E455 Hulk Hogan

51:09Yeah, yeah. There was a real iffy thing when I came back to the WWE the last time because I'd spent 10 years trying to put him out of business with Ted Turner. And we were beating the crap out of him for a long time. And then there were a bunch of business decisions. And American Online and Turner Broadcasting merged. And they didn't want wrestling as part of their portfolio. They wanted Turner Classics, movies of the week, and new programming. was that aol they merged with yeah and they took my boss ted turner and kicked him to the curb he had some office way in the back of the building where i couldn't even find him half the time and they just didn't want wrestling even though on tbs and tnt we had three to one ratings at the highest shows they had and so when all that started to decline and demise um you know i get a call from vince you know he says hey man i'll just come back and you know put the red and yellow of on the rock you know i said well i don't want to come back as a good guy i'm gonna come back as hollywood hogan you know because if i'm gonna do it right i want to put this kid over right you know and plus he i knew his dad i traveled with his father for years yeah yeah you guys you started with the father yeah i started with his dad we traveled one everywhere together and i mean i remember when rock was like seven or eight years old i threw my headband and he caught it and crowded the garden you know so i had a long history with the family and all the samoan brothers they're all my guys and yeah i was there when the rock came back dude i was there yeah i came back i think it was 2014 yeah but anyway go on so yeah so when i wrestled you know i did everything i could to get heat you know i right hit him in the back of the head with a hammer i put him in an ambulance chain the ambulance i ran him over with a semi i mean i did everything i could to make people hate me then when i went out at wrestleman 18 they cheered me out of the building whenever the rock would punch me they'd boo him i was like oh my god you know so i said all that stuff we talked about and we ain't doing it just listen we're going this episode is brought to you by better help.

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58:58So I get in the ring with The Rock, and he kind of told me what he wanted to do and kind of walked me through what he wanted to do. And I was thinking, man, what if the crowd doesn't like what we're doing? Are we just going to keep doing this? So out of respect, I listened to him because of his dad and him and the family. I listened to everything I wanted to do. And then Pat Patterson goes, okay, let's go through the match. I said, are you fucking crazy? He said, if I fall down here, I'm going to get hurt. yeah i need 80 000 people bro you know i mean i'm i'm a one-time around the block guy i'm gonna reverse this crap dude yeah so it's embarrassing a lot of times i said look just we're cool and duane's fault i mean rock's father's going duane listen to hogan he's just yelling at him from outside just listen to hogan you know so we get up to toronto right and you know everybody thinks i'm gonna get booed out of the building and they're gonna cheer him because he's been the number one baby face guy there forever so we're in the dressing room and rock starts going over what we kind of planned i'm listening and listening okay brother if it's there we'll do it if it's there we'll do it if it's there we'll do it and his dad's going dwayne listen to hogan so we get out there bro and it was booing him cheering me i said this ain't gonna work so we kind of flip things around in the ring and he was so good in the ring bro he's like an audible man he's like that second generation third generation wrestler instinct man he was there so it was fun but it took me about 10 minutes to get things turned around yeah to where they were pissed at me and halfway pissed at me and you know halfway for each of us so but it was it was a an amazing night i've never experienced anything like that with a crowd that was that was a lot of quit thinking on our feet out there that's cool man but that's how it always was with me i never wanted to talk about anything i want to go out there and see what these people want please start deciding for them oh i remember screaming so loud i thought you could hear me through my television you know well you know what that what you're talking about that main event that night i wrestle laundry we had 33 million people watch that night still the largest tv audience for for nbc dude oh i can't imagine how many younger siblings are in wheelchairs because of you guys oh thanks brother and i and look and proudly in wheelchairs too thanks brother i mean can we get some class national lawsuits i'm just saying thanks brother i remember once wrestling came on i knew to put on my knee and elbow pads because i was a young because i was a younger brother dude and we were gonna get it brother that's cool man that's cool what's been a tough thing like a lot of you guys travel so much a lot of it's tough on families what's the tough what was the toughest part like was it tough on your family with i'm sure with the dad being gone it's got to be really tough you know looking back was there ways you think that you could manage it better or like flair said the career just takes so much time you just can't be home i had kind of a this just sounds terrible to say but i have to say i had a luxury that a lot of guys didn't have i kind of like got myself in a position where like if i took time off for a movie vince go my god i can't write your name down it's hard to book because you know vince had a book old school book and he put hogan versus kamala or hogan versus andre the giant and then you know there's a b and c town there's the a town i was on the b town the warriors on c town would be like a tag team uh like yeah greg valentine and brutus and everybody wanted to be on the a town you know because if you're in the first match in my town you make like two three five thousand dollars you're making money and if you're in the c-town you know the first match you make 250 or 350.

1:02:30yeah you know so vince would go oh man you know it's just so hard to book when you take time off to do a movie or whatever i did 16 or 17 budget kids movies you know and team series and all kind of weird stuff but you know so i i put most of my time in and the luxury that i was afforded was the character was so powerful honestly you could put my name down i said it don't even matter just put my name down say Hulk mania is coming to Washington DC if you want to put an opponent they're fine but you don't have to and and the the character was so powerful as far as the drawing power that once my daughter Brooke was about two not about three years old and she started noticing I was gone I started winding down a little bit and I started working more part-time but I was chartering planes all the time right so you're you using your time the best you could right so if I was in Madison Square garden one night and i had tuesday off i'd fly home right then wednesday had to be in mexico city i'd fly to mexico you know and it got to the point where i had to buy my own plane you know to get this done oh wow you were really doing some business yeah i was doing real good and um you know so i when my kids got up and nick was two years behind so by the time brooke was four or five and nick was two or three i started to slow down so i spent a lot of time at home you know the last 15 or 20 years of my career but i still banged it out man i still had some crazy deals going where i still generated a lot of revenue yeah and did you have full ownership of your own of your own character how did that work out with because it's you create it within the wwf yeah right so was there partnerships in it and stuff like that you ready for this story maybe and if it's uncomfortable no no it's way cool okay it's just really a little twist here i own everything i own hulk ogre own ultimately on holster congratulations i'm one of the few few guys that own their name and the rights and the trademarks and licenses i own everything yeah so when i first the name i was wrestling i had several names super destroyer terry boulder sterling golden terry the hulk boulder different sterling golden sounds no offense i know it's you but yeah i don't love that one i know that was a guy named jim barnett who's very nice man yes jim barnett was cool yeah he was cool he you know okay a little light in the loafers but he's a good guy yeah not everybody to death loved him to death but um yeah he called me sterling my boy oh yeah that's what i'm saying that freaked me out man but anyway so So anyway, I went through all these different things.

1:05:10And finally, when I quit and I was working on the docs, I'll never wrestle again. I'm done. I'm, you know, five or six times I've quit. I'm over this crap. I get a call from Vince McMahon and a couple of local wrestlers, Jack and Jerry Briscoe, who are here in Florida. Jack was an NCAA champion, world heavyweight champion. Wow, so they were real wrestlers. Yeah, they said, you know, Vince McMahon, this is perfect for you. This is Madison Square Garden. This is where all the really big wrestlers go. and they kept pounding on me pounding on me i said okay well i'll go up there but i'm not taking my wrestling stuff with me like what kind of a horse's ass is that so i fly up there and they had just got rid of superstar billy graham because he'd kind of like they had some problems with him as soon as soon as i walked in i mean i was jacked i was all yoked up on something i was like 330 pounds i was working on the docks running game on the docks arm wrestling everybody and stuff so i walk up there in the whole buildings i came slid through the building i didn't know how to get in correctly so i had to cut through the crowd for about 20 or 30 feet and the whole building started going superstar superstar i thought i was billy graham i had a tie-dye tank top on i didn't even think about it and vince mcmahon senior goes don't you ever wear that tie-dye in here yeah i guess he just had a blow with billy graham so anyway i met with him and And they talked about what they wanted to pay me, you know, because I just get tired of getting screwed over.

1:06:35And they talked about getting me a place to live and having a guy travel with me, which was one of the worst decisions ever made. They hooked me up with one of the biggest con men ever. Really? Yeah. I don't know if you know who Lou Albano was. Yeah, Captain Lou Albano, dude. Okay, well, his partner, Tony Altamore, they were the Sicilians tag team champions. I don't remember Tony. Okay, well, Tony was the biggest con he ever met. Wow. And he taught me everything. how to slip and fall in a grocery store and walk out with two three grand how to do everything you know yeah so it just it was horrible to put me with him but smart me up to what the world's all about so anyway as i'm talking he goes you know what i want you to be hulk hogan i said what does hulk hogan mean he goes like that ivan putzky for the polish americans bruno sammartino for the italian americans chief jay strongbow for the native american indian americans and i want you to be hulk hogan for the irish americans here's two bottles of red dye i want your hair red and you know and they put me with fred blasi and i told fred i said brother i'm going ball-headed as it is if i put this red diamond hair the party's over so die goes down the toilet oh my god he's gonna fire us i could care less and they didn't fire me yeah you know but that's how i get the name right hulk hogan to represent the irish americans dang and vince gave you the name so now Now Vince dies.

1:07:53The Irish goodbye. That could have been your finishing move. Ooh, strong, brother. I like that. Sorry. That would have been really good. Not trying to tell you what to do, but it could have been neat. It could have been. But what you did worked great. Yeah. So anyway, Vince dies. Vince, his son, takes over. And right when this Hulk Hogan thing takes off, we get a call from Marvel Comics. You're infringing our mark. Reasonably similar. Lou Ferrigno's character. The cartoon character. Incredible. In the magazine. It was before the TV series. right you know you're infringing on our mark we're going to sue you put you in litigation so we went ahead and and let them have the name didn't license the name but they only had i only had to pay him one tenth of one percent oh wow so out of a dollar if i got a penny i had i only had to pay him one tenth of a penny and that went from 85 to 2005 20 years fast forward to 2005 it's over you know now i can't use hulk hogan again i'm red hot in 2005 man i'm still jamming so i went to my attorney i said i don't damn what deal you make you want to make that deal because i need the name so what happened was we went and i get a one-year extension i had to pay him 30 of everything i made movies tv wrestling they get 30 of everything but But if they decided to sell the name, they had to give me first shot at it.

1:09:21They couldn't sell the name or do anything at a fair market value. So all of a sudden, Marvel Comics gets in a bitch fest with the WWE about intellectual properties. That they can't re-air old Hulk Hogan matches, which Vince was re-airing all that stuff. They've lost. Marvel Comics lost. and they owe Vince like$35 million. And they made the huge mistake. Of including that in the deal? And they said, no, instead of paying you$35 million, how about if we give you the Hulk Hogan name? And I heard about it and I went, you guys screwed up now. Because now I don't have to pay$35 million for the name.

1:10:02You have to sell it to me at fair market value, which is only like$750 ,000. Wow. Yeah, so I bought the name back. And Vince wanted to buy the name for me. I went, nah, I think I got this one. Let me get this. Yeah, I got this one. wow did that feel pretty yeah that must have been a cool moment because then it's almost like you own yourself yeah so i bought the name back and i just own everything wow congratulations yeah it's really hard to do in these in the world how many guys you know that have that can say that yeah was there ever some products like people sometimes will try to get me involved with different types of things you know have there been interesting products or something you got or things that you got involved with like i did some pyramid scheme or i got i lost money in pyramid games when i was younger but um but that was just like somebody tried to do like a somebody sold us like glitter mining or something like yeah some guy came in our town and said they were selling like some shares of like glitter mining or something but um have you ever had crazy products over the years you're like what the what is this that we're even doing well i mean we've i mean you've had a lot of very successful stuff but has ever just been anything crazy like we're gonna make hulk hogan like ferris wheels or something and you're like well i mean i think I've had like 70 or 80 action figures made.

1:11:10Yeah. I've got a couple in my childhood room. Yeah. Well, the one they made that kind of got a little wonky and got a little weird was they made a Hulk Hogan vibrating action figure, which got real funky, you know. Brother, yeah. Yeah, I've got a little scary, brother. Now, look, if you keep one for the lady. Easy, bro. Okay. Sorry, brother. I told you not to look at it. And I didn't look at it. I didn't say nothing, sir. I don't even know what's over there. what do you guys do for fun dates now because you guys seem like you have a nice rapport what do you guys like to go do together um we love to eat yeah we love to eat um we used to love to drink but that's over for now um i just love spending time with him i'm a beach bum i lived on the beach my whole life the only reason i leave the beach is to make money you can't get me off this beach yeah i just live right up the street maybe two blocks oh that's awesome yeah so um yeah it's really clear i've never been to clearwater before i know i heard crazy stories that john daly used to live in a hooters here yeah did you never know about that yes yeah yes i know that drossi the guy owns hooters oh that's cool yeah yeah i always heard that he used to live inside of a hooters somewhere and that always blew my mind that's funny there's some great stories about him and john gruden um gruden was across the street does he yeah and that does apartment series of the penthouse over there i hear he's a really neat guy no he's cool he's cool he's a pretty intense dude he's a good guy yeah i just know him from being around here i mean i've got him back home a couple times you know when he's been out running around so you know make sure he's home safe oh yeah yeah he's a good guy yeah it was funny you um if you said you used to quit drinking i haven't drank for let me see 14 months i'm 14 months sober so i don't do drugs or alcohol but um uh what made you quit were you just or taking a break i'd been with my girl sky for a while and everything that I've ever had happen in my life both my two marriages everything that's ever bad happened to me has had to do with alcohol oh yeah you know and during those marriages there was a lot of alcohol use at times which caused major issues major problems and so um for me it was really easy to eat a couple Percocets and drink a couple shots tequila and a couple eight eight percent white claws and okay brother I'm ready yeah and but then you know when I got with Sky, I started getting an edge, right?

1:13:33You know, if things weren't said correctly, or I didn't like things sounded, I would pick, you know, I'd kind of like dig and start shit. And all of a sudden, I started losing something I didn't want to lose again. So I said, I'm done drinking. That it made it made just communication a little bit hectic at times. Well, it made me not go off like a hot pocket whenever I didn't hear something I didn't like, you know, because I was I'm I could be very well when I drink I could be a prick yeah you know and real quick on the trigger finger especially the men yeah you know and men have probably tried you a lot over the years huh because you were I've had some issues yeah but I I gotta tone my thing down you know I'm tired of getting sued all the time you know so yeah the main thing was that is there other stuff that you want to do with your life you've had a really amazing life do you feel like it went by so fast sometimes or do you when you look back on your life like and you still have I mean, you could still probably live for another 25 years, you know, but or maybe 30.

1:14:27I don't know. You could live forever. Maybe I don't know what your plan is. But do you feel like did you ever was it like you were always looking for like a sense of accomplishment or what do you think like was like your driving force a lot of the times? Probably the thing that really pushed me more than anything was, you know, I don't want to do the woe is me story, but I grew up. and i didn't know we were i don't even want to say poor i don't even want to say that i grew up not knowing that we didn't have money you know my mom was a housewife my dad worked construction and i had one bicycle that got stolen i never got another one yeah and i had two little trucks to play with i still had this little pink truck that i had and i had a big yellow tonka trunk truck and i played with that in the dirt all day because my dad was a construction worker Oh, you wanted to be like him?

1:15:16And so I kind of grew up, you know, and then when I got older, I realized, you know, once a month on a Friday, we had one of those little minute stakes, you know, and I just kind of grew up and I started realizing, you know, looking around that, okay, you know, I guess they did the best they could, but I don't want to live like this when I grow up. So I had this crazy thing I didn't even know was an affirmation. I started telling myself money comes quick and easy to me. And I just kept would always say that in my head. And I said, I'm not going to die the Port Tampa death. Because in Tampa, there's a road called Gandy Boulevard.

1:15:51And if you're south of Gandy, you're a SOG, south of Gandy. Okay. And I grew up south of Gandy. And everybody from south of Gandy either becomes a professional athlete or a drug dealer. Or you die. Or you work construction your whole life. Yeah. And I didn't want to die the Port Tampa death. Right. You know. So you wanted to get Nog. You wanted to get on the other side. Right. So I wanted to fight my way out of that town. Yeah. You know. i didn't want to be a drug dealer didn't want to die and didn't want to work construction because i tried construction as a bitch it wasn't me yeah okay so i said i'm gonna fight my way out of this town you know plus i played music so i would do anything to avoid working a real job yeah okay so i played music for 10 years and did real well at that but then it got to the point where i was playing the same clubs and just am i gonna do this forever right you know and so i just switched gears and went after the wrestling thing you know and uh it took me a while to adapt to it you know yeah it sounds like that but i was pretty aggressive when i was a kid you know and i just uh kept pushing you know i made the big mistake of telling everybody in this town i was going to be a wrestler which did you really yeah yeah that's what got my leg broke the first day but that's such a scary you know who did that the miz i'm friends with the miz right and hey by the way yeah that brother does keep this art form alive every time i see him i tell him how much i love him yeah for what he's done but because he he understands his business a lot more than most of the guys there's probably two or three guys that i can pick out that understand that business he's one of them yeah and he gets it he lived i mean he's always been that i remember him telling us before he was a wrestler he's like i'm gonna be a wrestler and we thought he was crazy and then he proved us all wrong dude i was i was down in ybor city and there was an old track uh blues image called ride captain ride an old song i just walked over the other studio and laid the scratch bass line down for mike panarin the blues image band way before your time but then i went back over the studio and we had a chance to go on a national tour with blackfoot you know and i just came off tour with this lady named genie conroy and we and we we came back to the studio and everybody was screwing around one guy was getting married and one guy's girlfriend was having a baby and so we get we can leave in two weeks and go on the road with these guys and mother's finest i don't know if you know who they are that song cm punk comes out to cult personality that band mother's oh yeah out of atlanta we were going to go with them at blackfoot we were going to open for us bro this is our chance because our shit's straight right now two of the guys didn't want to leave fuck and i was so pissed off so let me tell you guys something i'm done i've been doing this for 10 years i've been doing this for 10 years with a couple of you guys and i'm done i'm quitting i'm gonna go be the greatest wrestler that ever lived and all five of these guys fell on the ground laughing they busted out laughing and it pissed me off so bad i didn't know what i was talking about i just said it because i was mad at them because they wouldn't run the road yeah and then i said okay damn it i'm gonna go be a wrestler you know it's just the whole thing was crazy but i had a couple altercations with wrestlers in bars and had met a few of them so i wasn't scared to death of like i was because back in the 70s you know i had cauliflower ears and teeth knocked out and noses bro i was scared to death of wrestling yeah because back in the day when eddie graham here had the promotion he said wrestling was fake they'd punch you right in the mouth wow i mean there was no lawsuits no lawyers or nothing like that yeah i love that i was so alive so i got like i was scared to death but then i kind of got used to seeing them coming to the bar because we had a really hot local band at the time they would come in to hear us play you know and then i kind of I was watching, I wasn't so afraid of them, you know, as I used to be, but yeah, it just all changed, man.

1:19:31Was your, so your father did construction, did, were you at one time able to like say, hey dad, you don't have to work anymore? Was he always a worker his whole life? Yeah, well the son, the son burned him up, bro, cause he worked outside here in this Florida heat. Oh God. He started out in the Panama Canal, was where he met my mother. My father's Italian, my mother's Panamanian. Oh, cool man. Yeah, so I don't have to really go in the sun too often. yeah my father's from nicaragua so there you go i have to be careful how i say that word but also i i don't have to go in the sun all the time if you go out for 10 minutes you turn purple awesome yeah i'm on that team yeah so you know it's kind of like um what was the question um was your father pretty proud of you i guess oh the question it got to a point where my family was kind of like not the most feely touchy loving family you know oh yeah you know i had a couple brothers one half brother and then another middle brother that uh didn't do too well in life you know and he got killed he was riding with a bunch of motorcycle clubs and stuff and didn't do too well but um you know my dad and mom i don't ever ever remember my dad you know really being affectionate until later on in life you know when i started doing good and i quit college after four years which i should have had a degree but i quit go play music again and that really didn't work too well probably made him nervous huh yeah and then when i told him i was going to be a wrestler that really upset him you know and then later on um i brought him up to matters actually the night i beat the chic i brought my mom and dad up wow to madison square garden to see that and my dad had just retired so i just uh from that point on i just paid for everything and then when my brother um got killed i was real young at the time and i got three kids you know that were his his wife got murdered first oh here in the motorcycle gang guy yeah yeah my brother was riding with a club and he'd done a couple years in rayford here and then when he got out he got in trouble again he moved to houston changed the name and then he was riding with the i don't even want to say the club but the oakland chapter in california but while he was riding in oakland um his wife was running a hotel managing a hotel and she was dating this mafia guy and she was on the dance floor after work just dancing with the customer he came in and shot him in the chest twice killed her so then shortly after that my brother had a little problem with one of the clubs and they killed him and so um actually it's not true he died of an overdose and nobody helped him that's the real truth i don't want to say it that way but um so i ended up with three kids you know kind of like having to support him right and so i was running so hard i had to let my parents help and then the other side of the family help but i was the guy right now and taking care of the kids and and uh my parents so well so you had a lot of responsibility then suddenly to really to be the uh guy who's helping keep things going.

1:22:35Basically, I couldn't quit wrestling anymore. I had to make it work. I had to make it work. It's been a test, a test of faith. It's all good. Did y 'all go to church and stuff growing up, or was there any faith in y 'all's home? I went to Ballast Point Baptist Church. I went to Ballast Point Elementary School over in South Tampa. I went to Ballast Point Baptist Church with my mom once. Then one of my buddies was there. i went to elementary school and i started going with his family every sunday oh yeah you know did they have donuts and stuff over there i have everything god i love that dude the lord will freaking get you with that yeah and so i didn't get it because i was so young but then later on i was like 13 or 14 years old i was playing guitar a buddy of mine who i played football with in junior high school he had a a little christian youth group and he said we need somebody to play guitar so i went up there with this guy named hank lindstrom and i started playing guitar and then that's when i started listening to scripture and then when i heard the john 3 16 god's love the lord gave only the son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life bam it hit me you know and i accepted christ as my savior when i was 14.

1:23:47you know i was saved but then of course i derailed yeah for a long time you know and uh went back and forth to church every once in a while and um my first wife with the catholic and that really wasn't my thing you know my kids went to a catholic school and went to a catholic church i just i didn't feel it didn't resonate with me and then my second wife was spiritual but she wasn't a believer so that didn't work for me and so this lady here is on the team so we go to church every sunday oh nice and uh it's um so it's a christian in your rucks christian church and uh it's nice having faith huh actually i took a buddy of mine with me today a guy named mel chancy he was the uh the president of hell's angels chapter from chicago really the baja i was a one percenter yeah i took him and he was this guy was too yeah oh yeah oh yeah sorry ventura just told me that so many times yeah yeah but mel you know and he went with you guys today yeah he'll he'll tell you the story he told my minister today he went away for nine years oh he was incarcerated yeah for rico and for a couple attempted murders and then he he came out and he found the lord and we reconnected.

1:24:59And he's got his own little ministry thing on the internet he does. Really? What's it called? Mel Chancey is his name? Yeah, Mel Chancey. It's John 316 Devotional. Okay. Is that the name of it, Bo? John 316 Devotional. You have to check him out. Is he a pretty cool guy? Is he a pretty interesting guy? Oh, you dig him, bro. He's straight, man. He's really cool. Well, it's interesting because a lot of you, a lot of wrestlers, some of them were almost like pastors to us as kids. They were, you know, it was like, Like it's where you got your message of hope, you know? I think that's a lot of what faith is for people.

1:25:29I know it is for me, you know? It's like, where do I get a message for hope, you know? And yeah, sometimes just hearing like, yeah, somebody like, you can do it, you know? Like take your vitamin, say your prayer, you know? Or just anything that inspires, like where do you find your hope as you go along through life, you know? And a lot of times for when we were kids, it was, I mean, wrestling is really what hit me first. um it was probably my most favorite sport until i started watching ufc yeah um which i really love you know ufc is awesome do you ever watch any of that yeah yeah there was there's an opportunity to buy it a long time ago and vince and i passed on it you know it was before the referees stopped things yeah and they were kicking people when they're on the ground and it just was so violent when it was brought to us we went and uh that was a huge mistake but yeah no it's uh it's just an entertaining sport yeah so many guys you know that i know you know finally start believing more in the unseen than the scene and they and they kind of like figure this life out you know yeah hopefully not too late but uh it's pretty amazing once you kind of figure it out yeah well it's nice to not feel alone i think you know i think a lot of people are looking for that these days you know i wonder like societally have we taken like i wonder if our society will look back and be like what a weird detour we took like thinking that we could find happiness in so many different things you know i don't know i like thinking about that stuff sometimes that's pretty crazy man a lot of people will just in this human incarnation bro they're just all about materialistic stuff you know yeah and uh as soon as they have a glitch with their health or something they change Oh, yeah.

1:27:09Yeah. You know. Oh, definitely. You'll start drawing pictures of the Lord immediately. Shoot. Yeah, man. I get a couple. I get one bad blood test, dude. And I'm on, you know, I'm on Bible.org or whatever. There you go. There you go. What do you guys take any vacations? You and your lady have a vacation plan for the summer. We don't have one yet. I guess you live in a vacation. Yeah, we do. We don't have one yet. We're talking about going some places last year on her birthday. we were gonna go to Miami but I was sick as a dog or something but you know we've got uh we're planning some stuff now things have kind of straightened out it's been a really busy year this last year has it been yeah it's been crazy man I'm decided to go back to work again are you you're gonna wrestle again no no no but I mean business wise okay understood I mean nothing no disrespect to Bo and Darren Prince and stuff but they can they can tell you you know or anybody that you know they call me for stuff all the time and i think in the last couple years i've made just like one appearance you know maybe maybe one but you know i did one this year already but they for years and years they'd call me to do stuff and you know don't just wasn't interested once i shut down i shut down brother you know what i mean yeah because this i'm i'm like a beach bum you know i'm not really into good for you you know so i mean it's kind of like i've turned down a bunch of movies whole bunch of movies whole bunch of tv i mean you know t i get calls all oh yeah tv yeah because you know with the content i have now with the bar and the restaurant the retail store here in the retail store and my son's back here and my daughter's here my new baby here has got three kids and there's there's all kind of content bro and everybody's banging me all the time to do reality shows and stuff and i'm just like i just shut it all down and even with appearances and autograph sessions you know i mean i use vo and prince marketing you know when i do do stuff and you know sometimes the wwe will call me to do stuff and i'll just kind of i still work for them you know and you know i'll kind of pass on that and or i'll do it you know it just depends on what the weather's like you know yeah i'll back eczema isn't always obvious but it's real and so is the relief from Evglyss.

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1:30:26You guys have a CBD line. Is that right? Yeah, we do. We do. When's it come out? Bo, help me. August. August. Okay. Yeah, and this is some of the packaging and stuff, man. Oh, sweet. Let me see. Yeah, so it's, we're going for a... Oh, nice as a vape. Yeah. yeah we're going for the whole wellness aspect of it because after yeah boy after being so much yeah look at you what is he gonna do yeah sorry what if it what if every time i hit it it made it so that's how i talked bro it would work that would be awesome it would work dude this is a vibe man yeah because the ones they have are so generic i've been i've vaped on and off for about a year and a half so yeah i've been at the bottom of one of these bitches boy i've been through it all god i can't even sleep yeah this thing will fucking make you drive all night you're too much man so if it's wellness like what type of stuff so cbd yeah well we got cbd for you know energy and for sleep and we're also going down the thc road okay yeah because there's so many people that got hooked on prescription pain pills and prescription drugs and different drugs to sleep you know halcyons and xanax that you know it seems like you know going down down that road with the thc is an option for people much a healthier option you know yeah and so you know i partnered with and you know and what i didn't understand at the time is to sell the thc you know you have to partner with somebody from the same state oh really starting yeah i didn't know that you know so if you're in michigan you got to partner with a grower in michigan so in florida we partnered with sunburn and they've got 150 dispensaries around the state and we start august 1st with them so i'm really excited because you know it's kind of like a it's a gradual transition it's a way to back out slowly uh from you know stuff that can be really addictive such as the perks the pain pills and whatever else you know people you know numb themselves with the alcohol and everything else so i just think it's a more realistic way to wind down and get healthier so i'm on the team man i'm real excited about it and will the will will you be like featured on their products is it like hulk's met is it like uh yeah it's gonna be hulk's uh hulk's uh products yeah okay and then we're gonna going to uh with adult eight and a couple things we came up with a kind of cool little thing kind of like an inside joke that you know when i was the bad guy hollywood hogan we're always riding dirty yeah we always had beer in the car we were partying in the car i mean ashen hall doing all kind of crazy stuff so when you go with hollywood hogan you know and you're gonna go ride dirty we're gonna have something called the mustache rides oh yeah so ride dirty get a mustache ride with hollywood i've given a call i think i've given a couple i don't even know what it is i have to google it need to grow the mustache okay well yeah those Those are lip rides.

1:33:24Oh, yeah. There we go. Yeah, those are lip rides. Yeah. Those are front teeth rides. Some of them. I'm really, I'm pretty uncoordinated. So that's awesome, though. Congrats, man. Yeah. So it should be interesting to see, you know, how my brand performs in that arena. Well, I'm sure, look, in anything you've gotten into, you've performed well. So I'm sure this shouldn't be different. Yeah. Well, it makes sense. You know, it's a logical extension of where I'm going and where I've already been. So just the whole thing makes sense at this point. You know, everybody's kind of aware on how much this will help, you know, certain individuals.

1:33:57Let's get some healing. Yeah. Thank God, brother. Thank God. But yeah, I love them. But that's nice. You have your whole family here now. Yeah. Yeah. Your whole family's in town. Nick moved back. Yeah. And he helps me a lot. He's real good on the stick, man. He runs Monday nights for us. I don't know if you're around tomorrow. I might actually be staying till Tuesday. So if I do. Dude, you have to come to my bar tomorrow night. You guys do karaoke. It is insanity. Really? It is insane what goes on in there. I mean. Karaoke's unbelievable, isn't it? Well, my partner said karaoke wouldn't work. I said, who's doing it, brother?

1:34:33Yeah. You know, so it gets really sick over there. Yeah. They got some real singers in this town, huh? Well, it's either really good or it's really bad. Oh, yeah. There's no in between. So, yeah, but if you're around, please come over, man. Yeah, maybe I will because I think I'm going to stay. I was going to go maybe. It's right across the street. We walked in yesterday. No, we're staying in. We got shows in Tampa. I have one more tonight. Oh, okay. But I wanted to come to the beach tomorrow, so maybe I would make that work and I wouldn't leave until Tuesday. No, that'd be cool. Yeah. Who is somebody that you miss wrestling or just spending time with?

1:35:06Like, who's somebody that, like, that you miss? Well, I mean, across the street, there used to be, right where my restaurant's at across the street, that plaza right next door to it, there used to be a gym upstairs and the Bushwhackers had a gym up there. Oh, really? so for a long time the wrestlers would come there and then right down the street there was a world's gym and during the 80s and 90s every morning there'd be like 30 or 40 wrestlers in there wow and they all lived up and down the beach you know i'd bring them here to hang out for a couple days next thing i knew they'd move it was like crazy you know and then the whole wrestling was based out of here for a long time yeah all the travel from connecticut everybody's flying out of tampa it was like crazy to go to tampa airport and where you see 20 or 30 guys on the same plane you know wow but the my guys that were here all the time that i really miss was randy the macho man we were together every single day were y 'all really yeah every day man and it's kind of like i miss him a lot you know and so i spent years and years and years with him and he used to babysit my kids for me he did yeah well him and elizabeth yeah but uh sorry not just randy him and liz it's bedtime yeah and the other the other brother that i missed was one of the road warriors hawk oh yeah i introduced him to his wife here you know she was a was hawk the longer hair he had that no he had the two yeah and he would yeah well they both were the spikes yeah god they were good man yeah and and so hawk was a minnesota boy and when i was in minnesota you know i used to train at a gym with brad riggins the the head olympic coach and brock lesnar used to come down and work out with us back in the day and another guy named kevin kelly who was a real tough kid man and so I would tell those guys I'd tell Lesnar I'd tell Kevin Kelly look bro I'm the main event guy yeah Brad Riggins the Olympic coach he's in the preliminary matches you guys beat him you can try me so Brad saved me from these guys right you know but I used to watch Brad torture him you know it was great so wow yeah so Hawk was up there in Minnesota when I was training up there he was just some high school kid in the gym him and him and animal you know they would watch us like Hawks and watch us like, oh, so the next thing I knew, I come back like two years later and go to that gym, and they're jacked up.

1:37:17They beat each game to 100 pounds. I was like, holy crap. Yeah. You know, we're going to be wrestlers. I said, good luck. Don't touch me. And they went down to Atlanta and broke in, and they had a good gimmick. Yeah. The road warrior thing worked. But Hawk moved down here. I introduced him to his wife. She was an aerobic instructor. I said, look, I'm going to introduce you to her. Then I'm out. Yeah. Because she's a wild one, okay? Yeah. And so no matter what happens, yeah we're cool because i got nothing to do it from this point on you want to meet her here she is dale here's hawk they ended up getting married you know and so he was always here and i miss seeing him a lot you know because i hung out with him a lot and he they moved away he died oh he passed away he passed away he overdosed yeah oh and she's still around the neighborhood somewhere i haven't seen her forever and then another one of the guys that i traveled with for 40 years on the road brutus beefcake yeah him and i had a falling out the barber huh was he a real bar somebody said he went to no he didn't really go to redkin or something or was it he wasn't a real barber and we had a little bit of a falling out and so we we don't even talk anymore you know i mean we don't there's no nothing to talk about yeah you think y 'all will ever patch that up um it's got a lot to do with the lady he's married to you know it does yeah nothing really to do with him yeah so um i'll pass yeah i'll pass what was the drug you know what was uh yeah this is one thing the last thing i was about what was the steroid use like because i used steroids when i was in high school you know we would get test 200 or 400 i don't know somebody made us i think made us some 700 one time um one time we snuck it back from mexico on like shampoo bottles and stuff so we'd have like soap.

1:39:01There would be like soap in it a little bit, too, but we were using it, you know? Was it pretty just a normal thing that people were using? Yeah. I mean, you know, it's like, I think it was 1990, it became illegal. Oh, it was legal before that? Oh, yeah. You could go to the doctor and get a prescription for it. Oh, wow. That was another thing the guys had a problem with. They would take so much of it, they would ramp their system up. I think they stress their system, their heart's out. I don't know if anybody ever really died from just steroids, but if you had the steroids or the somas and the perks and the alcohol and the Coke, okay, you're going to create a fire.

1:39:37Yeah. So for me, you know, up until the 90s, I was always street legal. I mean, if I had a bottle of Deca or a bottle of test on me, it was a prescription from the doctor and it was legal. Oh, so the doctors used to prescribe it. Oh, God, yes, bro. I didn't even know that. I had my blood checked, my levels checked, everything. Wow. To make sure I didn't, you know. Right, so you were trying to prescribe it. Try to use it as safely as possible. Yeah, because when you turn 30, that's the peak of your biological clock. And then from that point on, it's down. Oh, shit. So I don't know how old you are.

1:40:06I'm 43, man. Well, you're on the way down. Fuck, man. So there's a bunch of good HRT doctors around hormone replacement doctors that can hook you up. I've thought about that. I don't want to lose my hair, though. That's the scary part. Yeah, you won't lose your hair. You don't think? No. Maybe I'll start looking into that. Yeah. But anyway, back to a long story short, about 1990. 90 and before then everybody i knew because i knew a lot of baseball players i knew a whole lot of football players i knew a lot of hockey players all professional guys they all use steroids there was only one guy i actually knew that didn't use them that was bob backland you know bob backland yeah he was a champion before i came along and okay red-haired i've heard of him yeah so anyway but everybody i knew dabbled in it and even if they said they didn't And they did, believe me.

1:40:52And so at the end of the day, when it became illegal, we kept yoking up. Yeah. Because we were out tearing biceps like this that wouldn't get fixed and muscle tears everywhere. And your thumb gets broken. And the Philadelphia Spectrum at 1 o 'clock, you go to Brussels and Madison Square Garden that night. You don't want 10 weeks. It's got to be healed in six weeks. Yeah. So we just never really stopped. And then Vince McMahon was on his, you know, major role with his company, doing great. and the federal government targeted him you know so we had to clean things up well well yeah eventually they targeted him and they drugged the poster boy in you know we're gonna go for vince let's get hogan and so we had a a rough go of it for a few years with the federal government but then once trial and all the stuff they said he did he didn't do you know he didn't distribute it he didn't sell it yeah you know i mean you just you did it on your own oh yeah yeah i'm not going get it from my boss yeah so that's what they're trying to paint him in the corner it wasn't true and they tried to get me to testify otherwise wow you know which i said i would and then when i got on the witness stand i told the truth and made a quick exit and didn't go back to new york for five years really oh yeah because that's where the feds were because that's where vince was there they're trying to prosecute him out of brooklyn wow so when i went to work for ted turner i couldn't even wrestle anywhere in new york for five years so they thought you were going to rat on him yeah and you just said he didn't do it well i became a government witness wow because to avoid prosecution you know because they were they were going to get somebody and they were going for vince and then if they weren't going for vince they pulled me aside and actually told me what was going to happen to me if i didn't say this i went i didn't know that no problem no problem brother you got it so when i got on the uh witness stand there in brooklyn um i had a We were just waiting at Teterboro Airport.

1:42:48I had Alec Isaacman, one of my attorneys that handled the Larry Flint trial. I had another attorney hanging on homes with me. And when I got off that witness stand, I didn't even go sit in the courtroom. I went out the side door, got in the car, went to Teterboro Airport and didn't come back for five years until the three prosecutors, Charlie Rose, or either Charlie Rose or Sean O'Shea. One of them got busted with a bunch of kilos of coke. And then the other one died of cancer. or I can't remember who was who. But the third guy, the head of the FBI flag, him and I became good friends. Oh, really?

1:43:20Yeah. So once that was over, then I went back to New York. Yeah. But yeah, it was a crazy run. They were just trying to target Vince and trying to do what the government always does to people. Oh, yeah. And he just basically didn't do anything they said he did. And he was not that guy. Yeah. Did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson? Yes. Yeah. I was asked to get off a Disney bus because of him. No way. Why? Because what happened? Well, they have these little buses they'll cart tourists around on at Disney. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like little trolleys is what they look like. But not the carts that are hooked together.

1:44:01Actually, it's like a little mini bus, a little red trolley. Okay. And so all of a sudden, I was sitting there with my family, my first wife and my two kids watching the fireworks at Disney. and all of a sudden security guards kind of go well you need to scoot down you need to move the far side of the cart and move the far side of the cart and then michael jackson came in and uh by himself he's by himself with a with a couple security guards and he came over he goes oh i'm very sorry about them making you move and i said it's okay brother not a big deal man it's all cool i get it you know it was him oh yeah yeah and so i really didn't talk to him other than that say it was cool but that's the only time i've met him was when they made us move down and get out of his way you know i don't think they wanted us look at looking at him or anything but he came down and apologized oh he did yeah did he look like a little or did he seem like kind of not did what did he seem like i don't know i was just sitting down he just he looks like he does on tv to me you know he had the black hat on and uh he's all covered up and had the glove this thing glove on because he was like and i mean it was that must have been interesting for you to see yeah my daughter Brooke was flipping yeah she was like seven or eight years old I can't remember but yeah but that's the only time I ever met him he just was real polite but the security guards were pricks yeah but I understand why they had to do it I get it yeah yeah he's probably paying him a lot yeah plus say he didn't want his picture taken and didn't want to be asked for autographs so I get it yeah and what about Michael Landon did you ever meet him no I didn't why would you bring that up I love Michael Landon so do I yeah really a little joke oh dude he was my favorite highway to heaven even that show little house on the prairie i love michael landon i was more of a bonanza guy waiting for your time i respect that yeah you seem like a little more bonanza but um yeah i loved michael landon man that's cool there was just something about i just yeah i don't know he played like that father like the hero you know he was like i mean you probably looked at him the way we looked at you you know it was like man that guy not really i was looking more like a hoss oh yeah yeah maybe not but that's that's great but yeah hulk it's nice to meet you man and it's an honor and thank you so much for just being a great entertainer all these years man i'm glad you're a fan i had no idea oh yeah man no idea we needed you dude we fucking i don't even know our tv we fucking balance the shit on the back and we would fucking hold each other's eyes open like don't you fucking miss this boy and we would fucking miss it dude sometimes but sometimes we wouldn't man when gene okerlund would be on there god and we were ready boy we would fucking wear tuxedo we didn't have tuxedos but we had like these like we would cut us black sweatshirts with like the white shirt under him and pretend like we were the guys you know yeah he was my guy gino and i brought him from minnesota with me yeah because i was in minnesota and met him there the baja and then when i went back to uh new york when they wanted me to come back and do this crazy the international thing with Vince Jr.

1:46:59I brought Mean Gene with me. He's my guy. Yeah, he seemed like a cool guy to have around, huh? And was he just a little bitty guy? Yeah, he was a little bitty. When I moved to Minnesota, I was single, and I had an apartment behind the Met Center where the Mall of America is. There was a place called the Met Center there. And there were the Versailles apartments behind there, and that's where all the Northwest stewardess lives, right? Oh, yeah. So I got an apartment there. Mean Gene came over one time, and he was married, and he wouldn't go home. He stayed in my apartment for like a year and a half.

1:47:28I said, dude, aren't you ever going to go home? He wouldn't leave. He just stayed there and lived with me. I said, okay, fine, whatever. He just wouldn't go home. He's just interviewing stewardesses. Hey, Claire, you're headed to work today. He was brutal, man. That's hilarious. Did you see Prince over there in town sometimes? Yes. God, yes. Yeah, I used to go down and play at a bar called Caboose. There was another bar. Was that the bar he played at all the time? Yeah, downtown Minnesota. Okay. Minneapolis. and then I played at Boyd's in the River all the time. There's a band called Fragile there.

1:47:59Bonkers is a place we used to. Are you familiar with Minnesota? Yeah, some. We used to go to, what was that place we went to, Bonkers?

1:48:07Boyd's on the River. I can't remember. Burnsville Bowl, any of these places. I mean, I'm talking the 80s. Okay. But they had real pimps. I'm not my first real pimp in Minnesota. Yeah, oh, no doubt. Yeah, but right on Hennepin Avenue where Moby Dix was, there was a bar called The Caboose, and I used to always go in there after I wrestled or whatever since i was single i didn't have anything to do so i just go down there and drink beer and play guitar all night with all these bands and you know i was fresh off playing so i could still play yeah like my fingers had been broken and screwed up and so many times i could still play pretty well so i'd go down there and i always go into prince's club you know first avenue there and the first day i went in there he walked on stage and started playing you know the very first time i saw walked in the place and so you know that got me coming back a lot yeah you know and i only saw him two more times there but uh he would come in there and just play like for three hours because it was his club yeah and we just sit there and listen to him and it was it was amazing to watch him you know i met him one time said hello to him it was just a brief passing he goes yeah i'm a wrestling fan i said oh thank you man cool yeah i just never sat and talked with him or anything pretty magnificent though just to even see him you know yeah he was cool man he was cool but you know i just uh really dug his music man oh yeah man yeah yeah he could do it you could do it man thank you for all the music you put out in the world you know it's all good brothers we're not done yet no yeah yeah and you're not i mean i didn't mean to make it seem like that but thank you still here for a reason i just haven't figured it out yet well all right on dude well we're glad you are and thanks for all you've done so far man.

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