3 Policy Catalysts to Watch This Fall

2 Sep 2026 · 10 min · 7 chapters

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Three public-policy catalysts for investors this fall: (1) U.S. midterm elections and likely state-level “data center pushback,” (2) U.S.-China policy talks around AI/trade (notably Sept. 24), and (3) fiscal deadlines tied to government funding and the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), with equity-seasonality context.

Guests

Michael Zezas, Deputy Global Head of Research at Morgan Stanley; Ariana Salvatore, Head of Public Policy Research at Morgan Stanley.

Key claims

Midterms’ debate may hinge on data center regulation across specific races (not cleanly party-based). AI capex remains constructive (hyperscalers forecast over $1T next year) due to “AI sovereignty,” plus company mitigation. U.S.-China aims for “managed stability” with possible tactical escalation on AI. December funding/NDAA deadlines raise shutdown risk.

Notable examples

Texas and Pennsylvania governorships; Ohio governor race proposes conditional buildout; Texas/Pennsylvania opponents push more restrictive directives. Mitigation examples: ratepayer protection pledge (electricity), Google water-usage framework, Amazon water disclosure.

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Midterm Elections as a Key Catalyst

0:19 to 1:00

Discussion on the importance of midterm elections and their potential market impact.

“And there's a pretty heavy calendar, everything from midterm elections to some pretty important diplomatic dates.”

Understanding Data Center Opposition

1:00 to 1:54

Exploring concerns around data center spending tied to election outcomes.

“I think in this context, the biggest debate far and away is on data center pushback.”

Political Landscape and Regulation

1:54 to 3:50

Analysis of how political races influence data center regulations across states.

“Well, I would start by saying the politics here are scrambled in the sense that there's no clear fault lines when it comes to Democrats or Republicans around data center opposition, right?”

AI Sovereignty and Investor Sentiment

3:50 to 6:05

Impact of AI sovereignty on spending and regulatory responses from companies.

“Now, I know we're still doing work on this, but what's the current thinking about even if we were to see a result like that?”

US-China Relations and Trade Stability

6:05 to 7:20

Insights on the US-China meeting and its implications for trade and investments.

“shift in sovereign AI and governments seeking that control.”

Fiscal Policy and Market Outlook

7:20 to 8:34

Discussion on fiscal policy risks and upcoming legislative challenges affecting investors.

“And there's also a couple of important considerations around fiscal policy, funding, the National Defense Authorization Act.”

Seasonality and Market Trends

8:34 to 9:49

Exploring the historical market behavior during midterm election seasons.

“All of that is happening against a backdrop where the historical norm going into midterm elections is one where the equity market tends to struggle a bit.”
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0:00Michael Zezas:Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Michael Zezas, Deputy Global Head of Research for Morgan Stanley.

0:05Ariana Salvatore:And I'm Ariana Salvatore, Head of Public Policy Research.

0:08Michael Zezas:Today, we'll look ahead to public policy catalysts that matter for investors this fall. It's Wednesday, September 2nd at 10.30 a.m. in New York. Okay, Ariana, there's a few days left in the summer and investors are already starting to think about what's going to happen this fall. And there's a pretty heavy calendar, everything from midterm elections to some pretty important diplomatic dates. High level, what do you think people need to focus on?

0:39Ariana Salvatore:So I'll start with probably the most consequential catalyst of the list that you mentioned, and that's the midterm elections. Obviously not until November 3rd, but the debate is going to start to emerge over the coming weeks in terms of if Democrats were to win just one chamber versus both chambers, if Republicans were to keep control? What could that mean for markets? And what are the durable policy themes? I think in this context, the biggest debate far and away is on data center pushback. And this is transition from more of a macro thematic. So investors trying to understand the potential implications for the CapEx build out to more of a micro, really granular question, right?

1:16Ariana Salvatore:Which races are the ones that we need to watch? Where are there states or jurisdictions that projects that are pending could be possibly called into question. And that's sort of the continuous debate that I've had recently with investors trying to pinpoint it more precisely to figure out where exactly the buildup could be impacted.

1:32Michael Zezas:So I hear from investors this general concern that the midterm elections will reveal that it's become a consensus preference amongst American voters and members of both parties to slow down on data center spending or perhaps even stop it or something more severe like that. What type of midterm election outcome would point to that as a possibility?

2:00Ariana Salvatore:Well, I would start by saying the politics here are scrambled in the sense that there's no clear fault lines when it comes to Democrats or Republicans around data center opposition, right? We are seeing some pretty notable pivots, even from lawmakers that in the past were supportive of data centers. So that's why I think we have to zoom into these really specific races. And there I would say there's some governorships that matter actually more than some of the Senate races. Because remember, governors also in certain states can appoint public utility commissioners. And in places like Texas, that actually could be a really consequential outcome for the 2026 midterm elections, more so than who ends up sitting in Congress on a very federal level.

2:40Okay.

2:41Michael Zezas:And so would you say it's fair then that that folks running for office who are challenging incumbents in both parties, who are expressing a desire for more regulation on data centers, that it kind of cuts across both parties. So this is more about folks challenging incumbents than it is about one party or the other having a specific view on AI and the AI industrial build out via data centers.

3:08Ariana Salvatore:That's right. It's hard to sort into these really generic party umbrellas. And there are a few nuances under the surface. If you look at something like Ohio, the governor's race there, both the Republican and Democrat candidates are proposing a conditional buildout, basically. So if certain projects meet criteria, they're gonna be allowed to proceed. In other races, like in Texas and Pennsylvania governorships, you're seeing the opponents basically propose a more restrictive form of the pause or directive that's already in place. So I would say it's not very clean in terms of Democrat or Republican-led.

3:39Ariana Salvatore:And that just gives us conviction that this is going to persist and remain an issue even after November, even though the federal policy incentives we don't think are likely going to change.

3:49Michael Zezas:So we could see investors taking a signal about the AI data center build out from an outcome where incumbents don't do particularly well. Now, I know we're still doing work on this, but what's the current thinking about even if we were to see a result like that? how much should investors be concerned that the expectations around spending on data centers might not be realized because of new policy, other regulatory changes that would come as a result of the midterms?

4:20Ariana Salvatore:So I would say overall, we are still very constructive on AI CapEx, right? So our internet team is still forecasting over a trillion dollars of spending for the hyperscalers next year. And there are a few reasons for that, one of which has to do with this AI sovereignty theme that we've been writing about. So this notion that governments are increasingly wanting to control their own stack and their own AI capabilities. So that's driving a bit of the spend. On the other hand, we are starting to see mitigation measures from some of these companies to appease some of that local community backlash.

4:50Ariana Salvatore:And there, we don't see a one-size-fits-all approach. We see very tailored solutions depending on what the source of the pushback is. Just to give a few examples, when you have communities that care about electricity price increases. For example, many hyperscalers have signed on to the ratepayer protection pledge. When you have communities that care about the environmental impact, you've got companies like Google who said they want to put forward a regulatory framework for water usage. Amazon also disclosing their water usage in data centers. And so, like I said, there's not really a uniformity to these responses, but enough that we think will mitigate the concern and still leaves us constructive on the overall buildout.

5:27Right.

5:27Michael Zezas:And you actually bring up a really interesting point on the idea of AI sovereignty, some of the kind of similar concerns that are driving voter anxiety around the build out of AI might also reinforce some of the spending that has to happen there to the extent that voters and policymakers are concerned that AI should be controlled and aligned with American values would require some spending to make sure that there's sufficient supply chains and other variables in play that the U.S. is in control of. Is that fair?

6:03Ariana Salvatore:That's right. That's one of the clear policy consequences we see from this shift in sovereign AI and governments seeking that control. The other one is, of course, the potential for further tech restrictions and divergence between the U.S. and China on AI specifically.

6:18Michael Zezas:So on the topic of China and the U.S., one date that you point out here is September 24th, a date when the U.S. and China are going to be meeting again. What's on the table for discussion? What do investors need to know? Obviously, there have been concerns over the past year about the level of tariffs and trade tensions between the two. Is there anything here that we need to pay specific attention to?

6:45Ariana Salvatore:So we think the overarching goal for both sides is to maintain this managed stability that was established in the May summit, too. At that point, the clear deliverables were around trade, right? So agricultural purchases, Boeing purchases, etc. We think there's likely some small incremental change to those deliverables, in particular when it comes to AI dialogue. But notably, we think there's potential for escalation into that summit, again, within the bounds of what we call tactical escalation. But we do think that there's plenty of room for more policy escalation between both the US and China in line with some recent action that we've seen over the past few weeks.

7:19Michael Zezas:Got it. And there's also a couple of important considerations around fiscal policy, funding, the National Defense Authorization Act. Can you talk us through that a bit?

7:30Ariana Salvatore:Yeah. So fiscal has been in the headlines recently as well, just given the Treasury buybacks and crossing that$40 trillion threshold. And I think in that context, it sort of puts a renewed spotlight on government funding. There we see a potential latent risk of another shutdown come December, right? So we saw a continuing resolution pass both the House and the Senate and sort of punt that debate until after the elections. And then the NDAA is the annual bill that funds the Pentagon. It has to be done in December on a bipartisan basis. So the elections have the potential to shift the incentive structure for some lawmakers.

8:02Ariana Salvatore:And we could see these kind of reemerge as really big debates towards the end of the year.

8:07Michael Zezas:Now, interestingly enough, we've got a bunch of catalysts to pay attention to midterms, the potential for data center pushback as a consequence of it, a US-China summit, which we think is going to result in the continuation of managed stability, and fiscal catalysts where the debt and the deficit have been in scope and concern, particularly for equity investors. All of that is happening against a backdrop where the historical norm going into midterm elections is one where the equity market tends to struggle a bit. Is that fair?

8:47Ariana Salvatore:Yeah. So we tend to see a little bit of negative seasonality into the midterm elections. And our equity strategy team has pointed out the potential for a knee-jerk reaction if you were to see Democratic outperformance in November. We think that's not likely to be durable. We think it's more so the case that investors are going to pull forward the anticipation of Democrats doing well in the 2028 presidential election. We don't think that's going to be a long-lasting theme in the market, but it's typically in line with what we see during elections.

9:14Michael Zezas:So this idea that there are going to be seasonal challenges to the equity market is important to take on board, particularly when there are a lot of policy narratives, which in the investor's mind could reinforce the price action that comes with weak seasonality. But our view is that you need to keep your eye on the secular trends here underpinning economic growth, including the AI buildout, which we think at the moment is going to be less sensitive to some of these policy outcomes than it might seem given strong campaign rhetoric around restricting data centers. Is that a fair statement?

9:54Ariana Salvatore:Yes, that's right.

9:55Michael Zezas:Great. Well, Ariana, thanks for taking the time to talk.

9:58Ariana Salvatore:Pleasure speaking with you, Mike.

9:59Michael Zezas:And thanks for listening. Ariana, what should our audience do next?

10:02Ariana Salvatore:If you enjoyed the podcast, leave us a review wherever you listen and share thoughts on the market with a friend or colleague today.

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Midterm elections, backlash against data centers and a U.S.-China summit. Michael Zezas and Ariana Salvatore discuss themes that could test investor confidence in the coming months.

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Michael Zezas: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Michael Zezas, Deputy Global Head of Research for Morgan Stanley.

Ariana Salvatore: And I'm Ariana Salvatore, Head of Public Policy Research.

Michael Zezas: Today, we'll look ahead to public policy catalysts that matter for investors this fall.

It's Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:30am in New York.

Okay, Ariana, there's a few days left in the summer, and investors are already starting to think about what's going to happen this fall. And there's a pretty heavy calendar; everything from midterm elections to some pretty important diplomatic dates. High level, what do you think people need to focus on?

Ariana Salvatore: So, I'll start with probably the most consequential catalyst of the list that you mentioned, and that's the midterm elections. Obviously, not until November 3rd, but the debate is going to start to emerge over the coming weeks – in terms of if Democrats were to win just one chamber versus both chambers; if Republicans were to keep control; what could that mean for markets? And what are the durable policy themes?

I think in this context, the biggest debate far and away is on data center pushback. And this has transitioned from more of a macro thematic. So, investors trying to understand the potential implications for the CapEx build-out, to more of a micro really granular question, right? Which races are the ones that we need to watch? Where are there states or jurisdictions that projects that are pending could be possibly called into question?

And that's, sort of, the continuous debate that I've had recently with investors, trying to pinpoint it more precisely to figure out where exactly the build-up could be impacted.

Michael Zezas: So, I hear from investors this general concern that the midterm elections will reveal that it's become a consensus preference amongst American voters and members of both parties to slow down on data center spending. Or perhaps even stop it or something more severe like that.

What type of midterm election outcome would point to that as a possibility?

Ariana Salvatore: Well, I would start by saying the politics here are scrambled in the sense that there's no clear fault lines when it comes to Democrats or Republicans around data center opposition, right? We are seeing some pretty notable pivots even from lawmakers that in the past were supportive of data centers. So that's why I think we have to zoom into these really specific races.

And there I would say there's some governorships that matter actually more than some of the Senate races; because remember, governors also in certain states can appoint public utility commissioners. And in places like Texas, that actually could be a really consequential outcome for the 2026 midterm elections, more so than who ends up sitting in Congress on a very federal level.

Michael Zezas: Okay. And so, would you say it's fair then that folks running for office who are challenging incumbents in both parties, who are expressing a desire for more regulation on data centers, that it kind of cuts across both parties? So, this is more about folks challenging incumbents than it is about one party or the other having a specific view on AI and the AI industrial build-out via data centers?

Ariana Salvatore: That's right. It's hard to sort into these really generic party umbrellas, and there are a few nuances under the surface. If you look at something like Ohio. The governor's race there, both the Republican and Democrat candidates are proposing a conditional build-out, basically. So, if certain projects meet criteria, they're going to be allowed to proceed.

In other races, like in Texas and Pennsylvania governorships, you're seeing the opponents basically propose a more restrictive form of the pause or directive that's already in place. So, I would say it's not very clean in terms of Democrat or Republican-led. And that just gives us conviction that this is going to persist and remain an issue even after November. Even though the federal policy incentives we don't think are likely going to change.

Michael Zezas: So, we could see investors taking a signal about the AI data center build-out from an outcome where incumbents don't do particularly well.

Now, I know we're still doing work on this, but what's the current thinking about – even if we were to see a result like that, how much should investors be concerned that the expectations around spending on data centers might not be realized because of new policy, other regulatory changes that would come as a result of the midterms?

Ariana Salvatore: So, I would say overall, we are still very constructive on AI CapEx, right? So, our internet team is still forecasting over a trillion dollars of spending for the hyperscalers next year, and there are a few reasons for that, one of which has to do with this AI sovereignty theme that we've been writing about.

So, this notion that governments are increasingly wanting to control their own stack and their own AI capabilities, so that's driving a bit of the spend. On the other hand, we are starting to see mitigation measures from some of these companies to appease some of that local community backlash. And there we don't see a one-size-fits-all approach.

We see very tailored solutions depending on what the source of the pushback is. Just to give a few examples. When you have communities that care about electricity price increases, for example, many hyperscalers have signed on to the Ratepayer Protection Pledge. When you have communities that care about the environmental impact, you've got companies like Google who said they want to put forward a regulatory framework for water usage; Amazon also disclosing their water usage in data centers.

And so, like I said, there's not really a uniformity to these responses, but enough that we think will mitigate the concern and still leaves us constructive on the overall build-out.

Michael Zezas: Right. And you actually bring up a really interesting point on the idea of AI sovereignty. Some of the kind of similar concerns that are driving voter anxiety around the build-out of AI, might also reinforce some of the spending that has to happen there. To the extent that voters and policymakers are concerned that AI should be controlled and aligned with American values would require some spending to make sure that there's sufficient supply chains and other variables in play that the U.S. is in control of.

Is that fair?

Ariana Salvatore: That's right. That's one of the clear policy consequences we see from this shift in sovereign AI and governments seeking that control. The other one is, of course, the potential for further tech restrictions and divergence between the U.S. and China on AI specifically.

Michael Zezas: So, on the topic of China and the U.S., one date that you point out here is September 24th, a date when the U.S. and China are going to be meeting again. What's on the table for discussion? What do investors need to know? Obviously, there have been concerns over the past year about the level of tariffs and trade tensions between the two.

Is there anything here that we need to pay specific attention to?

Ariana Salvatore: So, we think the overarching goal for both sides is to maintain this managed stability that was established in the May summit too. At that point, the clear deliverables were around trade, right? So agricultural purchases, Boeing purchases, et cetera.

We think there's likely some small incremental change to those deliverables, in particular when it comes to AI dialogue. But notably, we think there's potential for escalation into that summit, again, within the bounds of what we call tactical escalation. But we do think that there's plenty of room for more policy escalation between both the U.S. and China in line with some recent action that we've seen over the past few weeks.

Michael Zezas: Got it. And there's also a couple of important considerations around fiscal policy, funding, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Can you talk us through that a bit?

Ariana Salvatore: Yeah, so fiscal's been in the headlines recently as well, just given the Treasury buybacks and crossing that $40 trillion threshold. And I think in that context, it sort of puts a renewed spotlight on government funding.

There we see a potential latent risk of another shutdown come December, right? So, we saw a continuing resolution pass both the House and the Senate and sort of punt that debate until after the elections.

And then the NDAA is the annual bill that funds the Pentagon. It has to be done in December on a bipartisan basis. So, the elections have the potential to shift the incentive structure for some lawmakers, and we could see these, kind of, re-emerge as really big debates towards the end of the year.

Michael Zezas: Now, interestingly enough, we've got a bunch of catalysts to pay attention to: midterms, the potential for data center pushback as a consequence of it, a U.S.-China summit, which we think is going to result in the continuation of managed stability, and fiscal catalysts where, you know, the debt and the deficit have been in scope and concern, particularly for equity investors. All of that is happening against a backdrop where the historical norm going into midterm elections – is one where the equity market tends to struggle a bit. Is that fair?

Ariana Salvatore: Yeah. So, we tend to see a little bit of negative seasonality into the midterm elections, and our equity strategy team has pointed out the potential for a knee-jerk reaction if you were to see Democratic outperformance in November. We think that's not likely to be durable. We think it's more so the case that investors are going to pull forward the anticipation of Democrats doing well in the 2028 presidential election.

We don't think that's going to be a long-lasting theme in the market, but it's typically in line with what we see during elections.

Michael Zezas: So, this idea that there are going to be seasonal challenges to the equity market is important to take on board, particularly when there are a lot of policy narratives which in the investor's mind could reinforce the price action that comes with weak seasonality.

But our view is that you need to keep your eye on the secular trends here underpinning economic growth, including the AI build-out, which we think at the moment is going to be less sensitive to some of these policy outcomes than it might seem – given strong campaign rhetoric around restricting data centers.

Is that a fair statement?

Ariana Salvatore: Yes, that's right.

Michael Zezas: Great. Well, Ariana, thanks for taking the time to talk.

Ariana Salvatore: Pleasure speaking with you, Mike.

Michael Zezas: And thanks for listening. Ariana, what should our audience do next?

Ariana Salvatore: If you enjoyed the podcast, leave us a review wherever you listen and share Thoughts on the Market with a friend or colleague today.

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