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27:47Yeah, bro. I would have been, you know, for a long time, I would argue that drugs kept me alive because I didn't know how to live in this world. I didn't want to live in this world at all. But at the same time, didn't quite have the balls to take myself out. Oh, yeah. So I'd say that drugs kept me alive for a long time. I mean, you know. What made you have so much pain, you think? Like, what was the tough part for you, you think? Well, I think it was a mixture, dude. I think it was, like I said, just being born. Like, I just feeling out of place, like, something wasn't right. Which is, like, a common theme with addicts.

28:29Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm a large in the worlds of fucking media. I'm in the worlds of 7XL. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, bro. I'm wandering around in my own shirt. I'm trying to find a neck hole, bro. So I think it's a, and they've done a lot of, I mean, they've done a lot of work on this and they know it's like genetics. I won't get into all that, but, you know, part of that. And I think also, you know, the way I grew up and, you know, when I say this, dude, I'm not, I love everyone in my family. I go, I'll go above and beyond for any one of them, but, you know, everybody was doing the best they could with what they knew how to do.

29:05But it was still tough. You know, it was, it was, some tough shit to grow up in you know so um that didn't help but i'll tell you the biggest thing and i'll shut up that way i don't get too overwinded with this because i have a tendency to do that but um i always thought like this thing like okay the drugs are not working anymore they're not doing it for me but this thing this thing's gonna do it for me once we get to that place whatever that place is in my head whenever i get that thing um that's gonna do it for me and And then I got really suicidal when we got there, wherever there is. And nothing changed.

29:44And nothing changed. I felt, now I feel worse. Because if this don't work, what's going to do it? And that's when I really started to spiral. And for me, and I'll end it with this, the answer for me has been getting involved in the 12-step programs. and it's been more of a spiritual answer rather than the material, you know? Yeah, man. I remember I was in my garage. It was like probably two years ago, man. I was talking to my brother on the phone. I was like, nothing will save me. It was like, I got people that'll like me. I thought that's what was my problem. Same. If enough people like me, I'll like me.

30:26Yes. Yeah, yeah. And it was like, fuck, man. And one day I was just like - It makes me emotional. It's ass backwards because you have to like yourself first and then the other stuff comes. But it's crazy to think, man, you know, that that's kind of the way that it could kind of process. And, yeah, but I see you in the rooms, man. It gives me a lot of hope every time I see you. Same with you, bro. If you want to keep going, you know. I was in. And the way you run your rooms, bro, and not to over talk you, but it's like, you know, you have a lot of respect of a lot of people in there, and it's cool, man.

30:56I've been blessed, bro. And for you, bro, I was. Yeah, they taste kind of shitty. you want a fresh one all right come on brother let me at least do you that service yeah bro look we can't be popping pills bro we're gonna nick it out i've been wearing shady rays you know it i like to have some um sunglasses on my face to protect me from the world especially with the sunny season ahead you're gonna need quality shades that are built to last our friends at shady rays have you covered with premium polarized shades that won't break the bank shady rays is an independent sunglasses company offering a world-class product rated five stars by over 300 000 people if you don't love your shades exchange them for a new pair or return worry-free within 30 days there's no risk when you shop their team always has your back with personal and fast support exclusively for our listeners shady rays is giving out their best deal of the season head to shady rays.com and use code theo to get 40 off polarized sunglasses that's right go to s-h-a-d-y-r-a-y-s.com and use code theo to get 40 off try for yourself the shades rated five stars by over 300 000 people you know i love going to concerts and events i went to fred again not long ago in australia we had a really nice time over there game time makes getting tickets for concerts and events faster and easier even if you don't buy tickets right away prices on the game time app actually go down the closer it gets to show start time with killer last minute deals, all in prices, views from your seat, and their lowest price guarantee, GameTime takes the guesswork out of buying concert tickets.

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35:06I think a lot of addicts are chasing loneliness. They're chasing, they're having trouble with self-acceptance. And I think finding your little group of like similar drugs that you want to do together definitely makes you feel like you're safe and at home. And then the exact opposite happens when you get off of them too. You find your people that want to stay away from that shit and it kind of strengthens your little community that you're in. Yeah. Yeah. What were some of the hot, like what have been some of the highlights? I mean, because you guys have a success that I think a lot of people don't really know it in a lot of ways.

35:38A lot of people do, but y 'all aren't a mainstream thing. Is that offensive to say to you? No, not at all. If anything, I kind of take offense to the opposite, that people do consider us mainstream, and I don't think we are. We are in maybe how popular we are or how many people listen to us, but you're not going to see us. People like to gatekeep. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, especially our fan base. They love to gatekeep. What does that mean when people say They feel like it's their thing. You have to deserve to be our fan. It feels like that, though. Every fan that we meet, whether it's like we're just out and about and we run into somebody that recognizes us, ask him, and I bet you he'll back me up.

36:12Ten times out of ten, they tell me that they've listened to us since 2015. Yeah. Or they'll say, I've been listening to you guys since y 'all started. I've been a fan since 2012. Or since I was in seventh grade and now they're 20-something. Yeah, exactly. But the 2015 thing is funny. Someone's still in seventh grade, too, bro. depending on where Paris they from. No disrespect, dude. Hey, bro. I did fifth twice, homie. We've been in there, bro. We've all done a little sentence, man. Yeah, it is. It's their world. That's why even like with talking with you guys, it feels since I wasn't there from the beginning, you don't feel a little bit of, you're like, oh, this is their thing.

36:50Even when I meet y 'all's fans, it feels like that. It feels like there are people that have feelings and they've been through something. And that's what it kind of feels like. Y 'all shows are real interesting, man, because it's such a like it's such a kickoff. And then it's almost like running downfield the whole show. You know, it just feels like a good way to. It's intense, man. And the crowd gets going. I mean, there's a lot going on. You got the people up by the front, just like almost like it's like a big lung up there. They're just kind of like. He told me this early on, man. Like, we were doing a show.

37:24We were about to do a show in New York, and only three people were showing up. And me and some other rappers were like, fuck this. We ain't doing this. And he taught me a lesson early. He's like, bro, it doesn't matter if one person shows up or thousands. Like, you give that person a show. And ever since then, I've ran with that. You know, and it's like any time I'm out there. You did take to that super well. Yeah, if these people are paying to come watch me perform, then the last thing I want to do is just sit there, you know, like I want. Right in your own self. Yeah. And just like be still.

37:56I don't know if that makes sense, but I want to go out there and give them energy, like give them everything I got. And like I said, dude, worst case scenario, one person showed up. It's a fucking practice. Like you keep the, you don't get rusty. You keep it going because, you know, we'll tour once a year, really two, three months at the end of the year. And the first few shows we do, it's kind of like forget what to say. or we'll forget certain lyrics. We're like, fuck, we've done this for 10 years. How are we forgetting this shit? You have to get back in the groove. Yeah, you got to get back in the groove, man.

38:25Yeah. So you guys know there's a new album coming out. What is it like to evolve? Is it scary to evolve? I think about it even in comedy and stuff. I'm like, what the heck? Some of your people that listen to you, they listen to you at a certain age, but they're getting older too. Some of them are all different ages. So how do you try and apply to everybody? I'm really glad you asked this. That's a great question. And how do you try to also apply to yourself at the same time? So we might have two different. I think it'll be, well, at first, I think at first we were scared to kind of change the sound up because the formula was working.

39:05And we were worried about like introducing new stuff because what if they don't like it and this and that. And the more successful you get is like the scarier it gets because you think one wrong fucking move and it all crumbles, which isn't true. But we started experimenting, doing some like singing stuff or whatever. And people seemed to fuck with it. And then we got to a point to where we don't, we didn't really care if they didn't like it or not. Scott and I have been making this music for so long now that if we want to try something experimental or new, I think we deserve to at this point.

39:35So it can be a scary thing, but I think, you know, don't fear it and just do it and see what happens. Yeah, I think I agree 100 % on everything you said. I don't know if you went through this too, but for me on a more personal level, when I got sober, it was like I was so scared because I thought my drug use fueled all my creativity. Yeah, that was definitely a thought for sure. Yeah, and so for me, once I finally did start getting back into it, it was literally like learning how to walk all over again. It is, really. And the sound did kind of change as a result of that beat-wise, production-wise.

40:17More like less scary and sad sounding. Yes. So I think the evolution of our music has matched exactly. The evolution of us. Of us, yeah. That's a great point. That's how I look at it. What was it like? If you're on Pills and you're deep out on Pills, I never really got that out on them. If you're like Huff and Trank or whatever, I don't even know what some of the names are. Yeah, fucking swamp pebbles or whatever you're buying out of here. Just looking for anything now. Looking for a net hole. Oh, bro, they'll fucking have a tilapia flavored perk out here, bro. In New Orleans, they don't give a shit, bro.

40:56You'll have a fucking pecan crusted Zan bar out here, bro. You're like, what the fuck? Everybody wants to be a chef in this motherfucker, bro. That's crazy, dude. Polly and Adderall's. Oh, you'll have a bag of char-grilled somas over here. Like, damn, this place is crazy, dude. that's pretty funny bro but um what was it like making music when you're under that influence is it is it even possible to make music when you're like like that kind of pill high I don't know so I'm just curious like yeah is it just possible to just like listen back or is it do you feel any creative was there any creativity from the actual high of that I don't know if we work differently because I know sometimes you would wait until after we were done but this was early on to smoke weed it's uh i still smoke weed i couldn't go without it now ruby couldn't either you know what i'm saying so we were constantly on it all day so it's kind of like just feeling normal um yeah i would i would agree with that yeah it was don't you doze off and shit oh yeah that's like look how do you find you so do we both awake at the same time to make a try when you take a percocet first thing in the morning or whatever your oxy whatever it is it's going to give you a boost.

42:09Like I'll come out of that bathroom snorting something and I'm like, what's up motherfuckers? Like I'm like on one. And then the, as you keep dosing at the end of the day, it's kind of like when you've, you know, you've done all day it. And that's when you start to kind of nod off. It's like your body's like, okay, I'm dropping out. For me, I was mixing so much stuff, so much. This kid was all over the fucking place. And down, but you can hear it in the music. Now, sometimes we go back for, for laughs and we'll listen to some of the shit I made when I was like in psychosis. What would you say is the most fucked up you ever were for an album?

42:42I Want to Die in New Orleans. I think mine is. I will. Yeah. I think mine is. I hate that album. Stop Staring is mine. Really? Yeah. I hate that album. You did phenomenal on it, but I was so far gone, dude. I was literally in psychosis from doing so much speed and downers, bro. I thought Southwest Airlines was trying to kill me. You told me that story. Yeah, I thought Kyle took a life insurance policy out on me for 70 grand. This motherfucker. Bro, that's the most New Orleans shit ever. Somebody takes a life insurance policy out for$700, bro. Just for want to make it their truck payment. That's the fucking most New Orleans shit, bro.

43:22I remember that. We were in New Zealand when he told me that. He thought that they were putting a hit out on us. Yeah. He thought like. What do you say when he sits you down? I'll put them through hell, bro. Look, at one point I was starting to get really impatient with it. Because like I was tired of explaining. I was tired of explaining that like this insane theory wasn't actually happening. I would one time. I thought he had my phone. This was one time where he quit suicide boys on Twitter. I don't know if you remember that. Oh, I remember. And he, I remember where I was at. At the time he had just bought a condo in Bradenton, Florida, outside of Sarasota.

43:54And I can't get in touch with them. Kyle can't get in touch with them. And we decide let's, let's go out there. Let's just press him. Let's be in person. So long story short, we fly down there, rent a car, drive to his apartment. And he doesn't expect us. he doesn't know we're coming we go upstairs and i knock on the door and he's like one second i think to myself like man i just flew out here and fucked i'm not waiting a second i was like bro i'm here what's up like what's the problem and he was like uh give me a second he had to go to the bathroom do his little thing catch my drift and then we came outside he was ready to talk and this long story to say i was trying to like see i was like is he fucking with me is he lying to me is he thinking i'm does he think i'm stupid or does he actually believe this shit is and is he is he fucking crazy yeah so i had to sit him down i was like bro this southwest thing do you think that the board like like the people on the board of southwest sit in a boardroom southwest airlines southwest airlines and they they discuss how we're gonna assassinate scrim from suicide boys and he looked at me dead in the eyes the most serious look on his face and he goes yes and i lost my mind bro I took my phone and I threw it on the I was trying to hit the grass but I hit the sidewalk the fucker sparked and that pissed you off even more yeah yeah I thought they were trying to kill me because my brother had bootlegged one of our tracks and cause he was bad off on dope and sold it to this person for like 800 bucks but actually didn't give him the song he just scammed him and I thought the person he scammed was the son of somebody on the board of Southwest and they were just going to take me out.

45:31To speak on the other side of things, I'm thinking what is coming out of his mouth? Is it real or not? Come to find out the story of his brother stealing a song and selling it is true. And I'm sitting there and I feel bad because I've been calling him a liar in my head and all this shit. And then I find out it's true. So then I'm like, all right, so is all of this true? I still refuse to believe that the board of Southwest is meeting to discuss his assassination. But I had my brother and my family believe. That was a crazy fucking time. Bro, I was very convincing. I had fans tweeting at Southwest Airlines on Twitter.

46:06I did. Yeah, it was. Oh, there's so many. That's crazy. But that was toward the end. That was like when I was really spiraling. Fuck, dude. It's interesting, though, that you guys were at least had a close enough connection because a lot of bands fall apart from that kind of stuff. A lot of groups, a lot of teams fall apart. Everything falls apart. We're family. I'm glad you brought that. I don't know you know that, but we're family. Right, but for you to go there and want to actually just to think, let me see what's really going on with him. Dude, we've never even hit each other. Like, we've gotten in each other's faces ready to fucking beat the shit out of each other.

46:38And we've both been able, like, you're my cousin, and I don't want to do that. I don't want to hit you. I fucking hate you right now, but I'm not going to touch you. And it's gone both ways. And I say that the family thing, which obviously doesn't apply to everybody, but we've been able to look at the fact that we're cousins and the fact that we provide for our families, which is a shared family, as a reason to never give up on each other. If this was just one of my friends, I don't think it would have been the same. No. No, no, no. That's good that you brought that up because a lot of groups just don't make it in general.

47:09And doing business with family is usually not a smart way to go. But for us, I mean. It's the only time it worked out. Yeah, I think it's just a unique situation. Bro, we both got the same granny to answer to, and she ain't nothing nice. You know what I'm saying? She done FaceTimed me before. Scary woman. She done FaceTimed me before being like, you making music without your cousin? You know, like, she was like, pressing me. And I was like, and I'd have to call her and be like, Granny, I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's going to think that I'm, like, fucking venting to you. Does she stay up late or no?

47:40I don't think so. Granny? She's almost 80 now. She was a bus driver for the parish, Jefferson Parish, pretty much her whole life. Yeah, bro. Drove me to school from kindergarten to high school. Dang, brother. Real working woman, bro. And Waggaman. She would manhandle grown seniors in high school. Oh, bro, yeah. I watched her. I'm telling you, you don't want to fuck with that lady. She's from Wagman, bro. Oh, come on, man. Put it down. The first seat, they'll have a crock pot going in that bitch. Yeah, bro. They got lunch going in there. I made your pot of gumbo. That's back when the bus and I would just pick up a strange on that bitch.

48:18You'd have two raccoons in the fourth row, bro. Fucking Nutrio. Anything in that bitch, bro. Dude, the bus people used to cut, it used to be like the green seat cover. Sometimes they were green and sometimes they were black. People would cut a little slice in there. People put dope. The bus, they didn't even realize the bus the whole time was just driving dope around the fucking city. Damn. I never thought of that. Yeah, for real. People would keep everything. They would slice in the back. The inside of the seat was hollow. People would keep all kind of shit in there. I was too busy. Too crafty motherfuckers, bro.

48:49I was too busy fingering girls in the back of the bus. Hey, bro. The OU was in the 11th row. Yeah. Yeah, bro. That was a red light district of the bus. Randy, put it on Q93. Yeah, yeah. Q93. Wild Wayne. Yeah, dude. Remember Wild Wayne, bro? Mm-hmm. What were some of the things they would say on there? Q93, boys. I remember when the Saints were going to the Super Bowl, Q93 hosted some show at the Howlin' Wolf, and they had every... That year, because the Saints were doing so well, everybody came out with a Saints song. You remember that shit? You remember that shit? Wild Wayne hosted this show.

49:25It was like all these Saints rappers out there. I'm trying to think. Look at Wild Wayne Q93. See if we can play even their intro. I remember DJ Rowe would come on either 4 or 5 o 'clock every day. DJ Rowe in the mix.

49:46Yeah. I pitched the idea to wind the court that they need to advertise on Q93. And they did it. They did it? They did it. Wild Wayne, all them came in. Nuh-uh. Yeah. Yeah, we was bumping, bro. That's touching. This is 2002, bro. It's crazy. We were selling the shit out with some furniture after that. Did y 'all, was there some moments where you guys got to connect with some local artists when y 'all started coming up? Or how did that kind of go? Man, I'm going to say it. Go ahead, bro. The city fucking hates us, bro. They do. We don't get no love. We don't get any love from the city, not from people in the city, artists, nothing.

50:23It's interesting. We're not even doing a show this year in New Orleans because we don't feel love, and we're kind of a little annoyed. Yeah, we got out of every arena we went to last year. New Orleans absolutely treated us the worst. Like garbage, dude. Like they were doing us a favor. Yeah, I was actually like mind blown by it. And what is it do you think? Yeah, what do you think some of that is? You guys are something so different. Right. I don't know if that has something to do with it. I think people get turned off by the name Suicide Boys. And I know that like Aki Loomis doesn't fuck with us because of that.

50:58But what a lot of people don't understand is it's not, you know, it might have started off as like a way to say stupid shit, but it's definitely become a thing that people relate to. And it's become an important part of some kids' lives. And, you know, Scott and I want people to do well. We're not trying to tear people down. So it's funny how people get the wrong idea. I'm glad you said that because we never intended. We never had this grand idea or intention for it to turn into this community and turn into it or have kids being like, yo, you saved my life or the emails that Kyle and them get.

51:33Through fan letters. Yeah. All sorts of shit. So I think if people were to dig past the surface, they would see. but I think that also goes into like, this is bigger than us, dude. It's real interesting, man. I get more requests for you guys than anybody ever. Really? Oh, dude. I feel like kind of the same, bro. Everybody's been like, yo, y 'all got to go on deal. When the money signed to B when they sent it. At first I thought it was people just trying to get me to send them cash. I didn't know. Sending money to old B. Yeah. The first thousand I got, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy, dude? They must really, They're running a GoFundMe.

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55:01Yeah. I think he did great, bro. Me too. He did great. I don't even know. He lost. Islam won. Yeah, Islam won. What was in it? By a chokehold? Yeah, but it was so close. It was in the fourth round. But if this was a crawfish eating competition, you know who would have won? Yeah, all day. Look, he's almost shaped like a crawfish right there. Dustin didn't win, but I really didn't feel like he lost. I mean, this dude, everybody thought this dude was going to roll. Yeah. I don't want to say that. Safe to say, Nick, huh? people thought that Islam was going to beat him because he beats everybody. Yeah.

55:34And Dustin took that dude. So he put up a good fight, bro. Yeah. Dustin is a dog, bro. You gotta be, bro. You gotta be. And you could tell, man, it's just interesting the different ways a lot of people use to express themselves. You know, like if it's music or comedy or art. Well, I've gotten in, we've both gotten into training. Boxing. Boxing. Yeah. We've been doing that for the past couple of years. and bro that in itself is an art and a science and something to be respected. So now when I watch this, I have a whole different, I grew up watching it with my Paw Paw anyway. He was a boxer, but like.

56:37I watched these guys bro journey to the people who may be the man I am and that's the women in my life to my grandmother every day and I know I'm still protected by your prayers to my mother we've had a crazy life I love you thanks for always have my back it's my wife I love you so much I wouldn't be standing right here without you and babe Julie I don't know if I'd be breathing honestly if it wasn't for you and to And Parker, daddy's wine. I love you so much. I'm so proud of you. We all right, baby. That was so funny, dude. Always chase your dreams. What a beautiful moment, man. Really cool. You're an incredible man, Dustin Poirier.

57:15You said that's his last fight? I hope not. You're not sure. He's a fighter, man. I think the thing about him, he just like, even if you don't get the W, it's like he just, there's something about him. He shows up to fight. Yeah. And that's what I think everybody can relate to. It's like, all right, I can go fight. I can fight through another day in my life, whether it's just feeling okay or... Well, when he was talking in the post-conference interviews, he was bringing up the uncertainty of his future. And any time lately people bring that up, it makes me think about us. What we would do. Yeah, and what's next.

57:52I think we just give up music, train for 10 years, and then we can put on our own headlining fight. I'm about it. Me versus you. I don't want to do that. We can pull like a Sopranos and right as the fight's about to start, it fades to black. We collect our money. Oh, yeah. We're out. Now, that's brilliant. That's brilliant. I'm not going to hit you, bro. I just told him. I'm not going to fucking hit you. That's brilliant. Y 'all can fight somebody. Maybe the Ying Yang Twins. How old are they? Yeah. Bro, they have one of the best Cribs episodes ever, the Ying Yang Twins. They're just like shouting random noises like the whole time.

58:23That show is so entertaining. Yeah, they got, well, the Saints took their song, wasn't it? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I always thought that was kind of weird. You know, some A.C.S. You know, K. Gates. K. Gates took the beat and made it into the real and who that? The who that said. Oh, really? Oh, okay. Yeah, but I think there was like some copyright issue. That's them? Yeah. That's Yin Yang? So K. Gates took it and made a version. He made the hook. It's like who that? Yeah. Oh, okay. At the game, you'll hear the Yin Yang twins version. Yeah. But New Orleans is interesting, man. A lot of unique. Bro, I was walking down.

58:55This is how we even got this art. I'm walking down the street when I go next door to get a coffee. I was thinking, man, it would be cool if we had some neat art. There's a dude sitting outside blazing with his homie. Oh, shit. It's Louis Armstrong, I think. Or somebody. It's a jazz player. This dude, Tyrell Shaw. And this is his art, man. And he's like, I was like, dude, I'm about to chat with the Suicide Boys. You want to put a piece in? That's cool. He's like, yeah, man. That's fire that you put them on like that. I respect that. That's important local art, baby. it's kind of like what that's the thing about New Orleans I mean you can walk half a block you'll see talent in the streets you'll see talent you'll either get yeah you'll either disappear in a pothole we got no love you will disappear in a pothole we was handing out we was handing out mixtapes and then bitches were going in the trash actually I'm gonna tell the LSU story yeah Scott when we first started like recording and making music really first attempting to do this shit we made a CD for him a mixtape for him we got it printed we made 500 of them I made the cover for him.

59:56La, la, la. We go, what are we going to do with this? Let's go to shows and colleges. Let's go hand this shit out. Old school, right? Yeah, I'll put these shades on for this one. And this was also like in 2013. So we're going to old school. We go to LSU campus. We're staying with my brother because he's going to school there at the time. Wow. So y 'all didn't go hand shit out? Oh, yeah. And we go in like that big part of the campus where like all the traffic, all the people are walking by. It's like in between classes. Oh, yeah, the quad. Me and Scott hanging out CDs. Like, oh, you fuck with rap.

1:00:23Check this out. Whatever. bro first of all all them cds ended up in the trash like every fucking one yeah we turned around three feet away from us as the cd on the ground yeah but the funniest thing that happened that day was uh i love this part it was uh some girl it's like nervous freshman heading to class bunch of books in her bag you could tell she's like kind of on edge she's riding her bike and she comes in front of me and scott and rolls over his shoe and scott what we both do but uh scott loves white shoes. You know, the thing with white shoes is don't fucking scuff them. Like, keep them clean.

1:00:57And don't ride a bike over them. Don't ride a bike over them. It's not asking much. He flipped out. And I'm just like laughing the whole time because I just thought it was funny. But he was like, what the fuck? And this girl looks so scared, bro. You got to say, this motherfucker still looked like this too back then. And she took off, bro, did not look back. And I'm just like dying laughing. Like the white shoes, man. He's like, I'll floor your whole fucking house, lady. I lost count of how many fights I got in growing up over stepping on people's shoes, bro. That's how we met. That's how me and Kyle met at Fountain Blue because this dude was cutting the line.

1:01:31I stepped in his way. It was exam week. I was starving. It was chicken tender and macaroni. I'm about to say it's chicken tender day. Yeah, chicken tender day. We just had a lunch lady on. That's the biggest day. He's cutting the line with his homies. I'm like, nah, this ain't happening today, bro. I step in the way. I step on his shoes. And then, you know, next thing I know, I'm fighting him, both of his sisters who were built like linebackers and a couple other guys. A lot of shouldery women in that area. Yeah, yeah. A lot of shouldery women. That's how me and Kyle, that's how we met. He was like, yo, come roll with us from here on out.

1:02:03You went to Fountain Blue. So check this out. When I first moved up there. I love this. I was. Because that's in St. Timothy Parish. Yeah. So look, I grew up on the West Bank, bro. Henry Ford, I'm used to. if I met yeah go ahead go ahead I just want to set you up yes you know this but for our audience you know the Mandeville is the area of like the families that wear all white and take family portraits at the beach yeah yeah Mandeville yeah it's fancy that's the vibe yeah yeah so my bad continue no thank you for that and West Bank is definitely different bro there's a lot of places we're doing what we gotta do to get by yeah way grinding yeah you'll have somebody get buried in an oyster half shell or something over there you'll have they got some couple cuties over there in tall timbers I know that but otherwise you know it gets a little bit you never know bro you'll have a dude have his eyes taken out of a couple dice put in 100 yeah all day so scott's coming from that area i move yeah so it's moving yeah our neighborhood's getting really bad we just had my youngest brother my dad's like all right i'm getting there i'm getting the family up out of here moved to lacombe right by mandeville um so i go to fountain blue right i show up there i got cornrows in i got a big tall T.

1:03:13Remember tall T's? I had the big tall T on. I had some Jabos. It's about as baggy as these pants. And my bus driver was black. And even him, when I walked in the bus, he said, what the fuck are you doing? So alien just landed, bro. That's the first thing this man tells me. On my first day of school to ever get on the bus, five in the morning, he said, what the fuck are you doing? That's a long shirt you was in, too. So I'm like, Scott got on the shirt. It took a few more seconds, this shirt. It did. Yeah, it did. It did. There's somebody behind him like. Yeah. So I sit down. I'm like. Then I get to the school.

1:03:48It's 2 ,000 white kids, bro. Oh, yeah. So you want to talk about culture shock? I was like, I thought I landed on another planet. So did they. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good point. Bro, no one talked to me for a year. Oh, I could see that, bro. I was by myself for a year. Asbestosphere, bro. And it took me getting into a fight. For Kyle and them to be like, all right, you good. Come on. Damn. And then that's, yeah. That is a way to prove yourself. That's a short version of the story. Yeah. There's something about walking around a schooler when nobody talks to you that you create this own universe in your head.

1:04:24Oh, yeah. My high school? Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, it's like a first person gang. It's like, you know, you're living in a first person shooter world. Oh, yeah. You know? It's true. I was going to say, he got that experience. My experience in high school, I went to Jesuit. It was all boys, Catholic, prep school, whatever. And I definitely did not fit in, in that school. When I, to this day, if I say that. I didn't know you went to Jesuit. See, when I say I went to Jesuit, people are like, what? You, you went to Jesuit? And I got involved with drugs early. I was like 14. Earlier to me. Yeah.

1:04:54I was going to, I was actually going to say that story too. I was like 14 and I started, I was like, I'm gonna try it all. Because I just tried weed and it wasn't as bad as they said it was. So I'm gonna try it all. I'm gonna fuck bitches. I'm gonna do crack, all that shit. I did it all. Oh yeah, I love that. That's the crazy thing about drugs. Fuck bitches and smoking crack. Yeah. which is funny because those two things really don't go together actually but anyway i i like spread this rumor about myself i was snorting heroin on my desk in geometry class oh yeah and i did it because i got off to like how everybody thought i was crazy yeah and i liked it i like people thinking i was crazy so i let the rumor spread when they got back to me it was like oh oddy slangs crack downtown to pay for his high school la la la that's like what they were saying about me.

1:05:38And I confirmed all of this. Pay for your own way to private school. Why would I do that, first of all? Second of all, I confirmed it all. I was like, yep, all that's true. And let me tell you something, bro. No one fucked with me. Like, everyone let me be. They thought I was cool, whatever. And that was my way of like getting all those guys to fuck off. You know? It's an entrepreneurial thing, bro. Yeah, that dude is... That dude is... It's always been like that. It's also like doing the most for like what... Yeah. That was a fun time, though, bro. yeah you saw we used to always hear stories about little wayne driving to school did y 'all hear that story uh-uh that little wayne like somebody got him a car when he was 14 he didn't even have a license i believe it yeah and he would drive to school when it was like a um hummer i don't know whatever whatever was hot at the time fucking prowler yeah something like that and he would drive in park by the teachers and shit and nobody said nothing yeah that was like a rumor that we always heard shit that dude was famous since he was 14 that shit's crazy yeah and then juvenile Holiday used to have a rumor he chased a woman with an ice pick.

1:06:37That wasn't a rumor. I appreciate that. It was real. Yeah. On the North Shore. Yeah. In the neighborhood I live in. I remember like. So as a result of that. At least name a road after him, bro. Check this out. When they found out I was moving in, the whole HOA had a meeting about a rapper. Oh, just recently? No. When I first moved into that neighborhood a couple years ago, they had a meeting about whether or not we like this rapper moving in but i mean little do they know that i mean dude i i'm so low-key bro it happened to us too when we we had recently moved to florida too yeah and they found out these two rappers were moving into the neighborhood and they threw a fucking fit bro they were not having it and then we move in they realize we like are quiet nice friendly guys yeah i was like picking up my neighbor's kid from his school like yeah yeah bro like well i think there's been a history of like i mean you had like when i was in college uh master p would come over to the rec center and shoot ball oh really he would come with silk and he would come with uh shout out so yeah he would come with silk still in jail isn't he no see murder still in jail yeah see murder would come with them um and they would have all kind of guys over there but then some of those yeah like see murder went to jail you had juvenile went to jail for a while then he bg went to jail i think I think there's so much history of a lot of New Orleans rappers, like Mystical went to jail.

1:08:00Oh, yeah. So you have a lot of that culture. I think it probably. Damn, I didn't even put all that together. How many New Orleans rappers? It gets fearful for a lot of guys. Boosie was in jail for. A long time. About five years, four years? Yeah, eight, I think. Goddamn. I mean, when you think about that. That's why Boosie moved out. That's why he got out of here. BG was in jail for like a decade. I know. But your dad? Oh, yeah. When my dad was in jail. Really? Yeah. BG was in jail. No way. His dad told us a story about his dad was in St. Tammany and so was BG. Apparently BG one day just got fed up.

1:08:29Because imagine being a rapper. You go to jail. How many people are trying to freestyle to you? Oh, my God. You know, like put me on, whatever. Put me on and I'm in jail. Yeah, put me on. Just walking in here, they were doing it. There you go. Exactly. So apparently BG one day makes an announcement to everybody saying, if one more motherfucker comes up to me and freestyles, I'm going to have a big problem. And they said, okay, bet. And they just beat the shit out of him anyway or something like that. I don't know. Your dad was in St. Tammany? Yeah, he was in St. Tammany. For like eight months, ten months or something?

1:08:57Six. Six. I think six months. It was a DUI. We shot your first video. Like that week he got out. He got out. Yeah, yeah. So fucking crazy. It was like his first day out video type shit. Did you guys' success give him like any cloud in the pen, did he say, or anything like that? That was way after. Yeah, that was before. Boy, that was like actually right before we linked up and stuff. Do y 'all see that Rick Ross car show, man? No, I know he's been, yeah, I know he puts one on. He put one on in his front yard. You trying to go? I think it just happened. I saw that boozy before. Look at this. This is his front yard.

1:09:36I got to put my prescription on. That's his cars? No, people bring their cars, bro. So they pay to buy tickets to go to this. Oh, they probably got some crazy whips out there. bro there's a couple damn cg was the miami uh looks like it atlanta maybe i think it's yeah there's one damn

1:10:02that's pretty wild i've never seen no shit like that before yeah that's pretty cool cg get the one with the horses bro when you roll in they got um oh yeah that's i think that's a van that Holyfield's house. What is that? A fucking Ferrari? Yep. Just as a horse trough? What the fuck, bro? They got horses eating strut hay out of Ferraris, baby. Out of a horse, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's more horsepower, bro. People just be thinking how to flex, bro. That's horsepower right there. Bro, that's, yeah, that's kind of like a wild, that's a... People be coming up with the craziest ways to flex.

1:10:33Because you have to now. You have to. How many, how much bigger can chains get? How much more expensive can your cars be? You gotta start doing crazy shit. Yeah, look at this guy. all these speakers this dude this was wild looking bro is that that fucking toyota you know i'm talking about those suvs yeah that's fj fj yeah that's crazy damn with the dolphins colors dude my dad used to have a cutlass my dad bought a cutlass from a couple brothers that live around the corner from us when i was a kid i've told this story before but i only have so much stories but um and my dad was eight like probably 80 years old at the time right so he buys this bitch that had 22s in a trunk, right?

1:11:10He has no idea. He can't even fucking hear. So, bro, he would take - Subs? Huh? Yeah. 22s? Bro. What? That's fucking huge. Oh, bro. It was huge, bro. He got it. Holy shit. I had the trunk clothes, bro. The dude had to get rid of it quick, bro. So my dad ended up with it, dude. And he would take us to school, bro. Oh, yeah. And he would just be - Oh, what the fuck? Bro, my brother got braces and bitches fucking shit. What were y 'all listening to? NPR radio. fuck. The news, bro. Cloud, cloud, cloud. 80 % chance of what? That thunder hit with them 22s, bro. Dude, on Q93, though, it would be crazy because even the weather was like, we got a fucking 30 % chance of it being hot as a motherfucker.

1:11:56It would always be like, damn, this is an adventure, bro. That's crazy. It might be raining, bitches. Y 'all stay woke. It was always like the weirdest weather report on Q93, man. Yeah. Little bounce beat going behind it. It would always be something, bro. And B97, that was another one they had before that. B97 was more like top 40, but because it was New Orleans, they also did some hot boy shit. Wasn't Mark involved in B97? Kyle's dad was GM. Yeah, and who's here with you today just so I know this week and reference him? Yeah, yeah. This is our management, Kyle and Dana. Kyle and Dana. Yeah, nice to see you guys, man, respect.

1:12:34As much as they try to stay behind the scenes, we always make sure that gets seen in this a couple times. But y 'all's whole world is like that, man. Everything is what I'm saying. It just feels like it's, y 'all, it feels indie. Yeah. But not in a bad way. It feels like, yeah, it just feels like it's y 'all's world. It is. Just even that little thing right there. It's like a lot of people don't have their man coming. If they do, yeah, they're in a suit or something. And it's, you know, it just feels like it's. It's family to us, bro. Everybody around us. We've been through so much with these guys.

1:13:01Yeah. It's our four-person team right here. Yeah. Yeah, like some people, like Will Smith was going to come on. Come on. But he had some issues. What was it? It was like. It was like a scheduling thing. And he wanted a little more control over the conversation. Like we, there was things where like we couldn't, like just, you couldn't ask about it, you know? So it was almost like, then you're just an advertisement for like a movie or something. You know? Did you not want to ask, like talk about the slap? Yeah. Or even, you couldn't even ask. And I wouldn't have said like, Hey, what do you hit a guy or something?

1:13:31I would be like, maybe what's been going on in your life that that's been, that's been hectic for you the past couple years. You know, just talk about like what makes you feel like that. Yeah. I don't need to know like the detail. Just seemed like he would be having a tough time probably. Yeah. Unless something was going on between them guys. But a lot of times too, it's the agents that'll say that shit. And the artists or whatever don't have any clue. Yeah. You know, it's just how they want to control and prop. Not us, dude. We talk all the time. Everybody's on the same page because a lot of things didn't happen because of communication being fucked up.

1:14:04from all of us. We all have dropped the ball at some point a little bit with communication. So now, you know, the four of us, that is the most important thing is communication and trust. So any fucking relationship, like, it doesn't matter if it's professional or romantic. It's hard to find people to trust, bro. It really, I have a lot of trust issues. I've been fucked over a lot in many ways. So I'm grateful that I have him and I got these guys. It helps that you all went to high school together and shit. Yeah, yeah. It's my best, Kyle's my best friend. I mean, we're all brothers now, but me and Kyle were best friends since high school.

1:14:36Should have that guy forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, bro. He helped wash them bike tires off your shoes there, bro. But, bro, we wouldn't. I mean, we were doing our thing, and they helped take us to another level. Wow. You know what I'm saying? It really is a thing. Only good things can only happen with a group effort. It's definitely. Kanye said something not that long ago, man, where he's like, something, I'm going to mess it up, but something to the effect of, like, nothing's a solo project. Nothing is a solo program. You know, like nothing's a solo. To your point, you know what I'm saying?

1:15:06Like it takes a team of people. It really does. I believe that. And even then the team of people to absorb it and listen to it and want to feel it. Yeah, yeah. You know, because it's interesting that listeners of things, and even us, when we listen to stuff, we get a whole different thing out of it than the creator gets, you know? It's really kind of wild. Yeah. It's actually a good point, Theo. And I don't think that point gets brought up enough either. because the listeners or the audience, rather, is just as an important part of what the fuck we do and what you do. That doesn't get brought up a lot, I think.

1:15:36Yeah, because you could be a good chef, but if nobody's enjoying it, you know, nobody's out there licking their lips or whatever, or putting a little bit in their napkin for the dope I'm in at home or whatever, bro. Put some Zatarans on it. Oh, we used to have a lunch lady, bro. She'd take everything. Bro, you wouldn't even be done. She'd be like, I'm going to get this for my dog. I'd be like, bitch, I ain't even had one body, bro. I'm about to put a fur coat on and fucking hang out on your Porsche. Then I'm fucking starving. Because she come take it off your plate before you even got to eat. That's too funny.

1:16:07But you guys love New Orleans. Are you guys featured in a lot of you guys' videos and stuff? You know, it's obviously like a part of your life that you, so even if you haven't felt like as much of a fan base here, you guys still have a lot of love for Louisiana. Yeah. I mean, dude, I think we both have a lot of love for just the Gulf Coast in general. This is the region we're from. We're comfortable here. Shaped who we are. Yeah. A lot of our personality, style, all of that. But, yeah, I mean, dude, New Orleans. And someone told us this early on. I remember this. This is when. So, basically, if I can give you a visual presentation, we were trying to go like this.

1:16:48Start local, build regional, go like that. And someone informed us. I'm grateful they did. This is when SoundCloud started popping, internet rappers like Young Lean, Bones, Zay when he was Ethel Wolf, all that was popping off. And someone was like, you basically got to attack the internet because everybody here knows who you are. You know what I'm saying? Johnny sees you at the gas station three times a week buying cigarettes. Like, he ain't really buying what you're selling. whereas when you go through the internet and that's what we did you know we were we were able to create this thing where we got popping and all these other places first and it literally started from like russia and then came back to new orleans was the last place yeah the advice was don't go local to international do the internet and attack an international crowd first because your hometown is gonna be the last place that fucks with you and it's true because that was true don't fuck with us.

1:17:49Yeah. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. But y 'all, it yells, it yells, it's, it's so interesting because there's a lot, there's a lot of New Orleans in it. There's a lot of New Orleans in it. You know. Dude, it shaped us. This, me and him, bro, we like worshipped cash money. Yeah. We loved Hot Boys. We wanted to be Lil Wayne. Like Lil Wayne was a huge influence on both of us. And I would argue that Master P is a huge inspiration to me and him. How that motherfucker started a label, had a rapping career, almost made it to the NBA. was putting his son in Nickelodeon shows. He was making movies. This motherfucker's a renaissance man.

1:18:23Oh, he was one of the first kind of black. He was kind of an early Tyler Perry to everybody, especially from this area. He's worth like 600 mil, bro. He was a huge inspiration to us. Somebody that could just achieve all that. And especially from being from Caliope Projects. If we're not from the Caliope Projects, it was our excuse of not making it. You know what I mean? This guy went from literally rags to riches. Big inspiration on us. A big reason. To us. A big inspiration behind doing the label rather than just focusing solely on Suicide Boys. That's a good point. That was why we did G59. Yeah.

1:18:56Because of Cash Money and No Limit. Yeah. And then how do you get, like, is Cheddar on G59? Yeah. Okay. Cheddar, Night Lavelle. Germ, Shake. Germ, Shake, Ramirez. Okay. We have about five artists, six including ourselves. Yeah. And so a lot of those guys will tour with you. I know Cheddar toured the last tour that I saw. He was on. 2021. Yeah. So. This year we're taking Shakewell. Shakewell. Yeah, we try to switch it up. We have every tour, you know. And also set those guys up. They do a great job of setting those guys up on their own tour so they get their own shine. You know what I'm saying?

1:19:33Yeah, Cheddar just came out with an album. Yeah. What's it called? Sacrifice and Sabotage. Yeah, man, he's great, bro. He's a good dude, bro. I love him, man. He and I have become pretty close. Yeah, he's a good dude. He's a hard worker. He is. He got a big heart, bro. He's the only person besides me that I know that works as much as I do, bro. He gets it in. We try to show the boys love, and we've taken them on grade A and stuff, but with the other artists on our label, we try to take them on tour, but also, like he said, set them up on their own tours because it's important. Bro, anything in this world that you get through hard work is going to be yours to keep for a very long time.

1:20:12But anything that was handed to you that you got very easily, it's not going to last very long. You know, so it's important that these guys grind. We're behind them. We support them and push them to grind and make your own audience. You can, you can borrow some of ours, but I don't want that for you because it's not going to last long. I want you guys to have your fans that you earned and I want it to be as big as it possibly can. Whatever we can do to do that, we will. Yeah. I don't, I don't think the shortcut of like just giving it to you is going to work. It's not going to work. Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:40And a lot of it's inspiration. No, I won't. That's a good point too. And a lot of it is, even if you're just other artists you're around each other you inspire each other you know yeah like you're like oh i'm learning from this beat or this thing or like oh this is cool or wow look what he brought in and that's you know um it's definitely like you guys's own it's almost your own galaxy or something or your own like solar system y 'all have going on yeah thank you um yeah it's interesting man what uh so yeah what is going to be different about the new music what do you feel like if you had to be specific about it bro i think scott agrees with me um but sometimes when we make albums or projects and we don't really like i don't know how to explain this there's been projects that we put out that we thought were great and we wanted to do all these things for it and like they were great projects and they did their thing and like they came and went but there's been a couple where we didn't even think about it and i don't know i have this weird feeling that this album is going to be huge yeah and i'm not just saying that to promote it or whatever i'm not really one for self-promotion but we both have this weird feeling like it's like when we don't try is what i'm trying to say oh yeah we don't try we make a fucking masterpiece yeah but when we're trying too hard we make like some try hard shit yeah doesn't sound as good try hard shit that's such a good term man yeah that is good because sometimes we'll work on a clip or something it's like after we kicked it you can just tell like man force it yes we just try to shine this to or get it you know do something and then we mess it up right there oh i was just gonna you know it gets like we never wanted to be in a box we said that from the beginning we wanted to be able to make whatever we wanted to make at any time but as you grow as you grow a fan base in this community you kind of get put in the box they get they have expectations you know um luckily i feel like a lot of them have grown with us there's still some of those out there that that's still suicide balls is better in 2015 we want to always have a bad you were better when you were on drugs whatever but to his point um this is my favorite album same that you know i feel like i say that a lot but like kyle always says he's like dude y 'all just get better and better and better i don't understand it either i'm 35 years old i'm like You know what I'm saying?

1:22:55I should be retiring soon, but I do think one thing that has helped, you know, suicide boys sometimes can feel like a job. Yeah. Because there's deadlines. There's, like, got to get it done. There's expectations. I think one thing that has helped, like, release the valve a little bit and, like, let some of the pressure off, he's been doing Duck Boy, which is like his little going back to his roots and doing his band stuff and experimenting and being able to be free and same with me I've been able to experiment with some some some sound solo wise and then when we do that we you know I feel like we feel refreshed we feel loose yeah and then when we come back to SB you know what I'm saying like actually excited yeah you know the pressure like I don't know I don't know how to explain you still feel like an individual i think because there's something that i'm sure once you're in a group that part of your the individuality it's there but it's it's uh partnered with something yeah so to be able to develop yourself more and then bring it to anything is probably pretty cool yeah and to still remind yourself that you can develop as an individual and absolutely i bet that's that's interesting is there collabs and stuff on this um no no we never we never really big on collabs Right.

1:24:15You guys don't do a lot of it. So is, yeah, I was just wondering, is it, is it something you guys ever think about or do people reach out about it? We were supposed to do something with ski mask recently. Um, but the thing is, dude, if you don't catch us when you catch us, you're going to be waiting another year. Right. Cause we move quick. And if, if you, if you pass it up and like, bro, we can't rewind and go back. We still, we have a lot of shit on our own, on our own plates that we have to get. Right. So that is the hardest part about how it happens. It's like getting it back in time. You know what I'm saying?

1:24:44like getting it done. I think it's best whenever we, like whenever we do joint projects like we did with Germ, Shakewell, when we all get in a room together and we're able to just like pound it out for a week or two. Yeah, we just lock ourselves in the room for a week and knock it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love listening to Shakewell, dude. Shakewell's a very talented fucker. And he's so entertaining, bro. Yeah, bro. Yeah. I was out watching that. He was in that movie. You and him were in that movie, right? Yeah. I was thinking about that yesterday. Oh, we hung out together for like probably two weeks every day.

1:25:12Bro, that's a solid fucking dude and just so like I love how excited he gets when he like gets kind of some information he's kind of telling you something yeah you know like it's uh he gets that look in his eye yeah yeah it's cool he's just such a warm guy yeah and very talented so talented man I watched they have that video I think it's with Pouya it's like one they it's all shot in one scrubs yeah and uh that was really shake was like kind of coming out to the world right there was that was like his his debut. Yeah, it's old. It's old. It's up in this crowd since day one. The best, there's a comment on it too.

1:25:48It's like, imagine you just going in to pay for gas and you get stuck behind this guy making a rap video. That's funny. But it was great, man. They did a good - But all you want is 20 on pump four and the dude's ahead of you making rap. Yeah, that was so good. Pull that credit card out. But yeah, man, when he gets those braids, he's got that Native American look in him a little bit. Because he's part Mexican, isn't he? Half Mexican. Yeah. Fucking cool. He has that it factor to him. You know what I'm saying? You can have all the talent in the world, but you got to have that it factor. But Shake, you can tell it just comes naturally to him.

1:26:22Yes. And Shake had a background in the hardcore world, playing bass in that band Betrayal and shit, that metal rock hardcore shit. So he had experience in music and playing shows. And I met him, we both met him when we went to LA for the very first time. We go to Fat Nick and Krezz's crib. there's like within i don't know a couple hours it's it's a party all of a sudden like and in la i think that just kind of happens like there's no plans yeah so we must have met 30 fucking people that night i don't remember a single one of them until i shake well was one that was uh consistent like consistently hanging around puya and stuff and then we were like oh you make music too and when people tell you that and you like have a little success with music you kind of you don't really know where the boundary is like are they gonna want me to listen to it and like am i gonna like it yeah but his shit was fire and you know we kept our eye on him for a long time did you guys ever tour in any of the same circles as guys like mac miller little peep those guys so fucking weird that you bring that up we were just talking about this yesterday we did a festival once in sweden called bravalla back in 2017 our first european run and uh that festival's not a festival anymore because too many dudes were groping chicks like sexual assault style yeah watch it dudes yeah Watch it, guys.

1:27:34We actually had to cut the show short a couple times to tell them, back up, stop trying to grab titties, whatever. Anyway, Mac Miller was at this festival, and that was the first time we met him and kind of kicked it with him a little bit. We also met Linkin Park that day, too. Met Chester and Mike, and Chester committed suicide. Met us. A month after that. It was insane. Met Sway Lee, too. We met Sway Lee that night. Sway's dope, huh? Yeah. He's a cool guy. He's a guy that - Bro, imagine Jimmy. We met Jimmy, too. Like, nobody fucks with us. And I'm walking and I hear, hey, scram. And like that high-pitched voice, I turn around and sway Lee.

1:28:09So I'm just, you know, in that moment, I'm like, what the fuck is going on? It's pretty surreal. Yeah. It was one of those moments meeting all them people where I'm like, bro, what the fuck is going on? We don't get the nod from a lot of industry artists or artists in the industry, rather. So we're always curious. But some of it, you enjoy that probably, right? Like it's probably good you're doing our own shit. I still work every day. Like I'm broke. Yeah. I'm in the studio every day. I got this chip on my shoulder that I can't get off. And that's part of it. What do you think that has to do with sobriety?

1:28:43A little bit? I think you're right. 100%. Because I got like that. Dude, I would wake up at 1 p.m. on a Wednesday like it was nothing. I didn't give a shit. And now I can't sleep late. If I'm not cleaning the house or doing something productive, I feel like a fucking piece of shit. I think sobriety is a big factor. Yeah. I think I fell in love with my work. You know, I don't have a wife or nothing yet or anything, but I think my first love is my work. It's like, and I remember back to relationships I was in, I would get home with my girl. We'd have gone and done something. And then next thing I know, I always remember I'm on my computer.

1:29:15I'm doing something. Yeah. And she's like waiting to watch a show together, watch a movie or make some popcorn. Yeah. And then after a while, she's gone. Yeah. Just sitting there. I've been in a relationship now almost four years. and it's to your point she was like she respects it you know she knows how i am she knows how i work she respects it i can see i would get frustrating from the female point of view she was like can you at least just start taking the weekends off and hanging out with me and i was like yeah you got a point i can i can do that recently i had to start like cutting off work at like six o 'clock seven o 'clock for the west coast because with this job whatever you want to call it.

1:29:56There's no hours. It's not a nine to five. Things can pop up at 1am. Things could pop up any day of the week and you don't know when or where it's coming from. So I kind of, for myself, had to set something up to where it's like after six, it can wait till the fucking morning. Unless it's an emergency. But I had to put that limit on myself. Yeah. Yeah. You don't realize, yeah, you kind of just start to think, oh, I just have to work, but it's not really true. It's your own choice. And then you wonder, why am I going fucking crazy? Oh, because I have too much shit on my plate. I'm trying to do too many things at once.

1:30:23And again, I would attribute that to sobriety. but all you guys' stuff is very hands on it's like even all your merch, the way it looks it's like yeah, it all like just like the fonts it's all very specific to you guys' world our merch available next week you're seeing two exclusive pieces this is from the album I'll give you this one when I leave I got a shirt in the car too what size do you wear? probably large or XL high M to XL high M Yeah. A medium motherfucker? This is a large. It's a big medium. What the fuck's a big medium? Kind of like a Toledo medium. I heard a shmedium. I ain't never heard of a big medium.

1:31:03A big medium? I ain't never heard of a big medium. Let me get them big mediums. Dude, I remember one time, bro, we used to make shirts before the Saints games, right? So it was like we would get them printed. Oh, my sister had made love to some dude or whatever, and that shit fell apart. and he left in the settlement or whatever, she got like 350 black T-shirts, right? Damn, what? Yeah, like. What? Large ones. So let's just, you know, double XLs. You know what I'm saying? Fucking those brother outfits. That's how I rock it. Yeah. Tall T's. Yeah, yeah, brother. Fuck it, yeah, yeah. It's got a Fountain Blue debut too.

1:31:40Yeah, I still rock it like that. Yeah, that Fountain Blue. It's like a Fountain Blue homecoming dress. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's what it is. For men or women. That's what she got in a settlement? Yeah. That's pretty wild. So she got 300 of them bitches. So she and I were living together off of Claver. And so we're like, damn, bro, we got to make some fucking money, you know? And so we got some Saints shirts printed up and like with the Saints shit on. So it was illegal. We couldn't have it. Who leg? Oh, yeah. So we're walking before the Saints games just with ice chest and shit. I quit comedy for about maybe nine months.

1:32:13And we're walking and trying to sell them bitches. and some dude, angry dude, came up and tried to order a couple big mediums. Big mediums. That's what he said? Yeah. We tried to help him, bro, but he wasn't willing to negotiate his perspective of a medium. Right, right, right. Can I put an M in front of this L? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he was negotiating from a real unique angle. He wanted an ex-medium. What a guy. I'd like to meet him. My girlfriend would walk around. I know she was so embarrassed. Not embarrassed. She was supportive, but she was like, this dude's got to get a fucking job.

1:32:49Sound like my dad, bro, when we were early on. Yeah. He's like, you're running up my fucking AC bill. You're running up. Oh, yeah, dude. When this shit's going to work, you need to go get a fucking job. About music, you mean? Yeah, this was early on. Because we were like in the studio all the time. So the studio we had was a little, you know them sheds you can buy at Home Depot? Yeah. And like set up. It was that. Especially this is like back in 2002. The ground with the plywood and went south. This was like, what's the fake plywood paneling or whatever? Yeah, something like that. A plastic-looking wood?

1:33:18My mom did hair in there, and then she quit doing it. We turned it into a studio. So I was living there on the couch. We were working in there. He'd come up like three, four days out the week and sleep over there. Everything before I Want to Die was made in there. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Even some of I Want to Die was. Some of it, yeah. Yeah, some of it was made in there. Fucking King Tulip. That place is legendary. But yeah, he was bitching at me, bro. He's like, bro, you got to go get some fucking money, dude, because you're running my shit up. It's funny you got people eating my fucking pantry out and shit.

1:33:45Oh, yeah, bro. Moms would always say that. Well, you know how coming from here, bro, they think of Hollywood. They're like, man, this fucking party. Like, go to the shipyard, bro. Get a job. Yeah, go to the shipyard. Yeah. Go through. My mom used to always tell us to get a paper ride or whatever. Yeah. I'm like, everybody goes missing in this neighborhood. but yeah i'm trying to think of the jobs we would get man i would just work in my dad's restaurant oh snowball stand bro how many families in new orleans have fallen apart from over joint owned snowball i don't know bro someone should look into that people down here take them things fucking seriously bro depending on like the style of shaved ice it is the quality of the syrup people take that shit mad serious down here yeah like we get this syrup fresh from italy people saying all kind of bullshit or whatever.

1:34:37You'll have somebody out of state being like, oh, a snow cone. And people are like, uh-uh, it's a snowball. They get very defensive. It's a snowball, bruh. Yeah, bruh. It's a snowball. My buddy Thomas Macaluso used to go to Jesuit. You ever remember him? That sounds so familiar. He used to make fake IDs, and he was always selling those. That's a good awesome. Macaluso is like a big New Orleans name, I think. Yeah, his brother's a cop. Fucking T-Mac, he's the best, bro. Damn, I just... And he had a snowball stand, and he opened up an Italian restaurant, bro. That's the Holy Trinity, bro. Right there.

1:35:06Snowball stand. There you go. Snowball stand, an Italian restaurant. Oh, yeah, bro. That also does po' boys. Oh, for sure, bro. You know? You can get a snow cone on French bread if you want, bro. Yeah. They'll do it like that. They do pickle juice in the snowballs. Like, that's a flavor. Yeah, it's a West Bank thing. Yeah. They do pickle juice. Sounds like it. People do everything, dude. Bag shrimp on the side of the road, strawberries. Bro, I can't tell you how many crawfish shells I see, like, just scattered. I thought we were going to do this shit in the woods. I know you had talked about it.

1:35:35I thought about it. It's too hot, bro. It was so hot, bro. And the sounds, too. We'll have to catch it. But we got the streetcar going by. Oh, yeah. This is good. We were in here last night for a couple hours. These guys were in here. The vibes are right. We wanted to make it nice for you guys, man. Fuck yeah. So this tour, where will you guys go? I know you guys would go abroad and stuff like that, but are there new places you add? Are there hot pockets? You said Russia was one of the places that - One of the first. That was one of the first places we ever went. That's crazy. Yeah, bro. 2015, 16?

1:36:05From fucking Laplace to Russia, bro. Yeah, pretty much. We like brought my dad with us because - He was our DJ. He was our DJ, bro. Not only that, but we didn't want to go to Russia, Dolo, because we were worried about like customs and we really had no experience traveling. If y 'all saw Russia, immediately I would put y 'all, dude. Oh, dude. Two, we all make one Britney grind, bro. It was sketch, bro. I remember - It was sketch. Two things. One, my dad ended up being the DJ. And it was funny because we had Scott's MacBook. Didn't we do this all for like a thousand bucks too? The Russian shit?

1:36:38It was cheap. I think it was like five, two grand maybe. And how did you even find out there were your fans? Somebody hit us up asking if we, he emailed us. He was a promoter in Russia asking if we wanted to come over there and play a few shows because we had a fan base out there. And we said, yeah, sure. And back then the experience was cool enough. We didn't care about the money. That was just a bonus. So we went to Russia, did Minsk, Belarus, St. Petersburg, and Moscow. My dad's up there behind us. First of all, hottest fucking shows ever. And my dad's on the MacBook, and we taught him, like, this means press the space bar to stop the song.

1:37:13If we do this, that means slowly turn it down. It's funny. He's sitting there with his glasses, like. And he was so nervous. He's in his 50s. He's in his 60s now. He's in, you know. Late 50s back then, yeah. Oh, that'll age you 10 years, Stan. I could tell he was like nervous as fuck and I felt bad. Where was it where they rushed the stage? That was... Bro. Minsk? So we're in Minsk. If they rush the stage, hit the space bar. Last song. Last song. They just, they literally, the whole crowd runs up on the stage. I look back. I see Uncle Pablo's. I see his dead just sitting there like surrounded by people.

1:37:51He's flipping the fuck out. He's like, turn it down or a space bar? Yeah, he was like. I don't know which one. It looked like he was floating. like they were carrying them. That was the youngest show we've ever played. All those kids were like 12, 13. Yeah. To this day. Yeah, it was wild. Minsk was interesting. I never even heard of Minsk. It's just right in Belarus, right outside Russia. So just the fact that you're even saying that, to think that you could make something, right? That you could make something on the fucking West Bank, that you could make something in a parish, just in a small town in Louisiana, and then there's people in Minsk, Russia.

1:38:23It's crazy. It trips me out, bro. It honestly is crazy. It really does. it's unreal man yeah and this year we went we went uh we went back to australia and new zealand been like oh is that is that it holy shit bro that's russia i've been minutes holy shit 1305 16 why they have 13 months there yeah holy shit yeah what the oh no they put their days before the month i remember after this show This is what, Minsker? Look at him. Look at him. Look at him. Look at him by the DJ. Dad in the back? Yeah. That's my dad fucking DJing. Focused. Damn, focused and fucked, bro. DJ Uncle P. He's like, down, space bar.

1:39:07Oh, dude, he was a nervous wreck. Bro, he ain't moving. Oh, of course he ain't moving, bro. He got funny. He looked like a statue. Bro, it's like when you're driving with two foot on each pedal. Yeah, yeah. Dude, that is so funny. Bro, that's... Shout out, Uncle P. I think I fell off stage. No, that was Moscow. I fell off stage in this big-ass Russian bodyguard, bald dude, fucking dead eyes. Just the smoothest thing. My leg falls off. I fall off stage, and he just, like, threw me back on stage. I was like, whoa. That was crazy. It's wild over there. They don't have children playing with dolls that are made out of stone and shit.

1:39:45Those kids are tough. They're tough kids. It's a tough people, dude. It's a different world. It's a harsh country, you know? I respect Russians, bro. Those people, they get shit done, bro. They're nuts. They drink vodka and eat, what's that shit? Pussy. Borscht. Borscht. Oh, borscht. Caviar. Some of the best sushis in Moscow. Really? Mm-hmm. Delicious. I wouldn't say go out there. I wouldn't. Yeah, I ain't going all the way over there, bro. I might go to Metairie to get something. Yeah. I ain't going all the way over there. Yeah, go to Mickey Motor or something. What was the place y 'all would go eat at and stuff?

1:40:19Did y 'all ever, when your family would go out to eat when you were kids, was there a spot y 'all family would go that was kind of a nice place? No, Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut when you could sit down? Yeah. You remember that? When it was like - Buffet style. It had that aura to it. You know what I'm saying? Nice, bro. It had that aesthetic. Not anymore. Yeah. Go in. I don't think we really ever went out as a family when I was younger. Yeah, we didn't either. Our biggest - That one. Yeah. Yeah, that was so nice. Now it's like a trap house for Ragu, dude. Until this, I didn't see past Biloxi. Biloxi was like - Maybe Pensacola.

1:40:55Oh, dude, when I was growing up, bro, if somebody went to Florida, bro, you thought they was the fucking richest guy in the world. That's like the Yat, like, oh, we're going to Pensacola. You'd see somebody had a t-shirt that said Florida on. He'd be like, this motherfucker. Look at this fucking bro. Republican. There's like a connection. Yeah. 100%, bro. Look at this fucking Republican over here in Florida. Fucking doing it. There's a lot of Louisiana people in Florida. It must be the Gulf Coast. I don't know. It's just so close, but there's so many. I won't say where, but we're on the panhandle and it's, yeah, it's a lot of Louisiana transplants.

1:41:33Well, Louisiana was some of the first people outside of Florida to realize what a great spot Destin was, too. Some brave people. I don't even know who it was. Bro, that place was barren In like the 80s. No police, no roads, no nothing. People lived out there. Let's say they bought a house back then for 30K. I mean, they're selling for like 10 million now. It's nuts. That place is hot right now. We could have bought one, bro. Who? I know. We should have. Stupid. Well, it's funny because you said about the Florida thing. I think it was like if your family from Louisiana goes to Florida for summer vacation, if you went to Pensacola, you guys were well off.

1:42:09But if you went to Destin, oh, shit. You were damn royalty, bro. Might as well just - Yeah. I don't know. I didn't know people that went to Dustin. Yeah. Your stepdad must have owned a Subway or something. Yeah. Yeah. We had a girl in Covington. Your stepdad owned a Subway, and they'd always go to Dustin. Yeah. Stepdad that owned a K &B or whatever. Those motherfuckers. Dude, I got a blowjob from Jared from Subway's sister one time in the corner. Shut the fuck up. Was it five? Huh? Was it five? Were you like eight? I mean, I was - No, I would say I was probably about five. No, because he's - Oh.

1:42:40He's a pedo, you know? I mean, I had a pretty small wiener at the time, but I was young, you know? I had a four-inch round on me. They discontinued it. Yeah. Five-dollar foot long? Remember that bread? They used to have that four-inch round, bro. They got rid of that. Somebody's always trying new things and getting rid of them. Oh, yeah. Was that before the controversy with her brother? That was, let me see, 2002.

1:43:122002? That was way before the controversy. 2002 to 2006, somewhere in there. That's like right when Jared first started being Jared. Was it fire? I wouldn't say all that. I don't know much of it. It was in the quarters late. It was indoors. It was just something to do? Yeah. Was it toasted? It was a crazy... No. It was toasted. Did you get a drink and chips with it? That would have been crazy, bro. I got a drink of chips. Some Miss Vicky's.

1:43:47That's a Subway hack. You got to buy a bag of salt and vinegar Miss Vicky's and put it on the sandwich. That's the hack. I never done that. Get a little crunch in there. I don't think if I got a good hack. I got nothing, man. I got nothing. I can't believe you got blown by Jared's sister. That's insane. Sorry to tell you all that, too. I just know. That's crazy. I forget about it. And then I'm in New Orleans. Oh, dude. Dude, one time I went and saw... Fly like paper, get high like... Oh, M-O-M-I-A? Yeah, I went and saw her at... She blew you too? No. No, it would have probably been neat, but I saw the guy from Step Brothers there at the concert.

1:44:27John C. Reilly? Yeah. No, huh? It was like 4 a.m. she finally went on. That's crazy. That was cool. House of Blues or some shoot? 4 a.m. It was over on a warehouse district. No, in a Frenchman. Okay. I'm trying to think of another good show. Oh, the first show I ever went to was at Rendon Inn. I don't know if you guys remember. There was an old restaurant they used to have. And Marilyn Manson played. Damn. The 90s? Yeah. Late 90s? Yeah. And we went to there, dude, and it was crazy. The craziest New Orleans venue was like, I think it was called The Warehouse. Yeah. And all the dads loved talking about The Warehouse.

1:45:00They saw The Beatles and David Bowie and all this crazy shit. But that place goes down. Oh, yeah. My friend did a documentary on it. It's too old for us. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. I think, what's his name? played the Riders on the Storm. Jim Morrison. I think he played his last show there, they said. Wow. That's pretty crazy. My friend Jesse Williamson did a documentary called The Warehouse. Yeah, they had a lot of artists go through there. That was like the spot back in the day. If you were - Where was that? Teenager in the 70s? It was a little outside. Like by River Road where Uptown becomes Jefferson.

1:45:29Oh, okay. That's where I think it was. Is that right? I think so. It might have been more into the Uptown area. How's that Nick treating you? It's pretty good. You like the flavor? They're hit and miss, bro. They're hit and miss. Sometimes you don't know of vapes if you're buying them, if they're getting them, if they're remaking them bitches in the back. Who-legged and shit? Who-legged? That's why. You don't smell like a dude. You'll just be like, it's just like the guy's breath at the counter. You're like, this motherfucker just made it. Australia was tough with the vapes. Oh, yeah. The first time we went, no, five years ago when we went, they only had 1 % nicotine.

1:46:03That was kind of a bitch. Really? Yeah, and then this last time. I knew that five. All the ones that we bought were all these crazy flavors, and we're, like, coughing up all this shit. I'm like, bro, these vapes are not okay. That's why I like these. They're reliable. This is super light. I don't actually feel, like, out of commission or nothing. Like, too heavy. The early Esco bars, bro, was too much. I was doing those on road one time. You're like, you get sick, bro. Oh, I was falling apart. I couldn't sleep, bro. I couldn't look at my mother. Yeah, I was on Chapitula. Yeah, this is a warehouse on Chapitula, so that's where it was.

1:46:33But, yeah, that's my buddy Jesse made this documentary. It's so crazy you said that place. Yeah, where did you guys go watch some type of music? Like, was there someplace, a venue that you guys went to when you were young? What was your first show you went to? You did that way more than I did. I mean, the first show I ever went to was when I was nine. My parents bought me NSYNC tickets. That was the first. It was like when I was a kid. Man, you've changed. I've changed. As far as like - My first one was Britney Spears. Really? Oh, my God, bro. Look at that. I think she's a Louisiana local. Y 'all changed, bro.

1:46:58Yeah, I know. I'm going to say 100%. Y 'all changed. My parents thought they snapped by getting me tickets to Britney. me and my dad went it was weird you and senior went to Britney Spears yeah brother if you knew his dad you'd be like what the fuck I was like 8 years old you probably hated every second of that and they did snap I did go to shows when I was a teenager being in bands and stuff I lived in Fat City so they had Cypress Hall right down the street from the police station on Hestmer they had the Lions Home they used to do shows at by the Burger King on the Vision and Metairie They had a few, New Orleans was good with the all ages stuff.

1:47:36They had like places for teenagers to go. Me and my friends' bands would put on shows and play. And, you know, a hundred kids would show up just to have something to do. And then they started, after Katrina, a lot of those places closed down. And then it became like, you know, mostly bars and House of Blues. But there was a lot of, I was very involved in the music scene when I was younger down here. The hot, well, yeah, when the hot boys were running around, there was so much going on, bro. New Orleans has always been a fun place, dude. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was more on the North Shore around that time.

1:48:05That's when me and you didn't really speak. Yeah. It was throughout all the high school. I mean, he and I, we didn't hate each other or anything. We were just growing up separately at that point. Yeah, yeah. They had a band from the North Shore, Eight Candles or something? They had one that got really big. 12 Stones, yeah. That's it. The dude used to, like, babysit Kyle or some shit, the singer or whatever. Something like that, right? You grew up next door to that guy from 12 Stones, the singer? Yeah, nice guy. I went to high school. What's his name? Paul McCoy. Let's look him up. Bro, I heard a story about that guy that, you know, he's on that song, the Evanescence song.

1:48:39Yeah. Wake me up. That song. Wake me up. I heard that they offered him a piece of the song, royalties, or like just flat out 10 grand, and he took the 10 grand. Wow. 60 grand? Still, that song's made way more than 60 grand. But he bought a Lexus, bro. He bought a Lexus. That's the thing, bro. He bought a PT Cruiser. Dude, my boy Gabe Hall. See if you can look up Gabe Hall Cemetery on YouTube. It's Gabe Hall Cemetery Rapper.

1:49:11He's still rapping now or is this some old stuff? This is some old shit, bro. Cemetery Rapper. Oh, dude, you're going to have to go deep for this. Do you ever chill in the cemeteries from Louisiana? No. No. Is that more of like a New Orleans thing? I think it is, bro. Sometime at Halloween, people would go do stuff over there. In our town, people would dig one up every now and then. Really? Yeah, this is him right here, bro. My boy Curly Q, he used to make these videos, bro. Oh, let's go. This is the real shit. You love this.

1:49:46Wow.

1:49:52This is my doll right here. This is the kind of shit that makes me want to fucking lay on my back with no shirt on, bro. Oh, let's go. With a misfit shirt.

1:50:08Wow.

1:50:17You just sat on that mausoleum like nobody's business. He's sitting on somebody's chest. I want his confidence. You know what I'm saying?

1:50:29It's inspiring. The art movement's fucking right.

1:50:41They're coming aboard with the fucking dog. Oh, he going crazy. What the fuck? Where is this? Do you know? He all on people's graves, bro. He's going crazy. That's Norse. That's Norse. Louisiana, bro. How you know this dude? Why are Louisiana people so not self-aware with that dog at all? That's what I'm saying. I wish I had this confidence. Oh, me too, bro. Look how he did. Pull up the second one. He's got another one where he's on the front porch. He should be right next to it. Look at him, bro. This is hard. Yeah, he fucking goes hard with it. Right there next to a game hall. How you know dude?

1:51:11Grew up with him, man. Oh, no shit. So you knew this dude? Oh, yeah. He had a trap house. Fuck him, right.

1:51:22Let's go, bro

1:51:27Every white person I know in Louisiana Smokes cigarettes 100 % bro They'll smoke them through their nose If their mouth is missing They don't give a fuck, bro If your mouth's missing People fucking smoke them through their nose But dude, the best is His girlfriend's filming this And she keeps stepping on briars in the grass And yelling at him Nuh-uh Stepping on what? Like little briars that are in the grass, little sticks. Anyway, shout out to my boy Gay, man. That shit was funny. Shout out Curly Q. I never thought about that, but it's crazy to see the things that people do to put their creativity out there.

1:51:58I love it. Everybody's got something, man. That's some Louisiana shit, bro. You're not going to see that in any other state. That's some Louisiana shit. You ain't. He's the best, man. Yeah, it's just a different kind of swag right there, bro. Yeah, Gabe's a G. Was there anything else in the news we wanted to look at? I can't remember if anything else happened. Have you ever seen the video of them testing the babes in China? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but them Chinamen, bro, they got a different type of longs, bro. Oh, yeah. Ooh. Okay. Yeah. Good thing I still smoke. Somebody got to do it.

1:52:35I'm glad I still smoke Juul Pods. Fuck. That's an Elfar factor. I'll be honored to share their fucking DNA, brother. I don't care. They hard working, bro. Yeah. Ooh, they hitting them a little too hard, though. That dude. That guy's going for it. This little dude breastfeeding, bro. Bro. He like a damn hummingbird. Why did I say exposed on it? Like, this is something bad. Because they can't be doing that shit, bro. What are you talking about, man? This is fucking breastfeeding in Laplace, homie. Yeah. Ain't nothing, bro. Yeah, bro. Suicide boys, man. I'm so excited, bro. I'm so excited just to see.

1:53:11And I think you guys are just such a place of inspiration for people. you know even just talking with you guys today to see you create your own world you know and it doesn't have to be something that mainstream accepts or even sometimes even sees whether they do see it or not if you know but they don't claim to it's the same thing with podcasting kind of like they rarely ever reference podcast it's like but that's because they're not involved in it it's not their shit and that's okay yeah um but you guys just have such a loyal fan base what are your fans like do you think man because that's that's one of the things to that's so intriguing about you guys to me is y 'all's fans are it's just different man we've actually um we've developed relationships with some of our biggest ones and actually brought them in the fold to like help us out yeah certain stuff i mean dude when they when they tell you when they're like dude you saved my life you did this you did that i mean it's hard to hear a hundred percent but the process yeah it wasn't it wasn't my intention but at the same time and this is this might be more than like a spiritual recovery tip ever since getting sober um i feel like i have this responsibility

1:54:28to let these people know that have seen us at our worst know that because i i never thought there was a way out i really didn't i was like i'm fucked this is it this is just what it is but to let them know that there is a way out and if if yeah there's hope uh don't ever give up like if me and him can do it bro we can get drugs delivered on speed dial in the mailbox but if me and him can do it, there's hope for them too. And we used to, when we could, after every show, we would take Tom out and meet with all the fans afterwards. We never like charging them for meet and greets and stuff like that.

1:55:08Like, oh, someone got more money than this person, so they get to meet us. I know. We didn't really like that. But now, unfortunately, it's gotten too big to where we can't do that. It's harder sometimes. It's true. The venues won't let you stay. Those are the things that happen. And we try to meet in the lobby of the shows. But how do you look at it? We've been doing this for a long time. And when we're on tour, bro, it's not like. It's work, dude. It's hard. You got to be on point every night. Any little thing you can do, if you smoke a blunt afterwards, it could fuck up your throat. There's a lot of stuff that you got to keep in mind.

1:55:40And sometimes, dude, not every show is good. And not every day on tour is fun. There's times where we might be going through it. And we have to take some time for ourselves. And sorry. like I know it sucks that we can't meet you this particular night but you know I need to like kind of uh decompress a little bit so yeah you got to make sure the show's good for the next night I mean that's the most important thing it's the most true touring is hard it's hectic um oh yeah and yeah you people don't realize you want to be as good as you can be for every show you just did you know you know but now we do we we love and and care about them um and even if some of them are still using you there's no no but not at all because you know why we get it right I get it, bro.

1:56:21I get it, dog. And a lot of people can party and they can do it well. I tell them that. Whenever I talk to everybody at the end of the night, I feel like it's important to say that. You know what I'm saying? If none of this applies to you, keep doing what you're doing. Fuck, if you can have a good time and do it. Right, my hat's off to you, bro. Yeah, you win. Yeah, you got it, dog. You got it. But, you know, I don't know. we've that speech that started at the end real quick that started from me it was we just got back to doing shows we were at Lollapalooza right after COVID um I was feeling all self-pity and feeling bad for myself and all this so I I was I was giving this sappy like poor pity me at the end of the at the end of the show that we did at Lollapalooza but it just somehow it turned into something else.

1:57:17A personal speech. Yeah, into what it is. I mean, dude, one of the guys that works for us, he helps us run our social media accounts, and he works with us on tour doing merch. We met this kid as a fan. It's our boy, Six. Yeah. We met him as a fan because he created the at G59 Records Twitter. And this was so early that Scott and I hadn't even gotten around to making our own fucking Twitter yet. We had fans. Yeah. We had like a few thousand fans, whatever. But he was super in tune with underground music. and he knew about us and loved us, and we messaged him being like, yo, can we have that account?

1:57:49It's our name. He's like, yeah, I was just making it so nobody else would. You can have it. We're like, okay, cool. And then a few months later, we're actually going to do a little Texas tour doing Houston, Dallas, a few shows. And he's there? And he's in Dallas. And he was like, we're like, dude, come meet up with us, whatever. He also could get us drugs, some Percocet, some Xanax, some weed, whatever. And we met him, and we realized we like this kid. And we're like, you know what? You took the initiative. It's yours. and that's how he became the guy who like runs our social media is through that yeah and that was you know back in 2014 2015 yeah and like to answer your question that was a fan who is now part of our team yeah i lived with him for two years like he's like a family member oh damn yeah yeah man well that's how i met nick one of our early producers uh he emailed and just said hey man i like the podcast and and i think i can help you know that's how there's this kid named aid and he showed up at a show in Buffalo, right?

1:58:41And shook my hand in the parking lot. Yeah. And, um, he's like, Hey, I can be your photographer tonight. And I was like, all right, we have a photographer. Yeah. Come on in, bro. So fast forward, the show starts. I'm out there an hour later. I see this dude just walking up by the side of the stage with his cell phone. Let's go. So the whole time, bro he got fucking just he's like laying on his back and shit on the floor just unbelievable dude i respect the initiative he finessed me so much man but fast forward two years later he's at the show with his family he's got cameras now and he's a real photographer no shit oh yeah and so it's just like um hey at least he was fucking grinding with what he had you know 100 brian he just kind of caught you at the right time i was walking in coming up the little tour bus and it was just It's like, you know, hey, what's up, man?

1:59:33I can be your photographer. And you kind of respect, you know, sometimes things got to catch you in the right moment. But yeah, somebody that can see your Twitter and see that you have a capability before you can even see it sometimes. It's crazy, man. The equipment doesn't give you drive or talent. Dude, all of our videos were iPhone. Shot with an iPhone and I just edited it on Final Cut. He was using GarageBand to make the beats, you know. A free program that comes with Mac. I downloaded Photoshop. Photoshop, I illegally pirated Photoshop and cracked it. And the only languages available for Photoshop were Spanish and Hebrew.

2:00:06And I chose Spanish because I took Spanish in high school. So I learned Photoshop all in Spanish, just like figuring it the fuck out. So I didn't shell out all this money. I learned it myself because if you have the drive, you have the talent, the equipment does not matter. We got gold and platinum records that were done on that free platform that comes when you buy a Mac. That's the whole reason I bought it was because it was free. It's one of our biggest songs of royalty free samples. Yeah. Anybody has access to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It really is, man. It's inspiring, dude. I feel so lucky to have gotten to do this today, man.

2:00:40I really do. I'm glad that we've, you know, we met. I remember when you showed up at the, I hope, I hope I'm not. Yeah. You're pretty open. Yeah. Oh yeah. It was cool. And when you showed up and I, you know, I was, I know how that is. And I didn't. You were stoked. I didn't want to go up to you. You know what I'm saying? Because I know what it's like to be in the meeting and like just kind of sacred. Not be anonymous. I saw him. I was like, this guy's not doing well.

2:01:06We lucky to have this dude with us. That's so funny. So we didn't talk that night. And then when I left, I sent him a message on Instagram. He called me. He's like, bro, you know, he's in my fucking meeting. He was stoked. I was stoked, too, that he met you. Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah, I think I met Cheddar first. Did you? Yeah. I think I did. I don't remember how, but he's just been such a great guy to get to know, man. And, yeah, dude, it's inspiring, man. I'm glad, you know, you keep people alive, and I know you have, you know, guys that you support in those rooms. It ain't me, bro. I wish I could take the credit.

2:01:38Yeah. You know what I'm saying. It ain't me. Yeah. I'm glad we got a higher power that's trying to help. Yeah. That's helping us help ourselves. Yeah. From flooring to ceiling, bro. Mm-hmm. from Florence to who knows what heights, man. Thank you guys so much just for the inspiration, man. I think to so many young artists and people that if you're sitting somewhere thinking, can I do this or how do I do this? I mean, this, you know, it's unreal. Just do it. Yeah. That's literally it. Just fucking do it. That's the advice I always give is, you know, how did you, what did you do to get here and whatever persistence, consistency, fucking drive, dude.

2:02:16And just taking that first step is the biggest step. because you know what? You may think you want to be a fucking rapper or whatever, but you might actually go to do it and realize, I don't want to do this. This sucks. And you're not going to know unless you take that first step. Right. And then I'll lead you to the next thing. Exactly. You might miss the next thing because you don't go to the first thing. Exactly. And it's all timing. It's all a chess game. Just don't overthink it. Just do the damn thing, and everything will start to fall in place at some point if it's supposed to. Yeah. The new album?

2:02:44New World Depression. New World Depression. June 14th, baby. Drag them to the river. I'm excited. Put your body in, check y 'all Fuck yeah What was that song? I can't Put your rope around the neck He's a badass That's your other boy Oh, you want some Wow, man, who? UNLV I'm from UNLV, yeah, I couldn't think of it Where were they from? Here, they're from Uptown, I think Were they from here? Yeah, they're from New Orleans, for sure We sampled them on the album It was Uptown Driving to the River It was Uptown, Living Violently Y 'all did? Yeah, I can't wait You're gonna love it Yeah Dude, that's exciting, man Ruby Scrimm, thank you guys so much, man.

2:03:22Best of luck on tour. And shout out Tyrell Shaw for this beautiful art, man, for letting us sit in the back here. That might be Louis Armstrong, man. I don't know. It's a saxophone, so it might not be, but it's a jazz player. Either way. Either way. He's got a studio right over here on, I think this is Child Petula. Carondelet. On Carondelet, yeah. So here we are. Suicide Boys. Thanks. Oh, yeah. Gang. Thanks, sir.

2:03:49I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna take... a little