heard Tim Dillon talk about her, but I'm not that familiar with her.

1:34:20He knew her very well, I think. He did? So I think Tim, and he can speak for himself, but as I remember the story, like, he was in her orbit. And, you know, I know all the people, of course, in her orbit. and some of them I like. I've never disliked Barry Weiss personally. She's very charming, I will say, and very energetic, which I love anybody. But he was like buddies with her and they were going to parties and then like, well, he can explain it better than I could but my understanding is he's like, one day he's like, killed a lot of kids in Gaza, I think. And I think within like 10 minutes she was like on the phone with his agent, gotta fire Tim Dillon!

1:34:54Wow. Okay. So I guess our friendship wasn't built on the foundation I assumed it was. It's like – and dumb people are very much like that. They have like one interest. They're what we call single-issue voters. Like there's no nuance at all. I remember her – do you remember when she attacked Tulsi Gabbard, who's a beautiful soul, just a good person? Yeah, Tulsi's very nice. She sent me a couple of nice messages over the years. She's just a great person. She's an honest person. Very thoughtful. Do you remember when he attacked her on Rogan? And Rogan in his – Oh, yeah. Rogan stood up for her. In his wonderful way.

1:35:28He's like, I'm not sure – what do you mean by that? you know, and his Rogan-like, not attacking back, but just like explain yourself a little more. And Barry Weiss was like, it was like you caught her on the john or something. She was like, oh, I have to explain the casual slander I threw at her. She had no fucking idea what she was talking about. Oh, it was the word toady. She didn't know what toady meant. She's a toady for Assad. And it's like, oh, there it is. Oh, my memory is still in place. And she couldn't define toady. According to multiple accounts from listeners and subsequent commentary, Weiss struggled to define Toady in that specific context and failed to effectively back up her assertion with specific facts, being flustered during the exchange.

1:36:05The moment was wildly circulating in clips online and frequently brought up by critics of Weiss as an example of a journalist using obstantiated labels or neocon talking points. No, it's an example of someone who got a 350 on the English SAT. Okay, this is a dumb person. We don't know that. Okay, but somehow got a job at the New York Times. You don't know what Toady is? Like, she's in the word business, baby, you know? Well, I just don't understand how, like, why isn't there, like, you used to believe that everybody that was elected was campaigning for America first, right? Like, America first was the thing.

1:36:38That's our system, right? But that's not what's going on. Well, it's, of course, just the opposite. I mean, look at the country. So the country's dying not because the people are bad, because of bad leadership. Yeah. Leadership is everything. I used to, you know, you get brainwashed growing up here, and you're like, no, what really matters is how most people feel. No, what really matters is the willingness of your leaders to actually die for you as you would for your children. Like, it's that simple. If they love you, they will – your country will prosper. If they hate you, it will fail. It's super simple.

1:37:05They don't like us. Okay, got it. Got it. And what do you think that we could do differently? I know that John Rich on your show that – one thing that was interesting, he said that he felt like a lot of Americans have just kind of cowered and watched this kind of happen. Don't be a bitch. Yeah. He was pretty adamant about it. Don't ever be a bitch. Yeah, that's right. he was speaking mostly about Christians, but also about Americans, that they've just kind of cowered and sort of let this, like, let evil policies, evil things come in and not stood up for their own voices or stood up against their own fears.

1:37:36Do you think that that's true? Oh, gosh, it's the truest thing. I participate in it. There are plenty of things I'm just like, I don't want to deal with that. Oh, yeah. Or I might take a loss. Oh, yeah, what am I asking if it's true, dude? Take a loss. Yeah, I do too. It's not, I hate to point, one of your, as I said a minute ago, one of your tics, verbal tics that I just, I want to emulate and I want to be like this is you preface every attack or assessment of someone else with a self critique. You're like, I've done a lot of shitty things, but I think that person's doing a shitty thing. Like that's a really good habit to get into just because righteousness is good.

1:38:09Self-righteousness is evil. And there's a big difference. Well, your ego is very scary. That's a thing. So scary. It's the scariest thing. It's the scariest thing. That's what kills you. If you're a man anyway, way, for sure. The ego is very scary. But yeah, have there been like, yeah, where is the leadership supposed to come from now? Like if we can't believe that our politicians are going to guide us, right? Well, the system is obviously changing, you know, just like the media. Okay. I went into this in 1991. It's, I can't, I could write 10 books on how different it is. Everything about it, not just my perceptions of it, but the systems itself are totally different.

1:38:41And so systems evolve and we're clearly at the end of something in the beginning of something else. And I can't know with any precision what we're moving into, but clearly it's not going to be like what we had. Like, we know that. Because this system doesn't work, doesn't produce anything worth having. It's obviously dishonest in a transparent way. A lie doesn't infuriate you unless you know it's a lie. Now we know it's a lie. So by definition, we can't keep doing this. And Barry Weiss can be like anyone who disagrees with Netanyahu is now imprisoned, and you can do that. I'm sure she would love to do that.

1:39:12But it's still not going to work because you're going to have prisons full of people who still disagree with Barry Weiss. Like you can't change people's minds by force. It has never worked and it never will. So our system is reaching the end of something. I hope it's not, I love our system. I hope it's not destroyed, but clearly it's going to change. It has to, it will. It feels like it's going to happen fast though, doesn't it? It's going to happen fast. And I just hope it's not too destructive. I don't want chaos, man. That is, I've seen that in foreign countries and it's scary. There's nothing scarier than that.

1:39:41It happened in your state. It happened during, I saw it during Katrina. Woo. Yeah. I was like, I can't believe this is happening. You know, just for a day or two where there's no cops and there are kids running around with guns and like shooting. I was right next to a guy who got shot to death. Like what? Yeah. Yeah, people listening to young boy just popping off to doing who knows what. That's what chaos looks like. It's so bad, man. Yeah. I don't want that at all. And there'll be a lot, yeah, there's a lot of guns in this state too. So people, there's a lot of guns in every state, but. Especially in my house.

1:40:11But yeah, but I'm not the only one. And I don't think in the end Oh I think how it all ends is blacks Versus drones that's how I think it ends And I've said this before and I believe that Can you game it out for me A little bit how does that play out Because like You know the news over time and everything it makes white People look bad White people the devil blah blah Yeah whiteys you know During like the Trump campaign they were like Every southern person or midwestern person was the only you know piece of shit you know just all that the white people started ending up on a lot of pills and stuff like that and just confused about their own value and stuff like that and that's been unfortunate um because there's a lot of great people but um it's actually one of the greatest crimes ever in this country it's unbelievable it is but black folks i think are still like fit they're still like you know they've kind of gone through this um you know, they've had such an origin story in America, right?

1:41:13Enslaved, and then like, their origin story is the best to be the victor in the end, right? I feel like their origin story makes the best arc, character arc, to be like the hero at the end. So I think it ends up them versus drones, versus like the drones owned by evil folks. And I think that's how it ends, you know? Who wins? I think you got to go. I think I would go with black folks. I would go with any people over the drones. Yes. But I think it's going to be black folks help us win it, and they're going to defeat the drones. How many will it be best of seven? I don't know. We'll see. And will there be advertising?

1:41:55Will it be brought to you by prize picks? I have no idea, bro. That doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, bro, it's going to be – And that's where I think that's how it ends. Well, one of the reasons that, you know, all those years they called me, no one ever calls me a racist anymore, but they used to for years when I was at Fox. Racist, racist, racist. And so I really thought a lot about, am I a racist? And no, I'm annoyed by certain things for sure, but I'm not a racist at all. And not just because I think it's immoral to be racist. I'm not a racist because black people, what do we think of black people?

1:42:28Like the most American in here. I'm talking about African-Americans. hundreds and hundreds of years. Like, if you believe in the country, if you really feel like you're part of it, your ancestors are buried here, you're going to die here, which is how I feel. It's like, you're in it with black people because they've been here since day one. You know what I mean? There's like a, it's an American, I feel that actually. Yeah, I'm not, I think it's, I don't know how, like, I don't, I mean, definitely it's a wild group, black folks, but I think they love to get in. They love to like, they love competition.

1:43:05So I could definitely see them getting into it with drones, dude. And that's how we met. Well, I'm rooting for them. Oh, yeah. I'm rooting for blacks against drones, for sure. Hell yeah, dude. That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. And also - Do you think that, I mean, it's tough though to fight drones. Black people can figure it out. You think so? I think if they, once they really apply themselves to a sport, they start to crack the codes pretty quick. You know? You put the hit stick on a drone, dude, I think they'll figure it out, dude. I hope so. It's going to be exciting, dude. That shit's going to be one of the best things ever.

1:43:37And some people will be able to watch it. You'll be able to watch some of it on your phone. Really? Yeah, dude. Blacks vs. Drones, for sure, dude. Have you checked with black people about this at all? Bro, they're down, bro. Black people are down in a heartbeat. Black people, it's Theo. You guys ready for Blacks vs. Drones? Dude, flight people love to play games, bro. They love to have a good time. So I think if you, and if drones are just shooting people out in the streets and stuff, like if one of these companies like Palantir, like they were using in Gaza, it comes just starts popping off here, which now has a data, like isn't Palantir, they're able to, they're going to do our data now, aren't they?

1:44:12Aren't they, aren't they going to oversee us? I don't know. I see a lot of, a lot of people referring to that, but I'm just going to have to plead ignorance on the details. And this is allegedly, But there's articles that allege that they have weapons attached to drones and that they're able to figure that out. Palantir Technologies holds multiple major contracts with the U.S. government, particularly with the Department of Defense, highlighted by a recent U.S. Army Enterprise Agreement valued up to$10 billion over 10 years. Let me see. Consolidating 75 prior contracts into one for software and data services to boost military readiness.

1:44:48now just keep it that looks like it's from wikipedia which is obviously controlled by cia this is perplexity right here what's that perplexity is a company that advertises with us it's an ai oh really yeah oh good it doesn't scold you ever not yet but some of that stuff's getting pretty wild did you see um that they were just paying chat gpt israel just paying chat gpt to adjust their sentiment towards them. Is that true? That's unbelievable. I don't know if it's true or not. I want to find out in a second if we can get this article up here. So the problem is going to be YouTube. Oh. Does YouTube stay open or not?

1:45:26I think. I mean, that's the vector. Candace Owens is like the most famous person in the world because of YouTube. Yeah. YouTube is the backbone of all of this stuff. And if there is some, God hope it doesn't happen, but if there's some act of violence in the United States that can be used as a pretext in the same way that January 6th was used as a pretext to shut down all these people, they'll kick people off. My fear is that people, there will be a crackdown on YouTube. And at that point, that's a big, that would be a true disaster for the country. If they kick people off of YouTube? I think.

1:46:00Oh, I agree. So if there's an act of violence, whether it's organic or not, because some of them are not organic, sorry, that's a fact, a proven fact. But whatever the cause of it, if there's an act of violence against innocence and it's described as a hate crime, that it's not crazy to imagine and that could be used to tie people whose opinions are unpopular with certain groups. Those people need to be off YouTube. And all of a sudden there's an emergency meeting with Sundar Pashai at Google and it's like, I'm sorry, you cannot have purveyors of hate like Candace Owens and me or you. You can't have them.

1:46:34These people died because these podcasters said hateful things. You have to take them off. But we're not saying hateful things, are we? Well, obviously, I'm totally opposed to hate. I mean, that's like my whole life is against it. When you hate, even in your heart, even silently, you make evil stronger. That's a fact. It's a physics principle, dude. The only reason I bring up this stuff about Israel is because they're doing a genocide. I couldn't agree more. If I was in Nazi Germany and I saw bad things happening and I didn't raise my hand, or if Nazi Germany was trying to buy a bakery next door to me and I didn't be like, hey, mustache guy's buying the bakery.

1:47:11It's like, who would I be, right? I don't understand what you want me to do. Get out of my face and I'll stop thinking about you. You just can't train me to think one way and then show me a replica of it and not expect me to have the same sentiments toward it. That's what I understand. And to call someone a bad guy because of that is crazy to me. This article says, the government of Israel has hired a new conservative-aligned firm, Clocktower X LLC to create media for general Gen Z audiences in a contract worth 6 million. At least 80 % of content Clocktower produces will be tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms.

1:47:47Clocktower. Clocktower will integrate its pro-Israel messaging in the Salem Media Network properties, a conservative Christian media group that boasts a vast radio network and produces high-profile shows such as Hugh Hewitt Show, Larry Elder Show, and The Right View with Laura Trump. Oh, look at that Former Trump manager Brad Parscale Oh, that is so disgusting Brad Parscale is doing that? I don't know him, is he a nice guy? I know him He's a sad guy, very sad guy In its contract, Clock Tower does not reveal much about what kinds of messaging will be promoted on behalf of Israel Wait, Brad Parscale took money from the Israeli government to do that?

1:48:32I don't know, former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale the advisor who hired the controversial micro-targeting firm Cambridge Analytic during Trump's 2016 campaign is at the center of the Israeli government's New Deal. So Brad Parscale, I don't think is an evil person. He's a weak man, for sure. I mean, demonstrably. But for an American citizen to take money from a foreign government to secretly propagandize on behalf of that government, without saying it, is really, speaking of unpatriotic. I mean, that's just, I hope that's not true. Well, it just, it's like at this point, it's, um, and I guess, I mean, Israel's certainly allowed to advertise wherever they want.

1:49:12Anybody can do this sort of thing. This isn't advertising. This is, so advertising is not threatening because when it's just straightforward, you see a billboard for jeans and it's like, buy my jeans. Okay. It's your choice. This is basically subliminal messaging. This is an effort to subvert what you think is true by making it dishonest. I'm paying you to lie on my behalf. That's what this is. And you don't disclose that you're taking money to do that. And everything about this is dishonest and wrong. And any American who would take money for that, again, speaking of anti-American, really, who's the audience for this?

1:49:48It's American citizens who think they're tuning in for conservative analysis, and actually they're getting the point of view of a foreign government. Like, how is that okay? Brad Parscale? I don't know how we, I just don't understand. I think, yeah, I think it's just, I don't know. It's a tough time because you realize, oh, you thought all these things were in place that were keeping our country. You thought our country was taking care of us. But it's not the case. Would you take money from a foreign, would you take, if, let's take Israel out of it. Maybe you didn't, maybe it's, that's not true.

1:50:17That's a naive old thought of mine. It's like, yeah, you realize now that that's not the case, you know, but I think it's like, where do we go from here? Well, let me just, I mean, I don't want to be judgy because I've done all kinds of bad things. You've been judgmental already. I have been. That's one of my weaknesses. Self-righteousness is the trap and I fall into it for sure. But you have, but let me just ask you if, again, take Israel out of it because it's so emotional. Any country, well, let's go with Qatar. You said you like Qatar. I really like Qatar a lot and I could defend Qatar, but would you take money for if a guitarist like okay we'll pay you 10 million dollars or 6 million which i think is what breb parskel got supposedly we want you to just subtly shift your message to be pro guitar don't tell anybody you're taking this money but just feed our line to your audience without telling them that you're doing it would you accept that money no i wouldn't do it of course not of course not of course you would never do that no i wouldn't do something i wouldn't let people pay to have a person on this podcast, I wouldn't let somebody, I wouldn't do that.

1:51:22Of course. Do you feel like the people must be trying to, because the podcast is really big. Yeah. Sometimes they do, or somebody's like, hey, Qatar asked if we would do one from their country, right, during a UFC fight, right? And I thought about that and we're trying to figure that out. But I didn't feel like it was the best kind of setting, sort of. And now would I go back over there sometime and spend some time? Sure, I would. I had a great time. met some really neat guys because a lot of the guys over there they're in the Throbes and stuff Thobe they're in the Thobe which are pretty awesome dude they're nice because you can have no underpants on I don't think any of them do I think they're like kilts I like that yeah yeah it's full freestyle country oh god talking to somebody and just feeling your nuts bang against your legs while you're standing there but the person has no idea that's crazy dude no I totally agree bro that's like that guy like the hunchback of Notre Dame kind of you know oh did he go freestyle too no but just him I just imagine like a handicapped guy inside of my legs ringing my nuts with like a rope or whatever, you know, like a bell, you know?

1:52:21Boing! Really? So you picture like a little gremlin under there. Yeah, just be fun. Like Paul and the dong cords. Oh, dude, if your nuts had real bells inside of them, that shit would be sick, dude. Imagine the pain, the force of that ringer hitting the sides of the cast iron is a lot. I wouldn't want that anywhere near. That's true. I bet if your nuts weighed even two more ounces, it would strain you so much. Dude. Yes. I bet your nuts have the perfect weight to them. I think that's the whole theory of evolution, isn't it? We evolved to have perfectly weighted nuts. And our ancestors who had, I don't know, disproportionately weighted nuts, they didn't reproduce.

1:52:59So their genes died. Average human testicles each weigh about 15 to 25 grams. Wow. That's a... So how would you compare that? It's like about an eight ball. That's a couple eight balls. A couple eight balls. How many grams are in an eight ball? I think it's eight, right? 7.5 I think yeah it depends on where if you're getting it in Baltimore it's probably 6 in there yeah I think that's right those are the baby laxative oh 3.5 oh gosh it's been too long so that's how rehabbed you are dude I love that did you hear that did you hear his genuine ignorance about narcotics damn you are better I'm losing street cred though dude I can't even fucking dude I'm you forgot how to freebase at this point is it baking soda or cleaning fluid I can't remember.

1:53:44I've been selling really good eight balls, man. Oh, dude. What else was I going to ask you about? Yeah, but it's just, so somebody's like, what do you, why do you care about it? Because I just think that it's like, yeah, you can't allow a country. I don't know. Well, I don't care. I can't wait to stop. I can't wait to stop. I can't wait to stop. I'm so beyond sick of talking about it. Sorry. I'm sorry that I brought it up. No, not with you, but I actually called the Israeli government more than once. And I was like, okay, I got it. Just stop. You're going to get me killed. just stop taking money from my country.

1:54:15I won't even criticize your genocide because there are lots of bad things going on in the world. That's true. That is true. They're not the only ones, okay? That is absolutely right when they say that. They're not the only country committing atrocities. Oh, no, our own country's committed a lot of atrocities. I agree. I totally agree. I think it's all coming out in the snow right now, but it's just crazy. How about we just don't send any more money for those atrocities? I don't think that's too much to ask. If you would stop it, if you get out of the Oval Office, no more visits from your prime minister.

1:54:42This is insane. There are so many countries in the world that actually matter. Your country doesn't matter. It's the size of Maryland. You have no natural resources at all. You are irrelevant except to the extent we promised to defend you. So how about you just go do your own thing? We wish you well. And I will never think about you again. Why do you think that doesn't happen? Because they can't exist without us. And so rather than just say that, we get these lectures like, oh, America can't exist without Israel. It's like, why are you even talking to me? First of all, at some point, I'm offended.

1:55:12Stop lecturing me, actually. I'm from here. I'm not a perfect person, but I really care about this place because I have nowhere else to go, and my ancestors are here. Stop. But they won't stop, and they're constantly calling you names because they're committing bad behavior. It's like... I spent 30 years not talking about this. You think I didn't notice? You think I didn't know what was up? I'm from Washington. I know what's up. Yeah. And I decided I don't want to talk about this because there are all kinds of other things I want to talk about. I don't want to fight with these people. I'm not against Israel at all.

1:55:43I like visiting there. It's great. I don't want to fight. It was only when Trump gets elected in November, and by January, they're in the Oval Office, foreign officials from Israel in the Oval Office demanding that we pay for a regime change war against Iran. And I'm like, come on now. Come on now. We just had this election. I campaigned for Trump. I was literally at Madison Square Garden. And it was heartfelt too. I didn't do it. No one paid me to do it. I did it because I meant it. And I love Trump personally. I still love Trump personally. But it was like that whole election was about we've had enough of this.

1:56:15The Iraq war didn't work. It didn't make us happier. It really hurt everybody, including us, especially us. I don't want it again. Just back off. They didn't wait. He got inaugurated on the 20th of January. I was there. I was in the room. and like days later they're there demanding that we back them in a regime change war and i knew this because because i've been around and i talked to all the people like i can't believe this is happening and then in june they we came really close to getting in like a full-blown war with iran i remember that we spent billions in this totally pointless exercise they're continuing to try and make us do this so it's from my perspective it's like i'm not obsessed with israel you just back off and i'll never mention you again i don't want to think about you at all because you're meaningless actually.

1:56:59You're a tiny country that has no strategic value at all. So just as long as you stop trying to control my government, I'll leave you alone. Well, sometimes it starts to seem like it's a video game and they've always controlled everything and that and then like that's and like we're just now realizing it's like I've said this a couple times but it's almost like like if Super Mario almost like looked at the screen one day and like looked at you playing with him instead of just like follow your demands on the screen. Like if one day he just like fucking sat down and fire and like looked over at you and was like, hey, what the fuck are we doing here?

1:57:30You know, it's almost like that's where it's - Just like broke the fourth wall. Yes. Basically. No, I mean, that's - Like if he's just like, ah, I'm so tired of fighting this dragon. You know, it's like, look, let's just let Bowser live. Let's just chill out. You know, like if I just wonder - If it became real. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's exactly the process. That's where we are right now. And I think that's what you're saying. It's like, yeah, if you can just let go of like - this, that, cause it's, sometimes it's anger that fuels that, you know, sometimes it's fear. Some of it's like, yeah, a lot of it's fear, I think uncertainty, safety.

1:58:08Um, but if you can get the anger out of it and just let it go and be like, I'm just going to do my best that I can, but I'm going to be brave and speak up when I can. Um, even if I'm wrong, you know, that's the thing. It's like, I wish more people were speaking up sometimes, even if they're wrong, I was kind of like, do you think that enough like pastors and preachers didn't speak up during the Gaza conflict? That almost blew my mind. Does that make sense to you? It's the most heartbreaking part. I mean, from my perspective, as an American Christian, Protestant American Christian, it's like, yeah, of course, I think what Israel is doing is disgusting.

1:58:45I mean, it's indefensible, but my real like rage, like what I'm actually upset about, if you're at dinner at my house, I never talk about the, I never rage about the Israelis or the Jews at my house. I just don't feel it. My rage, my actual personal rage is directed toward my people. It's Protestant, Christian, evangelical pastors who have made deals with the Israeli government or have theology so deranged that they think their Christian faith requires them to support the murder of children, including Christian children. And I know some of them and they believe that. And that to me is very hard to forgive.

1:59:24Like I need to be a better person. I need to keep them in my prayers because I really feel hostility toward those people because they are the betrayers. Israel in the end is acting in its own interest or what it thinks is its own interest. Those people, what's their excuse? And they're going out there and giving sermons about Candace Owens on Sunday. She's not in the New Testament. Okay. Are they really doing that? Big time. And that is not, whatever you think of Candace Owens, like I love Candace Owens, but maybe you hate Candace Owens. We can all agree that your opinion on Candace Owens has no bearing on the future of your soul.

1:59:56Okay? That's not Christianity. It's nothing with Candace Owens. So, like, if you are giving sermons against Candace Owens, then you are betraying your people. Okay? And because you're misrepresenting your faith, Christianity, and those people. I clearly need to calm down about them because they're truly the villains in the story. That's my opinion. of course because you're always mad at the people you know best and like Israel whatever go do your crazy Israeli things but American evangelical leaders defending Netanyahu and you know how many Christians have been killed in this that Israel has murdered what do Christians have to do with it you're telling me they're Islamists too now is that true?

2:00:37oh it's totally true and one of the reasons they hate me is because I keep pointing it out how do you know that's true Tucker because they've blown up two churches in Gaza and killed people in the churches What do the churches have to do with this? You're telling me that this is some existential battle between Islam and civilization. That's not true, by the way, but let's say it was true. Then why are you blowing up churches? Oh, it was an accident. Oh, really? You have the technology to put bombs in people's pagers, but you accidentally blew up two churches? It was not an accident. They did it on purpose.

2:01:08They've killed a lot of Christians on purpose. And I'm probably the only person in American media to point that out because I'm a Christian. So I get to say that if I want. Shut up, Nazi. Why aren't there more? Where are the Christian leaders in this? Yeah. So now you've pissed me off. I'm sorry, man. I didn't know. Whenever we're talking about anti-Semitism or the Nazis or Israel or whatever, it's so fake to me that I don't get upset. This is real to me. Oh, the Church of St. Porphyrios. St. Porphyrios. Yeah, it's a famous church. The Greek Orthodox Church, one of the oldest in the world, was hit by an Israeli airstrike on October 19, 2023.

2:01:42The strike collapsed An adjacent church-affiliated building where around 400 to 500 people displaced were sheltering, killing 18 people. The Holy Family Church is the only Catholic church in Gaza Strip. This church has been a central shelter for Gaza's Christian community. In December 2023, two women were reportedly killed by a sniper while leaving the church. In July 2025, the church was struck by an Israeli tank fire killing, injuring 10, including the Paris priest's father, Gabriel Romanelli. Well, why hasn't the Pope spoken up about it either, I wonder? Has he spoken about it? What did the Pope say about it?

2:02:15No, I'm not, I don't keep track. I'm not Catholic. But I was going to church here in town and I was just shocked that people weren't speaking about it. And that's moments where you start to feel like, am I crazy? No, no, in the evangelical world, and not all, this is a very broad brush. I know a million, I had dinner next to one last night. He was just a wonderful person. And there are lots of tons, tons of great evangelicals, but their leadership in general has not only refused to condemn it, they've defended it. And at that point, it's like, this is the great deception you read about in the New Testament.

2:02:43If this isn't a great deception, Jesus's message is not to kill children, okay? And if you're telling me that it is, I don't need a theology degree to say you are a false prophet and you're going to have to pay for what, I mean, you are like taking your soul into your own hands when you say shit like that. That is so the opposite of the message. This is not a religion of conquest and violence. It's the opposite, period. How can you read it and tell me otherwise? Oh, well, in Esther it said, okay. But why are they doing that? But because this Israel is not the Israel from the Bible, right? I've tried to have this conversation.

2:03:19Okay, sorry. And if it is, tell me how. Yeah, it doesn't feel like it. What are you even talking about? And I'm not a theologian. I'm a freaking Episcopalian. I admit I know nothing, but I do read the Bible every day. So I just don't see what you're talking about. So you tell me what you're talking about. This is the Israel we read about. This is the inheritance of Abraham. No way. How? How? No way. Is it genetically the same? is it are the people who live there now related to the people we read about in the old testament if they are we have dna tests tell me how that works oh those are banned okay so then you tell me it's the same religion how is it the same religion there's no temple like what are you even talking about by the way maybe there's a good answer that i just don't know i don't understand but they literally never even try to answer the question it's shut up nazi including from christian ministers calling me a nazi because i asked oh big time and again not to make it about me, but I just want to be honest about it.

2:04:13That upsets me. Whereas, you know, Netanyahu also called me a Nazi. It's like, you're just some dumb politician. He called you a Nazi directly? Absolutely. That's crazy. Of course. Yeah. My tax dollars are paying his salary. Oh, he's, oh, he's, I can't even tell you, but yes, of course. But it's the Christian pastors. When you ask a simple question, you're telling me we have a duty to support, quote, Israel, because a verse in Genesis tells you that. Okay, fine. That's totally fine. What does that mean? What is the Israel you're talking about? Shut up, Nazi. It's like, you're a Christian pastor and I'm a faithful, imperfect Christian.

2:04:51What pastors were saying that? Are there specific pastors? Dr. Mike Evans, Heritage Center? No, no. Listen, right now we have a movement within the MAGA movement that is anti-Israel. It's serious because it's led by Tucker Carlson, who is very close to vice president. It's coming out and saying worse things presently the Nazi party said. I'm saying worse things that the Nazi party said? I'm totally anti-Nazi. I'm totally anti-hate. And above all, I'm anti-blood guilt and collective punishment, which is what was bad about the Nazis. Let's remember. And this guy is a Christian minister or supposedly or something.

2:05:25So it's this kind of thing that actually does get under my skin. That's my problem. I should just shrug it off, but I have a lot of trouble shrugging it off because it's such a distortion of my religious faith that I have trouble letting it go. I'm just being honest. Well, I think it's brave to be able to speak up. Sometimes if you're right or wrong, it's brave to try. It's our obligation to try. I was quiet for 30 years. I shouldn't have been. I shouldn't have. I didn't want to fight, but I shouldn't have been. And people say, well, you get information wrong. But if information is given out that's wrong, then how do you expect someone to know accurate information?

2:05:56Dude, I'm telling you, it's really simple because this is the business I've always been in. I ask questions. Hold on, you have stuff right here. I have nicotine. and I wanted to say how good it is. It's an opportunity. It's a form of advertisement. Like I let it hang out of my, my wife's not here to lick her thumb, which she does, which is kind of hot. But you say you've got stuff on your face. Then I get to pause and say, it's not just stuff, Theo Vaughn. It's nicotine. It's Alp, the pouch for your mouth. Yeah, you got a little mogul right there. Yeah, but you don't see it back there. Yeah, that's right.

2:06:23If I was using Zin, you'd be like, wait, your lower back is covered with this weird white shit. Why is that? I don't know. I've definitely done some things, but I'll say this. Pope Leo XIV has reiterated the Vatican's insistence on a two-state resolution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying it's the only solution that can guarantee justice for both sides. Leo made the comment as he flew from Turkey to Lebanon. May I ask, there's been a change in the spelling of Turkey. It went from Turkey to Turkia. Turkia. This is like the Kiev-Keeve change, and no one notified me? They probably bought letters.

2:06:58There might have been a letter deal or something. Let me see. Turkye Turkye maybe they're trying who knows man Turkye and I and like I was just in Turkye and they were calling it Turkey and do you feel like it's hard for a lot of Jewish people to speak up about this because they're afraid of like alienating other Jewish friends that's what I found with some of my Jewish friends like they'll talk with me about it and stuff like that but um and my Jewish friends are fine if I'm if I have different views on Israel right like it doesn't mean I have different views about them uh But if I don't like what a government's doing, including our own government, then that's okay, right?

2:07:34One of my Jewish friends, former Jewish employee, actually called me this morning. Talked to him for like an hour and a half about other stuff, not about Israel. But in the course of the conversation, he told me that he had said something to one of his coworkers about Netanyahu. He didn't like Netanyahu, whatever. That's literally, he's Jewish. I don't like Netanyahu. And that coworker went to his boss and called him an anti-Semite. What? That's crazy. I think there's that. I also think there's something else going on, which is sad, which is I think a lot of what I'm seeing happen to Jewish people, including friends of mine, people I know, is there's so much yelling about the Nazis and the Holocaust that people are getting really freaked out.

2:08:16and I've had people I have known for decades and love call me like, are you a Nazi? Dude, it's me. No, I'm totally anti-Nazi. What are you even talking about? Why, everyone says you're a Nazi. This happened to me at dinner recently. I won't even tell you. I was a well-known person. If you were a Nazi, you would have a tank or something. No, but also like - You would not be in loafers. Well, I might be wearing my Turkish grounding shoes. You're Turkish? And by the way, they leave a little green spot on the bottom of your foot. I like that, huh? That means you're winning. That means you're grounded to the earth.

2:08:48But no, I think it's making people really paranoid and afraid. And I think that that's on purpose. And terrified people are really easy to control. That's what happened to us after 9-11. The Muslims are coming. 19 Arabs with box cutters. I know. I'm going to say that. I said to one of my kids last night at dinner, I was like, I'm making a pledge to you as your father that I'm going to use the phrase Arabs with box cutters every single day. And I'm going to laugh every time I say it because it amuses the shit out of me. Like, you're going to make a conversation and someone's going to be like, Arabs with box cutters.

2:09:22It's so fucking funny. Anyway, all of us believed the Arabs with box cutters thing for all those years. And it made us so freaked out and afraid and threatened that we went along with all the stuff that was really bad for us and the world. And I think that a similar op actually is underway in the United States with Jewish people. And it's like, you're about to get killed. It's like, no. I mean, I think there are anti-Semites in America for sure, and there are crazy people for sure. There are always threats, but in general, I've never met anyone who hates all Jews. That's all fake, but it's scaring the shit out of people.

2:09:57It's real. Again, I have friends, good friends, who are like, I can't believe you're a Nazi now. That's crazy, dude. I know it's sad, actually. It's awful. Well, I think anytime you find somebody, and I've thought this in my own world, it's like if you start thinking like, oh, this race or this ethnicity or this group should be the one, then that is a trap. That is a dangerous, that is an evil thought or feeling. Right there. That is the truth. It's an evil thought or feeling because it's just, it's not possible. It's not real. So you have to recognize that that kind of thought is just a trap, that it's very, that's just a scary trap.

2:10:32I completely agree. That is the trap they're luring you into. When they call you names, they are trying to make you into the hater they claim you are. And once you become that, you're destroyed. Yeah. And obsessing over, like, other races being bad, like, that's how you become a fucking crazy person. Well, that's the kind of stuff that the news has done over the years. So when you start to think about all the infighting that the news has created over the years and led us down all these rabbit holes, it's like, fuck, what the fuck were we doing? The whole point was to make you hate each other. Yeah.

2:11:02It was divide and conquer 100%. Arabs with box cutters. Can I just say it? Blacks versus drones, dude. Arabs with box cutters! Okay, all right. Arabs with box cutters, okay. Is there a... I know, when you think about that... It's hilarious when you say it. Of course. I spent like 20 years being like, the threat is... Theo, the threat is Arabs with box cutters. They could be anywhere. It's like, shut up. I don't know. It's pretty masterful, like, how things have gone on, but it's just... It's pretty wild. You will punch through, I can tell that you're like in a stage that I was literally last week and then you get through it and you're like it's okay it's totally okay I was an idiot for believing that stuff in the first place it's my fault actually if I fell for like read his Jeffrey Epstein's emails and you will realize like if I fell for the idea that he was a like a diabolical mastermind and not just some thug from Staten Island or Coney Island that was on me then you break through and you're like of Of course it's fake.

2:12:06It was never real. You really think that with the world at stake, three zip codes in Pennsylvania are choosing the president. Okay. Yeah. All right now. So no, of course it's fake. Shame on me for believing it. But now like all the things that are real, God, people you love, the truth. It's like, there's so much to be happy about actually. You don't have, they want you to be totally freaked out. They are the ones who wrote this horror movie. Right. Like bang, what was that noise? Holy shit. Is there something under the bed? Yeah. And you look under the bed and you realize, yeah, it's actually, there are tons of monsters under the bed.

2:12:39But they're kind of like lame monsters. They're like Jeffrey Epstein monsters. They're like, not that scary, really. I'm not afraid of you, bitch. And then the second you say that, you're like, oh, I'm not afraid of anything, actually. Like, look under the bed. Yes, there are monsters. No, they probably can't kill you unless you bitch out and let them. Yeah. Do you, what do you feel like about, is going on with Candace right now? Do you feel like the issues with the French are realistic? when she went down that wiener thing I was like who cares if that lady has a wiener or whatever with Miss McCrone or whatever yeah the presidentist who cares if somebody has a dang wiener or whatever some lady has a wiener it would be shocking if you didn't know it and you found it by accident I do think that oh yeah if you were looking for something in your purse and then a damn wiener was in there no but I mean if you were like I don't know in a cab or something and reached over and you found what you didn't expect you know like in Bangkok or something If I'm her, I show that thing off every now and then, I pop that bitch out at a party.

2:13:37Yeah, I would do that ring game where you kind of like, I'd have that ring game and just hang it from my chin and then have people try to hook it on there. You need your roommate with a Viagra supply. Dude, would you know my name? Dude, they'd make me play it like three or four times. If I was in bed with my wife and you showed up in the dark with an acoustic guitar playing Eric Clapton, that would scare. First of all, I would, and I'm not violent, but I'd fucking blow you away because I have a sidearm in my bedside. I would. All of a sudden, you're in bed with your girl and someone's singing.

2:14:09Eric claps it on acoustic guitar. It's like a fucking nightmare. You're like the incubus. I'd be like, stop right there. And you'd be like.

2:14:20If I saw you. Well, the crazy thing, it's the saddest song. I don't even know what the song was about. I just learned it. And then in hindsight, when I realized I'm in there just playing for a bunch of geeked up seniors who are hopped up on wiener uppers. And I was over there fucking playing a sad song. I just like. Isn't it about his son dying? Yeah. It's a beautiful song. But yes, it is. And it's very sad. It's heartbreaking. I don't know what I was doing. It's not a sexy song, though. And I wonder how that mixes with Viagra. I don't see them. Like, of all the Viagra songs, like Paradise by the Dashboard Lights or something.

2:14:56You know. Yeah. Well, I only knew three songs. You shook me all night long. Didn't have it. But Tears in Heaven? I mean, that's a boner killer. No? Dude, I thought so. That's like a dirge. They'd been drinking orange juice and vodkas, dude. The best thing I could do was that, and then I had that, well, Billy Ray was a preacher, son. And that was a little - Dusty Springfield, ladies and gentlemen. That's kind of a hot song, in a way. That was a little too. Did you know that she was a British lesbian? Dusty Springfield? Yes. When you hear that, she's like, she's a black woman. Wait, I thought it was a - No, no, she was a little white girl lesbian.

2:15:28That was her only hit, I think, ever. That's Dusty Springfield. And she died young. She died in - Who remade the song? At 60. No, that's the original. It's hers. Oh, it is. I think people have covered it. But the one that you know - I thought, what's her name redid it? I'm sure many have covered it. But the one that you hear still is hers. It's hers, wow. Yeah, Aretha. I guess Aretha did it. Oh, Jah. Jah Stone. It's a testament to the durability of her version that that's still the one. Amen. Amen. Written the year I was born, I think.

2:16:10Yeah, I just wonder, like, is there... You got me spun up with the preacher stuff. Did I really? You did. Well, who said stuff? I'm trying to be a better person. He's a pastor that I know. Did he speak up about it? Do you know him? Is he here? Is he a good guy? Oh, yeah. Judah's awesome. He's a great pastor. I just wonder if some of the bigger pastors spoke up about it or not. I don't know. And then that's when you start to think, well, am I wrong for, you know, what am I feeling? What's going on? There's no public record of Judith Smith, the pastor and author, speaking publicly about the conflict in Gaza.

2:16:40However, there's a different Judith Smith, a medical student, who spoke about the impact of mystical strike on Soroka Medical Center in Israel, which may be a good source of confusion. No public statements on the Gaza conflict from the pastor and lead at church home. um but yeah i mean people have their different views you know and those are like i think it's just stuff i'm curious about and i don't know like enough about the bible sometimes i think we have to say that jesus is against killing innocents i just think we have to say that because what's i mean if we can't say that then what can we say this is not a religion of violence it's just not do um what do you feel like about candace's the the assassination attempt do you find there was a reality in that i think that um i don't i don't understand it i love i just want to say again i love candace she's coming tonight and uh her kids are the best i've known her a long time yeah i go over there just like see her kids sometimes i know that's kind of weird or whatever it's not weird but it's not weird i don't have any children or wife or anything so i go over there and uh yeah her kids are like as full of life as could be and they're all mixed kids and that's awesome and then like...

2:17:46Pretty kids. Oh, dude, she has beautiful kids and her and Georgia just funny, man. I totally agree. And I... And, but, so I would say of the assassination, you know, first of all, I knew him well. He was right at my house right before he was killed so I feel emotional about it still. Who was? Charlie Kirk? Yep. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. And I love his wife and know his wife well and so I feel emotional about it so, you know, I just haven't wanted anything to do with it but I will say a couple of things. I don't understand the official story at all. Of the assassination you mean?

2:18:21I don't. I don't understand it. And I want to make sure that there is like a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it. And I'm definitely concerned about that, A. B, I think that one of the, I don't know many of the details, but I know that recently Candace said that Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erica Kirk Charlie's widow around for a number of years in different places in the world. That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard. And I just want to say that that is factually true. That's true. So that's like the one data point that I happen to know is true. What does that mean?

2:19:02I have literally no idea. I can't even guess, but that's very, very strange. And what is Egyptian? It could mean aircrafts from Egypt. Who knows? I think that they were registered in Egypt. Got it. But that fact is true. So that enough, and also her claim that there were kind of a disproportionately large number of foreign registered cell phones at the event. That's also true. So what does that add up to? I don't know, but it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to look in every direction and to be open-minded as you would in any investigation, in journalism, in science.

2:19:45It's all the same process. I don't know the answer, and I'm going to sift through everything as open-mindedly as I can, as honestly as I can to get to what the truth is. Again, that's science. That's law enforcement. That's journalism. It's all the same. That's justice. and I just want to make sure that is happening and I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it and I'm not saying that out of ignorance at all. That's a scary part too. I'm not alleging anything. I'm just saying I think it's really important that we have that. Yeah, and also - I have no confidence. I mean, this dumb Twitter shit, like leaders of the FBI are on Twitter?

2:20:22Like what? Oh, the one, do you see the video that Tim Dillon did about the - No, because it makes me too mad. But no, I agree. It's like, and also here's the weird thing. I never wanted to think about any of this shit. I never wanted to think that our FBI didn't care about us or that our CIA was compromised or that we couldn't try, like you can't even call the police department without thinking that it goes directly to some other foreign lobby, right? Like, so like, and like, I like, so it's weird that if people point fingers, you're like, I never, I just wanted to be, I just wanted to try my best and fucking be alive.

2:20:56Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you're not like a weirdo just because your brain is trying to figure things out. That's a brain's job is to try to figure things out, is to try to make organization of things, right? So it's just so crazy that people who are trying to figure things out are getting ostracized, you know? Whether they're right or wrong or something, at least they're trying to have some semblance of like curiosity, which is really just kind of reframe. If the official story describing the murder of your friend doesn't make sense. and you find yourself yelling at a podcaster for coming up with other theories, you're barking in the wrong direction.

2:21:35Your anger should be focused on the people whose job it is, legally, constitutionally, to get to the answer. And there's very little pressure on them, I notice. Yeah. And a great deal of pressure on Candace Owens. And by the way, I've said this to a bunch of people off the record, people I'm just talking to. It's like, you know, what Candace is saying is clearly causing a lot of turmoil. Is it true or not? I can't assess it. I'm not the FBI. I'm a freaking podcaster, but I do know how the system works, and it's really simple. The FBI has this case, and of course, the state of Utah. It's their job to not only find out what happened, but present it to the public in a way that restores some confidence that you can, like, have justice in this country.

2:22:18We have functioning law enforcement. I don't have confidence in that because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that. So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story that makes sense. So why – if they don't do that and they haven't done that, they have not done that, how can you be mad at Candace Owens or anyone else for filling a vacuum that they left? Yeah. Well, Candace is – okay. No. The people with the authority are the ones responsible and they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's a failure. Not some podcaster, not me, not you, not Candace. The people whose job it is.

2:22:55Talk about, and it's always that. It's always like, you know, you say, well, I don't know why Israel's committing genocide. And God's like, shut up, Theovan. It's like, shouldn't you be mad at Israel for committing the genocide? No. Yeah, or shouldn't, why am I the one even asking about it? Exactly. Dude, I'm just a curious fucktard, dude. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying my best, but fuck, dude. I couldn't agree more. You know, I'm a guy who lived with a 66-year-old man to fucking chirp boner pills off of him, dude. With respect, like a lot of these criminal investigations, your story doesn't make sense.

2:23:27I, dude, his name was Wally. He played tennis. He was a 4.0 at tennis. Right, that makes him sound kind of wholesome and normal. He was my buddy's dad. You live with him so you can get free boner pills. Then he invites you into his bedroom in the dark with his girl to play Eric Clapton songs on an acoustic guitar. And you don't think there's anything kind of freaky about that at all. I think that's the most normal thing we've talked about all episode. You know, you're probably right. To be really honest with you. To put it in context, yes. I want to get you out of here soon because we want to go to your party tonight.

2:24:00What is one of the things about the Charlie Kirk assassination that rubs you the wrongest, do you feel like? About the investigation into it? Yeah. I mean, it's the whole thing with the kid and the images and they see him at like a Dairy Queen. Some of that. It's just like it's all so confusing. You can't decide what to believe. but also the fact that it doesn't feel like there's any presentation from the FBI or something about reality so it feels like it's internet sluice filling in all the pieces what do you think? I've called directly to say that just as an American as a friend of Charlie's who is interested in seeing justice and is interested in preserving our system beyond this year like if you want the system to continue you have to satisfy people that the system is real and if they're convinced that it's not real at some point they'll overthrow it.

2:24:46That's just going to happen. Okay. Oh, but Mom Donnie. Yeah. How do you think we got Mom Donnie? And you think Mom Donnie's radical? The dude went to Bowdoin. It could be a lot more radical than that. And we're going to get that. There's a good sailing team there. Do they? Yeah. At Bowdoin? I thought it was Baldoin, but it's not. No, it's Bowdoin. Known really for sodomy, but also sailing. I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know that, huh? Enthusiastic. Actually, I think they've got one of the top rated varsity sodomy teams in the country. Hard to starboard. Zen users. But anyway, here's what I am concerned about.

2:25:19A lot of things. One, he acted alone. Tell me how that worked. I don't, you know, none of us really act alone. It's hard to go anywhere by yourself too. Thank you. Exactly. You acted totally alone. Okay. You're going to have to prove that to me. It's totally possible. Anything is possible. Weird things have happened. We'll continue to. But if you're, that's not my default assumption and it shouldn't be yours. And their default assumption was we acted alone. Really? Why do you think that? What about life suggests that people typically act alone? What was the last time you acted alone in anything?

2:25:48I don't go, you know, right? So A, B, we know that people had foreknowledge of this because they posted about it on X and said, Charlie Kirk is going to be killed on this date. And he was. Is that true? Yes, it's true. Were they just guessing? Was it a guessing thing where every day they posted that? Maybe, maybe. Have those people been interviewed? Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a long conversation with how they knew that? Like, let's get really specific. Why did you post that? Who have you talked to? Like, if I were doing this investigation because I spent my whole life doing non-criminal investigations called journalism, like what do we know is true?

2:26:21How do we find out? Call everybody, be open-minded. It's like a very, it's the same process. If I was doing this investigation, they would be at the very top of the list. We know because we've got public postings on Twitter that people know just like a 9-11. We know people bet against American Airlines and the banks that were in the World Trade Centers. They shorted those stocks. Those people clearly had foreknowledge of 9-11. Who were those people? We still don't know. So I would start there. So you're saying that just the fact that there could possibly be some foreknowledge should be investigated.

2:26:50Well, there was foreknowledge because they were – I saw the tweets. And so there were – I saw at least two that said, you know, everything is going to change when Charlie Kirk gets to the college in Utah. Okay. So those people, I'm not saying they're part of a conspiracy, but they have – there's evidence that they had foreknowledge. Okay? So that's where you begin. And then I could go on. Like, tell me how this guy who seemed normal became a radical trans furry murderer? It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans. I'm not pro-trans, by the way. But was that the guy or his boyfriend? Well, exactly. Exactly right.

2:27:29Tell me how this guy became so radicalized that he murdered a stranger. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying I want an explanation for how it happened. Why wouldn't I? I agree. Oh, we can't talk about that because it'll prejudice the jury pool. Really, you've told the world that you have both a confession from him in his text to his boyfriend and the murder weapon with his fingerprints on it. I think you've got a pretty solid case. So why is it so difficult to just explain? Dude, 9-11, the rubble was still smoldering. I was on television on 9-11, so I remember this very well. People instantly appeared, oh, this is Islamic radicalism.

2:28:06Here's where it comes from. we're going to invite this guy in from columbia who's just written a book about it and like the whole explanation was ready to go yeah this there's no even attempt which is both good and bad but there's no attempt to explain how this happened like it's that's the key question we all want to know yes i know charlie kirk just got was murdered by gunshot got it saw it why and they never want to tell you yeah was the kid on ssri shut up are you a scientologist they immediately start name calling you oh you're candace owens now no yeah but if you're just a curious person who wants to know why your friend got killed well that's kind of what i am that's what i am that's what i'm saying it's just it's a human person well that's what candace is so maybe so i have said from the beginning if you don't like what candace owens is saying why don't you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for what happened.

2:28:58Oh, she's bad! She's bad! Okay. I mean, I like her a lot. I don't think she's bad, but I love her, actually. But let's just stipulate she's bad, but why wouldn't you do that? I don't agree with some of the stuff, the rabbit hole she goes down, but I don't even know. But I like the fact that she likes to dig in the garden, you know? So it's like, I like the fact that she's curious, and that, obviously, if people weren't resonating with what she's doing, then nobody would be paying attention. But you know how many places I go? People will come up to me and be like, and I don't think they want to say something to me.

2:29:31They'll be like, I love Candace Owen. Dude, did I tell you what happened to me in Oslo this summer? Mm-mm. I was with my family, salmon fishing. White Oslo. Some people call it white Oslo as well. It's not very white anymore. It isn't? Nope. Aw, it's low. But anyway, I'm in Oslo, Norway. And just for one night, we were fishing. And we go to Oslo to fly out. And I'm walking down the street with one of my daughters. Tucker Carlson. I was like, shit, I'm going to get yelled at in Oslo. This guy runs up to me. Tucker Carlson, yes. You know Kansas Owens? I was like, yeah. He goes, tell her I love her.

2:30:04And I texted Candace. I was like, that is fame when people come up to you just because of the reflected glory of someone you know. Yeah. So why do people like Candace so much? She's an amazing broadcaster, yes. Because they sense in her, she might be wrong. Is she lying to me? Not on purpose. They sense the purity of her intent. That's the truth. And I can say as someone who's dealt with government officials my whole life, I'm not vouching for everything Candace claims. I don't even know a lot of what she claims because I'm working on other stuff. And it makes me sad also. But the point is, do I trust Candace more than I trust your average DOJ official?

2:30:39Are you joking? It's not even close, dude. It's not even close. It's not even close. We can all be wrong. But who do I trust to try to tell the truth more? Candace or your average DOJ official? opposite ends of the spectrum. I'll just say that. Yeah. Do you feel that? It's a scary time. Yeah. It's a scary time. It's like, I remember when you were interviewing Putin. Yeah. I remember thinking, we may get some real information here, which is kind of a crazy. I know. And I'll just admit that. I'll be like, dude, we might really get some information here. Instead of all this BS, like Russia was involved in making all these ads and all this thing, we might really get some information here.

2:31:21Yeah, well, you were right. It's 2.58. You came at noon, right? Yeah. Okay, we got to get you out of here. Damn. That sucks. There goes your nap, though. I don't nap at night. You don't? No, dude, I'm flying the Middle East tomorrow. That's like 12 hours apiece for me. I'm just going to eat hummus. Are you flying on a commercial? I'm flying commercial. They have the best airline. I'm sorry. I know that makes me an Islamist. I know I'm responsible for Danny Pearl's murder for saying that. But Qatar Airways is like the best airline. It just is. I've flown in all airlines. Dude, some of the best people over there.

2:31:55I had a great time over there. Totally agree. And what I like about their country is they keep shit in line. Like there's not a lot of fucking BS over there. You can say what you want. It's definitely more restrained in some ways. Yeah. We could say f***ing it as well, dude. Remember you couldn't even say it the other day. Well, I could say it because I'm American. But like, no, you're not allowed to spray paint public buildings there. Sorry. You can't shit on the sidewalk. you're not allowed to have sex in an ATM vestibule or smoke meth in front of other people's houses. But you can say what you believe.

2:32:26So there's a constriction of freedom in some ways, for sure. Well, especially like the other day. So my gay friend calls me up. He's like, dude, he wanted me to say f*** it to his friends on Zoom, right? And I'm like, dude. What's your life like, dude? Bro, I'm like, dude, I'm not saying I just woke up. Wait, wait, can we just consider? You just said my gay friend called me the other day and he wants me to say f*** it to his friends on Zoom. Yeah, he thought it would be cool. It's an amazing sentence. Yeah, but it's like people are trying to say like, well, you can't say this and that. But it's like, what do you want me to do in that instance?

2:32:54It's like my gay buddy calls me up and he's like, dude, a couple of my boys are over here. Trent's over here. Say f*** it for us. And I'm like, dude, you know, and I just woken up. Right. I'm like, I'm not saying it like if I just woke up, dude, that's crazy. You got to ease into f*** it. It can't, you can't just like go cold into f*** it. I've had this exact problem. Dude, I'm not having my eyes open for 40 seconds. My wife will say that. She'll wake me up and she'll be like, say f*** it. I'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I need a cup of coffee first. I can't. Definitely, dude. At least let me put on some sneakers, you know?

2:33:22But that was, it's like, and then, and also the fact that Piers Morgan wouldn't say it, it's a British word. You guys started the word. I know. It's not like I asked him to say cunt. I almost did. Because I think that's allowed. You can say that. Well, that's fair. The K word, as they say where I live. They're both his words, dude. And I understand, like, not yelling it at somebody that's gay or like, you know, say you open your door and like two guys are like blowing each other in your front yard or something. I don't. No, that's when you don't say it. That's when you don't say it. Because you don't call a fat girl fat.

2:33:48You joke about the skinny girl being fat because it's a joke. Yeah, you don't yell fat. You're like, hey, fellas, hit the road, right? Right. It's like. Exactly. Dude, like one time I walked behind a 7-Eleven. There's a couple gay dudes back there. One of them was at least gay. And one of them was blowing one of them, right? So at least. So who is gay? I don't know. Who is gay? Yeah. And that's. No, sorry. Just kidding. Who is gay? But yeah, I didn't ask right at that point. No, but I was like, guys, come on, you know? And one of them got into a car that had those, it was like a Honda Civic that had those, it was around the holidays, that had those antler ears out the side.

2:34:25And I was like, that's... Was that the guy blowing or getting blown? I don't know which one it was, but that was the... It matters. It matters. But that was the f***ing it, I think. That was the gay... 100%. The antler ears? Yeah. But that was the gay guy. Yeah. So anyway, I don't even know why... That's called deductive reasoning, Theo. Yeah, that's all it is, dude. You are the Sherlock Holmes of gay 7-Eleven. But my buddy, the other day, it's like, now I'm the bad guy to a gay friend because I won't say that over to his Zoom at work. And I'm like, dude, I'm not saying. That's bad. You got a buddy calls, all he needs you to do is say f*** on Zoom.

2:35:00That's it. He's not asking for, it's not alone. He's not asking to bail him out of jail. He just want, just say f*** on Zoom. And you're like, no, the one thing you want, I deny you. Dude, and I've said this before. I think that a lot of people, like gay people, they should auction off the word. Somebody can say it one time. At a certain time, everybody can buy a Zoom pass to watch the person say it. Like, say, like, I'm trying to think of who, but say, who's a good one? Burt Reynolds is going to say it tonight, right? He's going to say it tonight at midnight. And everybody can buy a pass to watch him say it, right?

2:35:30I love that. But it doesn't, I'm not insecure about this because I've worked around and loved gays my whole life. Yeah, none of my gay friends are going to be upset about this. But you know what? They're the offenders. It's like, they're like rappers with the N-word. It's insane. You work with gay men, and you're like, he's a f***er. And I'll just be like, oh, I can't deal with this. Yeah, I can't even, yeah. The people that say, but dude, I think it's the same with the N-word. They should auction it off where people could, like say if Angelina Jolie is saying the N-word tonight at 10, 15. You know how many people are going to pay to watch, and then the money goes towards black causes and black culture.

2:36:02Pay-per-view profanity. Yep. I love that. Like why waste it? Right. No, you're totally right. You know how many people. She gets 30 minutes. She can say it anywhere in there. She can do a little bit. She can read a book and drop it. Angelina Jolie sang the N-word. I might actually pay the$25.99 to see that. Dude, who wouldn't? No, actually. I know. That's what I'm saying. But then you're making - That is so naughty. That's like a - I agree. But you're making money for your cause. It's like a hate crimes OnlyFans. Ooh, kind of. Yeah. But I think - Can you do that? I've never been on OnlyFans, obviously.

2:36:36but could you get an OnlyFans to be like, say the N-word? I mean. I think you could do it, dude. If you could get George Washington's great-grandson to say it, what about that? Tonight we got George Washington's great-grandson. Bring him up. We got George Washington's great-grandson tonight at probably, I bet he's pretty old, so about 7.15 p.m. Pretty old. He's like about 150 years old, actually. Okay, sorry. Oh, George Washington didn't have any children? No, we didn't. It's only the Custises. It's through his wife's family. No. Okay. He didn't. But if his great-great-grandson is saying, I'm going to tap in, there's no way.

2:37:11If it's$6.99 to hear him say it at 7.15. How about if it was Thomas Jefferson's black great-great-great-great-grandson? Nah. Right. Exactly. I wouldn't as much. There's no charge there. But still, if it's a little Asian guy or whatever who's been in a coma, they know he's waking up at 3, at 4.30 he's going to say it. And mispronounces it. Yeah. I would pay for that. Ah, yeah. Crazy. Might have to take that part out. anyway Tucker how do we stay I'm sure there's moments where you've gotten too far down the well like if you look at some of this stuff too much it can get pretty negative I'm out of the well I'm totally out of the well I'm like I'm above the clouds and it's always sunny there it's like I feel so much better because I just concluded that everything you suspect is true it's always been true it was true in Rome it was true in every period in history and it's true now and the only thing that's changed is we We lied to ourselves about it, but now once you realize, yeah, it's all true, I don't need any more evidence, I got it, I figured it out, and the good things in life are still amazing and you can make a difference by telling the truth, and when you do, you become stronger in some supernatural way, and there's just so much beauty and joy in life, I'm not going to get bogged down in all the hatred.

2:38:23I'm not going to take orders from Mark Levin and become a Nazi just because he calls me one. No. Sorry. Yeah. I'm not playing your games. Oh, for sure. It's like people say stuff on the internet. It's like, whatever, dude. But pivot against it. Be like, yeah. Yeah, people will make fun of me for stuff or do certain things. It's like, I don't care about it that much. I don't care really what you call me that much. I mean, I already know things that I am, you know. I'm not great, that's for sure. But they never call you the things you really are. He lived with a dude who gave him free Viagra. I had to steal it.

2:39:00I'd sneak in there and eat some of it at night. Tucker Carlson, man, thanks so much for your time, dude. Do you think we're going to get in trouble for any of this? I'm already, I was already voted Nazi of the week by BB or something. I don't, I don't care. It's a lie. And if you spend your life. You don't seem like a Nazi to me at all, man. No, not a Nazi. You know? And I'm not going to become one. Yeah, dude. I would notice if you started Nazi-ing a little bit. Yeah. You know? It's a little too rigid for me, just temperamentally. Also, I don't like tight clothing at all. I can't stand to be ordered.

2:39:35You look good in green, though. Look, before you leave, Tucker, I just want to play this for you. Do you mind? Would you know? I'm getting wood listening to that. It's just, you know, I'm thinking, like, maybe I do invite Theo over. Just middle of the night, in bed with my wife. It's totally dark. All of a sudden, I hear the notes. It's because I couldn't make rent sometimes. I think he was thinking of any way I could help out. I get it. You're young. You needed the money. I've heard this before. Hey, dude. Those erections, those are caused by alps. You know that, don't you? Yes, they are. The pouch for your mouth.

2:40:07Hey. Tucker Carlson, thanks so much, man. And thanks for inviting me to your get-together. I'm excited about it. And I'll see you later on. Anything else you wanted to talk about? Nope. All right. Appreciate you, brother. You're the best. You too, man. Thank you, Phil. Yep. Stay safe. Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna tell you