#667 - Duncan Trussell

36:14military is in control of the reptilians, they transported him to a moon prison where - This guy you interviewed? Yeah. He was on a prison on the moon. And how did he get to the interview to send an Uber? What? I don't know how they get him to the moon. No, how did he get to your interview? Calling. Oh, God, yeah. He called in from Florida.

36:41He called in from Florida, dude. Which is basically our version of like, that's our version of like alienism these days. That's right. It's a call in from Florida. He called in from Florida. He's a very sweet guy, by the way. Really good storyteller. And here's where it gets really weird. So, you know, they're torturing you up there on the moon. But also, as it turns out. Was he a Mexican guy? Sorry to interrupt you. Was he a Mexican guy? I don't know his ethnicity. It was a call in, so I didn't get to see him. Why do you ask? Because all Mexican dudes want to go to space. you know they don't act like it none of them act like it but i got like a couple of close uh mixing friends they all want to go to space well don't you want to go to space yeah kind of not that much anymore like i don't know like i if i want to like if i'm going i'm going to leave i'm not going to go out there and come back i'm not gonna be some little bitch that's like i'll be back you're not gonna bezos you're not gonna go up in a little fucking dick rocket and float around up there i don't even think bezos went up there did he i think did he go up there he just sent up like five or six people that i think that i heard that he wants to smash or whatever dude and then brought him back down it was like one it's like someone of his little flying smash buckets yeah he's been he flew on a suborbital suborbital i don't know if that counts man fuck no aboard the new shepherd rocket i want to go out of orbit i want to go toward like somewhere in between earth and the moon dude you can hit suborbital just taking a direct flight up to calgary dude oh wait he did do it 10 minute flight crossed the car the carman line the recognized boundary of space and reach an apogee but you know bezos sending a bunch of hotties up in his rocket is the modern day equivalent of like driving ladies around in your corvette it's like what oligarchs do to get laid it's just like i'm gonna send you up to space yeah but yeah you know that's true so the guy who's been to space and was molested in a moon prison gets ubered over to you oh he's a call in he was molested in a moon but you're right this is but I'm sorry, it's not funny.

38:42Let me know. First of all, whether or not it's funny or not, I need to point out something, Theo. I did not say he got molested in the moon prison. You knew it. Why? Why do you know that? Were you in the gate program? Yes.

39:01Dude, guys, oh my God. You weren't gifted and talented. Yes, I was. You know what that was. Yeah, it was easy to get into in our town. Okay, but do you know what it was? Yes. Oh, I've heard that there's possibilities that they were, it was like a CIA, like a PSYOP. Not a possibility. Really? You can look that up. No way. Are you serious? Dude, you can look it up. So the idea was, it kind of makes sense. If you're running a country, who are the smart kids, right? You want to find out the super smart kids. You create a program that separates those kids from the rabble. And then via that, in that program, you can start assessing them to see whether or not they'd be good to work in intelligence, CIA, covert programs, or just like any like federal job.

39:50And then you start grooming those kids. And where it gets like into the deep conspiracy stuff is they were looking for kids who had like telepathic ability. Oh, I thought nice legs or something you're going to say. So it wasn't like that. That too. It wasn't like that. It wasn't like a pedophilic thing. So go ahead. They were looking for kids that had what? Yeah, the secret, look. Telepathic ability? Public school operated by local school districts, blah, blah, blah, to provide military intelligence. The secret military unit focused on psychic espionage and remote viewing, often called the Stargate Project.

40:26But what's that? That's not our thing. Yeah, it is. We weren't military intelligence, dude. We weren't doing shit. We were at my side of the mountain. Well, right. That's what you remember. but do you remember the did you get the weird headphone test yeah what the fuck was that do you remember the weird shit they made you drink it kind of is true dude they had this fucking headphone test we would take like once every quarter yeah what the fuck was that what was that what does that have to do with being gifted and talented testing your hearing what is that why they put that on us why they make us drink that weird pink shit what were they doing to us why do most people don't remember it as well as you do most people it's a foggy weird memory the The whole thing was some kind of bizarre federal program.

41:08You think that that's true? Look, I look, there's now, I mean, this is one of the many like conspiracy theories that is not so much a conspiracy theory anymore that you could look it up. You could see some of it is obviously speculation. Some of it's real. So we don't know. But yeah, what were they doing? They wanted to find kids who would be great assassins. Fuck, dude. And none of our kids made it then. I didn't make it. Did you make it through? Did they kick you out of the gate program? No, I stayed in and then it got a little too homeworky for me at one point. Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot. It was a lot.

41:43I wasn't a company man. That's what it was. At a certain point, I think I wasn't a company man. You got it. So funny. I have never thought about this in years, dude, but yeah, we had to go off in this special building and learn out there or whatever. Yeah. They separate you. They separate you. And it was very strange. I think I made it like two weeks before they kicked me out. What? yeah I just think they were like the test didn't work he's a fucking idiot like I don't I don't think it had anything to do with like compliance or non-compliance you seem like they would have you would have been their target well I didn't make it I didn't make it in I didn't get to be in the secret space program and maybe that's a good thing but yeah according to this guy there's brothels on the moon it'll change the way you look at the moon there's brothels the miners on the moon are geniuses like well who brought the fucking miners up there fucking Is it Lutnik in them or whatever?

42:30Dude, I don't know. You don't want to get lost in the weeds when a dude is telling you about fucking on the moon. Yeah, you're right. Because he was banging on the moon. You're lying. He said he was fucking on the moon? He was fucking on the moon. Oh my gosh. They have brothels. In between getting tortured, you get to go to the moon brothels. Okay, hold on. It's the best. It's the best. What? Hold on a second, dude. You got to just listen to the episode. Like, I'm not even doing it justice because there's so much more detail. There's kind of a love story. He kind of like fell in love with a nurse.

43:10Like, it's kind of romantic. And, you know, he talks about all these densities. Like, the way they shift you to get to the moon is like the reptilians are on the fourth density. We're on the third density. Aliens function like at a different vibrational frequency. they have devices that shift your frequency and can reverse age you so i could see that be impossible some of it i you just who knows well because you know what you start to see that frequency stuff you've seen that frequency when people put the sand on certain things in frequency cymatics it's called cymatics yes yes bring up some cymatics if you can just so we can see what we're talking about cymatics if you haven't seen this it's basically they put sand and correct me if i'm wrong dungan they put sand on a paint on like a flat plane yeah and then they play music through it and the sand forms certain like kind of like snowflakes or text like figures or textures or designs that's right predictable uh geometries from various frequencies they it produces these like interesting um patterns that sometimes kind of look like crop circles and that's ketamine on that plate is it really it works way better with i would always do this before i snorted ketamine and put it on a cymatic plate set it to yep 47 dude what if you crunched up a bunch of fritos on there it would work it'd probably be like you're fat you'll die young into a scale yeah yeah but this is real stuff so this is four to two yeah so these are the hertz different hertz they put through and if you've never seen this it's unbelievable that so this makes me think that we could just like this some way that if you put a different frequency through us you could then transfer us from one place to another because you could shape us in a different way to be able to be transported exactly and you know what is like when i think of this shit i just think of like oh right like when people get into conspiracy theories and stuff inevitably there's like this hierarchy where there's someone controlling someone else who's controlling someone else and it's like it's it's reptiles all the way down like where does it stop like who's like ultimately in control but i think of where it's like, well, maybe like the way things keep repeating throughout history in sort of the same way because there's these various frequencies that exist on planet Earth.

45:32There's frequencies that create power dynamics, that create authoritarianism, tyranny, fascism, like cruelty, war. And you can tune into that frequency. And the more you tune into that frequency, the more you like, your shape changes. Why would that not be? Dude, that's such a, that's cymatics, the study of visible sound and vibration demonstrating how acoustic frequencies organize physical matter in a geometric pattern. Because the human body is largely water, sound waves travel rapidly through us, making it possible to use frequency and vibration for various wellness, therapeutic, and clinical applications.

46:07Dude, this is one of the most unbelievable things that I've really, I think that I've thought about in a while, because if you see that, do that to that sand, right yeah and if you know yeah what if you put a frequency on that's like i'm gonna feel this way or this is the frequency that's tuned into this almost like a new radio station for yourself like instead of tuning into like no frequency where i'm just at the whims of the fucking at the uh byproduct and like exhaust of corporate you the corporate universe we live in i'm just wandering through that frequency all day what if i spent time tapping into a frequency that actually brought me some peace or frequency that brought like it made me exude like love or possibility or hope or power or protection yeah that well i mean this is a choice you know you're sitting on the toilet taking a shit looking at whatever the algorithm's feeding you you'll notice the algorithm and i'll throw the shit out the window hopefully it hits someone so it i well you can aim right but also so it hits someone and boosts their spirits i know but what i'm saying is you don't have to just randomly throw it you can aim you can slingshot it uh but go on so you're sitting on the toilet going well i'm you're ever all of us are like staring into these hypno rectangles the algorithm at least my algorithm oh my god it's fucked up it's just showing me like horrible things or people in the midst of psychotic episodes or people in the forest drinking their period blood or you know just a it's wild chaos and it's witchcraft new beverages yeah but it's crazy dude you'll go from like it is crazy dude there's they're definitely scrambling our brains and they're we're starting to like with the things you see because you'll see like uh genocidal killings of children right children looking kid looking for his mother for 70 days yes finally finds landmine in palestine you know like a landmine wearing his mother's dress yeah and they killed the child or whatever horrible you'll see that but then immediately it's like 40 % off these ASICs, you know?

48:07And you're like, that's right. That's right. But it starts to confuse your brain because your brain, it takes the depth of one that's so deep and one that means nothing really at all. You got it. And then it puts them kind of all in the same plane. You better watch out because you just articulated something that I've learned from Metzger, which is really like, it's, it's for me, like it's, believe it or not, I'm kind of skeptical about stuff but this one like it's hard for me to dispute so he he says that uh assassinations public assassinations create trauma cultural trauma charlie kirk did you notice the charlie kirk assassination everyone saw yes before they shut it down all of us had to watch that shit happen right so this produces trauma the trauma response opens you up to conditioning it's the same shit kidnappers use.

49:00It's the same shit people who torture you use. They freak you the fuck out so that you kind of disassociate. You don't want to be there. You go into a kind of sad, foggy place. And then in that place, they show you the ASICS commercial. In that place, they give you some propaganda. In that place, they give you a solution so this will never happen again. This is a known technique for mind controlling people. So anytime there's assassinations it's not just like power dynamic shift it's cultural dynamic shift because they inject that moment with however they want to shift the the tide right so wow so so instagram is or any social media is kind of doing this but like low level right so you look you you know suddenly you're microdosing it yeah exactly opening like freaking you out and then what do you know you're and then where it gets really creepy is the commercial you're getting isn't just from the algorithm it's because your phone heard you talking about wanting to like what's the best fishing rod to catch catfish yeah and then so right after you watch a furry eat a hot dog with a human turd in it yeah and you're like what what's happened to the world like a an ad for like fishing rods comes up you're like oh cool i should get that fishing rod and dude speaking in hot dogs dude footlong hot dogs that should count as white people eating footlong hot dogs should count as reparations dude i think oh my god disaster i'm just saying like disaster at a baseball game whatever having to eat them in public dude it's so fucking scary it's crazy that that's that's accepted that that's not studied yeah and that's the kind of thing that they're getting us to do it's like these little they're and they're sitting in a fucking like globe like They're sitting in a snow globe on the moon outside of a brothel on the moon that they own, probably just descaling their skin with their reptilian brush.

50:59You got it. And then they're watching us just streaming countless hours of us eating foot-long hot dogs. You got it. And then they hit you with the reparations thing. Will you sign for reparations? Yeah, whatever it is. It's like, you know, it's, but the reality of it is you're, you know, a vampire only goes where they're invited. That's a vampire rule for some reason. Never understood it, but a vampire only goes. So if a vampire comes to your door, they'll always ask like, can I come in? And if you say no, they won't come in. I don't get it, but that's vampire mythology. So your phone is the fucking vampire and you're inviting it in every time you stare at it.

51:42you're saying, please contaminate me with a combination state propaganda, propaganda from other countries, corporate propaganda, and like just weird shit. Like you're in, we're all inviting this in. You, all you got to do is stop, which I can't. It's hard. It's hard. It's almost impossible. You can do, I think there's ways to do better. The ways that I've found that helped me are one, some meditation helps i do meditation every day now it's not a ton 10 minutes but it helps some days i'll get in two sessions but it's not a ton but it gives me a little bit more space sometimes like i don't need that it'll be times like let me look at my phone right now i don't need that and then the other thing i think is different types of plant medicine can help you can help give a little bit that more you to connect you back to nature those are the two that i know well but it's too much man i think 10 minutes of meditation a day is actually pretty admirable man a lot of people can't do that that's you shouldn't beat yourself up about that i mean like how long were you told to meditate i don't know i just feel like the good people do it for such a long time 20 minutes maybe like yeah that like 20 minutes seems good um but they did have those monks who were those don't monks meditate yeah man yeah well dude but then they found those monks with meth or whatever can you look that up what those meth monks oh yeah there were were they smuggling dope?

53:02No. What was it? A third of monks at a temple in Thailand. That's gotta be hard to meditate. A third of the Buddhist monks at a temple in northern Thailand have tested positive for meth. Six out of 18 monks at Wat Provem in Pijit province were disrobed after failing surprise drug tests during a police raid on Monday. Officers also found meth pills, a homemade gun, and bulleted in the temple. What? A gun? That's good. Oh my God. A gun? Dude, a gun is the total opposite of being a monk. That is a crazy temple. And that is, I just, do you think a meth would help you meditate? A meth would help you meditate?

53:43No, you would be like, dude, you would be doing all the prayers like as fast as you could. It'd be like, our father who art in heaven, I'm going to live down north in his heaven. I'm going to give us a ride in the earth. Give us a ride in the earth. Amen. I don't think those monks are doing the Lord's Prayer. But that's what they're doing. I think they're probably in a crazy contest online to do the Lord's Prayer as fast as they can. Oh, money, but me.

54:08That's 11 seconds. Yeah. Bro, new record. Fuck you, dude. That's what they're doing. That's how, but dude, that's how distracted we've gotten. Monks are doing math and they're having contests to read the Lord's Prayer as fast as they can. Probably, probably. I mean. And they had a gun. The guy had a gun. You're paranoid. You're fucking paranoid. You're on meth. It's the next step. You get a gun. Dude, maybe you have a copy of the Chantaram under your pillow. Maybe. That's the most risque thing you're supposed to have as a monk. Yeah, dude. That's wild. That's just, it just was, I guess that's what's happening right now, man.

54:45People are, people are fucking snorting meth in temples. They disrobed them. I know. Which is wild. but I bet you're hot if you're all methed out I bet you want your robe off you're not really a monk yeah dude my buddy was a monk for like almost I think almost six months or whatever what kind of monk I'm not sure it was an organ what color were his robes I think his robes was just orange kind of probably a Buddhist monk yeah yeah Buddhist monk and he said that they would sit around this is kind of crazy but he said sometimes they would sit around and draw hair on each other because they all had their heads shaved and they would sit around for fun and draw hair on each other and it was kind of like the low key kind of a sweet thing that I heard it's weird I don't know man that creeps me out the other guys are doing methamphetamines I don't know what is worse

55:42they were probably drawing hair on each other too there should be a contest to see how fast Can someone say the Lord's Prayer, dude? You want to do a race? Do you think you can do it? Do you know it? Yeah, I know it. Okay, then let's try. You go first, all right? Zach, will you time us?

56:05You can tell me when to start or should I just start? Yeah, how does it work? I'm going to count you down. Ready? Three, two, one. Our Father art in heaven, I will be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us, and trust us, and review those who trust us against us, and lead us not in temptation, but deliver us from evil. for thine is the kingdom, the power, the glory forever and ever. Amen. That was good. But I kind of slurred. 9.8. Under 10 is great, dude, especially this time of year. All right. You mean the summer heat?

56:32Let me think. All right. Do me. Three, two, one. Our Father, who art in heaven, I will be out of the name of the kingdom, come and I will be on earth as heaven. Give us a daily bread. Give us a daily bread. Oh, yeah. Another chance. Give him another chance. You stumbled. It's okay. I missed some words. Give us a daily bread and forgive us of our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us. Let me try one more time. Three, two, one. Where did it start again? Our Father. Okay, our Father. Let's call our Father. Okay, because we only had to step that. Go on. Three, two, one. Our Father, we are in heaven.

57:12Hallelujah. By the name of the kingdom come, that will be done in order to do not. Give us a daily bread and forgive us. Give us this our daily bread and forgive those who trespass against us. No. That's the devil getting in you there, making you stutter. That's the mosquitoes. That's the Texas devil flies. Got your tongue. That's a tongue burculosis. Yeah, it's right. Got the consumption, spiritual consumption. You got to let the Holy Spirit flow through you, Theo. Hey, pretty lady, won't you give her a sign? I give anything to make you mad or mad. Praise God. Praise God. You know that Mountain Dew.

57:44You know it. it makes me think about? Summertime. That hot part of the calendar. You know how it works. You know when the calendar just gets hot. It gets so hot. Sometimes I'll call the government. I'll say, can you turn it down? We can't handle it. It would get so hot. And then you'd have to open up the windows. But then the hot would come in, you know. And then it'd get so hot inside, you have open up the doors and in the hot would go out and in and out it was just a lot of hot thankfully i had me some mountain dew just a refreshing it was like the heavens cut the faucet on and i could just enjoy myself just just doing just doing myself with that mountain dew i liked it If I had me a can of two of Mountain Dew, I'd go out and pet every dog in town.

58:47That's how I just became like that neighborly American, you know. That's how I became. I'd be shaking the hands of local raccoons and politicians and all of them, you know. I'd watch the wind go by, maybe whistle at it. Let it know I had a way of making my own little breeze right there. something about that summertime and and just having a little bit of mountain dew in you maybe you would just want to get out there and just kiss a bald eagle you know and sometimes you'd settle for your grandmother or whatever you know they'll kiss on the cheek whatever you know pop pop didn't mind what i'm saying is this mountain dew it's just it's an alternative to the heat, but it's also part of, it's part of summer.

59:44But dude, you win, first of all. Congratulations. Thank you so much. 9.8 seconds. That was really good. Yeah. I actually, I can't believe, I have a, you know, that's wild. For our father in under 10 seconds. I think it's good. And I would love to see other people if they want to challenge Duncan on that. They will crush me. There's going to be critiques too. There's different ways to say it depending on what denomination you are. I think that was what I learned as an Episcopalian, but I think there's my wife's Catholic. I think they say parts of it are different, but I don't know if that's going to add or subtract seconds.

1:00:14Dude, my girl Catholic, but that p***y Baptist, you feel me? Let's go! Yeah! I hear you! I'm just making up. I don't have a girl, but if I did... You don't have a girl? No, but she'd be cute if I did. Wow, it must be tough to find a girlfriend for you, huh? Just a handsome dude with a super successful podcast. One day I'm going to get one. I mean, it'll happen. Famous comedian? I think, you know what? there is like an age where I think it gets a little bit weird. And then maybe I'm just, you know what? I think some of the stories I tell in my head, I got to change a little bit. Yes, dude. There's, and you know, it's funny.

1:00:46I never said that. I've never said that before. You've never said that. Come on. There's a book. Not really. No, but the ones I'm telling myself, cause I don't even realize they're being told. They've just been written on this wall, like these old, like this is the way it is or whatever. It's like, dude, I'm going to find somebody great. Of course it takes time. Everything in my life is taking time. And, um, I don't want to get somebody that's just like, you know, like I want to have some fun. But at the same time, like, yeah, I want I want somebody that's going to be as perfect a fit as I can get.

1:01:15Dude, if there's this book and it sounds like bullshit. And I actually got the book because I was watching that documentary on NXIVM. You know, NXIVM called Keith Raniere. You know about that? Yeah, we had a guy on here from NXIVM, didn't we? No, we had a guy who got bit by a dog at a NXIVM event. What? I'm not even joking. Who was that guy? That sucks. He was fine. He was like at a cult event and a dog bit. And he got bit by a dog, but that's how he got involved with the cult. Whoa. Oh, that was it. Oh, no. Michael Rosenbaum, no, not him. That's, yeah. Oh, he was talking about Allison McSex cult.

1:01:49Yeah. There was another guy who'd been cured of, oh, he got cured by, of. OCD. Yeah. Cured. Or autism. Cured by Nivexum. Yeah. Cured by Nivexum. Mark Elliott. Yeah. Bro, look at me right there. I was young. It's AI.

1:02:09You look younger now. Well, I'm older now, but also, I'm definitely older if I keep telling myself that. I'm a fucking boss. I'm a fucking nine-year-old, you little f***.

1:02:21Mark Elliott, a former motivational speaker and loyal follower of Keith Renier and his organization of Ex-Im, a purported self-improvement company. I believe he got bit by a dog. I could be wrong, but I thought the dog, something happened. He got cured. He was diagnosed with Hirschsprung's disease. A rare intestinal disease at birth. Elliott was returning home from a camp via Greyhound bus when he repeatedly shouted an anti-black racial slur at black passengers. That's called riding Greyhound, first of all. uh at the and i think some of that comes with the price of your ticket i believe also yeah i rode g hound for a long time shout out hound uh well oh because he had tourettes though that's why did he ever cure it did they say he claims they cured it he cured it it's in the documentary like it shows people being like um it did not cure my tourettes in any way oh well then why did we have him on the podcast he said he did in the documentary that i saw it was well I mean it was claiming that they cured it so maybe it says it didn't cure his Tourette's but I thought I can't remember exactly what happened in the episode it was just like 7 years ago in the documentary I saw some people it seemed like it was helping but I heard about this book on this documentary and I was fascinated by this Ranieri guy because it's like you see him and he doesn't really seem like somebody who would successfully start a sex cult Bringing him up.

1:03:46You know what I mean? Can you picture me on screen? No judgment or anything, but it wouldn't be like the first person I would guess. You look at like, pull up a picture of like young Charles Manson. Right. And Keith Raniere. Manson you look at and you're like, okay, there he is. Right. This dude was getting ladies to brand his name into their fucking bodies. No way. Yes. Yes. Now, you look at him and you wouldn't guess that, but pull up like a picture of Manson. That's some Montana shit. Young Manson. ring young manson or not that young but you know that manson i could see you look at him like yeah i can i could see you starting some kind of sex cult i could see your members cutting swastikas into their foreheads but this dude looks like like somebody your mom dates before she marries your stepdad but this dude does look like he has a dark side to him dude oh yeah this is just all based off of one photo but that guy looks like yeah yeah he dates your mom you think he's nice he comes in the house and says cool stuff yeah but he doesn't come through with kind of his promises and then you see him yelling at your mom outside of the apartment window yeah man yeah that's that fucking that's that's what it is Keith Rainier could we get him on here he's in jail he is maybe you could call him from jail dude jail that's the most sex trafficking you could ever do it's bumper to bumper in there dude no he in this guy he like it's in the documentary is incredible and you know obviously like it's horrible like doing this shit's horrible But when you just watch it in terms of like, whoa, like the ambition, like, oh my God, how did you pull that off?

1:05:18And so they mentioned this book, Psycho-Cybernetics, which sounds like horseshit. The name sounds stupid. But I got this book and started listening to it. And it's this plastic surgeon wrote the book. And he noticed that you would give plastic surgery to people and their personalities would change fix their nose and they would turn into these different people and so his premise is that there's sort of an internal visual image of yourself inside of you and so so basically like if you look at what you think about throughout the day and a lot of people worry ruminate they're constantly bringing up things they're afraid of in the future or should they wish they didn't do in the past.

1:06:08And this is what's creating the you. You're habitually running through a Rolodex of bad memories and internal fears and stuff. And so, he's saying that what's really cool about that is it shows you how disciplined you are. You think you have no control over that, but you do. It's just habit. And so, what he says is, there's a lot of techniques in there but one of them is what happens if you and you start habituating yourself to remembering good moments in your life instead of bad moments in your life and it sounds so obvious but when you every time you find yourself getting freaked out over that fucking memory the thing what you're worried about the thing you replace it and he said and he says it doesn't have to be a big thing like winning a marathon he's like he uses the example of when you learn to tie your shoes yeah you know some just when somebody smiled at you yes when you smiled at someone yeah that that's enough and you start replacing this habitual rumination with good memories even if they're from the distant past it doesn't matter all of a sudden your life starts changing because your inner identity will begin to conform to the things.

1:07:29It'll begin to lead your outer identity. That's right. Yeah. You start making different choices. All this stuff changes in your life. So his point is you don't really need to get plastic surgery. He was saying that some people get a scar on their face and it makes them more powerful. I think the Nazis, the fencing Nazis, if you got a scar on your face, it means you were like a great fencer. But some people get a scar on their face, ruins their life. So obviously what's going on there is not the external appearance. Wow, it's how you're wearing it. You got it. Dang. And I wonder if, what if we all just don't even, I've long thought this.

1:08:13what if we all don't realize there's so much more capability that we have that we just don't know i believe that that's such a truth like what if you could think your way into looking somehow different like that's almost that's almost it's interesting for a plastic surgeon to say that because it's like yeah what if people could think or believe themselves yeah into actually that you're that you would then visually somehow look different like i know it probably would be tough to really unstructure your, like it wouldn't, skeletally that would be probably impossible. But on a different type of level or could your skeleton morph over time?

1:08:49It's interesting to think that, wow, if I had enough of belief or if I pervade this type of energy or I just envisioned it enough that I would actually become the thing that I envisioned. Well, pull up like an early picture of Marilyn Monroe before she got famous. I go visit her grave sometimes. You really do? Is she in Nashville? She lives, or she dies, I guess. She lives in a coffin around the corner from where I live. She lives in a coffin. In Westwood, I mean. That's the craziest way to say dead. Or what I'm saying is she, yeah, she's deceased, sorry. She's living in a coffin now. Yeah, but she's, yeah.

1:09:28That's her? Yeah. So that's Marilyn Monroe. No, bro. Yeah, yeah. Now, I will say this. She's an attractive young lady. she's not the Marilyn Monroe that we envision when you're beautiful that's you sure that's her yeah like find some other like early pictures of Marilyn Monroe before she was famous I don't know how you find that because like a lot of these are like modeling pictures but when you look at them it's like there you go and like you know obviously you could say I'd suck her feet still but you could say that this was you know lighting makeup and stuff like that but there's a story I heard I don't know if it's true or not.

1:10:05Marilyn Rowe is at a diner. She's with one of her, I think, childhood friends. And no one even knows it's Marilyn Rowe. And Marilyn Rowe says to her friend, do you want to see what happens when I become her? And her friend's like, yeah. And so all of a sudden, she does something and turns, essentially, shape shifts. She embodies Marilyn Rowe. And everyone in the cafe starts looking at her like, oh my God, that's Marilyn Rowe. So this is what this dude is talking about. And how many times have you been with a person who maybe isn't classically beautiful, but their personality is so amazing that you start falling in love with it.

1:10:49You realize the physical appearance, it's nothing compared to this spirit inside of them. And the coverse sadly happens where you're around a beautiful person and you realize, oh, my God, this is a monster. and it's so fascinating. It's just the shell, it's like a lampshade or something. It's like what kind of light is shining through? Dude, that's a great way to say that, man. It's like a lampshade. There it is. The Marilyn Monroe Shapeshifter story refers to a famous anecdote where she could alter her appearance simply by changing her posture and energy. When walking down a busy street unnoticed as Norma Jean, she would turn to a companion and ask, do you want to see her?

1:11:27And instantly transform into the iconic Marilyn. People who were with Marilyn during these moments, such as her friend Eli Wallach or the actress Susan Strasberg noted that she changed nothing about her clothes or makeup. Instead, the transformation was a masterclass in embodiment. Wow. It's wild. That stuff is wild that you could do that. But it is interesting, yeah, how I feel. What do I carry? What am I going to take outside with me today? What am I going to take inside with me today? You know? And I applaud parents because I know their lives get so busy and the time that they have to even take for themselves.

1:12:01and the time that one of them is like, hey, will you keep watch for a little bit while I just go meditate for 10 minutes or brush my teeth or pat myself on the back or cry in the bathroom. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah, it gets wild. It really does. I think that's a real war. It's a real tandem. It's a real, if it's working well, I bet it's a real tandem thing. And sometimes it's painful and sometimes it's beautiful and sometimes it's probably a lot of things. But I applaud the amount of time parents has has to be like. Oh my God. Well, you know, but the thing is, and you're right, and you're totally right.

1:12:38The amount of free time I have now compared to the free time I used to have. Like, I could spend days, days alone in my house, blasting Rails Academy, completely alone, happily alone, playing video games alone. And I would get bummed out if I had something to do, like, two days, two days away. I'd be stressed out. Bro, that's when you know you're going to be doing some drugs. Oh, yeah, man. But now I have what people would call free time. But what is free time? The real question is like the example that I've been taught in Buddhism is we all have a version, a place where this is where I'm going to feel all right.

1:13:27and for like a lot of people maybe not touring stand-up comics but for a lot of people that could be a hotel room a nice hotel room you can order room service the tv the soft bed no disturbances phone is off now i will relax so this creates a terrible tension between every other moment like everyone has their place what the place or everything this is where i'm going to be it's for some people it's just coming home after a hard day's work sit on the couch whatever it is for some people everyone has their little oasis in their mind this is the place yeah but the idea is this is an illusion the oasis is an illusion you go into that place the place isn't giving you relaxation the place isn't giving you peace you're deciding this is where i will be at peace theoretically you could do that through the whole fucking day your whole day could theoretically become that place that you're hoping to get to when you have enough money when you finally get a vacation when you finally get some a moment to yourself and this is what i have read is one of the definitions of enlightenment enlightenment this is a definition i heard um because it's even defining it is difficult and who the fuck knows but the idea is what if every place you are at was free time even though it was filled up right with all kinds of activity even though there were things you had to do what if you were maintaining this sense of like yeah this is where i belong this is good this is the vacation and this is in in in the third patriarch of zen and he wrote this great book.

1:15:16And who doesn't he learn this? Yeah, the first line, and I wish I could, the name is like, I think, Japanese. Can you look up the third patriarch of Zen? And yeah, that's it. And he wrote, the great way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. Your preferences are tormenting your ass. You want to be there. You don't want to be here. You want to be somewhere else. And when you're a parent, your preferences will destroy you. Wow. Because you obviously, there's moments that I just want to play Diablo 4, dude. I just want to sit on the fucking couch and play Diablo 4. I just want to be alone.

1:15:56I don't want to be around anybody for a second. That's a preference. And the more you cling to that, the more you'll suffer. The part of the soul that burns in hell is the part that clings to life. Wow. That Meister Eckhart. But dude. Dude, I think about that stuff a lot, dude, with like, sometimes with like reliving old parts of my past or old stories or just like, yeah, old things that happen. It's like, how long do I want to think I have to figure this out before I just want to set up some barricades for myself now? That's like, hey, we're not going to go try to figure that out anymore. We're just going to move on, right?

1:16:32and we're going to move on and we're going to put boundaries in place so that when this thing or the or certain types of people or this energy comes around that this is how we're going to behave towards it yeah and we're not going to be like mean to it but this is how we're going to operate now instead of like i get stuck in this place of like well i'll figure this out or a little more therapy and this and that and the therapy and stuff it's all good right it's all helpful it's all like puts a magnifying glass on things that are cool but um but to at some point be like, you know, this path, it's a lot.

1:17:05I don't know. I've been on this, this path for a while. Let me try to do something else. Let me try to move forward. Let me try to not even let this be up. Like let, let, let me really let this be part of the past instead of going back to the past to solve something. Like that's the thing. Sometimes I keep going back to the past to solve the present where it's like, let me try and do this, maybe a little bit different. And, um, so I've just been thinking about that recently um thanks so much for some of the chats dude i want to find out what's what's a rabbit hole or like something that you guys have learned um on mystery on mystery boys um but i just want to get this update the guest mark elliott clarifies that he does not claim to have been cured of tourette syndrome instead he describes his experience as a journey where he found a way to master the condition noting that while the symptoms have drastically reduced he still feels the urge occasionally and works to change his relationship with it that's interesting yeah write it down that's what i do dude write it down um with mystery boys what is a rabbit hole kind of that you or something new that you guys have like latched on to that's been like really interesting to go down that you and metzger have uh have i gotta give full credit to metzger for most of the rabbit holes like i'm telling you this guy he like it's do you think he's good or evil when you think about him he's good okay very good this is a pop quiz man do you why do you think he's no i don't i was asking you he actually texted me and told me to ask you that are you kidding me i'm not kidding you at all so it's just a good oh he's the sweetest i know him i'm i've i've already decided how i feel about he's good really good okay i wouldn't do a fucking podcast with an evil person why would you do that to yourself that's horrible dude do you ever think what if one day you got home years from now and you started to notice like something like the like your skin around your chin or something and you started peeling it and then you took it off and what if we were the aliens dude oh my god oh my god like this whole time yeah we've been trying to hunt the aliens sure and then you peel you're like what is that dude you think it's acne and it's just fucking abracadabra you're an alien oh my god and then you peel the alien mask off and you're human yeah and you're a cool black guy so what the fuck are you man yeah what are you to turn it up

1:19:26yeah you know spin that shit uh how about this dude i'll give you a quick one yeah take me down but i want to go down a rabbit hole okay and that was uh and no kurt didn't ask that either i was joking around dude he's far from evil but um metzger did uh give me a little bit of trivia which I'd never heard before, which is the most batshit thing ever. So John Wayne Gacy, the famous serial killer. From Illinois, yeah. Horrible motherfucker, the clown. Yeah, pedophile. John Wayne Gacy, pedophile fucking clown. Just horrible human being. Lazy too, lazy. Killed people, put him under his house. Oh yeah.

1:20:08He said that if he was guilty of anything, it was running a funeral home without a license because he had rotting child corpses under his fucking house also weirdly political and um so john wangacy was executed on a solar eclipse which is already weird like what you know you know there's gonna be eclipse that day right why are you executing one of the most notorious serial killers like on the day that like in a horror movie that's how you get a zombie a freddy krueger that's how you get a demon or something execute the person it's a solar eclipse they come back to life or they haunt your dreams so that's just weird by itself but coincidentally jeffrey dahmer was baptized and i'm not sure into what denomination of christianity on the same day another fucking serial killer baptized while during the execution of like so so so a spiritual realm is open yes and a uh and a calendar a seasonal a what realm would that be what do you mean like the the the spiritual realm is open with the baptism like there's a spiritual right like embodiment happening and in eclipses just so like in the west we think they're cool everyone goes out you get your eclipse glasses everyone goes out to look they are fucking cool i've been there they're amazing it's amazing to witness the temperature drops shadows get weird but like you know one of my friends who's like a shivite for real like who like you know hindu follower of Shiva um you know he was explaining to me like in India eclipses are not something you want to go out under like it's it's represents an opening where a lot of weird shit can come into this realm so you know his advice is don't um don't go outside during an eclipse like it's you don't understand the energies that are out there this is a one this is in their cosmology so it's a very powerful, even if you're not into the woo-woo stuff, it's a very crazy thing that happens.

1:22:28And birds stop singing. They think it's nighttime all of a sudden. It's just a very deep spiritual moment. So why? Why do you execute this monster during an eclipse? And why do you baptize another monster during the eclipse? And why on the same day? And how is that accidental? And maybe that's cymatics. I don't know. Maybe that's just part of the weird secret gears in the universe we don't know about. But to me, it's very fascinating when moments like that emerge. Right, when the curtains are open a little bit into the ethereal, into the next realm, when somebody's spiritually, when there's an anointment and an embodiment, And putting the, you know, blessing somebody with the embodiment of God, like bringing God into their heart, you know?

1:23:24Right, right. That's risky behavior, dude. Yeah, I wonder if, do you know if, it's kind of weird that we get people to go outside and look up into the eclipse then. Yeah. Was that always a practice? Or did people used to not stare into the eclipse? oh no dude people went blind for sure there's a famous people went blind just because they were eight years old back in the day well yeah you just go blind from drinking water yeah i mean dude imagine how scary dude everything was a game show like 200 years ago dude a cup of water you could get undehydrated or tuberculosis what do you want explosive diarrhea yeah you want to die of thirst or die of dysentery.

1:24:11Pick. One or the other. One or the other. No, people have not always looked at eclipses. Historically, witnessing an eclipse was often met with fear, awe, or strict avoidance rather than direct observation. Because ancient civilizations lacked scientific explanations, many cultures considered the darkening of the sun to be a bad omen or a disruption of the natural order. That makes sense. For sure. Many cultures believed a celestial creature was attempting to devour the sun. The Norse blamed sky wolves. The Chinese told tales of a celestial dragon and Aztecs believed the jaguar was eating the sun.

1:24:44People would often bang pots, scream, or shoot arrows into the air to frighten the monster away. And it worked. Yeah. But it is, when did we start seeing eclipses and going and watching them? I mean, forever. But when did it become a practice? Like, was there something that happened? Like, it was a big thing on television, like, go see the eclipse or whatever. It was always significant. I mean, it's just like, no matter what period in human history, like can you fucking imagine like not knowing what was going on why that was happening fun would we have had back then first of all you get to make up what's going on right or you just get to believe what's happening like you get to believe what's happening but i just think the imagine imagine everybody's imagination back then yeah and everybody's like storytelling like you had to have a piece of information to even you had to like life was probably scary you had to seem viable you had to fight for your existence probably well i mean this is what i think is interesting like you valued your life more because you're fucking your sibling was dying at home it was like let let let this day mean let this day mean something to me let this information that i'm reading to let it let the fact that i can absorb information let it mean something to me Right.

1:26:00You're saying that now maybe we've lost that, that people have become sort of numb, nihilistic husks who don't value their own existence like they did when you watched your friend get eaten by a wolf. Right. I think it's a tough – I think we are deeper in it than we know. I think we are up to our waist right now in it. In what? In the suction of the devil. Oh, right. In the suction of something deviant, in the suction of the dark arts, man, I believe that it is, we think we just have nice pants on, but we don't realize that we've invited these skins of like, you know, we've invited something, there's something very demonic going on.

1:26:40Do you think technology is inherently demonic? Oh my God. I mean, you, it, okay. So first, like, let's define demonic. Okay. So what is your definition of demonic? with intent to harm to let me see demonic I would say of Satan's will yeah with intent to be a succubus to the godliness that to the uh nature and morality and godliness that may that exists inside of us as a group and as individuals. Okay, so. Does that make sense or not? Did you have Bishop Robert Barron on your show yet? Cool guy. You gotta have him on. BRB? Yes. Damn, dude. You guys will hit it up. What a crazy though. You guys will hit it up.

1:27:33Crazy initials to have. Yeah, he's really cool. He was a - Sign him up, all right, Zach? I had him on my podcast. And what's really interesting is, actually having him on my podcast got me more interested in Christianity than any other time in my life. And the reason was not necessarily what he told me, though. He's a really cool guy, and obviously he's brilliant. He's a bishop, and he's obviously a theologian. He's Orthodox, Greek Orthodox? He's Catholic. Okay. Yeah. But what was really weird is I've had so many guests of all kinds of – I've had Satanists on the podcast. I've had witches on the podcast.

1:28:15I've had Hindus, Buddhists New Age people LSD chemists, I've had all kinds of Generally Wiggas? Gods, Dalmatians Never Bro, that's a road to go down That's the eclipse No, I probably have I have to go back and look at the catalog That's a human eclipse But dude, I have one Catholic bishop on And man People got so mad at me. And it was really interesting because it's like, wait a minute, what the fuck? Like, you guys didn't care when I had like people who - Were you trying to demonize the guy? Why'd they get mad? Well, because like basically what started bubbling up was that I moved to Texas. I'm having a bunch of fucking kids.

1:29:07I've become some kind of fundamentalist Christian. All this, like, I love religion. And I love Christianity. I love like, I'm fascinated by it. And the New Testament is so beautiful and so different from what most people think it is. Like when you sit down and actually read it yourself, if you have an idea of what Christianity is, you realize whatever that was is not what this is, which is to me a really sort of thrilling moment in studying any religion. Like if you're going to critique a religion or a philosophy, you really, I think, need to study it deeply. And then you can then go for it. Right.

1:29:46We got to start doing that more. I think on here is learning about some of the depths of different religions. Cause you see a lot of stuff online that can lead you in certain ways. Um, but demons, Satan, Satan and demons. I believe that Satan is way more active than we think. I think we got into this lush period of like, um, of self believing that something was taking care of us. Not that something doesn't love us. I believe that, but but we believe that something was taking care of us, that we didn't have to show up for our own salvation, not just religiously, but for our own salvation as human beings as well, for our own day-to-day salvation.

1:30:25Do you think that we are strong enough or care enough to save ourselves? Well, I mean, I hear what you're saying, And that's a really good question because I think you're pointing towards a misconception or in Buddhism what would be considered a distortion when it comes to what people think they are. So in Buddhism, this shows up as something called interdependency or dependent co-origination, which means that we're all connected. that the clothes that you're wearing, everything that you are, everything around you, everything is there because of causes and conditions that created the situation that we're in.

1:31:17So in other words, when you ask, are we enough to save ourselves? It points to a distortion, which is we think we are an individual self disconnected from the system. Right. And of course, we're not enough to save ourselves. And I don't just mean in a spiritual sense. I mean, everything that we consider that we need for survival around us right now is there because of the labor and work and energy of people you're never going to meet. The food was hauled in on trucks, the plastic in the Fiji bottle, your clothes, everything, your books, the trees that grew to make the wood for your son. All of these things point to a complete tapestry of existence, meaning there isn't such a self anyway.

1:32:09But if you think that you're a self, then if you're foolish enough to think you're all you need, it's like, look around you. Right. But I mean, I agree. But do you think we are strong enough to show up and save ourselves? You mean as a species? As a species, because I feel like we're kind of on the brink of this place where something could happen or like we're this like, like they're like, I don't know. It seems like darkness is trying to defeat us. Oh, yeah. And it feels like, are we strong enough to save ourselves? Because some days it feels like maybe in some days it feels like maybe not. Well, honest, I don't think I think that I think that the.

1:32:56I think a lot of people's suffering is related to self-cherishing. A lot of people's suffering is related to being misdirected. There is a misdirected force in the universe. Now, Bishop Barron, he was telling me, what is the definition of Satan? Like, what is it, the actual definition of Satan? What is it described as? And he said, it is the accuser, The scatterer, that which scatters. So if we're going to come up with a definition of the demonic, and the question is, is like this technology, demonic, and let's just throw the word Satan out for a second because that does create a knee-jerk reaction in people.

1:33:38A lot of people do have like religious trauma for real. And I know that word gets thrown around a lot, but some people are born into highly abusive households where religion is used as an excuse to fuck with the rational mind or people. It's not when - Right, I'm being a little bit flippant about it. No, I don't think you're being flippant. I think you're, I'm just - But you're just clarifying. Yeah, but so for some people, it's useful to throw out words like that. And just, you don't have to use that word if you don't. I think it's a useful word, but - I could mean the devil, the dark energy.

1:34:11Whatever you want to, you know, but Satan does have like some specific definitions. the scatterer and the accuser that's exactly what's going on what is technology doing it's accusing one group or another group of being the source of all the suffering in the world the accuser i've seen you theo accused of you know because of the people you have in your podcast it's all your fucking fault dude look what you've done right but it's not just you it's not just you It's what technology is doing, what the algorithm seems to be doing is creating these very clear, distorted distinctions between groups of people.

1:34:55Right. Which is anytime you have direct one-on-one contact with most people, they're awesome. They might be annoying. They might disagree with you. Might be chatty or whatever. Chatty. But in general, they all. They're good. People want to help. Yeah. People actually really want to help. It's very sweet. But I agree. You get behind these phones and it's like, I mean, there's so much racial. I have black friends that'll just be like, they act like they were slaves sometimes because of the fodder they get fed. They'll get stuff like, remember when you were a slave? And it's like, and I'm like, dude, Ronnie, what are you talking about?

1:35:30I'm like, your dad worked at Chase Bank, dude. Yeah. When were you a fucking slave? You were the best player on our team, dude. You got all the girls. You got all the white girls too. Yeah. Well, look at all the stories. But it's like, remember when you were a slave? Chew some of this slave gum, and it'll sell you slave. It'll be like, oh, remember this Richmond, Virginia gum, you know? Now it tastes like the 1870s, you know? Dude, they're trying to replace you. Yeah. If you're white, they're trying to replace you. You better watch out. You're going to be replaced. But there's some groups that never get pointed at.

1:36:01Well, what I'm saying is, if you look at the emergent, like, you could call the culture war stuff. I think you could actually identify this as a kind of religion or a LARP even. People are LARPing because the first thing that's happening is you're being invited to take a side. If you're a black person, okay, you need to be on the side of whatever. Slave gum or whatever. If you're gay, now you need to join the LGBT. You're part of this movement. If you're white, you're being replaced. If you're Jewish, the concentration camps are about to start up again. You can look and see that every single person on the planet, if you want to attach to a terrifying, horrible story, you can find it.

1:36:53And the moment you subscribe to it, you invite it in, your algorithm will be flooded with things to confirm your worst fears, giving you a sense that this is real, crystallizing the distortion. This is all happening in 2D space on your fucking phone, mostly. I'm not saying that there isn't obviously real evil happening in the world right now. But this moment right now, wherever you may be, this moment right now, it's pretty good. This is the kingdom of God. This is what I think Jesus was talking about. The kingdom of God is here right now. This is why the symbol of blindness appears again and again.

1:37:33uh, Saul of Tarsus, Saul of Tarsus, stoning fucking Christians, which to this day is very popular. You know, they're one of the most persecuted. It's one of the most persecuted religions to this day. And people get mad at me for saying that, but you can look it up. Oh, who Christianity. Yes. for sure. There's some, there's a lot of videos recently that you'll see. It's still happening in a lot of places. Very popular. Can you bring up the Saul of Tarsus story, please? Yeah. Saul of Tarsus. It's a great story. He became Paul. Saul of Tarsus. Thank you. Saul of Tarsus was a key observer and a proving bystander at the execution of Stephen, the first Christian martyr, rather than casting stones himself.

1:38:10Saul guarded the heavy cloaks of the witnesses while they carried out the stoning. Wow. And then who did he become? Saul of Tarsus, the road to Damascus. He's walking, has a vision of Christ. Jesus says, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? He's out of conversion experience. The story of Saul on the road to Damascus is a pivotal event in Christian history describing Saul of Tarsus, dramatic conversion, and the apostle Paul traveling to Damascus to arrest and persecute Christians who was blinded by a divine light and heard the voice of Jesus. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Now, there's a lot of interpretations of this event.

1:38:49Who knows? But this idea of blindness, Jesus curing the blind man, all this stuff, the blindness. This, to me, is the situation. We're kind of in a situation of - Blindness. An interesting kind of blindness because the modern mind thinks that they're very clear. They think that they're seeing things very clearly. They know a sophisticated person should be worried about, there's a list of things you should be worried about. This means you're on the right side and you're sophisticated if you're worried about the right things. Certain things, if you're worried about them, mean you're a fucking piece of shit, racist, bigoted piece of shit.

1:39:25You got to be worried about the right things. But what do they all have in common? Worry. You need to be freaked out. You need to be worried, scared. That bumper sticker. If you're not angry, you're not listening. Now, that's one of the most satanic bumper stickers I've ever seen in my fucking life. I think the devil himself printed that shit out. It's basically like, if you aren't angry, something's wrong with you. You need to be angry, scared, pissed off, judgmental. don't talk to those people don't look at those people don't think those thoughts everything about you is fucking wrong everything about them's wrong you got to be in a constant contorted state of deep anxiety fear and worry or you are not okay you are not a good person unless you're scared and we should there should be a score now that you get to see when you meet someone how much time have they spent on their phone yeah what what what apps have they been on yeah You know what I'm saying?

1:40:21Because it's kind of not even fair that these algorithms, there was just the Algorithm Act. What was that? They've been trying to get it passed for years now. And they've had some cases recently where Meta has been held liable. There was a girl that had a lot of suicidal thoughts and I believe had an eating disorder. I could be wrong with that. Or was dealing with Algorithm Accountability Act of 2025 focused on automated decision systems in critical areas, jobs, credit, housing, health, education. and this is according to perplexity. But yeah, it's like these algorithms should be held accountable.

1:40:54We are letting these, that's where the devil, it's like we're letting these things control because I'll watch stuff, I'll see some clips and if you look at one, then something else comes up and now you're down a rabbit hole. Then you see somebody from that group, whatever that is in real life and you could have an energy towards them. That's right. I mean, they got you thinking about reparations. Yeah. You're thinking about reparations a lot. Why? It keeps coming up on my feed. fucking algorithm is showing you this version of reality where there's people all over the place trying to get reparations which there are probably people there are people doing that yeah but probably not as many as you think there are because your algorithm is just like look look what they're doing look so then i see like a homeless guy and he's like hey can i get a buck i'm like oh okay oh reparations you want reparations and that's just because of the you're get you're you're you're right you're contaminating yourself we all have it i have it too everyone has everyone has it but that's the thing are we is there enough space to rise of is there enough space to rise above it i but i think here's the thing we have to believe that there is and envision a possibility that where there is otherwise there isn't so that's one thing um definitely is but dude even just the fake ai stuff just to make these a little softer to soften up the conversation soften it up um what's a fake ai story oh did you see what was the one brain i think i put it on the list of it's in my it's in my um oh yeah there was this girl kay oh yeah kaylee this was the lawsuit she had she uh she argued that features like infinite scrolling autoplay algorithm recommendations and beauty filters were engineered to make users engage compulsively um true what breaks my heart sometimes though or i don't know if it breaks my heart but it kind of makes me i don't know it makes me mad that i got to sit with some of these guys and they act like there's no crime in their algorithms they act like there's no like um like evil goals behind it and i think it's obvious yeah that anybody can see where we're headed isn't a great place so do you think some of these technocrats just don't have a moral compass because something must be wrong oh dude i mean that's a whole that's a deep fucking rabbit hole like you're okay because you're talking about like the Galapagos okay Galapagos Islands right weird creatures there because they're separated from everything else right so when we're talking about the Silicon Valley tech overlords we're talking about a weird kind of Galapagos Island where you've got this set group of people who've been there for a while who have been engineering the technology that is now being used for mass surveillance for blowing up palestinians for fucking exploding parts of the world and for hypnotizing children into like being glued to the fucking technology right and so you're looking at like essentially a warlock's guild these are the wizards of the world they are summoning spirits via ai a lot of them were into the occult you can look that shit up and regardless I think there's public records of some of them saying that they used BF Skinner the behaviorists um work and he was the guy who could make like pigeons tap dance and shit they coded that into the algorithm the same stuff they use for slot machines and stuff in Vegas I've seen that right so these are wizards illusionists so dude it's like do they know what they're doing yes they were they're they're making addictive technologies can they say that's what they were doing hell no Do you think it's a unified goal or do you think they all just happen to each have these things going on and that's where we are?

1:44:33Dude, I think that. And I want to come on y 'all show and we'll go down this rabbit hole. I love to. Listen, man. Because we're going to get into some softer stuff. This is what I do know. Before we get into the soft stuff, I do know this. Zuckerberg apparently doesn't let his kids on the fucking computer. Apparently, a lot of these tech people keep their kids off social media. I think I asked him about that, didn't I? What did he say? I think I said, do your kids use social media? Regardless, they have strict fucking guardrails for their kids using social fucking media. And that is interesting to me.

1:45:08It's like, if this shit's so okay. What's going on? Yeah. I think, let's check and see. I'll find out in just a second. I think we asked him about that. But yeah, this was one thing I was saying about this. Like, I remember watching this, right? Stopping things up. This was last year a little bit. But this is called Brain Bridge, right? Play this clip. Oh my God. This is going to blow your mind. A startup company called BrainBridge announced today that they believe that they will be able to successfully perform a head transplant surgery in the next eight years. The way that this would work is you would take a person with a perfectly healthy and active brain, but their body has cancer or paralysis, and transplant it to a brain-dead donor body.

1:45:52what's crazy is that they said that by doing this the person that's receiving the new body would still be able to maintain their memories cognitive abilities and consciousness they say that the brain could last several hundred years if it had a good working body and that that might be a potential in the future but that this would also give people with different ailments a second chance wow i mean but this came out and i remember uh a guy sent it to me i'm not going to say who it was but like kind of like a certain type of person. Yeah. Sent it to me. Yeah. From Birmingham or whatever. And he's like, man, this is scary, you know?

1:46:29And I'm like. That ain't real. That's not real, man. You know what I'm saying? But it's stuff like this that we think like, you know, and then you probably have like spouses, like a woman, she's like, oh, you know, six more, you know, six more birthday cakes. Because it said like six years it'll be happening, right? Yeah. Six more birthday cakes and my, you know, I'm going to have Denzel Washington in my kitchen or whatever. or I'm going to have, you know, my husband's going to look like DaBaby or whatever. You're going to have like a 75-year-old guy with like a body that looks like a fucking California raisin and DaBaby's head.

1:47:02Like it's just going to, but that's AI stuff. You know, that's the things that people believe. It's not real. You know what AI has been showing me? A lot of fake honey badger content, videos, like nature videos, looks real. like honey badgers like fighting elephants and horses a lot of ai videos of like um god what are those creatures that defend themselves with shit this is sure is it are you talking about those david attenborough fight night videos well yeah but people are now generating very good ai video of like honey badgers fighting shit and i was watching them for a while before i realized that's not real like because i love honey badgers it's a it's a different subject altogether but But a lot of these are fake as fuck.

1:47:47Or the hippos spinning their tails and shitting off, you know, the - Yeah, doing that. Blasting tigers away and stuff. A lot of those are fake. Are they really? I mean, it's insidious. It's at that level too. It's not just head trans. Like elephant shits on birthday party or whatever. Go on Instagram and look up like hippo defending itself. And I'm pretty sure a lot of these are AI. I don't want it to be AI. I want it to be real. But if you look up any hippo, it's a whole genre now of hippos shitting on various predators. Yeah, if you guys can bring some of those up, we'll get right back to them.

1:48:17Dude, oh yeah, I saw this thing the other day. Hot air balloons are being used for sex trafficking. And that was an AI thing. That's so fucked up. So now it's like you take one of the most beautiful, people are watching a hot air balloon race, and there's some grandmother being like, you know, there's a nine-year-old, you know, or something. There's a kid bound and gagged in the basket of that balloon getting shipped off to some fucked up island. that's so everything beautiful you know brothels on the moon kids being transported in hot air balloons they're ruining everything but then they'll start but then also what will happen then is this is then this this piece starts to happen they take a fake story like that right like the kids being sex traffic you know like in hot air balloons which is crazy yeah like like for how many people can even fit in 100 balloon probably six to eight a lot of kids that's true probably for 10.

1:49:11I don't know. I think I could get 20 in there. I don't want to know. We could talk after the show. Yeah, we'll talk after the show. It's a big business. We're joking. We are joking. Jesus Christ, we're joking. But then here's what happens is they put the story out, right? Yeah. Then there becomes this lobbying towards the government. Now somebody's lobbying. We need to train officers. We need specifically trained officers who know how to fly hot air balloons so that they can be lookouts for this thing. And it becomes one of those Somali welfare things where it's just a money laundering thing, but it's all based off of, well, let's put the story out first, create the fear, create the worry.

1:49:48Then let's find this other big financial solution that we, and do all the training and all the bullshit. So we have something to invoice the American government or any government for. And then the people, our tax money just goes to another thing. Now we have 700, you know, trained like hot air balloon surveillance technology. I'm sorry. I don't think you realize what you just did, but you have come up with like an incredible series on like NBC. Hot air balloon, like cop chasing sex predators through the skies. Dude, that's an incredible show. Thank you. Like that would be really like really fun to watch.

1:50:30Dude, imagine you're ducking down in your basket. yeah you get a new partner you do that heat thing you turn it up dude i i would watch that all day long that's an incredible idea but yeah you're right it creates a chain reaction and essentially it's just shit tons of money gets wasted on something fabricated right by like a couple of like teenagers in morocco yeah and you don't or wherever i don't know why i said you know but then they honor him at a football game it's like and there's harold arthur the third he did 17 years in the hot air balloon surveillance squad let's give him a round of applause yeah yeah man it's you're right and dude but they used to have i remember they had this girl in our school and her dad and his friend i guess they were kind of gay men or whatever and they would uh they were hot air balloon guys but they would go up and kind of kiss whatever like they would like whatever meet up in this like not meet up i I guess meet up in the sky or whatever, you know?

1:51:29And how? Or just like lock their, you know, tie their balloons off to each other. How does that, wouldn't the, like, it's like wouldn't the balloons themselves bump into each other? I think there's ways you can do that. Because that is, like, if you're going to like create sort of a spectrum of gay. What's to hide? They were scared to get seen around town. So you level up. Like making out with another dude in a separate hot air balloon is, that's that's gay it's brave gays though it's brave dude brave gays how is that on a show that's the name of the show that's it they're gay hot air balloon cops this is the next Brokeback Mountain this is dude do we have a beat of it here did he say anything I think that that's a big part of it I try to like it's important to me that that the kids get that too and the kids are very active do your kids have a lot of like screen time like how much screen time do you allow your kids yeah it's different for the different ones we don't just like let them do whatever but I actually like want them to be fluent with this stuff kind of like we talked about earlier you know I want them to learn how to code how to use technology I think it's important but he's not saying he wants them to use it He's saying he wants them to know how to code and use technology.

1:52:53I want them to be able to create the mind traps that I've created. I want them to be able to build manipulative, seductive technology so that they can lure other children into my trap that will inevitably control the entire planet. But I would never show them the fucking hypnorectagle. I mean, dude. It's giving that, dude, a lot. Is there any more to it or that's it? It's a long answer to a simple question. Right. He could just be like, yeah, I put them on it all the time. There's a lot of socialization. They have their own accounts. Obviously, like happens online at this point. Like people need to get used to the norms and stuff around that.

1:53:28So, I mean, they're not on, they're still too young to be using like social media, but they have messenger kids. You know, we make it so that they can video chat and chat with their friends. And, you know, we'll obviously monitor to make sure that they're just connecting with the people who we think that they should. But like, I think it's actually good. I think people need to kind of grow up. I don't need to is strong, but I think it's good if you have an engaged parent and as a child you kind of grow up learning how to use a bunch of this stuff. So I think that's all good. I want the kids, to the extent that they're interested in it, to learn how to code, learn how to create stuff, whether it's in like Horizon or VR tools, or they play, you know, Roblox and Minecraft.

1:54:20Roblox? Did he just say fucking play Roblox? Look up Roblox. Like look up Roblox pedophilia. Oh, is that where they're doing it now? Dude. Dude, this is like the new rest areas. Remember rest areas? Look at Roblox. Yes. Yes. Roblox is currently the subject of heavy scrutiny, including investigations of lawsuits from U.S. state attorneys, local governments, and reports highlighting that predators exploit its massive demographic of young users for grooming and sexual exploitation. Yeah. Don't put your fucking kids on Roblox. Or, like, man, I'm telling you, like, people need to understand that. Dude, do you remember, like, did you ever, like, dig around for your dad's porn?

1:55:01I remember digging in a hole somebody said there was porn somewhere like not far from us and we dug dude we dug as kids we probably dug fucking 11 feet into the dirt dude a pirate buried his porn out there that's what black pirates we didn't find anything dude you just remember the we did find like a CPAP machine though but go on dude my point is we all know that kids when they know like just based on like the experience of anybody who grew up in the 80s at least or the 90s yeah you would find your dad's porn yeah he could put that shit like in a sewer he could put that stuff right like he could keep it under his hat you would get it yeah so the like the idea that zuckerberg's throwing out there which is like you can like monitor your kids number one dude are you fucking kidding a lot of people don't have time to do that they and they don't understand this tech it could be really dangerous for children oh yeah they don't have time to monitor number two the fact that he's recommending roblox which is you just pulled up is currently being investigated right now because is dude it's crazy he just told everyone watching your show he's like put your kids on roblox like you know how fucked up that is i don't think i don't think he intended to do that well it was a past episode it's probably one years ago right but still i think if i don't know do they know that pedophiles is going on on there like they have to know what's going on dude and for years there wasn't even a blockage i don't think between adults and kids messaging each other which would be the first fucking thing so part of me starts to question do some of these tech lords do they want pedophilia to be a thing that exists in our universe i mean um let me answer that question i this is the deal if you're making we need to ask a kid If you're making a tag, a plat, like how much is money worth?

1:56:55In other words, let's just say you, Theo Vaughn, invented an app and you found out that somehow children were being abused through your app. You know what you do? Shut it down. Shut it the fuck down. And apologize. On that day. And reparations. Give them that. That's your reparations. That's what you do. You don't keep something going that allows children to be abused. The question is, how much? How much is your mansion worth to you? Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing, Duncan. I agree with you. But people keep saying it's about money. It's not about money anymore. It couldn't be about money.

1:57:38If you have a lot of money, it's not about money anymore. It becomes about the next currency. so other currencies are power and then some of the currencies it's like you get to be the king and then the king turns into a i think after king is a devil yeah i think it's right on the other side of being a king is it being a devil because there's there there's you know i'm saying like it's like everything's just a circle so if you're at the if you're a king yeah then right after it is devil yeah i mean you just have to deal with the fact that the technology you create is being used to distribute child pornography and is hurting children.

1:58:16And then whether the rest of your life should be spent stopping that from happening, not getting taken to court to make that happen. You should just stop it. It makes me question these guys a lot, dude. Well, human sacrifice, especially the sacrifice of children, is an age-old practice. And just because the energy is being extracted from children using a brand new technology doesn't change the fact that this technology is harming children. And we're not saying that Facebook is doing that, but we're just saying that Roblox has accusations about that and that it's obvious that... I mean, you can look.

1:58:54I mean, again, I don't... There have been probably instances of adults commandeering children sexually on Facebook. Obviously, I can't say with the authority of some of the people doing the investigations whether or what's happening but i will say that if you don't think that social media and online games is being used by predators to fuck with your kids you are a dipshit you're out of your mind what are you fucking doing and also might i just add and i know we're supposed to light things up when you're posting pictures of your fucking kids yeah in bathing suits in bathing suits or no shirt and you look and you can look at who's favoriting those pictures if 60 of those are like dudes in their 40s yeah what are you doing what are you doing well that's when you start to realize that we like there's this vortex that you start to get manipulated by and that we're being manipulated it's like watching a belly dancer dance and next thing you're giving all your money and after you give all your money you'll give her your kids or give You'll give her your organs.

2:00:03You'll give her your offspring. You'll give her whatever it is. And you don't even notice you're giving anymore. You're not even getting anything out of it anymore. Yeah. You were just tricked into giving everything all away. That's right, dude. You said it. Praise the Lord. Throw your fucking phones in a, oh yeah, this is great. Let's watch this. This will lighten things up. It's hippos shitting on animals. Oh yeah. I mean, we all, like if we didn't. Ooh. It's not, I don't think that's real. And now this, and look, dude, and they'll probably, they'll accuse the animal of doing blackface or whatever.

2:00:31It's AI though, right? That's not real. I don't know, but this is the kind of stuff that just breaks my heart. Because he poses. He sits like he wanted to get shit on. It's not real, right? It breaks your heart. It looks real. He's pissed. And that cheetah is pregnant, bro. He's probably like, I know where to get some lunch. And he pulls that old. It's got to be fake. And this is a whole genre of hippos shitting on jaguars. Hey, bro. Don't come on my back and tell me it's raining, brother. Why did he sit there? Like, why? It's like he. Because it's the old, hey, let's go get some lunch. I'm a shit on you trick.

2:01:03Okay. That's the whole thing, bro. That old class. What else do we have? What other AI things are out there? There's some other AI things that were fake or were there other AI things in the news? Or what else can we talk about? Is there something else on your mind you want to talk about? On my mind? Yeah. Right now? Yeah, man. Do you feel hope as a parent? That's a question. Is it okay if I ask you that? Do you feel hope as a parent? Knowing, seeing a lot of these open vortexes of the devil that are operating around us and how we are being like summoned to dance for them, like the brooms and Fantasia.

2:01:34Like, but do you, and none of this is accusatory. Like I have the same stuff. I'm like, you know, I try to battle it and it's probably easier because I have less responsibilities than you do as a parent. But it's like, we're all fighting this thing, you know? Yeah, I will never stop loving existence. And I have, I know that people are good. In Buddhism, it's called fundamental goodness, that underneath the fear is goodness. And when you're around a baby, when you're around your kids, you get to see that. You get to see a brand new human before the windshield gets covered in splattered fear bugs that begin to define their personality.

2:02:22And as a parent, you can't keep those bugs from splattering on the windshield. That's going to happen. But you also can at least help them understand that love is eternal, that love is eternal, that we're embraced by the universe, that benevolence, kindness, all the things that are taught in Christianity and many of the world religions, these ways of being are not affected by technology, by AI, by all of the things that are taught. inevitably are coming down the line. The actual term for Hinduism I've heard is called Sanatandharm. It means the eternal way or the eternal path. This path, it doesn't fucking matter if there's cyborgs walking down the path.

2:03:12It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And I think that's the most important thing to remember is that what we today were calling the Satan. Satan depends depends on us building up that energy, making it big, scary. This is described as like it's the monster under the bed. It's darkness. Darkness is all you have to do. It's flip on the light. Amen. Gone. Instantly gone. And so the more I think we focus on that darkness and all of its complexity and all of its seeming sophistication and all of its tricks and deviousness and deception, the more powerful it becomes. The moment you just turn into the present moment and your own heart and the people you love, it's like a light turns on.

2:04:02Well, I think we need astronauts too sometimes to go into the darkness, man. We need astronauts to go in there and find the switches too. I think sometimes we need that. I think sometimes it does feel sometimes like we are too, like there's like, you know, a lot of times in Christianity, they talk about acceptance a lot and acceptance and acceptance. And, you know, in a lot of religions, they talk about acceptance. Surrender. yes and it's like you can do that in some ways but also part of you is like but when do you like really stand you know i'm saying when do we stand up because we're creatures with legs yeah you know when do we stand up and um And not just accept everything.

2:04:44And maybe that's the phase that we're in now. And then part of me, like I was talking to my friend Curtis the other day. And like we talk about religion a lot and things like that. And he was saying that it doesn't really matter if you win here in the world, right? If the world wins, if we win as a society here, it matters in the afterlife, in the next realm. And like, you know what I'm saying? Like this is just a practice ground for your spirit, like to see how you operate a spirit. It's almost like when you did school driving or whatever. And there was some guy who was obviously a pedophile usually who would get to teach how to drive because they wouldn't let him coach him while they took away his whistle.

2:05:22And so he's fucking sitting there just squeezing your thigh. That's horrible. But dude, he's in there squeezing your thigh. He's like, if I squeeze your left thigh, it means turn left. If I squeeze your right thigh. Oh, God, you're right. And I'm like, why? Oh, fuck, dude. Why are you touching me, dude? So I was just going in circles, dude. This motherfucker was just massaging me or whatever. You just fucked me up, man. But it's just like, yeah. But it's like, or do you think it matters? Because sometimes I care too much. I feel like if we win here as a people, as opposed to like, as opposed to like, best curing the meat of my soul for the next like refrigerator or meal or charcuterie board of existence.

2:06:05Does that make sense? Charcuterie board of existence. It's very poetic. I know what you mean. I just think, you know, the move is you look at this thing and now you're worrying about literally all of humanity. How do I fix all of humanity? That's a very anxious - Right. It's an anxious place. It's not fair to us. You can't. It's not your job. And I think that doesn't mean you should be some kind of impotent pseudo-spiritual person who isn't actively trying to make the world better. But since you're the first part of the world you encounter, how much time are you spending seeing if you can reduce your own fear and anxiety and increase your ability to have compassion and love for the people that you encounter throughout the day?

2:06:59And if enough of us do that, And that is not easy, by the way. Right, but it's incremental. You don't have to do it all in one day, but you get to do small things. And you never know. I mean, I think if we're going to use the Bible as a reference for the conversation, doesn't the story go when Jesus sent out the disciples? He said, don't worry about what you're going to say. I will speak through you. And if your message is not accepted, leave and knock the dust from your feet, which is really just saying, stay in the present moment. trust trust don't let this darkness trick you into getting all freaked out and angry because when you're angry you'll say angry words but you know the this is a terrible way to ruin whatever the fuck i'm saying have you ever gotten in an argument on mdma have you ever said a single shitty thing to someone when you're on ecstasy now this is i think a way there's might be a way I'm not saying be on ecstasy all the time, but imagine if somehow you could cultivate that part of yourself that shows up on a nice MDMA tab.

2:08:09If you could cultivate that. In Buddhism, that's called bodhicitta, and it's the awakened heart. If you could cultivate that, then whatever came out of your mouth, whatever you did, theoretically, would be much better than what you do when you're angry, freaked out, scared, and pissed off. So maybe the first step is to take more ecstasy, which brings me to a plug for my new business. Trussell MDMA. Go to Trussell. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Trussell MDMA church wafers too. That would be the best, dude. No, I just feel like, you know, the idea is like as much as you can cultivate compassion in your own heart and see what happens.

2:08:51The best thing I noticed too, I just go on a walk with a friend. When Saul was walking, dude, when Saul was walking, was he walking alone out there? That's a great question. I don't know. Can you look that up when Saul was on the road to, where is it, Damascus? Damascus.

2:09:07I'm guessing alone. No, Saul was - No, what a girl. This is awesome. No, Saul was not alone when he was traveling to Damascus. According to the biblical account in Acts 9, he was accompanied by a group of traveling companions who were rendered speechless by the heavenly light and sound. We all saw it. Wow. So, yeah, I think, I don't know. I just, there's nothing I enjoy more these days, bro, than honestly just going on a walk with a friend or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Theo, you seem great. I do. You do. Thanks, man. Yeah, your energy's really like, you've got, what's the word, what do they call it now?

2:09:41Your aura. I don't know what the word, my kid the other day, it's so funny when they start saying like kid insults, and it's a brutal insult. He was talking about somebody, he's like, their aura's chopped. Damn. Have you heard that? Yeah, someone said that. Chopped aura. Your aura's not chopped right now, man. Someone called me Chopped Onk one time. What? Someone drove by and called me f***ing one month ago. What? For no reason. Where? Huh? Where? Because I had two bags of fucking shopping clothes. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I know I bought a lot. But still, yeah. Yeah, dude, it was just because I think.

2:10:09That's crazy. I think because I was like tying my shoe, but I bent over like at the hip instead of like kind of squatted down. That's fucked up. That's crazy, dude. I know, that's crazy, dude. That's crazy. Because I like bent like fully. just because like yeah I get it but it's like god just say it roll the window up and just say it to yourself or whatever that's a rare experience for right like yeah how often does that happen to you uh I don't know dude but I put I put I put stuff out in the world that didn't need to be out there dude dude when we were kids we would write this is horrible to say in this crazy crazy way to end this conversation thank you for the compliments dude I am in a space where I'm trying to ask myself a few more questions instead of just take how I feel I'm like what's this feeling trying to show me yeah you know like okay if i'm angry what why like okay what do what do i get by being angry right now i'm just trying to question a little bit more about what's going on but when i yeah dude when i we used to do this was kind of messed up we would like write that and we might take this out we used to write the n-word on a piece of paper right to get it out of our system and we would put it into a bottle like a message in a bottle and then we throw them in this river not far from our house throw them off this bridge off into this into this river and then the craziest part was though dude like a couple months later we're over at the park which is like a mile from where we're throwing them off dude we see a dad and his kid find pick up a fucking pick up one of these bottles and he the kid opens it up it's so sad and the dad's like what does it say and we're just like oh bro we gotta find a better way to dispose of there's a racist dude shipwrecked around here

2:11:49so dude we live and learn man yeah that's what we do um you can live and learn uh in one of the best possible ways dude this honestly the most fun conversation i've probably had in a year and a half oh that means the world to me theo that's the truth i love talking with you man it's such a joy thanks for having me on the show it's the truth you bet dude i'm gonna come on mystery boys i want to go down a rabbit hole so we gotta we gotta procure a nice one uh oh yeah and uh you You can check out Mystery Boys with the good, we know he works for good, Kurt Metzger. I would argue saintly. Saintly. Saint Metzger, dude.

2:12:23Saint Metzger. I'll vote for it. Yeah. Duncan Trussell, thanks so much, bro. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it, Theo. Yeah, man. Thanks for watching, guys. Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take