E449 Duncan Trussell

32:56Dude. How poor are you guys? It's like a six flags knockoff. Yes. Like one of those shitty, like shitty theme parks where they don't even try to clean up the puke. Yeah. There's just puke splattered everywhere. You'll probably get like pickpocketed. You look at the kids controlling the roller coaster and they're like, clearly on PCP. They're not paying attention. You're people die. You know people die there, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah One of the guys running the rides is in a coma, but they have to hide like the government's like you have to hire more comatose people Yeah, it's just like yeah the guys like just like has his morphine button and his fucking start the ride button confused crazy I mean any theme park.

33:40I mean that is really like to me the More terrifying than the roller coaster itself is when you look at the person controlling the roller coaster And then imagine, like, what if that person was controlling subways in New York? Would you feel okay about that? But the roller coaster is probably more dangerous than the subway. Totally. It's like it shouldn't even work. It's like using weird physics. They hired a roller coaster architect. They could afford them for a couple of weeks, threw something together, and then they just let, like, a 17-year-old on, like, synthetic marijuana for sure. Oh, yeah.

34:17Control that fucking thing Yeah And then he spends That kid He lobbies to get a DJ there For the ride They're like we could spend more money on safety And he's like no way dude We need my boy Ricky right here To spin his tables on the side That's right and you know they have insurance So they're just like look I'm paying a shit ton of money for rollercoaster insurance If someone gets hurt They get fucking hurt We're getting a DJ. We're covered legally. This is the rhythm of the night. I think he's having a seizure. I think the rollercoaster operator just had a micro seizure. Oh, he's having a seizure, dude?

35:02Beat up the beat, bro. We got to drop the beat. That'll help him. Dude, I was in the back of a shit rollercoaster at a shit theme park, just like you're describing. and whoever was that like whoever's in charge of checking the the straps comes back to me i was just a kid man and she looks at me and she's like you're not even supposed to be sitting in the back the person next to you is heavy there's a chance you could break a rib there wasn't i'm gonna take you out and put you in a different seat she just said that as she's tightening the thing that's holding me in the car and then it just goes and she was right like the person next to me was smashing it hurt like it didn't break my ribs it should hurt man yeah it hurt it should hurt so what kind of meditation do you do theo what i do is i wake up in the morning i say a prayer i do a reading and then i do 10 minutes of meditation i just close my eyes I just sit there And if any thoughts come up I try to Just let them pass and not attach to them I set my phone timer for 10 minutes And that's it And then I do like a written meditation after that Where I'll just write for 10 minutes straight Just whatever comes into my head Stream of consciousness That's great man, you do that every day?

36:23I've done that every day man, I would say or at least 6 days a week I would say for probably the past few months 4 months maybe Wow, that's incredible It makes me feel a little bit more like I'm okay to think about stuff and not just be as reactive sometimes. Yeah, man. I mean, that's amazing. That's a long four months of like that kind of practice is a big deal. Yeah, it feels pretty good, man. But yeah, I think I went to. Well, let me think about that a little bit more. But yeah, I think Earth. I do believe in just going back to the aliens thing that I think that Earth is it's that old theme park.

37:00where it's like, dude, we're not driving all the way out there. There's nothing out there. All the information is these people are just trying to butt fuck and just looking at, you know, and growing yard drugs. Like, we're not going over there again. I'm picturing the alien display, like the Star Trek display as that pops up is what the analysis of planet Earth is. That's amazing. And they're just like, yeah, that's not worth our time. Yeah, we're not gonna burn vespine crystals to fucking go to that piece of shit now It will at some point though become hip with alien youth To come back here and do something because that's how everything is right like at some point it becomes cool to go to the To go into graveyards like for you know, there's always like this 20 years where nobody gives a shit about graveyards Nobody mentions them blah blah blah blah even on Halloween nobody's popping in But then something flares up where graveyards are fucking popular again, you know?

38:00Man, my friend ran a graveyard and it was a big problem. Goths fucking on the graves. Really? Yeah, they had a problem with goths fucking on the graves and peacocks. Wow. I guess the peacocks, I can't remember the problem with the peacocks. Either they were like aggressive or they were too loud or something. But the main problem was at night goths would like squirm in under the gate and just fuck on graves yeah for some reason it's like a that's a bit like if you're running a graveyard which by the way is apparently like a very profitable business then you have to have a plan for what to do when people come and hump on the tombs because there's some i don't know what it is there's some kind of you know i went I was jogging in that graveyard once and I was so thirsty, Theo.

38:50And I turn on a spigot and just drink some water and then I realized, I'm drinking fucking graveyard. This is graveyard water. That's grave gravy, baby. You're sipping on - I'm drinking grave gravy. Yeah. It didn't taste good either, man. It had a weird tang to it. Yeah, that's fucking marrow, son. Oh, God. Oh, God. Dude, you could sell that though. There's no way you couldn't sell pure death filtered water. Grave water. Grave water. They already have, what is it like, what's the new canned water every, liquid death. It's like, that's their premium. Yes. Bottled at a cemetery in New Orleans that doesn't have great sanitation.

39:40Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you are getting I don't know if you've seen Have you ever been to a shit cemetery Speaking of shit theme parks Have you ever been to a non And you smell You can smell the death And some of the graves Like the crypt Yeah they're hatched open a little bit Or somebody's Yeah Yeah People will get in there People will steal a bone I remember Oh they love it Well dude I grew up in a neighborhood Between a lot of people would drive From like the main thoroughfare in town And then they would go through our neighborhood Which was pretty dumpy and go on to like kind of wealthier areas.

40:15And we were right outside of the city limits or the town limits. I think we lived in a town. But a lot of people would just throw shit out and once they got outside of the city limits because there wasn't like a, you couldn't get a fine for it or whatever. So a lot of, there was a veterinarian that would throw out all the animal shit in our yard, like into our ditch by us, right? No. Yeah, so they'd have dead animal carcasses out there all the time. So we were always beating each other with fucking, you know, fucking like Bichon femurs and shit or just whipping each other. If you got a fucking big Labrador or German Shepherd fucking tibia that came through, boy, we would beat the fuck out of each other with that.

41:02Because for sure they're telling the people who are euthanizing their animals, they're saying to them, don't worry, we're going to cremate these bodies and we're going to give you the ashes. Yeah. So what they have is probably just a pile of ash because it's probably expensive to run a cremation service for animals. Oh, yeah. So they're sending fake ash to the grieving dog owners. Or barbecue ash, something probably out of a pit. And so the dog owners have no idea that the fucking Vons are beating each other with their beloved dog's spine. Whoop that trick. Remember that song? Whoop that trick.

41:42So sad. But it was crazy. We'd have all this. So we'd also like we'd do like paleontology where like make cool animals and bury them. And like there was some cool stuff like that. But yeah, after a while, my mom would get so pissed because the yard would always smell like dead animals. Jesus Christ, man. So we had this abundance of like dead animal smell, which is a it's a tough smell to enjoy your childhood in. To want to play in, you know. That's horrible, man. It was bad. And nobody cared at the city, man. That's what made me hate government right out the gate. You know, is like if we'd had a little more money, they would have come and got the animals out.

42:17You know, it's the beginning of a horror movie for sure. Like somebody like has their like demonic dog euthanized and is like, you have to make sure you cremate this fucking thing. Yeah, it's like, I'll cremate it, sure. There you go. Of course I'll cremate it. Yeah, I'll cremate that bitch right now. Yeah, don't worry. Just throw it in the Vaughn's yard. The boys like to make art with the bones. That one little fella, yeah. Yeah, that's... Queer. They start calling him queer for no reason. Like, Jesus, he's just playing with the bones, dude. Yeah, that's how you know for sure. Like, that's really crazy, man.

42:52I can't... I'm just trying to picture like my childhood being defined by the waft of death. That's dark, man. That's dark. How long did that go on for? Probably, I would say three years probably. Maybe. And the summer I think was the worst because of the smell. And it would kind of happen in shifts. It wouldn't be like every day they would throw stuff out there, you know. There would be kind of a time of the month or whatever. I don't want to make it like, you know, whatever that's called, periodical or whatever. But it would be like a time of the month where the guy would just come and toss it all out there.

43:31They'd run it through and toss it out at night. I wonder why you picked your house. Well, they just picked along our street. Okay, I got you. So I think because it was just right outside of city limits, you know. And I think they probably lived in like some of the nicer areas. So it was kind of this pass through McGee Street over there in Covington, Louisiana. and people would just throw all kind of stuff out over there. But you did. I remember this one girl had a little collection of the little dog little things. Like dog parts? No, like little medallions. Some dogs wear jewelry or something.

44:08Yeah, like some dogs wear little jewelry, I guess, if they're like fucking from Florida or whatever. I don't even know why they would do it. Like bedazzled collars. Like Trixie or something Or Fluffy or Buddy or whatever Yeah, that's weird, man But she had a little collection of those But it was weird shit like that in our area You know, they had a prosthetic limb place, boss And we'd go in their dumpster sometimes And get a fucking extra limb out that bitch That's funny I get that But, yeah, I get that And I get, as a kid, being excited in some weird way About having animal carcasses in a ditch Like, that is interesting There's something cool about that Yeah, it was interesting.

44:48But it's going to get old, that's all. Yeah, and the waft of it was bad. That was the worst part. And I think my mom hated that. She hated, you know, leaving us there and being under the waft of those animals probably. You know. Because it just haunts everything. Well, it's the smell of death. You're not supposed to like it. Like, it's supposed to tell you, don't go here. This is a place that you might get killed. That's why we don't like it, right? This is a place where you might get eaten. Yeah. It smells like death here. That's a bear ate somebody, so don't go there. Yeah. So your DNA is telling you, you got to get the fuck out of here, man.

45:19Things are dying here. And you just, you're forced to live there. Yeah, it was an interesting area, man. But yeah, I think that's the thing. There will come a time, and maybe it's coming now. Because aliens seems to be the, you know, gaining popularity. I don't know if it's gaining popularity or if it's gaining, like, more sightings or whatever. What is this? Yeah, this is actually pretty topical. NASA just held like a four hour press conference about UFOs for the first time. And they're basically admitting that it's a daily occurrence at this point. UFOs. Actually, there's one thing that's happened since this weirdly boring NASA press conference where they did say this.

46:00Did you see the thing? There's now a whistleblower who has come forward and said that the United States has alien spaceship wreckage. and a congressman, I can't remember his name, gave a statement to the press saying they were debriefed that, in fact, we have alien wreckage, and they're about to have hearings on it. So all the UFO people are, yeah, that's it, the we're definitely not alone thing. People are really freaking out right now because this is what all the UFO people have been saying is coming. Disclosure. So, yeah, it's that guy. A whistleblower says he handed over classified evidence, proving that a secret government program has been recovering spaceships and aliens for decades.

46:46We're definitely not alone, David Grush says. He's a former intelligence and military official.

47:02Representative, Republican Dean Phillips, a representative Dean Phillips from Minnesota, Democrat. And my first reaction is probably like everybody watching this, which is wow. And secondly, I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, that's fair. You're not supposed to immediately believe UFO. Oh, no. But what's interesting about this is that the denial that usually happens when things like someone says it's not really happening in the same way. And again, there was a congressman who said we were debriefed. Like, did you ever see that? So, like, they did hearings on UAPs a while ago. And then after the hearing, they debriefed the feds, the Congress.

47:46The Congress, they debriefed them. And they did an interview with one of these representatives in the hallway after he just got told whatever the fuck they told him. And he said, you can find it on YouTube. He said something along the lines of, lock your doors and windows tonight, folks. That was his response. Like, whatever they told him inspired him to say we should, like, lock our doors. Like, let's keep an alien out. Lock your doors after classified hearing on UFOs. A Louisiana senator. Now we're talking. Yeah, man. This is the same state that couldn't keep brothers outside of my head when I was a kid.

48:25Dude, I'm telling you. You could, like, this is nuts. You can watch. Are you allowed to show YouTube videos on here? There's a clip of him doing it. It's hilarious. Is this him right here doing it? Oh, yeah, that's it. Five unidentified flying objects that a couple of weeks ago our skies were clear. And then all of a sudden we have spy balloons and other unidentified flying objects raining down on us like confetti. That is not accurate.

48:56These objects have been flying over us for years. many years. We've known about those objects for many years. We're not sure that we've known about all of them, but we've known about many of them, except for the Chinese spy balloon. We don't know what they are. What's different about the last two weeks is that we've started shooting them down. But we can't find the remnants except for the spy point. And that's what I took away from the hearing today. So I don't know if he paid attention during the whole hearing. No. Confetti. Raining down like confetti. It's a great descriptor. Yeah, that's what I don't...

49:54But maybe I could see if there's an alien life form you shoot it you whatever yeah and it dissipates part of the way it's constructed is not to fall down to this that would be the first thing I would make of something that can't leave evidence right like exactly but so like based on the stuff that's coming out right now and you know I love UFOs in the same way I love like stories about magic and miracles and I but I don't go full bore into it because ultimately like day-to-day reality isn't impacted like you know mundane reality right taking care of the kids paying the mortgage so you can get too distracted by that stuff and spin out but this moment in united states history is really fascinating in the sense that if we go back to roswell it was a weather balloon that's what they say even though there's like many accounts of people saying that they saw aliens there was weird wreckage that uh seemed to be able to like you could bend it out of shape and it would go back into the form it was just like weird shit right this gets uh denied by the government it was wreckage weird stories about it whatever we get area 51 you know what i mean like it has its own airplane that flies people in And you get a variety of like early phase government whistleblowers like Lazar, I think is his name.

51:24Alan Lazar. Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar, yeah. Bob Lazar. You get like that. And then these people get creamed in the media. It's like that's a lunatic. He never worked at Area 51. This is bullshit. He's like a con artist, whatever. but now what's happening is instead of the denial that generally follows the whistleblower's admission of the us like having some connection to aliens it's not getting denied as much anymore and in fact this whistleblower program they just created makes it so anyone who signed an NDA who's a private contractor and has been assigned to work on alien wreckage can now come forward and say I worked on this shit and they get full immunity because that apparently was the back door.

52:09Like you. So there was these programs you could hire like, I don't know, name any like Raytheon. I don't know for sure. I don't know if they have records. I'm just throwing out like a defense contractor. Raytheon. Hire Raytheon. Duracell. Hire Duracell. Say, look, we've got this ship. It crashed. Can you guys hang on to it? Try to reverse engineer it. and so now a private contractor has collected the wreckage has the wreckage meaning if you're asked under oath do we have wreckage you could say no and because we don't a private contractor has the wreckage that was the loophole so now they set up this whistleblower program and all these people like that guy are starting to come out people who just like worked at hyundai or i don't know worked it like dodge neon dodge neon and they were like hey what can you reverse engineer this thing that seems to be bending the time-space continuum, and they're like, no, but they couldn't say anything about it because they signed these hardcore NDAs.

53:07So now they're all leaking the data. So we're getting this weird, slow leak from all these people that's painting a picture. And that's a real program that they allow. Now, how did that program get created, the Whistleblower Program? So what was happening was, well, the biggest problem is like people, apparently people get around these things, And everyone listening, you can look all this up. It's like all it's I've got the documents. It's documented. It's real. Like, it's not like I'm just it's real. You can find all this stuff. But the biggest problem is you're a Navy pilot. Yeah. And you see something that is not functioning according to your understanding.

53:47Not kosher. Seems odd. It's going so fast. It's stopping. It's just stopping like it's a cursor on a computer screen. Then it's going the opposite direction. is jamming your radar it doesn't seem to have windows right so you see that and your choices are do i say i saw what is obviously a ufo and if you do you could really like fuck your career up yeah so you couldn't talk about it the other problem is that apparently people who get too close to these things they have there's a physiological impact so let's imagine you got close to one of these things and now you're sick the va won't pay for it right because there are no ufos what are you talking about?

54:28And so inadvertently you end up creating a situation where people won't say what they're seeing up in the sky, which isn't great. If you're trying to defend the sky, we want to know what's out there. You want to know everything that's flying through us airspace. Right. So yeah, the whistleblower program was, I think initially to kind of create a safe way, a safe haven where people could say, okay, this is what I saw. I don't want to endanger myself. I don't want to endanger not being able to get medical care and things like that. That's it. Yeah. And then and now it's sort of like now that it's working, it's, you know, all you need is like one person to come forward.

55:11It's like me too for aliens. Just one person, then the next person, then the next person, then the next person. You know, that's what's happening. all these people who've kept this shit like completely secret sure bottled up imagine the people that have molested people or something just because they saw an alien and they didn't know how to process or went insane or like you know like like uh so many things yeah beat their spouse or just imagine a guy he saw something in his whole life he spent hiding things from him like taking anything in hiding you know like just weird there's weird ways that people react to things that seem beyond them yeah you know it eats you alive and then add to it that apparently these people have been threatened with death that whoever's running this shit is not fucking around they they don't want the general populace they don't want the world to know that this has happened because apparently, and again, this is just conjecture here.

56:12Obviously, from a military perspective, if you figure out how those things can fly and you build a fleet of them, it's like the new atom bomb. You have complete superiority in the sky. If you're living in the United States right now, you want us to be the ones. You want to be first. You don't want some other country who they apparently all have this shit to like win this race. But what about Mexico, dog? You know, they don't have the fucking strongest. They're like, dog, these motherfuckers, dog. That'd be incredible if all of a sudden they have the most advanced air force. Some guy just comes up with the fucking, and bro, it's the lowest riding UFO ever.

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1:02:15What does somebody gain? Um, do we need a new enemy? Are they realizing that like religion isn't working enough on people anymore or the fear of there's not enough fear imposed on people at them? You know, I don't know. Or it could just be that that's blue beam. You're talking about blue beam. That's the big conspiracy theory. That's like essentially like there's two possibilities. The one you just said, which I guess if you're going to do like Occam's razor, that is the most likely one. What is Occam's razor? The simplest solution is generally the solution. So in this case, it's more likely this is a human operation than aliens based on our understanding of physics and the distance of habitable.

1:03:03galaxies where they have planets in the Goldilocks region, the amount of time it would take to get here, based on what we understand about how fast you can go. Probably, if you're going to bet, bet it's not an alien, right? In Vegas, if you're betting, you're probably, you should always bet that's not an alien. That's a human thing. You're going to win most of the time. So that is one of the possibilities. It's very sinister. The idea being there's some social control benefit related to tricking the population of the planet into thinking there's aliens. That's probably not the Yakim's razor of it then.

1:03:41I mean the other side of it is well we live on a planet that's been being visited by a variety of alien species that more than likely genetically engineered us a long time ago and like shifted us from proto hominids into what we are now probably for a reason that we're not going to like like they like were Roombas or something. I mean, that's one of the theories is they just wanted gold. So they genetically engineered us to like gold. So we naturally mine fucking gold for them because we like shiny shit. We like gold and that they use it as some kind of fuel. Oh, yeah. Have you seen Basketball Wives, dude?

1:04:21No. The whole show's about that. Oh, gold. Right. They love gold. It's crazy. It's like, what are we even doing here? Right. It doesn't make sense. Like, why do you like this shiny, stupid, heavy fucking metal? Why are you into that so much? There's so many other cooler metals out there. But gold obsession is a real thing. So the theory is these Anunnaki programmed us to light gold because they need it for their spaceships. They didn't give a shit about us. They're just like, do them. Let's farm some gold here. That's it. Brilliant from that perspective. So that to me is a far more complex and weird explanation than just the military industrial complex has like networked with other governments.

1:05:04And they're like, I think they're at the point they're so fucking dumb. They're going to believe there's aliens and like we can manipulate them. That's what it seems like. That's what it would seem like to me. Because I don't know, unless we're getting to the point where so many people are being like, there's so much evidence. The more you make me think this is not real, the more I'm just thinking you are not honest. Right. Like at a certain point, the residual effect of the magic trick isn't, it doesn't cause the beautiful deception anymore. It causes you to hate the magician. Exactly. Exactly.

1:05:48So that's the thing that's weird, bro. It's like, you know, why? Why? And look, I would love to see it. Would I like to meet an alien? I don't know, dude. You would. Give me a break. You know, just from our few podcasts together and conversations we had, I don't, wouldn't you like it? Of course you'd like to meet an alien. It'd be the coolest thing ever. Don't you want to know what they smell like? No one ever talks about that. What do they smell like? What does a gray alien's head smell like? Yeah. Is it bitter? Is it a stinky smell? Is it fishy? Oh, if they're fishy, dude, I'm out. Bro, how much would this smell of aliens depend on how much we give a fuck about it anymore?

1:06:36A lot! Huge, bro. If they smell anything like a Korean pet store, dude, I'm fucking gone. Dude, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Spoiler, if you haven't seen it, I'm going to spoil it. Very end, the guy who's been building the Mud Mountains happily walks into the spaceship, the beautiful musical spaceship. Imagine the fucking thing closes and you catch that first waft of deep fish laying out in the beach smell as you're like light speed heading away from the planet. That's going to be what you smell forever. As you look out at the vastness of space, black holes, all the beauty of space. All you can think about is there's just this stink, rotting eggs and fucking fish.

1:07:28Bro, we would hate aliens. Immediately we would hate them. Like these stinky motherfuckers. They smell so bad and they refuse to like take showers. Like, no, we don't do that. No, we'll evaporate you before we'll take a fucking shower. No, we're the advanced intelligence. You're supposed to stink. They're like, no, this is one of the many things we figured out. If you don't stink, you haven't evolved. Like we go, we used to not stink. And then we learned, we learned this is our purpose here to emit foul odors. Dude, I wonder also the odors that we closet so much now, right? Like from shaving, washing, and all the things that we do and use in ointments.

1:08:16How much of that we're like taking out of like, how much other stuff would I gather about you if you came in with two, say 80 days of hot smell on you, 80 days of fresh Dunkin' on you. Post-Burning Man Dunkin'. Yeah. you come fucking rolling in, you've been hugging your kid, you've been with your wife, you worked a couple of long weeks, right? You've fucking been on seven flights. Yeah. But you get the full, like I wonder how much are we killing off like some of that to go back to that like scan of people. Like how much of that was in our brains that we knew how to scan, that we were able to gather more.

1:08:58Like what if we were the aliens initially? I got you. and we've dumbed ourselves we've we've killed off all of those things i got you yeah man i got you it's like uh the the there's this i heard of this study where they took and i don't know how they did this and um i'm not a scientist and honestly when i hear about studies maybe one out of a hundred i try to actually read the study and then when i do try i realize how dumb i am i'm like i don't understand statistics but so all that being said apparently a study they found like good genetic matches for women and they like based on their genetics and this person's genetics somehow this is like they would theoretically make a great baby so they take these dudes shirts put them in ziplock bags and they let the women just smell the shirts so the women are like smelling like you know 10 shirts and they're like pick the one that you would want to go on a date with right and so apparently all of them picked the right genetic match based on the stink of the shirt well but the ones who didn't they want birth control so there was some weird connection to like something about that was cutting off what you're talking about the ability to discern from someone's stink it's some subliminal level what's going on with it and yeah man it's a good question like how much of the problems we're having right now are just because we don't stink enough like we're supposed to smell you're supposed to smell horrible all day long honest stink good stink i would hate that world though man i would i like not stinking yeah i've grown accustomed to it now if you gateway stank me if you did some gateway stanking where like you somebody stopped by this stank or you put me in an uber for four minutes and like oh that guy stinks yeah and then you next day you do me a six minute uber and then two days later i have to you know i have to stay sleep overnight at a buddy's apartment who lives right next door to like uh you know uh canter canterbury row or whatever what was that got place that that guy always talked about cannery row cannery row right so like if you keep upping the stink on me where eventually i fucking wanted something that stank yeah you know i'm saying i wanted to meet a bitch by the sand and and fucking in uh oahu it's hot you know or in kiyohi or somewhere it's nice isn't it it's nice that the non-sterilized human it's not like it's a terrible smell and you know how much of what we consider to be like bo is actually just all the weird shit they put in our food how much of it is just our body's desperate attempts to vent like cheetos where your body's like i gotta get this shit out it's like you know they're dumping fukushima right now they don't know what to do with the fukushima radioactive water and they're dumping it in the ocean it's like that our bodies are just trying to get the poisons out of us like you know like think of like when you drink a lot that next day you smell like booze it's so gross oh it's crazy we've had on the uh when we're tour and we've had tour manager uh tour uh people come on the tour who drink a lot and in the morning you'll walk through like the little but like the part where the bunks are and the people are sleeping in there yeah and it'll be like oh my god and you can since i don't drink i can smell almost what they've had sometimes it's crazy like they've had beer they've had vodka uh and and and or when your piss smells like coffee i don't know if that's you know that's or i don't know if you ever eaten so much weed that your BO starts smelling like weed, it happens.

1:12:47It's just, you know, it happens. And I've heard, now this is probably bullshit that - Probably isn't. Like saints, like gurus, people who've meditated their whole lives, who've gained enlightenment, they smell different. Like they smell sweet and perfumey. Like the original smell of humans was, or - Look at Filipinos. What do you mean? I mean, Filipinos, I could have named seven Filipinos. They don't smell good. Really? Or wait, you're using them as an example of like a bad smell? No, I think they're enlightened people. Oh, they smell good. Oh, I gotcha. Man, I mean, it's probably a mark against me that I'm not familiar with the smell of Filipinos.

1:13:26That's sad. I wonder if one ethnicity doesn't filter as well as the other. I'm sure. We all have so many differences. Whitney Cummins is having a baby. What? That's amazing. I didn't know that. That's so cool. Wow. When did that? She, I smelled it on her. You smelled the baby? Yeah, that would have been good. What's that, huh? You're a growing life, Whitney. See, I bet in the old days that was possible. There's no way you couldn't roll up on somebody and smell if they were in a relationship, if they were sad. Yeah. If they were, if they had probably defecated recently, if they had had a birthday.

1:14:14Right. You just named everything that happened to me today. The, the, the, um. But there's, think about all the things in the smell that, cause it's like, we don't, there's a lot of stuff. Dude, sight gives you so many clues, bro. You ever been on a little bit of mushrooms or something? Oh, yeah. Or done some ayahuasca, and you can tell somebody's entire life story by looking right in their eyes, and you're right. Dude, this is why I don't do acid in public anymore. Because, like, you might be having a great time, but then all of a sudden, for whatever reason, you literally experience a person's consciousness.

1:14:53Like, it transfers to you. You see the pain. You see the sadness, the anger, the bitterness, the heartbreak, and you just wanted to have fun. You wanted to go out to a bar and drink, but suddenly you're being inundated by a person. You're like, what happened to you? Yeah, man. That's a lot. And they're like, Randy's dead. And you're like, God. Is that, I think this is why like clairvoyance, you hear clairvoyance complain and stuff or like psychics or whatever. They don't like it. They don't want to be sensitive like that because that's their daily experience is just getting blasted by people's karma.

1:15:27And it hurts and you don't know what to do. Yeah, I could imagine. I think there's also probably a lot of lazy psychics out there. Yeah, for sure. And they're like, ugh, yeah. Here comes a little bit more information about, you know, Brenda, you know? They don't give it all. They know it'll open a can of worms. I'm going to fucking ignore that. Their grandmother is like talking to the psychic. She killed me. She fucking burned my body in hydrochloric acid, poured me in Theo Vaughn's yard. Please call the police. And the psychic's like, fuck that. The psychic's like, grandma says hello. Yeah, she loves you.

1:16:10She loves you. She loves you. She's happy you're doing well. Yeah, and she just wanted me to say yes. She thinks you have a beautiful yard or something. She makes it, yeah. That sucks, man. I don't like getting around psychics. And also masseuses I get creeped out by because I feel like sometimes they, you know masseuses are often weirdly psychic because they're touching bodies all day and i get creeped out like are you detecting something right are you sensing some psychic blockage that i need to be working on that you're afraid to tell me it makes sense that they can do it some of them can you know they have all those reiki healers and those people that are really what is reiki let's bring it up zachary please have you heard of this stuff yeah it's therapy reiki therapy is a way of guiding energy throughout uh guiding energy is based on the idea that we all have an unseen life force energy that flows through our bodies according to the international center for reiki training a reiki practitioner gently moves her hands so it seems to be and i've seen this as well i've only been offered reiki from a woman removes her hands just above or on the client's clothed body with the intention of reducing stress and promoting healing by encouraging a healthy flow of energy.

1:17:32Yeah, it's like how much of a vessel are we? Let me hit that riff a bit. You got it, man. I was feeling guilty. Oh, no, don't do it. Don't re-trigger it, man. Don't re-trigger it, Theo. It's a horrible addiction. I know it is. I want out. I've been thinking about getting acupuncture Go ahead, it's actually a very good vape It's a nice flavor What do you think? Isn't that great? It is really good, man I'm sorry It's okay, this is our lives, man I came in here and poisoned you It's a contagion I triggered your reactant I triggered you You had to have it, I'm so sorry This is the problem But I wanted it It's good And also that particular one has this weird heft to it That I like Yeah it feels sturdier kind of like a Jeep Grand Cherokee Yeah or like a carpenter's vape It's like a industrial vape Keep it on the belt You know Energy blockage man That does it to me Yes this is like I don't want to get into vape lecturing Everyone's addicted to this shit right now But I'm listening to this great book I think it's called Why We Meditate.

1:18:48It's so good. And basically the idea is many people, me included, are in a hurry, rushing around. And the reason we're in a hurry is because we have this speedy kind of energy in our chest. It's that feeling when you're like, fuck, I got to go. I got to do this, get to do that, that thing. You should have seen me when I rolled in here. I'm sorry, Zach. I want to apologize again. Me too. I was excited to see you, but also, I'm like, fuck, I'm late. You're doing this weird speedy thing. Well, what's triggering that is energy that anyone who out there is anxious or feeling in a hurry or freaked out right now, you can just tune into it easily.

1:19:30You just feel it. It's like a fast kind of buzzing sort of weird energy in your chest generally. It's hard to get rid of it. Well, it's a block. So according to this book, that energy is supposed to be under your belly button, not up in your chest. Your energy's gotten all fucked up, but now it's all stuck in your chest. And so via meditation, breathing exercises, the idea is over time you sort of retrain yourself to get that energy throughout your whole body. It's not supposed to be just here. Imagine if you could spread it out like nice peanut butter over your entire psychic body. That would be very powerful.

1:20:15It's just not supposed to be right. You're not supposed to be freebasing the anxiety.

1:20:23Yeah, I feel like that's the culture we're in now where we are freebasing our own anxiety. Yeah, man. We have boiled it down to like just a granular, powerful rock. It's like fentanyl. we've done the same thing fentanyl did for heroin we just figured out a way to just hyper accentuate our anxiety and coffee doesn't help i mean i was in red bull nothing else man it's already yawn in here but i think that was like my body saying hey man we're trying to slow it down do you feel overwhelmed i'm sorry to cut you off yeah you have one of the top podcasts right now uh we've been fortunate and i want to come I'm on your show too.

1:21:01Thank you. I owe you that. Thank you. I know a few years ago we had talked about it. And I think, I don't know if you asked me or not. And then I think the pandemic happened. And I think I said that I was, there was a time where I was going through a space where I could barely even talk to people at all. Oh my God. So, but let's get that done here. And I don't know if you can do it over Zoom. If not, I'll. Zoom, it's all, mine's easy. It's all remote. You don't have to be anywhere at your convenience. You're busy, man. You're touring all the time. But I want to do it soon. I want to do it in the next month or two so that we can, I want to bury that.

1:21:34That's been a little bit of a hatchet for me in my life. I know I brought it up. Well, I said I wanted to do it and never did it. Thank you. Theo, apology accepted. It's so fun just to spend time with you. Same. That's what I'm realizing. I'm like, I'm realizing I'm missing out sometimes on getting to spend time with people because I get so caught up in my own responsibilities. Well, podcasts are friendship dates. Did you know that? That's what it is. It's a date for friendship. It's how I meet all my friends. I just realized that the other day. I went to do Rogan and I knew I was going to be in town for a bit, but he's so busy.

1:22:04I mean, he's like, I can't even imagine how just busier responsibilities he has. He's also a father. You're a father. So I realized, man, I should have used that time with him on the show to be our friendship time. And sometimes I think of those times more as like, I do think of it as, but I could have brought to him more like questions I have about things. where like i could have used some guidance or some suggestions or yeah um sometimes i i i don't know why i sometimes don't do that you know and i think with joe we're still getting to know each other some yeah and his is such a big show i think you are nervous as well but um you know that is like the abyss of that show is the moment you start thinking about how many people watch it it's scary if you let your mind go there man that is a i really try not to do that like before i do it's so easy to like think about that and you're like jesus fucking christ this is like the top podcast yeah earth but yours is like the second i saw we were scrolling through something i don't know what it was but i mean shit we've been real fortunate man you know we've been real fortunate well you're funny too i mean it's also you're super funny i see your stuff pop up on my my wife makes fun of me because i do instagram reels instead of tiktok and she thinks that's an old man thing too oh really but your stuff pops up a lot it's very it's like i love watching it like it always makes me laugh yeah we got all kinds of neat stuff out there well i think also you're such a unique thinker man i think that um that we need we're gonna need you more and more in the future are you feeling that that you whatever gifts you were kind of given like because in the beginning you were basically really just a comedian, right?

1:23:54Yeah. Was that your original goal? Dude, I wish I could say I had an original goal. That's my problem. It's so— Malleable? Malleable, chaotic. And also, I really try as much as possible, not out of some—not spiritual high road in here, but, man, I try to stay in the present moment, not because of this is where you should be to find peace, but because man, when I go too far up here or I go into the future or I go into the past, I just freak the fuck out. Yeah. But if I'm like here in the moment and just letting like the moment happen, it's so wonderful. And so, and then when I start thinking like, what the fuck am I?

1:24:37Am I a podcaster, a comedian? And am I a voice actor? What the fuck am I? I freak out. because it's like, I have no idea. Yeah. So it just seems easier to be like, all right. Let's just go with the punches and be who I am. Yeah. Right. And hope for the fucking best, right? Because that's all you can really do. I mean, honestly, like looking at the world right now as it is, it's like, come on. Like, are we really going to have a next week? Right. You think we're going to have a next month? I don't know. I mean, there's aliens on the front porch. Yes. There's fucking people are fighting. We don't even know who's really behind the fighting.

1:25:13There's like old war debts and like IOUs from companies that are like from BlackRock and SlumberJay that probably still are milling around in the distance of invoices being sent to countries. And people have died in wars that we don't even know if they were given the right reason they were fighting for. Oh, you mean the – this is the crazy thing about the Russia thing, man. These are conscripts. Like everyone sells – What's a conscript? It means that you are drafted. And the real problem with all the people celebrating the death of Russian soldiers like they're fucking blow-up dolls is that I get not liking a dictator, Putin, and fucking invaded Ukraine.

1:26:00Fuck you. But you can't forget, and this is the paradox, a lot of those people on the front lines getting blown up by drones were political prisoners. Right. that got forced to go fight in a goddamn meat grinder by the dude who arrested them because they tried to get him out of office. Wow. Imagine that. You know what I mean, man? It's really sad. It's like these are, I mean, I don't know who's in jail in Russia. I imagine there's some really scary people in Russian jails who did horrible things. But I know for sure a lot of people in russian jails or people who just protested like the government yeah and those are the ones who are on the front fucking lines so it's like you can't really celebrate the fact that some majority or some some percentage of them are like were actually activists some percentage of them were just trying to make more democracy happen in russia yeah and they got arrested so yeah man exactly world war three oh by the way i'm i don't i'm not trying to get all negative here no i'm We're just looking at the landscape of things.

1:27:05I think most people are thinking that. But here right now, hanging out with you, talking, telling stories. And for most people, you know, this moment is so beautiful. Look how beautiful. Even like in a podcast studio where there's like cameras and lights, just like how cool it is just to exist. There's color. Oh, yeah. Existing is great, man. And you have to remember that, hey, at least I get to be here for whatever this is. at least nature gave me a not like i've gotten to come to the edge of the fishbowl for a moment and whatever the existence of the universe is and have open eyes and see something like you know i'm saying like it's all gonna fucking disappear so it's like the fact that we're even getting to see a little bit of it or have feelings like love or um jerking off or hugging somebody or eating some salmon or something you're having some you know you're getting to have some unique moments or having a child and hugging your child getting your child um you know a chocolate or something you know it's nice it's the best and in that like the thing i've realized lately is the amount of anxiety or worry that i'm experiencing in the present moment if i let myself worry about some future catastrophe is actually worse than if the catastrophe happened yeah you You know what I'm talking about?

1:28:30Totally. Like you imagine the thing you're most afraid of happening, whatever it may be. And then think about how bad you feel as you worry over it versus the day after that rotten thing happens. So it's like you're worse off and it hasn't even happened than if it did happen. You're already suffering an outcome that you don't even know if it's real or not. And nine out of ten times, it's not as bad. Not as bad. Nine out of ten times. whatever it is i mean obviously there's a few things that are going to be worse than feeling anxious getting like slowly eaten by a bear yeah that's going to be worse than like whatever your emotional state is but most things pretty cool and i probably death too i imagine i imagine death is like the ultimate version of like fuck i spent my whole life worrying about this right this is real chill this is great yeah it's probably going through one of those turnstile things like it's a little wonky at first and you bump into it and you're like oh this thing doesn't even fucking open do I have the right thing and then it opens you're like oh right here we are here we are again this is where I always come and it's beautiful and my every single day I was like trying to protect myself from this you know what I'll do it again and then you reincarnate again and eventually maybe you figure it out do you think everybody gets drafted for reincarnation I don't think so what do you mean um do you think god redrafts does everybody get drafted for reincarnation you like a parent like the model i like for reincarnation is that it is uh that you don't have to but you probably will and that you've been doing it forever like the amount of time if you're a human you've been incarnating so many times it's impossible to even imagine how long you've been reappearing.

1:30:23I don't know. Some people are brand new humans, though. You ever get that fresh out the box, motherfucker? You're like, yeah, this is your first lap on this pony, homie. You know? He's like trying to get on the horse. He's like, I don't know what to do. You know? I've been a bumblebee for the last 6 ,000 incarnations. You want me to suddenly be a fucking human? Drive a car? Yeah, man. Yeah, I think it's possible. He's just fucking driving Uber and just hand eating, hand eating honey out of a jar the whole time. I was a fly. I was a slug. And I'm a human now. That's it. Have patience. Those people should have a little sign on that says, look, this is the last seven things I was.

1:31:11So cut me a little bit of slack here. Like, damn, this guy was a daddy long legs four times in a row. I was a bacteria And now he's Luka Doncic Jesus Christ man Have some Support for the guy Give him a break Yeah you're right it's like it's bullshit It's like there's all these old souls floating around Like acting like this Human thing is easy Flowing with every moment And making it see it's like no Fuck you you're like the guy at the gym You're like the guy at the gym with a six pack and the perfect fucking body who's been working out their whole lives. And that belt, and he has the weight just hanging off the belt the whole time he's at the gym?

1:31:54What is that? What is that? That's crazy. It's crazy, yeah. I mean, I think this is what I love, even if it's not real, reincarnation is a method for self, for being compassionate to yourself. Because it's like you don't know what you were in your last lifetime. You want to talk about epigenetics affecting current behavior patterns. According to these ideas, your past lives and decisions you've made in your past lives are flowering right now and at the present moment. So when you're beating yourself up, you know, about this or that, it could be that really what you're experiencing is karma from the time you thought it would be funny to grab the baby out of the baby carriage and throw it in front of a truck or something in the early 40s.

1:32:35You know what I mean? You don't know what the bad luck you're experiencing is necessarily originating from. Right. This could be, yeah. Yeah, this could be some guy, a previous life, you're paying the debts of a previous existence. Exactly. So just take it easy on yourself. Take it easy on yourself because it's, who knows? Well, it's hard to stomach. And I think, though, that if we lived still in tribal communities and stuff, and there was a lot more connectivity between past lives, and we honored, like, who had died previously and this and that, and we were still connected to them, I think then you would have more, like, compassion from your group.

1:33:08Like, oh, what you're dealing with now is what grandfather so-and-so did. And, you know, it's still making its way out of the DNA back into nature. Yeah, Whitney's having that baby, man. Congratulations. Mazel tov, Whitney. That's great. That's great. It's so cool. It's the best. I never – did you guys ever date you and Whitney? No. Yeah, me neither. Never did. Did you want it? I think maybe, you know, I wouldn't mind maybe a date or something, probably. Yeah, of course. I think there's something that happens as you get older, if you don't have a family, when women start to get knocked up or when people start to sparse off.

1:33:53My best friend Scott just got engaged where you start thinking like, oh. Oh, shit. I know what you're talking about. You're experiencing a version of what we're all going to experience in our 70s. my meditation teacher's teacher Chogyamchun Rinpoche said to him when you get old your friends start dying like flies just dying so now what you're experiencing is like pre-death they're going into a new life they're being reincarnated as a parent and you know no matter what they're saying no matter how much comfort they may or may not be offering you regarding their presence in your life you know it's just not they're they're gonna blink out of your reality for a little bit it's gonna change it's gonna change it has to there everything shifts everything and you there's just like no way around that i mean kids are a it's a full-time experience you you want to hang out yeah and you know what we experienced the the breeders we experienced our friends eventually being like not asking us if we want to go get a drink anymore because they know because every time they ask like fuck gotta get a babysitter oh i can't i'm doing this or that and then so it's it sucks at that level man i mean it takes extra discipline i'm sorry man you know what you maybe it's time yeah to start seeking your uh life partner i think some of that is true too you know i think i had well when i went to and i did ayahuasca i think it was probably maybe a year ago right and so that was the first time that i started having an experience with like the younger me like the child me you know and realizing that i just had never wanted to grow up because i never got to be the child i wanted to be right i had this and i'm not like having self-pity i'm not trying to just like oh but there was a lot of i think i had held a huge grudge against the world and then of just life the way things have played out that i hadn't gotten to have the childhood i wanted you know right or and there wasn't enough lessons in it that helped me to easily adapt into the world and so i uh but i didn't realize that until ayahuasca because then you're right there with your younger self you know yeah and that was pretty crazy be like oh wow Now, you know, it's time for me to be an apparent somebody at some point has to be a parent to this child inside of me.

1:36:26Otherwise, I'll just forever be this child inside of me. So if I want to have a an adult life as well, then I'm going to have to start to evolve some, you know. and some of that's kind of sad because you're letting you're basically watching this child like you know you're helping this child grow up but you're letting this child know like hey you know i'll take it from here i love you i'm gonna take care of you um you're not gonna be able to run the show all the time anymore because we got to grow up you know yeah yeah and you know it's being a parent you go through these little micro griefs because you know it starts off you are so in love with this baby you're so in love with like how like just what it feels like to hold your kid but they obviously they grow yeah and that baby goes away it's gone and you there's there's a period like fuck this is so sad this like beautiful like kid is gonna like like change into something else but then the next phase you realize oh i love what this being is becoming and and so that but that moment that weird liminal moment between like like lives because you know i think people reincarnate in a lifetime like what you're talking about it is a weird form of it's not obviously not physical death yeah but it is you're letting go of some of something.

1:37:57Oh, it feels like that a lot. Yeah, man. It really does. I can feel it. I can, there's moments I have where I can feel it and I can feel myself doing certain things that are like, okay, I'm going to put this child to bed, you know, put this young, not let this, you know, this child's going to start to grow up. You know, he has to, it's been too long. If he wants to have a family of his own, if he wants to be a father and be these things, he's going to have to. Dude, you'd be a great dad. Thanks, man. You know the gift of having a sort of tumultuous childhood is that when you have a kid, you get to fix that a little bit.

1:38:39You won't fix it completely. It's so crazy when aspects of your parents that maybe weren't the most evolved bubble out of you. Oh, yeah. And you realize, shit, this is why my parents were acting the way they were acting. They probably tried to stop this thing, too. It's very hard. But you have a real reason to evolve because you don't want to, like, impact your kids in a dark way. So, man, I'm telling you from a, like, spiritual, like, it's a brain scan, man. Like, you will understand so much more about your parents, mainly how much they loved you. Mainly you'll understand, holy fuck, they love me so much.

1:39:22There's no way you can't feel this for your kid and they tried their best. Yeah, they tried their fucking best and they in in that's a really wild thing is then you have to forgive them Like if you were carrying a chip on your shoulder about this or that It'll the chip will dissolve a little bit. Oh, I got a fucking 12 pack of Pringles on my back I carried them. I've carried them. I think that's a lot of Pringles man Yeah, I've carried them a lot. I've tried to get I've tried of you know, I do 12 step I'm trying to get through some of it. I just have to work a little bit harder and some of it takes time too.

1:39:56You know, I've always been a slow Evolver. I've been a really hard decider in my life. Everything's really slow. So yeah, man Some of it's just who I am, you know slow is good Fast is suspicious Slow means you're like when you do slow change. That's real change fast change whenever I do fast change change that's like month long you know it'll last for a month when i do a fast you know whatever the fucking thing is and you should be suspicious of anyone pitching fast change to you yeah it doesn't really work like that it's slow and it's supposed to be and you don't need to be anything other than the way you are right now man like that's just fine like this is fine like the i'll tell you But when I met my wife, like I'd heard all these cheesy fucks who got married and had kids say, I knew we were going to get married.

1:40:50I knew we were going to have kids. And I was like, okay, whatever. That's such horse shit. Yeah. And then it happened to me. It wasn't like. What happened? You just started talking to her and what happened? Let me hit that ripper one more time. You got it, man. And what happened was the best, it's like, you know, it's like you watch people who put their foot in fast moving water. And it's just like they're gone. It's like that. You know, like the concept of control when it comes to like dating and finding someone that you decide to like spend your life with. I think it's a little naive. Like, I think there's big, big gears in the universe that we can't see, like behind the watch face that are just turning.

1:41:40And I know this sounds so new agey and cheesy, but sometimes I think it's like you meet the person at just the right time because the souls of your kids are ready to come into the universe at that time. That makes sense. like you know what i mean like right now your kids could be like in their 70s or 60s right now in a previous life about to expire in a few years and they're ready to pop back in yeah and that's when you meet the the person who they've they choose you and then they bring you together and then you you are like that's when it happens yeah i just i mean again obviously this is probably just horse shit but i when you're like when it happens you realize like i don't know how much of this i had control over i don't know how much i chose this and how much i was chosen for it and so that means go slow yeah yeah no that's a really good that's really nice to think on it's really nice to just kind of yeah because it takes some of the pressure off of you like i don't feel of pressure to meet somebody now i do feel like i try to be a little bit more like open about dating or trying to at least meet with somebody to see if they're that person or if there's a possibility you know like um but it's been it's definitely it's been interesting yeah but i like that that you know the next phase is supposed to come into the universe and then what that what is that going to be like and how are you just part of the stepping stone for yeah the next part of life because in a way that's really all you are like we have a ton of thoughts about like if you just saw two animals go hump in the woods somewhere and then two months later they had a child you'd be like oh it seems but if they were like pining around if you followed one of the animals for like four years before and he's just like fucking rubbing his wiener up against a bush and fucking you know like coming on you know just fucking chasing like you know other animals and shit and you'd be like watching all his thoughts and he's like sleeping in the woods and fucking drinking dirty water to get fucked up and stuff you'd be like god getting dumb tattoos yeah dude he rolls up like yeah if animals were like us and they fucking rolled up with all these dumb tattoos and fucking crossfit memberships and shit and he's fucking holy shit man like yeah old exercise video dvds in their nest like god animal take it easy on yourself man one of these days nature is just gonna send the right lioness along and it'll all make sense you know yeah exactly like think of like what got you to where you're at now and then when you really look at it like obviously you made a choice to work hard.

1:44:34I think that is something we have control over. I chose work. You chose to work hard. But then if you look at all the, all the people who helped you and all the people you met and all the inspirations you got around a corner, you didn't expect to turn down and all those things. At some point you have to be like, I, I, I don't know how much of this I'm responsible for a hundred percent other than working hard. So if that's the case for, for everything good in a person's life, it's going to be the same for meeting you know the a person that you are going to be with yeah in a serious way you know like in a marriage situation because i think you rush the shit or you um you or or more importantly you pretend you're having the feeling that this is the person you'll spend forever with versus really having the feeling because there's night and day difference between the two, you get into trouble.

1:45:27You can't pretend. You have to listen because you know. I mean, it's nuts, man. You just knew, huh? Man, it was the weirdest. It was so weird. And were we all at a park or something? Were we all at where you saw your lady at? Oh, yeah. I was doing a comedy show, and she was friends with my friend, And, yeah, she had just come there because, like, yeah, she's hanging out. And then we were hanging out. And then it was, like, it's weird. It was weird, man. It was just, like, fusion or something. I can't explain it. I mean, this is not to say it was perfect. It's not to say, like, credits roll, movie, like, happy, you know, romantic movie score.

1:46:17I mean, I don't think any marriage could possibly be like that. But it was just, I don't know how to explain it other than it's like, oh, yeah, we are already married in some weird way. It's like it's like rippling backwards through time. Who knows? Maybe it's pheromones. You know what? I'm, you know, maybe the materials are right. And it's just like her. Enough of the stink was my stink and her stink was a good like combination of stinks. You know, maybe. But I don't know. I feel like it was something bigger than that. I think it will be for you, too. it will be and then you'll be like holy shit wow i'm fucking married i have kids i've abandoned all that freedom what have i done yeah i'm just kidding i'm just kidding i'm just fucking kidding look some of that makes sense yeah well the the snake has to shed its skin or the snake dies that's what i start to feel too i remember a few years ago i was sitting in uh i was doing an episode of king in the sting podcast because i usually work on there with brennan schaub and chris delia and and eric griffin i don't know if chris was on there yet but i remember thinking like i remember talking about to them like do we evolve like when do we evolve you know like when do are there times in our lives as humans where we are like i was almost asking the world i feel like when i think back on that moment because I was surprised that I was thinking about it or asking about it, but I was like, when do we evolve?

1:47:47When do I evolve? And I didn't know what it meant really. And I still don't exactly, but I think I was looking to evolve at that point. And I think a lot of that was probably from that ayahuasca experience. That stuff's so powerful. You know, have you been through it? Not yet. I'm a little afraid. I mean, I've smoked DMT like everybody else. So I've experienced like some taste of what it must be, but a four-hour, three-hour DMT trip just sounds completely life-altering. And I know many people who have benefited massively from it. So I will eventually do it. But yeah, I mean, dude, here's one idea.

1:48:28You don't need to evolve. Actually, the evolution is just realizing where you're at right now is perfect. That's the evolution. It's letting go of the fantasy of some future better version of you and loving yourself right now. Instead of crucifying yourself on what you should be or could be, this is perfect. Not just like the nice parts of you. The whole spectrum is great. And that, if you can really like just let yourself play around with that. You take a vacation from self-hate or whatever. For most people, it's not self-hate, though that term gets thrown around a lot. It's more like self, like tiny microaggressions against oneself.

1:49:17Tiny moments where you, like, judge yourself as being, you know, somehow unevolved or not enough. Not enough. Or broken or whatever. Yeah, and then you know what happens for a lot of people doing that? They get hit by a fucking car crossing the street. They never evolved. They died. Their last thought was hating themselves. I didn't order a bus. Yes, dude. So, like, this is the, to me, that's the, anytime, and I'm not able to do, I'm very neurotic, and quite often I will, like, get down on myself. But anytime I'm able, especially in the midst of like really bad times, to not resist that, to just like, this is what's happening.

1:50:02I'm part of the universe. And right now I fucking stink and I'm tired and I'm annoyed. And I was just an asshole to the guy putting doorknobs on the door in my house. But this is where I'm at right now. This is it. Yeah. somehow that's where the aggression that causes all the things we wish we didn't do dissipates. And then suddenly just the universe again, you're just part of the web of everything is, and it's really a delight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know there are moments like that. I had a couple of moments this morning. I just hit my knees. I was like, God, I just, I can't do anything. Right.

1:50:42Nothing is, you know, just let me just be a part of the world. let me just realize none of this matters. I'm not going to, there's nothing I'm going to do today. That's going to change the fucking world. There's nothing I'm going to do today. That's going to alter my life in some huge way. Let me just try and be palatable to other people today. Dude, I love it. That, and I think that is a noble aspiration. And I think that that is a wonderful everyone. Dude, I know. Cause I'm guilty of it, man. I like, I instantaneously want to be better. When I'm sick, I want to be better tomorrow. When I'm like, when I'm too fat, I want to lose the fucking weight tomorrow.

1:51:25I don't want the slow boil. I want to instantaneously change. And the whole universe doesn't work like that. Nothing works like that except bad things. You can like instantaneously make yourself worse. Yeah, like 9-11. Yes! But the good stuff, it's slow. Like, it's like the comparison gets made to one way to think of your life is like rising sun versus setting sun. And like, look at the way the sun rises. It is so for such an incredibly powerful event. It's so weirdly slow. Like the way the light gradually changes, that's anyone's life. And that's, that's why it's like, shit, man, a temporary cloud passes in front of a sunrise.

1:52:11And it might seem like it's becoming night again, but that's just, a cloud. You know the sun's rising. You know what's happening. And you just start trusting that. And then, at least for me, I become less... It's just a paradoxical because somehow by not attempting to elevate myself to some super egoic, spiritual position, that's where happiness seems to appear. Yeah. Just trust in the sun. Just trust in the speed of the sun, you know? Yeah, trust in the speed of the sun It's been there for a long time It knows what it's doing Yeah, I think it knows what it's doing Yeah, at this point let's rely on a few things that know what they're doing You know Yeah, you can trust the sun I mean, maybe not Apparently we're getting blasted by solar flares Not to fuck up whatever Spiritual apex we just hit

1:53:06We're getting blasted by like, I don't know, class 50 flares They're like, the internet's gonna go down bring them on man in general you can trust the sun yeah in general yeah yeah this is a general hypothesis um yeah you know i think it's been interesting i've been dealing with my own ego too in the past year that's been interesting you know as life gets busier yeah and as uh my ego is very scary to me you know the ego is very scary i feel like well how do you describe of your ego what's your just like moments where i notice that i think i'm deserving of things or i expect things and i can't tell if some of it's just because i'm busier and so you need things to kind of fun you know you get used to some but it's like i want to be able to show up in like my best way all the time you know and so so then it takes more work to kind of like cultivate and nurture that best way of yourself you know right um and just kind of rolling with the you know it's like uh so yeah i think the ego really scares me because you don't know what it is you know it's the ego is always there yeah it's like your shadow it's always connected to you and it can it's such a trickster you know and you can it can uh make you feel deservant of things it can make you feel um smarter than p you know it's like yeah i just have to be care i just i'm it's just something that's been kind of like on my mind i think it's so it's so embarrassing the ego is the source of embarrassment because it's just like oh my dude what the fuck theo wants me to do his podcast again what the fuck why won't he do mine well he must hate me does he secretly hate me?

1:54:56I wonder if Theo Vaughn secretly hates me. That's, you just told me you're in a bad spot. Not once was my ego compassionate. Not once was like, he's probably got a lot going on. He's probably not feeling, who knows what it is. There's many times you have like fucked up sending an email or like been in a rotten depressed state and have not wanted to talk to anybody. No, it didn't cross my ego's mind. My ego puffs out, gets butt hurt, limps around. It's like, it's so embarrassing it's so embarrassing but to react to the ego in the negative to then go to war with that poor part of yourself that poor sad ape in a cave part of yourself disabled veteran fucking ship captain of nobody else on the ship poor fucking thing it's been trying to protect you your whole life and it's exhausted when you were a kid you developed it because you needed it to keep you safe and now it's so tired it doesn't make as much sense anymore it's like i guess that's dangerous fuck that guy we gotta punish that person i think i don't know you know so some combat like i'm not don't succumb to the poor thing but when you realize that's been one of your number one shield bearers i know for the entirety of your life and then suddenly everyone's like, I'm going to take enough acid to evaporate you motherfucker.

1:56:26What? I've been protecting you. Yeah, I'm just going to euthanize you. Your teeth are falling out. Fuck you. It's so sad. Dude, I wonder if our ego walked in the room, if we'd be in what it would look like, bro. That would be such a crazy game show. What if we're able to get to a point one time in existence where people have to show your ego? It's like move that bus. Who was that dude that used to do that? Move that bus. Dude, I would never. Ty Pennington. Yeah, Ty Pennington, dude. You used to do move that. And people were like, show your ego. and then it's just some fucking like maybe like a midget comes out playing like a fucking trumpet you know and he's got a bunch of whores with him like oh damn my ego is fucking everybody's ego would have a much bigger dick like everybody's ego would have an enormous cock my bald spot would be gone i would have embarrassing flowing locks i think i might have a gold chain like i think there would be gold chains and there would definitely be spandex involved maybe like a fashion cane yeah and somebody carrying a microwave for you that just makes unlimited pancakes coming out of you yeah there would have to be yeah your ego would like you would also have to present your ego's imaginary entourage like all the people your ego fantasizes being surrounded by one of mine would be china that wrestler that died a long time oh fuck yeah i know i would want yeah i would definitely want uh somehow i don't know why i'd want like steven a lot of steven steven spielberg steven king steven hawking and you know i would want to be surrounded on one side by all like these incredible creators I respect who like were coming to me for inspiration and then on the other side just an ocean of beautiful women like weeping for me there would be a cult sort of thing happening for my ego too.

1:58:38Yeah a couple Celine Dion's there maybe. Some Celine Dion's some yeah. Deion Sanders, maybe? Deion Sanders? What about Celine Dion Sanders, dude? I know. Oh, my God. You know what? That's a, you know, I think you could animate that show, actually. I think there is a way you could, like, act, you could do that show without having to have some futuristic technology. But people would have to be completely honest with you and not afraid to. And I think it would be good for the world. Oh, yeah. When all of a sudden everyone witnesses, oh, shit, everyone's got the same thing I have riding around in the roller coaster.

1:59:15That would be good. It's good for people. It would be good. Yeah, I think it would be interesting if there were game shows that were more bearing of our souls, you know, in ways. Maybe that will come as we get more technology that tells us more about what's going on. Like that's the plane we're missing a lot of times with a lot of like medical intuition or discovery through like MRIs. And like, it's like, I wish there was another type of MRI. Like we were saying in the beginning that could evaluate where we are. What lap is our soul on? What are we, you know? So then it's like when you met somebody like, oh, I see what's going on here.

1:59:56It's like, you really get some intel. This guy's on his 6 ,000th lap. This dude was an Egyptian for fucking 2 ,000 years. Yeah. Or this dude is his first run ever. And he's based out of Minnesota. Yeah. You know? Yeah. This fucking asshole was Hitler. And now he's like driving an Amazon delivery truck. What the fuck? So let's just get him what he needs. Okay. You're a great artist. No, really. You're an incredible artist. I love your art. Please don't do another Holocaust. Yeah, dude. I'll buy the painting. It's great. Whatever you want. NFTs. Oh, he's making NFTs. Buy the fucking NFTs. Just buy them.

2:00:34It doesn't matter. Dude, it's crazy. Well, when our body starts to... Did you see that video? You see that Tito Ortiz? Can you pull that out? There was a Tito Ortiz video where he hit Mach 7 or 8. Whoa. And it shows you... I think it made me think about, wow, what goes on inside of us and what a shell our body is. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. It's so wild. There's a whole ecosystem happening in there, a whole psychic ecosystem. I know, and there's like turtles in it. There's everything. Dude, a turtle swam up on the beach the other day in Maui, and I went for vacation, and a turtle was there. And it was just fascinating, people like going up and seeing it and spending time by it.

2:01:20They're so mystical. The Hawaiian turtles are like holy creatures. You feel lucky to be around them. They're just so beautiful You ever go scuba diving? No You see them in the water I mean when you see them on shore Obviously that's like not their best On shore They're kind of clumsy, slow But in the water, holy shit They seem like they would grant a wish or something Yeah They're beautiful Well it makes sense What is this? Thank you friend This is Tito Ortiz passes out he hit 9 G's who is I'm so sorry is a UFC wrestler he is a he's also he does one thing that's really neat about him he does all of the meals at the laugh factory he goes there and passes out food that's cool on Thanksgiving he's a philanthropic dude that's cool and he's a famous UFC fighter can we go back and yeah let's see that video But watch what happens.

2:02:27It's interesting to see what happens to the shell of us at certain levels.

2:02:55Thank you.

2:03:00Oh, fuck that. Wow, he's in there. This is a 9G simulator. Holy shit.

2:03:13Wow.

2:03:27Wow. Go back to that moment where his face is limp. It's kind of fascinating just to see what you're, uh, and just pause it right there. If you can find it, Zach, on that screen.

2:03:41Um, oh my God. That's it. I mean, right there, I was like, wow, we are just, our body, it's just a, such a shell. I mean, here's one of the toughest men, you know? How old are you? I'm 43. I'm 48, man. That is what I look like when I wake up. That's.

2:04:01You gotta sew it back together. Push it up. Electroshock to get the things to work again. Yeah, that's crazy that that's, yeah, the mask is just sort of drooping off the skull, the eyes. Yeah, man. That's, that's fucked. And that's almost a way of looking at your, you know, that's a, that's a ego deflating moment. To have this moment just be out there for him. That's pretty cool. Just like this is if you let my body just let me show you what it is that it's on refined form. You know, this is, you know, Rogan talks about like this is like the benefit of martial arts or like, you know, because you're you're you're getting beaten up.

2:04:50Like, I don't know much about him. I'm guessing in front of the planet he's been knocked out maybe or defeated. I don't know. and once that happens to you that you know whatever it is the insecurity and stuff you already got you know you you know that you are not perfect you know you're gonna lose fights you know the way you got good at fighting is not by winning every fight and so apparently there's like a benefit to that you know to to knowing where you're at you know that's why he does stuff like that that's putting all you know man anytime you get around like anytime i've been around rogan and we get to be around like a famous fighter.

2:05:28They are weirdly similar to people at the Ram Dass retreats. Really? They've got this glow to them. I mean, again, I'm making a blanket assessment for a few people I've met. No, no. Oh, yeah. There's something fascinating about them. It's almost like seeing some of them. It's like being around one of those turtles kind of. Yes. They have this holy quality to them or this spiritual component. and you would almost forget the person you're sitting next to if for whatever reason they decided to, they would be the last person you saw. You would like see them lunge towards you and that's it. You're dead.

2:06:03You're dead. You just forget. It's like hanging around a really well-behaved pit bull or something. You forget. And also because they're just so sweet. They're so sweet. And there's something interesting about being able to be knocked out, Like to being able to put yourself in that risk space, you know, like, yes, because it's such a defeating thing, you know, being knocked out. It's everybody's biggest fear. What if I got in that? I was unconscious in front of other like you're at you have no control over yourself. You are you are at a level at a you are limp. You're limp in front of the planet.

2:06:41Yeah. Every your your wife might be in the audience. Your kids are in the audience watching. Daddy. Your ego. Yeah. Your ego is like, what the fuck? You fucking pussy. Look at you. I told you to fucking dope. I told you to use that new synthetic fucking testosterone the Russians developed. Yeah, man. That's like, yeah, it's you. There's something about, you know, okay. I don't know if you're familiar. Are you familiar? You're probably familiar with Jack Kerouac, the beat poets. So I used to think the beat poets is they're called Kerouac. I guess Ginsburg falls into that category. What about what's his name who was all...

2:07:25William Burroughs? Vonnegut. Was he a beat poet? No. I think he was at the same time period, but I don't know for sure. I wish I were more literary than I am. He wasn't really in like the beat pack. Beat pack was that. Kerouac. You know, who else? William Burroughs. Burroughs, that's right. I think Wachowski kind of gets lumped in there a little bit. Yeah. Does Ginsburg land there? as I totally... Yes, no, Ginsburg is there too. So like, I used to think beat meant like, like the beat of like, I don't know, a Congo or some shit. You know, they would all wear turtlenecks and like have drum circles or there's jazz.

2:07:58But what I read is it means defeated. We're beat. We've already been beat. We lost. It's over. We beat. We're not trying to win anymore. And in that place, being beat that's where you find freedom that's where you find true liberation you're you've disconnected from the fucking horrible drums that drive the ship of capitalism it doesn't mean you're they're obviously not failing they're writing beautiful i mean kerouac wrote on the road apparently and what what was it one night two nights on speed wow he took just like in those days i don't know what kind of speed they had it was like on paper strips or something so he just got blasted on speed writes one of the great american road novels in a couple of nights fucking infuriating man so it's not like they were like we're beat taking bong hits doing ketamine playing god of war it's like that's the worst experience no but that's yeah you know what i mean so it's but but that state of consciousness of like yeah like i'm already i think we're another way to put it would be at least we're beat in the sense you're not going to do better than the universe than the earth you're not going to like do right there's yeah yeah you're not fighting this invisible that you're not in this battle that you cannot really win you're kind of like accepting that hey this is where things are yeah you know let me operate from a place of I am not the king.

2:09:33Yes. And it's such a wonderful thing to stop trying to save the fucking planet. It's such a wonderful thing to stop trying to be. Because the ego is so deceptive that it will convince you that you are demonstrating some altruistic impulse. Yes. When really you want to be the goddamn Messiah. You want to be Jesus. you want to like save the you want to be the only person who saves the planet you want the credit you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah that's real scary man yeah i've noticed there were moments like that i remember a few years ago whenever i started to get like uh just people would come out to my shows and stuff i started thinking oh does god have some special plan for me you know like and that was very scary to me i just didn't know and i was like what if i'm not doing things right or like what if i can't handle this type of if i just had never had like um you know it's scary when people come to spend time with you know it's like why me you know you start asking and then your ego will start answering sometimes if you're not fucking you know if you don't have some inkling or some guidance or hearing good things from people that are helping you navigate things um sure but i remember that i remember thinking man i i'm not going to be able to be a leader you know so this is real scary now i'm going to have how do i pretend to be a leader you know and then that eventually kind of went away and i realized that that was a fool's gold thing but sure it was very scary i remember when that happened i was like fuck like But to think that, yeah, like, I'm just a part of this thing and we're all defeated.

2:11:19How do we operate now? Right. What now? Like, and I'll tell you, man, if you look at the Messiah or God as being like, you look at the Messiah as being not the next Messiah, the second coming of Christ, whatever you want to call it, the Maitreya. If you look at it not as being one person, but rather a harmonized group of God knows how many people. Or just think about Jesus. I don't know how many people talk about Jesus's, or think of Mary. Who is Mary's great-grandfather, right? Like Mary's great-grandfather. If Mary, forgive me if this seems vulgar. I don't mean to be offensive. But okay, you know what?

2:12:05I'll replace Messiahs. Think of like the Buddha's great grandmother. Like imagine if that great grandmother decided not to let someone ejaculate inside of her just the exact right time and hadn't raised that kid in a certain way. There would be no Buddha. So it's like when you start looking at the fact that like we are all part of not just like the shitty things the planet spits out. But theoretically, you could be, wouldn't you like to be one pixel in the Buddha? One pixel, one cell, one little tiny part of whatever the next thing is that like just shakes the planet to its foundations in the positive.

2:12:51I would. Yeah, that'd be cool. That's enough. That would be cool. You want to be the whole fucking thing? That's insane. That's the ego. It's like you want, you know, there's a story, Ram Dass' brother, I guess. That's great, man. That's a great way to say that. That's a great way to say that. Like, how can I just be a sell in the wellness of whatever, you know? Or how do I just show up enough to be a part of things in a positive way, you know? And trust that you are. Right. Then you get to have that thing that your ego is looking for, but in a much more realistic, in a much more interactive way.

2:13:27Like now you don't, and you know, all the great stories. I mean, God, look at what Jesus said when he sent out the disciples. I think it was something along the lines of, don't worry what you're going to say. I'm going to speak through you. And if people don't accept you, shake the dust from your sandals and just leave. No big deal. You don't have to worry. That's what I love about Christianity is that you don't have to worry anymore. You're taken care of now. You don't need to worry. You don't have to. And so yeah I think like You know from that perspective you don't have to Like plan What the fuck you're gonna do To become moi deep or whatever And have like a Legions of people worshipping you As you drive some like You know what I mean whatever the fuck it is Corvette or whatever probably Or a t-bird maybe Yeah you don't have to Yeah that's one cool thing that's nice about it I mean I go to 12 step I go to recovery programs And so that's one of the coolest things I feel is when I'm in those rooms and it's like people are listening to each other and everybody's there for the goodness of one another.

2:14:34There's a feeling I leave out of there with like, man, I'm a part of something that feels good. And it doesn't feel like it's about me. It feels like just a part of something that feels good. And I think everybody like I think there's a general I think as a society, we're like, have we a wonderful look back on our society? Like if thousands of years from now, they'll look back and like, man, what a wrong turn that we, because we're just this ship in the water. That's all humanity is like, and when we took such a, we learned a ton, but what a turn that was going along those ways of, of, uh, thinking that we had all the answers and that science was going to lead us to the, to the be all end all.

2:15:17and that we were going to be able to crack the code. Like, what an exhilarating and exhausting fucking experiment that was. Yeah, right. Let's just, you know, well, I mean, I think that I love the parable of the prodigal son. It's so good for humanity. It's not just good for an individual life. You know the prodigal son story? Mm-mm. Synopsis. There's a dad. There's a kid. I'm sorry. basically there's two brothers one of them decides to stay at his father's house and help with the farm essentially and the other is like i'm out of here and leaves and just goes on this like hedonistic voyage through life prostitutes blows all his fucking money ends up brad pitt was

2:16:17would be an amazing brad pitt movie a beautiful man but the the essentially this kid ruins his life he becomes some kind like a pig farmer which apparently back then was like the worst thing you could be and so in shame and humiliation he realizes i'm gonna have to move back in with my dad like all the shit i said about how i was gonna be a famous break dancer or whatever bullshit he was saying. It didn't happen.

2:16:50Which also, let me tell you this. If you're telling your dad you're going to be a famous break dancer nine out of nine times, you're probably not going to. I don't know the statistics on it, but it's got to be worse than famous comedian. It's got to be much more improbable. Basically, the story is he goes back home and his dad takes one look at him and he's like legitimately like, I fucked up. I let my ego take control. I thought I was going to be able to do the caterpillar and moonwalk or whatever the fuck and I suck at dancing. Body rolls and all that. Body rolls. And what I love about at least the version I read is before he can finish the apology, his father embraces it.

2:17:39before he could even finish the apology and says, like, let's throw a huge party. We're going to throw this massive celebration. Meanwhile, the other brother is out in the fucking field and, like, realizes what's happening. He's like, how come you never throw a party for fucking me? I didn't go try to become a break dancer. I didn't buy embarrassing parachute fucking pants and crypto and, dude, start a fucking NFT AI company or try to like use that AI to sell my stickers on fucking Etsy. What the fuck? I've been out here with this oxen.

2:18:19What happened? Well, his father says to the son, like, you know, we're celebrating. You've been here. You've been a lot. You're alive. You've been here. we're celebrating because that which was dead has come back to life that's the celebration he my son was gone lost dead now that now he's back this is the joy so what you're talking about with the in any individual life especially like when you finally get into a 12-step program you break that addiction dude and you look at your life when you were tanking your fucking life on blow and booze and you look at how you weren't even there you weren't even there you were dead you didn't exist if you look back you were blacking out you were fucked up you weren't there it was a way in the very best a waking dream and you can't remember a lot of that shit and then suddenly holy shit you start coming back to life that's what it's about for the individual but for what you're saying is like for humanity as a whole i think that's what's so beautiful about it is there's the possibility for the entirety of the species to reorient itself into another way of being and at least because it's obviously in the Bible, it's theistic.

2:19:35The message is God doesn't care how much money you spent on the stupid breakdancer clothes you were wearing or your failed Etsy business or all the people you lied to or all the people you stabbed in the back as long as those things brought you back home. That's all that matters. As long as you're able to come and say, I'm sorry and mean it. That's what I love about that story. And I think like that's what humanity has to look forward to. Probably. I do. I think. Yeah. Maybe we did. Right now we're like fucking scooping up pig shit or whatever and pretending it's gold. But I have a feeling like, you know, we'll come back around.

2:20:14We'll come back around. Yeah. If a person can come back around, all of us can come back. Yeah. Because all we are is just a person. Really. We're all just one person. Like you're saying. You're right, man. Just one very complex, very, very big person. Yeah, and you have to start thinking how do we all win as a speaker? What little part can I do to help us be a part of that? Not even what can I do, but how do I just operate in a way that behooves everyone? And how can I do that more today? Yeah, that's it. That's a nice question to have each day. Each day. How can I do that more today for my fellow man, for my fellow specie member?

2:20:57Yeah. it's a good question and sometimes you will not be able to answer it no yeah sometimes you'll go you'll and you'll you'll slink back off and but i think having that is like a as a good question is nice and that's a neat thing about life is sometimes once certain things get introduced to you you can't unintroduce them you know yeah and that's one thing that's really cool. It's like, man, once you kind of see a little bit of the light, you can't unsee it. You know, that's one thing that's neat about getting into recovery programs. Even like you were saying, like you were dead. Like once you can look back and see that, like, oh, I wasn't a contributing member to myself, to anyone.

2:21:41I wasn't able to love my sister. I wasn't able to love my brother. I wasn't able to love myself and like how you can start to, you know, do those, do those things better yeah man and being a you know uh the times i've been in those rooms when you it's what's cool about it is you see people who like you thought you hit bottom like you see people who like fucking they did the same thing china's doing right now we're like they're trying to dig a hole to the center of the earth you're like are you kidding me what the fuck you know the stories are crazy but then the fact that you're looking at them they're healthy they're they're happy they're doing great that is where you realize how incredibly powerful it is to be a human yes because they sure as fuck shouldn't have climbed out of that hole yeah some of those holes man you know what i'm talking about there's seven yeah there's seven story holes dude eight stories 12 stories like how did you get a hole this deep how did you even do it yeah you didn't have a shovel like if i told someone i'm gonna pay you i will pay you five hundred thousand dollars to destroy your life in this way they wouldn't be able to do it and these people did it just with whiskey like inhalants it's like a town oh that's fucking cool man what uh what time we had that um like two hours 20 minutes i'm like a little under okay um trying to think of something else i wanted to think about with you you were talking about sex in a graveyard i can actually chime in on that i worked with a guy in a pizza shop who uh this is a true story i delivered pizzas with this guy steve and he would take his wife they had kids who they would hire a sitter every saturday they would go have sex in a graveyard are you fucking kidding me Yeah, yeah.

2:23:39His wife's name was Angel. She was 390 pounds. What? And were they Mexican? Because a lot of Mexicans, they weren't? No, white trash Ohio. A lot of Mexicans go, that's one thing I love that Mexicans do. They do that El Dia de los Muertos, you know? And they go celebrate in the graveyard with the deceased Mexicans. It's a big part of the culture. Like, if you're in L.A., you can go on Halloween to the graveyards, and it is like, you know, it's like a damn Selena, you know, like concert. The Hollywood Forever Cemetery has, it's incredible. It's awesome. It's beautiful. And it's not, you expect it to be like morbid or grim, but it isn't at all.

2:24:17It's celebratory. It's beautiful. You could see how they're honoring these people. It's really incredible. Yeah. I mean, you can eat an empanada with a 700 year old Mexican dude. Yes. Yeah. You can. Oh yeah. The Ramones are buried there. That's right. That cemetery is pretty wild. It is. I don't know if they do it anymore, but they used to do movies there on the weekends. Yeah, I think they still do. I actually went with James Blake. He's a musician. He's been on here before. He's a really, really amazing British producer and musician. And he and I went to El Dia de los Muertos one time. And they had music and they had, yeah, just Mexican families just sitting with their deceased ancestors.

2:25:02It's really sweet. I mean, it's so sophisticated. complicated like the way a lot of people do death is really like fucked up you try not to think about it you just try like someone dies and you know you just try to put them out of your head i mean i've and they don't and they don't really disappear it's funny because i can think about my father right and i can think about how he feels how is i can think about what he wears i can think about his voice is alive inside of my head and in my heart i can feel it i can um i can put my hand on my heart and it's his heartbeat like part of my the beat of my heart was made by two other people's beats it's a mute it's a fucking song yeah that's inside of me that was created by you know so it's really we really do do that poorly i think in in uh or i've done that poorly in my life is honoring the deceased, you know, honoring the people that put their time in so I could exist.

2:26:08You know, maybe part of the problem is it's so bizarre when you lose someone, when you realize somehow, even though their bodies aren't here, they're closer than they've ever been to you. Like you have this sense, no, they're here. I mean, not like a ghost paranormal way, but like something deeper than that, just like what you're saying. and you don't, it's hard for people to deal with that. It's almost heartbreaking in a way or you're afraid to connect with them. You have a sense anytime you do, they've just been waiting for you to reach out. Oh, that's interesting. It's almost ashamed. There's a little bit of shame.

2:26:43If I were to sit and really just go spend time like in a room or in an open field and tell my father I wanted to talk to him or spend time with him, part of me would feel ashamed that it took me so long to do it. Yeah. yeah and you know what i've when i've like presented that shame to like my mom's soul or whatever you want to call that the response is always i love you yeah they don't there's no like why didn't you fucking yeah use ayahuasca to talk to me you you know it's just a sense of like i love you so much enjoy your life enjoy your life you're doing great i love you. It's this place is for love.

2:27:26Nothing else. That's always been the, the, the sort of the message, you know, uh, I, I, it's, I, they don't seem to even see shame or they, on the, I think whatever it is, why were you watching Dateline? They're never like that. Why, why, why the fuck were you obsessed with Keith Morrison? Yeah. Why did you work for a week to try to do a Keith Morrison impression that you could never pull off. Yeah. But what about that avocado? Not bad. Thank you. Not bad. Yeah, man. It's just. Yeah, it's right. Why did you go to that Duran Duran concert the other night? Yeah. They're not. They just it's like I think whatever is on the other side, as they call it, is so beautiful.

2:28:13You know, Ram Dass says it's like taking off a shoe that's too tight. It's death. Death is like taking off a shoe that's too tight. whatever's over there is so so beautiful and so much more real than this place that beings that are there they are they just want us to be happy they are just love you know and also you know as a parent like if my kid somehow reaches through the veil to communicate with me after i'm dead i'm not gonna be like look at your fucking shitty shirt why do you have gravy all over your shirt. Change your oil. You're not going to be yelling that. Change your oil, boy. I taught you to do that.

2:28:57I taught you. You're going to burn your engine out. It's easy. I bought you that fucking car with the inheritance. Yeah, dude. It's like, they just love, that's it. That's it. That's a fundamental fabric of everything is that kind of energy. Yeah. And you're right. The darkness part is like, you know, turning on a light you just turn on the light that's all it is man it's like the darkness is really the weakest of things when you consider how it's so you just flip a light switch light a candle it's gone yeah wasn't really there and you usually need other people to do it you need yeah that's why isolation kills so many alcoholics and so many addicts that's why isolation kill creates so many school shooters and like severe, like violent nihilists.

2:29:50I don't know what nihilist means. Yeah, nihilism. The idea that all you are is atoms. I mean, if you want to take it to the furthest point, it's like this is essentially an accident. Big bang happens and just by like time and molecules swirling together, we became, what did you call it? Reactive, we became reactive meat. Earlier on you had a really nihilistic description of human beings. We're just temporarily sentient. We are doomed to die. We didn't ask to be fucking born. and here we are mortals in a universe of infinite atoms but whatever we are it's just a fucking accident like just a a bad collision between the wrong organic molecules a long time ago and some oxygen and some fucking oxygen and fuck it and then do you believe that's true or not no i don't believe that's true at all my experience of life is the opposite of that and it's interesting because I feel like we've created a society kind of in the U and America where if you're not careful, you can kind of, you can get lapped in and believe in that.

2:31:08We have a society that really, you know, we sat, we've created a, that a lot of things that mean a lot to us or that should, or really just, um, wears for sale or that, um, even our important moments or, I don't know. I feel like we, there's been some deviation, but I think there's like you're saying, there's, there's a lot if you cannot see that if you can find other people and listen if you can just be open to possibility it's you can quickly get back to a place that feels good yes because that's what you actually are right the place that feels good is you right fundamental goodness there's that's you that's ground level whatever you want to call it bedrock yeah the bedrock and everything else is just defense mechanisms and yeah and yeah exactly you'll know when you're there because you're already the paradox is you're already there and it's just like the so many comparisons uh it's like a lantern that's got a lot of like dirt or dust on it you know what i mean your your soul is the light the lantern is your countless incarnations and once you clear away the dust boom there you are again and that's the weird i don't know if you had it with ayahuasca with DMT that's that weird familiarity people report which I certainly experienced where you're like oh I know this place there was nothing to be afraid of this is just a place of love and joy and delight and fuck I've been so hard on myself yeah I was a cockroach for 50 incarnations just like you said earlier what was I doing what was I doing beating myself up yeah I'm doing great I'm doing great.

2:32:56Yeah. And truly, if you're a human, at least from the Buddhist perspective, it's the rarity of the human incarnation from the Buddhist cosmology. Like they think there's more gods than there are humans that if you are lucky enough to be born a human, you've really, you probably weren't a cockroach. Like you have done some heavy lifting to land in the human realm. And especially, you know, there's a weird kind of like multiverse aspect of Buddhism. A lot of people don't know about, but to be born in a realm where there was a Buddha, where there was a Jesus, I mean, you pick your Messiah, because there's the possibility of being born in a time when nobody had any kind of spiritual technology developed.

2:33:39So to be in a world where that, we have got volumes, volumes of incredible spiritual technology that anytime you want, you can connect to, is very good karma, very good fortune. That's a great point. It's very good fortune. Do you think if they proved aliens, if there was some proof of them, like, and obviously if there was some further proof that really set in everybody, like everybody, it was like, you know, was like, wow, they're there. They're out there. What would that do to religion? Do you think that would strengthen it or do you think that would weaken it? Well, I mean, I, you know, I think it depends on the religion and the lineage of the religion.

2:34:22I mean, if you've been living in a religion that is doing the same thing for humanity that we used to do for planet Earth, the Earth was the center of the universe. If you've been living in some mindset that humanity is the, you know, the sum total of or like the the final part of God's creation or something, then, yeah, it's going to fuck with your head because now you have to deal with the fact that, no, there's. The universe is teeming with life on every level from the subatomic to the like to giant planets to God knows what. To the point where we might be some atomic portion of something we'll never understand.

2:35:04So, yeah. But I think, you know, a lot of religions already have built in the idea that we're talking about the source of all reality. a kind of super intelligent, progenitive, benevolent creator force that just delights in making stuff and delights in sharing its creation with the things it makes. We get to co-create with it. It invites us to sit down at the potter's wheel with it and make stuff while we're here. So it's a really wonderful artist, whoever it is, whatever it is. And it's the best kind of artist. It doesn't like, where are the, there's no signatures. There's no copyright. There's no IP it's claiming for the sum total of all things.

2:35:51It's that incredible. It's like Banksy. Nobody knows who Banksy is. It's like that. It's just like, here, have it all. I'm giving you all of it. Let's see what you do with it. Yeah. It's beautiful. So I think from that perspective, aliens, sure. Why not? And what if aliens, they also had a god too. What if they rolled up with a couple of gods? We would figure it out. Well, yeah, that's what would be so exciting. It's like, what? What do they believe in? Who are you worshiping? Who is your god? What is an alien god like? And what do they think of our idea of god? What if they're all like Richard fucking Dawkins and they're pissed at us?

2:36:31There's no god, you dumb shits. We made you. We're your fucking god. Look at his big black eyes, emotionless face. we made you. You just hallucinated all the other stuff because we built that into you to believe in a God because that makes you easy to control. We would beat them up then. We would. I think we would. I think we would fight to have a God. The first alien, human, world star fight when a human finally just punches an alien. It's weird to think our kids might see that, man. it's weird to think that we might see I don't think there's a lot of beef between I have some black friends and they said there's a lot of beef between like blacks and aliens too what?

2:37:20yeah that's like we don't hear about because we're not you know I guess in that culture that much but yeah there's a lot of like black alien what? yeah they don't get along yeah they don't get along that much I mean how many black dudes you even know who have alien posters or anything like that. I mean, honestly, I don't know anyone who has alien posters, but I do know black people who are super into aliens. Oh, maybe I've got to meet more black folks then. You know, maybe. Who knows? It's like, I don't know. I mean, I know there's a lot of people who think they're demons. I mean, that's one of the threads of, that's one of the explanations for them is it's like, no these are the legions of satan coming to the earth to pose as aliens and trick us into getting on those fucking ships don't get on the ships don't get on the ships cause they're gonna fly you right to hell motherfucker don't get on the ships I'm gonna wanna go look at least on there I bet well yeah of course me too we will get on the ships but I'm gonna say hey tell me before y 'all leave no dude you will get on the ship for sure.

2:38:37I guarantee you'll get on the ship. I guarantee it. We'll probably be podcasting on a spaceship at some point. I mean, maybe that is what we're on. Who knows? Maybe that's part of it. They get you on the ship. They make you forget you're on a ship. They trick you into thinking you're in the human dimension. We're just in some cargo bay right now. Plugged into the Matrix, baby.

2:39:01That's awesome, man. Duncan, thanks so much for your time, dude. Anytime. Theo. This was such a, so fun. Yeah. So fun, man. So fun to see you again. And, um, yeah, we should probably just do one to follow up this one. I think people will love this. This has been one of my favorite chats in a while, man. Dude, mine too. Thank you. I really think you're wonderful. And thank you so much for having me on your show. It means the world. Thank you. Yeah. A hundred percent, man. I want to do it again soon. And, uh, and we'll do yours. Yeah. We can zoom it from wherever I'm back in town. Wonderful. Yeah.

2:39:32I'll, I'll hit you up. Do you ever do them live? I'm, you know, I'm building a podcast studio right now, but it's slow going. You can talk to this company or two. They're really good. You know, I'm tempted to, honestly, because I've been trying to do it at home. And I'm just wondering if that's like a little bit of like kind of what we were talking about earlier. Like you got to shed that skin. Like, why do you want to do it at home? What are you doing? Like, why not expand? Do it like you're doing. This is one of the things like you Segura Rogan. It's like, you know, you guys are real trendsetters You're really leading the charge as far as like creating your own TV show basically and like making it look good Having a nice studio and stuff and I don't know it just takes so much work Yeah, well this guy just I just started working this company called Rooster Teeth and they've been awesome, man It's been good.

2:40:19It's been really just interesting And I'm glad that they've been supportive, but yeah, it is I think you know there's something nice about having it at home it feels homey but I think you feel homey no matter what no matter where you would be yeah you know sometimes I used to get I started in my kitchen and I was like oh if I ever leave my kitchen something will be wrong I won't be able to communicate correctly or something that's how I feel yeah like I'm gonna lose like the vibe of like this is my garage like this is my gritty podcast studio oh yeah and it's like that's so dumb like why do i like i want to i want to expand it's just geez man well we need your voice out there i think thanks man it's really good to hear i've been really i feel much better than when i came in today same i feel more inspired um i feel yeah like i can do better when i communicate with people.

2:41:19It's just a really nice reminder. You are a nice reminder of how to operate in the world. Thank you, Theo. Hey, man, we don't have to podcast. You can hit me up anytime you want. If you just want to shoot the shit, I love talking to you and I would be thrilled. So thanks, man. Thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, we'll do it again soon. Beautiful. Duncan Trussell, ladies and gentlemen.

2:41:47I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna take...

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