In short
How stocks may react to a Fed “pivot” toward rate cuts, following Jackson Hole signaling and changes to inflation targeting.
Guest backgrounds
No guests. Host is Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist.
Key claims
Markets have already priced a high chance of September rate cuts; Powell’s Jackson Hole remarks were more dovish than prior communication. The Fed will target 2% “at all times” rather than average inflation, implying potential hawkishness if inflation re-accelerates. Wilson expects bullish stock performance over weeks to 12 months, with dips likely buyable for long-term investors.
Notable examples
S&P 500 approaching a 6,500 target; risks include no cut if growth/inflation surprise higher, or a bond selloff/10-year yield spike if inflation fears rise.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAnticipating a Fed Pivot
0:16 to 1:10
Discussion on market expectations of a Fed pivot to a dovish stance and its implications for stocks.
“Over the past few months, the market started to anticipate a Fed pivot to a more dovish stance this fall.”
Key Takeaways from Jackson Hole
1:10 to 2:01
Insights from the Fed's symposium, including new policy targets and market reactions.
“First, the Fed seems closer to cutting rates in September than the last time Chair Powell spoke publicly.”
Risks Ahead for Stocks
2:01 to 2:47
Analysis of potential risks for September and October regarding Fed actions and market responses.
“bullish for stocks over the next few weeks and markets can now fully anticipate Fed cuts in September.”
Bull Market Outlook
2:47 to 3:02
A major bear market ended in April, indicating a new bull market with potential buying opportunities.
“Here's the important message I want to leave you with.”
Divergence in Market Reactions
3:08 to 3:44
Understanding the difference between equity market movements and Fed decision-making timelines.
“What gives us even more confidence in that statement is that earnings revisions continue to move sharply higher.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Mike Wilson:Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley's CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist. Today on the podcast, I'll be discussing the Fed's new signaling on policy and what it means for stocks. It's Monday, August 25th at 1130 a.m. in New York. So let's get after it. Over the past few months, the market started to anticipate a Fed pivot to a more dovish stance this fall. More specifically, the bond market started to price in a very high likelihood for the Fed to start cutting interest rates again in September. Equities have taken their cues from the signaling in the bond market by trading higher through most of the summer, despite lingering concerns about tariffs, international conflicts, and valuation.
0:45Mike Wilson:I have remained bullish throughout this period given our focus on historically strong earnings revisions and the view that the Fed's next move would be to cut rates, even if the timing remained uncertain. Last week, the Fed held its annual symposium in Jackson Hole, where they typically discussed near-term policy intentions, as well as larger considerations for their strategic policy framework. We learned two key things. First, the Fed seems closer to cutting rates in September than the last time Chair Powell spoke publicly. This change also comes after a week in which the markets were left wondering if he would remain more hawkish until inflation data confirmed what markets have already figured out.
1:26Mike Wilson:Clearly, Powell leaned more dovish, and with markets a bit nervous going into his speech on Friday morning, equities rallied sharply the rest of the day. Second, the Fed also indicated that it will no longer target average inflation at 2%. Instead, it will make 2 % the target at all times. This means the Fed will not tolerate inflation above or below target to manage the average like it did in 2021 and 2022. It also suggests a more hawkish Fed should the economy recover more strongly than is currently expected or inflation re-accelerates. From my standpoint, this is bullish for stocks over the next few weeks and markets can now fully anticipate Fed cuts in September.
2:08Mike Wilson:However, I see a few risks for September and October worth thinking about as the S &P 500 approaches our long-standing 6 ,500 target. The first risk is the Fed decides to not cut rates after all because either growth is better or inflation is higher than expected. That would be worth a small correction in stocks given the high likelihood of a cut that is now priced in. The second risk is the Fed cuts, but the bond market decides it's being too carefree about inflation and longer-term bonds sell off. A sharp rise in 10-year Treasury yields would likely elicit a bigger correction in stocks until the Treasury and Fed regain control.
2:47Mike Wilson:Here's the important message I want to leave you with. A major bear market ended in April and a new bull market began. It's rare for new bull markets to last only four months, and more likely they last one to two years at a minimum. What that means is that any dips we get this fall are likely to be buying opportunities for longer-term investors. What gives us even more confidence in that statement is that earnings revisions continue to move sharply higher. The Fed uses economic data to make its decisions, and that data is generally backward-looking. Equity investors look at company data and guidance, which is forward-looking.
3:24Mike Wilson:This fact alone explains the wide divergence between equity prices and Fed decisions, which tend to be late and after equity markets have already figured out what's going to happen rather than what's in the past. Bottom line, I remain bullish on the next 12 months given what companies and equity markets are telling us. thanks for tuning in i hope you found it informative and useful let us know what you think by leaving us a review and if you find thoughts on the market worthwhile tell a friend or colleague to try it out the preceding content is informational only and based on information available when created it is not an offer or solicitation nor is it tax or legal advice it does not consider your financial circumstances and objectives and may not be suitable for you Thank you.
From the publisher
Opinions by market pundits have been flying since Fed Chair Powell’s remarks at Jackson Hole last week, leaving the door open for interest rate cuts as soon as in September. Our CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist Mike Wilson explains his continued call for a bullish outlook on U.S. stocks.
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Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley’s CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist. Today on the podcast I’ll be discussing the Fed’s new signaling on policy and what it means for stocks.
It's Monday, August 25th at 11:30am in New York.
So, let’s get after it.
Over the past few months, the markets started to anticipate a Fed pivot to a more dovish stance this fall. More specifically, the bond market started to price in a very high likelihood for the Fed to start cutting interest rates again in September. Equities have taken their cues from this signaling in the bond market by trading higher through most of the summer – despite lingering concerns about tariffs, international conflicts and valuation. I have remained bullish throughout this period given our focus on historically strong earnings revisions and the view that the Fed’s next move would be to cut rates even if the timing remained uncertain.
Last week, the Fed held its annual symposium in Jackson Hole where they typically discuss near term policy intentions as well as larger considerations for their strategic policy framework. We learned two key things.
First, the Fed seems closer to cutting rates in September than the last time Chair Powell spoke publicly. This change also comes after a week in which the markets were left wondering if he would remain more hawkish until inflation data confirmed what markets have already figured out. Clearly, Powell leaned more dovish. And with markets a bit nervous going into his speech on Friday morning, equities rallied sharply the rest of the day.
Second, the Fed also indicated that it will no longer target average inflation at 2 percent. Instead, it will make 2 percent the target at all times. This means the Fed will not tolerate inflation above or below target to manage the average like it did in 2021-22. It also suggests a more hawkish Fed should the economy recover more strongly than is currently expected or inflation reaccelerates.
From my standpoint, this is bullish for stocks over the next few weeks and markets can now fully anticipate Fed cuts in September. However, I see a few risks for September and October worth thinking about as the S&P 500 approaches our longstanding 6500 target.
The first risk is the Fed decides to not cut after all because either growth is better or inflation is higher than expected. That would be worth a small correction in stocks given the high likelihood of a cut that is now priced in.
The second risk is the Fed cuts but the bond market decides it’s being too carefree about inflation and longer term bonds sell off. A sharp rise in 10-year Treasury yields would likely elicit a bigger correction in stocks until the Treasury and Fed regain control.
Here’s the important message I want to leave you with. A major bear market ended in April, and a new bull market began.
It’s rare for new bull markets to last only four months and more likely they last one-to-two years, at a minimum. What that means is that any dips we get this fall are likely to be buying opportunities for longer term investors. What gives us even more confidence in that statement is that earnings revisions continue to move sharply higher. The Fed uses economic data to make its decisions and that data is generally backward looking. Equity investors look at company data and guidance which is forward looking. This fact alone explains the wide divergence between equity prices and Fed decisions, which tend to be late and after equity markets have already figured out what’s going to happen rather than what’s in the past.
Bottom line, I remain bullish on the next 12 months given what companies and equity markets are telling us.
Thanks for tuning in; I hope you found it informative and useful. Let us know what you think by leaving us a review. And if you find Thoughts on the Market worthwhile, tell a friend or colleague to try it out!
