In short
The episode argues that unusually broad support—easing monetary, fiscal, and regulatory policy—will boost markets in 2025, alongside over $3 trillion of AI/data-center spending through 2028. It focuses on the “third leg”: regulatory easing and its impact on U.S. agency mortgages.
Guest backgrounds
No external guests are named; the host is Andrew Sheets (Morgan Stanley Global Head of Fixed Income Research). He references mortgage strategy colleague Jay Bacow.
Key claims
Regulatory changes can quickly alter asset pricing and bank balance-sheet capacity. Finalizing U.S. capital rules could free about $5.8 trillion in global bank balance-sheet capacity. Examples: OCC/FDIC withdrew 2013 lending guidelines (mid-December); Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac announced $200 billion agency mortgage purchases (last week), tightening spreads. Implication: valuations may overshoot; agency mortgage spreads shifted from positive to neutral.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOEasing Policies Overview
0:45 to 1:41
Discussion on the unusual combination of easing monetary, fiscal, and regulatory policies.
“related spending that Morgan Stanley expects, all to happen through the end of 2028.”
Regulatory Policy's Impact on Markets
1:41 to 2:28
Exploring how easing regulatory policy influences financial markets and asset pricing.
“easing regulatory policy is another big lever that's being pulled in the same direction.”
Recent Regulatory Changes and Implications
2:28 to 3:25
Details on recent regulatory changes affecting banks and their implications for the market.
“In mid-December, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the FDIC withdrew lending guidelines from 2013 that had discouraged banks from making loans to more highly indebted companies.”
Agency Mortgages Market Reaction
3:25 to 3:38
Analysis of the market's reaction to changes in agency mortgage policy.
“And in the specific case of these agency mortgages, my colleague Jay Bacow and our mortgage strategy team think that this shift is now very quickly in the price.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Andrew Sheets:Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheets, Global Head of Fixed Income Research at Morgan Stanley. Today, a core theme of easing policy and the latest iteration in the U.S. mortgage market. It's Thursday, January 15th at 2 p.m. in London.
0:19Andrew Sheets:Central to our thinking for the year ahead is that we're seeing an unusual combination of easing monetary policy, fiscal policy, and regulatory policy all at the same time. This isn't normal, and usually this type of support is only deployed under much more dire economic conditions. All this is also happening alongside another large supportive force, over$3 trillion of AI and data center related spending that Morgan Stanley expects, all to happen through the end of 2028. This broad-based easing is a global theme. Equities in Japan have been rallying on hopes of even a larger fiscal easing in that country.
1:00Andrew Sheets:In Europe, we think that Germany will continue to spend more while the European Central Bank and Bank of England cut rates more than the market expects. But like many things these days, it's the United States that's at the heart of the story. We think that the U.S. Federal Reserve will continue to lower interest rates this year, even as core inflation persists above its target. The U.S. government will spend about$1.9 trillion more than it takes in, even after adjusting for tariffs, as tax cuts from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act kick in. But my focus today is on the third leg of this proverbial three-legged stimulative stool.
1:40Andrew Sheets:While easing monetary and fiscal policy probably get the most focus, easing regulatory policy is another big lever that's being pulled in the same direction. Regulatory policy is opaque, and let's face it, can be a little boring. But it's extremely important for how financial markets function. Regulation drives the incentives for the buyers of many assets, especially in the all-important banking and insurance sectors. It can set almost by definition what price an asset needs to trade at to be attractive, or how much of an asset a particular actor in the market can or cannot hold. Regulatory policy tightened dramatically in the wake of the global financial crisis.
2:24Andrew Sheets:But now, it's starting to ease. Our U.S. bank equity analysts expect that finalization of key capital rules later this year, an important regulatory step, could free up about$5.8 trillion, with a T, of balance sheet capacity across the global systematically important banks. In mid-December, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the FDIC withdrew lending guidelines from 2013 that had discouraged banks from making loans to more highly indebted companies. And just last week, the U.S. administration announced that the U.S. mortgage agencies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would buy$200 billion of mortgages to hold on their own balance sheet, a significant move that quickly tightened spreads in this key market.
3:13Andrew Sheets:For investors, we see several implications. This simultaneous easing across monetary, fiscal, and now regulatory policy supports a market that runs hot and where valuations may overshoot. And in the specific case of these agency mortgages, my colleague Jay Bacow and our mortgage strategy team think that this shift is now very quickly in the price. Having previously been positive on agency mortgage spreads, they've now turned to neutral. Thank you, as always, for your time. If you find Thoughts of the Market useful, let us know by leaving a review wherever you listen, and also tell a friend or colleague about us today.
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Andrew Sheets: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheets, Global Head of Fixed Income Research at Morgan Stanley.
Today, a core theme of easing policy, and the latest iteration in the U.S. mortgage market.
It's Thursday, January 15th at 2pm in London.
Central to our thinking for the year ahead is that we're seeing an unusual combination of easing monetary policy, fiscal policy, and regulatory policy – all at the same time. This isn't normal, and usually this type of support is only deployed under much more dire economic conditions. All this is also happening alongside another large supportive force – over $3 trillion of AI- and datacenter-related spending that Morgan Stanley expects all to happen through the end of 2028.
This broad-based easing is a global theme. Equities in Japan have been rallying on hopes of even a larger fiscal leasing in that country. In Europe, we think that Germany will continue to spend more while the European Central Bank and Bank of England cut rates more than the market expects.
But like many things these days, it's the United States that's at the heart of the story.
We think that the U.S. Federal Reserve will continue to lower interest rates this year, even as core inflation persists above its target. The U.S. government will spend about $1.9 trillion more than it takes in, even after adjusting for tariffs as tax cuts from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act kick in.
But my focus today is on the third leg of this proverbial three-legged stimulative stool. While easing monetary and fiscal policy probably get the most focus, easing regulatory policy is another big lever that's being pulled in the same direction. Regulatory policy is opaque, and let's face it can be a little boring. But it's extremely important for how financial markets function. Regulation drives the incentives for the buyers of many assets, especially in the all-important banking and insurance sectors.
It can set almost by definition what price an asset needs to trade at to be attractive, or how much of an asset a particular actor in the market can or cannot hold. Regulatory policy tightened dramatically in the wake of the Global Financial Crisis, but now it's starting to ease. Our U.S. bank equity analysts expect that finalization of key capital rules later this year – an important regulatory step – could free up about [$]5.8 trillion – with a T – of balance sheet capacity across the Global Systematically Important Banks. In mid-December, the office of the comptroller of the currency and the FDIC withdrew lending guidelines from 2013 that had discouraged banks from making loans to more highly indebted companies.
And just last week, the U.S. administration announced that the U.S. mortgage agencies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would buy [$]200 billion of mortgages to hold on their own balance sheet; a significant move that quickly tightens spreads in this key market. For investors, we see several implications. This simultaneous easing across monetary, fiscal, and now regulatory policy supports a market that runs hot and where valuations may overshoot.
And in the specific case of these agency mortgages, my colleague Jay Bacow and our mortgage strategy team think that this shift is now very quickly in the price. Having previously been positive on agency mortgage spreads, they've now turned to neutral.
Thank you as always for your time. If you find Thoughts on the Market useful, let us know by leaving a review wherever you listen. And also tell a friend or colleague about us today.
