#648 - Vince Vaughn

21:47Yeah, just like it's beautiful and amazing, and there's these beaches, and there's all this insane history. Were you there for a vacation or work? I went there one time to Johannesburg to do a comedy festival. I went once when I did this thing called Semester at Sea where you went as a student on this boat, and we went there. Yeah. Do you ever go somewhere for work and then say, I want to come back when I have some downtime to hang? That's cool. That's the great thing about our work is you get to travel. Yeah. I find that to be a great education. Oh, yeah, for sure, dude. Going to Vietnam or whatever.

22:18I'm trying to think of some other neat places. Yeah, what's a place that you filmed in that you were like, wow, this kind of blew my mind, even if it was an American city? Yeah, there's been a lot of them. I mean, I remember going, you know, as a kid, getting to go to New York and actually living there was a big, very different for me, obviously, than I lived there for a while. And you were acting then or not? I was, yeah. I never really traveled anywhere, bro, until work took me there. Like for us, a vacation was in a – we would get in a station wagon. Where would y 'all go? We'd drive to Florida or Arizona.

22:49Dude, Florida. You try not to get grounded because everyone's hopped up on sugar and shit and you're crowded in. And you try not to get in trouble in the back. But we didn't really – we would drive most places for spring break. I never left – I had relatives in Canada from my mom's side. So we would go up there. but I never went to Europe ever. Yeah. Until I had gone for work. For sure. Did you? No, dude, we didn't even know about Europe. The guy, the janitor that drew the map on our, like, cement at our school left out three states of it, dude. So there was, like, people were like, what is happening?

23:25How does that happen? They just, you know, they probably - What were the states? You wouldn't know, because they didn't put them down. Yeah, well, I think it was somewhere, some of it, I think Maine, I knew that Maine was missing. I didn't want to call them out because I felt kind of bad for the guy. But anyway, yeah. So we weren't going to Europe, dude. I remember Canada, they didn't even have it when I was a kid or whatever. They had like a picture. I remember in our classroom, they had America. Yeah. Because it was very, everything was very American and very like we are America. And then they had a picture of a wolf like chasing a boy.

23:55And that was Canada, like chasing a cold boy. And that was like what we thought was going on outside of there. And Florida was the greatest place you could go in the world. If somebody went to Florida and they came back to school and they shirt on and said Florida, you were like, oh. Oh, man, you killed it. They are so rich. Totally. That's nice. You guys would drive all the way from Illinois down to Florida? Yeah, we have relatives in Ohio. I'd go see my grandfather, had a little farm. What kind of animals did they have over there? He just had cows. He just had cows. I remember. I like cows. They're warm.

24:30Yeah. I remember as a kid, I was like in first grade and we were studying the pilgrims. And the pilgrims were all in black and white. And so we drove from the farm to go see my grandfather. I never saw him much. But when you get to the smaller roads, they're like this narrow. You can't get around. There's just two lanes and those country roads are smaller roads. And we were behind Amish. I'd never seen Amish people. Oh, yeah. Never knew. Time travelers. I thought they were pilgrims. So you had a bunch of kids in black and white in the back of the carriage, you know, kind of staring at us. Like you couldn't break eye contact because they're looking right at you.

25:10They're fucking slow, bro. They're not moving. Like this horse is not excited. And we're sitting behind them. We had like a Lincoln Town car or something. My dad was driving. And it was so slow going. And I remember going, why won't these pilgrims get out of our way? And my dad lost his mind. He pulled the car over and took my head off. You're no better than these people. who are you to talk like that about someone? But he didn't realize, like, I really thought they were pilgrims. Wow. I really thought that that was a pilgrim because I had had a slur. I couldn't even understand. Of course. What?

25:40These people live in not touching electricity, you know what I mean? But my dad's great and my mom, but they were real keen on, you know, making sure that you were, I think because they moved me to a nicer area, they were real big on making sure I wasn't, you know, feeling better than anybody. But I think he got that one wrong. I think he thought I was making fun of these Amish people. I didn't know what they were. Yeah. You're like, this could be Christopher Columbus's children or whatever over here. And they just, you know, they're all hopped up on cheese curds and they're slowing down. They're slow as fuck and we can't get around them.

26:11Dude, that's hilarious, bro. Yeah. That's kind of what we had in our classroom. We were super pro-America too. Everything was. It was taught in that way. The Pledge of Allegiance. Which I thought was good. Hell yes. Me too. I liked it. By the way, I love it. I did too. Yeah. Well, it kept us together. It was like one thing you had in common. It was like, at a certain point, if you don't have anything in common, if you take away things that people have in common, then they don't have anything in common. I still feel the same way. I still feel like it's the best out there. Not that it's perfect.

26:36There's a lot of stuff going on. I don't think we even, I don't know how much control everyone even has over it. But I still love the idea of it. Well, a lot of people are going to homeschool now, too. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. There's more parents have switched to homeschooling now than even during COVID. I did some of it. You did it? My daughter in first grade, we did it. I did some, you know, I put it. Well, that's easy to teach though, dude. Traveling the hard of grades. Oh, you did. I had a lady that was good, yeah. But I get a curriculum, you know, and then I'd have, pick a curriculum that I like, had a lady.

27:05But the first year she was by herself, which she'd look at me when I'd leave her in the classroom like, fuck this. No one wants to be sitting by themselves. So then I found a public hybrid school where she would go two days a week. And then I moved her to a local Catholic school. And now she goes to a big public high school and she's doing great. Nice. But for all the same reasons, you start looking at this stuff and figuring that you want to try to give an education that is not so drowning and beating them down. Yeah. You know what I mean? Not really exactly. I mean, let me think about beating them down.

27:40Well, meaning everything was taught from a place for a while, like pointing out everything bad and you can't say this. Oh, yeah. You can't feel this way or so much guilt education. Yeah. And, oh, you're bad to feel this way or that way. And so I didn't. For sure. I thought it's just too heavy. And also like just a hatred of anything. And I just, I always, you know, like an optimism, positive. And why not share different ideas? Why not have different opinions? Yeah. And create an environment where you can talk about different things. Yeah. It feels like there's a lot. Yeah, like kids were just feeling bad about themselves.

28:16Like we did this. Right. Our people did this. Lesson one. It's like, what are we doing? I'd go to my kids and say, when I would get stuff, I'd say, this is not the history of how this shit started. This is not real. We didn't invent any of this shit. You know, so you'd have to kind of go, and that's a lot of work. Yeah. Oh, yeah, because then you're kind of reprogramming, I bet. You know what time it is. It's time for me to tell you about PrizePix. PrizePix is America's number one sports pick app. The app is really easy to use. That's what I like about it. To get started, just pick more or less on two or more players' stat projections and lock in your picks.

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31:45I'm 45. Yeah. So I'm going to die. I'm not going to die soon, but I'm going to, you know. You got time. I think the thing that happens is we're so focused on the career and it takes up so much time. and it's easy to put that to the sidelines. But then as you get older, sometimes the joy or the things we got from the career aren't as high as they were. And you start to look at family and the idea of it and say that would be fun. So you take kind of the same approach that you take towards your career and you start to put those ideas on meeting somebody. And then you start to work at it in the same kind of way.

32:23And I think, in my opinion, And sometimes what are the things I'm doing that are good? What's not good? What's a good thing to bring to a relationship? What's not working on yourself in a weird way? You'll come in contact with somebody more than I got to go to the right class or go out during the day. It's more about doing that kind of work on yourself. And then I think you'll kind of attract somebody in a similar mindset. But I would say put – don't put it off. Just focus on it a little bit in the same way that you've done with your career. Did you have to do that in your – like – Yeah, I got to a point like you did and I thought – at first I thought maybe you don't get all the cards in life.

33:01Like maybe I was so not focused on this. Right. It just doesn't work out. Now I'm older and I wish I would have gotten started sooner. But then I thought I want to ask God for those years back. Like I can get those years better than I would have had them if I'm asking for them now because now I'm wanting that. Does that make sense? Yeah. So now that you want it, you say, why can't I have it now in whatever way it looks for you at 45? Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I think the more I just keep realizing it's not me like, because sometimes I'm like, I don't really want to go out or go do this thing or something.

33:35But maybe I'll meet somebody, right? And maybe I'll, but then it's a lot of times I'm still meeting somebody with the same kind of, I'm showing up with some of the same problems that I still, that have prevented me. So I think you're right about instead of like out there metal detecting, maybe stay home and work on the magnet a little bit. But I think do it with grace too. You can say, you know, I don't want to do this. This would be better. What do I look – and also I think you go, what do I want in a person that I'm going to be married to? What do I want and what don't I want? Like just thinking about it.

34:04It's almost like the same as a stand-up. What kind of venues do I want to play? What kind of podcast? What do I want to do? And by making those decisions, you can manifest something you're excited about. Yeah, I think a good mom, that's what I want to have. A wife that's a good mom. That's probably the number one thing. 100%. Did your wife have to introduce you to her dad or whatever, like they do in the movies or whatever? They were kind of, I met them pretty quickly. I did call him and said I'm going to ask her to marry, and I think he was appreciative of it. But they weren't as much like that.

34:35I was raised like that. Yeah. Were you? No, dude. There was like a lot of domestic abuse in our area, and people hiding drugs in each other's bedrooms and stuff like that. So it was more - But those are relationships that aren't going well. Yeah, pretty much. Right. But I'm saying you would want to, you know, the family. Yeah, yeah. I would like to have like a family. I'm okay with like people fighting at night before they go to bed a little bit. Show me a normal family, I'll show you a liar. Everyone's going to go through their bullshit. No one's like fucking killing it. You know what I mean?

35:05Everyone's got their shit they fight about. There's days anybody's mad at anybody. So that's never going to go away. You're just trying to aim it a little better. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, just shoot a little bit. And a little bit, I just want my arrow to end at least in a different area. Yeah, yeah. But, dude, yeah, I remember one time we were so mad at our mom, and we were, like, crying. We were all crying. We tried to, like, put all of our tears in, like, a little jar, and we were going to take them to the police and be like, look what's happening at the house. But they won't stay in there.

35:31Like, in the morning, they were gone or whatever. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Yeah. But I remember that. I remember us like. Were you real tight with your mom? No, we weren't that tight, but we're tighter now. That's good. Yeah, I just went and surprised her for Valentine's Day the other day. That's nice. We had a nice time, dude. You got brothers and sisters? Yeah, I got a couple brothers and sisters. Close? It's gotten better over the years. Yeah. Yeah. What do you got? Same. It's older sisters. And you were the boy? I was the youngest, yeah. And they were older sisters? Yeah. No. Did they ever have friends come over and you were just like ogling or whatever?

36:02Or were you put on a tuxedo? They were five or six years older. Dude, that's the best. I would sometimes get thrown under the bus to look cool for the older friends. You know, like you'd hang out and play. And then when the older friends would come, you weren't included. That's normal shit. Yeah. Go hide, Vince. Yeah. Did they call you Vince or did they, what'd they call you? They called me Vince if they weren't mad at me. Then they'd call you anything. We'd fight like crazy younger. Like you'd be hot and then you'd be friends and you'd love each other. You know, like anything. Yeah. You'd really go at it when you go.

36:30Did you have this? Sometimes when you get in a fight with your siblings, it's really like a game of tag. you'd be so pissed and you'd hit somebody but then you'd be afraid because now you got them so then you they'd turn around mad and now they try to come to get you real bad and you were trying to get to the door to shut it and then if they got you it would go the other way yeah so it's like whoever got the other one hard last it's kind of how the fights would go yeah it would end when somebody everybody brought it to mom and then seeing kids run around their mom is one of the funniest things you know yeah like they're hiding it's so funny when you watch a kid with their mom sometimes and they're just like you know they're moving in between the moms like they're just running or you know they're all like are they're fighting around the mom that kind of shit's fun or even how kids play hide and seek yeah like an ostrich their ass will stick out but their head will be behind the curtain you ever seen kids play hide and seek oh dude sometimes a kid will just sit there and cover his eyes laughing wildly yeah dude we could see you dude thank god there's not a kidnapper after the kid yeah we didn't have i think we had some we had a decent some amount of like uh they used to have a law that they would put like if you was like a sex offenders or whatever children sex offenders you had to go around and go door to door right which was the worst because we all we lived at how our mom was working so it would just be these guys would come and they'd be like i have to let you know i live in the air i'm a sex offender it would just be us kids i live in the air i'm into super young guys just letting you know mom but mom would be gone and that was like at every house i'm like who put this rule together yeah now it's on an app yeah that's easier now i know but it's weird because you're like oh geez this guy over here yeah only a 60 feet better not know we just walk around we were always outside going around nobody paid attention to us dude yeah that was being living at that was the best we had this one kid named kirby that tried to crawl through the ditch culvert one time and the government had to come and get him or whatever i remember the government had to come get him that government man came down to do some work shit like that was the best way this dude in milford that would drive uh the school bus and he was always they were always coming and checking to see if he was drunk it was just like it was yeah but there was nothing like that being like we find out stuff later that a teacher molested people and stuff oh yeah you find that out later yeah yeah anyway that kind of took a turn yeah um let's talk a little bit about well i watched your movie uh mike and nick and nick and alice alice yeah it's cool man yeah cool the way that they shot somewhere they slowed it down Yeah.

38:54You know what I'm talking about? Stylized, yeah. Yeah, it was interesting. Was that a choice that was made kind of later? Do you have any clue? Or do you have anything to do about that? It's a director who puts it all together. And he kind of has a stylized point of view to do it. But I liked it. I thought it came out cool. Yeah, well, it's just bizarre. It made me think, oh, things can be different. Like flashbacks, yeah. Yeah. Like when he would do flashbacks, you're saying. Well, even with the – there's a moment where they have that cat that's in there and they show him. but it's like it goes in slow motion just for like a moment or something.

39:23I just thought it was pretty stylized. That's what I thought. I agree. Yeah, and so I don't want to give too much of it away, but so your character kind of goes back. What can we say? You can say whatever you want. Just kind of a sci-fi thing where it's like a rated R comedy with action, and it's got this kind of sci-fi twist to it. And your character, you play two characters of you. Yes. Yeah. it was kind of cool to see like because you always wonder well I wonder what it would be like if you played this character in this thing while you're watching somebody in something but to see him play two people that was like oh that's it's like I can't even explain it it was just like it almost seemed like an experiment it's crazy what they do with technology now because you kind of film one side of it then you film the other side and they put it you know together like it's one thing that technology has gotten so much more advanced was there tough moments to play like two different characters in the same thing or you didn't really think about it.

40:19I was amazed at how different the guys actually seemed because I was like, oh, well, at one point I'm just going to kind of get confused, but I didn't at all. Yeah. They make them a little different because one's obviously been alive longer and you're going back in time, but yeah, it was a different experience for sure. So I kind of like doing stuff that's a little different. You get bored doing the same stuff. So anytime I'm doing something that's a little different, I like that. So it was, it wasn't too bad. I mean, sometimes it was just more stuff to film because you're playing two characters in a scene.

40:47Oh, that's true. But I like trying different stuff. Was there... I read some of you were almost in The Matrix one time. I don't know about that. I don't remember that. There's stuff I've turned down, but I don't remember that being one of them. Yeah. Your first... One of your first movies was Rudy. That's the best, huh? That was fun, yeah. Dude, I still sometimes... see that guy clapping by the stands. So funny, bro. Yeah, that's so funny. It's such a mean. Slow clap. Oh. Slow clap. Charles S. Dutton, that's the actor. Yeah, he was great. Yeah. Did he pass away? I don't know if he did or he didn't.

41:27Let's go back to the board here. Bring him up. He was cool. He was great in that part. Oh, he was so good. Great speech to Rudy. Yeah. Gratitude. Still alive. Hell yeah. Come on, Charles. Show them, Charles. And he was in the show. Yeah, they had a show called Rock, when I was a kid that he was on. Yeah, that guy was great, dude. Did you ever meet the real Rudy over there? I did. Yeah? Yeah. I didn't hang out with him much, but he was there. That's wild. I said hi to him a few times, yeah. Yeah, because I went over there to Mishawaka, Indiana. I used to go do comedy over there. Sometimes he had a comedy club.

42:00He owned a comedy club? No, no, they had one on the edge of town there, right outside of where Notre Dame was. Gotcha. And I would go - Have you been to a game there? I've never been to a game. It's cool. Yeah? Yeah, tradition, yeah. Yeah, oh, I would love to go. Well, the grass right there, when you walk onto the campus at Notre Dame, it's like beautiful. And then when you're off the grass, off campus, it's a little bit different grass. Yeah, totally. It's more like the grass has been drinking or whatever during, you know, during the day even. That day drinking. Yeah, but on campus, it's super nice.

42:28Yeah, they take care of it for sure. Oh, is that the campus right there? Yeah, that's a nice picture. Give me that one with the snow right there. That's nice. Yeah, that's one thing I do like about Nashville is that we do get some cold weather over there. That's kind of a vibe. Do you miss that about the Midwest, about having cold weather? I think whatever you get used to. I don't mind the cold. I'm always ready to be done with it come January. I like it for the holidays. But come February, I'm done with it. As a kid, I loved it. What would y 'all do? Just go play in the snow or get a snow day.

43:00You know, as an adult, you're scraping it off the driveway. You're scraping your car. It's more maintenance. And getting kids ready in the snow is a lot more time. Yeah, you got to lock them down. Lock them down. And then their face is just like a thing of snot and just redness. Like Christmas Story. Dude, the guy from Christmas Story, I met him with you. Yeah, he's one of my best friends, probably. Peter Billingsley? He is my best friend, Peter Billingsley, yeah. He's my closest friend. He's a great guy. Yeah, because I met you guys. So you guys started the Wild West Comedy Festival? What was that?

43:26Because that was the National Comedy Festival, right? Yeah, well, what was it? I'll tell you what it was. I had a lot of friends that were stand-ups, but there wasn't any opportunities for stand-ups. This is in the, like, 90s. We did Swingers. We wrote, in the script, there was the line that said, because Favreau's character was a stand-up, an ex-stand-up in that movie. So he wrote the line saying, in the 80s it felt like they were handing out pilots to stand-ups at the airport. And then it was a time where there really wasn't a lot for stand-ups. So I just started trying to help friends of mine out that were stand-up comedians.

44:00I did that Wild West comedy show where I went around and did 30 Days and put Sebastian was on that. But would you always just do it everywhere? I just would go hit 30 cities in 30 days because it seemed fun to me. So we perform every night. We did 30 nights in a row. But I was really trying to help some of my friends like Ahmed that I knew, guys that were stand-up comics. Oh, yeah. John Caparulo. I saw him last night at the comedy store. So there was a bunch of stand-ups because there wasn't as much opportunities. It's crazy because now stand-ups have a lot more opportunities. Brad Ernst is on there.

44:28Wow. I like Brad. Yeah. But anyway, so they started going. But then what happened is the stand-ups now have a lot more opportunity. But at the time, it wasn't as viable. Like I think in the last 15 years, stand-up really had this renaissance where so much came out of it. And I look at the stand-up stuff a little bit like what happened with improv. Like I did improv when I was a kid in Chicago when I was in high school because there was an improv Olympic that was an offshoot of Second City. But it wasn't – it was just a place to go train and it was fun. It wasn't that big of a deal. I enjoyed it and I learned stuff there.

45:04But I didn't stay the whole time. I came out to California after high school. but as I got older there started to be these different improv groups and then it became like a religion this improv group thought that that improv group wasn't good yeah this improv group is good at sketch this is good at characters they don't and I thought this is fucking improv yeah like who the fuck is talking about improv yeah it's like when mimes start beefing or whatever you know what I mean it's like it's just comedy like what is that I mean what are you talking It's so fucking crazy to me. And so then stand-up kind of went through the same thing where it started to form into like this stand-up group or this group or a comic is this.

45:43And I thought, Jesus, it's the same shit where it starts to get too self-important. And I think ultimately comedy is a big tent. You can go real cerebral or you can be physical. It doesn't matter. It's just there's nothing that prestigious or like a stamp of approval about it. Yeah, I agree. it's gotten to that place recently there's been like kind of like infighting i don't know if it's like rappers it's like rappers yeah right it's so silly but everybody's afraid to kill each other it's weird right it's just so stupid so i'm just saying we either either we need a tupac and biggie we need somebody gotta go real bad yeah to get good yeah yeah or it's just gotta stop or it's it's silly but it is silly silly bro a lot of it got political too i think politics came into stuff i think that's has happened a lot over the past few years um with people like attaching themselves like heavily attaching themselves to politics.

46:35Which is part of the job because you're going to talk about current events. Right. But to attach yourself and say – But you don't want to become part of a group and feel like now you're a champion for one ideology. You want to make fun of everybody. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. It's happened more over the past few years. But it's always been that – well, it was – for a long time it was like, you know, Hollywood is pretty much overly kind of a liberal place. Yeah. And so you would have. But not really. Yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah. It's more like we're smart and got it figured out. And if you don't agree.

47:13Then you're. Then you're an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. So that's true. It's more elitist. Yeah. Not liberal in the way that we think where it's like, hey, it's all groovy. Right. Yeah. It's not liberal like a hippie with a joint. No. No. Maybe it was. That's pursuit of happiness. That's cool. Whatever makes you happy. Right. Right. That's cool. Maybe it was at one point though, I think. I don't know. But it's definitely got more of an elitist take, like this is our way or the highway. I think it's changing now. Well, do you think it's dissolving now or do you think it's just spacing out more now? That's an interesting conversation too because I hear this from the different groups too.

47:49I do think that there's less control in some ways. But I also think that they put themselves in a corner with trying to please everybody. You know, you're going to catch pneumonia. you're trying to please everybody. That's like that old Vonnegut quote. So yes, I think there was more of a stranglehold with ideas. But there's always been people who feel differently within that. It's like any group, I guess. But yeah, I think what we're saying is similar, that it was never really a place where within individuals and friends, and we could always disagree and always joke with each other. People my age, I disagree, agree, and you could change, we'd change our minds, we'd laugh, we'd joke.

48:30But there was definitely a culture that if you didn't agree with these ideas, you were looked at as bad. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I think Hollywood really got more political. I don't know if it got more political. No, they got rewarded for it. Yeah, they started to come out there and do it, and I don't even know how much everyone even is informed on everything. Yeah. But they really like to get out there and do it. oh yeah but it's also wild how those people will speak on one thing but there'll be another topic that's way bigger and they're hypocrites too a lot of times like anybody is oh for sure dude i'm a i totally i think you'll be like i feel strong about this but it's a strange thing when you start going like you know better than someone yeah that's that's when it gets weird it's one thing to say this is where i'm at yeah and then here's someone else's point of view and disagree or agree it's another thing to be like i'm so right yeah and i gotta and i'm gonna help you or condescend to That's the part that no one, I mean, who wants, no one wants to hang out with that.

49:24Yeah. So it got to that. My agent is right. And so this, I'm going to have to tell you what they think. You know, that's also another, like, you know, that happens where people are like, well, I feel like they have to think how their agents are managers. You know what I'm saying? Well, they feel pressured to think a certain way. That's terrible. And that happens. But that's the problem. If you're going through life, trying to check boxes, like the, like Dorothy and the wizard of Oz, like, let me get the broom. Let me do this. What is the wizard? You're not thinking for yourself. You're just trying to do the things you're supposed to.

49:50but it's always better if you get quiet and do what's in your heart and do what you think is right that's when you carve out stuff and make your own path and probably the best stuff and get the best stuff out of you even creatively a hundred percent and have the courage i think to be honest try to be and you know go out that's the problem i think that happened with film comedies and that's why i think stand-up got stronger is they you know stand-ups would kind of it was easier to give someone money for a special and say, we're going to knock, that's their special. But the studios weren't going to produce a comedy and have more of, be more responsible for supporting the making of that film.

50:29Oh, I see. So you're saying with a stand-up special, they can just put this as their thing? That's their thing. We're out of it. We're just hiring a special. But the truth is most people, they want to laugh. They don't want to see stuff be precious that you can't talk or joke about. Most people can make fun of themselves. In the real world, if you don't have a sense of humor about yourself, then it's a lonely experience. You've got to be able to laugh at yourself. You can look back at stuff that you believed so strongly a few years ago and laugh about it. So I think you've got to have that quality.

51:03And comedy is that, being able to laugh at stuff. and I think that it was easier then to go okay well we're gonna just have a stand-up and that's their point of view than it was to they got too complicated not to offend anybody with going and making a movie they were trying so hard not to offend anybody what I think is why does that make sense for sure it does I think it's one of the reasons why like I've seen a lot of um why a lot of the late shows have struggled because all they did during like all they did the only person they can make fun of at a certain point was just like white redneck kind of people and it fucking tanked and then everything tanked after that think about that this is but see they never get it right the podcasts have gotten so much more popular with less production less writers less staff oh yeah reason why two people working here and both of them are hung over that one guy has shingles but the place is clean i like that you keep a clean play thank you yeah we did a vacuum.

51:57But yeah, because people want authenticity. And I think that the talk shows, to a large part, became really agenda-based. They were going to evangelical people to what they thought. You know what I mean? And so people just rejected it because it didn't feel authentic. It felt like they had an agenda. It stopped being funny and it started feeling like I was in fucking a class I didn't want to take. Do you know what I mean? Oh, for sure, dude. I'm getting scolded. 100%. Yeah. 100%. And so I think the phenomenon isn't what they say. They always blame technology. But the reality is it's the approach.

52:34You know, someone could go watch a stand-up at Madison Square Garden and they want to go because it feels dangerous. The crowd is alive. I don't know what Theo is going to do or say. And I love taking that experience. So it's fun. I don't want to stay home and watch it on TV because I want to experience that live. Right. So it's where you're coming from. That's the main point. And I think people are going to tune into a podcast more so because they want to feel like people are having a real conversation. It's interesting to them. But if you look at what happened to the talk shows and why their ratings are low, it's got only to do with the fact of what you just said, which is they all became the same show.

53:12Yeah. And they all became so about their politics and who's good and who's bad. And it's like, imagine sitting next to someone like that on a fucking plane. Oh. Bro, you'd be like, how do I get out of this fucking seat? I would fart right next to him. Holy cow. You'd fart your way out of it. Yeah, I would. Oh, I would for sure. And I'm sorry. Fucking skunk. You know the skunk's the king of the jungle. No one's playing with the skunk. You can watch all the fucking videos you want. No one's playing with the skunk. Skunk in the food chain in the woods, fucking skunk is here. You get yourself a pit bull.

53:44I don't give a fuck what you got. The honey badger. The fucking skunk is the king of the jungle. Don't bring that badass around. Yeah, bro. Am I right? The devil's cologne, baby. That's it. Everyone can talk about the devil's cologne, daddy. Look at that little mix, fella. You can talk about whatever the fuck you want as far as an animal and velocity. Right there. All hail the king. Oh, look at that. That motherfucker's going where he wants. Now, he might need a nap. He might be like a lover that needs to recharge. You know what I mean? He might be like an older lover. He might not be able to go 10 times in a day.

54:15But that one or two times, he's going to get it right, Theo. But what's he having for lunch? Whatever the fuck he wants, whatever's around. He can hit a spray and get everyone else to scurry. It don't bother him. God, well. That skunk puts its tail up. You got a real decision to make. What a fuck. How much of a badass are you? Yeah. Right? So if you brought that skunk mentality to the plane, you fucking run that shit. Well, I'm just saying every now and then if somebody won't fucking shut up, dude. You got to put some ass on them. Well, you just got to be a, you know what I'm saying? You got to be the king of the jungle.

54:44That's all I'm saying, bro. That's all I'm saying for sure. Yeah. But did you ever feel, you never felt ostracized by Hollywood at all or no? I always, I got along with people for the most, and always was, you know. Always had a great career. Trying to be honest who I am. But yeah, there's times you felt like it would have been easier. It's almost like a career move. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? But I was always the other way too. Like I'm not jumping on 100 % this or this because I have opinions on both sides. There's shit I don't agree with at all. Yeah. And then there's shit I don't agree with at all.

55:14I don't see how people could choose a side completely. It's so crazy. Because also once you're on a side, you're on a side. Fuck that. I want to be able to have the freedom to go. Yeah. Yeah. And also some, I'm agree with this over here. I agree with this over there. It is what it is. But I just, we never cared about it so much. It wasn't our defining conversations about how I like somebody or life. We weren't 23 sitting around talking about fucking taxes. Yeah. But I think as it started to encroach on us, for me, I started to go a little bit back here because nobody wants to be told what to do.

55:49Or feel like everything you do has to be through a certain lens. Or worrying about if people think you're kind or not. Like, you're not going to tell me. Especially when everybody's pretending a lot of times. Because I would have friends acting one way, but then like kind of speaking another way sometimes. Well, those are the people that are so focused on how they're coming off. Yeah. You know, they're worried about, and that's not a real journey. And you're hurting in that. I think we all go through those stages younger. Like everyone learns that lesson. Well, we all want to be accepted. Yeah, but you learn younger the right way to do it.

56:19Hopefully we never get it perfect and you learn the wrong way. But if you're constantly worried what someone else thinks of you and you're only around them a couple hours a day, you're miserable most of the time. You got to really try to be, you know, find the way to be yourself but be respectful. You know, that's the other side that I think happened is when I was a kid, if I was loud in a restaurant, my parents would say, these people didn't come here to hear you fucking scream. Well, dude, you stared at the Amish wrong and you got berated. I got dog talked. Yeah. But now if you're mad in a restaurant, they'll say, are you okay?

56:48And I just think it's important to be aware of how you're affecting other people. Yeah. But if you're all about you and you're right and they're bad and you're good, then you're okay to go after somebody because you're not really thinking about what their shoes are, you know? Yeah, we've started to like make it seem like the delusional isn't delusional sometimes. Say that again. Like, yeah, something's delusional. But if we act like it isn't over and over and we'll be like pretend. Yes. It's almost like you said, like the boiling water gets a degree higher one degree at a time, you know? Yeah, saying that as they change the laws a little bit at a time, you kind of wake up and you go, this has gone way further than, but it happens so slowly that you're like, if they would have done this at once, I would have gotten out.

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1:00:52It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of energy. It's a lot of energy. It's also just, you know, you're not getting, things aren't getting handled well. Yeah. And there's no accountability. It's like a bad relationship. Yeah. You know, it's like someone doesn't do what they said they're going to do, and there's no I'm sorry or want to change. Yeah, I agree, dude. It definitely gets – But you love – I still love California. Yeah. You? Oh, I just realized this is my second time back in like about three months. But I was here like about two weeks ago, and I do miss it more. I just miss some of the energy.

1:01:25Like I live in Nashville now, and there's just less energy there. You know, it's just different. Right. You know, like here you can meet more people. There's more like things going on. But you're in a great spot where you can do both. You can enjoy your time here and you can enjoy your time there. So it's been good, man. What did I see? Oh, Chicago. You said, are you a Bears fan or no? I am, yeah. Yeah, dude. Fucking Williams, bro. He's really great for like four and a half minutes a game. That ice, yeah. I mean, if you look at that NFC, we barely beat the Packers and the Rams barely beat us. That's close.

1:02:00And then obviously, right, then they lost. Those games were all so close, but it was exciting because we've been so bad for so long. It was good to be good. We were channeling through the TV. We were like screaming like, somebody make this happen. Who do you cheer for? I'm a Saints fan, so we've had a tough... Do you know some of those guys? I like the Saints organization. I like Mickey, the GM. I never met Mickey. He's a great guy. Is he? Yeah, yeah. He's good friends with Hayden. Oh, he is? Yeah. I wonder if I have met him then. No, I haven't met him. They had a good year. They turned around this year.

1:02:29They did good. Yeah, they did better. Everybody's excited about him. Yeah. Who just had a baby. Bring up a picture of his baby since I'm a fan of their – Cam Jordan's a great guy that plays over there in that organization. Yeah, he just came out and said nice things about your quarterback. He did? Mm-hmm. He's – Cam Jordan's nasty. He's fast. Yeah. He's a great – he's a pass rusher all by himself. I would not want him chasing me. I wouldn't even go knock on his door and run off or whatever. You wouldn't want him coming and saying, I moved to the neighborhood and I got to register. Yeah, dude. You ain't going nowhere, bro.

1:03:00You ain't getting away. Oh, I'd be like just – No basement, no basement. Touch me now and get it over with. No basement, nothing's keeping you safe, dude. No cellar doors are going to keep you safe. Do you wish, when you look on that, there he is right there, I know he's had a baby. Congratulations, QB1. When you look back at that Bears game, do you think that you wish they would have gone two in that moment, like just that momentum was there? It was amazing to hit that crazy pass. That was insane. And then we had that last drive, all we needed was a field goal. But we got, you know, it was the same kind of thing, a lot we lived and died by the sword all season yeah so i thought it was a fun year would have loved to have won the game but there's a lot of pieces to be excited about yeah just that confusion at the end like how does they not know which way the guy like as a fan i'm sure it's way more complicated as a player but as a fan you're like how do you guys not know what the this is the most crucial moment i know i don't know what happened there i've heard different stuff i don't think anybody i don't think anybody and then it's almost like was everybody just so cold they wanted to go home there's a little bit of that energy because i think that happens a lot where you're just like I'm so cold, I just want to go home.

1:04:01Yeah, you'd think it would be a vantage for them. They'd be more used to it, but you never know. Because some of those guys could be from Louisiana playing on the team. It's not like all of them grew up in the cold. They're all from everywhere. I wish that teams had all the players from their state. I think it would give us so much more of like our state versus your state. It used to be more that way with college, but that's in a crazy place now. Yeah, the college game. It's gotten baffled. I think it's good people are getting paid. I just don't think they've figured it out yet. Yeah, I think we're in kind of the Wild West years of it.

1:04:27Yeah. Do you, the Bears might be moving their stadium. Did you see that? I saw that. What do you think about that? Well, I'd like to see them stay, but I think they got to figure something out with the state. I haven't followed it too closely. What do you know about it? It seems like, and Zach's a, one of our producers is a Bears. He's a Bengals fan, but he's in the know. It seems like it's because time is ticking for Illinois lawmakers to make a better offer for the Bears. on Thursday, Indiana pushed legislation forward that clears the way for the Bears to build a new stadium in Hammond. Is it just because they're willing to give them more money?

1:05:06I haven't. I think it's something to do with economics, obviously. I don't know what... I think there's a big tax incentives to go over to Hammond, Indiana. Hammond, Indiana isn't exactly like the coolest place, so I think there's some people upset. It's close, though. It's right over the... Yeah, and Chicago has such a vibe in that city. I think people seem to be like, why leave? And also, if you move something to a new place, then there's going to be so much surrounding, you know what I'm saying? They can put in all types of other things to go on. I mean, I like to see it. It's the second oldest franchise in the NFL.

1:05:37The oldest is the Cardinals, which is from Illinois originally, before they went to St. Louis. Oh, St. Louis Cardinals? Well, it was originally the Illinois. It was Chicago. It was from Illinois. That's the oldest team in the NFL, the Cardinals. So they were from Illinois. And then they went to St. Louis, and then they ended up in Arizona. They're like a senior citizen as you get older. You start to move warmer and warmer, right? They follow the moving habits of like someone who's retired. Oh, yeah. But the Bears are such a crazy – George Halas, it's so crazy that it's only the NFC trophies named after him because he was really the – he was the first one to get a college player to play for the NFL, the Galloping Ghost.

1:06:19Did you know that? Mm-mm. Well, originally pro football was just farmers and there was no well-known names because there was no money in it. And college football was real popular, but going to college was even harder back then. So when you'd come out of college, if you had a degree, you had a real opportunity to earn money. Oh, so you would go work. Like, I'm not going to go screw – I can't go screw around and be irresponsible. With a bunch of these rednecks and I'm going to go play football and no one's watching. So Hallis, he played for the Yankees. He was a baseball player. He went to Red Grange from the University of Illinois, and he said, I'll give you half the gate.

1:06:53If you come on a barnstorming tour, we'll go play places. And then people showed up. They'd go watch Red Grange, who was a big-time college player. And so when they got Red Grange to play with the Bears, they knew if they could get the college guys to come in, the fans would grow. And then the college guys were more open to it because you could pay them because you'd get the fans to fill up the stadiums. Wow. And then when they first did it, whatever college you were from, you would play for that local team because the college would already be a fan of you. The people in the area would be a fan.

1:07:23Right. So let's sell tickets that way. So then they started the draft after that. But George Hallis did everything. He was a player. He was a coach. He was an owner. He beat Lombardi as a coach in his heyday one year. He coached the team and did well. But he started so much that's in the NFL today, Papa Bear. He's really probably the most important figure in the NFL. George Hallis? George Halas. It would be a shame. And he's from Chicago. So it would be a shame to see that team leave that city with that history for sure. But I hope they – I haven't really looked into it, but I hope they're able to figure it out and come to terms that work for everybody.

1:08:00But he's an amazing figure in sports. And they named the NFC trophy after him, the Halas Trophy. Bring up that Red Grange picture. Thank you, George Halas, for your efforts. Look at Red Grange. The galloping goes. Well, that's the other quarterback you could make the argument for is Otto Graham. He was from Waukegan, Illinois. When you look at him, it's crazy. I think he won. I could be wrong. But did he win seven championships in 10 years as a quarterback? I think he played for the Browns, right? Otto Graham. But here's what's interesting about him. He went to Northwestern. He had a 300 batting average in college.

1:08:37And that's when everyone played baseball because baseball was the only way to make real money. It was King. and he played basketball in college and I think he won what would be an NBA championship. He was like the sixth man on a pro team. So he won a championship in professional basketball, hit 300 in college. And I think as a quarterback, did he win seven championships in 10 years, right? Yeah. Is that right? Is that crazy? Think about that. And, and, and, you know, everyone wants to say the goat, the goat, but you can't really compare era to era. You know, Jordan said, it's hard to say who the greatest of all time was because it was different rules, a different time.

1:09:10And one person learns from the next person. So Otto Graham dominated his era. Obviously, Brady dominated his era, you know, and this guy. So it's so hard to compare era to era who was the best. I think sports always want to sell you now that you're watching the best ever because it sells tickets. Who doesn't want to feel like they're watching the best product ever? But it's a totally different game than it was back when you could hit a quarterback, when LT played. So I'm not saying that it's not better that they've changed it. I'm just saying it's hard to compare one quarterback from an era to another.

1:09:40Well, they never had turf toe when we were growing up. Right. Remember, when did they come out with that? No. You know what I'm saying, though? Like, you would never hear a guy has turf toe. You would hear a guy's toe was in pain, so he carved it off with his wife's nail clippers on the way to the stadium so he could still play. That was Ronnie Lott, right? He took his finger off. Yeah. He ripped his finger off so he could play. It's a different era, yeah. Yeah, let me see that shit. That's the thing I always marvel at. That's crazy, though, dude. Ronnie Lott ripped his finger off. He was like, I'm going back in.

1:10:06That's a dedication. That's not a hobby. But you know, that's what I always think is crazy. When you hear about boxers, what's the longest boxing fight of all time? It used to be like 27 rounds. I think someone fought 100 rounds. Am I crazy? Could you jump rope for 100 rounds for three minutes? No way. What's the longest fight? I mean, it's probably the one in Gaza right now, but I'm assuming that. That's true. That's true. That's true. Andy Bowen and Jack Burke, the longest boxing match in history was 110 round bout. Bro. because they used to fight until someone couldn't answer it. But at the end, were you just whispering heavily at each other?

1:10:40Like, how? I think you're in the bathroom a lot. I don't even think anyone saw it. But so that's the thing that's crazy. And they would fight like, look how many fights these guys had. These guys would fight like 10 times a year. Now they're fighting twice a year. How many fights did Sugar Ray Robinson have? Did he have like 300 or something? Isn't that crazy? Yeah, and now a guy will have maybe 30. 30, because they space it out. But how do you compare these guys? how many fights, what was his record? I can't see. At the end, he was 174 in 19 and six. So just about 200. What? Isn't that crazy?

1:11:14Oh my gosh. Sugar must have been stevia by the end of that, dude. He had the aspartame beat out of my back. You don't think he ever had, he probably had a turf toe. He didn't have a name for it. He probably had a turf head at a certain point, dude. That's so crazy. But the difference was. But that's unbelievable. Why do you think someone could be like that? Well, this is the stuff that they're not, but this is it. I remember when my dad grew up and he'd go to the farm where his dad was because his parents were divorced. So in the summer, he'd go work the farm. But they didn't have any running water.

1:11:42So he said when they would bath, they'd go down to the fucking creek and fill up the thing with water. They'd boil it. And then dad would bathe, then his older brother, then him. But that wasn't that long ago. So if you go back then, everything took physical strength. Like just moving around. No one was sitting around playing Mario Kart in between games. Right, your thumbs were the strongest parts of your body. So you were always like just doing anything took so much energy and strength. You're using your muscles every day. So I think they train smarter, they know more, but there's more downtime and less strain on your body doing daily tasks.

1:12:16But back then, these guys were just getting from place A to place B was exhausting. But I don't know how you could fight 110 rounds. I don't know if you could do jumping jacks for 110 rounds. It's so crazy. How did they do that? Remember, they used to have 15 round fights and then they went to 12 because they thought 15 was too much. So I don't know how to compare. How do you compare someone from that era to this era? It's just a different time. It's impossible. It's a different sport. And also they say like the diet has gotten better. And we have – like if all these things have gotten better, you think that they would be able to do it more.

1:12:49But then part of it probably has been that the commercialization of it has come in and like, well, let's only have it be here so we can have the viewership and have the sell the tickets then. So that could be part of it. Or understanding safety back then. Like you said, they wouldn't even know what turf toe was. It was just you moved on. Oh, every other person had a glass eye. When I was a kid, every other person had a glass eye. Like if some guy was going to, I remember at the fair or whatever, when the fair would come, you'd have a guy that would sit there and have a hat full of people's glass eyes.

1:13:14You'd set it and therefore you went on the ride. They put their eyes out because they didn't want to lose one of the tilt-a-war? Yeah, people that had one, they'd be like - They leave their eye in the bag? They leave it in a little basket or whatever, like basket for eyes and loose change or whatever. That's an exciting hometown. I never saw that. Get it when you come back out. but you have four of them in there at a time. You know what I'm saying? It'd be tough on a date. There'd be some rides you couldn't go on. Maybe we're not going on the tilt-a-wall. Honey, let's go on the, what's that one that goes up real slow?

1:13:39Ferris wheel. The Ferris wheel? Isn't that the slow one where you kind of sit at the top? Oh, yeah, that's the Ferris wheel. You're not going on that salt and pepper ride where you're fucking going up and down. We used to do that with friends. We'd dare them. We'd go have hot dogs or hamburgers and then at the end, you'd dare someone, can anyone eat all this for 20 bucks? and someone would be desperate for money. So they'd be like, fuck, we don't kick in. They'd be like, I'm gonna have a shake. I'll eat those chili fries. I'll finish that chicken breast sandwich. And then you'd say, okay, another 20 bucks if you go on that salt and pepper, and they'd fucking lose their shit.

1:14:11But yeah, I mean, it's a different, it's so weird. I also think the food might've been healthier. Oh, I'm sure. Because remember they went through that whole stuff with the oil, seed oil, and we know it's bad for you. But they went through a whole thing saying you should cook with that. But then people were just cooking with butter. Yeah. I think the food was more natural. Butter? It was less fucked up food in some ways. Dude, strong saliva, dip spit. People would cook in it. You know what I'm saying, dude? Did you start dipping young? Yeah, because I used to work on a farm, so we would chew the block of tobacco.

1:14:41Like Redman? Yeah, like the - Or do like Skull, Wintergreen, like the circular one. No, no. We just plugged tobacco. So we all, we had a thing. So we did like - Look up plug. When I first started as a kid, we didn't know it was that bad for you. Because we knew smoking was bad. but you would think this wouldn't hurt your... Then they started showing pictures in the school of people missing their jaws. But originally you thought it's not bad for your win. But it was all like the skull wintergreen, like the circle stuff. Oh, yeah. But the red man was the leaf. But the first time you do it, you're gonna vomit.

1:15:11Oh, yeah. I puked out of my friend's mom's car. Older kids are like, here, try this. Yeah. And they will watch you fucking vomit. Were you in a car and you vomit? Yeah. I sat out of each window. I was like, oh, maybe I'm sick just at this window. And I sat out of each window and puked out of each window. There's no way to keep it in more than two or three minutes. You're on the ground. It was the worst. It still makes me fucking sick. It was cherry skull or something. Do you remember the first alcohol you got really drunk on? Yeah, dude, of course. Where was it? Climbing up a shelf in my brother's closet.

1:15:38I found pornos. They had pornos up there. That was a surprise. You weren't expecting that. It was a lot of surprises. This one shelf I'd never been to. They had a little stack of towels. You were a ground barrier, and he was putting shit up high. He was a mountain hider. Oh, I'm like, oh, this is where things are up here. And I got up there and I remembered this kind of like, and I found liquor up there. Yeah. What was it? Alizé, it was called. It was like a pretty, more of an urban liqueur, I think. Bring it up, a bottle of it. It was considered an urban liqueur right there. The orange was so good.

1:16:15Have you ever had it since? I've never had it since. See, that's how it is. My first drunk was peppermint snobs and I never touched it again. I think the first time you get really drunk, you never revisit that. Yeah. Ever. Ever. But the first time - How did you do it? Were you playing quarters? Were you just drinking by your - Were you with friends? No. Were you by yourself? I was by myself. Oh, boy. Climbed up there. I remember drinking and then watching porno or whatever. And then I'm - You started off as a fun afternoon. Horrible. But here, 30 years later, it's still been an issue, you know?

1:16:49Did you just go through like what? Like a quarter of a bottle or - A couple glasses? I think I had four sips, jerked off, and then blacked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You woke up with the evidence all around. You didn't even clean up the crime scene. Woke up, yeah, with my glass eye and a hat. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't do nothing on it. Friends were over here. I'm pissed that they left the house. Yeah, mom, can you believe some kid came over here, jerked off on my stomach, and drank some of this and left? Yeah. Times have changed. With your new movie, if you could go Mike, Nick, Nick, and Alice. Yeah. If you could go, because your character kind of goes back in time to make something different.

1:17:22right is there a time if you could go back in time that you would go back to kind of like i know it's a general question it's kind of whatever but you know it fits with the film man yeah and it makes you think what would you go back to change because i think it used to be people would be like i go back and stop hitler i do go back and you know i go back and help napoleon or do whatever you think you would or i'd go back and like being you know jumanji one or whatever right but then now it's like people i think would do individual things like i'd go back and you know buy a a bitcoin or something, you know?

1:17:49It's more realistic. Right. It's a crazy thing to think you're going to go and be the one guy to fucking go to the king and tell him to shut the fuck up and no one else is. You know what I mean? Like people always like that. It makes me laugh, right? I go do the, oh, would you have? Yeah. Maybe. Dude, I'll go back and tell him. Yeah, obviously no one's walking up to the guy and saying, hey, Hitler, calm down, you know? I'll be the guy. That's hilarious. Have you thought about in your life what you would do? Yeah, I think I would go back maybe to a certain time probably. And I think I could have been better like in this one relationship I was in probably.

1:18:26That's a great thing that you feel that. But I would say to you, I have had those thoughts. But then I realize you have to travel down every road you travel down. And you don't get to learn those lessons without making those mistakes. And so you're kind of in a good spot now. You're very reflective. You think about stuff. And so maybe if you hadn't gone through those things, not that you want to get hurt or hurt anyone, but sometimes you've got to go through those lessons. And so like what we were talking about earlier where I said you can ask for those things now, you've got to take that knowledge and bring that to your new thing.

1:19:03And maybe you think if you went back, but normally the person you were dating was sometimes had their own lessons to learn. And that's why you found each other. And you can romanticize like what if we were each different people, but you weren't. And hopefully you're both better people from the experience. So I think you can not go back to that, but you can take the lessons and have something great now. and I don't know that you would have been in that relationship with that exact person if you were a different person at that time there was probably something with her going on too that that drew you guys together to teach each other that whatever that experience was makes sense yeah yeah no it does make sense man yeah I think there's just like a probably an it's almost like an ego part of it once I think about it now from that it's like yeah you just wish you go back and love somebody different I love that you know but you can love that person different now and it's okay Theo because you weren't, how would you have known that?

1:19:58Yeah. Unless you're going through it. It's like kids, you know, sometimes you take something away from a kid and then you see him cry. You know, if you're just playing with toys, you go, oh, that doesn't feel good. But I don't know that you can learn that without seeing the response of somebody else. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I think, but that's the thing with nostalgia is you can get excited, I think, about doing those things the right way now. So you're nostalgic because you look back at those. You don't want to hurt anybody. You wish you could have played it out differently, but it played out the way it was supposed to for where you and that person was at.

1:20:31And also it's our ego. We're not that powerful. Like sometimes – I don't know if you've ever suffered from this, but I could really get caught up in trying to help friends. And then I realized I used so much time and energy and I'm really not that powerful. Like I can't want them to change in the same way that I probably had people try to help me and I wasn't ready to change. So you really can't get someone to a place that you think is right for them. You can say it once. You can encourage them. You can give them grace and be there for them. But ultimately, you can't really make that kind of a big shift with them.

1:21:06Yeah. Have you found that? Oh, yeah, for sure. You think you can. Or there's times where it's like, yeah, I didn't try this enough or something like that. But yeah, I couldn't. Because I think we're hurting. and so when we find better ways of doing things we want everyone to have that oh yeah and i don't know if you felt this way but i but i don't know yeah i had to go through a lot of it on my own you know like i had to learn those lessons and figure it out when like the cavalry showed up and saved me not that i didn't have good people in my life no but everyone does they have to go through those stages too yeah yeah you have to see something that like surprises you enough or you have to sometimes you have to hit a level for you that's like, this has to be different, you know?

1:21:48Right. But yeah, you can't like, you can offer suggestions. You can kind of show somebody you can lead by example sometimes. And I think you can reflect on times when you handle stuff in ways that you feel good about. Yeah. I don't do enough of that sometimes. But I bet you have a lot of it. I probably have some good ones. Yeah. Yeah. Some really good. And as you get older, don't you think more and more? Yeah. And so that's, that's what's in front of you. And so that's why I would say the nostalgias. I like that. for myself too, but I realize at some point I have to take those things and really try to do it with what's in front of me now.

1:22:19And I think you can have that exact relationship instead of saying, wasting time on saying, well, I'm older now. I should have started this younger. You can say, I know these things now and I'm going to start it now. And I'm going to get a great experience based on the things I know. Because the other just takes you in a place where you're kind of and not allowing it. Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, I think it's making sure that you're learning from the past, you know? Yeah, and then you feel excited for what's in front of you. And you can't really go back and – that's the thing with stuff. It's like you've got to look at it and learn from it.

1:22:53You can't – but then at some point you've got to move forward. Yeah. You know, it's like anything. It's like a set. What did I do right? What did I do wrong? What should I have done? But at some point you're good to move on and go to the next set Because if you just dwell on that set, you can get stuck in it to the point where it's counterproductive. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have a process for that of dealing with? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Do you have a good process now that you feel good about? I think it's gotten better. Yeah. I think even having conversations like this are probably helpful to be honest about it.

1:23:23You know? Same for me too. Having things that are like reminders and be like, yeah. And that's, that it's, yeah. And I think you can take the things that you've done well at that in your professional life and apply those same principles to our personal life or try to.

1:23:41But I don't know that I would go back to answer your question because – But your character has to go back. If you would have asked me 10 years ago, I would have said, oh, for sure. Because I'm not saying there's not things I didn't handle really bad or things I regret. Of course there is. But I think I couldn't change those because I don't know that I would have come out as different or stronger or at least more thoughtful if I hadn't gone through those experiences. You've got to walk down every road, I think. So I like the idea that I could go back, but maybe you'd fuck up some other shit. Yeah, dude.

1:24:12Yeah, that's a good point. I just maybe would push the lesson until later. I still make some of the same mistakes. It's not like you get better at it. I find that the time in between the mistakes is long, but they never go away all the way. And your reaction to them and giving yourself a little bit more grace, but yeah, and making sure you don't go down. And making sure sometimes that you don't maybe hurt other people as much. You're very thoughtful. I bet you don't do that very often. You're more respectful of their feelings anyway. Not like actually hurt somebody. But I know what you mean. Hurt doesn't mean physical necessarily.

1:24:45It means that you made someone feel unloved or unwanted or underappreciated. Like a bruised banana or whatever. Yeah. But there's also a thing with being funny and connecting. It's a weird thing because I really enjoy teasing with friends sometimes. and if someone showed any weakness, we'd kill you until it didn't bother you. Anything that bothered you, that was going to be the topic of jokes until you got over it. It wasn't our job to make you okay. That's a good point. You had to fuck it, and I think some of that was good. Oh, dude, it was the best, bro. We would fucking, everybody would pick on you, but everybody got it.

1:25:18You would all deal with it, and now everything is, now it's more like bullying. Dude, I saw two Waymos bullying a fucking Kia Sorento on the way here, and I was like, nobody's helping this guy or whatever, this female. I don't know what a kid is. But with comedy, we were just brutal. Oh, so much fun. And if we knew it bothered you, it would never stop. So it was a weird concept to me where I thought, you're not making fun of each other. Yeah, we were just communicating. Even animals call each other names, I bet, a lot. Yeah. You know, we just won't know it. Yeah, they're at least signaling that they're not into what they're doing.

1:25:52Yeah. But your character has to go back in time. I do want to make sure that I talk about your movie a little bit more and then we'll get you out of here. And thanks so much for your time today, man. Oh, it's great to hang with you. I enjoy listening to you and appreciate you. So it's fun to get a chance to sit and talk with you. Well, same, man. Thanks for all the entertainment and inspiration and like, yeah, just so much good humor over the years. Thank you. Back at you. Yeah, because your character goes back in time. Not really to help himself, though, kind of. That's right. Well, isn't it to help himself in a way like.

1:26:22Oh, that's a good point. He doesn't love the way that he's handled stuff. Right. And he realizes the pain he caused. You don't think that's what it's for in the beginning, kind of. That's fair. You kind of get, yeah, like you get that as it goes along a little bit. I don't want to give away too much of it because there's moments in it that were very, like, surprises to me. I was like, oh. There's some good twists. Yeah. But I think the concept's right. And I think all of us hopefully are that way. I don't know. I think people are happier when you're thinking about others more. And I don't say that in like a kind way, like I'm great.

1:26:55I mean just as a general feeling, you feel better when you are thoughtful of others and connecting with them than when it's all about you. We've been scientifically. But we never had friends like that. We wouldn't hang out with somebody that would talk about themselves all fucking day. Would you? Well, they didn't even have it as much back then. No. You wouldn't be at the fucking, you wouldn't be included. Nobody wants to hear about it. No one wants to hear how you're killing it all day. It's so weird. But you know what I find now? like parents do with their kids. It's everywhere. Me, me, me. It's so crazy.

1:27:26It's just in general, I think there's way more of a, it's odd because you're marrying the one hand that what we were talking about with this kind of a better than now. But on the other hand, it's really kind of about ourselves more. It's a weird cultural moment. Yeah. Well, it's like, we just see so much reflection of ourselves, you know, and we don't have a lot of time to integrate. That's one of the biggest things I noticed. It used to be like, you'd go see a movie or you would read a book or you would read some pages of a book or things like that. And then your brain and your heart and stuff would have time to integrate stuff.

1:27:58But now it's like, we'll get on our phone or there's a next thing. There's a next call. There's so much connection that you're not really processing. Are you good at downtime and processing? I'm getting better at it. That's great. Because I want it more. I start to realize, oh, there's so much peace in this thing. It's like, yeah, there's just, it's almost, there's nowhere to hide from the electronica. it feels like sometimes these days you know sure i could be guilty you get stuff a game or something that you like yeah but your phone a game a tv another screen there an advertisement whatever you know even just a little chinese guy that's just telling you something you know it's like it never is there's just like a lot of information coming at you um do you have a good group of pals and people that you connect with and hang out with a lot in nashville or here or is it more like everyone's in different locations and you kind of everywhere hook up yeah but i got to do a little bit better i think i need to branch out a little bit more i know good people so i think sometimes i like my alone time do you yeah but it can be isolating for me too sometimes i like to recharge i like that and then i do like to hang out yeah but i'm not someone who wants to hang out four days a week did you feel a responsibility because you did those you did that um is swingers when we all go to las vegas yeah yeah and did so do you ever feel like a responsibility to people that were going to Vegas, like some guy that got like GHB'd by a hooker or something.

1:29:14And it's like, I'm here because of Vin, you know what I'm saying? Did you ever feel any, like you ever lay in bed at night and be like, how many guys, like how many dudes are laying without a kidney in an ice bath right now? No, I always looked at like storytelling and comedy. Like, you know, there, there, there are stories like campfire stories, same with comedy. So, uh, they're not like how to books, but people take them that way. Yeah. But it's crazy. It's like, you know, I remember when I would watch fun movies, they were escapism. But we were never so fucking dumb that we were like, oh, they're telling me I got to go out and risky business.

1:29:51I got to go get some hookers and fucking get into Harvard. Do you know what I mean? They were having fun with what was going on at the culture. So in that movie, it was the mom and dad are like, you got to go to Harvard. You can't fucking have a party. And he's like, I'm a fucking horny teenager. I'm looking to fucking mix it up. Like I'm living right now. And so the idea of that was the thing that was a problem, saying what the fuck, and running hookers as a pimp for the suburban kids, that's actually the thing that got them into Harvard, right? It's a crazy movie, but we never were like, oh yeah, these guys are my parents and they're telling me I better go fucking start a brothel out of my fucking basement, going back to basement.

1:30:32It's like, no, it was escapism. It's fun. So like swingers is really about friends helping a friend get past a breakup. But who wants to watch perfect people? These are people that have some good, some bad. And that's the journey of the story where you go through people and you get to learn from what they did right or what they did wrong. If you go back to like even the Bible or Greek mythology, some of these morality tales, it's like someone does this and here's the consequences of it. They're not all stories like everyone's doing everything right. Most of these human stories are someone made a decision based on ego or what was important in the moment and they paid the price.

1:31:11Right. And those are important stories. Yeah. Well, there were, yeah, like moral tales, like Aesop's fables they had when I was a kid. Like they had different things like that. I wonder if they still had that stuff for kids because there was a lot of stuff that was like kind of common in culture. That was where you would learn things from. But, yeah, if you watch Forrest Gump and you go out and break both your legs so you can. Try to run across the country. Yeah, dude. Do you know what I mean? then I guess you're like Forrest I never took that serious it's like where are the parents at you know it's like same with albums when we were kids they started putting these warning labels on an album oh yeah parental advisory remember that it was like Tipper O 'Neill or something they were putting like these parental advisory is a black and white sticker but that would make us buy it it's like let me hear that fucking

1:31:56parental guidance but like as kids we weren't like when I was listening to NWA way, this wasn't like a fucking how-to manual. I was digging someone having a strong opinion, unapologetic from their experience. I was like, fuck, let me fucking listen to that. That's fun. We were never so fucking dumb. Do you know what I mean? That's part of the problem that they make it. I was like, everyone's so fucking stupid that if you see any kind of movie or story that it's somehow encouraging kids to do it. It's like, shut the fuck up. I'm going to listen to rock and roll and watch some people make some bad decisions and laugh.

1:32:34You know what I mean? Like, what did that become a thing where like, like if you do a set, you're funny, I hear your shit. You're not - It was lawsuits. That's what did it probably. People sued for a thing probably. But yeah, if you got so attached, you're like, oh, I believe this now, I'm gonna - Like when you do your sets and I enjoy them, sometimes you're going further with a point of view to get a point across. You're not hoping you're reaching some fucking eight-year-old kid to go follow. You know what I mean? You're like - Right. Yeah, that's all a bunch of shit. It's entertaining and fun.

1:33:00And I think there's a place for that. I think, if anything, that's what got in the way was that everyone started to put these things under a microscope. Like, I don't know. Like, when we were kids in school, if we go to the auditorium and they would give us, like, a safety film on fucking bicycles, we'd just make fun of that shit all day long. Oh, if I'm not telling kids to go out and, you know. But everyone's got to assume whatever risk you want to take. Like, everyone's different. You've got to decide, are you going to cross the highway? because you want to get to that candy store and try to dodge the cars.

1:33:32No one should do that. Yeah. But everyone ultimately is going to make their choices. Yeah. And there'll be people that do and people that don't, you know? Right. But yeah. But how do we... I saw a bike video and I was like, first of all, I'm never wearing a bike helmet because I understand it's safe. I know it is, but I don't want my children to see me in a bike helmet because my son and I would never be able to make eye contact the same way. We never wore... I mean, now all the kids have to. We didn't have it. We didn't know what the fuck that was. And in a way, I think it kept us, in some ways, but I felt like I was safer because I could try to jump that.

1:34:04But there ain't no fucking way I'm going to jump that. Do you know what I mean? Because the helmet. Like we knew I may get some fucking scabs and shit and hit my face if I put like, you know, a wooden board on two things. But I'm not doing five because I don't have a fucking helmet. You know what I mean? Like it was self-regulatory. You got me all fucking Michelin man and dressed up. I might try to go back like evil and try to jump the fucking snake river. But I'm just saying like entertainment and stories, you know, I think have fun with it and you should watch it. But I mean, really? What percentage of the population thinks that it's a how to book?

1:34:43Yeah. Who's going to like it? And by the way, do we cater everything to the fucking, excuse me, naive kid who's looking to jump on any story he sees? like that's the way to live his life? It's kind of what we do. That's kind of what we've done anyway. Right? And hopefully that's kind of correcting course. We can't watch Dirty Harry because you think you can just go fucking shoot a criminal without talking to him? Oh, it's escape. You're like, yeah, that motherfucker. You know what I mean? Like you like it as a story. Yeah. But that's what it was. Yeah. But I think everyone kind of got that more.

1:35:13Like I wasn't listening to - No, but - I wasn't listening to rock and hip hop and shit. Right. But I think it was lawyers that did it. They're like, oh, this is, this is what happened. We're the do-gooders. Maybe they meant well. Right. But don't you create a whole other series of problems? Because if you can't express those feelings through movies and songs, where do those feelings go? Yeah. Like if storytelling and stand-up or movies isn't the place to express podcast, if we can't express ideas there or feelings, what do you do with those? You can't have those feelings? It's crazy. Oh, I think one day a smile will be in a museum and you go to see it, you know?

1:35:50I really do. I hope not. I don't think so. I hope not, too. Ultimately, I know you don't believe that. I don't think I really – that's kind of a joke. You think there's a warning of it. Right. I think we're getting closer. But we're going to push against it. If you want to see feelings, you'll have to go to a museum. Oh, this was happiness. Look, children. I think these kids sometimes – I think there's a place for – I think it's good. I'm not saying it's all – the pendulum always goes too far in one direction. I think it's good to have skills to talk about stuff. But it's always a little bit like this.

1:36:17Like if you have a breakup with a girl that's bad and we're friends, I'm going to clear the decks. Our other friends are going to do it. And we want to hear everything you got to say about this breakup. And we're going to give you our perspective and we're going to really focus on it. And that may go on for a week. But after three weeks, you're not allowed to talk about it anymore. There's nothing else to say. We got to drop it and move on. You got to get in a new bad relationship. You know what I mean? Like we can't keep talking about that. And so I think what happens sometimes is we're indulging, talking, and exploring it.

1:36:50There's a time to do it. You need to do it. But at some point, if you're always bringing up the stuff, you just kind of stay depressed. There's a process to digesting it, and then there's a process of pushing it away and trying to get into something new. But if you're only focused on it, it just doesn't go away. Well, you're kind of getting addicted to self-pity too at that point in a way. Or you're just always living in that, and it's going to make you sad. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's something that's kind of like been like kind of a society, just a weird tour that we took in society of like, you know, that there's something always wrong with us, you know?

1:37:24Well, who isn't there something wrong with? Hopefully everybody has something wrong with. As you get older, you start to go, my God, everyone's a little nuts. Yeah. Like we're all holding it together. But if you see people by themselves, like there's no one you would be like, that guy's like at home living. You know what I mean? Like everyone's got shit that's crazy. Hopefully. Hopefully. Dude, the best thing is imagining that people are at home just fucking, you know, putting lips. Urban liqueur. Yeah. Urban liqueur and hopefully some French magazine. Club. El Club, I think it was called. Le Club.

1:37:59Your movie comes out on Hulu March 27th. And, oh, Jimmy Tatro's in it. His character's hilarious in it. Yeah, he's a great guy. He's good. Yeah, he's funny. He's a cool guy. and um asa marsden they're all good in it that's the lady in it yeah oh yeah she's real foxy yeah and then the other guy james marsden that plays mike he was cool yeah and he's good actor he's good actor yeah he did a lot of good facial stuff and like a lot of like yeah he's like good looking but he also is entertaining he reminds me of rob lowe a little bit that's interesting i could see that yeah handsome guy likable right but also like not just yeah yeah not just being handsome yeah um vince vaughn thanks so much i think great to sit with you nope yeah yeah i'm excited for the bears next season man we'll be cheering them cool is that your is that kind of an adopted team yeah i got you just because we grew up so much i grew up there watching like you know like the only baseball teams that existed were like clubs and braves cubs braves cardinals though like collecting like ozzy smith cards coleman yeah oh uh vince coleman vince coleman ozzy smith who were dominant Cardinals were always dominant.

1:39:07Dude, you ever hung out with Mark Grace before? I met him. Yeah. Yeah, he's a great guy. He's the best. He has the best stories. Yeah. He was a hell of a player. Oh, he was so good. But those were the times. Andre Dawson, all those guys. Rick Sutcliffe. Unbelievable. Greg Maddox. Love that team. That was like only three or four teams that existed, it felt like. Yeah, they were popular. They had personalities. But Cardinals have been good forever. They're always fine. Lately, not as much. But they've always been dominant. Cubs, as you know, was a long story. So it was a big deal when we finally won.

1:39:33Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when you thought of all the - Are you with the Titans at all? I wish they would draft Diego Pavia for the same reason that we said, that he played at Vanderbilt. He crushed it there. I think - How fun was that kid to watch? So much fun. Dude, I love that dude's spirit. I loved watching that boy play. A kid from my high school played wide receiver for him. Oh, really? Yeah. Younger than me, because he's playing now, obviously. What's his name? It's not like some 50-year-old had some eligibility on his fucking ears. Well, they'd probably give him another - Hoskins. His last name was Hoskins.

1:40:01Oh, Richie Hoskins? I knew his sister real well. Bro, Richie's a dog, bro. He was good, right? Dude, he caught a couple. He caught some passes that only he could catch, bro. Yeah, there he is. Yeah, they were dogs, dude. I knew his aunt would have been my grade and was a nice gal. But he played for him. So I watch. My high school puts on a lot of really good athletes, people, still to this day, Lake Forest High School, public high school in Illinois. And a lot of people do well. But this was an exciting year for Vandy. And that quarterback. Diego Pavia, yeah. Bro, he was like this. I'm going to go to his pro.

1:40:34He was like, oh, he's like that. Come and get it. Yeah, he was super fun to watch. And they come out. He's going pro now. Is he done? Yep, he's training right now down in Tampa. Where did he transfer from? He transferred from New Mexico State, and then before that, New Mexico School of Minds. I think he could have gotten one more year, actually, but. He's going to strike while the iron's out of camp. He's already in. Yeah, he's already in. He's already going in. He's not tall. Well, that's the thing. They came out and said that and was like, so you're telling me he did this great at not even the same height as some of these other guys?

1:41:05It's true. Sometimes that motivates you to get better. Well, Brady was that in a way, right? He didn't hit the prototype and made him work harder. I mean, being tall wasn't his thing, but they also made it like, but he obviously, sometimes the thing that they label you as a disadvantage makes you stronger because you have to work harder. But that dude's a winner, bro. That's the thing. Who do you want to bet? You want to bet on somebody that wins every time they say you can't. At an academic school in the SEC at Vanderbilt. I mean, you're playing big time football every week. When's the last time Vanderbilt was in that position?

1:41:37Never. And so the fact that this kid was a part of that with a lot of other great players and did that well, that's that intangible quality that has to mean something. And that's the shit that's getting lost in this evaluation. Yes. Always. In everything. It's so stupid. Yeah, it is. There's a place for it. Yeah. But not the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. but anyway I'm glad we all got that out of our systems me too dude appreciate you yeah I appreciate you too Vince thanks so much man and we'll check it out everybody it's on Hulu March 27th now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it In my bones But it's gonna take