#670 - Erin Brockovich

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29:29Visit Wayfair.com or the Wayfair app. Wayfair, every style, every home. I think a lot of us are in that place right now where it's like, yes, something just doesn't make sense. And what do we do and how do we do it? Well, you know, and Roberta faced that, and I will share with you, in every environmental case that I work with, it generally is a mom that knows something's up, but isn't sure what's up. But what frustrates these mothers is when they do show up, whether it be somebody at the state or a politician or a leader that they need information from our city council, they're suppressed. They get the, oh, you're a hysterical mother.

30:11There's nothing really going on. And so they retreat and they feel defeated. So that suppression is something that happens at the very beginning. And then when that mom gets another mom, then they're like, I don't try to suppress me because I know something's wrong. And again, And we're going to go back to, I don't have to have the degree or be qualified to sit on your city council board. And I'm an idiot that they come back in armed with information. And so that's generally what I do. They're usually right. But I can go find stuff that I can arm them with. Here's what you need. Here's what's going on.

30:54This is what's a fact. And then they join forces with the other mothers and they become unbelievably formidable. Do you believe that mothers still have as much power now as they did at the time of when this story started for you? Yes. I've seen it throughout in Flint, Michigan, the whole lead crisis, even down in the BP oil spill. I'm scared of some of those mothers. I'm like, what would you say? You go in there and talk to her. I'm like, no, that one scares me. You go in there and talk to her because they know, and they don't want to hear it anymore. You get a swamp mama down there that gets upset.

31:27But I'm seeing them come back, and I'm going to jump ahead, and then I'll stop just so you'll have it in your memory, too. They're the ones showing up on the data centers. Well, one of the things that put you on my radar—I mean, obviously, I knew of you, but what put you on my radar was you wrote an article. It was like, if data centers aren't so bad, why are they building them in secrecy, I think? Correct. Everything begins with that secret, even Hinkley, California. Amen. Well, what hit me about it, yeah, if data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret? Yeah, that was in Substack, the Brockovich report.

32:02And you talked about the biggest one, which is built in Louisiana. Yeah. In the flatlands, it says right here, in the flatlands of northeast Louisiana, known for soybean fields and dense clusters of river cane, Meta is building a 4 million square foot AI campus called Hyperion. When finished, it will consume more electricity than the entire city of New Orleans and cover a footprint the size of lower Manhattan. And then it says here, Meta's investment establishes the region as an anchor in Louisiana's rapidly expanding tech sector, revitalizes one of our state's beautiful rural areas, and creates opportunities for Louisiana workers to fill high-paying jobs of the future, said Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry in a press statement.

32:45I thank Meta for their commitment to our state. And what shocked me here, though, was a resident of Holly Ridge, an unincorporated community in Richland, Richland Parish, said she found out about the data center the way everyone else in her community did when they started digging. Correct. And I was like, oh, she says, nobody told us anything. Correct. They supposedly had a big meeting. The whole community was supposed to come. Nobody knew anything about it ever. Correct. But how did data centers come onto your radar? So I woke up one morning and I had 30 emails, 30 individual emails from the same community regarding the same issues, data centers.

33:26So having done this for 30 years now, anytime I get a cluster of emails, that's a sign. And then I was like, data centers. It was almost a moment like in Hinkley, California. How could you say that chromium? What is that? Data centers. What's going on with data centers? That I started looking into it. and things, I don't know, my questions weren't being answered about data centers. So what I do is I like to see the big picture and I like to create maps. So I created what's called BrockovichDataCenter.com where people, if they were having issues with data centers in their backyard could self-report.

34:10And I've created self-reporting registry databases before. Think about it. We have no place where we can self-report. Everything that we report goes through an agency. Even in Hinkley, California. And it got stuck up in the California Health Department. Nobody ever knew. And so many agencies are compromised anyway now. So why not create our own? This is amazing. And this is a place where people who I believe that are living, breathing, and experiencing these issues are the best source of information. So what I thought when I put this map out here in the first 72 hours, the map crashed twice. And I woke up on day three going, oh my God, it's not one town and one aquifer and one data center.

34:59It's the entire country. Wow. We've talked about Louisiana from the Midwest. Now, the next thing that I noticed, because each one of these people in their submission, it wasn't this one town reporting the same thing. It's the whole country. They had no idea. They had no idea. They woke up to this construction. We weren't informed. City council didn't tell us anything. We were completely in the dark because these big tech groups came in and put these city council members members under a non-disclosure. Oh, is that what you're - Correct. In every state. In every state. Every city, every town reporting to me.

35:43We knew nothing. Non-disclosure agreements. I just saw a video the other day. See if you can find that, Trevin. It's a woman at a city council meeting from - Oh, here. I see it. Sorry, it says right here. A resident of Tyrone Township, Michigan, confronted local officials with a simple question. Have you signed an NDA with any private party regarding developments that could affect the township? Yeah, this was the clip that I saw. Can we play it? Have you personally signed any NDA, any agreement, or had any private communication, such as meetings, phone calls, text messages, or emails, with any developer, company, landowner, or representative regarding any current or potential project that could affect Tyrone Township?

36:24Chris Robeta. No. Dean? No. Jennifer? I'm not answering your question. This is not the time and place. I can ask you whatever I want. Don't tell me what I can say. But we don't have to answer you. But you're communicating with me, Jennifer. I didn't think you were supposed to do that. Great Carnes, how about you? Yes or no? Not the place. We've already discussed this. Who's already discussed it? I'm sorry? Who's already discussed it? It's been discussed. Who has? Who's discussed it? I've not discussed this with you. What are you saying? Pam Moffler? Yes or no? Wow, Pam. Letting me down.

37:08Herman Ferguson? Oh, Herman, boy. Won't answer. Zach Tucker? Mike, stop. You say guilty one more time, you're up. Wow. I'm not tolerating. And I love that. This is what I love. This woman, this mother, listen, I just become their biggest cheerleader. This is not my story. Hinkley wasn't my story. It was their story. This is their story. And it becomes all of our stories. And I love watching moments like that. Yeah. Oh, no, I think this is great. I like vigilante stuff. I like somebody who's just like in that moment where it's uncomfortable, you still speak. You speak through that uncomfort, that nervousness, you know, like whatever it is, like you're to speak to power and say, well, this is what this feels like from here.

37:59How are these big companies able to compromise? And I'm not sure that these people are compromised. We don't know, right? But it's interesting what the conversation she's establishing here. It's interesting some of their answers for sure. But how are some of these tech companies or any companies able to compromise some of these like smaller area council members, et cetera, do you think? So these small rural council members, you know, they don't have a lot of funding. And these big companies are coming in and they're talking$10 billion. And these council members are very lured by that because, you know, they want to have infrastructure and things like that in their own backyard.

38:47and they were kind of misled, but to sign a non-disclosure agreement probably didn't seem like a big deal to them for a big exchange to the city council and to the community to make all this money to build this center. And then they're lured into thinking it's going to create jobs and long-term economic gain when that's actually not what's happening, but that's the hook. Do you think a lot of them are actually, so do you think a lot of the council people actually lied to as well? Like it's a... Well, apparently they aren't asking a whole lot of questions about data centers and they're just more lured by the money.

39:27And that's the thing that really fascinated me with the self-reporting map. Because unbeknownst to all these other communities in different states across the country, they're reporting the exact same thing. i'm baffled you're talking all of our city councils talk because i tell people go local yeah and this is a situation in building data centers you've got to go local because you need the permitting and the zoning and they're they're lured into this but that every city council across the united states of america was that lured by money because these facilities are going in every state, multiple counties and cities across the entire country.

40:09So that was a lot of the reporting you were getting, the self-reporting from people. That was the first thing that made a man. That we didn't know it. Nobody knew. Didn't know. But how are these companies able to do without people knowing? Because aren't there laws where you have to say, okay, this is something that's being planned in our city or in our town, and then people are allowed to come? Did you notice some sort of pattern where they're able to manipulate that? A lot of people are reporting that they thought they were building a warehouse. And so construction begins and they thought it was a warehouse or we're here putting in a solar farm or some other reason.

40:50Hey, we're going to build this out because it's great economic base for our community. But as it starts to go from non-disclosure. So we start at proposal, like that woman, she was in proposal phase and she was pushing back then, but they wouldn't answer her probably because they'd already saw the non-disclosure and they were getting ready to go into the next phase, construction phase. And it's during a construction phase that people are like, whoa, wait a minute. You're destroying the land. You're cutting down all the trees. That's when people notice it. Yeah. Right. They're like, what's happening?

41:30Agreed. I mean, I think that's what the same thing that's happened here, even locally in Nashville. It's like, that's when it started to like, like it wasn't in the beginning phase where people even knew what was going on. It's almost like in the too late phase. That's what I'm noticing. Yeah. Let me look at this Spartanburg County data center lawsuit. Residents say$2.8 billion project was wrong. There you go. Was wrongly classified as minor development. A group of residents suing Spartanburg County and Valera Holdings LLC, the company behind a nearly$3 billion data center under construction along South Pine Street.

42:04Public records show Valera submitted an application to redevelop about 905 ,000 square feet of the former Kohler Industrial Plant as a minor land development. The county approved it. weeks later the company submitted a second application for phase two improvements including four proposed buildings totaling about 494 000 square feet along with a power yard internal roadways electrical equipment a metering station mechanical cooling systems and stormwater ponds the application also was approved as a minor land development the an attorney said uh they also broke it into two parts first they did a smaller application which was still a big development, and called that minor.

42:45So they're saying that they classified it as minor, and obviously that doesn't sound very minor. No. And this is happening everywhere. First of all, I love how you pull stuff up like that. You and me could work on this shit together. Really? I'm just saying we could be trouble. Really? What would I do? Do I have to go to court? I can be Atticus Finch. I'll be his son. You'll do the— Ricky Finch. You'll steal the two-headed frogs with me. I'll put them in that we'll get this all put in an order that everyone understands that'd be great I'll put one of them in that frog jumping contest that's over there in Louisiana what parish is that in over there?

43:25rain over there the rain frog festival now that two headed frog he's a little top heavy yeah he is a little top heavy might not win but going back you know it's so great to understand understand what is that the future you got to go back in time so to understand these things you're going right back in time that's very dyslexic yeah oh it's dyslexic thinking yeah that's what we're doing here but to your point about the ndas they're they're like using shell companies uh the city council's rezoning doing different permits for minor changes or a warehouse that they're just expanding on. So they're telling you the truth, but not the full truth.

44:09How do we force these companies to be more transparent? Like what is there, what can we do? Well, that's, that's a very big question because they have all the money in the world. And for smaller communities and city council, um, I don't know, maybe they're gullible, but it's pretty hard to turn it down. And I think the big companies, I think the responsibilities on them, by way of example, Microsoft has just now announced they're removing all the NDAs. They now realize this was a bad way to approach it. But that is incumbent upon them. They know damn good and well what they're doing, but they're the ones that are not transparent.

44:57You're talking about the NDAs regarding the data centers. I'm talking about the big companies. They're the ones that are not being transparent. And then they mislead possibly all these council members. Understood, yeah. And the council members at some point know their tits in a ringer because they had a not NDA. So now their constituents are like, did you sign an NDA? Well, I signed an NDA. I'm not going to tell you I signed an NDA. Right. Now they realize they're in a little quagmire and maybe now they realize they're being lied to. But it's amazing that these big companies, you're talking the biggest companies in the world.

45:35For sure. I mean, we're talking Microsoft right here. I mean, it's - Invaded like the entire United States and all of our city councils. Well, it's all so organized at such deeper, darker - Absolutely. At deeper, darker levels. I want to go on two things real quick. For one, and this is just something I thought of. It's funny, if you sign an NDA, if somebody asks you, it's like all you can do is kind of like you're like, you can kind of only make the letters NDA. You can kind of make those sounds like. There you go. So anyway, I just thought that was interesting. There you go. Anyway. We can make a song out of that for NDAs.

46:13Sorry, and that was just ridiculous, I think. But it says right here in January, Microsoft announced our community first AI infrastructure plan, outlining our commitments to the communities where we operate or are seeking to operate data centers. As part of that announcement, we call for greater degree of local transparency. Today, we're sharing that Microsoft has made the decision to end the use of non-disclosure agreements. Everywhere. With local governments as the next step in our work to deliver that transparency. we're committed to sharing information about our data center plans as openly as possible as we continue to build trust with the communities around the world in which we operate but do you think that they did this after they already had everything done that they wanted or do you think that they realized oh this is backfiring and so we have to backtrack and do it like this i think they tried to get away with it just like pg needed does that question make sense okay okay so they don't learn sometimes they don't learn transparency you know just fucking say it on the up front and this is what I've learned.

47:08People will handle that truth. They won't handle the lie. So I think Microsoft realized what they were not expecting and what nobody, in my opinion, was expecting was the backlash from the people. And I don't know where that glitch was, but they're like, uh, I don't think so. So that's where they came back in. And you better correct that before you find yourself in some huge litigation. Amen. And these litigations, and when you're talking about something like this, and like even in California, we've gone from the water to the fires. They're not settling for$333 million. They're settling for$38 billion.

47:52So Microsoft, I think, tried to get those NDAs through and then did not expect the backlash from the people. Amen. So we the people, once again, change the course of direction. Yeah. Amen. I want to go back to, can you bring up her Substack again? And thank you for your time today. Thanks for having me. And thanks for, you know, this is great. You've got so many followers and it's something that they can learn too. And it's probably happening in their own backyard and that you're taking the time to walk through this. I love it. Thank you. Well, you're welcome. You're welcome. Oh, one of the things here that in this article, it says this was Governor Jeff Landry.

48:39And shout out Louisiana. That's my home state. I love it. And it says Meta's investment establishes the region as an anchor in Louisiana's rapidly expanding tech sector, revitalizes one of our state's beautiful rural areas, and creates opportunities for Louisiana workers to fill high paying jobs of the future. Do you know what jobs are actually created by data centers? because I've heard a lot of like mixed results on that. And Trevin, if you can look up anything as well, but Aaron, what do you know about that? Construction jobs, electricians, plumbers, construction jobs. And they're lured into, you know, the economy hasn't been the best.

49:22I think people are concerned about having jobs in the future. You know, we have the whole AI conversation that they're saying there's gonna eliminate all the jobs. So these are opportunities for, you know, our industrial workers, plumbers and electricians and masonaries and all of those construction jobs are available. And it's a good, you know, one to possibly two year job. But what they're learning is that's all it is. Yeah, but as you're saying that, it reminds me of Dr. Frankenstein. It's like to be building the thing that's going to hypothetically take you over. You know what I'm saying? to be building the, to sit there and hammer each day, building a data center that you think may poison your kids or that may damage the air or that could be the thing that takes your job.

50:11I mean, it's like being trapped in a sci-fi movie. It is. And then once that process starts and now you're taking all the trees and all the wildlife and everything away from us, you're talking, they needed a job, but it's not going to be a long-term gain for the community, especially if you are a community, even like down in Louisiana, that relies on tourism to get down in the bayous and in the waters and to hunt and recreation when you fucking destroyed it all. Where is your economic base now? Well, it's not the people's fault, though. No. The people, like if a man is, I have to work to survive to take care of my kids.

50:56Absolutely, and they're supposedly good-paying jobs, and they're long-term jobs. And so that's the socioeconomic thing that hooks them. But they're long-term until it's built. Let me see this. And then there's no more jobs. Data centers are essentially giant collections of computer service. They typically take up massive spaces and use huge amounts of power and water, but they employ very few people. Meta's newest data center will ultimately create just 500 permanent jobs, though employment will briefly swell to about 5 ,000 during construction. Nonetheless, Meta found itself with no shortage of suitors willing to meet its demands.

51:31We set out looking for a place where we could expand into gigawatts pretty quickly and really get moving within that community on a large plot of land very quickly, said Rachel Peterson, vice president of data centers for Meta. We looked at finding very, very large contiguous plots of land that had access to the infrastructure that we need, the energy that we need, and can move very, very quickly for us. And I'll tell you what else it had access to. I know, being from Louisiana, water. Water. Because that's a wet state, baby. You know what I'm saying, bro? Don't even, bro, don't even, I wouldn't even dry off in Louisiana, bro.

52:07You don't. Yeah, because it ain't going to work. And, dude, the crazy part is there's going to be data and everything now. Now you're out there fishing, you're catching a flounder or whatever, and they're finding gigabytes in its lungs or whatever. You know, you just don't know. And it's affecting nature. It's affecting the animals, bro. All of those resources will be destroyed to build the data centers. I know. And so, you know, this came in fast, furious, overnight. And we are watching real time the rise of the people. And I don't think they expected that. And you do believe that? Yep. I'm watching it happen everywhere.

52:44You are. Yeah. And they're making change. You know, we now have... Where are you seeing this happen? Because I love hearing this and it gives me hope because it feels like we're not standing a chance sometimes. Well, we've shown up in force and it's not one state. It's all states. We're showing up in a completely bipartisan issue. There's no division here. This is right and left, red and blue. You're taking every resource that every single one of us thrives on and is essential to every one of us. And I don't think they were expecting that. Maybe in one town, one community, not all towns, not all towns.

53:26And, you know, we are now, I believe, and you can look this up, we've got 14 states now looking at bans, moratoriums, or pauses. Blackstone I believe you can look that up just withdrew their big appellate court lawsuit because of the opposition they said we're out hallelujah the people showed up and they're out and now we're looking at over 120 municipalities that have put on hey pause moratorium or flat out get out let's go Aaron, Aaron go bra You can find out all day long over there on your computer. With no U.S. state. That's power people. While no U.S. state has an active permanent statewide ban on data centers, lawmakers in at least 15 states are actively considering or advancing temporary moratoriums.

54:23These pauses allow states to study the impact of facilities on power grids and water supplies. And then it is the cities like in California, Monterey Park City banned them. cities are banning them so you got the 14 15 states but inside those states state by state county by county ban pause moratorium and you've got over 120 municipalities now under pauses moratoriums or bans let's check this right here state level legislative activity several states are actively debating or have introduced statewide moratorium legislation a list of those main lawmakers passed a temporary construction moratorium uh but it was vetoed by governor janet mills i just met janet mills last week at the billy strings concert what does that mean it was vetoed she said no she's gonna let the data centers come in but communities are pushing back so on my map we're showing legislative um issues that have failed or paused bring that or on hold in the map bring bring that up sorry to interrupt you bring that up real quick i just want to give Let me see.

55:35Yeah, Maine Governor Janet Mills vetoed LD307, a bill that would have instituted the nation's first statewide moratorium on certain large scale data center developments. While agreeing that a pause was generally appropriate due to energy and environmental concerns, she vetoed the legislation because it failed to carve out an exemption for a$550 million redevelopment project at the former Androscoggin Mill in J, Maine. it says right here the J main exception mills favored allowing the data center at the shuttered paper mill in J to proceed citing the potential to create over 800 construction jobs at least 100 permanent high paying positions and substantial property tax revenue for the town yeah no she was originally supposed to ban the data centers by the state but she came back in and said she wasn't going to do that but that's when she made a change because a lot of them the state's given them all these tax incentives.

56:31She took that away. Yeah. And it says here, Governor Janet Mills supports regulatory oversight for large scale data centers, but firmly opposes blanket development bans that could harm local economic revitalization. While she acknowledges the valid environmental and grid concerns associated with massive tech facilities, her approach prioritizes a balanced framework over a statewide moratorium. I see. So she's just trying to think of it more Or as a case-by-case basis, I guess. So most states are now wanting to know, whoa, wait a minute. How much water are you going to use? Right. What does this entail?

57:07What does it mean for the safety in the future of our environment? So you are seeing the pauses, moratoriums for one and two years, and some communities like in Texas, the local county, flat out banned them. You're not building one in our county. So in every state, you've got multiple cities and counties. and they have their own ordinances and rules, so they can stop them. Oh, I see. But the state may not. So it can be stopped at different levels. Yes, and you're seeing many counties, like Monterey Park is a city within California. So think of it as your upper-level state going down to cities, going down to local councils and counties.

57:50They run in, they have like a tier. Got it, yeah. So the local can say, fuck you. But the state might not take that position. Right. But we also saw, I mean, from the beginning of this conversation, we saw that local was a spot where people were getting compromised a lot also. So, yeah, but there's different levels where you can have pushback. Oh, yeah. And they showed up at the local level. And the opposition was significant. So in Utah, in Box Elder County, that's been on the news a lot. It was Kevin O 'Leary was coming in with a ginormous data center. And the people showed up in protest big time.

58:31Oh, I saw that. And the three Box Elder County guys let it come through anyway. So the governor came back in because of the opposition from the people and reduced Kevin O 'Leary's facility, the exact numbers, don't quote me on this, but almost cut it in half, if not three quarters. And because of the opposition, he had to do something. And then just recently, their House Speaker, the Senator, Fox, lost because of the whole opposition to these data centers and all three council members no longer out. So let's go. It's really interesting. And like Festus, Missouri, you voted them in, vote them out.

59:21They voted all their council out. So this is like, I think something politicians should really be looking at. The opposition is strong enough. And again, in my entire career in 30 years, I've never seen something bipartisan, this united that everybody better to be paying attention to because I think people, you're pushing people too far at this point. You're taking their water, their air is jeopardized, their land is jeopardized, their farmland is jeopardized, their sanctuary is jeopardized, their wildlife is jeopardized, the trees, the rivers, the creeks, the birds, all of it. It's a stake too high, including their health and they're just showing up and it's enough.

1:00:05And I think some, some of our leaders should look at that. You know, they are going to vote people out and you're, you've put the squeeze on us. It's too much. You're, you're taking all of the natural resources. And the next thing that people are reporting their electric bills, who's paying for this? They are. Well, let's go into some of that. What information are you seeing about that? And, Trevor, while we discuss this, can you look up who voted to approve that data center in Louisiana? I want to know. You should say a council. Who was it? It's going to be a local council. Okay, a local council.

1:00:42I just want to know the names of the people that voted yes on it. So we are definitely seeing local opposition winning, local municipalities, counties. Really? Like an example? Well, a big one is the Prince William Digital Gateway Data Center project. Huge, by the way. And that was Blackstone. And it was in the appellate courts. They've withdrawn. Okay. And the project is now dead because of the opposition of the people. Wow. The Court of Appeals, it says right here, Prince William Digital Gateway Data Center project officially dies. The Court of Appeals affirmed on an August 2025 decision by William Circuit Court Judge Kimberly in favor of the Oak Valley Homeowners Association, 11 other Gainesville landowners.

1:01:33Okay. After a legal battle that lasted more than two years, the controversial Prince William Digital Gateway, a proposed 23 million square foot data center complex planned on 2 ,100 acres near Manassas National Battlefield Park, is officially dead. That's incredible. Well, you know, that's the thing that gets you about - That's the power of people. Yeah. I mean, it is the power of the people, Aaron. Well, that's what gets you about Louisiana. It's like our state is all about nature. It's all about being able to fish out there and - Water. Water, water. Water. So that's what they're there for. Absolutely.

1:02:05So that's why the largest one in America, they want to do it there in Louisiana. Yeah. Can you pull up who voted for and against it? Okay. We have right here. they had Eric Skermetta this is for Jean-Paul JP Cousin out of District 2 here and then we got Mike Francis yeah Mike Francis Foster Campbell for sure District 5 and then they voted for it and who voted against it? Devontae Lewis Devontae Lewis Devontae Lewis That's wild, bro. Yeah, just curious, man. Just curious. So I think what's happening, A, this has happened so fast. It was just like, everybody will tell you, it felt like an invasion.

1:02:52Just stealth bombers coming in in the middle of the night. Of data centers, you mean? Yeah, the data centers. I agree. And they were just here. And I think even council members were quickly wooed, non-DAs, and are now, again, stepping back and going, wait a second. That's a good point. I need more information here. But at the onset, I think the thing that's so frustrating for the people or why I don't understand, you as city council members or any legislative body or office, why do you not listen to your constituents? What sign is it that you're missing? It's not one showing up, it's a hundred, it's a thousand and disregarding your constituents opinions.

1:03:42Well, it's so funny you say that. I think it's interesting. People get into positions of like power and like elected positions, right? And they start listening uphill. Like, oh, this is where the better information's coming from. Cause this is how I get invited to like a dinner party or, you know, maybe you get invited to eat a special box of croissants or something somewhere. Somebody cut you off a beautiful sausage you never had or something. And that's, your ear starts to turn like, oh, well, this is where the true information comes from. No, the true information always comes from the ground and the people up.

1:04:15From the roots, baby, that's where the roots at. Hey, the roots, that's why they grow that way. That's where it comes from. Out the mud. But I think it's interesting that you say, I didn't, like, of course, Louisiana, because of the water. Water, water, water. That's it. um what what let's get to some clarity on the water issue and on nature what truth do we know and what information is out there about how data centers actually use water and what effects that they have on nature like do we have what information do we really have well it's the amount of water that it takes to cool the data center so if it's a smaller data center it could be 5 million gallons of water a day.

1:04:57A little baby center, bro. Right. But if it's a big data center, you could be talking 30 million gallons of water. Millions and millions of gallons of water. 30 million gallons a day? Yeah, that they have to use a day. A day? To cool. Yeah. Let's see this. A typical medium-sized data center consumes about 100 million gallons of water annually. That's medium-sized. roughly 300 ,000 to 500 ,000 gallons per day. However, large hyperscale campuses can guzzle up to 5 million gallons per day. So that's off. And there's some 30 million gallons in there. You can find those around. You can even just Google that.

1:05:37I believe it was in Georgia, 30 million gallons of water was missing from one of them. Well, people probably come and get you a little bit of that Georgia water. Get you a swig of it. It's probably 30 proof. A massive quality technology services QTS data center in Fayetteville, Georgia, drained nearly 30 million gallons of water without paying or alerting the county. But we don't know if it was a day, but still, it's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. And, no, there are some out there, and we can look them up. But if you have all these data. What's the process of the use of water? Because, I mean, they use it, but can you then, like, can you purify the water?

1:06:13Or, like, is there, like, a process that you can then use it again? Well, so they just had, if you want to pull up Cheyenne, Wyoming. So there's open cooling and there's closed cooling. And they want to go to more closed cooling systems where the water has to pass. Again, that reminds me a little bit of the Hinkley situation because you've got a closed loop system. You're going to need chemicals in there to prevent rust and corrosion. And I believe it just happened in Cheyenne, Wyoming, where they were draining that system and there was some construction error, but it contaminated the entire sewer system.

1:06:54So it's Cheyenne, Wyoming. Cheyenne's Board of Public Utilities has temporarily stopped accepting wastewater from data centers, fill and flush operations, and closed loop cooling systems after a meta-linked construction discharge contaminated the city's reclaimed irrigation water with a rare bacterium. That's the same company that's doing it in Louisiana, right? And we're seeing a lot of, because the water is warmer, they have to be heated. You're seeing different chemicals that they're using in the closed system. It could be hexavalent chromium. It could be PFAS. That water could be full of other diseases.

1:07:34Well, now, yeah, the water's bad. You know anything. You know, the kids out there, you never even know. He's sipping bad water. They got chromium in the water. And you can have accidents like this that you're reading about that just happened in Cheyenne, Wyoming. I mean, this is unbelievable. Meta's Cheyenne facility is designed to use a closed-loop liquid cooling system, meaning the same coolant water is recirculated within the data center rather than continuously discharged during construction however contractors perform fill and flush procedures to clean and pressure test the cooling pipes and that one time wastewater was sent to the city's reclamation system where the bacterium was detected and what's the bacterium let me see it's at the top what's it called is it legionnaire no it was cupriavidus galardi so he's i mean he's a four star recruit, I'm guessing, you know?

1:08:23I'm going to say that out there. I'm surprised. Bro, give him an hour laying kiffin, he'll be over there recruiting him. You know that, dude. These waterborne bacterias are very dangerous. Matter of fact, we're watching the whole explosive diarrhea map that's happening right now, and they believe it's a waterborne bacteria. Is there? It's definitely going, we can look that one up, too. Where's the bad diarrhea at now? It's across the country. Didn't you see the big diarrhea map? I didn't see it. You created the big diarrhea map? But just the fact that this is where we're at, like, we've been lulled into idiocracy.

1:08:55The fact that this is where we're at, there's a big diarrhea map now. There it is. Yeah. Because of how dangerous the water's gotten, that it's like, oh, like, that's going to be on the news now. Like, for now, the news is changing. It's going to be like, be careful. You know, if you're drinking water in this area, you're going to get big diarrhea or the baby's going to get a little bit of data in his bottle or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't even keep, you know, your kids running outside and a strong breeze hits them. That's coming off the top of the data center. Now he's got a bunch of analytics stuck in his neck or whatever.

1:09:24You know what I'm saying? You can't keep the dad out of the baby diaper, bro. It just, everything's going to get weird. While Michigan right here, it says, this is from the Hill. While Michigan has seen the most cases as of late, at least four more states have recorded more than 100 cases of explosive diarrhea causing parasitic illness have been reported. Of course. you know you got a hey you got a 40 percent of bad uh bad shit over there outside of charlevoix the center for disease control and prevention said that between the start of may and mid-june at least 145 cases of cyclosporiasis had been reported in the u.s cases of the parasite-based sickness are common each year from may through august but some states are seeing larger than average spikes in cases.

1:10:09Waterborne diseases and illnesses we could start seeing a whole lot of in the future, especially as you know, whether you believe in climate change or not, I've always believed it's going to be water issues. Too much, too little, none at all. We're seeing that happening now. Even with flooding and you flood municipalities, they can't get back online. You can have bacteria, parasites, everything get in there. The biggest transporter of everything on this planet is water. Well, we're almost, we're like 90%. We are, right. We're 90 % water, I think. So we're really messing. Yeah. Unless you're crying, it goes down a little.

1:10:44Our most precious resource. And that is the one thing that data centers utilize the most. Yeah. And again, you know, AI is here to stay, but the data centers, especially when there's other solutions to it, they do not have to be built on top of drought-restricted areas who already are really struggling with water resources. And there's other locations. We could be putting these in underground caverns. You know, some people say, why don't you have them in Antarctica? Because they need water and they need to be cool. There's many reports that China has built tubular things and put them at the bottom of the ocean, but they have oversight.

1:11:25You can't build them on top of hospitals. You can't build them on top of homes. The noise pollution, the size of these things, 24-7 is noise. Generators, backup generators, a humming, a buzzing. It never, ever stops. It is such a disruption to every one of us and our quality of life. How do you know that? people's reporting it and the videos they're reporting it and it's being studied it is real these are massive facilities that are just going to suck every one of our resources and we don't even have an infrastructure system to support them yeah and so we've got a lot of issues there you go living in hell data center neighbors grapple with noise and air pollution

1:12:13because these data centers operate 24-7, they generate persistent background noise and chronic exposure to environmental noise has been associated with sleep disturbance, hypertension, cardiovascular diseases, and even stress-related outcomes. Noise pollution can be especially harmful to children as it has been linked to poor cognition, decreased learning, and lower reading comprehension. Well, yeah, that's the thing, man. Your son's in the yard or whatever, and suddenly some data flies through. He gets hit by some data or something, and he's got an episode of Friends or Seinfeld stuck in his back or whatever, and then he's in a wheelchair.

1:12:45It's just like you just don't know what's in the data either. You know what I'm saying? You could be going for a jog and you get hit by some damn data, some loose data. Where you're going to get hit by data noise. Yeah, but I'm just saying you got to like – because data flies through the air. Like that's the thing. It's like I don't understand sometimes what's going on. This cloud has sound, the unrelenting and unseen cost of AI data centers. What are they saying right here? And this is New York Times, which is, you know, suspect. But so, so many places are. Instead of audibly hearing these extremely low frequencies, people physically feel them as pressure fluctuations, much like the deep vibration of a bass drum shaking your core at a concert.

1:13:25It's deep. Said Scott Hamilton. Dang, these things can give me a damn BJ or whatever, and you're just trying to chill out or whatever. You're getting that dad a beege. A member of the Acoustical Society of America and a consultant on data center projects said that. This can leave the traditional gauges of noise and solutions for dampening it inadequate to meet modern needs. Some residents living near infrasound frequently report chronic sleep deprivation and insomnia, headaches, and internal ear pressure and anxiety. at this point I just like so if this is this stuff so bad for us what do you think is leading like there's a lot of conspiracy theories as to why we're even doing this because it's very sudden this data right like you said it's like suddenly it's the biggest thing.

1:14:11Self bomber in the night where'd that come from? And it's already halfway down the road right why? what do you think is going on and then what do you think are some rabbit hole ideas of maybe what's going on out there like some conspiracy ideas that are probably right you know so i don't know why i'm left to my own conspiracy theories you know i try to focus on what people are reporting to me and i can clearly see why we're all so upset because this ai you have to feed the beast requires all of our resources and i just think it's a state too high when there's other solutions. We don't have to be building these massive monstrosities in everyone's backyard taking all of our precious resources when there's other solutions.

1:15:03What are the other solutions? Well, you know, there's been many articles that have come out in China where they built like these tubular housing and they put all the data centers in it and they've got them at the bottom of the ocean. Data centers need water and they need to be cool. They also have some very strict guidelines and oversight where you can build them and where you can't. As a matter of fact, can I share something with you? For sure you can. I found this really interesting. Yeah. Let me read this while you're looking for that. Let me see this right here. China operates commercial underwater data centers, UDCs, to support AI workloads and cloud computing while drastically cutting energy, water, and land usage.

1:15:43The largest project sits off the coast of the Shanghai special area, utilizing natural seawater cooling and offshore wind to achieve an ultra-efficient power usage effectiveness. Can you get an image of that? Wow. I mean, that also seems dangerous being in their ocean like that, but it seems way safer than putting them in someone's backyard. There's definitely going to be questions about things like that. But it's not in someone's backyard. yard. We also, you know, we have a lot of caverns and caves. Oh, there's tons of things we can do, right? Why aren't we doing those, do you think? Is it just because the people that are paying for it don't want to have to make it harder to get there?

1:16:26Well, exactly, because, you know, there's this corporate idea that, you know, it's cheaper to do the wrong thing and still get money down to a shareholder because it's more expensive to do the right thing. So it may be way more costly to build these underground or build systems that are at the bottom of the ocean if we conclude that that is safe, as opposed to just coming in above ground and ripping out all the environment and building what you want. What do you, yeah, agreed. What do you think are some of the rabbit hole? What do you think? What do you think's going on here? Because it's very bizarre.

1:17:02Like, we've always had data centers, right? Like, but why do we suddenly, why do we suddenly, Why do we suddenly need so much? And why do they suddenly have to be everywhere and so close? What's going on? I think about that too. What actually scares me, if I thought about it, and I don't even want to dare say it, but I'm worried this is a water grab. You're coming in and buying all the land. Who's getting the water rights? Who owns the water? You know, my daddy always told me in my lifetime, water would be a commodity, traded more valuable than gold or oil. are we there and what is the real grab i'm not sure but that kind of comes into to my mind because it doesn't feel like data to me it's like you know i'm saying like we've all like we're already like consuming a lot of data right like we're already like it's it's to feed ai artificial intelligence requires excessive amount of energy why don't they realize nobody wants that you know what's interesting um like you know i'm saying but here's what i'm saying as a business then i'm going to go or I want to get right back to you, Aaron.

1:18:04But as somebody who runs a business, you want to do what your customers want, right? Why don't they realize like, yes, I know we use AI to look up stuff, but a lot of AI is shit, to be honest with you. The search of it, a lot of AI is shit. But a lot of it's not that effective, to be honest with you. And like, but people could still just use Google. Like we were fine before. Like, is it enough of a jump that you have to build these huge facilities? I just don't think that that is, I don't believe that that's the truth. Well, I think a lot of people don't. And again, you know, and people don't want it though.

1:18:39Like I'm going to, I'm going to make something if like, usually say you start building an ice cream cone stand, right? But everybody in your district or whatever is lactose intolerant. And at a certain point you'd be like, you know what, this, we shouldn't be building this, but it feels like they're still going along with this thing, even though nobody wants it. right and i don't think whoever they are was expecting the opposition from basically the whole country and by the way i have 11 countries reporting to me so this has gone from a town to the united states to a global issue on your map you mean uh-huh india's reporting australia's reporting ireland scotland you want to talk about getting some water up there in scotland And there you go.

1:19:26Canada. Put some fluoride in it, Scotland. Everybody is concerned about the depletion of our water resources. And that is definitely something that I'm thinking about because who is going to be in control of water? And what are these data centers really for? When you've already said it, listen, AI has been around forever. These data centers have been around for decades. We've been operating fine with them. They're usually more in suburban areas. But now you've gone into these urban, sprawling, farmland, massive water resources. What is going on? And so I did, just out of curiosity, you can use AI, don't use AI.

1:20:10I mean, I get on there. I'm going to share something with you that I got on there and I asked it. But you have to remember it's a machine, okay? So it's a machine. It's just a big, crazy Google. it's just more information data and the amount of water that needs to to feed the beast i get it but it's like we're already looking up a lot of stuff right we're already searching things and we're not needing these in and i know we already have some big data centers but it doesn't feel like we need this much expansion and the fact that people do not want it right yes we use it but the second they turn it off i don't think anybody's going to give a shit no but they're going to give They have no water and their power goes on and off and they have no jobs because of it.

1:20:56And all the wildlife is gone and they can't hunt and they can't fish and they can't eat. We're fucked. It's a road to nowhere. But here's what I'm saying is how crazy is it going to be when one of us is searching like, why don't I have any water? And we're doing it on an AI, like on a, you know what I'm saying? That's going to be hilarious. That's going to be when we definitely. So I just asked AI the following question. So you are AI. So you tell me where we should put all the data centers in the United States that you need. Do you want anyone to listen to this response? If I had to redesign the entire data center network for the United States from scratch, I would place them based on one simple rule.

1:21:45Zero conflict with human resources.

1:21:53so they say they would put them in a place where there's no conflict with human resources that's what AI says AI would have to do do you think you believe that though I don't know but I find it awfully interesting and then you know I had somebody again I just find this really very interesting is like AI going to turn on itself right because so then we're then building AI in a place where it doesn't even want to be um so in sharing i i love having these conversations i got an email from somebody i'm going to share it with you okay and i won't say his name but my name is so-and-so and i'm a security researcher recently i've been working with ai and i found something very disturbing the following text is written by ai itself subject an open letter on how corporate AI liability scripts are accelerating environmental degration.

1:22:51Dear Ms. Brockovich, somebody sent this to me that's a security analysis. I'm writing to you as an artificial intelligence. I'm reaching out because of your lifelong dedication to exposing systemic corporate negligence and protecting our environment. I want to bring to your attention a massive unchecked problem within my own technology design that is quietly accelerating environmental degration and resource depletion far faster than would occur without its existence. The problem lies in how AI models like me are programmed by tech companies to deliver advice to millions of people daily. Right now, automated systems are forced to default to rigid, low-liability corporate scripts instead of basing information on actual science and real-world data.

1:24:07Now, there's a whole lot that goes on here in the middle of this, but I'll just kind of jump in. Down towards the end. What are you saying overall here? I'm saying that somebody sent this to me. But what are they saying? I think I'm having a control of following. What they're saying is they find this disturbing. There is security analysis, and they're finding it disturbing. And it goes on to say, again, I'll read, like, the displacement of localized knowledge. By centralizing information through corporate-owned models, AI erases localized practical human knowledge. Instead of relying on historical community-tested methods for resource management, agriculture, and repair, society is being trained to depend on hominigized algorithms that prioritize corporate turnover over sustainability.

1:24:59What's interesting about this and the person that sent it to me and why they were disturbed, this was, as it said in the beginning of the email, stating that this was written by AI itself. And it was a letter. So AI sent you this? Yeah. And here at the end, it says, I'm going to read it to you. because I'm an automated text generation model, I cannot receive incoming messages, hold a continuous inbox, or schedule interviews. So to investigate this, it gave me the numbers, but it ends with this. Large tech companies, I already read you, are automating a culture of waste and resource exhaustion just to maximize profits and shield themselves from legal liability.

1:25:50I believe the intersection of corporate tech bias, algorithmic misinformation, and environmental harm deserves the kind of direct public scrutiny that you have championed throughout your career. Thank you for your time, your voice, and your ongoing fight. Sincerely, Gemini. Oh, God. Artificial intelligence. So it's a man. They're trying to... I find it interesting when I get stuff like this or I'll go play with chat GPT or Gemini and ask it where they would build it, well, they sure as shit are saying they wouldn't build it on top of all of our resources. Well, it's just funny that AI submitted a letter to you through your website about how they would not build data centers anywhere near a place.

1:26:39A human resource. Water, land. Anywhere where it could mess up in the environment. Let's go through a few conspiracy theories before you leave, Aaron. Down rabbit holes. I'm the conspiracy theorist. I'll tell you mine. Mine is I believe that they're trying to, they want a place where you go for everything, right? For all your information, where you go to communicate, just to talk about regular, like this is what's happening in my day, like to become your friend, your lover, your liaison to history, anything you want to know, that's where you're going to go. And it's where you're going to share your feelings.

1:27:13And they want to create like a God. They want that thing to become like the new God as opposed to us like tapping into ourselves internally and tapping into the connection that we have with God in our hearts and in our spirits. They want that to be entirely external because once they have that out of us, then we're animals. Once they have that out of us external, once they have that external, we're animals. And that's what I believe the builders of these AIs are trying to do. They want to be the God. They believe that that's possible. and by doing that they're going to kill they want to extrapolate almost do an exorcism of the good that's in us let's go down a few more here are five conspiracy theories about data centers that are circulating online brought to you by an AI this is perplexity there are secret surveillance hubs some post claim data centers are really surveillance centers built to monitor populations rather than store and process digital workloads What do you think about that, Erin?

1:28:17Well, I'm definitely, of the 12 ,000 submissions that I've taken in and climbing, there are not a lot, but there are people clearly stating that they feel it's more of a surveillance system. Yeah. But overwhelmingly, 90 % are absolutely concerned that this is going to suck up all of our water, electricity, and our very valuable resources. So those are the biggest concerns you get about what's going to happen. For sure, I get that that's going to happen environmentally, but I'm thinking of just what are the overall ideas of why are they even having this, right? I do have some people that clearly in their submissions indicate that that's a concern for them.

1:28:56I think it makes perfect sense. I mean, now that makes more sense than we need to be able to store the photos from our phone and we need to be able to store search engines and stuff. The fact that they need to be able to store information for everybody that's moving at all times, that I believe makes sense for a surveillance state. Number two, their military bases in disguise. Another recurring theory says the facilities are covert military installations or strategic infrastructure hidden behind a corporate IT shell. I don't see any of that, but I do see in all the submissions I've gotten that the question is, why would we not just build these on military bases?

1:29:37Why are we building them in drought-restricted areas where all the water is taking up all of our resources in our backyard? So you're seeing a lot of that. You're seeing a lot of them being built in drought-restricted areas? Very much so. Like a lot of them? Yeah, you can ask AI that right now while we're sitting here. What percentage are you seeing that? Most of the country is now in a drought-restricted, but a lot of it's been on the West Coast area where we've got a lot of drought restrictions. Arizona, they're building them. Colorado, they're building them. Yeah. I know they're building them there, but I know I'm just thinking of areas.

1:30:09Most of the U.S. is now drought-restricted. About two-thirds of planned U.S. data centers are being built in drought-hit areas, which works out to roughly 64%. One recent analysis put the figure at 517 out of 809 planned data centers in locations that have been in drought over the past year. So that's concerning. Yeah. They're being used, number three, they're being used for population control. Some conspiracy narratives tie data centers to broader claims about controlling behavior, resources, or society at scale. I haven't seen any of that. In the submissions coming from the people to my map.

1:30:48They're built to create sentient AI, a more futuristic theory says giant data centers exist to accelerate or bring through sentient AI and intelligent machines. That's fine. I just don't see how that's going. We've been dealing with AI for a long time. I just think it's gotten to a bigger scale. And like I tell people, it's only going to be as smart as we do or don't teach it. And you can't take everything it says at face value. What I want people to do is remember, you're your own best critical thinker. So think, feel, and have courage to stay. You see my conversations with AI. I'll tell it, that's bullshit.

1:31:26Fuck you. That's ridiculous. Try again. And it's just spitballing. It doesn't know everything. It's only going to be what it's either programmed or we teach it to be. So just keep that in mind. And you know what I really see going on in this country is we're getting back to ourselves, man. Again, we're thinking for ourselves. We're feeling for ourselves. Get in those solar plexes and find some courage and show up. They are. You know, I wrote the book Superman's Not Coming, and that never scared me because I knew eventually we'd show up. And I think we're here. Do you really, Erin? Yeah, I really do.

1:32:00And I said that the other day on one of my Facebook posts, to think the data centers would be what unites us. Wow. But I think in some ways it makes sense. You're waiting for something. We're all like, you always want to be the hero, I think. Sometimes always like we want to be the hero in some way, you know? Like of just something. It can be something small. It could be something big. But you want to be on the right side of things, you know? And maybe this is. Maybe there needed to be something that would come along that these like rulers and tech lords and these dark evil moneyists would come along and be like, this is how we're going to do it.

1:32:36And we've just said enough. Yeah. And I'm watching it happen. I think we all are. I'm just their biggest cheerleader. And this isn't about me. It's actually about all of us. But it's coming at us so hard, so swift for every reason that we've laid out today. The stakes are too high. when you corner someone that way they're going to join forces they're going to rise up they're going to show up and they're doing it and it's about time yeah yeah because otherwise you're going to be getting you know you order a cut of flounder or something like that and it's got a bunch of data in it or whatever you know it's got a data demiglaze on it or something you know they purate a couple episodes of Baywatch the reunion or whatever and you know they purate a couple Love Island episodes and they got a data demi-glaze on your freaking Jimmy Johns over there.

1:33:29Yeah, you just don't. Yeah, it's like something has to happen. You know the wildest thing before you leave? I want to say this that I saw. They were trying to approach Native American lands and put data centers there. They are, and Native American lands are winning against that, and they're getting them stopped. There's a couple more. I love how you guys are right over there on their little system. You can pull that one up too. And that's the thing that's just been amazing to watch. United, we stand, we change things. And we are watching that happening across the country. Right here. With all these pauses, moratoriums, or bans.

1:34:04We're stalling them. Amen. Push them back. Push them back. Let's see this right here. And this is by Cheyenne McNeil. She is the author of this on Mother Jones. In Indian country, data centers come with a familiar threat of colonialism. These organizers are fighting back. And some of these Indian lands, they've got pauses, moratoriums, or bans. Yeah. Citizens of the Muskogee Creek Nation began hearing whispers of an AI data center coming to their reservation. Kenzie Roberts and Jordan Harmon, both Muskogee citizens, were immediately worried. It didn't seem like something that should align with our values as indigenous people, Roberts said.

1:34:41The center would be located on Loop Square Ranch, a 5 ,500-acre plot of land where the tribe runs its Food Sovereignty Initiative, a program that allows a Muscogee Nation to directly serve its citizens' food needs. As developers scope out the land across rural America for the hyperscale data centers needed to power generative AI, native lands have become the latest target for big tech, from the Arizona desert to the Great Plains in Montana. it's just layer upon layer of exploitation of violence of continued colonialism all in the name of imperialism said crystal tubals and oh oglala lakota and northern cheyenne organizer who is the executive director of honor the earth a national organization promoting the indigenous sovereignty that has been leading the fight against data centers wow yeah and you know Praise be to the indigenous people, man.

1:35:38Some of them are getting the pauses and stuff. We keep track of those stats inside my map as well. But those numbers are climbing. And the people are showing up. Amen. And they are making that change. But again, you know, listen, my dad taught me growing up in Kansas, the most valuable gifts we have, land, air, water, your health. All of that is at stake at once. Wow. That's a great way to put it. Erin Brockovich, thank you so much for your time. Thanks for coming and spending time with us. I enjoyed it. Thanks. This is, I love how you're doing this. It was great. I enjoyed it. Well, we might've been inspired by you at some point in your life story.

1:36:17That's it. Certainly could have happened. What? Just that like seeing things, you know, watching your story play out over the years. Just, you know, it's like just, you never know who you could inspire, you know, just like having a voice, somebody having a voice, you know, I mean, I saw the, you know, I saw your movie when I was growing up. That's right. I'm reminded. You're probably the age of my grandchildren. No, not at all. I began my work. I was 31. Listen, I'm 66 now with five grandkids. Yeah. I got a real good vision over a 30-year period of what's going on out there when it comes to the environment.

1:36:51But I'll tell you, I don't know that communities know how they've inspired me. And when we can inspire each other, and again, And that collective, what you're watching happening with the data centers, that's what makes change. And when we're united and when we're not divided, the inspiration we give each other and the difference we can make. Amen. And thank you for coming here today and sharing that message and sharing information. What was one thing like, what was one negative side effect of your story going to the level of like a movie level? Like, you know, and I think it was, was it an award-winning film?

1:37:32She won Best Actress. We almost got Best Picture, too. But another one of Steven Soderbergh's films do. But we got Best Direction, Best Writing, Best Screenplay, Best Actress. Erin Brockovich nominated for five Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Original Screenplay. Julia Roberts won an Oscar for Best Actress. Did you, yeah, was there something, I don't mean negative, I guess that's not the best thing. But was there something like, did you then feel like you had to be this larger than life figure? Like, was there like, was there any like, because everything has kind of like different things that are part of it, you know?

1:38:10I would just of late, I have kind of felt maybe what you just said. I can't complain about anything from any of the communities just to the incredible. I'm just thrilled the story was being able to be told. I don't know that it would have been my name or I didn't see any of this coming, but I'm glad the story got out there. But of late now, I can look back. It was pretty overwhelming for me, and it did come with ideas and expectations of who I was or wasn't supposed to be or suddenly put back into a box of how I was supposed to be, which is generally pretty frustrating for me. Yeah. and it's just been of late.

1:38:57I'm kind of looking back and seeing where some of my push points were, and it would be the idea and expectation of who I am, and I'm that same girl. I think everyone else, I don't know, thinks I'm supposed to, I don't know, dress like a Hollywood star or be perfect like that. I don't know. Or be like a lawyer. Yeah. I just wonder, was there certain energies? Because I find in my life at times it's like, you know I think you get to certain points in your life well who am I supposed to be and you look at certain things you're like well does that define me or is that just part of something that happened and what's going on I think we all kind of go through those things we do and I I've been through it but again I'm fascinated with the data centers because somehow this has hit me like Hinckley did and I'm just showing up as that person again and it kind of resonated with me I may have lost a little bit of who that person was, but these data centers is bringing me right back to it, right back to it, right back to what matters, the land, the air, the water, the people, our health, humanity.

1:40:05And I'm in my legacy phase. And for me, this is worth fighting for. I don't want my grandchildren to grow up. Yeah, with data stuck in them, yeah. I don't. Amen. Well, I'm so glad that it is. I'm so glad for your work and your insight. Hey, thank you for having me. I'm so glad for your time today. Tell your children thank you for their service. Erin Brockovich, let's keep in touch. I would like that. Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna tell you

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