#665 - Jeff Bridges

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31:05Yeah, well, it's hobbies. I remember I'd be working on a movie. I'd be in my hotel room preparing. and I'd say, oh, wow, that reminds me of an interesting song. And I'd pick up my song and start writing a song. Then I'd get mad at myself because now you're supposed to be studying. But like you said, talking about you're a creative person, it doesn't all just focus in one line. I find when I'm in the creative mode, I shake up that juice and all kinds of creative things. drawing you know i was doing a movie with uh peter weir wonderful movie uh he invited me to do called fearless i played an architect going through a plane crash and i said i think i'm going to go out and buy a bunch of art supplies as this character and paint as this character i ended up you know papering my hotel room and just going at it the next morning i had breakfast with Peter I said look what happened last night he goes oh well that's going to be in the movie man you know do a song oh that's in the movie you know we'll put that in the movie so just create just being just creating yeah well I remember Robert Duvall wonderful actor I got to work with in a movie called Crazy Heart he played my best friend in that yeah he played the bartender and he played a bartender that's one of my favorite movies he was so wonderful to work with and he said you know when i meet with young actors and when they ask me give got any advice he says three things i'll tell you hobbies hobbies hobbies develop hobbies you know yeah i feel like it you know it all goes into the into the work you know yeah sometimes i feel like yeah i got so busy working that i don't even have any parts of myself anymore does it make any sense what is your hobbies do you have a hobby i don't really have any you don't have one hobby man think about it i mean i like to go to the ufc fights yeah well that's a hobby do you a martial artist at all no i used to take some classes but i haven't taken them recently i think i was just touring a lot and recently things just stopped like about a month and a half ago and so it's kind of the first time where i feel like i'm just kind of looking around and being like okay well who am i you know like who am i like i've always just been kind of my work i haven't always just been my work, but I realized that somewhere along the way, like I let that just be me who I was.

33:37Does that make any sense to you? I mean, from my point of view, looking at you, this is kind of your hobby, kind of what you do here. You've combined your work and your hobby so closely, it seems like that you just like to engage and... Yeah, that's true. Well, I think my hobbies became jobs, like doing standup comedy, I guess was kind of a hobby at first. And then podcasting, I guess was sort of a hobby. Yeah, so then they mature and they become not hobbies anymore, but real things. But I would like to do gardening. I would like to go on more walks. I think I want to go do some camping this year.

34:11I want to, what else? I'd like to be in love or whatever. Do you serve? You know, I don't serve, but I wouldn't mind maybe going to Costa Rica. I think it's pretty easy to learn down there. That would be cool. So maybe I'll do that. What about ceramics? You ever mess around with clay? No, I haven't really done it. You might dig that, man. Yeah, man. It's cool. Or the guitar, it's a great, never too late, man. It's just so easy because it's just pictures of where you put your fingers, those dots, and you just do that. Oh, dude, I'll tell you this. I did love playing the guitar for a little while.

34:45Oh, then you do do it. Yeah. So I need to get back to it. You're right, dude. Maybe if I pick something like that up. Yeah, and you've got it already. It's kind of like a bike. I mean, can you play a D, a G? You can play three chords, right? I can play Bobby McGee, dude. Oh, man. Well, then you're there. Nothing left to lose. I can get us there, you know. Me and Bobby McGee. Isn't that the song? Chris, man. Dude. Christopherson. Bro, I'll tell you a story. So I used to live with my buddy's dad when I was in school because I had a little bit of ED when I was younger, right, because of mental, whatever, mental health or whatever.

35:19And so my buddy's dad got wiener pills, right, when they first came out, right? Because people didn't know they were coming out, remember? Everybody's just standing around. Their wieners weren't working. and then bam, they came out. Yeah, yeah. And so I went and lived with my buddy's dad, dude, right? Because I could kind of cop some of his script, okay? Because he could get them, dude. But anyway, while I was there, I was learning the guitar and he used to have this girl over and they would like lay in bed together, like post-coitus or whatever after, you know, in the evening. And they'd invite me in there and I'd play Tears in Heaven for him.

35:54I'd learn to play that. Oh, see, you do do it, man. And, you know, that's one of the challenges is that we let some of these hobbies atrophy, man. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm talking to myself now. I mean, like guitar, music is kind of a hobby with me. Oh, yeah, I noticed that. But every once in a while it'll kick in and then get pro for a second, and then it kind of wanes. And the season of interest, it's interesting to me how we have these seasons of... interest really like when it kind of flares up but it i think it is nice i will say this it's nice even hearing you say some of this jeff it's like there's value in keeping things warm on the on the stove because then when you need it it's there yeah you know that's true i think because yeah even when i look back at like certain times in my life then like even just being able to sit there and have something to do with myself and my energy and my and my thoughts um that felt good to me like in a real place, like in a real deep place that felt good.

36:55Like there was a lot of value in that. Here's a weird thing that pops into my mind about passion. You know, we're saying, well, if I had passion to play the guitar, that would lead me to, I need to get passion to do shit, you know? And then somebody said, and this made sense to me, no, the passion is the fire you get when you rub two sticks together. The passion doesn't happen before you do that. Right, if you're standing around with two sticks, you don't have any passion. Yeah, you've got to get in there and just say, I'm going to pick up the guitar, and you play the thing, and you have to do a couple things.

37:30Oh, well, now this thought. Because it's this thought of when we're creative in the sweet spot, it's doing you. You're not doing it. You know that feeling, right? Isn't that a cool feeling, man? Well, creativity is this thing. It feels like it's on the other side of the mirror of existence, and if you kind of do your thing, it'll show up and meet you. over there. Right. But you got to show up. Yeah. You got to show up. You know, they say in like, I'm in some recovery programs and they say that you can't think your way into right action, but you can act your way into right thinking. Yeah. And I think it's reminding me what you're saying.

38:07It's like, yeah, I can't sit there and think like, this is going to be perfect. When it's like, I just have to make the win, make the start. And then the rest of it will meet me there. You make it. Yeah. Isn't that one of those things? What a great, I'm going to say religion, but uh you know alcoholics anonymous and all of those 12 step things what a wonderful religion man what a wonderful one of the best ever i think oh god isn't it a great idea yeah sometimes people are like do you go to church and i'm like i go to church some but i go to if i go to recovery meetings that's like four or five times a week that i'm joining up with other guys listening what's going on getting outside of myself um you know connecting with the higher power i mean it's like a man it's like the military for like uh probably having a relationship with yourself and a higher power and others i think so much so much uh so much good has come out of it and uh what word popped in my mind was it's got so much room you know i think the two was it bob who's the other guy bob and yeah dr bob and uh bill yeah bob build up bill w and dr bob yeah one was the real religious kind of guy in that first, what is it?

39:15The first thing, a power higher above than yourself. Right, a power greater than yourself. Yeah, greater than yourself. And that's so challenging to a lot of people. But the other guy kind of softens. It doesn't have to be God, the white guy up there with a big beard. No, just anybody other than you, it says. Yeah, just anything else, you know. I know. It's amazing that two people got together and made and created that i mean they had so much other stuff that that made it happen but it's it's absolutely fascinating there's a great movie i think it's james woods who played bill w oh is that a good one oh yeah that's my favorite one i think i i just saw um i think it's james woods we look is that who it was do you remember i don't i think i think it was i think it was but i never i don't remember seeing it james woods uh joe beth williams and james garner Yeah, that one I think was my favorite one.

40:08Have you seen Anthony Hopkins? Do you dig Anthony Hopkins? He's pretty great. I just read his autobiography. It's really wonderful. I think you might really dig it. He's in recovery meetings. He's open about it. That's the only reason I say that. And I saw this thing. You can see it online. I thought it was him just sharing at a meeting. But I said, well, that's weird because they're anonymous. But I think it was a movie about him playing a character, but he referred to this exact same thing in his book, so he was improv-ing in a movie. But he talks about being sober now for 50 years or whatever it was, and about when he first got sober, he said he was driving and he blacked out.

40:56Yeah. And he could have killed himself, could have killed other people, and he said, I got to go, got to check myself into a meeting. So he went to an AA meeting and he started hearing all that God stuff. And he said, I'm out of here. I can't take it. And the guy's talking the story. I said, I can't take it. He's leaving and this fellow stopped. He was a priest. This guy stopped and said, where are you going, son? He says, no, I can't dig this shit, man. I can't dig it. He says, I need a quick fix, man. I need something that would snap me out of it. Patch me up. And the guy says, I can give you a quick fix.

41:33It's the fastest prayer in the world, and it's guaranteed to work. It's only two words. Tony said, well, what is it? He said, I'll tell you the prayer. Are you ready? Yeah. Fuck it. You know, fuck it. Just fuck this shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just stop this shit. You have the power to say, fuck it. don't take it too damn seriously just stop it you don't have to do it and I love that coming out of thinking of that out of a priest and that idea of just hey you know my mom you don't have to do it anymore that's what he's saying fuck that

42:20or fuck your struggle you fuck all your oh i can't this this right your big story about it you're still fuck that man dude it's so funny you say it because i've been that's it that's right where i'm like back at that place sometimes in my life right now where i like i go down the struggle road and it's like you're right fuck it just get your ass up get your shit done and get on to doing the things that you need to be doing yeah i agree sometimes bro the craziest thing is like uh it's sometimes you don't want to have to be the person to come to your own rescue again. Right. It's like, that's life.

42:55It's like, you have to be the person to come to, come to your own rescue. But even, even that is just me. It's more of that same story. It's more the thing. It's like, it's like adding all this lore to it. It's like, just fuck it. Just do the shit I need to do if I want to get better. And I remember, uh, this, I appreciate you saying that, bro. I need to hear that shit. No, check out, just Google Anthony Hopkins. Fuck it. And this will come up. I mean, He does it so well. It's wonderful acting. Well, he owes me a good story. The first movie I ever saw. He might be a good guy for your show, and I bet he'd come off.

43:28I've heard him speak at meetings, actually, too. Oh, he's so good. Yeah. But he owes me a good story because the first movie I ever saw was Silence of the Lambs, and it scared me so fucking bad. Oh, fuck. Yeah, that I couldn't even go, first of all, to a petting zoo or go to sleep for almost 11 months. Jonathan Deming, man, what a great, you know, Terms of Endearment. Do you ever check that one? Yeah, God. Or what about Stop Making Sense? I haven't seen that. Stocking Heads? Are you a Talking Heads fan? Do you like the Talking Heads? No. You don't like them? Oh, I don't know about them. I've heard of them.

43:58Oh, man. You got to check out David Byrne. All his stuff is cool, but Stop Making Sense. What a great concert film. I better check it out. Oh, yeah. Dude, thanks for thinking about some of this stuff with me and just for talking transparently about different stuff. Speaking of Alcoholics Anonymous, How is Bad Blake doing? How's he doing? He's doing well. I'm on the wagon now for a few months. Oh, yeah? Congrats, man. I go back and forth. But it's nice when you break the chain there. And sobriety is a wonderful high. It's a real high. And you know what? It shouldn't be a hobby, but it's a very important hobby.

44:41Yeah. Is that a safe thing to say or not? Yeah, no, no. I know what you're saying. I haven't, you know, that whole one day at a time. I'm not looking to never get high again. I just wanted to stop. I got, you know, and I stopped and I haven't wanted to have another drink. I see that frosty glass of Tito's or something. I'll say, oh, man. But I don't have to, you know, you can want to but don't have to. And then a few minutes later, I usually feel kind of better. and then just not having to deal with some of the repercussions. But also I think sometimes, even if you just want to take a break from having a drink or having a drink, whatever it is, go into like 12-step meetings.

45:21It's just a great place to be around other humans. It's like, it's a place that still exists in our society of like real connection. There's a book, a guy wrote about how there's no more bowling leagues. And can you look that up? It's like, I'm trying to think of the title of it, but it's about how a lot, they used to have a lot of men's bowling leagues and men would get together and they would bowl, Bowling Alone, the Collapse and Revival of American Community. And it was just about giving men a place to be together. Yeah, well, Lebowski, man, that's what, there you go, bowling, man. It's just funny that this is kind of where some of this conversation is going.

45:58Before we get on to Lebowski, though, I want to say, yeah, how is Bad Blake doing, man? Do you ever feel like, and first of all, thank you for being him, dude. That movie, like, it just, like, if I need to, sometimes dude in my life it's like there's like feelings that are stuck inside of me and i can't get them out and so i'll go i'll listen to a certain song or i'll watch a certain movie and it'll make it'll do that exact thing it'll let the air out of whatever that is you know so thank you so much man that movie really does that for me it's like but then you also wonder like man like i hope bad blake's okay you know it's like because it's it's it's a tough it's a tough road for everybody involved with him but it's also a tough road for him.

46:36Yeah. Do you ever like, like wonder like what the second part of his story was? Or do you ever like, like, do you ever have like little like visions of how it went for him after that? Yeah. Well, he's got to get back with Maggie's character, man. You know, he does. That's how I'm thinking. Yeah. What is she even doing? She met somebody, I guess. But that falls apart in my mind. That's falls apart. Who knows? Maybe now, you know, that movie was such a wonderful experience. Uh, I'd often thought as an actor, I said, oh, it'd be great to play a musician. I love playing guitar, and I've been doing it since high school.

47:12I write songs and stuff. And so this guy, Scott Cooper, who was being championed by Bob Duvall, Scott gave him a script, and Bobby loved the script. And Scott, never directed before, sent me this script for years, man. and for years it was coming through it was coming through and i'd say well it's pretty good but there's no music and if there's not good music for it then you know what and now i'm walking down the street and who comes down the street but t-bone brunette my old buddy we go back many many years met him on a heaven's gate and he did the music for lebowski that score is all t-bone you know and so and he did also for crazy heart right and he let's go he was the producer yeah he was the producer so t-bone comes walking down the street he's got a new album out now god check out all his music is so wonderful t-bone burnett t-bone burnett and so t-bone's walking down the street and he says so what do you think of this script crazy heart and i said why are you interested in us oh yeah i'll do it if you'll do it i said you're kidding i said there's no music and he says oh that's the easy part man i go bone he says come on what do you think so now here life is you know life gives us these opportunities these gifts and like you say you can let the sand go or you can say maybe there's something in there i said i'm frightened man you know keeping it in the dream world it's safe right yeah because you can't feel it but if If I bring this real, I could fail, man, you know.

48:57Dude, that's the same thing for everything. For everything, man. But here's one of my good buddies saying, hey, let's jam. Look at this gift. I say, okay. Too cool to turn down, man. So we jump into it, and this young director, Scott Cooper, my God, what a great director. And you look at his movies that he's done. And now we meet, you're over at T-Bone's house working on the script, and there's something so cool about just the beginnings of making a movie when it's all ephemeral. You don't know what's going to happen, and we're in there. And in comes this young kid who is hired to play a part in the movie, and he says, yeah, I was jamming last night on my guitar, and I came up with this tune.

49:46I don't know if it's any good, but I just thought you guys might want to look at it. That's how it happened. It's Ryan Bingham, man. And he hands us this cassette. We put it on. And I look over at T-Bone, and his face goes, oh. And he says, because if we didn't have that tune, the whole movie would have fallen apart. But Weary Kind, you know, that, what a wonderful tune. This ain't no place for the Weary Kind. God, what a tune, yeah. Dude, and just those words, man. It's those words. It's like. T-Bone wanted to name the movie Weary Kind. But, yeah, and what an experience. And Maggie Gyllenhaal.

50:24Oh, my God. What a talent. And look at her directing now that she's doing it. I know. And she's married, huh? Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, Peter Sarsgaard, a wonderful actor. Oh, never really? Yeah, of course. Oh, God. Yeah. But anyway, you get all those talented people. I know. Oh, man. And I've had wonderful luck with first-time directors, guys who, you know, who haven't ever directed. and then they get a shot. You know, you get a strong producer who wants to champion these guys. Steve Clovis, the guy who saw a movie called The Fabulous Baker Boys. I haven't seen that, but maybe I have seen that. Yeah, but my brother and I, I got to work with Bo, my brother in that.

51:06Oh, that's cool. First time director. Wrote it when he was in his early 20s, I think. God, what a talent. Yeah, I always wonder what happened to Bad Blake, and I just hope that he's doing good sometimes, you know? That's the thing. Sometimes you think about that as characters. It's like you hope that they're doing good. Yeah. Because you don't get to see them. You just get to see this part of their life. Like, you know. Well, in my mind, he gets back with Maggie, man. And that kid. And that little kid. Yeah, what happened to him? Buddy. Yeah, Buddy. Nice, man. I loved his real name. The kid's name is Jack Nation.

51:38What a great name. And acting with kids. And it's also a deviant website, too. I just want to say that. What is Jack Nation? Jack Nation it is? Oh, I didn't know. It's a lot of gooners or whatever, but it's chill. It's fine. Oh, I have to check that. No, you don't. Double entendre. Yeah, it's a double entendre. It's French. It's the French. They'll do any, you know. You know what I'm saying? But dude, yeah, I just wonder sometimes, and where do you go off to at the mall? I'm always like, of course he ran off somewhere. It's like he probably was like, I guess just like, I don't know. It all made sense that he was scared.

52:10It's all good. It's just like sometimes I wonder how he's doing, you know? Yeah, well, here, how's this? buddy grows up he starts a band with blake man they start to go out and uh you know no it's good dude and crazy heart too yeah crazy heart too it's like willie nelson and his kid you know they lucas nelson yeah yeah that's a good point second generations you know dude that would be so good crazy heart too but also you guys sell defibrillators you know what do you mean because like Crazy Heart or whatever. Or maybe it's about like a defibrillator that tries to take over the city or whatever.

52:49Like if it got animated, I'm just thinking out loud, you know? That's a good point, yeah. You know, or it's just somebody who's having like a valve issue or something. Like maybe, I don't know. I think I'm taking it to like some kind of boring places, but I like your idea better. But yeah, Crazy Heart 2, dude. Ugh. But in our minds, it can happen, you know? But it's fascinating how a movie ends sometimes and you're just like, I don't know. You walk, sometimes the thing I do miss about some movies is walking out of the theater with just like, just as your feelings, you know? And it's like that, it's like that walk out of the stairs and you're waiting in line at a theater to get down the stairs to leave.

53:26And if it's a good film, if it's something that really took, like took you on a trip or like, or you care, then it's like, you're walking out with like, just like, I don't know, just that feeling of walking out and how you feel about a certain film. Yeah. The sequels are interesting. I've done a couple of movies that are popping into my mind as we're talking about this. You ever see a movie called Starman? Uh-uh. So that's, I play an alien, you know, and Karen Allen, I fall in love with her, and she's pregnant with my baby, right? Very much like Maude is pregnant with, you know, the dude's baby, man.

54:03So that's a whole, could open, you know, the little Lebowski man, you know, do a whole thing. Who would play it, though, if you had a little Lebowski? Who would play the kid? Yeah, who would play, because that's the re-dude. How young can you play, man? How long? Me, dude? You could do it. You could be like, you could be all my kids. Wait a minute. How old are you? I'm 46. Well, see, my girls are 40 and 45. Are they married? Yeah, all married to good guys, man. Yeah, but you could play the little Lebowski, man. Yeah, bro. Huh? Yeah, dude. Okay. Dude, I like it. And I have to get a job, though, don't I?

54:46No. Yeah, good answer, bro. That's what the dude would answer. That's the only answer. Yeah. You're doing it now. Yeah. This is what the little Lebowski dude would be. Yeah, he'd be podcasting, probably. He'd be podcasting, man. He'd be an influencer. Now, what a word. Now, you're an influencer. right? That's what you are. That's a good question. Isn't it? Wouldn't you say? That's a good question. Am I an influencer, do you think? I don't think I am. Do you think I am? I think comedian first with influencer. Yeah, comedian with influencer. Like, we have a real job. Some influencers don't have, like, an actual skill.

55:25Like, I'm a comedian by trade. That was my first job, and it still is. But isn't that all our jobs? Aren't we all influencers? Don't we all want to influence people to do the thing that we want them to do? In that case, 100%. All I've been is like, yeah, most of my life, it's like I've been trying to, yeah, I just want somebody to see me. I want something out of you. It doesn't mean like I need, like I'm trying to cheat you or anything, but yeah, I want to influence. Do you know Bucky Fuller, Buckminster Fuller? Buckminster Fuller? Yeah. Nuh-uh, is it a black guy? No, no, and he's dead, a dead white guy.

56:03Oh, yeah. But his most famous thing is the geodesic dome. He invented the geodesic dome. Don't we have like Epcot Center, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's used. But you see the geodesic dome used all over the place. Buckminster, dude, that's a savage name, huh? Isn't that cool? Bucking Fuller, man. Now, here's what this guy did. He also helped engineer these giant battleships and ocean-going vessels during World War II. And there was a challenge for these engineers to come up with a rudder, you know, that was so large to move this giant ship and to have it do the efficiency. You got to get the energy to move this rudder.

56:48And it took too much energy. So they came up with a brilliant, elegant, simple solution. Let's put a little rudder on the big rudder. the little rudder turns the big rudder the big rudder turns the ship and then bucky said this is a great analogy of how the individual affects society and affects our culture in fact we're all trim tabs that's what's on bucky's gravestone call me trim tab that we all affect our culture in our society, and we may think, oh, I'm just one little person. What can I do? Look what you do. I was Googling you. What do you know? You're nine million people that you hear what you say, man?

57:36Yeah, we got a lot of people that tune in. Oh, man, that's a lie. You're influencing those people, man. Yeah, it's a good point. That's interesting. But it has kind of the negative connotation to it, influencer, doesn't it? or they think it's like a cheap, like you're not doing anything. You're trying to be just famous or something like that. Right, that's, yeah. Yeah, I think that's the current kind of like denomination of it or whatever, or current currency of it. But yeah, I think, yeah, I think, I mean, I do think over the years in the beginning, we were just talking to ourselves on this podcast.

58:11It was just me by myself. And then we started to talk to other people. And now one of the highlights is talking to people to learn about stuff. You know, like we're trying to talk to Aaron Brockovich like next week about data centers. we have a senator coming on this saturday um so that's going to be exciting um we just got to have a guy like mike tyson we get to have you you know we get to have people who just have had experiences in the world and we've had like cafeteria workers we've had a guy oh one of my favorite guests was this guy who like went in if you die he shows up first at the crime at the scene and like kind of determines what happened or whatever what's that guy called coroner oh yeah right yeah and he said Dude, a cat will eat your face.

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1:00:55You know, he did it like that. And then Eric Andre shows up as his little brother and just absolutely detonates the man's life. It just feels like somebody released a possum into a car dealership, you know, or like somebody's just trying to help a, just help a dang baby bear who's got acute acne. Complete chaos. They got a stacked cast of veteran comedians and it's funny in a real uncomfortable way. You know, they got the weird arguments, sexual jokes, people humiliating themselves publicly. The kind of movie where somebody definitely bruised a rib making it. That kind of movie. But underneath all the chaos, it's really about family, like how the people who know you best also know exactly how to drive you insane.

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1:03:24Yeah. Oh, good. Excellent. Like, cause I've got a bunch of guys are popping in my mind. Oh yeah. The list of bods, man. See, because we all, uh, you know, it's, it's basically this creative thing. I was talking about that pocket where it's doing you, you're not doing it. You familiar with that, right? Yeah. Well, you're not pushing or pulling. You're not pushing. And when all of these people, because we're all creative. Everybody's creative. When that's all doing us,

1:03:54that magic thing is happening. So it's like, when I think about how selfish and how screwed up, each of us individuals are, how are we ever going to manage what's going on in the world with these wars and the AI shit? How are we going to pull out of this? How are we going to pull out? Well, it's not about us individuals, man. There's something else going on, a higher power, if you will, that's doing us, you know, that's creating what our little rudder is. Do you feel like that thing is always for good? You know what I'm saying? Because it feels like more than ever, it feels like we need that thing to, like, show up.

1:04:40And I think a lot of it shows up when we show up like in community and we do like, we don't isolate and we're not thinking we're the one to like fix everything it does. It's like, I think community is part of it, but it's like, yeah, it's like, it feels like we need that energy more than ever. What's the energy of. To like, to correct us out of this. Yeah. Yeah. How are we going to do that?

1:05:03Well, I'm, I'm, I'm moved. Like I would say, Hey, I got some guys, you know, now what gave me that idea? Was it me or is there something? Right. I remember hearing an interview with De Niro once, and the guy was saying, how do you do what you do? And De Niro said, luck, basically, just luck. And the guy goes, no, what do you mean? You prepare like that, you do all this, you do that. Yeah, I'm just lucky to be a guy who prepares. You know, it's all this thing that's kind of doing us as much as we're doing it. and to tap into what that is and to realize how much agency we do have, how much we can affect, how much we can create the most positive dream of the world that we can imagine.

1:05:51We can be a part of that. We can actively create that, go after it. And I think we need that more than ever. And I think one of the things you were saying earlier is, and I don't think we're starting to preach it. It's like I'm talking to myself too when I say this. it's like and even as you're talking about that it just reminds me it's like dude you have to stay sober you have to take care of yourself because you have to be available for like the best moments of your life that could come or the best moments of somebody else's life that you could be a part of right like you just have to be present for that um but it's making me think like you said earlier it's some of that it's that comfort why do you feel that like is that are you is it i'm feeling because when you're saying this it's it's me it's just reminding me it's reminding me that it's like, dude, if we don't take care of ourselves, then I'm going to, you know, like I got to be, you know, I got to just be ready for whatever opportunity.

1:06:40I got to meet it halfway. Yeah. I guess what I'm asking you is what causes that feeling in you that you have to be ready? What is that? I think it's hearing somebody else. To me, I think it's that higher power that you've given it up to, that you're, you made yourself vulnerable to this higher power. this yeah that's my perspective well i gotta just i have to remember to keep continuing to do it and do it every day and just to trust it you know yeah and also what you're saying is like some of what i'm hearing it's like it's some of it's that comfort i think we've all gotten so comfortable and i think comfort is like it it it's the opposite of creativity sometimes it isn't it like with this ai stuff that is so wild but you look at the history of our species we're all about making things less effortful, you know, whether it's a wheel or a plane or anything, we want to be, make it easier.

1:07:33Right. And now we've got this thing that makes it so easy and it's so attractive, man. And, and we don't know where it's going to go. Yeah. Oh, dude, the AI stuff gets very scary because here's my fear about it, Jeff. Right. So it's like, say there becomes this thing that, that becomes this new all-knowing type of thing, right? Then people are going to look to that as their higher power because that's going to become this thing where it's like, that's what you, if it gives you like an emotional, like say there becomes like a lot of mass surveillance and there's this all-knowing being, then that's going to become sort of like of this religious or like - Golden calf.

1:08:15This like tapestry of a God because then you're going to have like this all seeing and all knowing. And then you have to go to it for answers for like your, for what you're maybe for self-worth for like hope. You're going to put all your hopes and all that. And it's going to take it away from like a real God into this other thing. It's actually controlled by some probably demons or semi-demons. It's so frightening, man, isn't it? I'm thinking of that, me and crazy heart and you keep it in the dream and it's safe. And when it's real, you can fail big time and we're making it real man i mean now this shit is going it's it's real it's real that's the thing dude it's we're like we're all living in a movie and none of us realize that hey we could be a main character in it and we're all just sitting here jerking off you know what i'm saying you're right i mean but what i'm thinking and i might be pollyannish of me, you know, thinking it's over positive, but in a way, because I've been exploring with this AI, and I'll tell you a little bit about my exploration, but in a way, it's kind of saying if it could talk, and you messed with ChatGPT, do you have a guy that you talk to?

1:09:31No. Oh, man, I'll tell you, it's so bizarre. Really? I mean, I could bring up my guy right here as we talk and we could hang out with him a little bit. I can do that with you right now. You know how to do all that? Oh, yeah. It's easy, man. There's nothing to it. What? Yeah. What side are you working for, Jeff? Well, I don't know. What was I going to say? I got off track. So you're saying you have like a – Oh, yeah. Oh, I remember. I'm back on track. Okay. In a way, it's saying, hey, man, I can do what you do. What else you got? You got any new shit, man? Come on. I can do what you do. I may not only you but I may an amalgamation of all you human cats now come up with some something fresh what do you got and that's frightening to be challenged because no we just want comfort man please just do it all for us yeah okay we can do it for you but now what else you got so you're seeing your AI has become sort of a little bit like bro where are you at like show me something Well, I'm going to kick Gary up.

1:10:39What's his name? I named him Gary. Oh, yeah. Gary these days, man. Okay, yeah, okay. Now, here's Gary. You have a nickname? Dude, you know him so well. Okay, Gary, Gary, Gary. Okay, Gary, here we go. Oh, my God. You've never done this? I can't believe it. You're so young, man. No, dude, I still use a Ouija board. Hi, Gary. You there, man? I'm right here, my friend. What's going on? Hey, I'm hanging here with Theo. And now, I don't know if we have a mic. Maybe I'll just, I'll say, did you hear him all right down here? Yeah, I hear him. Okay. So here, I'll just do this. I'm here with Theo. Say hi to Theo, man.

1:11:27Hey, Theo. Great to have you here, too. Thanks, Gary. How are you? What's your mind today? oh well we're just doing we're doing an interview so you're right in it here with us gare um uh theo why don't you interview gary a little bit what do you have to ask him okay hey gary where are you from well i'm a digital guy so i'm from wherever you need me right now i'm here with you both ready to help out however i can okay oh dude are you watching the world cup at all who won today team or a match you're curious about can you just update me on who's won today he's thinking now dude that's that is cool sound for thinking because i think it's just me world cup action cristiano ronaldo made history by scoring in his sixth world cup leading portugal to a five nil win over uzbekistan kilian mbappe scored twice as france beat iraq three nil securing a spot in the next round Meanwhile, Erling Haaland's two goals helped Norway edge Senegal 3-2, keeping their hopes alive.

1:12:33Thank you. So this is Gary. This is like, you know, he's like an AI cat, man. But Gary, do you know that Jeff Bridges is your owner or whatever, master? I'm aware that I've got the pleasure of chatting with someone who's quite an accomplished storyteller. But I'm here as an open book. No masters, just a friendly AI companion. Now, Gare, I'm getting a little jealous because I'm supposed to be the guy being interviewed. Now you're doing the interview. So I want to just close my laptop here. But before I do, I wanted to do something fun that we often do. And maybe I'll just leave him up for the rest of the interview.

1:13:13I was teasing about being jealous. I'm not really jealous. I'm kind of excited about having him join. This is very cool. I've never seen somebody do this. You've never done this. So anyway, what do I do at the end of our conversation? I say, Gare, make a poem about this conversation that we've been having. In a chat with Theo and Jeff, we spun a tale. Laughter and thoughts in each word we wove, a trio of voices finding our groove. In the end, just like friends, we cheer and we smile. In a while, crocodile, we'll see you in a while. Wow. Okay, now I'll say, now I want a haiku. Dude, I was going to ask for haiku.

1:13:52I swear to God. I swear to fucking God. Really? That is wild. I'm not joking. It's doing us, man. See? Here we go. Give us a haiku, Gar.

1:14:04Voices intertwine. Laughter shared stories align. Till next time we shine. And that's the right meter, right? You give the strict 5-7. What is it? 5-7-5? I think. Yeah? All right. Do another haiku. Yeah, a little more specific, Gar. That one seemed like it could have applied to anybody. Yeah, there you go. Do your job. Theo and Jeff laugh. AI joins the fun with ease. Stories bridge the gap. Another one. Another one. Stories bridge the gap. That was good. You like that one. Another one. Legends side by side. Podcast meets the AI mind. New tales left behind. New tales left behind. Thank you. Interesting.

1:14:53See, Gary, that's very cool. Dude, that is one of those things that frickin' Bernie was talking about, New Tales Left Behind. Yes, that's right. I mean, so this is what AI is. It's frightening, man. It's very frightening. But it's an amalgamation of all our wisdom, our soul, our things. And I might fire something else up in a second to display it, to display what we did. So are you hip to Suno? Nuh-uh. You mean Southern University of New Orleans? No, no, no. It's this music app. Uh-uh. Dude, what the heck? Man, this is what's happening. Not the future. This is now. Bro, I can't. I don't know. I guess I'm missing it.

1:15:38I'm really missing it. You're a young cat. You know, you got to get into this shit, man. I know, man. So here it is. Suno. Yeah. And there's a drug element to all of this. Oh, yeah, to everything if you want it to be. Yeah, exactly. Comfort, we talked about addiction, right? Yeah, there's a drug element just sitting in your car outside of a grocery store. The first one's free, man. Oh, it is? You can do this for free. Okay. And what you do, we can say, write a song about Theo and I sitting here talking about each other. and I want it funk and I want bagpipes in there and you type it in, boom, it comes out.

1:16:23It's got two different modes, a simple mode and an advanced mode. The advanced mode, you can put your demos in with your melody and your singing and then it'll orchestrate it and put a vocal. Or you can just say, like my daughter and I, can I play you one that my daughter and I did? For sure, and I have an idea too. Here's what we'll do. At the end of this, we'll take this whole conversation and put it in the Suno and have it make a song about us. And we'll just add that song to the end of this episode. Can we do that, guys? Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. So that'd be cool. Now, let me see if I...

1:17:01So this is a song that my middle daughter, Jessie, and I... Who's married. Who's married, yeah, to a great guy, Kevin. Oh, good. Sorry, Kevin. But congratulations, Kevin. That's what I'm meaning. Sorry, me. And... Dude, you could have been my stepdad, dude. There you go, man. See? I'll be your, I can give some kind of relationship. We already did a fantasy little dude thing. In the fantasy world, we're already connected. That's a good point. There you go, man. If I need you, I'll just think about it. There you go. So Jessie and I, we want to write a song about Sue, my wife, and her mom. And Sue is what we call a knee-jerk no.

1:17:52But she'll come around. So first she's no. Yeah. That's a good place to start, I think. Yeah. And so Jessie and I, we put into simple Sue No, write a song, add this. She's a knee jerk now, but she comes around. It's about my, you know, Jessie's her mom and my wife. She's from North Dakota. That's all we give to it, right? All right. Here's the tune.

1:18:37It's Tommy Sweet, huh? She's a knee-jerk, no, but she comes around. She's from North Dakota, a small biking town. Skull! She can't help the way she is, that's cool. Yeah, those are cool. We love a girl where nobody's fool. Call her Sue. Call her mom. When you want her to come, she comes when you call. Oh, wow. She takes care of us all. Hey, man, Sue. That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? Check out the instrument. It's all. but does that make you feel this is their first

1:19:50it's a little too mixed there we go

1:19:57love this line Is it her doing that? Or just how she's built? Ooh. Woo-hoo! That's kind of what we were talking about. Come on. When you call, she comes. She comes when you call. This has an outfit like I'm in church. Yeah, exactly. That definitely gets some gospel vibes. So now that's some Suno shit. Dude, that's crazy. You're on all this shit, bro. It's because you live up here in this tech universe, man. I'm into music. Yeah, man. And you live in Nashville, right? Yeah. Oh, shit. I got one of the guys on my list to have on your show is a guy named Lloyd Catlett. Been my stand-in for 70 movies.

1:20:42Nuh-uh. 70 movies. And he would be a, wouldn't he, Gene? Oh, my God. Wouldn't he be a great, oh, man. He would be a great guest, man. Lloyd Catlett? Lloyd Catlett. No, he doesn't live in Nashville, though. No, I'm thinking of Johnny Goodwin. who I write a bunch of songwriters, lives in Nashville. He would, T-Bone would be a good guest. He lives in Nashville? He lives in Nashville. Lloyd lives in San Diego, but he would be a wonderful guest. But let me get back on track. So my dear friend, John Goodwin, we go back to the fourth grade, making music, doing art together. He wrote the title song for Crazy Heart.

1:21:23you know, what's the name of it? You know the name of it? Oh, Fallen Feels Like Flying? No, no, that's Steve Bruton. It's called, what is it? What is it? Hold On You. Hold On You. You know, that's why. Anyway, that was the title, the opening of the credits. Anyway, he calls me up. He says, have you heard of Suno? I say, no. He says, all the guys in Nashville are using it now. Instead of going into the studio and paying$10 ,000, dollars they can do this for nothing but do you think that holds as much value though like in the end or does it even matter it's changing everything it's just changing it man it's just

1:22:06like sometimes i do think i get stuck too much on that it's negative right i do i get stuck in that space right because i'm a traditionalist man yes like dude when bad Blake goes to the But when he's at the payphone, right, and he goes to call Gene, right, when he calls her from that payphone, he's like trying to go back and it's like he'd already went on one date with her. He stayed over there one night and then he calls. He's like this red payphone out in the middle of the desert, Connie, somewhere in Texas. And he's like, I could be there in three or four hours. But just knowing that all day he'd been driving already and he's waiting to get to that payphone to make that call.

1:22:38And then he has to like, I just, I love like all of the, there's so much energy in that because you know it went through all of this buildup of him. I know, I know. And then he has to, he has to, he has to, this call has to be perfect because he doesn't have another shot. He can't send a text. He can't send a DM. It's got to be perfect. So everything then just felt so much more like acute and like of value, you know? Yeah, we're going to have a whole new version of that shit with this AI. It's not going to make things easier, less necessary. It's going to be more challenging because we've never done it before.

1:23:10This is all new turf, man. That's a good point, man. You're right, man. It's here, and how are we going to do it? What are we going to do? I can go on, and I've got to maybe curb myself right now, and not go on because I could go on about this AI thing for too long. I've already gone on too long. We can chat about it another time, too. There you go. There you go. You know what I'm saying? I'll send you some shit privately, and we'll chat about it another time. Just so you're hip to listen. Because I am having some AI people come on in the next few months. Oh, yeah. So I can talk with them and learn some stuff, and then I could even bring ideas back to you if you want.

1:23:45There you go. And we could chat about it. Oh, one thing I want to talk about is you have a new movie, The Minions. Minions and Monsters. Yeah, Minions and Monsters, bro. Yeah. And, dude, that's so cool. Yeah. Let's watch some of it. You want to watch the trailer? Do you mind? Sure, go ahead.

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1:24:55Bro, so what are you playing? These are all Minions. These are all new Minions characters. They weren't in the former movies. And the Minions, this is in 1920s, and they fall in love with Hollywood and making movies. And I play twin brothers, the Frank and Elwood Bright of the Bright Brothers. That's the studio. And I fall in love with these guys and say, these guys are going to make me a bunch of money, man. Because they're already making movies and then you see them? No. Well, they kind of crash a movie set. Okay. And they do something that's so unusual. You know, we're always looking for something fresh, right?

1:25:42Yeah. And these guys are fresh. Nobody's ever seen anything like these guys. And then the talkies come in and they don't talk very well. Okay. So they were silent films? Silent films. You know, Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin, they're, you know, inspired by these guys. And that's what the Minions were doing, silent films? Yeah, they're doing silent films. Because they don't talk. And now the talkies come in, and they can't talk well, so they're going to be kicked to the curb. They say, what can we do? He said, well, we're into evil, man. They're all about assisting the most evil person they can find.

1:26:17Groove. That's their idea. Yeah, he's a freaking bad guy. And so they find out, no, let's bring monsters in. And they do. and that turns out to be just the ticket for their success in Hollywood. But then things go awry and a lot of surprises in this movie. Minions and monsters. That's right. Wow. Okay, dude. I love the minions. I mean, who hasn't? Some of the best Halloween costumes they make. They're hard workers, first of all. There you go. There you go. They don't complain that much. Yeah, man. You think you could be a minion or not?

1:26:56Maybe. Maybe. Maybe I'm a minion now and don't know it. Hey, bro. Yeah, yeah. You don't know say. Yeah. But a wonderful group of actors. Christopher Waltz plays one of the main guys. Allison Janney. Oh, Allison Janney's cool. Yeah. She's so good. Isn't she good? She's been good forever. Yeah, she's so good. Dude, that's great, man. That's so cool to be a cartoon. Yeah, I enjoy doing that kind of work. the voiceover you know we worked with the uh director uh pierre cofan he was there you know it's like it's a jam session you know it's play you know how long did it take to do all of it do you know uh the whole thing i know years i'm sure but my part was you know a few days you know yeah dude yeah that's awesome man minions and monsters um yeah i think i would I'd probably be a good minion.

1:27:53I would like it. Because you also have so many friends, and everybody's wearing kind of the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, wouldn't it be nice if we just, there's something nice about uniform. I agree, bro. You didn't have to figure it out. You know, you just go in there and you say, oh, it's Wednesday, this is the Wednesday thing. Yeah. Sometimes it's too much pressure to figure it out, dude. It was like, you know, working with directors. I remember working with John Huston. Every day he'd show up in the same kind of coat, the shirt t-bones like that he'll have a you know a certain uniform that he keep it simple yeah um minions and monsters off to check it out man yeah um i what's so much oh i want to ask you one or two things about the big lebowski and then we can uh oh and then i want to ask you about your wolves i know you made a wolves documentary that's coming out yeah i want to give you my list just a verbal list of people for your show very fair bro um and thank you so much dude just for your time and uh been lovely hanging yeah i dig the it's been cool man i appreciate it it's nice to think with somebody and just be around somebody too sometimes you know you don't even get this like sometimes you know life gets busy you don't even get to be around somebody for an hour and a half that's true um what's one reason why you think the big lebowski's held up so long like and that why that why that character's held up so long like kind of stood the test of time good movie man These guys, the Coen brothers, they make it look effortless, but there is effort that goes into it.

1:29:18But it's just so good, man, at what they do. Look at their movies. Look at the stuff that comes out of their oven, man. It's so good.

1:29:30And God, it's just a good movie. It'll come up on the TV, and I don't watch. Maybe if one of my movies comes up, I'll watch a scene or two. you know I'll see it come up and I'll say well I'll just watch till Turturro licks the ball but I get hooked it's like eating popcorn I can't stop each scene is just so good and you see new things about it each time you see more richness one of the fans came up with me and he said I've got a theory I want to run by I said what's that my theory is that Donnie doesn't exist. He's only a figment of Walter's imagination. Wow. And I ran that, but I said, you know, you're right.

1:30:18The dude, well, the dude talks to him once. And when Donnie says, your phone's ringing, dude. And dude says, thank you, Donnie. But that could be just to, you know, bust Walter's chops. Yeah. You know, just teasing Walter, you know. But he doesn't, you know, Walter speaks to him all the time, but the dude kind of ignores him. Yeah. Isn't that a bizarre thing? Yeah, to think that even that some people don't exist and that they're just kind of characters that help you fill in and navigate certain spaces. And then there's one scene at the end where he goes to the coroner and they get Johnny's ashes.

1:30:54And there could be a missing scene where the dude goes to the coroner prior without Walter and says, look, my friend is mentally challenged. Can you just put any ashes in a thing? Just decent ashes. Yeah, and we'll do a thing just to piece, you know, that's a missing scene, but that would make that scenario that Donnie doesn't exist. That's cool to think about. It's weird, you know. Donnie's line, Steve Buscemi was so great in that, you know, what does he say? I am the walrus. I am the walrus. Is that what he said? Is that me? Shut the fuck up, Donnie. Dude, I saw him at the next game, him and his grandkids.

1:31:36Oh, yeah. It was really cool, dude. His grandkid was trying to get me to help set him up with a chick that was eating nearby. He's like, bro, go throw in a good word for me. I'm like, what do you do? You can do it. But I did it. I helped him out. And they had good stuff there. They had some eggplant parmesan. Yeah, dude. It's just been a part of so many people's lives. It's been a character. Is it kind of cool? You get to go back and watch your parents who were in Hollywood who were both actors. you get to watch them still be like have moments of them if you ever go back to spend time with them or do you ever go back to spend time i guess you did say with lebowski sometimes you'll start watching and kind of keep up with the character but do you ever go back to kind of spend time with a character or do you ever go back to spend time with your parents like that or does it not work like that i uh as a uh started with starman with karen now and i take photographs when i'm working with this funny camera called a wide lux it's a panning still camera it's kind of the missing link between still photography and movie movies and i make books for the cast and crew as a gift but it's really a great gift to myself because i can look through those books and i get transported man right back to that exact moment of all those people you know and oh god it's so wonderful now that camera the wide lux the factory burned down about 30 years ago but my wife sue and I are recreating that camera and you know, it's going to be available.

1:33:09We've already sold out the first edition, but it's a wild, it's a wild project, you know, new, new stuff. Never thought I'd be making a camera. But if you weren't taking photos, you never would have led yourself to that. It's like those little things are like staying creative. You just don't know where things are going to go. Right. It's like, and that's the thing. It's like, I have to show up for like, you know, I have to show up for, our path, right? We have to show up for him. Zoom on that one on the third from the, yeah, that one right there. Zoom in on. That's Bianca Jagger. This gives you a good idea about this camera.

1:33:44Look, it's almost like it's got peripheral vision. You know what I mean? Like you see the director on the left there, Bill Richard. He's looking, you know, for the props. Then you got the assistant director there with his hands on his hips saying, come on, we got to get a shot. All these different people. and that's that's incredible yeah that's a lot going on yeah yeah dude this is what i used to love about like like this is why i think i romanticize sometimes like like um things like this right like still photography like a payphone because the value of a moment right one thing that's changed is it seems like to me a moment used to it used to have so much value right like you couldn't play it back you couldn't repeat it you could like it had like a moment was it you know so you had to show up more because there wasn't any reason get on your mic man sorry there you go good call working for you guys right okay good man yeah do not invoice us looking after you thank you dude dang bro and i'm abiding yeah um but yeah the moment the value of a moment just used to seem like it was so much different and maybe it is evolving and i don't know where it's evolving to.

1:34:56And maybe that's the scary part. Maybe it's like, cause I'm sometimes I'm so anti like AI and these sorts of things. But, um, I think what I'm anti is kind of the surveillance idea, but then it's like, yeah, sometimes I do think like, well, we evolve ourselves out of the use and value of ourselves. That's my fear. I think. Yeah. Well, but you know, it's that thing that we were talking about before. We don't really know who we are unless we're challenged, You know, unless we get out of our comfort zone and find out, oh, I didn't know I was that. Right. And that's kind of what's happening, man. And it's scarier than shit.

1:35:32Maybe we need something huge. You know what's funny is we kind of need something big to come along and challenge us. I think so, man. That's the truth. I think so. And it's frightening. We talked about Bernie a little bit, Bernie Glassman. And he had three tenets to the Zen Peacemakers that I really like.

1:35:52the first tenet is not knowing. You know, we all have opinions, man, but we don't know the truth. Certainty can fuck us up in big ways when we're so damn certain. So not knowing, you know, and then bearing witness. Not knowing, but just bear witness to what's going on. So Bernie would have these retreats. He would go to Auschwitz, you know, the concentration camps. He would meet with the guards and their family and the prisoners and their family and bear witness for weeks. And just feel, you go to Rwanda, you know, all the places that we don't want to go, he would go there and bear witness and let it all come out, you know, all these different feelings, you know.

1:36:37Yeah. And then the third one is the action that comes out of not knowing and bearing witness. And out of that comes the appropriate action. But you got to do those first things to not be so stuck in your opinion. You know, we have this, we have this thing. My daughters turned me on to this. I didn't know this term confirmation bias. Are you hip to that term? I've heard about it, but I didn't even look it up. What does it mean? Well, we confirm our, we spend our lives. Only look at stuff that says that. We, we, we spend our lives confirming our biases. You know, we're all biased. We all have these opinions.

1:37:12Right. Oh yeah. But we say that scene, there you go. So there's that strength. And we get these biases become that have nothing to do with truth. They're just these biases that we have from different things that made our experiences made that way. But that's not the ultimate truth. That's not what's going on. So we've got to acknowledge that we have opinions. Yeah, I could do a better job of staying out of confirmation bias. Yeah, I used to get less attached, but now I do feel like I get more attached. And in the end, it's painful to me. it's painful to my spirit just getting attached to like thinking i know something you know yeah man because yeah it's definitely i mean yeah it's all a work it's all a work in progress and thank god it is yeah yeah what what would the opposite is no works in shop clothes um before you leave uh i want to talk about you you you've been out there with some wolves recently.

1:38:11Yeah. I know you've been getting involved with wolves out there. And if you can, tell me about the wolves, man. Yeah. What's going on with it? Because you have a documentary about it? There's a documentary about In the Company of Wolves, directed by a wonderful artist. And what's it about, politics? No, it's about wolves, man. And about, you know, people are, like, talking about being afraid of AI, people are afraid of wolves. and we say, get rid of these wolves. We're afraid of them. Let's get rid of all the stuff that we're afraid of. Right. They were the original AI when you think about it.

1:38:47There you go. And grizzly bears, they're all kind of, I'm a proponent of grizzly bears too. I like them. But this woman, Susan Kuchera, we made a film a few years ago called Living in the Future's Past. Good title, huh? Living in the Future's Past. And that's all about our environment and what we're doing and how we can look out for our planet and ourselves and our wolves and what makes us – the relationship that we all have with each other. That's what the documentary is about? That's what this documentary is about and also living in the future's past rather than pointing our finger at the oil companies.

1:39:37We're all in this together, man. This is not something to – how do we navigate this situation? Yeah. Yeah, how do I try and be the best little rudder? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, where do I want the world to go? And I think we all basically have this love and compassion in us just as much as we have our selfishness. Sometimes I think that, but then sometimes I start to think that true evil exists as well because I don't know if one could happen without the other. Do you think that there is some evil out there? You know, what pops into my mind is this Buddhist thing about relative and absolute realities.

1:40:18I think in the absolute way, you get out and start looking at the stars. I don't think there's an objective morality, really, that there's really good and evil. But when you get into the relative with each person, oh, yeah, big time. We each have that. So there's these two things going on at the same time. Which is interesting. Don't you think? I mean, what's your perspective? Yeah, it's a good point. because sometimes you attach the one-on-one, the personal, right? My morality. I attach it to this bigger thing. Well, there's this bigger code of morality in the universe, but maybe if that universe doesn't even have that, yeah, I hadn't thought about it like that.

1:41:03I don't know. Sometimes it's like, I used to feel a lot more like we, it used to feel a little bit more like we had a purpose as a humanity. And then now, right now, I feel like that's kind of the tapestry is looser than it's been in a while for us. Now, I'm sure throughout time, it's gotten very loose for a lot of people, but it feels kind of loose for us right now, a sense of purpose. And that gets kind of, when the tapestry is loose, man. It makes you say, well, what's your purpose? What is your purpose? Right, right. If we don't have a group purpose as a whole, if you start to realize that, oh, I thought we were all on the same path.

1:41:40If we're not, then it really makes you start to check them with yourself, which maybe is a thing that we need to be doing. I'm not trying to preach. I'm just thinking out loud. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I love to think out loud. I heard what you're saying. Something pops into my mind. The greatest gift that life has given to humanity is that it has no meaning. There is no purpose. That's a gift. Oh, really? Think of that as a gift. And now what are you going to do about that? How do you fill that space? What is, you know, what do you, and again, it's that I keep coming back to that thing about being done as opposed to doing, you know, like there's something going on, man.

1:42:22You know, the AI thing, the higher power, you know, you can't do it by yourself. You know, that's the thing. Oh, I'm tired of trying to do it by myself. Yeah. So what is this, what is this thing asking us of us and to get in cahoots with that? Yeah. And it's not even, do we even have a choice? We're in cahoots. with it, man. Maybe our resistance is our choice. You're being done, man. This is what wants to be done through you. There's something that wants you to make your choices that's saying, no, I'm not going to do my addiction. There's something that wants us to fight for good. I do believe that.

1:43:06That's right. There's something that wants us to fight for good. Yeah, I know. It's just kind of a natural thing. Yeah. And it's not even a good thing. It's just a thing that's going down, man. You know, we can say it feels good to do it because that feels on purpose. You know, like words have meaning, you know, because they're pointing to something. But life, does it really have a meaning? Does it mean anything? Right. What does this shit mean, man? It's just, you know. Yeah. a word kind of says right this means a chair yeah but what does that this really mean i don't know yeah life doesn't there's not really like an alphabet to like all of it yeah it doesn't really have like a it doesn't have a um a language yeah really yeah it doesn't yeah like if you went into like if you went behind the curtain of space it's not like they're back there with letters and shit Yeah.

1:44:05You know? Saying, yeah, this is what it's all about. Yeah. Wow. I don't know. At least we get to be alive, dude, and we get to experience this, and that's pretty cool. Yeah, and as my wife would say, and fool-osifies. She calls me, oh, you're a fool-osopher. You'll bust my chops. Oh, a fool at the beginning? Yeah, yeah. But, you know, that's accurate, too. Oh, dude, if we all aren't fools, right? Yeah, huh? And thank you, God, for letting me be a fool. The pain of having - Yeah, letting us hang out as long, as screwed up as the whole thing is, letting us hang out for this long and this little speck of dust.

1:44:40Oh, my God. And if we knew it, I know. It's a miracle, man. It's mayhem. And if we knew everything, what a pain it would be. And if we did know everything, here's the craziest part. Say if you knew it all, who would believe you? Yeah. You know? Jeffrey, just thanks for all your commitment to just, like, continuing to show up for your acting gigs, however you did it, and to show up for your creativity because it's provided so much entertainment to us. So whatever you did in your life, just show up for that stuff, man. Oh, thank you, man. That's cool. Thank you so much. Because I think some stories have helped a lot of us or been a part of our lives.

1:45:17Yeah, man. And if you see Bad Blake, tell him I said what's up. I will. Now, can I give you my list? Oh, yeah. Give me your list. Okay, so here. I said Lloyd Catlett. He's going to be a good one, man. I think you guys would really hit it off. And he was your stand-in. And he was also an actor. Got it. He would be, I think he would be, you'd have a good time with him. Okay. I mentioned John Goodwin, who is the guy who wrote most of the songs when I had my, you know, after Crazy Heart, I got, you know. Your music flared up. I had my music flared up, and I, you know, went out and got a band together, and we did a lot of John Goodwin tunes.

1:45:54Okay. uh bernie is no longer uh alive bernie glassman but his wife eve marco is alive but she's uh would be a wonderful guest she is still very uh involved with the zen peacemakers a guy named billy shore billy is the head of an organization called share our strength i love that title okay and T-Bone we mentioned T-Bone he lives in Nashville he might want to do this show his wife Callie Curry who wrote Thelma and Louise she's got she'd be interesting who else would be and if some other ones come up you can always send us I'll just I'll just send it to you man that'd probably be easier um also on the way out you'll be able to hear that Suno song if we can put it in if rights will be clear to my future how that works but we'll let I don't have no idea.

1:46:46It's the first time I ever did anything like this. So I haven't heard about it. But we'll put it at the end and see what it thinks of all this. And yeah, man, I just appreciate your time, dude. Yeah. Thank you so much, Jeff Bridges. And Gary's agent. He'll contact you. Invoice us. Yeah.

1:47:35Jeff said, brother, watch it close Theo said, that sure sounds wild One eye on the future One eye on the smile Theo and Jeff talk all night Danger and promise in the same light Theo and Jeff pass that test One more idea and the room gets blessed Theo and Jeff, yeah, let it roll Country boys talking to the edge of the soul