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26:31Like, he is from one side of the block. I'm from the other side of the block. Yeah. So being able to be around him every single day and just be in his presence, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. See how he living, you know what I'm saying? What you eating over the Drew Brees? Yeah, what you snacking on, Drew? You know what I'm saying? Drew got him a Rice Krispie treat over there. You know what I'm saying? What you having? And one of the greatest things, like, that I learned by Drew Brees is, like, He helped me with food because his meals used to look so bad. I used to question, like, are we in New Orleans?

27:04We don't got no chef that can cook Drew Brees. Something that look better than this. You know what I'm saying? But he was so strict the way he ate. He was so intentional with everything that he did. And I was like, okay, that's the sacrifice that's allowing you to be the elite of the elite. You know what I'm saying? Those are the disciplines that you're willing to take to be in a city like New Orleans and not eat the stuff. You know what I'm saying? Not put that stuff in your body. Tony Sasher is on there. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, no seasoning at all. I don't even think. He probably used salt and pepper once.

27:39Oh, Lord. That was probably on Christmas Eve. You know what I'm saying? They come with everything. You know what I'm saying? I know. Imagine. Yeah. Not even. Oh. But no, he was an amazing human being. That's some paprika or something. Get him a spice rack for Christmas. Yeah, for real. changes a little. No doubt. But you're right, that level of commitment though, because also a lot of salt gets into your joints and stuff like that, especially as you get older, that's a thing that happens to people, you know, I think. But yeah, I guess interesting to see that just that level of commitment and the amount of commitment we feel like we have to make to ourselves because some people hold themselves to such a high standard that if they don't make a certain amount of level of commitment to themselves, then they don't feel complete.

28:20some people may hold themselves to a different standard and it's fine whatever your standard is but we all have this level I think of where if we hold ourselves there and we meet ourselves there then we feel complete you know I know it is great to challenge yourself and to push new limits and go to different heights you know what I'm saying and be tough on yourself but you also got to give yourself some grace like that's where that balance come in you know what I'm saying You can't be your worst enemy and your biggest fan. You know what I'm saying? That's how I get. You know what I'm saying? I turn into my worst.

28:58Yeah. It's like I'm trying so much I end up being my worst enemy, bro. But you being two different people. I feel like we talk to ourselves more than anybody else talk to us. So you got to give yourself that grace, man. You got to speak life into you more than anybody else is going to be speaking life into you. because I guarantee you somebody else, they care about theyself more than they care about you. Yeah. So if you down and you all the time, how is that going to make you feel down, depressed? Oh my goodness, now I got to do this. Now I got to do that. Now I got to revert to this versus like, man, like, okay, I didn't fail.

29:33Okay, I'm not the only person to fail. You know what I'm saying? Okay, how I get up out of this? You know what I'm saying? Who I need to talk to to get up out of this? You know what I'm saying? My lawyer usually. Hopefully we won't have to get to no legal Advocates You gotta stay up out of some legal Advocates You gotta stay up out of them I'm just talking about self esteem What Cat Williams said It's called self esteem You know what I'm saying You gotta lift yourself up man You gotta give yourself life That's a good point huh Sometimes it's hard for me to see What the conversation I'm having with myself is Does that make any sense Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

30:12Because we, like, I'll say it like this. Why do we give other people better advice than we give ourselves? I know. It's like we counsel ourselves out because we don't listen to ourselves. So when we not listen to ourselves, how do we expect to hear ourselves when we in this funk? Or we in this, like, this mold where we, like, we about to turn up. We about to go in and somebody hit. We mad. You know what I'm saying? We not hearing ourselves. We just reacting in a default. We're not being on purpose. We're not being intentional. You know what I'm saying? We just, like a little kid, we having an anxiety attack or we spazzing out.

30:48You know, all of us have those moments. But the ones that are able to, you know, look at those moments, reflect on those moments, and build off those moments and not let those moments destroy them, they're the ones that end up being successful. It's interesting, huh? So much of that war is really, it's a peace talk, but you have to bring yourself to the table. That's the tough, I just have, sometimes I have tough times in that moment of like, this is how I feel right now. And instead of bringing myself to the table, I just walk out and start, you know, executing a plan. You know what I'm saying?

31:26And it's not really, I haven't really brought myself into a place of like, okay, how do I do this best for me and for others and for, you know. Yeah. But, yeah, sometimes that's a thing that I struggle with a lot sometimes. Yeah, man. Sometimes you just got to be led by the Spirit, man. Like one of my favorite verses is trusting the Lord with your whole heart and lean down into your own understandings. Acknowledge the Lord in all your ways, and he shall direct your paths. Sometimes you got to really let go and let God. Oh, yeah. The Lord is my GPS, baby. No, for real. Like you have to humble yourself.

31:58Right. And just be like, look, I really don't got no control of what just happened, and let me give it up. Let me give it up, man. I know and sit there and do nothing. I should be your therapist, man. I feel like I got you over here, man. You ready to lay down, you know what I'm saying? I can sit here and speak life into you, brother. What you need? Oh, yeah. Brother? Bring it on me, brother. Play a hymn. You mindful. Play a hymn. Mama pray for me. What's that one? It's a little light of mine. I can still hear mama's prayers. You ever hear that song? Mama prayer? That's an old one. see if you can look that up mama's prayers i used to love this song man yeah that's maybe that's it at the top let me see what is that one

32:47i can remember as a child

32:52back in liberty texas at 131 navigation street i'm on At my grandmother's house At my grandmother's house Always, huh? Mama is what we called her And I can remember on Sunday mornings If you were in mama's house You had to get up for Sunday morning prayer

33:19He's a little chatty moving forward Great guy, buddy It ain't nothing like a good gospel song Somebody not talking at the very beginning You know what I'm saying? There we go. David.

33:46I love that one, man. That's an old one I like. No doubt. How do you like If you're going to Cleveland How do you guys find a new church What's that opportunity like I just called it an opportunity Because you showed me that Well you connect You connect with one If you know somebody on the team That goes to a specific church But I Like this Cleveland was actually even It was easy Like literally When I signed with Cleveland My dad had sent me Like a YouTube Pastor Vernon Like at the Word Church And he has a huge church in Cleveland. And I reached out to a couple of friends and like, they connected me with him instantly.

34:30Right. So I was like, okay, well I got Pastor Vernon already. Like, so when you in that, when you getting fed, like from other people and you being led and you walking with the Lord, like it's like the spirit find a way to connect you like with the right people. Yeah. So does, and, and what about like your family and stuff? Was it tough to like, did you find out you have, you're going to go to Cleveland and you have to go home and tell your wife about it or did y 'all so it's a process it's a process of like it was a very tough process uh you know because my wife is like that comfort when you get that comfort bug like it's like it's tough to get anybody off their pivot foot when they comfortable when they good with it where they at oh yeah it's very challenging that's me too man if i got me a like a give me a power aid and sit me down somewhere i'm leave me be for a little bit right well well i think uh and it's kind of like a, especially with this city, because my wife, her family is from the West Bank.

35:24Oh, they're from the West Bank? Yeah, from Algiers. Oh, yeah. I used to. Like, so her dad from the West Bank, and like, and she was so rooted. She was so rooted here, had family here, and it was just tough. Transition is always tough, you know, but, you know, we're one, and I want her to go with me. You know, she was like, hey, can I stay here? I'm like, yeah, baby, you can stay here if you want to, whatever you want, but in the back of my mind, like, I don't need you to stay here. I got my babies. I need to see you and my babies. You're my primary baby. Yeah, you're the tallest baby. Yeah, no doubt.

35:57You're the first baby. You is, but it's tough, man. It's tough having to move. But whether it's tough, man, it's an opportunity. It's a chance to grow. You got to be comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah, that's true, man. Comfort really can be your coffin. And, you know, I know that it can get real easy. Yeah, no doubt. Challenging yourself, accepting challenges. But then there is that fear that comes with it. And it's like, how do I manage the fear while I'm doing this new thing, while I'm going this way, right? Yeah. But Joe, he was telling me something, because I'm talking about, like, communicating with people.

36:39And he was like, man, when you have that fear, it's better to do than be scared. Because you're scared, you're just sitting there. Yeah, you're just sitting there. You're just thinking. And, like, he told me, I was like, Joe, like, what you doing? Give me advice, man. Like, just do. And once you start doing, like, eventually that fear starts being in that rearview mirror. And you just leave it. You leave it there. Yeah, because a lot of times, man, there will be opportunities. And I get so fearful. I stand there like this, like Barry Sanders. And then I don't pick nothing. He went standing. He was cut and moving and getting north and south.

37:13But I was just a side to side. You know, I just get like this. And then the opportunities will disappear because I didn't make a choice. Yeah. That happens. That's happened to me before in life, you know, where it's like I just, yeah. Instead of just going. Because if you go, you might realize one is wrong and you could get both of them. Right. And see and find the right one. When you were growing up, I know I've heard you talk about your dad was your a coach, you know. Yeah. And you guys all lived at y 'all's house, y 'all's family. Yeah. Yeah. Because, yeah, when I was growing up, a lot of black, a lot of my black friends didn't have families like that.

37:46You know, they didn't have that family community. Yeah. You know, was that like, was it popular in your area that a lot of guys did? A lot of young black men had that? No, it wasn't. It wasn't. And does it make you feel almost like would other kids clown you because you had that? Because when I was growing up in our neighborhood, if you made some grades, good grades, a lot of kids would clown you. They would just cook you for trying to do better. Well, I was clowning more for being a nerd, making good grades. Seriously. Then having a dad in my life, I'm very grateful to have my father in my life.

38:27The sacrifices that he made for me has definitely allowed me to be where I'm at right now. But even my dad He loved his mom He didn't have his dad in his life But the women in my life My grandmother

38:44My aunts They were the inspiration Because when you are In an environment And I had my uncles and stuff My mom was the youngest 11 And I grew up in a home where My uncles and aunts they all in the house And my cousins But it was perspective you know because like it's levels to it like you got people that are 50 you got kids that are two you got teenagers and you got like people that's going through a midlife crisis yeah you know so you learning you learning from everybody and you picking from like okay i probably shouldn't be doing that you know i'm saying oh grandma really don't condone that but i kind of like that you know so it's it's a different variety of it's a lot of education it's a lot of education a lot of stuff you to learn but when you don't have guidance when you don't have a father who who is even if they're not perfect, I think a lot of people get caught up in like, oh, like I expected you to be perfect, but you realize like ain't nobody really perfect.

39:40Even if your father or if you don't have a father, even the people around you, the men in your life, the women in your life aren't perfect. You know what I'm saying? They're human. You're going to go through the same human experiences that they're going through. Yeah. You know? So I never got picked on for having a daddy, but I definitely got picked on for being a nerd. Yeah. I never got to ask somebody, you know, because in, yeah. I think a lot of people look at people like, like the reason you successful because you had a dad in your life. I'm like, man, do you not know who LeBron James is? Like he is known for not having a dad in his life and he LeBron James.

40:15But like a lot of people use that because of the, honestly, the built up emotion or the built up anger that they have against another man. Right. You know, like, I think that that kind of overshadows like there's every I think every kid deserves to have a daddy. You know what I'm saying? But it is hard out here in these streets. You know what I'm saying? Like people have different personalities that don't condone a father might be in the house. The daddy might want to be in the baby life and the mama probably don't want him in the life or the mama not in the baby life. You know, it's been it's been I was talking to a man in the sauna today, you know, And he was talking about how his dad wins life and his mama died when he was 10.

40:58I was like, brother, that's tough. That's challenging. And he's still doing well for himself. He was talking about, we were talking about our kids. Like how are we supposed to speak life into our kids? He was telling me that he had a son that was 10 and he loved video games and social media. He had another son that was 14, had Down syndrome. He had a stepdaughter. I don't want to get on to this man's business. but it was a true direct correlation with he didn't have his dad in his life, he didn't have his mom in his life, but he still found a way to make something out of nothing. I think we get so caught up in the pity part.

41:38It's like, you ain't have a dad in your life? Oh yeah, bro, I'm with you. My dad ain't within my life either. Your mama used to abuse you? Oh, I'm with you. My mama didn't. Now let's take it out on the world. It's like, okay, what are we going to do? Like, what is the footprint we going to leave? Are we going to say that we are who we are because we didn't have a daddy in our life or our mama was crazy to us? Or are we going to say, like, look, my situation was not, it wasn't ideal, you know? But I know through those circumstances, through those experiences, that I've grew. And I've gained a lot of knowledge.

42:14I gained a lot. I went through a lot of pain. Yeah. But at the end of the day, I'm going to be the one to decide my fate. It's my responsibility. My emotions are my responsibility. My actions are my responsibilities. Now, I might have certain conditions, facts, and circumstances that may have led to some of them decisions. But at the end of the day, it's still my responsibility. because when you get out of that childhood, when you get out of that kid stage and you're an adult, ain't nobody looking at you like, oh, he must have had a father in his life. Right. You know what I'm saying? They looking at you like, on to the next one.

42:53I'm going to grow up. For real. That's what it is. Yeah, that's a great point, man. I think there's aspects of my life where I think I was like a late bloomer too, like realizing a lot of stuff and getting past a lot of childhood stuff. But I certainly feel like I'm at a point now where I want to grow up more in some areas, you know? And that's what I pray about each day. I pray that God makes me more willing to advance in some of these places and to let go of some resentments and help, like, soften some of the discomfort that I have in places. Because sometimes there's things that are still hooking you to your past, you know?

43:30Right. And it's like sometimes it's hard to get. You know, like when you had a boat dock and you got the things tied up and some drunk guy tied the one and he tied a damn Christmas bow on it or something you can't get. Sometimes it's like I got those. I really believe we have certain curses that are on us, that were put on us through our family, through generations, you know, of them, you know, living a life. But I also believe in that bondage, that true peace. And, you know, again, let's talk about our faith. Let's talk about accepting our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, man, and being separated from all that bondage and realizing like it is my life.

44:09I am free from everything that I feel like is holding me back to go do what I need to do for this world, for me. Yeah. And I know it's tough. No, no. I know you're not saying it's possible for everybody easily, but it's something we have to hear. And that's why I'm listening to you say it. I'm happy to hear it today. It's a message that I need to be reminded of. and I think that's why you're even saying it right now and we're in the same space because, yeah, I need to be reminded of that, that how long do I want to sit and look at the chains instead of look out the window? Come on. You know? Like how, you know, like at a certain point, even my eyes are tired of looking at those chains.

44:50It's truly perspective. Like, man, so every year, Black History Month, like I want to learn something new about black history. And obviously being from the South, Like my image on slavery and Jim Crow laws in the dirty South is just this gruesome image like white versus black. Like, man, they hated us. And like, oh, I can't believe like they look at us. They act like it's not that far. They act like it's way it's 100 years from now, but it's very recent. But I but I got I got this respect. I was watching this masterclass about African-American history, black history on masterclass. and when my perspective was changed from all the great things that African Americans have accomplished besides all the treacherous things that African Americans went through, I started to see again that light that's inside of me.

45:43Like, wow, like I possess this. Man, yes, my people were enslaved. Yes, my people went through some terrible circumstances. They went through a rough time but man look at how my people overcame look at the love look at the power look at the victory that came from all that you can't you came to a world where you were enslaved and now we walk around free we walk around doing whatever we want to do go down bourbon street oh yeah and see and see if you could if you could if you could sense anything you know i'm saying it's just it's just wildness you know and it's and it's truly when i get jealous of black community sometimes because they got the best origin story.

46:22Like I always liked the, like if you look at a superhero or something, you got to have that origin story. And it's easy for me to like, I'm not going to say like, oh, what a unique origin story. Because obviously I know that there's tons of things that I don't even understand in it. I don't even understand like when somebody looks in a, takes a 23andMe or something, they can't even, or they don't even know past where their grandparents are from. I don't know what that feels like. I don't know what it feels like to be in a place where you showed up as a commodity. I don't know any of what that really feels like.

47:00But I do think there is something interesting about having an origin story that you can derive, if you're able to start to turn a corner in your perspective, um, while still acknowledging the past, but to have it be, uh, one of looking forward. Right. Well, I think you got to acknowledge the past because that's how you learn. That's how you grow. Yeah. Um, but I, but I also believe that when you, when you have acknowledged the past, you gotta, you gotta think about ways that you can change it. Right. Not think of like, At first, I was so into like, okay, this is me. Like, you did this to me. Like, this is why I'm behind and my dad ain't living in a multimillion-dollar house.

47:51Like, I'm behind the eight ball. Right. We don't have generational wealth because we couldn't have generational wealth. Right. Right. But now I look at it as like, man, like, okay, I got this life. I got this opportunity. Let me use it. Because people before me could sacrifice way more than me in this part right now. And they still found a way to do it. So it would be ignorant of me to think that I'm not able to do something just because the limitations and the restrictions. Now, it is now systematic racism and stuff. Now, it is a system, right? But it's also a victory side to it that you can focus on, that you can, like the communities that you build, like you got to surround yourself with those people that are thinking like that.

48:38Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And if you only look at yourself as a victim, then it's impossible to really advance yourself for anybody. Like if I only look at the parts of me that, like if I only see myself as a victim, right? And that's all I see myself as, it's going to be really hard for me to have new opportunity because I don't have any perspective. I won't even see opportunity if it shows up. Man, I learned this, like I was talking to one of my mentors, and he shared this with me. And it kind of changed my perspective. He was like, you are not what you think you are, but what you think you are.

49:22Is that your perspective? Like we all think like, oh, I'm this type of person, but we're not thinking about the stuff that we put into our mind on a daily basis. Like what we think and what we set our attention to is really what we are. Not what we may think how people view us or how we may even view ourselves, but what we thinking. Like poor, like being poor, that's a mentality. Being rich, that's a mentality. Like these people just got, like Meat Mills said, it's levels to it. Like when you have a poor mindset, like man, that's struggle. That's hurt. That's pain. But, man, I done seen people with no shoes, toes coming out of their shoes that are happier than ever.

50:06Yeah. I done seen people with no shoes. At the beach, yeah. No, bro. I done seen people with no shoes, man. I'm talking about little kids. Oh, that's what you're saying. No shoes, man. Enjoy. Enjoy. Yeah. Because what they're thinking. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I remember I've gone to some different places like India, different places you see these kids show up. and they're just living. Man, you're like, oh, I wish I could be as happy as this kid. Yes, man. And he's sitting here and he got nothing. Nothing. Yeah, and he's got nothing for himself. Speaking of Meek Mill, man, I got to ask, dude, Diddy?

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53:12ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Oh, you know what I just saw, man? They had the two girls, you know, there's a pair of conjoined women. Oh, really? And it's a double. Siamese twins? Siamese twins, brother. And they married a man. One of them got married. Okay. You see that? So I just wonder how does that... Because sometimes it's hard enough you're married. Yes. And if some of my in-laws will get involved in a discussion, sometimes it can be challenging. Right. So if you got an in-law, I mean you got a dang neck neighbor you know I mean to each his own oh yeah I'm just saying how tough would it be to manage a I'm just what I'm really trying to picture like is he dealing with one woman or two women like that's what I'm trying to picture because if he's dealing with two women then right on brother Yeah, it's I wonder what he Yeah, does he really want To be Mormon, I'm wondering You know, or does he You know what I'm saying, does he really want to have Multiple wives?

54:31I can speak Mormon too You know, I can speak Mormon Have you ever been to a Mormon church? I've never been to a Mormon church But I've had A lot of Mormon teammates And they're the nicest people That you can ever be a teammate with? I would be Mormon. I've been before to like, uh, in Salt Lake, you can go see like, um, John Luther. What was the, sorry, um, my brain is bad today. Joseph Smith. Yeah. You can go see like the campus, the Mormon campus and everything. It's beautiful. It's stunning over there. Um, James, when you look at guys like, like Caleb Williams has caught a lot of flack this year, I think more than to me, it feels like just as a, like a just a fan uh it feels like he's caught more flack than anybody a starting quarterback in a long time yeah who's gonna come out of the draft um they recently they're talking about him for having a pink phone case or just his uh or just or fingernail polo just it seems like a level of scrutiny that's it's almost gone overboard man i think like to whom much is given much required and when you are um you are in a position as he is and when you reach a level of excellence that he has attained as being an excellent college quarterback it just comes with the territory you know and I think in like if I was in his shoes I know what it is I know what it's like to be scrutinized like that on a whole different spectrum uh and you have to you have to focus on who you are.

56:08You have to get closer to the people that surround you. You got to push through that now. I don't know about the fingernail polish and the lipstick and stuff. That's his life. Oh, look, we've all been to... We've all had a moment or something. That's his life. I know he can play football and I know that character is what you do when no one is looking. So I just I pray That he is focusing On his character And not And football ain't Everything for him Right And I know He been to Oklahoma I was an Oklahoma fan I grew up an Oklahoma fan Really? Yeah I really did bro Why though? Because Because Oklahoma beat Florida State in 2000 That's championship Oh So you just That's how you got on Florida State was my daddy team So I was just like You gotta pick something different I was on them bandwagon I just jumped on I was like booming sooner Ever since then You know So that's why I like Baker Mayfield Colin Murray I love Baker bro Is there anybody more fun to cheer for than Baker I feel like Baker is a dog He is a beast man He will not be denied man The opposition had him At like it's almost a wrap It felt like But then he's like nah He out And now look at him There's so many stories like that man There's so many stories that people just continue to push through Like, you're going to come out on the other side.

57:34Yeah. Yeah, I feel like he's one of those guys that everybody, if you don't support Baker, I don't understand where you're at. Yeah, just that pressure. But do you feel like the media is at a place where it's just always going to be like that? It just feels like this year, like, they've gone crazy on him. Like, who cares? Like, it's a young guy trying to be a good quarterback. Man, and, like, these are kids that they're scrutinizing. but in the common eye, you can be a kid, but if you're a celebrity, you're a grown man. And now everyone's so entitled to say whatever they want to say. You know what I'm saying?

58:12And as media, we are attracted to those negative things. We're not attracted to, like, oh, Caleb Williams had a football camp with 300 kids, and he gave everybody free Jordans. You know what I'm saying? We're not attracted to those. Yeah, Caleb Williams made a nice pasta. You know? Yeah. I don't know. I don't think he'll post a person. But I don't know. It definitely seems he, I mean, who knows? He'll probably have a dang housewares collection in a couple months, according to the media, you know? No doubt. He'll have a flatware line. But no, I think it's like, yeah, nobody wants to, but yeah, we don't look at, we don't gravitate towards that.

58:52Man, I don't think, I don't think like the world, like life, like obviously we say life ain't fair, but people's opinion really not fair, bro. like what do you mean like i mean like everyone gets this public persona but no one really knows who that person truly is a hundred percent you know like and again let's go back to the social media thing like social media has some great stuff but again like i know people that are broke as a dog and if you look at their social media they flexing they like they got jewelry on a puppet the puppy goddamn gold earrings. That's what I'm saying. I'm just like, I'm like, what are you trying to portray?

59:33Like, we know you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, who are you hiring from? Yeah, you sleeping in my back bedroom. Bro, I just paid your light bill the other day. Like, what you doing? Huh? Like, don't let my gratitude ruin you. Huh? Yeah. You gonna go to the club and spend$200? You can't spend$200 at the club. You spend all the money. Golly. That is true, homie. Taking a picture in somebody else's booth. You know what I'm saying? They went to the bathroom and they standing up in the booth. Dan's like, how you get there? Golly, your hustle's strong, bro. Yeah, I know. That is true. It's interesting.

1:00:13What else did I want to think about? Yeah, I guess just being in a new place. Have you gone to Cleveland yet and picked out a home and everything? Man, I went to Cleveland. I haven't picked out a home yet. But it was like, it was really like eye-opening. it was like because people people rip on Cleveland a lot you know they do and it's a beautiful vicinity but like obviously when we we talk about Cleveland they say it's cold it's gonna be cold up there and when you come from Tampa and New Orleans like it don't really get cold here you know and then it was maybe in the freezer section at Rouse's that's it bro but it was one of the moments where like I'm I'm getting my physical you know and it was cold when we got there but her name was Julie she'd say yo it's snowing I was like it's snowing out here in March?

1:00:56I ain't never seen no snow in March. So I send the video to my wife. I was like, hey, baby, look. It's snowing. And she was like, I am not a kid, Jameis. You don't have to tell me it's snowing. I see it's snowing. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to see no snow right now. I want to see a beach. I was like, all right, babe, you got it. You know, but I guess they're going to talk about the code. Back to the drawing board. No, for real. Like, you started all over again. That's a husband's job. You start all over again. You know, I just hit it with the light. Well, you know, this is going to be our first Christmas where the babies get to play in the snow.

1:01:28You know what I'm saying? She's like, it's almost May, Jameis. For real? We ain't doing Christmas in Mexico. For real, no. What's that like being a husband, man? Was that scary for you or what was? It was very scary for me, man. But that's my high school sweetheart. And like, man, you talking about fear, like commitment to one person. That is fear, you know, because your life is in their hands. and their life is in your hands. So when you're maneuvering and when you have all these different experiences that's coming at you, you have to be strong, man. You have to be strong and know, like, this is my priority.

1:02:07This is my love. Like, this is my first love, right? Whatever can be attractive to my eyes or anything outside of that, like, it doesn't, I don't condone that, you know? And plus my girl, like, she an OG, man. Like, she was, like, really the dream. Like, I was a football player, and obviously I was an athlete in high school, and she was a hooper. Like, you know, back in the day, love and basketball, that was everything. Oh, yeah, that was romantic. My whole thing was like, man, like, I wish I knew how to play basketball so I could have a love and basketball moment. But boom, like, God blessed me with a girl that can hoop, that was pretty, that had all these best eyes, like her eyes.

1:02:43I just stand her eyes, and it's just like, golly, girl, what you doing? What you doing with them eyes, huh? You know, but like when I was blessed with that, man, I was like my heart was took. You know what I'm saying? There y 'all are right there. Yeah, that's us, man. And y 'all in the water, baby, getting it, huh? That's in our house, man. Oh, that's beautiful, man. Yeah, my brother in the, that ain't my brother for real, but that's my life coach. He right there. That's your life guard, too. He in a dang, that ain't the shallow end, I don't think. Hey, it's a step. Oh, okay. And look, and we tried to, we had him on a brick.

1:03:20So he would be level. And like, he slipped off the brick. You know what I'm saying? Doing the ceremony. We was like, all right, man. We know you dedicated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's cheating at the combine if you're standing on a brick. Yeah. I know that, man. He like, I don't think nobody was expecting to get, you know, their pants wet. But I was like, we got to get in the water. Like, this is what it is. This is water. We got to be flowing. Like, we got to be watered together. I love it, man. I like that, man. You just kind of make your choices, and that's it for you. It seemed like your self-confidence is really unique compared to other people, man.

1:03:56Were you always like that, do you feel like? Or was that something that was kind of built, or do you think it was just a gift that you had? I feel like it's still growing. I've always been confident in myself, but more importantly, in my faith. You know what I'm saying? I was rooted in a church, like old Southern Baptist. From when you were little. From when I was little. But when I actually started to know God and I started to understand, like that I'm fighting from victory, not for victory, like then I took a different approach. I took a different approach to the way that I live. And I think it's like the accumulation of really who you surround yourself with, like seeing other people that's like walking, like firm, that are strong brothers, that ain't like lukewarm, like that gives you that confidence.

1:04:39Like that gives you that affirmation to be like, okay, like, man, I need to, like, what am I doing? Like you said, you question yourself. It's been a lot of times where I've questioned myself. It's been a lot of times in the NFL where I was just like, man, who am I? What I got going on? You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I had to dig deep and just be like, okay, this is who I am. Right. You know what I'm saying? Get back to your foundation. What is my foundation? If I don't believe in this foundation that I built, then why did I even build it then? I'm not here for no reason.

1:05:13Right. I'm here for a purpose. My own unique purpose. So I got to live it. Dang, man. I might try out for somebody. You can do it, bro. Yeah, the Colts might need someone. I don't know who needs somebody right now. What do you think about this new rule with the hip drop tackle? Do you have any thoughts on it? Yeah, I think it is they're trying to make the game safer. but as I've been in the league, you know, I've seen it trend to be more of a, you know, a player friendly league. I think it takes an incredible amount of discipline and an athletic ability as people that are actually making those tackles to avoid making that tackle.

1:05:56So I think like when you make a rule, like you say, okay, this is the rule. We can't do this no more. but as athletes being trained to do a certain way for years for their whole life to just get somebody on the ground any way possible I think it's challenging man and I'm happy for player safety but at the same time I know I'm from Alabama we love football however if you run across the middle and somebody take your head off that's football Get back up. Are you okay? Your chin strap okay? What you saying? How many fingers I got? You know what I'm saying? Okay, come on. We about to do it again. You know what I'm saying?

1:06:38I'm dropping back in the pocket. Somebody come and slap me out of my head. Like, okay, I want that 15. But, like, hey, like, okay, I see you came to play today. Okay? Like, it's just, it's the brotherhood. And it's the, like, we warriors out there, man. Like I said earlier, like, man, we one play away from our career being done. You know, so I do respect the NFL making this player safety protocol and, like, doing everything they can to help, you know, prolong people's careers. But I think it's tough. I think it's tough on the players. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's interesting to see, like, and if you keep making things, like, I worry about if you put so much in the hands of the referees because there's a lot of people who start to say that, a lot of speculation you see of people saying that things are fixed or organized or, you know, gambling is a lot more just, in our everyday life.

1:07:27Now every other commercial is for it. You know, I mean, we advertise it. It's like, it's everywhere. So I just wonder when you put stuff more in the hands of the referees too and give them one more space where it could be a crucial call in a playoff game next year. Right. What does that look like, you know? How weird is that, you know? When you look at the field, you know, a lot of times people just see the two teams. Right. Team A, Team B. but bro you forget it's another team out there and they got on black and white right and they're working together like a lot of these a lot of the referees like when you get to know them like bro like they're insurance agents they're not even doing this year round you know this is a hobby for them to make you know for real make six figures just to what you doing Get on side You know what I'm saying I have a mixtape One dude Yeah I know They had one video Some guy He tapped into Make the announcement And he played Half a track off of his mixtape And people were like What is even going on here It's You gotta think about How tough it is first To make in game decisions To police Grown men That are playing At the fastest level So I got a lot of respect For the referees But man Like it's a third team bro Like you playing Against two teams You're not just playing against the other team.

1:08:47You're playing against two teams because, you know, they have the rules and regulations and it's their job, but they can dictate a game. Now, as a leader, as a coach or a person of influence, like you can't say, we're not going to allow the refs to dictate this game, but they have a certain level of authority that can't, if they make a call and they're human just like us, if it's a mistake, they ain't finna say, oh, my bad. Like literally, look, we write reports out of the game. Coaches are sending in, like, this was a penalty, this was a penalty. And you'll get a letter back, this was a penalty.

1:09:26Sorry. Nuh-uh. I don't know if they send sorry. Like sorry is very polite. Right. But they'll literally be like. This emoji. This emoji. Yeah, it's like, that was a penalty. All right, move to the next one. Yeah. And you're just like, what? What? We can't get that play back? I know. And it's crazy. Well, yeah, there was that famous play in New Orleans that happened, too. I think this was before you were here, whenever there was a pass interference against the Rams. It took them from going to the Super Bowl. I mean, that changes Drew Brees from having a dynasty operation and Peyton to things being, you know.

1:10:00He's still a Hall of Famer. Here you go right here. John Hussey is a sales representative. He's been a referee for nine seasons. Alex Kemp, an insurance agent, has been a referee for six seasons. In his sixth season, Clay Martin is a high school He's a school administrator. Dang, he's a damn principal. Yeah. And a basketball coach. He's reading term papers on his phone probably at halftime. Yeah. Scott Novak is in his fifth season as a referee. Brad Rogers is a college professor. Ron Torbert's an attorney. Yeah, you already know it. He's been a referee for 10 seasons. What is going on? We got somebody in aerospace.

1:10:39Uh-uh. Uh-huh. Adrian Hill. He in aerospace. Oh, wow. He's an engineer. They got different careers, man. That's what I'm saying. Our livelihood is on the game. Yeah, it says Craig Warsett is a drill rapper. But this is unbelievable. Oh, my goodness. They got to get some guys that are just referees. Yeah, no, they're not. Man, times have changed, man. It is. What else? We got Easter coming up, man. Y 'all going to celebrate? What you guys got going on? Yeah, we're going to celebrate Easter. They have a beautiful parade in New Orleans, too. They do? It's at 2 p.m. I think it's in the French Quarter.

1:11:18I've seen it a couple times when I was younger, but it's nice, man. I've never been to the Easter parade. It's nice. What do y 'all do, an Easter egg hunt or something? Go to church. And the boys did an Easter egg hunt earlier this week, so we don't have to do no Easter egg hunts. But it's a spring break this year, so we're going to get out of time. Next week. Yeah. Any other stuff you guys want to look at, man? Are y 'all going to go up to Cleveland or no? Not now. We're going to wait until it's summer, summer before we go up to Cleveland. Okay. Before the family go up there. I'm going to be up there in two weeks.

1:11:58Scott Fujita, I think, played for Cleveland as well and the Saints. He's a really neat guy. Demario Davis, he came. Oh, yeah, Demario plays. I see him in Nashville sometimes. That's where I live at Yeah Nah that's where he lives Oh it is? Uh huh I see him sometimes He'll pop into the same We go to the same IV place Oh for real? And he'll I've never said hey to him But I've seen him in there Yeah He's a big guy He's a great brother Is he? He's great bro He's phenomenal Yeah Like he's one of those men That being in a locker room with Like seeing the way that he walks Seeing who he is every single day Inspired me to be a better man You know And inspired me to check Check my engine light And just be like Okay like Well we really got up in here You know what I'm saying?

1:12:40What's really inside. Yeah, I think, oh, wow, this is something right here. Monkeys have taken over the city of Lopburi outside of Bangkok. Go ahead, monkeys. But this, Jamie, this seemed like a look at this, man. This is what I look at. They together. Like, they fighting. Look, it's a civil war. It's a monkey civil war. This is real Planet of the Apes, y 'all. Do you see how, like, assembled they is? That's a good point Look at the front lines They had right there Go back a little bit Man come on Bro They got a dang general Out there with them huh No really It's Planet of the Apes Look nature Bro I'm telling you Look but they really Tending like It's really like They fighting Like look They ain't attacking No civilians Like they all at each other Like this is real Planet of the Apes Y 'all thought it was a game This is real And look Then they going back to They retreating That's lunch time But, bro, like, do they live there?

1:13:40Do they live in that palace? No, they take it over. Like, oh, my gosh. I've never seen, like, we don't even get that organized. These monkeys was organized, like, front lines. It looked like one of them had a whistle saying charge. Like, golly. Yeah, the monkeys look like Bill Parcells with their coach. I feel like they put together, like, they got a Rob Ryan defense going on over here. They structured. it's Easter man Jameis I think we gotta eat a W for the Lord man can we do it let's eat a W for the Lord man please alright brother toast it up man he has risen brother dang

1:14:18Jameis Winston man thanks for on behalf of New Orleans man we wanna just thank you man I think it's been so fun to to have your energy around man yeah just I think even just today it's like you never know what things you're gonna hear like whenever we do a podcast you know you never know sometimes if it's gonna to be just having fun or joking around or if you're going to need to hear some words that you need to hear you know so i appreciate it man i appreciate you bro uh i'm really inspired by like your story about how you had a paradigm shift how you a man to increase man and you to be vulnerable enough to share with me some of the stuff that you be still going through i think like that has that that as a human element for the success that you have already like accumulated right in the work that you put in.

1:15:03Like when Joe told me, you were just in Australia and then you just took a red eye over here just to come talk with me. Yeah, we made it, man. And also have a show. You know, just what you put in, man, is you know you living on purpose, bro. And I'm grateful to be in your presence and do this with you, bro. Gang, thanks. Jameis Winston, man. Best of luck in Cleveland. Oh, yeah. Your crew gave me this new one right here, bro. That's the logo. That's the Jabba wins, huh? Yeah, that's the Jabba wins. You know what I'm saying? man. That's it. And Cleveland color. So dog pound, go get your t-shirts.

1:15:36Wow. I'm saying Theo got the first one. All right. You can be next. Yeah. Yeah. You could be next right there. Awesome, man. Thank you so much for your time, bro. Thank you, brother. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take