#662 - Matt Rife

10 Jun 2026 · 1 h 55 min · 41 chapters

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In short

Matt Rife discusses his comedy/acting career, his personal philosophy (staying blissful and avoiding constant politics), and a long set of off-the-cuff stories ranging from dating/sexual anxiety to living arrangements and spooky interests. The conversation also touches on mental health meds (as a theme in a song they discuss), social media/technology’s effects, and his move to Rhode Island for peace and a strong comedy scene.

Guest backgrounds

Matt Rife is a stand-up comedian and actor. He’s described as “the Tim Burton of Rhode Island.” He has a Netflix show coming later this year called The Altruists. He’s been performing since his teens and has opened for comedians including Tommy Davidson, Pauly Shore, Jim Brewer, Bill Bellamy, and Ralphie May. He also collaborates with the Red Clay Strays (he gave them a Billboard Groundbreakers Award).

Key claims

No credible evidence exists that BLM protests were a conspiracy to sell Whoop bracelets; protests followed George Floyd’s killing and included both peaceful and violent incidents. Matt says he tries not to be political and that being uninformed can be happier. He believes in the idea of feelings/prayer traveling “between space and time,” and jokes that Bigfoot might be real.

Notable examples

A story about trying to “nibble” prescription “wiener pills” from a roommate (Wally) and carving them into smaller shapes; his early Cleveland/Youngstown theater opportunities involving Ralphie May; and discussion of Red Clay Strays’ song lyrics about antidepressants/coming off SSRIs.

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Comedic Perspectives on BLM

1:20 to 3:56

Theo and Matt discuss the impact of appearances and social movements.

“Matt Reif shine on me And I will find a song I've been singing I'm a sister How we doing here?”

Reading Skills and Comedy

3:56 to 4:52

The pair discuss reading aloud and perceptions of attractiveness in comedy.

“I gotta tell you, man, you're very good at reading out loud.”

Unexpected Talents

4:52 to 7:17

Discussion on hidden talents and the surprise of dual skills.

“Amongst the comedy community, you're a piece of ass, dude.”

Onomatopoeia and Its Origins

7:17 to 11:11

A humorous exploration of language, comic books, and sounds.

“He's a singer bro So we got that leg and that throat bro Just a full body powerhouse Yeah They said it would take a man 40 years.”

Magical Misunderstandings

11:11 to 14:00

Theo and Matt discuss the intersection of magic and cooking terminology.

“Back when it was Adam West was, like, the original Batman.”

The Pill Dilemma: Living with Wally

14:00 to 26:23

Theo shares a humorous story about living with his friend's dad and his experience with erectile dysfunction pills.

“Well, yeah, I kind of based it on, like, what's going on or whatever.”

The Pill Dilemma: Living with Wally

26:24 to 27:51

Theo shares a humorous story about living with his friend's dad and his experience with erectile dysfunction pills.

“Prize picks is America's number one sports picks app.”

Reflections on Technology and Its Impact

29:18 to 34:18

The hosts discuss the effects of technology on society and personal focus.

“So do your own research and trade responsibly.”

Memories of Ralphie May

34:18 to 37:56

A heartfelt remembrance of comedian Ralphie May and his influence.

“I ended up asking him so many questions on behalf of my mom.”

Ralphie's Legacy and Humor

37:56 to 39:00

The conversation shifts to Ralphie's humor and his ability to unite audiences.

“Ralphie made out of cardiac arrest caused by hypertensive cardiovascular disease.”
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Relocation to Rhode Island

39:00 to 42:00

Discussing the reasons for relocating to Rhode Island and its charm.

“so I think that there's like a like I think there's a way that you like that you can transfer or like a feeling or like a hope, you know, through space and time, you know?”

Finding Peace in Rhode Island

42:00 to 43:18

Theo and Matt discuss the tranquility of living in Rhode Island and its unique charm.

“I mean, Rhode Island's just an interesting place.”

The Unexpected Move to Vancouver

43:18 to 44:56

Matt shares his experience moving to Vancouver for a role and balancing work and stand-up.

“Have you had to kick anybody out or anything?”

Experiences with Shaquille O'Neal

44:56 to 46:23

Matt recounts his first encounter with Shaquille O'Neal and his impressive sense of humor.

“Does it look like anybody else or just me?”

Childhood Memories: The Anthill Adventure

46:23 to 48:39

Theo shares a humorous story from his childhood about visiting a giant anthill.

“You know the whole shirt take off thing Backstage for this promo video And Shaq took his shirt off And I was like He did?”

Navigating Life After Success

48:39 to 51:18

Both comedians discuss the challenges of adjusting to life after achieving significant career milestones.

“Being a part of that pedigree of a project is awesome.”

Struggles with Motivation and Direction

51:18 to 53:04

Theo and Matt open up about feelings of depression and the uncertainty of their next steps.

“I think some of it was from I don't – there's not a ton to do.”

The Battle with Insomnia

53:04 to 56:00

A candid discussion about Matt's insomnia issues and the impact on his daily life.

“Cause I'm not feeling like a ton of like, um, I just don't know.”

Struggles with Sleep and Anxiety

56:00 to 58:39

Matt discusses his struggles with sleep issues and anxiety.

“That makes, to make me feel like I have to have help to do the most basic human thing feels fucking crazy.”

The Impact of Lack of Sleep

58:40 to 1:01:41

Matt shares the consequences of his sleeplessness on his life and career.

“I think I have whatever Michael Jackson had.”

The Unfairness of Awards

1:01:42 to 1:06:00

Discussion on the nature of awards and the challenges of recognition in the entertainment industry.

“I wouldn't even be able to sit down on the stool, so we had to cancel the show.”

Michael Jackson's Bold Decisions

1:06:01 to 1:10:07

Exploring Michael Jackson's daring choices, particularly his video shoot in Brazil.

“And that's why I think touring is so fucking awesome because it's totally in the hands of like your fans, right?”

Michael Jackson's Brave Decision in Rio

1:10:07 to 1:12:42

Learn about Michael Jackson's choice to film in a Rio favela and the implications of that decision.

“So he was the head of one of the most powerful criminal factions in the city.”

The Haunted Airbnb: Ed and Lorraine Warren's House

1:12:43 to 1:14:12

Discover the story behind the Airbnb created from Ed and Lorraine Warren's haunted house.

“Take me on a little bit more of, so you bought this, Ed and Lorraine's house.”

The Legacy of Ed and Lorraine Warren

1:14:13 to 1:15:08

Explore the impact of Ed and Lorraine Warren on paranormal investigations and horror films.

“which holds, oh God, I think it's something like 700 artifacts or something like that in the museum as well as the Annabelle doll.”

Personal Experiences with the Supernatural

1:15:09 to 1:19:48

Matt Rife shares his encounters with the supernatural and discusses the meaning behind them.

“Sometimes it was taking an item like the Annabelle doll off of the family's hands and putting it in a more secure place, stuff like that.”

Remembering a Loved One: Conversations About Loss

1:19:49 to 1:21:59

A heartfelt discussion about loss, memory, and the impact of loved ones on our lives.

“Yeah, was that – did your grandpa pass away recently or no?”

Comedy Specials: YouTube vs. Netflix

1:22:00 to 1:24:00

Matt Rife discusses the differences between releasing comedy specials on YouTube and Netflix.

“Oh, dude, he fucking loved Ralphie, too.”

YouTube vs Netflix: Reach and Accessibility

1:24:00 to 1:25:00

Exploration of the differences in audience reach between YouTube and Netflix.

“the, the reach of viewership I think is different for YouTube and Netflix is not everybody has Netflix.”

The Evolution of Crowd Work in Comedy

1:25:00 to 1:26:05

Discussion on how crowd work has shifted in stand-up comedy and its significance.

“Just trying to figure out what fits best.”

The Balance of Prepared Material and Spontaneity

1:26:05 to 1:27:15

Insight into the challenges of balancing scripted material with spontaneous crowd interactions.

“Well, especially if you don't have if you're not if you don't have a regular podcast, like the podcasting you do because you just have clips.”

Crowd Work Dynamics: Audience Expectations

1:27:15 to 1:35:04

Examination of audience behavior and expectations during live performances.

“But I mean, I do it because I enjoy it, you know?”

Personal Stories of Crowd Work Success

1:35:04 to 1:36:51

Sharing memorable crowd work moments that highlight the unpredictable nature of live comedy.

“What's your mom doing in your life these days?”

Touring Adventures and Misfortunes

1:36:51 to 1:38:00

A humorous recount of unusual experiences while touring, including a robbery.

“Then we do a little collaborative editing system together.”

Kyle's Romania Experience

1:38:00 to 1:41:11

Learn about a wild night in Romania where a friend gets roofied and robbed.

“My friend Patrick was playing basketball over there.”

Data Centers and Surveillance Culture

1:41:11 to 1:44:48

Discussing the implications of data centers and a growing surveillance state.

“Anything in the news that we wanted to look at?”

Reflections on Generational Differences

1:44:48 to 1:48:12

Exploring generational experiences and the loss of childhood boredom.

“Is it just going to be for accountability?”

Upcoming Projects and Collaborations

1:48:12 to 1:52:00

Matt Reif shares insights on his upcoming projects and collaborations.

“Wandering around, just bored, hoping something would happen.”

Upcoming Projects Overview

1:52:00 to 1:52:41

Learn about Matt Rife's upcoming projects including movies and collaborations.

“That'll be on Netflix, and then we've got the movie with Owen Wilson coming out in October, so that'll be some nice little end of the year.”

Expressing Gratitude and Inspiration

1:52:41 to 1:53:01

Matt expresses gratitude for the opportunity to collaborate and shares insights about staying active in life.

“Thanks for stopping by and spending some time with me, bro.”

Musical Interlude

1:53:01 to 1:53:23

Enjoy a brief musical segment following the conversation.

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0:00What did you steal? Secrets. Disclosure Day is Steven Spielberg's best film in 20 years. Are they people? No. Are they human? My god. Spielberg does this better than anybody in history. I can see you. They're coming. Disclosure Day. Rated PG-13. Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. In theaters Friday. Get tickets now. This episode is sponsored by Mountain Dew. Look for American Dew, limited time packaging, or find it in stores near you at mountaindew.com. I want to tap in right here and let you know if you are somebody that enjoys merchandise, then we got a few summer essentials for you over there in the shop.

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1:45Matt Reif shine on me And I will find a song I've been singing I'm a sister

2:02How we doing here? Looking good, dude. Looking alright? Yeah. I just want to make sure I look fucking BLM adjacent. You what? I just want to make sure that I look... BLM adjacent? Yeah, I want to look BLM adjacent. Like you wouldn't protest yourself, but you'd help make the signs. I just want them to know that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'll pull up, you know what I'm saying? 100%. But I'm not getting crazy out there. No, no. Like I'll hit the barbecue, but I'm not hitting the march, you know? Yeah, dude. There's got to be a line. Yeah, because the BLM march also, I think it just got too...

2:37I don't know. It came at a good time in my life. I had just gotten a whoop bracelet, so I was all about my steps at that time. Oh, for the BLM marches? Yeah, I was kind of right on time. Oh, that's a great point, dude. people don't think about dude i wouldn't be surprised and this is a conspiracy theory a lot of those were like blm marches and like probably the you know i don't know if also maybe like the george floyd protest that was all kind of the same thing i think i think so but um were the were the blm marches and stuff was all that part of like just big propaganda for like the whoop bracelet in some of those companies is that a real conspiracy if people would think it was just for the fitness aspect.

3:13I don't know. Let's look that up on perplexity if you can, dude. What are they saying? Is there... Because all I'm saying is that's smart. That's smart. Do we put out this thing? People need their steps. How do we get them outdoors? It's a black bracelet. I'm just saying. The bracelet could have been any color. Hey, you said it. I was way too early in the pod for that. I mean, bro, this pod's been through a lot. I know, man. I'm so happy we finally made it happen. I think we'll be fine, dude. Me too, man. Good to see you, bro. Good to see you too, man. Wow. Wow. I forget, dude. No, there's no credible evidence that the BLM marches were a conspiracy to sell whoops.

3:47What? Which is a little slangish, I feel like, for perplexity. Or that the protests themselves were pre-planned as a fake operation. Huh. What is true is that the 2020 protests happened in response to the George Floyd killing, and like many large demonstrations, it included a mix of peaceful marches and some incidents of violence, looting, and misinformation. I gotta tell you, man, you're very good at reading out loud. You think? Your cold read skills are incredible. Really? Oh, yeah. I was stumbling over those words, not even saying it out loud. Yeah. That was very impressive. I'm just glad to know that you don't have every skill, dude, because when you like, because you were like, dude, you kind of, you made things difficult on a lot of us, bro, when you were like the good looking comedian, dude.

4:28First of all, were hurt a lot. That was the meanest part of the sentence. Fuck. Sorry. You changed a lot, bro. when you became, you just changed the whole role. It was like, because comedian was a safe place for like kind of regular looking dudes who didn't have that thing, bro. Who couldn't really go around, who couldn't just walk up to a woman and be like, ta-da. That's not true. You literally have that. Everybody knows that. No. Yes. That's, thank you. No, man. Amongst the comedy community, you're a piece of ass, dude. Everybody knows this. This is not true, dude. That's absolutely true. You got to get out and ask more.

5:06I mean I don't think so but what I do know is there's only a few no you did it bro you were like oh my god and people dude I remember a lot of comedians a lot of us were we wouldn't even go out of our houses for months after I came onto the scene after I started doing push ups we were making noises we'd never even made this is primal urges yeah Raw! Raw! Yeah, we didn't even know what to do, dude. We were buying beer and just smashing the cans and just all kinds of shit. People were just drinking Dr. Pepper and just, like, touching themselves in parks and stuff. People didn't know how to operate.

5:48They didn't know how to operate, brother. But, yeah, dude. Anyway, good to see you, bro. I'm just kind of giving you a hard time. No, likewise, man. I've seen you forever. I know. Congrats on all your success and everything, bro. Thank you, man. Thank you so much. So cool. It's wild, dude. It's a lot. It's a lot, yeah? You know what? We did talk one time. Hold on. I'm not even done with this yet. Does it bug you that I say the good-looking comedian thing? Does that bug you at all or no? It doesn't bother me. It bothers other people, I suppose. It does? You think? Yeah. I get shit for it all the time.

6:16People act like I'm the one walking around saying it. Oh, yeah. That's the weird part. Oh, no. Dude, yeah, because it was like, what do you mean? Because first you heard rumors. There's a guy, and he's doing comedy, and it's good, and he's good-looking. And people are like, what do you mean? people are calling their grandfathers grandfathers and your grandpa would be like what do you mean and his woo bracelet would fucking start you know not good not good call Edna now like report to grandmother I didn't realize I was affecting families it was just a lot for people bro sorry because people had never seen that you know this is like there's some people that have like skill like a skill and then another skill People are surprised when somebody has one skill And then they also have something else It's almost like Justin Tucker do you know who that is for Baltimore The Baltimore Ravens kicker can you bring him up Yeah yeah I believe he's an opera singer He's a mezzo He's a singer He's a singer bro So we got that leg and that throat bro Just a full body powerhouse Yeah

7:53They said it would take a man 40 years. to get out of this here prison. But Andy Dufresne did it in less than 20. Bro, props to Justin Tucker. I mean, that's beautiful. What do you think is the bigger flex, being an NFL punter or having that kind of skill set to opera sing? I think that you get you, the NFL punter is just a mild thing that he's doing. It's a hobby. Yeah. Just to pay the bills while he pursues. Bro, when you got that kind of lung in you, bro, and you out there just, he's just all lung. You ever try? You ever try to sing like that? Like, just be like, I wonder if I can? yeah I think I have probably have you?

8:27yeah of course it's always like when you're in your car you turn the radio down you turn the volume down just enough to hear yourself you're like am I fucking this up then you can hear yourself and you're like I'm fucking ruining this song like I know I don't have it in me cause you have to try eventually you don't know what skill set you might have yeah like I was watching that's a good point yeah you don't know what skill set you might have right and who even ever even tries how many people could be like they never even tried that's unbelievable yeah like yeah like are there things you've tried are there some side quests that you've kind of tried You know what?

8:56I feel like I've been so busy I haven't had time to really explore a lot of other avenues But I'd like to learn stuff I'd love to learn like an instrument or something Or fucking magic, dude You fuck with magic? I mean, I think it's, you know, I'm kind of like That's where the black in me shows up at the surface, bro When people start doing a lot of magic It feels like it could be too real? It's just like, if this dude's doing this right here What's he doing in his, you know what I'm saying? If he's willing to show us this what's he doing at the house? That's a good point. But also picturing somebody learning magic in their house by themselves is also one of the funniest things I can imagine.

9:32I can't picture anything lonelier. Nobody around to see your voila, your kazam, whatever your fucking power word is. Voila. I don't know. Is that not a magician word? Is that chef shit? That's a good question, bro. Yeah, do chefs and magicians beef over their verbal, like ejaculate or whatever it's called. Or like they're like, do chefs and magicians beef over like their, what is it called do you think, Matt? They're like. It's not delivered. They are, it is a delivery, but they're finishing syllables. Finishing syllables. Yes. Is it onomatopoeia? Yeah. Is that what it is? I think it is. Is that like the word for sounds?

10:12Yeah. Bring that up onomatopoeia, dude. Onomatopoeia was like some kid that couldn't read good that had to go to the toilet or whatever. I remember that. We had a dude in our arms. in our Sunday school when he couldn't. You just started looking at him, bro, and you could tell he had to go to the toilet. He was fidgeting. Yeah, his whole body would start shaking, bro. I'm not going to lie to you. I would have lost all my money on how to spell that word, onomatopoeia. And you'd be like, damn, onomatopoeia soon, bro. So we got to get him out of here, bro.

10:45And onomatopoeia is the process of creating a word that phonetically imitates or suggests the sound that it describes. I didn't even know there was a T in there. I've been saying onomatopoeia my entire life. Yeah. Well, we can take a break if you need us to. Impacts and collisions. So, like, boom, bang, crash. You know what did it a lot was, like, those old comic books with, like, Batman. Oh, 100%. It's just the one big word. Bang! Yes. Back when it was Adam West was, like, the original Batman. You big comic guy? You know, I'm not that big into it, but I think I liked it when I was a kid, but I never got into the comic books.

11:23I feel that Did you? No I can't do it I don't know why I'm not a big on paper kind of guy Like I'm not reading the Harry Potter books I'm not doing it Yeah now I mean I could settle I think if I ever have to go to the hospital for a long time I'm saving Sopranos and Harry Potter for not gonna go to the hospital For a long recovery series Yeah hospital Or if I get married and my wife's in a coma or something I gotta sit in there with her You just ever propped up to watch the series? That's uh What's the um Well I mean I'm gonna have just I wanna have something to do I want to be able to look forward.

11:54Because some people, that's such a scary time in their life if your spouse is in a coma or something, if your wife's in a coma. So I want to at least be able to look forward to something. So I've saved those things till then. What's that? Is it Munchausen syndrome? Is it where you keep somebody sick so that they need you? I could see you doing that just to finish the series. Yeah, dude. Like my wife's like, she's starting, like you're getting like a little bit of reading on her, like her like. On the heartbeat monitor? Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, hold on, honey. I'm almost done. Yeah. Hold on, I got four episodes of Breaking Bad left.

12:26Dude, you know that's happened to somebody. Oh, 100%. No, there was a guy, I met a guy at a show one time who he faked being sick from work for three weeks to stay home and watch TV. That was like his full thing. Wow. And his wife totally just allowed it. Which was like a cool mom letting you skip school. That's got to be dope. Yeah, man, that's the one. That's the one. I want to find a lady like that. On the second day, she's like, oh, I see what you're doing. Oh, yeah. He's not even faking it anymore on day three. He's just living his life. She's on to him. Yeah. And she's like, I like it. How long are you going to be here?

13:01Dang, dude. Yeah, that's got to be if you get a good partner like that. But yeah, dude. So that's like, what were we even talking about? How the fuck did we get into watching TV? Onomatopoeia. Onomatopoeia. Yeah, the bangs. The wallahs. Magic. That's what it was. Match tracking. Yeah. What's your finishing term? Oh, man. How did voila come to be a term? How did, or what, ta-da? I think it's ta-da. Voila is definitely a chef term. I don't know why that came to me first. Voila sounds like, uh, tells audience the truth. Oh. Oh, voila came from voila. Abracadabra. That's a, yeah, classic. It's magic might be the lamest one I've heard.

13:41You do it tricky, you got to tell them what it is. It's magic. That's magic. Hey, that's like if you're making love to a girl and it's not that good, and you're like, it's sex. That's cum It's wiener She's like it's barely wiener It's not dick for sure It's not dick It's wiener It's almost like one of those like can't believe it's not dick How is that not like blue chews motto Blue chews Hems pills I can't believe it's not dick That's wiener You don't pop one of those bad boys The blue chews Oh dude yes And, dude, I'll even nibble just half of one. A half? Well, yeah, I kind of based it on, like, what's going on or whatever.

14:24Like, because I used to live with my buddy's dad. I used to live, brother. Wait, hold on. How could this possibly be? Where's this going? Yeah, it doesn't go anywhere gay. It goes to a straight place. There's no way it does. But it takes a gay route. Okay. I'm listening. I'm following the curve. My buddy's dad, in RIP, my buddy's dad just passed Wally. And I lived with him, dude, right out of high school. I live with him because he had a script for them Wiener pills, right? And they didn't have Bluetooth at the time. You couldn't just be getting those uppers, bro. You know what I'm saying? And so when somebody had, it was like, dude.

14:57So I was like, well, if I live with Wally, then he's got a script, and I can just pop him if I need him because I had a ton of sexual anxiety. And he wasn't using them all. He was using them. He was going through them pretty quick. That's what I didn't know. I wish he'd have told me that before we signed the lease. I think you were going to have visitors Oh I thought dude I thought I was going to be living large dude You know what I'm saying bro I'm just saying like his erection Was getting it steps in He's going to whoop around it Yeah That's dick What was the sexual anxiety that you had? Oh just in my 20s I had a lot of sexual anxiety bro Just nerves Yeah a ton of nerves I had a tough time talking with girls It made me nervous bro Like super nervous because I think I had a tough relationship with my mother.

15:45So even just the interaction with like looking at a woman, being looked at by a woman, that kind of stuff was like made me super like nervous. So I think that just that didn't just it doesn't just go away kind of. So then you move on through life. And now now the women you're interacting with, it's like about, you know, dating, intimacy, dating, sexuality, whatever, wiener. And then for wiener, that's all, you know. So just some of that. But anyway, so I went to live and I got to talk, dude, I have you here and I'm talking so much. No, I love the story already. So I went to live with Wally, bro.

16:18R.I.P. Shout out. And so we were living over there. We were living in like a studio apartment. So, oh no, no, no, it wasn't that bad. Sorry. It was a one bedroom, but the bedroom didn't have, it just had a little balcony. It didn't have like a full wall. Got it. Got it. Okay. So I'd sleep out on the couch and he had a car and he would let me borrow his car, but the car you couldn't turn it off you had to get it jumped so i would drive the car to school and i'd park like this was at loyola in new orleans i would park up by the like teacher's area and just leave it running the whole time and for some reason if the car's running they like wouldn't put a ticket on it like somebody just ran inside or whatever it's genius so i'd leave it running the whole time i was at class it would cost like maybe six dollars in gas but i would leave it running anyway he got the pills i would try to nibble off him so he didn't see and i'm trying how to reshape them and shit, bro.

17:07I was carving them into crescent moons. Oh, dude, I was trying to make them all smaller and shit, bro. I was like... Chiseling it down. Yes, yeah. Bro, I was like, yeah, like shifting. It would be like an oval, and now it's just like a diamond or something. It was trap shit, bro. Did he ever catch you? Huh? Did he ever catch you? He never brought it up to me, bro. That's a gentleman. And he'd have ladies over sometimes, and I was learning the guitar, actually, at the time, and he'd have, he'd go in there sometimes at night and play Tears in Heaven for them. That's a song I could play. Who sings that?

17:37I did at the time. It was Eric Clapton. There you go. Would you know my name? Being serenaded to that would, I don't even know if I'd need the pills. Saw you in the back. Yeah, they'd be drinking orange juice and vodka in the bed, and I'd go in there and just play it for them a couple times. Dude, it's so hard to smash with a roommate. I remember my first apartment in LA. I was living with my manager's son at the time. And it was a studio. There was just no door into the bedroom So it was really an open floor plan And I lived on the couch And I had like the small closet And then he had like what would be considered the bedroom I remember he was out of town one weekend And this girl wanted to come over And we did sex in his bed And she was like, what are all those clothes doing out there?

18:22I was like, oh yeah, I let my friend live on the couch Yeah, oh, always Yeah, my friend's not doing well, I would say Yeah, of course, it makes me feel like I'm doing a good deed Yeah, he's passing through town And he put all his pickers up on the walls and shit You're like, yeah, he's the kind of guy he is. Of course. Travels with his memories. Yeah, he travels with his memories, dude. Oh, voila, dude. Voila. Were you guys out this weekend? I knew you were here for CMA Fest, right? Yeah, I came down to do some stuff with Billboard with the Red Clay Strays and then stayed in town for the shows, man.

18:50I fucking love it here. You do? Yeah, I almost moved to Nashville, but I wanted land and I wanted a lot of it. Right. And there wasn't anything within like an hour of the city that I really liked. If you live an hour outside of Nashville, you don't really live in Nashville. We live in fucking Chattanooga. Yeah, yeah, you live a little bit further out. I agree. Yeah, it's nice. There's some good land out there. Yeah, dude. What did I see with Ray Clay Stray? You were giving them an award? Yeah, yeah. I gave them the Groundbreakers Award for Billboard, which was awesome, man. So cool, dude. Dude, they're such good guys.

19:19Oh, they're the best. Oh, there you are right there, dude. Bro, so there was no introduction whatsoever. They just go, and Matt Reif. Everybody's like, wait, for real? Turning away from the ball. There's a giant open pit of like, I'm going to say, 30 feet by 50 feet. People just standing like it was a wet floor. Nobody wanted to come close. It was the weirdest thing ever. It's okay. It's like two minutes long to bring the guys up. Dude, that's awesome that you get to bring those guys up. They're special, bro. You know, comedy really – a lot of comedians really embrace them. I think a lot of – if you go to their shows, it's almost music for men and young men.

19:49Do you feel like that in a way? I do. I do. I mean, it's such a – I don't know. It reminds me of music from like the 50s and 60s, which I think was like music's golden age. And I think there's a yearning for that because everybody loves that sound. but there's no new production of that. I think they put that out. It's refreshing. I love those guys. Yeah, they're so good, bro. Sometimes I feel... Dude, it's my favorite song. Is it? I fuck it. I'm still fine. So good. Kyle and I would blast that in the house for days. People here living it up. I think I'm fine. I think you're not aware of mine. Oh, God, it's so good, dude.

20:26Oh. I love them. Shout out to Red Clay Straits. Pull up those lyrics, dude. Dude, let me see those lyrics for a second. You know, Brandon's brother, Matthew, wrote that song. He wrote it? Yeah, not even in the band, technically. He's writing hits, dude. I saw him the other night, dude. I knew he wrote some of their songs. Sometimes I feel like I can't feel. Obviously, this is a song about being on antidepressants then. This is a song about coming off of SSRIs, dude. This isn't real. It should be hurting. This isn't real. It should be hurting. I was alone. I was a song. Music and bone. God's perfect wording.

21:00People here living it up, I think they're blind. I think they're out of their minds. Not one of them has had this. God's not giving up on me. No, I'm just fine. It's just a matter of time. I mean, there's a bars in there, man. Oh, yeah. I think it's powerful stuff. People here living, I think they're blind. It's like, yeah, how can you be so positive and all this stuff's going on? Dude, I think that's kind of, sometimes it's where we are in the world, and I don't even want to get negative, but it's like, it does feel sometimes like we are pretending that we're okay. Does that make sense? Absolutely.

21:29I mean, I think I operate from a big position of just bliss. I try to stay out of stuff. Like, I'm not a political person at all. I should get torn to shreds for even saying this, but, like, I don't pay attention. It seems so stressful. It seems like all bad stuff all the time, and I'm like, it's either happened or it's nothing I can really do about it. Yeah. So, I mean, sometimes being uninformed leads to a little bit of happiness. Dude, no, it's a good point. I think the more I learn sometimes, the more it hurts. sometimes or something hurt. I don't, I don't know what it is. No, I think that's life though.

22:02I think about like when you're a kid, you don't know anything. Life is so blissful, right? You can't, you don't, you don't even know about all the problems going on. Yeah. Do you ever say, that's so right. Little kids are just like, yeah, they don't know anything. I think the more you learn as life goes by, I mean, I think the, the magic of, of life kind of gets, um, smeared. Yeah. You know, I, sometimes I wonder, it's like, cause sometimes we talk, we'll talk about stuff on here that's like kind of political or things that like we feel a lot of it's like stuff that you end up learning about through technology too and it's like we wouldn't know it if we were like back in like tribal time where we were in like these you know if we didn't have so much technology we wouldn't know a lot of this stuff but do you think that's how we're supposed to be though i don't think it's how we're supposed to be i think there will be a time in the future where we will look back and or someone will look back and they'll be like what were they do it?

22:52How did they even, what was happening? You think, do you think we're supposed to know about everything going on in the world? Like, do you think we should know what's going on? Like overseas in different countries with different people? It's tough, dude. Like as human beings. Well, I wonder if sometimes I think that no, it doesn't do us any good. I mean, a lot of times I'm angry about stuff that's not even in my area. And then it's like where I could probably put that, put that same energy towards stuff that is maybe more localized or even in my own family and personal life to have a better effect on those things or try to uh but then i also i've heard people talk about like that there's no real separation like between space and time so i wonder sometimes like if people like if you see something that's so painful in the world and you prayed enough about it or you really tried to channel like whatever good had been blessed to you or bestowed upon you if you try to channel it towards like could you have an effect you know so because then that makes me think oh well then there is some purpose to all of that yeah absolutely but i don't know i don't know any of that but it's just it is stuff to think about no that's a good spiritual direction though i like that you know it's something to think about but i don't think there's anything i can't sit here and be like sometimes like sometimes i'll be like well why don't certain people say this say speak up somebody but that's that's me like trying to project or think some way it's like everybody's on their own thing yeah of course sometimes i maybe have wishes yeah but but sometimes it's like yeah it'd be better just to like sit and laugh sometimes people just want their comedians to just joke around and not be yeah not be talking about other stuff yeah sometimes just because somebody doesn't speak up on something doesn't mean that they're not empathetic about it maybe they just maybe they can't handle it maybe that's just not where they're they may not have blinders on that you know they have their sights on something specific or just minding their own business yeah doesn't always mean they're a bad person i don't think no i don't think so either yeah like i have friends and my buddy's like dude i i was like do you ever think about this or worry about this he's like well you know i got a couple kids my kids right now and i have a kid who you know he has a kid that has some learning disabilities like i just spend i have to focus all on that it's like you can't fault that it's like no i think that's actually better i think i think general i think uh focusing a lot of your energy on the things more direct to you i think can be a good thing i think that's a lot more peaceful think about the things that get like people are complaining online all the time about something right yes all the time it's like okay is that thing you're complaining about to you personally more important than like you know your kids baseball game or whatever it is or their birthday party coming up or something that's more important to you directly right if you're sitting in the stands like you're like mastering a tweet and you miss your kids like you know double or he gets a hit i agree how do you even have time to do that if you're not focused on something more important and sometimes we'll leave i'll notice i'll find other things to worry about so i don't have to worry about my own shit i don't know if that's healthy or not oh i don't think it is at all but I notice I'll even use worrying about other stuff sometimes as like a method of like escapism from like not taking care of the things I need to be taken care of.

25:45That's a very good point. Next time my dick doesn't get hard, I'm like, it's just with everything going on in Iran right now. You know what I mean? Like how can you even possibly expect me to pee up right now? Wait, you're expecting sex when there are people starving somewhere? Okay. I think it's a perfect house. Oh, my penis doesn't work. It's obvious. You know, that's look, there's stuff happening in Gaza right now and you're expecting a lot. You want troops on the ground over here, right? But you don't want it over there? What are we talking about? That's hilarious, dude. Yeah, that's Mr. X.

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29:32I mean, obviously there's so much good to be learned, you know, but I do feel like it distracts us from a lot of things we probably should be focusing on firsthand. Yeah. I mean, I'll leave that open to interpretation. It's a more generalized concept, but I don't think it's good for us. Yeah. I think, I think a lot of different things about it. So what else at CMAs do you do? Have you spent a lot of time in Nashville or no? I mean, I've been performing here since I was like 16. Like Zany's was one of the first clubs I ever got to perform at. Really? Yeah. Did you open up for somebody? Oh, a bunch of people.

30:04I mean, Tommy Davidson to Pauly Shore to Jim Brewer, Bill Bellamy I've opened for. Oh, Ralphie, obviously. When I was like still living in Ohio, he used to let me come down here and do his shows right before Christmas. at Zaney's and he would like, I mean, he would pay me like five,$600, which I'm in high school. So that's like a million dollars to me so that I could like, I could go back home and like buy my family a Christmas presents with that money. He was like the nicest guy. So I mean, I've been coming here for a while. I love it here. It's a good comedy scene too. Yeah. It's good people, man.

30:35It's some of the best people. I couldn't agree more. I can't believe you got to come down here and work with Ralphie. That was so wild. What was that like? Did you see him having troubles back then? I mean, that was a long time ago. I mean, he was fat the whole time. I never knew him to not be gigantic. So, I mean, there was no... I mean, I was also 16, 17, so again, I'm not really, like, looking for problems. Wow! Yeah, that's at the... Oh, that's you? That's at the Brea Improv. Yeah, I think I'm 17 in this. Maybe 18? Wow. I think I maybe just turned 18 in that. But look at that watch. Wow. Fake.

31:11Couldn't be more fake. I think it's supposed to be what's it made out of like it looks like a goddamn Ben 10 watch dude it looks like it's made out of ivory is it real ivory? no it's not real ivory man it's pure plastic is it real tusk? not at all man oh dude look at Ralphie's smile bro yeah man I miss him a lot he was such a good guy he started when he was super young too I think he started when he was 14 he was full of black he said he was so big because a lot of his inside it had a lot of blacks A lot of blacks in them? Black people inside of them. I mean, you could fit a couple of black people inside of them.

31:46He said there was like a couple of black guys in the front seat and the back seat of him. Because you know how sometimes you give one brother a ride, a couple of brothers show. Of course. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's that? Yeah. You know? Somebody hopping on the pegs, you know? Yeah, dude. That was the craziest thing, bro. I used to bike through the neighborhood. And on my way to school, I'd go through the black area. And my buddy Jonathan would get on the back. and then like sometimes a couple of his buddies would get on the front, dude. And so I was just this little, just like white little engine that could, dude, you know, just like.

32:19Calves just pumping. I think I can. I think I can. I'm just sitting there. Yeah. And they used to call me the N-word bus. That's what they call me. When they saw me pulling up, they're like, oh, here comes your bus. And they'd all jump on. Dude, and I'd have to get like five guys to get, you know, help them get their education or whatever. And I was like, I can do it. Help them get their education. like you were public service. Bro, if I didn't get them there, it was like 11 more blocks of school. If I didn't get them there, they wasn't going, bro. They stopped at block 8. Oh, bro, yeah, yeah.

32:48One or two dudes got off, bro. We never saw them again. That's so fucking funny, too. So that was wild, bro. But yeah, Ralphie was like, Ralphie was one of a kind, bro. I can't name somebody else that's like Ralphie. Can you really? No, man. I really wish I could see how he would have navigated like comedy today. It's changed so much In just the 15 years that I've been doing it And watching him I mean not give a fuck isn't The most articulate way to say that But like he was just so unapologetically himself And people fucked with it dude I had never met anybody who didn't like him Oh Dude I remember I broke down when he passed It like really hit me hard Oh same man that was Arguably my first like mentor In comedy He um I was I wasn't even I think I'd maybe just turned 16 he was coming to Youngstown Ohio he's playing a theater up there no I'm sorry it was Cleveland he was he was doing a hilarities up there and this was like when Twitter like you could you could reach anybody on Twitter everybody was so accessible so I like tweeted at him I was like hey I'm this kid in Ohio and I'm doing comedy now can I open for you at hilarity and he was like yeah you know what fuck it come on down but my mom ruined it.

34:02She, well, cause she had no experience in this whatsoever. I mean, to her, this is just a grown man inviting her son up to Cleveland, right? This is like pedophilia or whatever. Yeah. She had no idea. I mean, I had been doing comedy for humorous pedophilia, humorous pedophilia, maybe five months I've been doing standup. So I didn't know anything either. So she's asking like, where do I park? Do we need to buy tickets? What time do we need to be there? Where do we need to go? Do I need to talk to anybody? I ended up asking him so many questions on behalf of my mom. He was like, Hey man, I actually, it's actually not going to work out.

34:30So he canceled on me. And then maybe six months later, he was doing Youngstown, and he let me come up and do that. That was like my first theater show. Paid me$100 for it. It was nice. Did you hold that against your mom? Oh, I was devastated. To me, I was like, this is going to be my big break. You know what I mean? I'm going to be this famous comedian after doing one guest spot in Cleveland. Oh, but that's all it takes, dude. You get three minutes of a video. Somebody bringing you up. You get to bring Ralphie up. Anything. When you're that age, dude, bananas. I know. It would have been awesome.

35:02The theater show was very cool. I ended up, I actually ended up meeting, um, Tony Hinchcliffe's mom at that show. In Youngstown? Yeah. She was just like, yeah, I have a son who just moved to LA. He's doing comedy out there opening for like Jeff Ross. I didn't think anything of it. I didn't know anybody. Moved to LA and he was like, you fucking know my mom. And why did she, why was she at that show? She was just a Ralphie fan. No. Yeah. It was totally, totally random. I was just taking pictures with people after the show and she was like, yeah, my, my son lives out there. He said his mom still has like the piece of paper that I signed for her.

35:31She kept it even after all those years. Oh, that's pretty cool. So crazy. Yeah. I forget. He's from Youngstown, huh? Dude. Was it a pretty urban show? No, dude. Youngstown was so white. It was so white, dude. But I mean, this was also when he was doing, Ralphie was doing this bit about the N word. And I think it, I think it made it into one of his specials where he was basically trying to make a point that if you desensitize the word and make it mean something different. So he was like, I think we should name the most delicious flavored cookie. The M word. I love that. Oh, I see that. You can say it more optimistically.

36:05But this was like a mostly white room with a few black people. But it didn't matter. Like the joke was just great across the board. Like he was for everybody. His crowds were so eclectic. And I loved coming up with that. I never wanted to like pigeonhole and play to like a specific audience. I'm like, if he can appeal to everybody, like that's the main goal. Yeah, dude. dude well yeah just to be your i think to try and try and be as close to your truth is what it is and i think ralphie was that guy he was just like he loved like being accepted by black folks and white folks he loved bringing them together with humor yeah uh and he loved just like being able to kind of be welcomed just in that space because to be in that space also and navigate comedy it's important because you have like a you don't have a responsibility something but you can bring people together if two people can laugh at the same joke that's a big thing i couldn't agree more i think sense of humor is so important dude dude that's so cool that you got to have some of those moments with him yeah when i first moved to la he uh he used to pick me up we'd go to like a diner he'd make me order like three entrees and i was like is this fucking for you he was like no whatever you don't eat you can take home with me now you have like groceries for your week yeah i have leftovers for it.

37:15The nicest guy, man. Wow. I know. I know. Dang, that's big, bro. That's a big heart. He was mostly heart. Heart and brothers inside of him. Yeah, mostly heart and brothers. He was one of those people that, like, I wish I could have got to share what I get to go through now with him because I knew him from, like, so, so young and he was somebody that I looked up to. Yeah. Just to get his perspective on it, see what advice he would have had, you know? Yeah, dude. That was a huge loss. What did he pass away from exactly? Did he have pneumonia pretty bad? I think it was COVID. I think he had early COVID.

37:52I just want to get clear on that. It was not COVID. I'm pretty sure it was a heart attack. Yeah, cardiac arrest. Ralphie made out of cardiac arrest caused by hypertensive cardiovascular disease. The Clark County Nevada coroner officially ruled his death as natural. I mean... He was battling pneumonia at the time. Um... That happens a lot, Ralph. He had a heart attack. His lung collapsed. I mean, that lung was exhausted. I mean, God damn, bro. I think I can. I think I can. I think I can, dude. We got to get these brothers to school, dude. That was his lung, dude. Oh, damn, bro. He would love that joke, though.

38:38He would love that bit. Oh, he would love it, bro. He would love that bit. Dude, honestly, I'm not even joking. can I can feel him smiling right now that's one thing bro I believe that there is this there's this like between space and time like if we say like Ralphie we love you and we miss you and thank you for all the times you made us laugh I believe I think he can feel that somewhere I think so so I think that there's like a like I think there's a way that you like that you can transfer or like a feeling or like a hope, you know, through space and time, you know? I don't know. No, you can call it prayer.

39:16You can call it whatever, whichever angle you want to come from. I think it does affect things. Yeah. And here's the thing. Even if it doesn't, isn't it so much better to just believe it anyways? 100%. Isn't life just better to believe it? Yeah. I mean, I feel the same way about fucking Bigfoot. Just cooler to believe he's out there. Yeah, dude. Is he? Probably not. But it's so much more fun to think maybe he is. Dude, what about the guy that just was on Joe Rogan that saw an eight famine? I think he was a Navy SEAL. Can you bring him up? They saw an eight foot big They said eight foot That's pretty big Well how tall is Victor Wimbenyana?

39:45He's gotta be close But his little ass He would be a punk He would be kind of a punk In the Bigfoot community He's a runt I mean he would be I mean they would respect him for sure He's more of a slender man Oh you fuck with slender man? I mean I don't fuck with him Dude That's my lane dog I love all spooky shit Oh yeah that's right You bought all this You bought the spooky You invested in Ed and Lorraine's Yeah their home and museum Wow That's right dude That's where you live You live in Rhode Island In Rhode Island Yeah yeah yeah But their house is in Connecticut So it's down the street Hour and a half drive Something like that It's fucking awesome man How did that come to pass man I know some of this might be old news No no no Not a lot of people know That I'm even into this stuff My friend and my business partner Elton Castell He and I started doing like He had been doing ghost hunting On YouTube for Oh god probably close to like Eight years now and then I kind of came aboard about five years ago something like that we've been like around the world to some of the most haunted places it's so fucking cool you have?

40:43yeah yeah we had Sam and Colby on here talking about that before oh those guys are awesome yeah those guys are fucking sick dude one time I went to dinner with Rogan I go meet him Sam and Colby are like with Joe shut up blew my mind yeah man they're good dudes I was like what the fuck are y 'all doing here dude it's a smaller world than you think oh they're like the like spooky in sync kind of it's like it's kind of what they seem like a little bit when you meet them you know yeah man they're handsome for no reason yeah it's like oh you're handsome and you're ghost hunters they're another they're a couple justin tuckers dude that's who they are you can't even see bangs in the dark there's no reason to even have good hair like that i it's just but dude bangs that's an onomatopoeia bang but i'm talking about hair man oh take me through a little bit more of that so you move so you so first you why did you move to ron you said you wanted some land yeah i wanted land mainly i wanted i wanted some land i wanted a city that is convenient for travel and so like pvd is like my burbank airport and then boston's like my lax if i have to have to have to go direct okay so that's providence in boston airport yeah and then i wanted some kind of a comedy scene and providence has the comedy connection there which is a fucking great a club um they've got a couple of good theaters there that i'll do like our holiday toy drives at and stuff on the winter time and then they have a there's a ton of open mics there's a bunch of don't tells out there so like when i'm home and i want to work stuff out like there's no shortage of stage time at all wow so i mean i kind of just checked all the boxes it's awesome dude it's so peaceful it's so beautiful like it's quaint it's got it's got everything i need like i said the airport's nearby comedy's nearby target's eight minutes away how far is it from the airport to your house 17 minutes that's good yeah it's not bad at all dude and i mean we're in the cities all the time for work right like we're always talking i'm always in new york i'm always in la or miami chicago or whatever like when i'm not there i just want peace like that's what I actually have.

42:33What made you pick that? I mean, Rhode Island's just an interesting place. No, absolutely. You know, it's kind of like, it's kind of romantic. Rhode Island to me has like this like beachy kind of romantic scene, but also like this thuggish sort of scene. Well, I didn't know how like mob deep it was, dude. I had no idea Rhode Island was like run by the mob for a while, which was pretty fucking awesome. I was doing shows at Mohegan Sun in Connecticut and this was around the time I was just like just starting to look for like, maybe I'll get a house someday. My life's starting to change. and I was on Zillow and I found a house like an hour away and I was like, shit, I'll just go check it out before the show's tomorrow and I went, checked it out, just fell in love with it.

43:09No. Yeah, so I mean, totally random, didn't know anybody there. A couple of my friends have moved out there ever since they live with me so it's kind of a nice little compound. Oh, you got friends living with you? Yeah, absolutely. Have you had to kick anybody out or anything? What's that been like? You guys splitting wiener pills out there? What are you guys doing out there? Bro, it's like you live there. To hit both on the head is pretty impressive. Yes and yes, man. We're rationing it up there, brother. Oh, yeah, dude. Now, I will say this. If the Wiener Peele factory ever closes, dude, there is going to be, the market is going to be hot for those, bro.

43:40Oh, my God. It's the new Quaaludes. You think they get better with age? I didn't even think about that. I'm going to sit on a couple. I'm going to put some in my safe. Yeah. In a little time capsule. Give one of your grandson one day, huh? Hey, eat this. Now your diaper won't fit. that's ridiculous dude i kind of love living with the homies it's it's nice i mean the house is big enough to like my boy kyle lives upstairs i live downstairs like those days i don't even see him yeah we'll meet we'll meet together in the kitchen for like an uncrustable around 4 p.m that's about it dude it's so peaceful it's just chill when you're there like what types of things you get involved in you actually have enough time to take off when you're there or what's that like for you right now i know you just had it i saw you guys were filming and you were filming in vancouver How was that?

44:23Yeah, I was in Vancouver for like seven months last year. No way. Oh, dude, within a week I had to move. Like, I didn't think I was going to get this role at all. And then they called and were like, hey, you got it. I need you to move to Vancouver. And I was like, awesome. It was Friday. They're like, need you there Monday. And I was like, oh, okay. I mean, things could happen that fast in this career. Did you have touring dates you had to cancel and everything? I only had to cancel a couple for film dates, but luckily they let me keep as many of them as I could, which is important to me. Yeah, for sure.

44:49Matt Reif among 10 cast in Netflix's FTX series. And this FTX, it's about crypto. It's about the cryptocurrency. Yeah. Do you remember like. Is that Paul Rudd? No, it's not Paul Rudd. Which one do you think is Paul Rudd? Which one of those? Bottom middle. You think that's Paul Rudd? Does it look like anybody else or just me? That's going to be just you.

45:15I wish Paul Rudd was in this. He's fucking great. Somebody's Instagram. You thought that was that guy. I don't know, dude. I need some help. I'm still fine. No, don't sing your way out of it, man. I'm sorry, dude. Oh, solo meal. We kick the field goal. You can't kick your way out of this, man. Your way out. I'm just saying, bro. Things happen sometimes visually for people. I think some of those wiener pills got my optics off, dude. You got some side effects. Yeah, some side effects. Some lingers. Yeah, bro. Can't see. Yeah. Imagine you took so many meter pills, you just don't. The side effect is you can't get celebrities right anymore.

45:58I don't think that's that bad. You eat like Beetlejuice, you're like, hey, what's up, Shaq? Dude, I met Shaq, by the way, for the first time. I did a thing with Burt for the Netflix festival. He really is that fucking big. He's gigantic, man. Also one of the best senses of humor Of like a non-comedian I've fucking ever met Oh really? Dude he's funny Loves a good joke about himself man You know Burt was doing the whole You know the whole shirt take off thing Backstage for this promo video And Shaq took his shirt off And I was like He did? Damn Is he jacked? Yeah man Dude look how ripped Yeah Man sometimes I like to I like to reminisce about Summertime Summertime baby It was hot and mom would try to make the best out of things though and she said one day she said i'm going to take y 'all to see the world's biggest anthill about 70 miles from us and so we sat there and we weren't really excited but we was curious and sometimes that was enough in the summertime to get you out of the house and mom didn't know but i'd snuck me a little deviled egg in my pocket so i could get had me a little snack i'd snuck a little de down in my pocket with a piece of ice next to it so I could keep it cool in there.

47:15And we got to that anthill and it was, I mean, you couldn't even imagine how big it was. You needed two people to imagine it at the same time to have the imagination of it. It took two imaginations. And they had all types of ants in there. They had ants. They had step ants. Ants once removed. They had cants. They had ants that just couldn't do it anymore. You know, they just had, they was dealing with impairments or high blood pressure. And we were about 95 minutes into the tour. We'd been, you know, we was coming around the east end of that anthill and, and I'd been bit probably 20, 30 times by now.

47:58And, and they had a little rest area, little bathroom area. I said, I'm going to sneak off behind these toilets and have me that deviled egg, baby, have me a little cut of that DE that I had in my pocket. And I reached in there. Those ants had picked my pocket clean, brother. I don't know how much devil was in that egg, but it wasn't enough to keep those ants away. So we had some times out there, man. And they were challenging and they were exciting and they were adventurous. And that's summertime, you know? Anyway, cheers to Mountain Dew. Tastes like America. Tastes like summer. So you were up there in Vancouver.

48:42Was it an enjoyable experience? Vancouver's awesome. Vancouver's beautiful. I had a good time with that. Being a part of that pedigree of a project is awesome. Anthony Boyle and Julia Gardner are the leads of it. And they're just such fucking great actors. Really? Like if they're not nominated for an award for the, for the show, I mean, it's robbery. They're, they're so, so talented to like get to like learn from people like that day after day for seven months was just an awesome opportunity. It was so hard though. Like the dialogue was just not something I was familiar with. Like it's all about crypto shit.

49:12So like every line I'm having to like Google what I'm even saying. Oh really? Was that intense? Oh my God. So obviously memorizing the lines was a lot more difficult than just like a day-to-day conversation. Yeah. But it was a good challenge. I love, I love acting. I want to do more of it for sure. Yeah? Yeah, I think so. But the thing about acting is it takes away from that stand-up. It takes away from that stage time. It definitely does. It's hard to go. Because if you have those long days, were you having long days? Oh, yeah. I mean, you're on set for sometimes a 17-hour day. You can't go do stand-up at the end of that day.

49:41No. I mean, most of the seven months, I was filming Monday through Friday. And then Saturday morning, I'd get on a plane to go do a show Saturday night. Got it. Flight of the next place Sunday. And then I'd have to take like a red eye after the show Sunday night to be on set at like 6 a.m. Monday morning. So there was some weeks where I'm showing up on like no sleep. But if you want to do all if you want to do it all, like that's the price to pay for it. But also the stand up, like I've been doing it for literally half my life. And I'm so like blessed to be in the position that I'm in right now.

50:09Like it's fucking insane. the opportunities I've got to have over the last couple years, that there starts to become more of a question of, like, what now with stand-up? Like, I've sold out Madison Square Garden. I've done the Hollywood Bowl. It's like, what is supposed to be after that? Like, for me, that's when, like, the fun of just, like, the creative behind it is what kind of has to propel you. Like, I still have, like, these funny thoughts and these stories that I want to tell. Like, you have to just enjoy doing stand-up. Like you find something to chase, but it's not always a venue. Sometimes it's just expression.

50:47Yeah, dude. I think it's interesting you say that. Like I've been at a spot right now where like, like we had like my friend and I made a movie that we did that we made ourselves. Right. That came out and we did the whole process and we just taped a comedy special. We did like there's been some things that have just come to an end. Right. And touring. Yeah. And now and that's all finished right now. Like for like the first time in 20 years, I don't have a tour date on the books and I don't ever have to have one if I don't want to. How does that make you feel? It's a lot of things. It's been like I've had a little bit of depression.

51:20I didn't know what it was from. I think some of it was from I don't – there's not a ton to do. Like there's podcasting. Yeah. But I haven't really felt like – I don't know. I haven't felt a lot of motivation. And I don't know if some of it's because like there's just not a ton to do. I mean do you feel fulfilled? in that field? Sometimes I feel like, well, what do I like? Yeah. I think part of it is like, yeah, well, what do you, what do I want to do now? What about, did I just start stand up like 20 years ago when I've just been doing it? And like, and then now what do I want to, you know, I want to keep doing it.

51:54I do know that I want to keep doing it. I don't know if I want to get on stage like right now, but there's part of me that's like, yeah, well, what else do you want to do? What else do you, you know, I think I kind of wish that there was like a, like a family aspect of my life right now, like wife and children, but that's not there. So it's like, that's okay. It's just like, you know, you got to wait till that comes along. But I do think there's some like, um, like having patience with like not the craziest days and that's okay. And what's going to be next. And I don't know. Right. I think having patience with, I don't know is kind of tough for me.

52:29No, it's very hard. It's, I mean, it's fear of the unknown, especially when you're used to working for 20 years you're waking up day after day trying to create opportunity for yourself um whether it's a tour or whether it's filming something or producing something developing something like i can't take a vacation if i take three days off i haven't performed stand-up in two weeks i feel like i've forgotten everything i've been going crazy i'm only home for like two to three days at a time when i'm there after the second day i'm like fuck i feel like i need to be doing something when i i don't like it's okay to like take a break and just be healthy and, you know, be where your feet are at for a little bit.

53:03Yeah. I think that's, that's, that, that, that, that's the tough part for me right now a little bit. And then I think some of it's asking God, like, well, what is, you know, like, does God want me to be doing what, you know, or just like, I think, you know, I go to that place of prayer for like, yeah, where, you know, help me figure out what I, what do I want to do? Cause I'm not feeling like a ton of like, um, I just don't know. That's the thing. And so it's just kind of interesting, you know? I think it's, I think that's totally fine, man. Yeah, it's just hard to be like. It's incredibly hard, man.

53:32When you've been chasing something for so long and you feel like you've accomplished isn't the right word, but you at least got to a place of comfortability to where you don't need to be killing yourself every single day. Yeah. It's hard, man. I'm going from 100 to zero or two, you know? Yeah. It's hard to coast. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, all the little things come in like, well, am I doing enough or I'm going to fall off or these things have fallen off. And some of that's all just bullshit. It's all bullshit. it's all just whatever yeah but all those little things kind of come in and you start you you put each one on the scale of you and be like what weight does this really have and sometimes it jumps on the scale itself some of these fears or things and you don't even know it and you're under the weight of it before you realized oh i didn't even put this there this just kind of showed up how much of it is ego you know what i mean oh dude how much can i put that aside and how much is actually important to me that's the biggest thing is yeah no it's so hard how much of this is ego too and what yeah what's important what do i need and then what is my voice best how can my voice best even be used moving forward for myself and for like anything you know all that kind of stuff does that make sense to you that makes perfect sense i i can't thank you enough for even understanding what that feels like like most people just don't get that because there is a fear of slowing down for sure like i mean we and i have slowed down a ton when we were doing 40 to 50 shows a month and between like 2024 to the beginning of uh 2025 i mean six to seven shows a six to seven nights a week, two shows a night, dude.

54:59Your schedule was scary, dude. I remember we spoke one time you were having a sleeping disorder? Yeah, man, you called about that. I really appreciate that, by the way. You're having a sleeping disorder. I have horrible insomnia. Like, I literally cannot fall asleep without, like, the assistance of something. Yeah. So, what, how'd you even, I mean, I guess it's easy to figure out, but did you notice what was keeping you up? Were you drinking coffee late in the day? No, no, I don't do any caffeine at all. Like, never have, cannot do it. My brain just, like, you know when you're about to fall asleep and then there's just like the the light switch just goes off your brain's just off now you are like unconscious yeah i can't fucking flip the switch i can't do i can get so close my brain just cannot do it i'm i'm not even like thinking about things i'm not up anxious about anything i'm not worried about anything there's not anything in particular in my life that i'm worried about just can't do it and i've been to sleep doctors i've got therapists What's that?

55:53Did you go to sleep doctors? Yeah. Yeah. And they all, I mean, the problem is they all just want to, they want to just prescribe you medication, but I'm like, do I, that makes me feel even crazier. That makes, to make me feel like I have to have help to do the most basic human thing feels fucking crazy. So, I mean, I do take something that does help me get to sleep. It doesn't keep me asleep and I still don't sleep well. Um, but they, most of my doctors think it's probably just like an underlying anxiety, but I'm like, I don't want to take anxiety medication. I don't want to. Yeah. And are you feeling laying there all horny or whatever?

56:25Or are you just laying there like your brain running? I'm way past that, dude. My dick is like fucking tapped out. You're done. Oh, I'm empty, bro. Falling asleep with fucking Lego hands, dog. Oh, damn. Yeah, man. What are you saying? You never jerk off to try to fall asleep? Oh, yes, dude. Yeah. What are you talking about? Probably less than 30 hours ago I did it. We shook hands as soon as I came in here, man. Now, I have showered once since then. I mean, you ever accidentally get a wake-up nut, though, when you're trying to fall asleep? Where? That boosts the energy on accident. Like, what do you mean?

56:57Like, if you jerk off in the beginning of the day. Tell me about that. What is that wake-up nut? A wake-up nut is kind of like. Tell me about that. I imagine it's like a shot of B12. It's like getting into a cold plunge. Like, there's just something that kind of shocks your system. And you're like, okay, I'm ready to tackle the day. So you wake up and do a nut? Sometimes. It just depends on the day. You know what I mean? Ooh. Depends on the weather. Wow. Really? Yeah, man. If it's sunny out. I'm not going to jerk off in the gloom. Oh, yeah, dude. I don't know. I'm more like emo. I think I'm that dude.

57:26I'm that Tim Burton nut monkey, dude. I think I'm more like, you know, it's cloudy out. We got a 40 % chance of nut, bro. See, that feels depressing to me. Like, my dick's not going to give it its all. Dude, my dick gave up. I don't think my dick ever even wanted to be a part, me and them in a partnership. But, yeah, I agree. But on a sunny day, I'm jerking off. The Lord has blessed me with this beautiful sun And I'm going to be like oh let me show you what I can do Just add a little something to it You know what I mean I want to be walking on sunshine dog I guess you're right bro I'm trying to ride that high Yeah you're right bro there's different avenues to it for sure If you jerk off after like I don't know 7.30pm That's more of a downer I feel like That's supposed to relax you That's to close it down Yeah I think so What did they tell you Did you try a CPAP machine Do they do all that kind of stuff too?

58:19Yeah, it's not a problem like that, dude. Honestly, they can't figure out what the problem is, which drives me fucking crazy. I'm like, what am I, an anomaly? I'm like the one person in the world who has whatever problem I have with my brain doesn't seem possible. Right, like you're like a wake squats or something. A what? A wake squats. You're like Bigfoot, but it's like for somebody that won't sleep or whatever. Like if you've seen him, he doesn't sleep or whatever. I think I have whatever Michael Jackson had. Maybe I have Vitilago or something. Maybe that's keeping me up. Does that keep you up?

58:45Maybe. Dude, I just saw this thing the other day about when Michael Jackson went to Brazil. Can you bring that up? Dude, he did a lot of things that, uh, he, like, challenged the status quo. Like, he wanted to go to Brazil to the favelas to shoot. Which video was it? They Don't Care About Us right here. A song by the American singer Michael Jackson, initial release. Man, he was a beautiful Asian woman. Yeah, dude. I saw him one time when I was on stage. We used to do the, there was a comedy club in Westwood at, I can't even remember it now. It was like Steve Byrne was there all the time, Adam Hunter, like a lot of like great like comics in the L.A.

59:32scene. Dane would come in sometimes but out the window I was on stage one time and out the window next door there was an Oz costume shop A-H-H-H-S like ah and uh Onomatopoeia yeah Onomatopoeia dude and he was uh and he pulled up in a with some security guards and got out and went in there it was like after hours they let him go into the costume shop no way yeah you would open up the store for Michael Jackson I'm on stage and I see and I know he lived not far away and it was just the craziest thing I'm like oh that's Michael Jackson and I'm on stage saying, because I can see out this window on stage, and the audience can't see.

1:00:07It's from the second story. Oh, they think you're making it up. Yeah, they get, you're like, you're a f***ing, I get some guy yelled, and I'm like, whoa. Just because I saw Michael Jackson? Yeah, dude, I know. He's really there. He's not my fucking sleep paralysis demon. Yeah, dude, yeah. So people will just call you just that for anything now. Oh, I know. What are we talking about? Sleep, and then... Oh, yeah. What were some of the modalities that they, because, because I'm assuming you went pretty deep down this hole trying to figure this out. Oh, yeah. Because you had to take a break, right?

1:00:37At some point. Right? Yeah, man. I had to cancel. I had to cancel shows. You had how many doctors for it? I had like six doctors at some point. All doing different things in different categories or whatever. Like what were they? Were they taking your blood? Like what were they doing? Yeah, I did blood tests. They check all that kind of stuff. I was doing scans on my brain or whatever. Trying to measure like what parts of it don't do and don't turn off. That kind of thing. Apparently I'm normal, but I just cannot sleep, dude. It's awful. But yeah, I did have to take a couple weeks off. I passed out on the way to a show.

1:01:06And people were fucking pissed, dude. I mean, it was like an hour before the show was supposed to start. But I hadn't slept for like five days. What was going on? Were you manic? Oh, incredibly. Incredibly, dude. I mean, I'm up crying between the hours of like 4 a.m. and 9 a.m. Just because I'm like, I just want to go to sleep. I'm exhausted. And I cannot shut my brain. I'm like journaling to like my fucking dead grandfather. I'm like, hey, man, send some sleep, dog. Something. Jerking off back to journaling, jerking off back to journaling, doing everything I can. And I was heading to the show, and I nearly fainted and fell into the bushes.

1:01:42And I was like, I cannot do this show. I will not make it. I wouldn't even be able to sit down on the stool, so we had to cancel the show. I'm laying in the hospital. I'm getting death threats. And people in bars in Indiana being like, we hope Matt Wright fucking dies. And I'm like, I'm going to, dude. Yeah, people did not care. Dude, that's like Morgan Wallen just had a weather issue for his show. Oh, I saw that. But it's like, he's not a meteorologist. It's not up to him. Yeah, he's doing the best that he can, and people just, they won't cut him a break. Well, imagine, it was like strong winds or something like that, that I think they were.

1:02:17Well, he has a big set, and it's like, you know, once, if something falls, it's. Bro, a tornado touches down in the middle of a concert, and he didn't cancel it. Yeah. He's done, dude. It's, I think. People die at the concert. Yeah. It's over. He can't be on stage, you know. Guess I'm the problem. And, like, people are getting hit by lightning. Of course. You got twisters touching down. Yeah, of course. That's crazy. There's a twister just throwing people up on stage. Yeah, man. It's like people are passing by you in the air. You can't please everybody, man. He would have been. Sand in my back.

1:02:48People are just flying. People are wishing they had sand in their boots because they fucking would be anchored down better. Yeah, man. It's like cut the guy some damn slack, man. He just wants to do his best. He's fucking awesome. I had Kyle dress up as him for the AMAs. Did you really? Yeah, because they had me presenting. Kyle's here. He's sitting here with us. One of the best photographers. Yeah, he does all my videography. He does a great job. Yeah, I couldn't hire him because you had him. Well, sorry. Well, if something happens to him. You could outbid me. You're up on the block, boy. Yeah, now look.

1:03:27Look, I'm not saying I'd get one. I'd make sure I'd get a friend with them. I wanted to. They say you can't have them be alone. They're kind of like goats. We'll see about it, Kyle. They had me presenting for it, and they had me presenting in a country category, so I wanted to do some kind of bit for it. And the bit was to basically get everybody to be like, oh, my God, Morgan Wallen is here. Where was that at? This was the AMAs in Vegas. So he shaved his beard completely down. He had just the mustache, and he had this big old mullet wig with a little hat down. He looked just enough like him. The bit was supposed to be that like the camera goes to him.

1:03:58It's so obviously not Morgan Wallen and that was gonna be the bit But he looked so much like him the people were like, okay, cool Morgan Wallen's here like it completely fucking failed because he looked so much like him. Yeah, is that online? Yeah, yeah Yeah, I think I think I posted on my Instagram I'm sure and all the country pages and stuff picked it up and everything They're like, oh Matt Rive takes a dig at Morgan Wallen. I'm like, that's the complete opposite I'm saying he's definitely too fucking good to be here. He is too good to be here. He's selling out the moon dog Yeah dude that's hilarious He gets snubbed on so many of these awards I don't get it I don't think he cares about it Well I mean what does it matter You know you're the entertainer of the year Who the fuck else is doing multiple stadium shows I agree It's like wow It's just for you We were talking about ego earlier right It's just for the ego of these companies A lot of these things They want to keep this idea that Some select people get to decide who the entertainer of the year is.

1:04:56It's like, let the numbers decide. Oh, 100%. I couldn't agree more. It's like with the, they're trying to give a podcast in awards or something earlier. I think this was this year or last year. And like, do you want to be in the award? You have to pay to be, you know, your - You got pay to be in consideration? They gave you a nomination, but then you have to pay to be, to see if you'll be like one of the top five or whatever. That's so weird. And it was like, first of all - pay us to nominate you it was that was part of the edge of it right you have to pay to continue to be nominated it's like um and i can't remember who it was but it was like uh but that was part of it and then they gave the award to like i think it was amy polar's podcast which is great right she's one of the most talented um entertainers that there are but if you're not giving that award to joe rogan then what are you what are we even doing yeah it's like right he wasn't even nominated for it because he didn't self-bid himself right that's crazy but it's like if you're not giving it to him like then what are we we're just then we're playing some game of yours it's not a real thing you say you're playing algorithm in a in an award show yeah yeah so it's like i think a lot of people see through all that shit like i don't like i want give me something that's real that's fine but i don't want something that's some made i don't want to live in some made up type of thing where you decide who gets, who gets to be this thing.

1:06:19And that's why I think touring is so fucking awesome because it's totally in the hands of like your fans, right? It's, it is literally a physical, it's a, it's a physical, um, what's what I'm looking for? Fuck. It's, um, it's proving that you have a connection with the people, right? Like those people are paying to come see you. That's harder money that they saved up. they got a babysitter, this is their anniversary, whatever it is. Those people are coming to see that, like that success speaks for itself. If you can move people to come see you in real life, what does it matter what eight people voted in the middle of Hollywood or Nashville or whatever it is?

1:06:54Yeah, I agree, dude. Like that's the true success, I think. Just let it be what it is, you know? Why, you know, I don't know. I think I also have like a, I get some angst towards some of that Hollywood stuff. So I think I get it. I have a little bit of a chip on my shoulder about some of it. and I don't even know why all the time. Let's show this clip, though, right here. And, yeah, dude, Morgan could literally go back in time before people even knew him, and people were like, I heard he's good, you know? A hundred percent. He could go to, like, 40 years ago, and people would somehow be like, yeah, I heard that guy's good.

1:07:29Yeah, man. Bro, look at this right here, dude. Is this AI? You get accused of being AI a lot? All the time. All the time. I'm so AI. Bro, you are AI. Yeah, I'm in Rhode Island right now. what the heck? I never even realized it, dude. Dude, you're like my fucking hot lesbian aunt that's AI, dude. You have a hot lesbian aunt? Yeah. I'll turn her out, dog. Let's fucking go. I don't know. You guys look too similar, though. Let me show this award show part. I think we can all agree that the current state of country music, some pretty good hands, right? I mean, just tonight alone, we've seen Riley Green.

1:08:10Keith Urban. and actually making his very first AMA appearance, Morgan Wallen is here.

1:08:20That's crazy, dude. Morgan Fallen, dog. He's my little off-brand. That's crazy. Yeah, man. That's hilarious, bro. Yeah, we realized he looked like this when he accidentally shaved his beard in Europe one time. We were fucking tearing him apart. I called him Fael Earnhardt. You did? Yeah. You accidentally shaved yours, Kyle? Yeah That's hilarious He nicked a little piece of it And then shaved the whole thing off We were like I had to fire him for like three weeks I was like I can't be around you right now You got a vulnerable neck That's Oh yeah dude That's crazy bro Dude that's funny bro Yeah it was a decent bit But then almost everybody When I got home We were like Oh no we actually thought It was Morgan Wallen I was like Well that wasn't supposed to be the bit Literally at all It's pretty I mean he's wearing my tour He's wearing my tour Cut off jean jacket A red clay strage hat People can't see that good, dude I'll say this You had a couple too many wiener pills Your vision gets bad A lot of people thought he was Paul Rudd A lot of people were saying it

1:09:25Voila! Am I able to get one more? Yeah, let's get another water Can we get one? Thank you so much Hey, we got that Michael Jackson thing here I think I found it Okay, um, oh yeah, this looks like it, let me see. In 1996, Michael Jackson shot a music video in Rio de Janeiro favelas. The world didn't know that this historic shoot was only possible thanks to the approval of a drug trafficker. Um, that's awesome. Yeah, the government said it was too unsafe for him to come, but he wanted to come and be around the people. Let me see. Rio de Janeiro, 1996, Spike Lee's camera pans across the hills of Dona Marta, a favela clinging to the city's slopes.

1:10:06Michael Jackson has come to shoot his video but the setting of Far Cry from Hollywood Studios is no ordinary set the governor of Rio is against it the police refuse to set foot in Dona Marta and yet the cameras roll that had to be pretty brave bro yeah man I mean to be that loved did it say that they looked out for him? I would imagine so so when Michael Jackson arrives in Rio to shoot in a favela it's not the mayor or the governor who has the final say it's Marcino VP the man hunted by police is also the one who ensures the king of pop safety. So he was the head of one of the most powerful criminal factions in the city.

1:10:45Charismatic and ruthless, Marchino had established himself in a world where hierarchy is carved out, carved in fear and cemented by weapons. What set him apart from other hillbosses was a strange intellectual depth, almost unsettling for a man at war with the established order. It's just pretty wild that he went and shot that there. It feels like he could have did it in Burbank. Yeah, it does. But I think he, why did we even start talking about this? Do you remember? Not a clue. Oh, I just mentioned that I was wondering what my sleep problems were. I had the same thing that Michael Jackson has.

1:11:17You said, hold on a second. And we went on a 15 minute loop. Go back a little bit. The tense shoot. I just didn't want to see that part. The governor of Rio is staunchly opposed. Brazil is still dreaming of hosting the 2004 Olympics. There's no way they'll let the world see what's hidden behind the postcard beaches To show the poverty, the drugs, the bullet-ridden walls It would be bad PR Jesus He went and shot it there anyway That's so gangster He did stuff like that, dude The deal is clear No money, change his hands No one to the table bribes Just an agreement Wow That's awesome Yeah, just kind of wow, look at that, dude Just to show up there, be that close To people just who like would never have access to you.

1:12:04You know what I mean? Right. Would never have access to you. And also there's probably, you know, you get in some dangerous neighborhoods, it's dangerous. Yeah, but I mean, it sounds like the people he's getting approval from are like, nobody's going to fuck with you. We would be the people to fuck with you. Right. Nobody's going to fuck with you. That's the thing. That's awesome. That's awesome, bro. That's what I'm talking about. That's the people you, like, if you're with the people, you're with the people. Mm-hmm. You know? It doesn't matter what these other like little, you know, fancy people say about this or that.

1:12:31I don't care, you know, say this guy is the number one award winner, this guy is this, or whatever, you know? The truth is the truth. 100%. It's no replacement for real life. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, I feel kind of, I don't know why I feel kind of animated about that. I like it. It's passion. Take me on a little bit more of, so you bought this, Ed and Lorraine's house. Take me on the house that you bought and what you guys have done with it. I know there was like articles going around that you guys were doing like you guys had turned it into a haunted Airbnb where people could go and stay. It is essentially that.

1:13:06Yeah, we we we were approached by by Edna Rain Warren's family that they were going to sell the house. And we were the first people that they wanted to offer it to. And obviously we were fucking psyched about it. I mean, we have so much respect and love for their family and what they mean to the paranormal community. so I mean to get to be a part of arguably the most prominent piece of paranormal history on earth being the Annabelle doll in the Warren's house is fucking awesome dude and we got the house like as is like we have all their old clothes all their old tape recordings I mean there's like there's hundreds and hundreds of old recordings and letters from cases that never got turned into movies and TV shows and stuff like that and it's so cool man I mean the house itself museum aside is fucking terrifyingly haunted, but there's like such a warmth to it.

1:13:59Like regardless of what they did and who they were and what they were around all the time, like it still feels like such a cozy family home. So we've opened that up to the public to be able to be stayed in as an Airbnb and it's attached to the museum, which holds, oh God, I think it's something like 700 artifacts or something like that in the museum as well as the Annabelle doll. And take me through like just a brief synopsis of the family and the Annabelle doll for people that don't know? I mean, Ed and Lorraine were the most famous ghost hunters pretty much in the history of it. I mean, they helped, I mean, I guess documented, I'm going to say a few hundred families.

1:14:38And they were spousal? They were married? Yeah, absolutely. Dude, that... Yeah, she was a psychic medium and Ed was an author and they put out a lot of good books and they helped a lot of fucking people. And they're, I mean, they are the family behind like the largest scary movie franchises in the world between Annabelle doll, the Conjury movies, Amityville horror, all that good stuff. And how they help a lot of people. You said they helped a lot of people. Well, I mean, a lot of people dealt with like possessions and haunted homes and a lot of haunted objects and everything. And they would go to help these families with either casting out the spirits via exorcisms.

1:15:13Sometimes it was taking an item like the Annabelle doll off of the family's hands and putting it in a more secure place, stuff like that. So you have the Annabelle doll now? Yeah. it's pretty crazy bro it's a pretty white thing to own yeah that is huh yeah i mean i do you believe in ghosts yeah i believe in ghosts but i get scared about it because it's like you know if you go summon ghosts if you summon like if you look at it as like the devil i think there's different ways to look at it if you look at it as like a spiritual thing like maybe something that's in between here and there um but if you look at it as like satanic you're trying to summon Satan and that stuff is a little scary to me.

1:15:53Oh yeah, I don't fuck with that stuff at all. Regardless of like there being a demon literally attached to that doll, like I don't fuck with it. I'm not hanging out with the doll. That was the crazy thing. People, I mean that's a very passionate community and it's one that I respect and I'm happy to be a part of. But people thought I was like because I'm a comedian that I was going to like disrespect this doll. They thought I was going to turn this house into a fucking frat house and Annabelle was just going to be crowd surfing like a stretched out blow up doll. Oh yeah, I could see that dude.

1:16:15People always want to like think about stuff like that. Did you do anything cool with Annabelle? Like were you guys able to even like have her like bring her out to have like a tea or something no god no we would never let her out of that box ever we've only had to move the box a couple of times and i even i don't fucking touch that really i let elton and we have uh we have a couple of priests that help with that really oh yeah i'm terrified of it wow yeah i'm never there by the way like i'm not at that people thought i was living at the house with annabelle i'm fucking never there you're not no i check on Annabelle, like I look for racism on Twitter.

1:16:47I'm like, good. It's still there. If it's going to exist, it might as well be like contained. You know what I mean? Nowhere to find it. Wow, bro. It's pretty, it's pretty awesome, man. It's so fascinating to me. Do you feel like, do you want to create more stuff around like horror genre? Like, is that something you start to feel like? Cause you said you're kind of at this space where it's like, you're kind of thinking, well, yeah, what else is possible and what else, what I like to do and what direction yeah absolutely i mean on the entertainment side of things like i would love to develop some kind of like a horror project whether it be a tv show or a film or something like that but i mean we're also even uh expanding in that space like we're we're moving um the museum and expanding it to a location in salem um salem massachusetts this i think it's gonna be this september or august that it's gonna open up um so i mean there's a couple other uh properties that we could potentially be buying as well.

1:17:41So, I mean, I'm so fascinated by it. Like, it is so new to me that I think it's very exciting. It's cool just to learn about it. And this creates a lot of opportunity for people to educate themselves on that world. People are fascinated by it, but they don't know a lot about it. So this is kind of like firsthand experience. Have you had like a supernatural experience of your own? Oh, yeah, dude. Of all the investigations and stuff we've done, I mean, I've seen and heard so many things that, like, I couldn't possibly explain. I mean, I've heard my name be said. I like EVPs, which is like the voice recordings the most.

1:18:13To me, that's the most fascinating because it's audible. It sounds tangible. You're getting a direct response to a question you ask. To me, that feels so undeniable. I'm in the room. I know who else is in here. I know this hasn't been tampered with in any kind of way. To me, that feels so as close to undeniable as possible. Was there someone you were trying to talk to? I'm trying to think of the most prominent one. we were in I think this was Mansfield Reformatory in Ohio I believe shout out Mansfield shout out Mansfield that's what actually they filmed Shawshank Redemption yeah it's a really really cool space we were in what used to be the old library we were asking like what did this room used to be here clear as day library yeah it's fucking terrifying we were doing some in Lorraine Warren's house in the tunnel that goes from the house to the museum, our friend was in there asking, like, you know, do you mean us harm?

1:19:10And you hear, if possible. It's crazy shit like that. But it's still so fascinating to me. I'm passionate about it because on a spiritual level, it helps kind of reassure me that there is something else. You know what I mean? Like, when my grandpa passed away, I had like this really big moment of like, okay, there can't just be this. There has to be something out there. There's no way I won't ever see this person again. So the fact that I can go communicate with, like, other what I assume are people or spirits of people, to me that brings me, like, a little bit of warmth knowing that, like, you know, maybe I will see that person again and maybe, you know, maybe everybody gets to see their loved ones again.

1:19:50Yeah. Yeah, was that – did your grandpa pass away recently or no? It was – I think it's going on three years this October, maybe four – three years. Oh, man, I'm sorry to hear that. Oh, it's all right. I appreciate that. Matt Tamar, he's so young. yeah man he was only 67 I know I know did he get pretty sick yeah man he had cancer but it was like they found out of nowhere his dogs pulled him on his leash and like pulled something in his like abdominal slash like rib cage a little bit and it was hurting him for a while and it got worse and he started coughing a lot more and everything and eventually he went to the doctor and they were they did a whole scan of everything and they were like dude you've got stage four cancer like like lungs black yeah so it was um he was he was perfectly healthy like five months before he passed dang i know was that scary like were you guys really close yeah that was definitely um that was definitely like my best friend that's that was like my father figure growing up and everything it was yeah yeah definitely i spent every weekend of my childhood with him every single weekend yeah i definitely wouldn't have got into comedy if it wasn't for him Dude yeah It almost looks like Your daddy's so young Yeah Gee that's It looked like a Zika baby Let's go I had a dome on him Bro BLM dude I know That's what's up Yeah he fucking He loved comedy He's the one that used to Take me like the open mics When I was like 15 And he would pay like The$5 a head To like show Like bring your show shit He would like buy Five tickets Would he go perform No god no No but he fucking Loved watching me Did he get you into it You mean like physically Or like Why did he He took you over there Because he knew you Wanted to do it yeah yeah like he thought I was funny like we would but we would fucking kill each other laugh every weekend my entire childhood um so it was really cool he got to see me he got to see me sell out a comedy club I think it was the Cincinnati Liberty Funny Bone yeah before he passed which I think is the hardest part it's like you kind of like what we were talking about with Ralphie earlier it's like if there was one person I wanted to share all of this with it would have been him so I feel like he doesn't get to see this kind of sucks he's out there Steve, that's his name?

1:22:01Yeah, Steve. What's up, Steve? Shout out, big Steve, my guy. Oh, dude, he fucking loved Ralphie, too. Did he? Oh, yeah. Oh, dude, that's so cool, bro. He can hear us. I feel him right now. Steve's milling around, bro, with his 97 different haircuts. That dude's milling around. Bro, that was like the shortest his hair ever was. He used to grow it down to like his butt crack, dude. Fuck yeah. Total hippie hair, man. Dude, a lot of people named Rick have ponytails. You notice that? mostly ricks and steves i would argue yeah yeah dude yeah my ponytail is a rick and steve it's a power move dog yeah bro yeah i'll still like i'll pray to him before every show and everything just being like hope you hope you enjoy it in case you're watching amen bro that's awesome dude thank you that's quality stuff i appreciate that um i'm gonna pivot a little bit some of your comedy specials your first few came out on youtube right yeah yeah i put out the first two and then I did a crowd work one on YouTube as well.

1:23:02And then did you do one on a streaming platform now? Then it was Netflix, yeah. I did Natural Selection for Netflix. Did you feel any difference? Because one is more, it feels like it's more for the people. Did you feel any difference between doing some that way and doing one for Netflix? You do a special for Netflix for self-validation. To be like, I made it to what is supposed to be the pinnacle platform for comedy. but I think the difference was the YouTube stuff I did entirely like by myself like it was just my friends helping me like I directed the first one that I'd got Eric Griffin to to direct the second one and even the crowd work one which was like a totally experimental thing I literally did it with me and uh and my buddy Elton actually ran camera by himself it was me and one person did an entire crowd work special so I mean it was exhausting but it was super super fulfilling to like have a hand in a little bit of every piece of the creative for that.

1:23:56So I mean, I think it was different in, uh, in that sense. Also the, um, the, the reach of viewership I think is different for YouTube and Netflix is not everybody has Netflix. Not everybody likes Netflix and you got to have a subscription to it versus YouTube. It's so easy to share. Like I can text you a link. You could watch it right now. And then you could text that link to 10 other people. So I think you actually reach, you have a potential to reach more viewers on YouTube than you might on Netflix. yeah so I guess it's again like what does it mean to you right yeah it's interesting dude because yeah I got I'll do I got one that's coming up but I think about like yeah what I like to do it on Netflix yeah okay and we're just I'm looking at a cut of it later today but it's like what I like to maybe do one in the future that would be maybe just for YouTube yeah that'd be more just for like you know I do it myself completely you know I don't know I just think about that sometimes and what that's like oh no I battle with it all the time I'm doing my next special at it'll be towards the end of the year.

1:24:52I can't really say when yet, but I don't, I don't know what I'm going to do with it just yet. I'm not a hundred percent sure. There's different pros and cons, obviously. Yeah. And you're at a place right now where you can kind of do what you can do what you choose. Yeah, absolutely. Which is pretty nice. Yeah. Just trying to figure out what fits best. You got kind of like, like pinned with like being the crowd work, like your crowd work started to kind of like take clips and make it so that a lot of people were doing crowd work. Do you feel like that that's kind of a true statement? Yeah, I would say so.

1:25:19I mean, I definitely wasn't like the first one to do it. Like, Like Schultz was a big inspiration for me doing that. Like his crowd works fucking, he's amazing at that. Yeah, he's so good at it. He was doing this thing that even made me want to start doing any of my YouTube specials where he was doing like a new minute every single week. Like he would post a new clip every single, that's 52 minutes of material throughout the year. It was genius. And he would sprinkle crowd working with that as well. And I was just like, holy shit, I see the importance of content in the standup market, which I don't think anybody had really been paying attention to.

1:25:49Like you put out specials, but that's what once every year, maybe once every two years. But we weren't like comedians weren't being in people's faces all day. Like you weren't prominent on a platform and people kind of couldn't avoid you, which I think is prominent for the for the algorithm. Well, especially if you don't have if you're not if you don't have a regular podcast, like the podcasting you do because you just have clips. Right. Of course. But if not, yeah, it's hard to find like what is that thing without doing a sketch or like planning this big thing. And that's why I like doing the bit of crowd work that I do in my show because it's new and refreshing, right?

1:26:21I'm not doing the same stories and jokes night after night after night that you have to deliver like it's your first time ever saying it. This is something so new and spontaneous that I can post online. It's not burning any of my material. Yeah, dude. I saw the one where you saw one of your teachers. Was that one of yours? My teacher. Did you have a teacher that came? No, I think that was Trevor Wallace. Oh, that was Trevor Wallace. I think his teacher came. Sorry, dude. It's okay. It's fine. Wrap this up? Yeah. I'm fucking with you, man. I was like, yeah, we can. I'm just kidding, man. No, that's okay, dude.

1:26:51Sorry, dude. Fucking Trevor, dude. No, I'm not going anywhere, man. Trevor impersonated you, though, I think. It felt like he was trying to steal your shit. No, no. I'm just joking. I'm just fucking joking with Trevor. He would never do that. He's the nicest guy. I love him. He's very, very nice. I don't know if there's... He is so nice, dude. But did it ever feel like then you had to be the crowd? work like you had to do that yeah there's a little bit of that it's kind of you know i talked to adam ray about this recently too because you know he's gotten so prominent with like his characters that he does with like dr phil and biden and everything i stepped into that and done it's unbelievable genius by the way to find that's it's such a specific lane that nobody else has been doing nobody um i asked him i was like do you find people coming to your show and like just wanting the characters and he was like all the time like sometimes i'll be in the middle of a story and somebody be like do crowd work and i'm like i'm gonna fucking get to it if i feel like it okay It's not, that's not all this is.

1:27:46Like I'm a goddamn jukebox. Yeah. It's crazy, man. But I mean, I do it because I enjoy it, you know? Yeah. That's like when I was in, like, when I was like doing those wiener pills, it's like, get an erection. And you're like, I'm trying, man. Give me a few minutes. Yeah. Let me warm them up a little bit. Yeah, dude. Let me nibble off a freaking chunk of my roommate's wiener pill at an angle so he won't notice it's missing, you freak. there are only freaking five milligrams tablets do you do you ever when you're touring like do you ever do any crowd work at all i do some of it more often now and i really like it it's just fun it's just something silly and spontaneous it gets a bad rap for people being like oh you're just doing it because like you don't have the material that's such a hack response to have to it like that's it by what means does that mean that yeah yeah dude yeah like i was shooting this thing in lexington a few weeks ago and somebody yelled out aids right in the middle the show and it was just like it's a woman too jesus and usually age is more of a guy's thing or whatever i guess so then what are you gonna not acknowledge it i know dude i was like oh that's how bad things have gotten it's like people just yelling aids out dude that's the other hard thing as well is like uh venue wise now the smaller venue i do the more people yell out because they want to be the person that like gets talked to like they want to be the next clip i'm like it doesn't work like that it's usually the least assuming person you talk to is probably like you're gonna get the best shit out of it it's not like the like the pick me yeah person in the back that's true dude it's always like that a comedy club is like so intimate we're all kind of feel like we're hanging out that in like a living room to where it's nobody really wants to be like the dickhead to interrupts like that's kind of perfect and an arena is so big that like you i think they assume they you can't hear them so they're not gonna waste yelling out like anywhere in the middle ground like a theater people are like i know he'll fucking hear me yeah we yell some wild shit yeah dude i think it's like there is this weird thing where you yell because you kind of want to be heard but you do not want to be called on there's some of that energy too for some people oh of course like you want to be a part of it but you don't want to be a part of i love the person i love like the like the wife brought her husband and the husband didn't want to sit up front he's like what if what if he talks to me and the wife's like it's not all about you ron you know what i mean and then you end up talking to that guy he's like this is my fucking worst nightmare the wife's loving it i love that dynamic has it ever backfired like take me on one that backfired was there have there been one that backfired like because you because when you open it up to the crowd that's another thing suddenly 40 people or they want to have a you know they want to offer a suggestion it's very hard to direct a room full of people who are like okay now it's my turn i mean that mean that does happen quite often i mean usually i'm pretty good at shutting it down and everybody can kind of be cordial but it happens but you also get duds you know what i mean like you fucking you interview people you know what it's like to talk to somebody who you can't hold a conversation with so i mean that happens all the time i'm not gonna post that clip obviously so yeah it's not magic every time but when you do get it it's such a fun feeling to have that moment right then right there with people yeah dude one time there was a guy in his wife he had a wife or girlfriend whoever it was had the craziest like um like tits right i hope you couldn't think of tits okay and they well they were so crazy i couldn't even it was hard to categorize them they were so in some onomatopoeias just yeah just he's just boom uh-huh bang you know just like some real just onomatopoeias okay okay just like some damn fucking just some milk tonsils you know just some like l5s none like you have no cartilage left from holding those up they were just yeah they where you could just feel like one of, you could feel one of her vertebrae having trouble.

1:31:26God damn. Yeah, you could feel it, dude. Them Hindenburgs. Yeah, yeah. She had them damn blimps and front blimps. Front blimps. So anyway, dude, but they were craziest looking tits. And the guy's like, I said, oh, what do you do? He's like, you know, stock vending machines, you know? And I was like, and what do you guys put in him? And he's like, muscle milk, you know? God damn. And he says muscle milk, but then you see where you think he's getting the milk from. His wife's just sitting there all quiet with the craziest tits. Oh, yeah. Acting like she doesn't have crazy tits or whatever. And she was wearing a little bitty hat.

1:32:01You ever see somebody who, like, pins a hat on their hair and acts like it's a real hat? Is it a brooch? Yeah. Of course. Yeah. It's a fucking brooch. It's a little, it's like Toy Story hat. Yeah. Like, bitch, what are we talking about? And did you address them? Did you address the titties? Yeah. I said, well, now I said, well, where are you guys getting the milk from, right? and that was just and dude there was nothing else through the rest of the night that was like there's just something about that thing that's in the moment and it was just simple there was nothing I really had to do of course it was just like sometimes it just presents itself bro I was in Philly yeah this was in Philly and there's a guy sitting front row he's got like these like slack pants on and just had the most amount of dick sitting in the front of his pants like a conglomerate Yeah, man.

1:32:49Like a seven-dick pileup right in his own pants? He melted eight or nine dicks on his dick. Oh, wow. It was so prominent. It stopped me in the middle of a story, and I was like, I took the camera off the cameraman's shoulder, zoomed in on it. It looked like he shit the front of his pants. It was so much dick. It honestly ruined my night. I was upset. I was insecure for the next 45 minutes. Yeah, dude. Oh, when somebody shows up with that stepdad cock or whatever. Stepdad cock is such a real thing. As somebody who had a stepdad, it's such a real thing. I was so mad I wasn't his. Oh, yeah. For a few years, man.

1:33:23I'd have been afraid to come out of that thing, though. That stepdad cocked. You can't. That's why he doesn't have any kids, bro. A kid wouldn't make it out of that thing, brother. Oh, this is it right here. Biggest dick ever. Is this a video of it? It's probably a video, yeah. And put your fucking dick away. Put your dick away. I know. Cameraman, don't zoom in. You don't have to. I can fucking see it dude, he's smuggling unbelievable The cameraman just like wouldn't get the shot of it and I was like hold on Why wouldn't he? I don't know sometimes they're like three inches away from somebody's face and I'm like get out of there, you have a zoom Hold on it's tangled up in his dick Hold on a second, hold on Look at this fucking thing You're moving the camera Wow Look at that thing man Big bro got that front yard dog bro Remember an alien when it's coming out of her fucking stomach?

1:34:15Yeah That's what it looks like. Wow. Yeah. That's a lot, man. Turtleneck dick is just a different confidence. And he's wearing a turtleneck, too? Yeah. No. Yeah, man. He knows what's up. That's insane. That's Christmas dick. Christmas dick. If you weren't a turtleneck. A holiday hog. Tight pants, brother? Yeah. He knew. That's not comfortable. There's no way. Oh, no. That's all tight, brother. I'm so glad my dick isn't that big. Yeah. So glad about it. Yeah. Same, same. But yeah, man, you get some weird stuff like that. What about, are you married? You're not married. No. No. Single. Okay. And do you start thinking about getting married or anything like that?

1:35:02Or do you even think about that kind of stuff? Or like, does your mom bug you about that? What's your mom doing in your life these days? Because she was giving you a hard time about working for Ralphie. What is, does she still have that managerial energy? or now she kind of trusts where you're at? No, she's so happy with where I'm at, dude. I just got her her second house. What? Yeah, the first woman just wasn't working out. She was like by herself in the middle of nowhere, Georgia. And she's like, nobody comes and visits. I'm like, no shit. You live in the middle of nowhere. So I moved her out to Colorado where my sister lives.

1:35:32Now she's there with her grandkids and stuff. My little sister's got kids. Oh, your sister has a couple kids? Yeah, she's got two daughters. Oh, that's your mom right there? What's her name? April. April. What's up, April? You know what's so funny? If you look at mom, Christina from Iowa is on the top thing. She's actually more prominent than my own mom in most of these. Really? That's her right in the middle? Christina? Top right corner, the blonde hair. And who was that? No, no, no, no. That was, God, arguably probably the most famous crowd work thing was she's like this really hot mom, actually grandma, who lives in Iowa.

1:36:06And I met her on stage. She gave me like these cookies and this like really sexual shirt and everything. And bro, I was like 10 minutes into the show when this happened. I did like an hour and 20 minutes just talking to her and it was crazy crazy good time the entire time like we were great chemistry great banter the crowd was fucking loving it but at the time you can only post a 10 minute clip online on like Instagram and stuff so I had to edit it all down to that like the whole show was that which never happens by the way like that sounds like I didn't have material ready for the show but like it was just such a really cool in the moment thing and what stupid about it's got over like I'm sure collectively over a couple hundred million views Dang Yeah Really?

1:36:43Yeah it's awesome No way She's awesome Dude that's the best Where in Iowa was that at? Des Moines The funny bone there Yeah Yeah I mean sometimes crowd work is It's different every time That's the fun You don't know if you're going to talk to You know Super hot mom Or Biggest dick you've ever seen Or somebody You know Somebody all crumpled up in the corner You don't know Yeah it is kind of great Oh there she is right there Yeah Yeah it is great dude With crowd work There's something really special about it It's just real and in the moment You know How do you get the, um, how do you get your cameraman now is you have a special cameraman who's, who's like, opting right there.

1:37:19Kyle. He gets all of it. You do it all, Kyle? Mm-hmm. What the heck? He does all the crowd work stuff. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Then we do a little collaborative editing system together. Yeah, he shoots all of it. This is, man, the comedy clubs, that feels like a lifetime ago. This is probably three and a half years ago, maybe, something like that. Wow. Maybe. That feels like a different lifetime ago. Are you off tour right now? Are you going back out? Is there any new places that you're going that you're a little bit like? New places this year? Not a map. Like new countries? We just got back from Europe, which was really awesome.

1:37:51We did England. We went to Romania. Romania was fucking awesome. Dude, my friend just, you're the second guest in a row that's talking about Romania. Really? My friend just quit playing basketball. My friend Patrick was playing basketball over there. What? Yeah. He's white? White guy, yeah. Okay, yeah. Can I tell him the story? Okay, so we have like five weeks in Europe straight. This is night one of us landing in Romania of the whole trip. Night one. Five weeks is a long time. It's a very long time. Night one, we're like, oh, we're going to go out and have some drinks. It's Friday night. We'll see what Romania is about.

1:38:25Kyle gets roofied and robbed the first night on tour. How do you know you got roofied, Kyle? I woke up in an ambulance 50 minutes away from the hotel at 930 in the morning. My chain was gone, my camera was gone And they sent three grand on my debit card Yeah, he couldn't remember They had to carry him through the lobby and everything He was fucked up, dude It was pretty funny Night one, dude We got back to the hotel at probably like 4am or something like that And we were like, hold on, Kyle wasn't with us I checked the location on my phone He's still at the bar We thought he had left earlier So I'm texting with him, I'm like, yo, do you want Jackson and I to come You know Jackson McQueen oh yeah he's so he's so funny he's hilarious um i was like do you want jackson out of we'll come come back and get you right now and he goes no it's all good i'm heading i'm heading back to the hotel right now i was like are you sure he goes yeah i'm heading back to the hotel go to sleep i wake up at 9 30 in the morning my phone's ringing off the hook and i'm like fucking what they're like yeah kyle's in the back of an ambulance right now it's like no fucking way you communicate with him kyle no i could barely open one of my eyes and i was i knew I got beaten up by strippers.

1:39:33I remember that. That's all I remember. Do you have a grill in right now? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's interesting. Bro, we're sitting in the van day one after his recovery and it's all quiet and we're trying to ask him a little things about it. We're trying to give him some space and he just goes, I think those strippers were mean to me. It was so somber. We're like, what? He goes, yeah, I think they pushed me down a lot. Oh, damn, bro. It was one of the meanest things I've ever heard. That's wild to say that specifically. I think they pushed me down. It was heartbreaking. yeah and all you got was that grill um the worst part is dude and just the bottoms not taking the grill is hilarious I'm gonna leave them something but dude uh you did a show in Romania yeah Romania was awesome we did two shows there it was so cool I guess comedy is like a new growing thing that's like people are starting to go and perform a lot more if you get an opportunity they were a fucking awesome crowd I would love to go back and do they speak is there enough English spoken there yeah absolutely everybody there speaks English for the most part Oh yeah Dracula's Castle Is it close to Estonia I wonder Mmm I mean close-ish I think Estonia is a little bit further north I think Cause we had Ari Madian he's Estonian Yeah dude Ari's the best He's a tornado Of comedy dude Europe crowds are fucking awesome man I love performing overseas A thousand miles apart Oh yeah good time dude Sweden was awesome Oslo was really cool I love performing in England And the crowds are so much fun Oh dude yeah We had some good We did some good spots over there Ireland I got it Ireland's the best show of the tour Every time I go there They're fucking great Scotland was amazing Scotland You can't crowd work in Scotland though dude Good people Yeah why not You can't fucking understand them Oh yeah Dude I'll say something They'll say something back And I don't understand it And the crowd is like They're fucking cooking me dude And I have no idea with what they're saying Yeah it's legendary over there.

1:41:29What's up? What's up? What's in the news, dude? Anything in the news that we wanted to look at? Oh, yeah. Anything good to talk about? Oh, what do you think about these data centers and stuff? Do you think about that kind of stuff? Because that's kind of crazy. Bro, I just had to help stop them from putting in one in Rhode Island where I'm at. Yeah, they had to have a whole town hall meeting and everything like that. You went to it? I couldn't go, but my friend went and spoke on my behalf, which was very nice. She was very passionate about it, and she had my approval. I couldn't agree with her more.

1:41:57It's so peaceful out there. It's just fucking up what we have, man. I mean, I don't know too much about them. I'm not even going to pretend like I do. Yeah, for sure. But the one thing, the most prominent thing that stood out to me, because it wasn't going to be that far from my house, was there was going to be like a nonstop humming coming from the building. I was like, I don't want that. I love that I can hear birds outside, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, especially, yeah, like something just humming in the distance, dude. Yeah. New York passes data center moratorium and consumer protections as environmental and housing proposals stall.

1:42:31So what data is going into these things? Why do the data centers need to be so big? Do we have anything about that? This is perplexity. Data centers are built for continuous operation. Power cooling and network paths are duplicated so a failure of maintenance event doesn't drop. Workloads, having parallel systems and physically separated paths. Well, my thing is just this. It's like, so we're already keeping a lot of data, right? Like our phones, we record stuff all the time. It's on the cloud. The amount of data that they must want to store now must be astronomical compared to what we're doing.

1:43:13So that's what I don't understand. Unless we're going to go into like a surveillance state, right? Which is, that's what it feels like a lot of times. It feels like they already are. Right. Because then they're going to have to record it around the clock everywhere, everything. Yeah. And they're just going to put these storage places and random places around the country. That's so strange to me. Yeah. Aaron Brockovich, I know he was just talking about it. I want to get someone on to talk about some of those data centers just to learn a little bit more about it and what's going to be going on. Yeah, let's see what this says right here.

1:43:45This is tech billionaire Oracle CEO Larry Ellison confesses a dystopian AI mass surveillance network. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on. And it's unimpeachable. The cars have cameras on them. I think we have a squad car here someplace. But those kind of applications, using AI, if we can use AI, and we're using AI to monitor the video. So if that altercation had occurred in Memphis, the chief of police would be immediately notified. It's not people that are looking at those cameras. It's AI that's looking at the camera.

1:44:26No, no, no. You can't do this. It would be like a shooting. That's going to be immediately, that's going to be an event that's immediately, an alarm is going to go off. And we're going to have supervision. In other words, every police officer is going to be supervised. It's going to be wild. What the fuck, man? I mean, play that beginning part again. Play the first 20 seconds. What does he say this one part? citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on um and it's because we are constantly reporting it sounds like they're like like they're going to be reporting to him you're gonna that's the thing it's so fucking weird dude i mean do we have to be watched all the time i don't know how we can stop it now that's the scary part why do we need it i i mean i understand they're pushing the agenda of safety, but like we have to, how much safer is it going to get?

1:45:26Is it just going to be for accountability? You think? I think that's, it's like, and also there'll be a level of control there because yeah, I would say so. Yeah. If you don't do certain things, then you're entering this space. Well, you didn't, you didn't do things the right, the perfect way, this exact way. Yeah. So then what are the repercussions of that? It's fucking weird, dude. I don't even want to live in this time, to be honest. I know. It feels just kind of like... It's too futuristic. It's too invasive. When would you have liked to have been alive? If you could pick a couple of decades to have been like...

1:46:01Oh. Prime you. I think probably born in... Because I think you... But part of you does, I feel like, want to kind of know... It's weird. You want to know how it... you want to be a part of the world in the sense you want to like you you hope that the world ends well because otherwise you feel like what's the point i think that starts to happen yeah you for me anyway i'm like you want to i feel like for past generations i better feel like let's leave it better we're all building towards something and then now suddenly i feel like we're all standing in a cul-de-sac and we're like what the fuck are we building towards anymore our grandparents are like doing OnlyFans now they're like we're checked out we don't care it doesn't even matter like everybody I do feel that way some of that energy is like what are we doing I don't know what it looks like a generation after this one you know I have no idea what that looks like I think I would have I would have liked to have been born maybe in like 60 1960 grow up in the 70s and then you're a young adult in the 80s and the music culture alone for that would have been fucking awesome it's great for film everything was magical I've heard good things yeah everything was magical and then you get to see how dystopian it's getting and be like yeah I'm glad I'm glad I'm leaving dude I feel so weird being like the last generation of people who wasn't like chronically online like I didn't this isn't young for some people but like I didn't get a cell phone until I was like I think I was almost 15 something like that I still got the childhood of like I got the privilege of boredom I think that's good for your brain to be a kid And have nothing to do And have to figure it out How to entertain yourself Go make up a game, go play pretend Go walk around and go throw something through somebody's window Yeah, go break some shit I think that's good for you Your mom came home and you're like, you got arrested You're like, yeah, I don't know What else was I supposed to do?

1:48:03I threw someone's window I didn't know it would break You just didn't know anything And I think it makes you a better person. Oh, dude. So now... Wandering around, just bored, hoping something would happen. A car drove by you, just watching it go by. Just watching it, dude. Laying on your floor, hoping your mom wouldn't come home soon, but also hoping your mom would come home soon. Just so somebody's around. Just to hear some racket. Yeah. I think that's good for you, man. That's gone. People will never have that again. Taking a thousand naps. if anybody came to the door you would go talk to them even if it was like a you know like a registered sex or whatever you keep the chain on to keep them out but you still at least talk to them cause it was somebody to talk to of course and they were charming you know yeah they were good at what they did remember having to like ride your bike across town to see if your friend was home and they weren't and you just had to go back across town you biked miles across grass.

1:49:07Dude, it was... Yeah. Oh, yeah, you'd find a new way to go. What is this video right here? Well, watch this and we'll get you out of here, man. I know you got a show tonight. You heard about these flock cameras popping up? I have heard about these flock cameras. What is this? These are like some of the early... Cameras are going up everywhere. Mass surveillance, public safety. They are linked to the new AI data centers. Let's play it. You won't believe the stickers I found. Somebody is putting these buggers up on every Flock camera in town. Not enough people know that these are not just license plate readers.

1:49:40These Flock cameras build profiles on individuals that are walking by and in vehicles. They use things like gender, clothing, behavior, and even biometrics to build profiles on you for their Nova platform. Even integrating social media profiles, email data, and places that you go. and Phlox data feeds directly into Palantir's Gotham, which already powers ICE deportation. What if this is GTA 6? Like they're scanning everybody in real life, in the real world, and everybody's going to be in the game. That. That's why it's not out yet. That, first of all, is the excuse that they need for why it's not out.

1:50:19And two, that would be absolutely amazing, dude. I mean, they just change a little feature about you, but you're like, you know that's you. But in the future, they could do that. Some of these companies could then license your existence somehow or where you're at in certain areas into a video game like that. And that gets kind of crazy, dude. That's pretty sick. Yeah. Let's finish out here. Let me see. Flock cameras have exploded across the U.S. because they're cheap turnkey crime-fighting tools that let even small departments tap into a national vehicle tracking network. Flock sells subscription packages that include the hardware, cellular, bad call.

1:50:53Their cameras continuously capture plates, timestamps, and vehicle metadata. push it to Flock's cloud where cops can run searches and set alerts on Hotlist. Flock has marketed directly to police, HOAs, and private business centralizing all plate reads. By 2024-25, the company said it had cameras in roughly 4 ,000 plus cities and over 5 ,000 communities. What? So, bro, it's here. Oh, it's already in. It's done. That's the new Annabelle, dude. What? And she's out of the box. Dog. Matt Reif, man. You have your new You're going on a tour. I'm on tour right now. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, stay golden tour. Amen, bro.

1:51:31We're going through the rest of this year, so it should be fun. Yeah. There's some fun cities ahead. Nice. I'll be back here in Nashville in October for Bridgestone. Okay. Yeah. You're in town for it. You got to come through, dude. Dude, yeah. I will be in town. My friend, is somebody dying or getting married? What's happening in October? Same thing. October 10th. Yeah, October 10th. Something's happening. It's my grandpa's birthday. It is? That's creepy. Dang. That's creepy. Shout out Steve. Steve. Steve. Steve. Steve. Bro, yeah, thank you. Congrats to everything. FTX is coming out. You don't know when yet?

1:52:01The FTX series comes out this December. Is that what it's called? No, it's called The Altruist. The Altruist. That'll be on Netflix, and then we've got the movie with Owen Wilson coming out in October, so that'll be some nice little end of the year. Oh, Rolling Loud, the movie. That's what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that's crazy, bro. What do you play in this movie? I play his work colleague who happens to also be at the festival. He's like a big festival head, and he helps him look for his lost son in the festival. So it's just me, him, and his girl, Christine Coe, who's a hilarious actress.

1:52:32She was on Dave. Yeah. So we kind of help him look for his lost son. Amen, bro. Yeah, dude. Best of luck, man. Congrats on everything, dude. Thanks for stopping by and spending some time with me, bro. It's a pleasure. I know we've been trying to figure this out for some years now, so thank you for finally making the time. I appreciate it. It's a blessing, man. And your life seems active and busy. It seems like you stay active in your own life as much and just show up for yourself and get things done. That's exciting. It's inspiring. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's the truth. Matt Reif.

1:52:59Thanks, brother. Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take

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