#640 - Chris Hemsworth

31:11Oh no, there was a lot, a profound effect on me, especially the second season and the first season without me realizing what was occurring. Like there was all the obvious things about, you know, strength training and, and, you know, cognitive health and, um, cold water, hot exposure, fasting and so on. But the episode I did with my dad called A Road Trip to Remember was the most profound one because he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's about four or five years ago. And he was genetically predisposed to it, right? Yeah. He and your mom. Yeah. And that's how we found out because I did my blood work on that show and found out that I had two copies of the APOE4 gene, which is you get a copy from your mom, a copy from your dad, either a two or three or four.

31:56And they both gave you a copy? They both gave me a copy, but they both gave me the worst copy, which is the four, which meant I was a four-four, which is like one in I think a thousand people have. But they, so I remember being with my dad and telling him about it and going, oh, I don't know if this is a kind of a, you know, it's not a death sentence. It's not a predeterministic gene, but it's like a big warning sign. And he said, oh, don't worry, mate, we'll figure it out. Yeah, and how many times am I going to have to tell him about it if he's pretty close to Alzheimer's? Well, but he didn't, we didn't know he was.

32:23And then five years later, he got diagnosed. And I remember sitting there telling him, don't worry, dad, we'll figure it out. And so we went on this journey. It's called A Road Trip to Remember. It's this thing called reminiscence therapy where you go back into your past, stimulate memories and experiences to stimulate the hippocampus, which is the part of the brain that dementia is attacking. Oh, dang, your dad's Joe Biden? Crazy, dude. but we're spending time with him. It was kind of a, it was kind of a love letter to him. And we, it's not, you know, I was kind of hoping for a silver bullet to fix it, but it became more about connection.

33:02It became more about like the things I got to say to him and ask him about his concerns and fears around the disease. I probably wouldn't have asked him otherwise. And so it, it forced this kind of really beautiful, intimate series of conversations and, and gave him some agency, I think, you know, because they begin to feel like they're a patient or they're a burden, and all of a sudden this was about him. And I did. I watched the shift, and the big one being social connection. The most important thing I took away from both of those seasons was support group friendships and connection. And the people in blue zones where people live over 100 or the most centurions in the population within regions around the world, the commonality is is having a wonderful sense of community and a wonderful support network um and then whether or not they drank alcohol or smoked or whatever it was like it you know the the lack of or the reduction in stress due to support networks and friendships and wow well yeah they say that in recovery too i'm in a lot of recovery communities and they say that connection is the uh is the opposite of addiction.

34:16Yeah, right. Yeah, that connection. It's like, yeah, I mean, I was in a meeting this morning, like a Zoom meeting, and it's like, yeah, I'm sitting there just listening to guys share what's going on with them that's real. And some of them say things that I've always wanted to say, and I didn't know I could, but I couldn't make the words, and then they made the words for me. And so there's a part of me that starts to feel like, okay, that's not a crazy pieces of a thought that you've had. That's a real thing, and somebody else just put it together for you. But yeah, just being able to connect, they say is the opposite of addiction.

34:46Bring that back up, the blue zones, I've never heard of this. It's where there's the most amount of people who have - Lived to be 100? Lived to be 100, yeah. And I think there's like Japan, somewhere in Italy. Yeah, we got Okinawa, Japan. Yeah. Icaria, Greece. Sardinia, Italy. Nicoya. And that's Costa Rica. And the United States as well, yeah. And Loma Linda. but hold on. There's none over by Australia. You guys didn't get one. Yeah. I don't know if they skipped us probably because of the danger species, the danger of the things that try and kill us. Yeah. We're too busy backpacking to the places.

35:23You guys are too busy over there making people happy in those places. Probably blue zones are regions of the world where people have unusually long and healthy lives. The many residents reaching age 90 to a hundred while staying relatively free of major chronic disease. Researchers use blue zone to describe geographically limited areas where rates of centenarians are far higher than expected and older adults remain active and independent. That's a huge thing, that they remain active and independent. Still working as well, like still having some form of purpose. Right, purpose is huge. We talk about that all the time in here, that if people lose their purpose, then what do we have?

35:59Do you ever read Man's Search for Meaning, Viktor Frankl? I have read that. That's the purposeful suffering, he calls it, but watching people when he was in the prison camp and else which how, because he was a psychoanalyst or a therapist, and he went in and people all under the same horrific circumstances, environment, and why some people's body would give up and others wouldn't. And it was often when they found out that a loved one or family had been killed or died, they then, their spirit, their soul, their body gave up. And so he produced Logotherapy, which was about sort of giving a purpose behind whatever adversity you're facing and giving a sense of meaning to whatever the suffering is you're going through.

36:44But again, with the centurions, people who are not retiring, basically. And that doesn't mean work yourself. There's a difference between working yourself into the grave, but also the work could be you have a garden to maintain. You have a painting class. Yeah, you have grandchildren to keep tabs on. You have a trip to plan. You're helping with one of your children's activities. Yeah, I think that a lot with my own mom, as she gets older, it's like, you know, I want her to be free of things. If she doesn't want to work, she likes to work. She like delivers for Amazon and stuff. She just loves it.

37:16She's like, you know, I'll call her and she's like, I'm just sitting in the, uh, lot of, or she'll deliver for like whole foods, different, um, just kind of chain places or something. She's like, I'm just sitting here in the lot, just waiting for a, uh, for a route or whatever. And I just, I just picture her in her van. She's just sitting there. She's 70 something. And she's just waiting to, deliver a catalytic converter to some guy across town. Thank you for bringing this up. This is so fascinating. I want to list off some of these just so we can, that people know some of the things from these Blue Zones.

37:47Despite very different cultures, Blue Zones share several recurring features. Natural movement, lots of walking, gardening, and manual chores built into daily life. Plant-based diet, high in vegetables, beans, and whole grains. Strong social ties, like we were talking about. multi-generational living. So probably having your family members around you. Tara Swart was in, she's a neuroscientist. She's an author. She's, she's fascinating lady. And she was saying that the, when you feel the best, a lot of people that feel the best, when you have the best feeling in a home is when there's a lot of people in the home.

38:23When there's just like multi-generations, like, and those families often get the best sleep because there's just like a, there's a connectivity going on. Low chronic stress, just a few more of these blue zone common lifestyle patterns. A clear sense of purpose and generally optimistic, engaged attitudes. And light, regular alcohol or none. In some places, people drink small amounts of wine. In other places, they avoid it entirely. Like in Sardinia, Italy, you'll see a six-year-old out there drinking. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. It's a lot like a, it's like, oh, I'll have a Chardonnay and some Peppa Pig, you know?

39:04It's like, you'll see a five-year-old on his tablet ordering a damn Cabernet. I know. It's like, it kind of will be bad. Yeah. Well, I think this is just proof that there's ways to do it, right? And that this is document, this is like data that shows that there's ways to have a life that's the most comfortable if you can. Because it's sort of like, it's like these sort of, stress being the biggest killer and the cause of chronic disease and so on. Stress, I find the amount of stress involved in the idea of achieving perfection or doing things perfectly. I get asked all the time about you must never eat sugar or never drink alcohol, train seven days a week and so on.

39:45And it's like I had periods where I've gone into the extreme realm but they're not when I've been my happiest or my healthiest. Like what do you do when a birthday cake comes? I just smash it. I love a birthday cake. And what are you supposed to be, that weirdo? Yeah, no. What kind of life is that? You're not going to enjoy in all the sort of, you know. Yeah, what do you do when a freaking, because I'll do low sugar, you know. I don't do no sugar really. But sometimes if a birthday cake comes, dude, what are you going to be? Some guy just over there just carving up a cucumber. Who am I going to, you know what I'm saying?

40:14Some dude over there just sneaking a carrot out of his pocket. Just a little crudité in the corner. Just a little bit of icing. And that's not creepier to the kids at the people at the party is you're over there like... You tell me that guy's not stressed. That's a huge amount of stress involved in just smuggling that carrot into the party and then having to explain it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Showing up at his birthday party with a couple carrots in your pocket is way more stressful. And you're right, dude. And there's a different stress of being the person who's sneakily eating crudité, as you called it, as other people are enjoying a birthday cake.

40:50That is a different type of like... Well, I'd say how many people do you meet who are, you know, it's often with your grandparents and they smoke cigarettes and drank alcohol and, you know, ate steak and eggs every day and they're living to, you know, 90, 100. But again, and I'm not saying any of that is the, you know, here's my top 10 tips to live longer. But I think that that was in a time when you did have more family members in the house, if you just said, like grandparents, cousins, everyone lived in this sort of smaller communities. And we're also spread out now. And I don't know about you, but like the, the, the, in the last sort of five, 10 years, we've worked really hard to bring my family kind of closer and closer.

41:29And we all live in the same area for that reason, because it's, I think a lot of us grew up or definitely through history, we grew up with bigger households with, you know, shared responsibility. And now you have these little secular sort of, you know, houses where you don't even know your neighbors and grandparents live. It feels good when your family's around. I know we were, or you know what? But there's layers to life then, I think, when they're around. Like there's nothing better than when you're feeling horrible and sad about yourself to be able to look across the room and look at one of your parents' eyes and be like, this is your fault.

42:00Yeah. And you can't do that if you're at home by yourself. You can't blame anyone if you're looking in the mirror, you know, and then it's like your fault. That doesn't work. Yeah. And I think maybe we're going to be getting back towards that. And we may not have a choice just because of like the cost of living and things like that. But my niece just moved in back in with my sister. Like, I don't know. And things like that. I think it's kind of nice. Like there is something that's fun about, about not about feeling like a part of something. Even if you're like kind of a curmudgeon about it, like, oh, I live back at home, but good for you.

42:30Good for you. Absolutely. There's plenty of time to sort of live on your own. Good for you. And to get to see his stepdad's nuts hanging out of his fricking undershorts once a year, you know. Once a year, once a week even. What a joy. Yeah, dude. The fucking Lord's mistletoe. That's the best, brother. With your father, how is he doing today? He's good. Look, compared to there are a couple other family members and close by folks that were going through or had the same diagnosis around the same time who were in a catatonic vegetable state. He could sit here with us and talk to us and you might not even know, and you spend enough time and it's the short-term memories.

43:12And then it's the wrong kind of stress that then is really evident. You know, like stress for him training in the gym and so on and solving a crossword puzzle, great. But like not finding his keys and then, you know, losing things and then beating himself up about it. Oh, yeah. Then they'll watch his memory go really bad. Wow, so stress is such a big activator. Oh, it's huge, yeah. He went down, he rides motorbikes and used to race motorbikes and went down to put some gas in a petrol tank and then it wouldn't start. and so mum came picked him up went back home he got home he said yeah I needed the key and she's like no no it just didn't start and you know he's got the spare key went back down didn't start again he's like and he did that three times for the day by the time that I was at work I got home and I went I said look I'll just come pick him up pick the bike up I put the bike on the back of the car and he was like all right we're going to your place to get my car aren't we and I said no they were taking your bike home and he's like what bike and he had like it's twice in this 10 minute drive turn around and see the bike in the back of the truck and that was as strong as i've seen it um and and as sort of confronting as as it's been but then the next day once that problem had been solved it was he he could sort of there was a calm and and it was better but um he's doing good man i i still yeah craig hey craig yeah what's up craig yeah cheers from uh the u.s mate yeah he's He's a legend.

44:39Good day, sir. And what's his trade been his life? Oh, a cattleman. Well, no, he worked in child protection for most of his career. And then when we went to Northern Territory and he mustered cattle, that was just a window. Trying something different. Trying something different. We had family up there who were doing it. And in the documentary, we end up back in the Aboriginal community we lived in. and a couple of the guys, they called him, he's a Chuck Norris-looking motherfucker because he had this long ponytail and he would like, you know, pull cattle down by the tail and tie him up. I love a male Rapunzel.

45:17Yeah, male Rapunzel. There's nothing I love more, brother. Oh, that's beautiful, dude. And child protection, what exactly is that? Yeah, he would, children who would, you know, neglect family violence, abuse, go into the home and basically have to assess the situation, present evidence to a court, talk to the police department and work out what should happen and is this child in a safe position. Oh, wow. And huge responsibility. And I watched the toll that took on him over the years when he just couldn't, there were certain things he wasn't able to fix. and you solve one thing and feel like you have momentum and then the next day there's a big pile of other cases on the desk.

46:09But very much in service to others and has always been fiercely protective of kids as this sort of angelic sort of quality to his integrity. We'll hire him. He's ready and willing. Look, I bet we could get him 30 % of the vote right now in America to be our next president. If we have somebody that's protective of children here, we'll take it, man. And thank you for your service, Craig. I think that stuff like that is so important. Thinking about the well-being of children, I think there's nothing that's more... It's like the purest thing that exists in the world, I think. Absolutely, yeah. So thank you for your service.

46:47We appreciate that. They just had a ban for social media, was it, or cell phones in Australia. Yeah, I think we're the first country in the world that has had kids from 16 and under. Yeah, Australia has banned social media for kids under 16. How does it work? Under 16s in Australia have been banned from using major social media services, including TikTok, X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, and Threads. Threads sucks. They cannot set up new accounts, and their existing profiles were deactivated. Wow. I wonder if they all had like a D-Day when they were all like gathered around a fire or something.

47:21This is the thing, are they all now like reentering different ages or is it? I mean, I don't know to what, I mean, I think it's a fantastic thing. Yeah. The idea of it seems perfect. Yeah. And it's execution. I hope there's, you know, there's a positive sort of navigation through it. Cause I'm sure, you know, my kids, I change the passcode on the phone or whatever and they figure out shit and, you know, seconds. They're like little, little genius hackers with all of it, but we try and keep them off it as much as possible. But yeah. Yeah, but also your passcode is often like handsome guy 4 ,000 or whatever.

47:51That's it. So it's the obvious one, you know. So exceptionally gorge male, seven. Aren't I lucky? You're special too. Yeah, I mean, hopefully this takes off around the world. I don't know. I'm going to see what this says here. Australia's government said the ban would reduce the negative impact of social media's design features that encourage young people to spend more time on screens while also serving up content that can harm their health and well-being. I don't know any human that would disagree with that. A study it commissioned in 2025 found that 96 % of children ages 10 to 15 use social media and that 7 out of 10 of them have been exposed to harmful content.

48:27This includes misogynistic and violent material as well as content-promoting eating disorders and suicide. Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah, can you look up on – and this is perplexity that we use to look things up. large studies of more than a hundred thousand young adults find that each year of smartphone ownership before age 13 is associated with higher rates of depression like symptoms suicidal thoughts aggression and detachment detachment for sure i mean in a field detached when you're already like in a place where you're growing and it's it's like yeah your footing is uncertain girls show particularly big drops in emotional resilience and self-esteem cyber bullying and harassment phones and apps mean bullying can follow kids home which raises risks of depression anxiety and self-harm uh sleep disruption big one yeah sleep disruption and body image and comparison man well cheers to you guys for like leading the charge i think spain just followed suit is that right oh really it's where my wife's from oh is it yeah You got a Spanish lady, huh?

49:33Yep. Yep. Fiery. Fiery is your wife's name? Fiery. No, I said Fiery. Oh, she's Fiery. Fiery Energy. Oh, yeah. Elsa is her name, yeah. Elsa, like the movie. Yeah, Frozen. As of February 26th, Spain has announced to ban social media access for children under 16. I don't know if we would ever do it here because I think we look at our children more as okay to be victims of marketing and capitalism. whereas in other countries they maybe they don't you know i'm glad that australia is doing this do you feel like uh it would take some getting used to there will be this group that has to be the one that loses it yeah and then there will have to be the younger siblings of them that are like oh i wish we had it but if you could get it to go for like a generation i think it would it would really play into something beautiful 100 it's even like you know we were probably i don't know like maybe when the phone first came on like how old are you i'm 45 45 so i'm gonna die soon we we all are we were kind of the uh the guinea pigs for it in a way you know like i remember getting a phone and it wasn't social media yeah just and all of it and then you look at and so you but we had enough awareness of what came before like coming up now and only knowing that that's that that exists and every time i try and tell my kids like that's science around it they're like oh shut up you know and there's there's just no there's no comparison for them.

50:59At least we knew the comparison. We knew the comparison. We knew the possibilities. And we're still doing it. And we're still ending up depressed. I don't know about you, but - Oh, dude, I noticed I've been off of TikTok for a while. Yeah. And I'm feeling better, man. Yeah. And the algorithm - Oh, yeah. There should be a - I've always thought there should be able to be legal recourse against an algorithm because you're creating a system, like a vitriol for me to then go, and now it's just my responsibility. Yeah. I'm nine minutes on, I hate a group, and now I'm just back out into the world? But also, that algorithm is created off a question.

51:32It's not created off an opinion. I might have curiosity or ask the question about this particular thing, and it goes, oh, that's it. And now you're down that lane. And that's the danger. It's making up your conclusion. It's giving you the definitive sort of this is how you now should vote or this is why you should be opinionated or this is who you should like or dislike based upon human curiosity. You might not be one political party supporter, but you're having a look at it. Next minute, that's all you're seeing. And you're fully on board. It takes you from curious to conviction. And it takes you there.

52:08You're right. In the beginning, I'm just like, oh, I'm curious about this. But then suddenly, four of your next seven videos are about it, and you're like, now I have some sort of a conviction. Yeah, complete biased opinion about it. And they can even serve. It's almost like, here's the next stair step. Here's the next stair step. They can do it. you know you're right though there should be like at bare minimum they're not allowed to create an algorithm that encourages one thing it should be you have to continue to put that search in the search engine as opposed to it going this is all we're feeding you now because it's all perspective it's it's it's like your version of you know one thing or my version of that is all around what i've been exposed to there's no kind of right and wrong in it it's like whatever education that i've been fed by this fucking machine in my hand you know and on x they have people killing each Tell them something.

52:52That's insane. No, my kids were talking about certain horrific events and so on. I was like, where the hell did you say that? And there's nothing to stop it. Oh, dude. Well, the craziest part is the other night I wake up, for some reason I'm like, you know, I'm obviously lonesome or whatever. So I'm like on X or whatever. It's like 3.15 in the morning. I don't even know why I'm on there. I see two people get shot outside of a Wendy's, right? And they don't even show you if EMTs come. They don't show you that part. It's just two people shot outside of a Wendy's, right? And then the next thing is an advertisement for Wendy's.

53:29And I'm like, now I'm hungry. I don't even care about the, it's like, I forgot. Oh, it's fucking, it's insane. And I'm like, well, do I need two bags of platelets and an EMT or a Baconator? Yeah, the complete sort of desensitization to something. And then the immediate sort of bait and hooked into the product being sold is like. And that you get taken from something that's so serious. Yeah. And it's something that's so trivial that it's like, it starts to like deteriorate the part of you that takes something very serious, serious. Yeah, for sure. And for these kids, now you got to walk over there and look this girl in the eyes and see that she might not be interested in you, which is the genre that we grew up in, brother.

54:10If you want to call somebody fat, you got to walk across town. You got to say it to them. And then you got to see their big fat fist come and hit you right in your smug face. Yeah. No, and there's no accountability. That's the other thing. It's like the amount of like smart aleck, sarcastic sort of, you know, sentiment and tone I hear from sort of my kids and their mates based upon the lack of consequence. Like you said that shit in high school, school, and you felt it immediately. You went, well, a lesson to say, note to yourself, don't say that again. Whereas now you're like plugging all sorts of things on your comment boards or you're commenting on what other people have done with, you know, very little, if any consequence or outcome.

54:47Any repercussion. Let me see what this says. Instagram rolls out algorithm control option to all English-speaking users. Oh, wow. After launching it in early testing with a limited number of users in October last year, Instagram has today announced that all English-speaking users globally will now be able to access its Your Algorithm manual control option, giving you another way to define your Reels experience. I thought it already did that, though. Because I remember meeting someone who said, this is like eight years ago, said, no, no, no, you've talked about puppy dogs for a while, and then all of a sudden puppy dogs are all over you're real like yeah and they said no no they're they're listening to individual words and i was like the individual words bullshit it's fucking the entire sentence but it and now there seems to be a sort of oh that's an option but i'm pretty sure it's been planted i'm sure this has always been an option and it's never been effective yeah as you can see in this overview you can access the your algorithm controls by tapping on the top what does it do though so i've been using it and i changed my feed completely i put on like editing tutorials film lighting and like my feed is like all educational now it's helped a lot yeah it's pretty awesome and i think more people should know about it because yeah i think sometimes my fear is that i'm trapped in this algorithm of times that maybe weren't my best self or like times where i just or just what they fed you yeah for sure you know and you get fed brassieres and this and that and it's all targets big response you know big it triggers big emotions it's all outrage mostly right it's like dopamine or uh fucking what's gonna piss you off testosterone you know yeah yeah so nick you feel like it has been effective a hundred percent and then but if i do see something i'm like i don't want that then you just do see like the three dots and see less of and it's really transformed it oh cool i feel like i'm getting educated when i go on a lot yeah that's the place i want to be in it's like oh just for some you know get me there but i guess I have to take some action too, you know?

56:43But that's good to know that that's effective. Yeah. I'll tell you this story. So I one time I got in an argument with my girl, my ex or whatever. I don't know what happened to her, but we were in love or whatever. But anyway, we got in a fight or argument on the side of the interstate. She stabbed my tire and threw a hardware hammer off the front of my car. Bam. Bounced on the hood. Broke it out. windshield cracked it out. So she used to play softball. But anyway, what I'm trying to say is I didn't want to go to my insurance because it was going to be expensive and I was in a tough spot. I should have had CarShield.

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59:36Safe to say. Yeah, it's a character-driven crime thriller, somewhat of a sort of homage to the 70s, 80s, 90s, even early 2000s, like heist films that I feel like we used to see a lot more of and we just don't tend to make any as much so much now where there's insane action and car chases and intensity, but that's matched by the intensity or there's a momentum and a continuity with the emotional intimate scenes as well. and it was one of the best things I'd read in years. It certainly wasn't the types of scripts I was being sent and I had an interest in doing something very different and this came along and it was up there with my top sort of two, three films.

1:00:21That you've done? That I've done, yeah, that I've been a part of, yeah. Was it like the personal challenge? I mean, your character is kind of this, he's a bad guy that's questioning what's going on with himself? For sure, yeah. Yeah, like all of the, like, so Mark Ruffalo plays the detective, I play a jewelry thief, Halle Berry is an insurance broker, and basically all at sort of a crossroads in their life around, you know, Mark's character's facing police corruption, and if he speaks up, he'll be sent one way, and if he follows suit, he'll get a promotion, and Halle Berry is facing, ageism and feels like she's being passed over.

1:01:02And my guy is in that same sort of that moral ambiguity and that sort of gray space of justifying his criminality. We show the audience and present that he has come from meager means, difficult times in and out of foster homes. And again, not to excuse any of what he does, but it raises, I think, the question of how one got to that point but he does live by very strict code his um there's sort of non-violent you know violence throughout his uh his robberies but he's at a point where he's seeking personal freedom and escape from this world and is presented with this one final sort of heist which is could be the exit and it's each character sort of on a collision course for one another and all sort of interweaved to this pretty, I found, pretty sort of fascinating sort of crescendo and finale.

1:01:58But he's a good guy. You know, he's wrestling with, I think, not having, you know, in my sort of backstory with it, not having strong paternal figures or parental figures that were of, you know, held integrity or maturity for him to look to and to be, I guess, modeled behavior by. So, you know, like a lot of guys that we were speaking to and researched guys in the criminal world came from broken homes and you seek connection and brotherhood and safety in kind of all the wrong places. And it's why a lot of guys end up in gangs. There's sort of, you know, there's family there. Yes, connection. Yeah.

1:02:36And then it's also they're pushing back against a system that in their eyes gave them nothing. So it's like, well, screw you. I'm going to, you know, what did the insurance companies or the banks or the, you know, the high-end jewellery fashion entities ever give me. And so again, none of this is a, my justification for the life of crime, but I think that the script does a great job at presenting deeper, further layers and a deeper sort of, um, presentation about just people, you know, and the human experience. I agree with that. I think that we, uh, one thing I noticed about it is there's a bit more of the story element.

1:03:10There's a bit more of like, you have the action, you have this sort of, um, you know, uh, you have this like a little bit of like, I don't know if it's like Fast and the Furious meets sort of like jewel thievery, you know, sort of like you have this high energy, but you have some sincere storylines about what's going on with these people and just how people get into positions maybe that they didn't even want to be in, but there they are. And how do we still view them as people? And then how do they then operate to the best of their ability, even in not even the best circumstance? Absolutely. Yeah.

1:03:44Did that make any sense or not? No, for sure. That should have been the tagline. That's the most sense I've made in a while. I've been in the presser for three weeks, and I wish I had that quote. It's been rough. Far more succinct than the - The past year, I haven't been able to get something out. It's been tough, man. No, it's true. And it does it sort of, I think when it writes, it doesn't spoon feed or jam down the audience's throat the answers and conclusions for things. It offers up ideas. And again, in the moral ambiguity space of right and wrong, It's like nothing's just black and white.

1:04:16And we love to sort of categorize things. It's easiest for us to understand. But when you kind of get an insight into someone's life, into their backstory, you go, shit, if I was faced with that or I'd come from that, would I make this decision? And if I had an opportunity that was lawfully wrong or immoral on one hand, well, could I justify it through this lens? And if it was going to pull me into personal freedom and escape this shitty position, I mean, would I do it? And then so you're asking those questions as you're along for the ride, hopefully. And I find that the beauty of filmmaking and storytelling is when you're not – when you're given as a choose-your-own-adventure sort of internal process that can occur with what your assumptions are, but also not being so quick to judge, you know?

1:05:05Yeah, because there's moments you're like, oh, this guy is scary. Like your character where he's like, oh, he's scary. He's dangerous. He doesn't care if people die. But then you see, well, he has kind of a code of his own and how he operates within this space. You know, what he thinks of love, what he thinks possible for him. Yeah, it just had a deeper layer than just like sort of a smash and grab and kind of like heist movie. Yeah, that was the goal. You know, it had a little bit of a James Bond-esque in the sense of like, you know, some of the chase scenes and stuff like that reminded me of some of that energy.

1:05:36Yeah, for sure. And just some of the music that went with it. There were certain moments where it gave me some of that energy kind of. You see Heat or Michael Mann and Collateral. It was kind of like those types of films were a big sort of comp where the action, it was a realism and a grit and authenticity to it. But you had complex emotional sort of characters along the way as well. So, yeah, it was a fun one. You ever steal anything good when you were young? You guys ever? Steal anything? Yeah. You ever blow dart a wallaby and sneak over there and run it out of somebody's yard? Blow dart a wallaby?

1:06:08Did you say? Yeah. Just put him down. You think one dart would take a wallaby down or not? It depends what kind of trank is in that dart. You mean like a tranquilizing dart? Something, yeah. A dartboard dart. Oh, trank. I'm talking trank, yeah. Yeah, they go down. The wallabies are tiny. The big kangaroos, I don't know. Oh, dude, not some of the ones I've seen over there. Yeah. Whenever we went to that place outside of Melbourne, there was a big kangaroo park? Yeah. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was outside of... No, there's a lot. there's there's um bro we saw the one that's jacked we saw the nate diaz one you ever see that video the guy punching on with the kangaroo you didn't see that uh the guy the wallaby comes up to get his dog and he literally shapes up throws a left and a right and pop bang just because it's trying i think the wallaby's trying to attack his dog or it's got his dog in a headlock or something um but yeah dude we saw Oh, the one.

1:07:08We were afraid to move, dude. I was waiting for like Keith Peterson to step in. I was waiting for a UFC referee to come in and say, to your neutral corners, you know? I was waiting for Mark Goddard. I mean, I don't know why. This guy's, this is, look at this. Who's that, Luke Bryan? He's got the dog in a headlock. Watch this, ready? Whoop, whoop. Go on, ready? Oof, jab.

1:07:33The kangaroo is like, what the fuck? Is that Luke Bryan? oh that's beautiful that's beautiful dude that dog should have been able to get free though that's a big dog oh they're pretty strong these things and they got little talons big old claws on them oh dude we saw the ones that were very scary but I had such a great time in your country how long were you there for? we were there for probably two weeks one of my favorite times was like we got some just some e-bikes and we went during the day we would go up and down the Gold Coast on the you could you could bike on the sand like basically in the water if you want and there would be nobody out there all day and we would just dude it was like it almost felt like we were on another planet yeah and then I got to meet Chris Lilly came out oh yeah when I was in do you ever see his shows back in the day oh yeah fucking hilarious stop looking at me dick mom that's my dick dad man he did that that's my dick yeah stop touching my dick stop touching my dick Fuck you, Dad.

1:08:37What'd you say? I said, I'd puck you. I said, puck you. Yeah, it's a picture of my dick. I said, love you. Yeah, it would always be his dick. Jonah. That's his name, Jonah. Bro, and what a legend, dude. To get to meet him, it literally felt like you were meeting something, like a rare bird that showed up on a branch to talk with you for a little bit. I remember crossing paths with him when I first started acting. You passed with him? Yeah, as in like he was a mate of mine and crossing paths and just being, he was just what he kind of came up with was like I want to say kind of back when The Office was first coming out but that mockumentary style but he played like seven or eight different characters and yeah talented dude.

1:09:18Oh dude Mr. G dude the musical? Yeah the musical yeah a lot of it like kind of got cancelled a bit now. Bad habit for drugs dude so good dude the fact that we can say welcome to Mr. G's room G's room welcome to Mr. G's room. The fact we can say it and still laugh right now is Oh, mate. That is good stuff. That was like pre kind of like I think a lot of it is, you know, isn't acceptable now. He wouldn't be able to make any of it now, but like that was before anything. I'd make it with him in a heartbeat, dude. Give him a call. I'm sure he's looking to make something. People now would make it easy because you could put it out yourselves.

1:09:56It's like you could do it yourself and put it out. I think he's in the sort of cancel space culture. He kind of got cooked a bit. I think he felt that more than it was very real. Oh, really? Oh, I think so. I think the reality of people. Yeah. Like, I think, like, even, like, people, like, I think he was, like, I don't know if people thought he was making fun of Aboriginal culture or Tongan culture or what it was. Yeah, Polynesian. Polynesian. Dude, those people. I mean, it depends who you spoke to. Yeah, that's a good point. I had Polynesian buddies who, like, loved him and then other guys that were like, nah, it's not cool, bro.

1:10:26Oh, I see. But I, yeah. What's not cool? Me dick? You know? But yeah, I feel you, dude. It was crazy, bro. I love the way you've seen all that. Dude, when he would do the break dancing, bro. Oh, my God. And what was Jermaine? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. He's a year seven. This shit was so good, dude. Oh, fuck. Oh, God bless him, brother. Go watch that. For existing. If you've never seen Summer High Tie. Summer High Tie. You can't find it anywhere except for on YouTube. Yeah. I think on some distant channel, but it's out there. Are there things where you want to, when you're relating with your dad, are there things you want to make sure that he knows now?

1:11:13Is there a responsibility that you feel as a child that it's like, okay, how do I make sure he's okay? Does that make any sense? Yeah, and I think from having kids as well. And even for other people that are experiencing this, since you've had experience with it, if you could just maybe share a little bit of that. So when I had the premiere back in Australia, I had someone come up to me afterward. For Crime 101? No, sorry, for the documentary with my dad. Okay, for Limitless. A Road Trip to Remember. Say it again. A Road Trip to Remember. Got it. And someone come up to me and he said, I was diagnosed around the same time your dad was, and I wish my kids could see this because no one asks me how I am or what I'm afraid of or what I'm experiencing because people are nervous.

1:11:58They don't know how to discuss it. So they dance around it and pretend it's not happening. So you suffer in silence. And the biggest thing I think that has helped, that my dad has responded to, and I'm thankful for having gotten to this place, is asking him how he's feeling about it. Because you talk to your parents about this stuff and then your parents pass away and then who do you talk to? And it hit me that, God, he doesn't have his dad to go and have these hard conversations or these vulnerable moments with or his mom anymore. And so trying to give him that, give him that space. But also I know there's a – I remember 15 years ago that transition of when him realizing he wasn't the authority and we knew – as we as young men now working and knew more about things and weren't seeking his advice as much.

1:12:47I remember seeing that on his face and that – and it not registering enough for me to do anything about it but kind of being aware that like the changing of the guard was occurring. And so I go to him now and, and, um, and I'll ask him things that I may know the answer to, you know, or, or just so he feels like there is still agency and he has the autonomy and, and they want to see, thank you. Um, they want to feel like they still matter on this purpose. That's a good point. You don't think about that, that when that changing the guard happens, that there's a, there's a value loss or potential like hypothesized value loss for the parent.

1:13:24Oh, for sure. And I, even my kids, my daughter's 13, my boys are 11 and I'm already feeling that like, Oh, I'm not cool. And I'm not necessarily who they look to. And, and it's like, you know, and they're young, but they're watching Andrew Tate or whatever, watching all sorts of bullshit and have other role models. But, but it's like, I think, you know, and then I'm, I'm 42, you know, but I can't imagine in the 60s, 70s when that gap becomes far greater and especially facing having dementia and realizing your memories are being stripped away and that vulnerability that just making sure they still feel like that they are of purpose and that they have an opinion and the opinion matters.

1:14:03And so, yeah, if anyone's going through it, that would be my advice is check in with them, ask them how they're feeling, ask them what they're afraid of because no one asks them. That's such a great question. What are you afraid of? Yeah, it's easy to say, hey, how are you? But that's not the same thing. And that won't bring out the answer. Like I asked him on the show and he went, I just don't want to be a burden. And it was like, oh, fuck. And I had no idea that he felt that. I thought it was going to be about the kind of losing control of this and that and the other. But it was like he was more concerned with what it was going to do to the group.

1:14:40Yeah, that's what my mom says sometimes. I don't want to be any burden. Yeah. And it makes me think like, oh yeah, like, I don't know. And in some ways I've always wanted my mom to be like a burden. Like, I don't know, like the inverse of a burden, kind of whatever that is, like a positive burden or just like, I don't know. Like a beautiful responsibility or it's, yeah. But for that to say, yeah, I don't want to be a burden. Do you find that it gives you purpose though? You know, like it's like having this time with him as kind of confronting as it's been has also given me a greater sense of like what matters and also it's like the roles to transfer and at a certain point as an adult you've got to realize oh i now need to take care of them right and you know and especially men i don't know but in australia there's a real like you know um avoidance around that sort of vulnerability or the other sort of admittance to i may be afraid of something or I need a hand.

1:15:38And so offering that up rather than having to get them to come to you and say, please check in with me. That's a huge thing. Yeah. What are you afraid of? Yeah. Yeah. Because that's really what I want to know probably. Yeah. Yeah. The other day I was thinking, like I messaged my mom and I was like, Hey mom, is there anything that you need? Is there any like trip that you've always wanted to take? Is there anything? Cause you know, now I have some finances where I could help do something, you know, or if she wants to do something, you know and uh or is there anything that you know yeah is there anything that you want you know and she's like nothing that i can think of you know whereas you always think that it's like oh i'm gonna get these like i'll have the ability to do this thing and that'll make it perfect but it's like no that's not real i always thought that like i would buy my mom things and jewelry and she was like it's lovely but like i want your time you know i mean just yesterday she was like can i schedule in one of your meetings to just get 15 minutes just with you and i was like oh And she goes, well, I'm sort of half joking, but serious.

1:16:35And you forget, like, yes, when you get busy, like, it's like, yeah, I'll get to that. I'll get to that. And all these other things. At least you can put her off on one of your other good-looking brothers. Yes. Like, that's got to be nice. Like, look, talk to the other good-looking brother. Dude, I bet you didn't even have wallpaper on him. It was just mirrors everywhere. Just mirrors were so excited. Like, he's coming. He's coming. Sorry, dude. This is seeming a little big. Dude. Whatever, bro. Pull me a Foster's. You ever drink Foster's? I think I have, yeah. It's the big can. I like drinking.

1:17:10This is what I would do, though. I would drink it with two hands. If I had a big old, like, extra large absurd can for a while. Oh, it reminded me of Sean and Marley. You ever seen Sean and Marley? No. Oh, bro, bring them up. They're Aussies, man. Sean and Marley? They're the best, yeah. Get down with Sean and Marley. Put me on there. Show me on. You never seen these guys? These guys are the best. Chris, if you, bro, next time you're home, this is one of the best times I ever had in my whole life. Did you do this in Australia or here? Yeah, in Australia. How you going? Good, kid. All right. Can you hug it?

1:17:50Yeah. Dude, they're chefs. I've never seen these guys. Thank you, boys. Thank you for welcoming me here. Yes. I'm very happy to be here. I would say this is very fun. He come to us and come see me and Sean. From USA? USA. You've been to have you been to America? I can't remember. Yeah. I can't remember. And look it's becoming unmemorable I'll tell you that. Get to the part with the beer though. We made beer chicken right? So these guys do recipes. Bro if you ever like I'm not saying but this would be an easy thing for you to go and do a a little shower with a little cooking And bro, they live, they don't live together.

1:18:35One of them has Down syndrome. I don't think one of them does, but one of them is just Korean or whatever. Yeah, they're just mates, but they've been French for a long time. We made beer chicken, right? How was it? Oh, dude. Yeah, it was good. But Marley took the beer right out, the hot beer, and just drank it straight out of the oven. Freaking legend, brother. Pulled chicken juice and scalding hot temperature. Look at that. That can is probably 200 degrees, bro. Your receptors is off, baby. You got to come up a little bit. Bro, he's right, that bitch, right out of the thing, bro. But, dude, their families are so sweet.

1:19:14And they invited us over to their home. And they made, like, up there, there's a piece of art up above, like, on the mantel up there on the right. Yeah. Right there. They made, like, a rat for, like, the rat king. Like, they did, like, special things to make it just for me. But their families are there, dude. And it's, like, the best. And they have the best time. but bro just to even um you would it was honestly i think it was the best part of my trip besides getting to perform the shows yeah but that's right outside of sydney i believe yeah we've got a rabbit eyes top on which is uh russell crowe's rugby team which is a sydney oh yeah team yeah the that that green and uh that must be the heroes then because they'll go to a lot of the games and stuff like that but sean and marley are the best bro they're all legends dude And I think they still do this show all the time.

1:20:00So that'd be pretty cool to go see it. Whenever you get into spaces where you're like, you know, we're talking earlier about like kind of regrouping and getting a new look at things and like, you know, having some moments of self-evaluation and reflection and seeing if like my old dreams are still my current dreams and where have they gotten me and what do I do now and enjoying kind of the freedom of not knowing or not being sure exactly where I'm at in my journey. um what are there practices that you go to to help you gain a little bit more clarity there like could it be something like just spending time with certain people or meditation like are there some practices that you use yeah for me um i'm not great at like traditional seated meditation i could benefit from it if i was to sort of force myself to do it but i prefer physical movement like training.

1:20:53Surfing for me is an obvious one. Oh, yeah? I've done that since I was 10 years old. And if I spend too long out of the ocean, my whole sort of being starts to suffer in one way or the other. Not just vitamin D, but the sort of, I don't know, that sort of magnetic pull the ocean has to me, but that's my true happy place. So, yeah, I spend a lot of - Oh, dang. A lot of time surfing. You're comfortable enough on a surfboard to make a gang sign, dude? That is. That's actually in a wave pool. That's in Abu Dhabi in the mechanical man wave. Have you been to Pipe? Yeah. Dude, I just went like two weeks ago.

1:21:32I went 15 years ago once. It's cool, huh? Bro, it was so cool. I didn't know they had the Lexus pipeline competition was going on. Oh, yeah, right, of course. And so I went. Big event, huh? each day when I went, it had been canceled for the day because the conditions weren't perfect. But that's one thing that's so amazing about it. It makes it so unique about these surf competitions is that it can only happen if the water is right. So it was like, it was almost this little Mecca that we'd make each day. Cause about an hour from where I was staying, which was silly. I should have just stayed up in the North shore, but I get there and we'd, and they're like, yeah, it's canceled for the day.

1:22:08But it was just like, even seeing that and seeing like, oh this is a real thing like so many people come out and like and they all the surfers stay are in this place and like it gave me a whole different appreciation for it yeah it's especially pipe i mean that that event is they wait for it to be big and intense and and beautiful and and and if it's not gonna hit those you know that that uh if it's not gonna live up to that they don't run the competition until it does and so you're often in for a pretty epic um week of competition but uh that place is talk about like the power of the ocean and different regions you know that you'll have a six foot wave there which feels like fucking 20 foot compared to what a six foot wave would be at a beach break somewhere else and and this the way the ocean comes from big deep water and just hits big slabs of of reef is pretty pretty mind-blowing and awe-inspiring and yeah special man it's yeah just you feel the power of it all yeah do you say have you ever surfed?

1:23:06I surfed. I used to live in Charleston, South Carolina. I would surf out there some, so I could do it, but I would need to go focus on it. I think it just like recently what I've been thinking is, man, I just want to like, and it's like, I could do it, but it's like, um, you know, podcasting, it's a lot of attention, you know, you're like going for the next week. It's like having a show every week. And so, uh, you're preparing and sometimes we do two a week now because there's so many different people to talk with. And so, uh, it's another skill you've got to learn it's another it's a lot of hours yes and it's it's it's hard to like feel like i'm always like um all right i gotta make sure this next one is okay yeah i'm never at a place where i feel like yeah so it's like i need to give myself a little more space and grace and just be like okay if you do go for a week or two go do some things that you also want to enjoy you know i do you find it hard to switch off what you mean when you when you have yes i do find it hard to switch off but i also find it like you know like take some time and go do these these things and i'm not complaining i know i can do it i think it's just like it's like we're talking about earlier like having that space in your life yeah letting the uncertain have a little bit more room to walk around you know yeah yeah the observation yes stepping back it's like yeah like what will i see if i were to go have some new experiences like you know yeah and and what will i learn when i'm a little separate and just being like that is as much of the value as being sitting here looking under the microscope is standing out of the room and, um, and not even being in the laboratory, you know, and just like having some of that energy.

1:24:38So I'm not complaining. I know I can do it, but it's just like, um, that's some of it probably is a fear. Yeah. You know, no, it's hard to get off the, the train of when there's momentum with anything, you know, especially if you've been shocked by the handbraking of when it doesn't work out or things are kind of static and you're sitting on shit, how only I, or I was had that type of energy and so to sort of willingly by your choice step off is, is this, it, there's a risk to that, but it also is kind of scary because it's like, there's a safety net and just carrying on as, as exhausting and maybe detrimental that could be because you're missing other things.

1:25:14It's like the, uh, there's a risk involved, but again, I'm sure with you, you've found the same thing in life when you've stepped outside of the bubble, the bigger lessons are learned, the biggest sort of experiences occur. And, um, I think I came from that place where that was the thing I loved the most. Yeah. You know, but it's okay. It's all interesting. And I think that's why I like even just having time like this today to think about this. It's like, yeah, we've been talking and we've been podcasting, but it's like, I think this is a conversation that I just needed to hear, you know? Oh, cool.

1:25:44So I mean, it's like I said at the start of none of it, I've figured out. It's like, I just want to keep continually sort of asking and exploring and then hopefully not being too bogged down and having to come up, come up with the outcome of the definitive certainty of it's just staying curious um i feel like is the is the more fulfilling place to be in you know um you're going you're are you almost back to australia heading back home yeah i have the premiere tonight um for crime 101 and then oh yeah and i fly back home tomorrow that's i've been gone for three weeks and it's it's hard man with like with kids oh and they're here with you now no no and they're at the age where like they weren't really aware of time, you know, for a long time.

1:26:24And now they're like, it pisses them off, you know? And it's like, well, how long you said this? And, you know, I used to say - You're supposed to be here, dad. You're supposed to be here and you're never here. And then it's like - It's not a dick, dad. Yeah. It's not a dick. A dick, dad. So, looking forward to getting back. Stop looking at my dick, miss. Miss. Touch my dick, miss. That guy's crazy. Bro, that kid was crazy to be saying dick that much at school? Like 24-7 as well. he's a ranger he's a ranger miss yeah

1:26:54stop calling him a ranger well he is miss why not yeah yeah dude and didn't his dad come down one time yeah his dad come down because no this is the funniest one so he does a drawing and it's basically a drawing of an image leaning over and touching him on the groin and he's just taking the piss and the teacher's like what's this he's like oh that's me and my dad you know so she comes down the principals involved the teachers involved and then they call the dad in and they're like yeah we're really concerned about you know what's happened and he goes yeah i made it up and then the dad loses his shit what the fuck what would i touch his dick for what did you fucking say

1:27:40thank god there's humor in the world oh my god what else what else you know if if we can't laugh and have fun and enjoy the experience. What the hell are we doing? What's the way that you communicate with your children or teach them to communicate that you think has been like a novel choice for you or something that you brought along from a place that you learned? Like, has that been a practice for you to do that? Because it just seems like you try to have some awareness about why you think certain ways and why you operate, whereas some people don't. Is it even possible to incorporate that into some of your kids' interactions and lives?

1:28:16You do, but I think the biggest thing I've learned is nothing I say is really imprinted. It's like they learn by example. And if I'm not modeling that behavior, it doesn't matter how many times I tell them, you know, do as I say, not as I do. It's just, it's rubbish. And so if I'm trying to tell them to get off their phones and so on, or stop swearing and this, I've got to do it, you know. But it, exposing them to nature, you know, like they're, and we lived in LA for probably uh, probably 10 years. My wife and I, before we had kids and then we had kids, we were here for about a year or two and it was like kind of chaos trying to do anything with the kids and paparazzi and, and so on.

1:28:55And moved back to Australia. And what pervert would take pictures of a kid? That's the weird thing. You know what I'm saying? Except for most of the people in our, you know, this business, except for most capitalists and Hollywood elites. Oh, it's brutal. Yeah. No. And, and so we went back home and we just didn't get that, that sort of attention in a great way. Has it been a good choice you made? the best ever, like a big conscious choice to leave the, the, the environment that was kind of, even for my own personal sanity, like reminded of what I was doing or what I was not doing. And so it's very hard to escape the kind of work, the thought process, but for them just to look to expose them to what I thought was a normal, you know, upbringing and being as much outdoors.

1:29:37And so we have a farm and they surf and we've got motorbikes and horses and, And look, what a luxury that is. You know, that's not where, like we grew up in the bush, but we had no money, you know, and now very different sort of financial circumstances. And that's the trick is trying to teach them the same sort of appreciation and gratitude that I had learned by not having, my parents not having money, but now we're equipped very differently. That's tough to do. It's a really tricky one, you know, but - It's hard to teach your kids your same struggle. Yeah, and it's, so you try and, uh, it exposed them to sort of different situations or parts of the world, but it's also in sort of in discussing with them the not taking it for granted and having gratitude for it.

1:30:23Um, but also, you know, I talk to my mom about this all the time and she's like, I could show you, you know, whether on this pay scale or, you know, this end of the spectrum finance or not healthy and unhealthy people and it's about love and security and do they feel safe to explore this world and explore who they are genuinely you know and do they feel seen and so making sure we're there and present and when I'm not working I'm 100 % there and in your head's not somewhere else but um just getting them outdoors you know it's it's it's the biggest thing they went to a school traditional sort of school and then we put them in the school where it's just like 15 kids and three teachers and they surf for two hours in the morning and then they do like really focused learning for a couple hours in the afternoon and it's it's kind of like homeschooling in a way but they they're absorbing that information more because they've exerted energy through the through the day but there's less kids and more teachers so there's far more kind of personal interaction but the it's almost like sort of accidental learning where they'll they'll talk about you know their math class might be around shaping a surfboard so it's you know six foot two and 18 and a half inches.

1:31:31And you know, what's the leaderage and the volume. And so they're calculating things where there's, there's an invested interest as opposed to just numbers on a board and, and, and, you know, they're happier than they've ever been. They've been at school for a year and a half or two years. And that's a blessing, man. And a lot of people are talking about homeschool here, more in America, you're starting to see a lot more of it. I'm friends with Candace Owens and she talks about this all the time is like, get your kids into a space if you can, where other like neighborhood moms or dads are also doing the teaching and people.

1:32:02I'd be worried if it was homeschooling me trying to teach them, you know, that would be, we did that in COVID and that was a nightmare. And you were teaching them during COVID. Oh, just all of us were being, every parent was being sent like the curriculum and it was like trying to teach them math, you know, grade five math that none of it made any sense to whatever math I learned in high school 20 years ago. And I was like, let's go outside and have a surf. And you know, would you have a chalkboard or whatever? No. Oh, no, we had just like, it was, to get them to do the right one sentence was just like World War III.

1:32:32It was all three of them were just like constant protest and not listening. And I called my buddy, who was their teacher, and I said, how are you doing it? He goes, mate, I can't even get my own teachers, my kids to do it. He said, let's just catch up when this thing passes. So we had outdoor education, which was like adventure. Homeschooling hits record numbers. Last year, last academic year, DIY education grew at nearly three times the average rate it did during the COVID-19 pandemic. So it's growing at three times the rate that it did during COVID. That's unbelievable. In the 2024-2025 school year, homeschooling continued to grow across the United States, increasing in an average rate of 5.4%.

1:33:08Amen, dude. I think the system in a lot of places can be contrived. So to have some autonomy over what your children are learning. This is nearly three times the pre-pandemic homeschooling growth rate of almost 2%. Recent estimates put the total homeschooling population at about 6 % of students across the United States compared to about 3 % pre-pandemic. I wonder how much of that is like, you know, parents teaching their kids or a group, you know, 10 or 12. Like I said, that's the problem. I think it's class sizes are too big. You've got one person for 30 kids. It's like, God, fucking good luck, you know?

1:33:43Whereas having more of a sort of mentorship tutoring sort of program where it's less children, more teachers. but oh it's yeah when there's just some connection yeah because when you're just sitting there and you're just you're almost just like a piece of cattle for information that's what you feel like in school a lot of times i would remember that it would be like yeah well there's just this information i write it down and it's like what are we there's it doesn't feel like no there's no relationship to it there's got to be a better way to do this and there's no real relationship to each other while we're learning it except knowing like a dick on someone a dick on the desk um let me see the fraction of parents saying k-12 education is heading in the wrong direction was fairly stable from 2019 to 2022, but rose in 2023 and then again in 2024 to its highest level in a decade.

1:34:26The reasons for the move away from public schools certainly vary from family to family, but there have been notable developments in recent years. During the pandemic, many parents discovered that their preferences regarding school closures and health policies were anything but a priority for educators. I don't even know if teachers have as much individuality and autonomy as they used to anyway. Yeah, and it's tricky for, my mom was a teacher, It's just - Yeah, what does she say about it? Oh, just how - And this is America too. America is definitely - Yeah, but it's just how - It's the hardest, one of the hardest jobs in the world.

1:34:57And she just said trying to control 30 different personalities and then teach 30 different personalities who have different styles of learning and absorbing information was just chaos. And yeah, that's how it is. You look at our education system 500 years ago now, it hasn't changed. It's just chalkboard and people sitting at a desk looking in one direction. Yet every other form of industry has evolved. exponentially that's a great point and so i think we there does need to be a big drastic shift and how we're teaching our kids and and you know like a lot that people talk a lot about sort of you know ai and so on and and and you know absorbing information do kids absorb it better and can you then curate it more but you have to have an individual there you know we can't sort of cut off the human experience um or the human connection part of it but i would if you could control it you want to incentivize teachers and encourage more people to come into this industry by paying them more.

1:35:53So government funding because they don't get paid enough. They don't get rewarded enough. It's dark. I mean, yeah, the fact that we don't pay them and nurses now. Yeah. It's backwards. It's heartbreaking. Yeah. It's kind of, it's just like, and it's not the people. No, it's the elites. It's the government. That's the sick part. It's like, yeah, no, there's sort of a, yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole. Yeah. We could go down a rabbit hole. But let's, let's just stay in the garden for today in the garden brother we'll stay in the garden for today um crime 101 it's in theaters valentine's day weekend oh yeah get your lady out of your gay and both you guys like action that's right you know what i'm saying which is kind of rare in a gay relationship usually one dude kind of you know is a little bit more bridges in madison county and uh you know but whatever you know you like heist films yeah if you like heist films character driven you know thought provoking you like some espionage you like different levels of heist yeah you want to support the heisters and thomas crown affair he collateral it's a big beautiful cinematic experience shot in the gritty streets of los angeles so nothing gets shot here anymore either so there's a nostalgia to watching this film i think that the people appreciate you know yeah david spade and i made a movie and i know i've said this before on here it's coming out in april yeah we shot in uh just north that right outside of here oh cool and here actually we shot some of it in places that i even been to aa meetings dude we shot in places where i've done AA meetings over the years.

1:37:16Oh, cool. So it was pretty legendary. But yeah, it's great to see something shot in LA. And if you've been to LA, you'll see parts in the background where I was like, oh, that's Venice, like whenever Ruffalo was sitting outside with Halle Berry. Yeah, yeah. And Halle Berry's in it, huh? Fantastic. Man, what a force. It was crazy working with her. I've admired her for so long, and she's incredible. And then it was one of those, I've had this happen one time with Cate Blanchett as well, where I'm so intimidated by the person and watching them, and in the middle of the scene, but also captivated by what they're doing that I'm just like an audience member and I'm forgetting that I have to contribute.

1:37:50I'm just going, and she's that and she's just a beautiful human being. Barry Keoghan's in it. He's an absolute wild man. Yeah, that was a surprise. Yeah. He talked about dangerous electricity on screen, on and off the camera. He has such an unpredictability about him and it's just captivating. Well, you feel like he's in control of what he's doing, you know? know yeah it's still crazy that he was slurping up that dude's bath water or whatever you know in the other film you know what i'm saying i love the fosters you know what i'm saying bro that's what i'm saying bro i don't sip out of the bottom of the tub anymore i'll drink off the top of the tub you know the top water but i'm not that undercurrent that's just for him and my friend crosby fitzgerald is in it as well she plays ma in the new remake of um the little house on the Prairie that's coming out.

1:38:40So our fans over the years know that I love that show. And she has just a small role in it. There she is right there. Beautiful young lady, so talented. And that show is going to be on Netflix coming out soon. But Crime 101, it's in theaters now. Give my best to your brother. I will, man. And to your brothers. Yeah. And yeah, thanks so much for coming and just sharing some information with us, dude. I appreciate you, man. I love the show and have been excited to come on for a long time. So thanks for having me. Yeah, dude, it was fun and I I appreciate it. And tell everybody in Australia that I said what's up.

1:39:09And we're coming back there, dude. And we're going to go to the beach. And we're going to do everything. You hit me up. We'll go on an e-bike. And we'll hit the coast. Good day. Yeah, good day for that. All right. Cheers, man. Thank you so much. Thanks so much, man. Now I'm just floating on the breeze. And I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take...