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38:57Yeah, for sure. Like with social media especially and just filming your own content or behind the scenes or whatever, you make your own shit now. It's not like you need to have some big producer help you do it. Like I've said before, I don't think the word outlaw is what it used to be. I think it's kind of doing what you're talking about, just going out and doing everything your own way, paving your own road and just kind of being a trailblazer pretty much. I think that ain't going to be considered as being an outlaw because it's not the 80s anymore. We can't get away with a whole lot of shit these days, man.

39:33Everybody's a narc. Dude, man. Dude, remember when they had fucking narcs and shit, dude? dude first of all the shittiest job you could get in high school was being a fucking narc dude that's weird bro they gave you a little card it was like congratulations thank you you're a narc yeah yeah and it said it on the car and i was like that's the one thing you can't put on the car dude and then that dude would like he would try to arrest people at a party or something people would get the fuck away from me school's out bitch and then it would take the cops like three weeks to have a meeting with the kid or whatever and it's just the whole system oh man that's why yeah i wish uh i could go back you think about like the motley crew days like the 80s bro did you didn't did you live through the 80s i was alive in them but yeah i was small yeah yeah you were younger but yeah i mean you talk to guys like um like i remember my first concert i went to was marilyn manson right and this dude took us and Yeah, and he was like a, I guess he was like a pedophile or whatever.

40:35We didn't know he was, right? So he was just a guy we knew who was also a pedophile, but we didn't know that part. But anyway, he took us over. He's like, I can get y 'all tickets to Marilyn Manson. We just started listening to him, dude. And I think we were probably about 14. And this dude dropped us off there. And we were the only people underage that were in there. I think it was probably an 18 show. and like Manson like cut open Twiggy Ramirez or like one of his, one of the other band members with a bottle. Somebody cut, one of the band members cut themselves open or cut another one open with a bottle on stage.

41:12He was like bleeding everywhere. The ambulance had to come. I bet y 'all were like, holy shit. It was awesome. Dude, we're in the bathroom peeing and somebody goes, what are these kids doing in here? Oh my God. And then somebody else from another stall goes, don't worry, somebody will f***. That's what somebody said, dude. The first red flag should have been this dude just getting y 'all Maryland matching tickets. Oh my God. Richard Slangenstein was his name. Did he go in with y 'all? No, no, no, no. He went to gamble. Pull him up. Richard Slangenstein. Pull him up. He was just a real... He was a known pedophile.

41:51Oh, yeah. He hadn't won awards or whatever, but he was... yeah he was in the trenches or whatever is that him no maybe there's more than one of him that guy right there with the the father right there we can't show the wrong one that guy um oh that's yeah that looks like oh that's a yeah that's a liberal oh man that's all that is dude yeah that guy's a bookie hold on that one guy's a bookie go back yeah that guy's just a book you up one no right right there yeah that guy's just taking wagers on the jets dude that's yeah we have to take some of this out because we just accused a lot of guys being pedophiles but no old slangenstein he wasn't bad he was he was what he was slangenstein that's what they called him um but yeah that was my first show what was yours man uh first show you really remember yeah i mean so my mom played uh she do like old opry houses and stuff like that so she was a singer Yeah, she sang and just played with a bunch of old, drunk, honky-tonk dudes, right?

43:01I'd be that little shithead kid running up and down the hall, throwing popcorn at people. I was around music growing up, but I think my first actual concert was Stoney LaRue. You ever heard of Stoney LaRue? Bring him up. He's a man or woman? Dude. He's Red Dirt King, man, Oklahoma cat. There he is. and you need to get into his music man he's phenomenal and it was at the Waco Fairgrounds my cousins were going to Baylor I think I was like 6th or 7th grade maybe and these college girls come up to me like hey what's going on you know and my cousin her friend steps in she's like hey babe here's your beer and like just trying to deter them or whatever and I take this beer and I hammer it and they're like alright whatever she's like what the fuck are you doing We're supposed to drink that beer.

43:54I'm like, so we'll get back to the hotel that night when mom beats my ass. It's all good. Oh, yeah. But I'll never forget it. Yeah. Texas Moon. Stoney LaRue. Yeah.

44:06And is he still alive? Mm-hmm. Oh, good. Yeah, he's got some bangers. That warms my heart, dude. I just saw Struggle Jennings play. We were playing in the same town. Oh, really? Pretty cool, man. I haven't met the show yet. Him and, yeah, because he was a jelly roller friend. and Yellow Wolf, that whole gang, remember, that was really that white sort of, yeah, that Slimerican, that sort of fucking missing person. I like Wolf, man. Oh, yeah. All of that, Yellow Wolf, Jelly Roll. I used to listen to Pop the Trunk before football games, man, and just like, I don't know if there is a better anthem, dude.

44:49Dude, it's so good. Yeah, dude, they even had Jelly Roll out there, yellow wolf we even saw jelly wolf was out there we're like who the fuck is that it's just some it's just some dude in icp man it's just it was jelly wolf yeah it was just it was a saint bernard with a couple face tattoos on him oh man driving a cyber truck well we saw a struggle man it was awesome to go see him he puts on a great show where was it i think i feel like it was in montana somewhere but we got to go meet him backstage after and with his crew he's got a great group see who's performing with him real quick who's out there on the road with the I mean that's another ally right there I mean with Struggle Jennings yeah he's been out there doing it man he's been out there doing it yeah yeah and you know there's something also there's something nice about when you have a when you're not as mainstream yeah that there's a real relationship between you and your fans.

45:51Yeah, for sure. Caitlin Curtis and Brianna Harness. Or Brianna Harness. I don't know if that's the newest tour or not. Is that Tom McDonald? Oh, yeah, it might be. Is he the rapper? They had a song together, I think. Yeah, he's cool. Oh, Tommy Vex, dude? It's Tommy Vex. Wow, bro, that's crazy. I know him. I know him. That's just crazy. Well, sometimes it's amazing who you see on Google of who you know.

46:27Rock music. Yeah, he's a rock dog right there. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's something nice about when something is still grassroots. Yeah, for sure. That you feel this weird thing. It's like your thing. I feel like it gives the fans more of a connection that he's one of us type shit you go see him and they're like man he's one of us dude he's the same we accept you one of us the Wolf of Wall Street you never see that? and what he's in a wheelchair what happened? I don't know they just were talking about the little people strapping them to the board and sliding them down at the pens. Different times, dude.

47:16That would have been early 90s, late 80s. Yeah. Oh, dude, if I was backed in, I would have definitely been doing, I'm not going to say it out loud, I'll spell it real quick in case there's any kids listening to the cars anywhere, M-U-R-D-E-R-S. And that's what I would have been doing. But now they catch you. You can't even do no good crime anymore. That's the thing, we've taken a lot of fun out of it. You can't be a train robber. The horse will ratchet you out now. And it's only for like a little bit, like five years at a time, ten years at a time until it blows up. And it's like, ah, man, you missed that.

47:52Like what do you mean? I mean just like train robbing or like robbing shit or whatever or partying really fucking hard in the 80s and then just slowing down. People part. I just – I wonder who partied the hard. We had Tommy Lee on one time. He's the fucking greatest dude. I'm a big Molly Crue guy, so. Bro, they were so good. Girls, girls, girls. Oh, yeah. Girls, girls, girls. God, dude, I can't even imagine. And he was good looking. Yeah. That was the deal. Like, they had everything, bro. Imagine being famous and then also being good looking. Like, what a lucky dog. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

48:31I think Tommy was, he was really young too, right? Whenever all that was going on. yeah imagine having all that all that going on at 21 20 bro I wouldn't be alive I would not be alive there's no way I wouldn't be alive like Columbia people from Columbia or whatever the ambassador they're always sending me these come down to Columbia we'd love to have you down here I guess y 'all don't want me there I'm like dude they're like we'll give you five free tickets to Columbia I'm like dude I will fucking if they do holler at me I'll go with you I will die down there bro they said it's actually really nice to go to i'm sure it is but i think it's yeah i just think they want to do ransoms or whatever that's the thing so they try to get you down there and they want to do ransoms yeah i would not make it down there oh dude if i even grew up in columbia i would get an eight ball for like my seventh birthday and i would it would be lights tell bro.

49:30We're mainlining this shit. It's my birthday. What's the town in Texas? We got some shows coming up in Texas. We're going to Benton. Benton, Texas? Yeah. We're going to Texas A &M over there. Nice. Where are we at in College Station? Not sure. There's a new casino in Benton. Oh shit. Yeah. Is it? Oh, Belton. Sorry. Belton. Yeah, yeah. Belton. They keep changing the name of it. Belton's out there by Waco. Yeah, we're going over to Belton. Waco is where so when Parker was on he told you this story about that strip club or whatever we went to and yeah that's right outside of Waco is it a good spot?

50:07no it's the shittiest strip club in the world is that the best one you've ever been to you think? strip club? yeah absolutely no but it needed to be redecorated I guess and so I just I gave it to him but who the fuck is even decorating a strip club? there were just mirrors everywhere and I was like man fuck one of these mirrors bro dude i found i found the pictures but he was talking about like us kicking holes in the drywall and shit and so somebody had found them and sent them to me and i was like oh fuck man and it's just uh it's kind of like passed out next to them like drywall everywhere wow what we had some good times i've been to some i'm trying to think of one Oh, in Shreveport, Louisiana, they had a strip club.

50:56And they had a woman in there just built like a damn cenotaur or whatever. Is that the one? Or minotaur. Pull up cenotaur or minotaur. One of them's on Test 200, I think. I don't remember which one it is, but one of them. Which one is that? Centaur, yeah. Centaur. This lady was centaured up. She was definitely. It's probably Larry Flint, Santa Fe, was in Shreveport. Larry Flans is pretty good this was not that good this was

51:31this lady looked like a damn off duty pony she just like a Monday night and she was on the tallest heels ever she was trying to make herself look taller them heels bro them bitches were they had the little sticker on them on the top of a ladder do not step right here that was all them bitches dude oh man she was in them god it was so nerve wracking seeing her up there you spent a lot of time yeah Louisiana over the years I have I used to go to comedy clubs there you know what's kind of sad is you go to clubs and over the years they close down yeah is that the same with music yeah I mean kind of the same I mean there's like businesses really don't last a whole lot like a long time over there for some reason I don't know why I mean it's kind of everywhere in Louisiana Indiana, East Texas, like, you know, unless they're established or a big chain, they just, they don't last for some reason.

52:29I don't know what it is. That's a good point, man. Yeah. I always wanted to go to Longview. I never got there. See, that's every time I went to like the mall and somewhere nice to eat or whatever, we'd have to go to Longview to go. So. Yeah. I grew up. How far did you grow up from Shreveport? Like four hours. Yeah. Okay. So you're like middle of them. Yeah. I'm a little, I'm like, I'm north of New Orleans about one hour. Okay. So our town's pretty normal. about 4 ,000 about the same size as your town kind of a perfect size for a town dude I love it dude there was nothing better dude cause you were just there was like there was enough there was just enough people to make things interesting yeah like you knew everybody but the select few you didn't know you kind of made up your own stories it was kind of like kind of mysterious like I wonder what they do why don't they come to church yeah oh yeah Yeah, we had a dude that had a, they bought him a bike and he was, he might've been mentally disabled or something, but he might not have been right.

53:29We don't know him. And, but his bike had a baby seat on the back of it. So there was this story that like he had a kid that had like gone missing or whatever. And he would always ride in the rent. It was like a sad man whose wife had left him after the baby had been missing or whatever. And that's what people thought for years. And it was like, people would like pray for him when he drove by or whatever. and um or give him milk money all kind of shit leave pies in his yard and stuff and then years later we found out he's just a mentally handicapped guy and somebody gotten him a um a used bike that had a baby seat on it off the side he just didn't know how to take it off yeah and we're like oh brother we fucking gave that dude a lot of dessert we gave him a lot of the prayers the prayers were used though you know the prayers that was good man but it was so sad he would always be like in the distance like looking at us like when we got off the school bus i think he just wanted yeah i think he just wanted buddies you know oh man dude that's good but it's so crazy just because of that story we didn't know we thought he was this sad so you come up with all these different you know scenarios and stories and shit and then it's kind of like it just becomes like a big fable like it's like yeah oh man but you have a town that's just big enough to support that kind where there's like just enough room for rumors to happen.

54:49Oh, 100%. You can't get over like the gossip, all of the drama, all the shit like that. And I remember when I was a kid, you would hear like an older kid's name. Like he was like two years older, three or four years older. And you're like, oh, that's the toughest guy in the whole world. Yeah, don't mess with him, dude. Yeah. He's so cool. That was crazy, dude. That was fun being young. It was, man. That shit was the best. Yeah, you said your parents were kind of strict growing up. No. And were they two your siblings as well or just you? No, just me, honestly, man. I think you were just a bad kid.

55:22I was kind of a little shit there growing up, man. I love that. He's like, you know, it was kind of strict on me. I mean, but like, I mean, I was always well-mannered, you know. I mean. Are you one of the most likable guys? You were by far one of the guys anywhere. I have never heard anyone say anything uncomplimentary. about Co-Wetzel. Except your parents, I guess. Yeah, except for Gary Dale just whooping the shit out of me. But no, I mean, I guess as a little kid, I was kind of a turd because I was the only kid until I was eight years old, so I didn't know no better. And then Presley came up and my younger sister Zoe.

56:06Why'd they wait eight years, do you think? Any word on that? I don't know, man. I have no idea. That's rare, kind of. Well, yeah, whenever it happened, and I was like, fuck, bro. Yeah, because, yeah, they had enough. Yeah, for sure. But, yeah, I don't know. They were super strict on me, and then my middle sister, I mean, not really, and then Zoe Kaye, they just let her run ragged, bro. Is she all right? Oh, she's a sweetheart. She's an angel, man. Married or not? Not married. Super smart. Yeah, she's almost done with college. Oh, God, I got to get a wife. I think you're going to be one of the first Wetzels to graduate college.

56:42So shout out ZK. Let's get a picture of her up. Zoe? Yeah, Zoe K. Yeah. Zoe K. Wetzel. Zoe K. Wetzel, yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah, she's graduating. Yeah, man. I think she's got like a couple semesters left. Oh, hell yeah.

57:04Zoe K. right there. Where's she graduating from? So she went to Texas Tech. she got her associates in Texas Tech at Texas Tech and then oh yeah Red Raider country that's Cliff Kingsbury country over there and Mahomes country isn't it Mahomes you bet yeah and so now she's just finished on finishing on nursing school so she's gonna be a nurse no way she wants to be a nurse practitioner and so I was like no it's like fuck it you know do the whole thing you know might as well but yeah be it be a fucking yeah be the Carmelo Anthony in nurses you You know what I'm saying? Be like a... Go be a doctor.

57:42Who gives a shit? Yeah, be the best one. Yeah, try to get some scripts. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Too much of this. Yeah, I'm sick of buying this shit that's been stepped on. Some of these shady ass motherfuckers. Oh, for sure, dude. I want that governmental stuff, baby. I'm tired of buying shit behind McDonald's. Come on. Yeah, my sister's a nurse. I just asked her. She's like, what do you want for Christmas? I said, I want some Toradol shots. if my back gets bad on the road I can just use them even if I'm not hurting whenever I'm getting out of here I'm like give me some of that put it in oh yeah give me all the goods that's how I'll do it yeah I gotta get a wife man next year that's one of my goals 2020 wife that's what I'm calling it wife 2025 I'm in nice does Blue Chew work?

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1:00:05But obviously, you know, them being parents, they were like, I remember whenever I was in, I got kicked out of school at Tarleton State. Oh, yeah. And so, you know, and they like to come in and check on me like once a year or whatever. Who do your parents? Yeah, my parents. And so I'm living basically in a garage, on a couch in a garage at one of my buddies' house. And they, like, come in, and it's like—and I was sick for some reason. I had, like, the flu or something. But I didn't have no money to go get no meds or anything, so they come up, take care of me, and they're like, oh, we're coming up.

1:00:41And they walk in this garage, and there's, like, the cats running around and shit. I'm just kind of, like, laid up on the couch. They're like, uh-uh, we ain't doing this shit. Like, what is wrong with you, bro? I was like well I'm sick right now they're like well this is not going to happen anymore but I was too I was too proud to be like to ask them for money and shit you know cause I just I didn't want to go that route and so and you were out of school at that point I was out of school did they know you were out of school or no yeah they knew and this was kind of like now did you graduate or no you were just taking a break no no they kicked me out they said get the fuck out of here forced break yeah and so this is like two or probably three years probably 2014ish and we're traveling.

1:01:21We're not making great money, but we're making enough for me to pay rent on a couch in a garage. And so they were like, my dad, he's working construction. He's like, come back. You make pretty good money. A couple of years, you can be a superintendent. You'll run a crew like me. I'm like, ah, you know, that sounds great. But, you know, and I've got buddies that are out in the oil field, you know, making damn good money. And it's just, it was kind of a shitty, shitty time in my life. But I think that kind of that stuff right there is kind of what helped build me to what I am today. You know, it made me, you know, hard shelled, you know, kind of makes me appreciate everything that I've got going on now a little bit more.

1:02:01You know, having to go through those times. But, yeah, my parents, they were like, this is this is not cool. So you need to figure it out. Like if you're going to do it, you know, do it. So, man, they've been super supportive the entire time. So it's been great. do you have any songs that are like about your mother or dad or anything like that uh no surprisingly i don't i've got a shit ton of songs so i'll probably write one now they're gonna be watching like no we don't have a fucking song about us yeah you just never know because sometimes it's interesting where people find how they find it's kind of hard to write a song like you know like you see a lot of songs that are kind of love ballads you know for sure but it's hard to write one that um uh morgan has that one what's it like Oh, that's a banger.

1:02:46Oh, yeah, I thought you should know. Oh, yeah, that's a banger. And I think there's a lot of people out there that want to have a song like that. I think it also touched on a nerve. It's like there's not really that son to mother song out there. Or son to father song. There's some of those more probably. That's a hard song to write, though, you know? Yeah. I feel like those songs are hard to write. Oh, for sure. Yeah, that Morgan song is a banger. I mean, I've mentioned my parents in songs before, but I just haven't wrote a song about him. Yeah, maybe it'll happen. Look, things happen as they happen.

1:03:17Yeah, absolutely. But it's just, yeah, I never really thought that it's kind of tough to create. That's a tough one to kind of make. Yeah. I think that's why that one hit me so hard. I think a Morgan's just was because it did, yeah, you just don't hear it that much. Oh, it brings home for, I mean, pretty much everybody, you know. You guys toured together some? Yeah, we did AT &T with them this year, bro. That was awesome. How cool was that? That's what I told them. I was like, man, I appreciate you having me out. To any of the shows would have been great, but to play Cowboys Stadium, you know, Cowboys, my team, you know, rep Dallas.

1:03:47And so just dude, bro, I got out there and like, that's kind of what I was like. I couldn't even like comprehend what was going on the whole time. I'm just like staring around and looking, trying to take it all in, bro. It was like, what is going on, man? It was, it was insane. It was something I'll never forget. You know, I can't thank Morgan enough for having us. Yeah. It's so just to be able to do that, dude. Dude, that's so crazy to have that moment to go walk out there like that. Oh, man. It was just like you just kept – I've never even been on the field before. You just kept looking at people all the way up.

1:04:20You're like, oh, what? I was like, you know, I've been kicked out of the stadium a few times. We had to get a couple signatures to get me in over there. Dude, I'm in the back. They're like, what the fuck? Who let him back in here?

1:04:33Yeah, bro, that's so great. has Dears toured now I'm guessing it's probably expanded I know that you had an audience that was outside of Texas for sure I know you have a have had a strong grassroots audience for a long time and and even bigger than grassroots I don't mean to use those terms to sound like it isn't you know I'm saying yeah I'm not trying to like no no okay um but now have you found that you you're touring places that are outside of places you didn't think you would go before because that's when things are like wow this is kind of crazy yeah for sure and I mean we've been doing it for for a while you know outside of texas i think we got outside of texas probably 17 18 but i mean even now whenever we go to to new places that are sold out it's kind of like man this is crazy you know you kind of step back and like shit this is uh it's pretty wild but uh yeah it's i mean we just got done with europe we're over there the uk no way yeah that was all the shows were sold out.

1:05:25You'll go to Manchester, London? Manchester, London, Glasgow. Yeah. All of them. Glasgow? Leeds. Oh, yeah. Then we did Amsterdam. Then we did Germany. Bro. It was wild. Wow. Have you ever been in Europe before? We did an acoustic run over there back in like 2018. But we haven't been back since. And so a lot of the fans were like, we're fans of the older music, you know? like they dug on the new stuff but like they were singing everywhere it's all the old shit so i was like fuck yeah it was up wow it was a great time man that's so sick we got to get back in like the smaller rooms too so and you're going to australia soon too huh yeah we'll be there in march i think in march so it's so i've never been to australia i'm ready it's so great dude we rented bikes one day on the beach right you could just rent like these beach cruiser bikes or just like these motorized bikes and we rented some and they you can take them out on the beach and literally it's the most beautiful beach and nobody's out there and you're just ripping these bitches dude I just heard it's kind of like Texas honestly like Australia and Texas have like this thing together it's your biggest fall again really?

1:06:42nice hell yeah that's awesome shout out Australia bro there's nothing like Australia and the people and the women are and everybody's good over there. They're great, dude. I cannot wait, man. They're great and everybody's good over there. And when I was over there, we went and saw one night, we saw Matchbox 20 and Goo Goo Dolls at a show. We popped over there and checked that out for a little bit. We went to a Fred again show over there. DJ, he's a DJ. That was pretty hype. Were you doing shows over there? Yeah. Nice. Where all did you talk about? We go into everywhere except for Perth. We have to go back and go to Perth.

1:07:19I might go to Sydney and Perth if we're able to. Dude, you have to be on my friend Sean and Marley. Are you going to be in Sydney? Queensland. Queensland. What is Queensland? Is that the beach? We're hoping to get a couple more shows over there. So if we are, we need to get on that. Yeah. You need to go on my buddy Sean and Marley's show, dude. Let me know. Bring it up. Bring it up. Bring it up. Sean and Marley. Is it like a podcast? No, they do Sean and Marley. There they are right there. Sean and Marley. Oh, shit. Yes, fuck yeah, dude. My dogs, dude. You gotta go. And make a Texas dish with them.

1:08:01They're great. Yes. Hell yeah. Do some chicken fried steak with them, bro. Hell yeah. Yeah, dude. They are legends. Get down with Sean and Marley. I didn't know they were in Australia. They were on Hot Wings? No way. Bring it up. Welcome to the Hot Wings program. What? Cheers. Cheers.

1:08:28You and Marley look a little bit like, I look like Sean. We should do our own show like this. I look like Sean. Theo and Co. That guy's getting, oh. I call the fire department. Wow. Wow. Have you been on hot ones? Yeah, I was on there years ago. How was that? It's fun. But I didn't think it was that hot, to be honest with you. I mean, we're used to that shit, though. Yeah, dude. One of them, I'll say this. One of them, it's more like, it's not really a sauce. It's more like something you clean the bathroom with. You know what I'm saying? Hey, y 'all are fucking cheating right here. This is fucking, yeah.

1:09:06Well, I saw it for like tepateo and shit like that. I was like, what? We put that on eggs in the morning, you know? Yeah, some of it was easy. and in some of it you're like, oh, they're using this to take rust off of the tire well. You know what I'm saying? Like this shit is fucking next level, dude. What's like the hot, like what's an area of Texas that you think has the best food? You've been all over there.

1:09:32Either Austin, San Antonio's got some really good food, man. Mexican food, San Antonio for sure. Austin just has everything, bro. Like barbecue, Mexican food, obviously. Fort Worth man Fort Worth Is lights out El Paso's got really good food Yeah what's up with El Paso It always gets a weird rap I feel like It's kind of this mystery Man it's I think they want to keep it a mystery man Cause there's so much shit going on Cause it's right there next to Juarez Juarez is a no no You play Juarez? We haven't But I mean It's like They tell you not to To go over there Or whatever But I had a buddy He went over there Like a month ago Or two months ago And he was like Yeah we just walked across And went and ate and had a couple beers and came back over.

1:10:16I was like, dude, what? But yeah, man, El Paso, we record out there in Tornillo, just south of El Paso. Tornillo it's called? Tornillo, yeah. And it's a great time with food out there. Phenomenal. It's really good. Best Mexican food you'll probably ever eat. Outside of El Paso? Outside of El Paso, in El Paso. In El Paso. Yeah. If you're there, hit me up. I'll see you some rest. Yeah. What do you think about now with music kind of moving forward? Or what do you kind of look at? I mean, you guys are touring off of Nine Lives now. And then do you start to think about, what do you kind of think about?

1:10:53I know you have a Christmas album that's coming out. Yeah. We have it coming out here in a couple days, I guess. A couple days, I think, December 6th. Yeah, Friday. And then January, man, just getting back in the studio. I'm starting to write. We'll start writing tomorrow for that, actually. Stay here. And then January, man, just getting back in the studio, trying to do the same thing, I guess. Yeah, just that. We got a lot of festivals this year coming up. And then, I don't know, a couple surprises. Yeah? Yeah. We're excited about it, man. This year was wild, man. For us, it was insane. And this year went by so fucking quick.

1:11:33I know, huh? Like, dog. How is that? What is that about? I don't know. Maybe that's another part of getting older. But I just feel like it was New Year's Eve we're back at christmas again you know it was so fast dude i think people are living fast too because that covid or whatever i think people are like trying to live as much as they can yeah yeah maybe that's it i don't know but it was i just looked up and i was like because the tour went by tour went by i mean we were on the road for three months and it went by super quick you know and i was looking forward to europe and then europe went by quick and i was like holy shit so i don't know man uh just getting back out there putting out some more music trying to you know keep the fans happy it all happens so fast it does man it's kind of weird how even like you could be dreaming or hoping about something and it's like the most important thing in the world and then it comes it comes and it's gone comes and it's like oh man now what do i gotta look forward to you know it's weird it's just kind yeah like i'll i'm always pinning like my not necessarily my happiness but like i'll be pinning like a lot of my excitement on one day or one moment.

1:12:38I do that a lot. And there's such a buildup of it, but then once it's gone, it's just like it never even happened. It's like, damn, that was it. Yeah. Yeah, I feel the same shit, man. I'll get so fixated on some shit, you know? And then once it's there, try to relish it for as long as you can. But it goes by so quick. They got to get you on game day down there, man. I know it, man. That'd be a fun one. Did you do that? Is that with Pat? Yeah, I got to do it like a year ago. It was crazy. They called literally the night before, like 10 o 'clock, like, you want to come on tomorrow? And I was like, all right, dude.

1:13:11I wouldn't put me on. Dude, we were talking about that at lunch. Like, Pat is just like completely. Oh, that guy's unreal. Dude, he's insane. He's the most. That guy's unreal, dude. There's nobody like Pat McAfee, man. He's like the male Caitlin Clark of his job. Yeah, man. He is. Yeah, they should have you down there next year on that Red River rivalry. Yeah. Or the Texas versus A &M. A &M. Did you watch that the other night? It was great. That game, man. I think that was the, I think it was the first time in what, like 11 or 12 years that they played. And everybody was. People were stoked. Texas was on cloud 10, man.

1:13:51We were fired up. People were stoked, man. What a great place to be from. Yeah, for sure. Because Texas, I feel like if, say, if there's like people start to divide off into their own states, that's going to be a state a lot of people are going to want to go live in. For sure. well hell like everybody's starting to move down you know you got all these people from california and i mean it's kind of like nashville you know everybody's moving to nashville as well but um are you coming are you coming to texas i'm coming to look at a place there in austin nice man fuck you i need to get just i want to be closer to like a yeah i just i would like to have to be able to be in both places because i i find myself i i've had an apartment in los weeks I've been there.

1:14:35Whole year. It's a... Yeah, I think being able to bounce back and forth from here and there would be dope. Yeah. And you've been awesome, right? It's got everything, man. It's badass. It's fun. You can still get mugged a little. I like that. Still, yeah. You still got to hold on to your wallet. Oh, yeah. If there ain't no crime, the food ain't that good. You got to have crime to have food. It's too wide for me. Yeah, dude. If you don't have some good crime. Yeah, we're going to do Cam had asked me about doing the 12 Days of Christmas For that thing What were we supposed to do? Just read it? I was going to have you read it But I should have thought about it We could do it now We didn't even be able to record or no I don't know if I had to go to a studio or something I was just kind of overwhelmed I hit him up and I was like This is kind of last notice If you do one next year I'll be happy to do it We'll get together also I wanted to find a way to make it funny but I was just like I'm fucking burnt out that's what I told I was like man he was like what's kind of like the overall deal I was like just telling to be himself you know I just wanted you to read we got a you know Ben Burgess Ben Burgess oh yeah the songwriter we got Ben to do yeah and you know Ben bring him up bring him a picture of him Ben is he's his own person bro and he went in there and did his did his like Texas draw and shit on it oh dude he's a very famous songwriter isn't he he's a bad cat man he's like the greatest one isn't he yeah I love old Burgess wow Wow.

1:16:02I met him years ago with Charles Kelly, I think, at some event that they had. Josh Kelly years ago. Yeah, he's a bad dude, man. Yeah, he's the guy. He got in there and he read it like he was reading it to his grandchildren or some shit. Sounds good. He did? Yeah, it's cool. Well, if you guys need somebody next year, man, I was going to say otherwise, we could just record it right here. I just didn't, I think, know what to do. Yeah, no. All good. Yeah, what do you do? yeah with the Christmas album so what is it it's just like I heard some of the ones from last year I saw like you guys had a cool animation that was online like you in the back of a Santa sleigh and stuff it's just like just some like reimagined songs like we just basically like covering them up and just making them ours so and like chestnuts roasting on like a on a bottle of Fireball or something yeah fucking barbecue pit or some shit oh yeah we uh I don't know it kind of gives us something to do at the end of the year so we're not usually not in the studio so just kind of gives us reason to and it's you know it's something that people can go back to every single Christmas so I don't know do you when you start thinking about like what are things you feel like are missing from your own life do you feel oh is that a weird question I don't know I've been getting a lot of those today very intimate questions I don't know man I mean you just hit such a neat place in your career yeah for sure I don't think it's anything career-wise um i don't know it's just always go go go and uh i don't know you know i think not having the maybe the alone time or whatever it is you know just to kind of reset i was with bobby and them earlier and we were talking about it and that was kind of one of the things i don't is just i like i like being like i'm a loner you know and because i'm always surrounded around people and stuff but i like to have the time to myself just to kind of relax and reset and do all that shit so i don't know i don't know what it's missing life's good man life's good yeah and that's a good point too sometimes it doesn't have to be you know sometimes i'll i'll like i feel like i always need to have an answer for that question i didn't realize that till just now yeah and then i'm kind of setting myself up for failure in a little bit of a way because i'm always thinking that there's something missing yeah yeah that That could be a problem.

1:18:25But sometimes when life is as good as you think it is, maybe it's not. I don't know. It must be inspiring to see your career evolve, continue to evolve, right? And grow. Your fan base continue to grow. Because then you start thinking, well, what can I do? Not that you don't think that before, but you're like, okay, how can I challenge myself now? How can I – what else could I maybe do? I've got here. Where else could I go? Or what else could I do? yeah that's kind of interesting you know because you don't know what this looks like until you're till you're standing there you know well i'll find myself like getting into things that you know just that i probably would never have got into and be like well maybe that would be a cool cool did like say acting or something you know something like that i think that would be really cool to get into and bar ownership you got a new bar i know yeah we've been doing the bar deal and riot uh right room yeah yeah you need to come down to fort worth man yeah dude well whenever we're touring through there.

1:19:22I think if we don't go through Dallas, we'll have to make it happen. Yeah, for sure. And what kind of joint is it in there? They got billions or what is it? It's kind of like a honky tonk during the day with food and then by 9 o 'clock it turns into a club, man. It's like a Texas club, I guess. Like a cowboy club. Oh, yeah. I don't know how to explain it. We got bottles. There you go. Yeah. It's a ride. It's a good time. Gang, dude. That's your place? Yeah, bro. congratulations man we just opened up a second location we're about to in Houston hopefully getting it up by February see that's what I'm missing about party you can open up something like that like I'd have to open up a place where people kind of cry about how they feel every now and then that's what I say whenever I open it up I just want a place I can go fucking party and not have to worry about going to jail like nobody can kick me out of them motherfuckers except for you you end up texting yourself sometimes I need to kick myself out of there you just see me dragging myself out fucking riot room that's so cool dude just have your own bar everybody dreams of that people dream of that in their lives it's been a lot of fun you guys are opening up a new one down in Houston it'll open for February but it's almost finished up it's been going good, man.

1:20:48It's, you know, I never thought, I never thought that I'd have a bar or whatever, but got in with the right people and just kind of, I don't know, it's been cool. Yeah. Especially in Texas, especially in your space, you know. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we didn't, we had talked about putting in one here in Nashville and I was like, I'm not stepping on nobody's toes, you know, it's not, it's not my domain. I'm going to stick to what I know down there in Texas. Yeah. Yeah. yeah you gotta be careful I think about that sometimes too like about getting involved in certain stuff you don't wanna act like it's your place just because you're there yeah for sure you know if you're not from there I feel like that's how I feel sometimes I seen a Jelly Roll is he putting in one is he oh yeah that's what I did here is Jelly Roll putting in a bar let's look pull it up Jelly Laney got hers Morgan oh yeah I haven't been to Morgan's yet I haven't been to Morgan's either we were at it just went.

1:21:44Five story building. God. I feel like they're not just like, they're just like seeing how many stories they can go up. Yeah. Shout out Jelly, man. That's awesome. Barge Marquis sign will be yellow and black, including a skull wearing a crown of Nashville skyline. Oh, that's kind of cool, man. Oh, yeah. That's like his emblem. Yeah. Shout out Jelly. That's awesome, man. It is cool, dude. What a guy. Dude, you're a impression of Jelly. Whatever he is, is you and uncle. If you've ever fallen asleep in a fucking UPS van, if you were raised in the back of an Oscar Mayer winter vehicle, if you've ever gotten head lice from bad head, if you've ever popped the pimple on the back of a long-haul trucker, if you've ever given head in the front seat of a Peter Belt, if you've ever had your legs fall asleep on the shitter of a Love's gas station toilet you could win an Emmy motherfucker's like what is happening by the way Jelly gives the best hugs in the world bro every time he sees you he just picks you up if you're having a shitty day get a hug from Jelly Roll bro turns that motherfucker right around They should have a hug center.

1:23:08They should have, that should be a machine. That's what we need to tell them. Hey, instead of all the other good that you're doing around the world, you need a hug station. Yep, a hug station. Give out free hugs, bro. Oh, man. Have you never been a hug? It's$1 hugs, dude. Jelly's$1 hugs, dude. Or you can pay$2 and get a little bit more of a hug. You know what I'm saying? And it's heated. The second hug is heated, dude. Damn, brother. oh man yeah there's something about jelly he just is um there's something about him he's just like a conduit you know for yeah i feel like for love really the guy just it's like his whole aura his whole presence everything about him it's just man it uh yeah it'll turn a bad day around for sure it really will he really is grateful man yeah he's grateful he's fun to watch this story's been cool man it's you got a really cool story yeah oh yeah it's great dude um and yeah you guys are going to be touring for how long most of next year or what uh yeah we're doing a bunch of like festivals and stuff and then uh hopefully getting a tour in towards the end of the year maybe um planning on a new record so if we get that out get a new tour going all the goods and any new songwriters you want to work with or anything like that or what's that look like i know you One night I called you and Ernest working together sometime.

1:24:27Yeah, me and Ernest were out. I think we were out in El Paso whenever you could go. Y 'all were fucking. He said he saw an alien or something. Could have been high. Could have been high. Yeah, there's no telling what. I don't fucking payote and everything else out there, bro. But, yeah, man. I mean, I've started co-writing with a lot of people, man. And this last record was the first time that I'd done it. So, yeah, man. I think it's kind of just kind of open to brand new ideas and stuff, man. just trying to you know do do what's best for us has it been hard for you to evolve like is that a tough thing to to change to do as an artist to like um think okay i'm gonna co-write or i'm not or is that do you like have certain like kind of rules for yourself and then those change or do you not have any rules for yourself it was at first to start with the co-writes because i've wrote you know my first four records were completely just me and then uh so to get into co-writing was kind of a hard ordeal.

1:25:19And then now I've accepted a lot more. I feel like it's easier on me, especially with the headspace I'm in and so much that's going on. It helps to have other people's ideas, you know, outside looking in. So, yeah, man, it's been a lot of fun. Like I said, with Gabe Simon and all those badass, all these badass artists around here, man. Dude, I met him with Dermot Kennedy, I think. Bring a picture of him up. I think they were writing together probably Gabe Simon he works with Noah and a couple other oh Gabe I don't think that's him no that's him that is Gabe that is not the guy that I met but I would like to meet him sometime small world I look forward to meeting Gabe Simon he's a great dude but that's okay it was a different Gabe that I believe played with Dermot Kennedy over there.

1:26:18We went to the Bluebird over there and watched him play. Yeah, well, I just think that's interesting because, yeah, it's like I always want to do things on my own, right? Yeah, for sure. And I was like, oh, I'll do it on my own. But then things kind of change. You're like, I can't do it on my own. Yeah, for sure. And so then I'm like, now I have to evolve a little bit. Yeah, for sure. I've got to grow up. And I've always been like, I hate to ask people for help on anything. Like, that's just how I'm wired. but sometimes you know i mean it uh well you kind of got to push your pride aside and say hell with it so yeah yeah and then that's the times when you really kind of things you get better you know honestly yeah yeah usually when i end up including other people and then i'm not doing anything alone i think that's the thing that's that's a bummer sometimes i think about like it's not like i think sometimes i would like to get married you know or something i said that but i think it's because otherwise you do stuff and you don't have anybody to tell about it.

1:27:12You're like, oh, this was fun, but it was by myself. And you're like, well, shit, dude. And then your wife, one day your wife or whatever is going to be like, shut up. I wasn't there. Will you please stop telling me about this shit? I wasn't there, dude. I think that's good, man. I think we've had a nice chat. Hell yeah, that was awesome. Co, congratulations, dude. We look forward to just hearing more music and just watching your journey, man. Yeah, it's fucking tough to grow up, dude. Don't do it all overnight, dude. Yeah, not all overnight. We'll just keep easing into it. Okay. Amen. New Christmas album out now in his album Nine Lives.

1:27:50Thanks again, Kyle. Have a good one, man. Appreciate it, Leo. Yeah, Merry Christmas. Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take