Time for a Bull Market Correction?

20 Oct 2025 · 5 min · 2 chapters

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In short

Morgan Stanley CIO Mike Wilson argues the U.S. is still in a new bull market that began in April, even though a near-term S&P 500 correction (10–15%) is possible and “normal” for a fresh bull cycle.

Guest backgrounds

No guests are mentioned; the episode is a solo commentary by Mike Wilson (Morgan Stanley CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist).

Key claims

April’s sharp sell-off after “Liberation Day” marked the trough of a three-year rolling recession; stocks rallied in a straight line due to a V-shaped recovery and broad earnings revisions. Wilson says the U.S. is in a post-COVID inflationary regime where inflation is not bad for stocks if it’s accelerating and the Fed is sidelined/easing; stocks act as an inflation hedge until the Fed tightens again.

Notable examples

April tariff-related “Liberation Day” sell-off; prior inflation regimes (1980–2020 falling inflation vs. 2020–2021, 2023, and “today”); gold underperformance vs high-quality stocks; three near-term correction risks: renewed China-U.S. tariff escalation toward a Nov 1 deadline, stress from Fed quantitative tightening/funding markets, and rolling over earnings revision breadth plus summer retracement and tariff impacts on guidance.

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Understanding the Current Bull Market

0:16 to 3:08

Discussion on the current bull market, economic conditions, and inflation.

“I continue to believe the sharp sell-off in April following Liberation Day marked the trough of what was effectively a three-year rolling recession in the U.S.”

Potential Correction Risks

3:08 to 4:38

Analysis of potential risks leading to a market correction.

“and so a 10-15 % correction in the S &P 500 is not only possible, but would be normal at this stage of a new bull market.”
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0:00Mike Wilson:Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist. Today on the podcast, I'll be discussing why we're still in a new bull market, even if a correction is likely in the near term. It's Monday, October 20th at 1 p.m. in New York, so let's get after it. I continue to believe the sharp sell-off in April following Liberation Day marked the trough of what was effectively a three-year rolling recession in the U.S. economy. We've written extensively about this view, but it still remains very much out of consensus. Since 2022, most sectors of the private economy have gone through their own individual recession, but at different times.

0:44Mike Wilson:The final trough in the rate of change in economic activity came in April around the tariff announcements, which came as a surprise to almost everyone, at least in terms of the magnitude and scope. In short, Liberation Day was really Capitulation Day on the last piece of bad news for the economic cycle, which then bottomed. Stocks seem to agree, which is why they've rallied in a straight line since then, much like they do after the trough of any economic cycle. The other proof we have for this claim is that the V-shape recovery and earnings revision breadth, something we've discussed for many months in our written research and on this podcast.

1:22Mike Wilson:Based on our numerous conversations with investors, this view remains very unpopular. Instead, most believe the economy and earnings growth for next year are at risk of being lower rather than higher than expected, as I do. A court of my view is that we're now firmly in an inflationary regime since COVID and the implementation of helicopter money to get us out of that crisis. The government has to run it hot to get us out of the massive debt and deficit problem created over the past 20 years. The end result is that investors need to expect hotter but shorter cycles rather than the elongated 10-year cycles we experienced between 1980 and 2020 when inflation was falling.

2:03Mike Wilson:That means two-year up cycles followed by one-year down cycles for U.S. equity markets, which is exactly what's happened since 2020. We are now in the midst of a new up cycle that began in April. The key thing to understand during this new regime is that inflation is not bad for stocks, so long as it's accelerating and the Fed is on the sidelines or easing, like in 2020-21, 2023, and now today. Higher inflation means higher earnings growth, which is why price earnings multiples are high today. With inflation likely to accelerate next year, stocks are anticipating better earnings growth. In other words, stocks are a hedge against inflation.

2:45Mike Wilson:In fact, relative to gold, high-quality stocks may offer a cheaper inflation hedge at this point, given their dramatic underperformance to precious metals year-to-date and since 2021. Eventually, inflation will be a problem again for stocks, like in 2022, when the Fed has to react by tightening policy. But that's a story for another day. Having said all this, the equity markets are a bit frothy at the moment, and so a 10-15 % correction in the S &P 500 is not only possible, but would be normal at this stage of a new bull market. I see three primary reasons for why we could get that in the near term.

3:23Mike Wilson:First, China-U.S. trade relations have recently escalated again, and we are slowly marching toward a November 1st deadline for tariffs on China to go back to Liberation Day levels. While most investors don't want to get sucked into selling at the worst possible time, like they did in April, this risk is real and will weigh on stocks if we don't see evidence of a de-escalation in the next few weeks. Second, funding markets have exhibited some signs of increased stress lately. This is likely due to the ongoing quantitative tightening program by the Fed, which is draining bank reserves. Should these stresses increase, it could spill over into equities.

4:02Mike Wilson:Third, our earnings revision breath metric is rolling over now after its historic rise since April. This could continue into earnings season as it's normal to see summer retracement from such a high level and tariffs start to flow through from inventories to the income statement. Trade tensions might also weigh on company guidance in the short term. Bottom line, I believe a new bull market began in April with a new rolling economic and earnings recovery that is now quite nascent. However, even new bull markets have corrections along the way, and certain conditions argue we are at risk for the first tradable one since April.

4:38Mike Wilson:Keep your powder dry in the near term for what should be a great buying opportunity if it arrives. Thanks for tuning in. I hope you found it informative and useful and let us know what you think by leaving us a review. And if you find thoughts on the market worthwhile, tell a friend or colleague to try it out. The preceding content is informational only and based on information available when created. It is not an offer or solicitation, nor is it tax or legal advice. It does not consider your financial circumstances and objectives and may not be suitable for you.

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Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Mike Wilson, Morgan Stanley's CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist. Today on the podcast I'll be discussing why we are still in a new bull market even if a correction is likely in the near term. 

It's Monday, October 20th at 1pm in New York. 

So, let's get after it. 

I continue to believe the sharp selloff in April following Liberation Day marked the trough of what was effectively a three-year rolling recession in the U.S. economy. We have written extensively about this view; but it still remains very much out of consensus. 

Since 2022 most sectors of the private economy have gone through their own individual recession but at different times. The final trough in the rate of change in economic activity came in April  around the tariff announcements which came as a surprise to almost everyone, at least in terms of the magnitude and scope. 

In short, Liberation Day was really capitulation day on the last piece of bad news for the economic cycle which then bottomed. 

Stocks seem to agree which is why they have rallied in a straight line since then, much like they do after the trough in any economic cycle. The other proof we have for this claim is the v-shaped recovery in earnings revision breadth, something we have discussed for many months in our written research and on this podcast. 

Based on our numerous conversations with investors, this view remains very unpopular. Instead, most believe the economy and earnings growth for next year are at risk of being lower rather than higher than expected, as I do. Core to my view is that we are now firmly in an inflationary regime since COVID and the implementation of helicopter money to get us out of that crisis. The government has  to run it hot to get us out of the massive debt and deficit problem created over the past 20 years. 

The end result is that investors need to expect hotter but shorter cycles rather than the elongated 10-year cycles we experienced between 1980-2020 when inflation was falling. That means two-year up cycles followed by one-year down cycles for U.S. equity markets, which is exactly what's happened since 2020. 

We are now in the midst of a new up cycle that began in April. The key thing to understand during this new regime is that inflation is not bad for stocks so long as it's accelerating and the Fed is on the sidelines or easing like in 2020-21, 2023 and now today. Higher inflation means higher earnings growth which is why price earnings multiples are high today. With inflation likely to accelerate next year, stocks are anticipating better earnings growth. 

In other words, stocks are a hedge against inflation. In fact, relative to gold, high quality stocks may offer a cheaper inflation hedge at this point given their dramatic underperformance to precious metals year-to-date and since 2021. 

Eventually, inflation will be a problem again for stocks like in 2022 when the Fed has to react by tightening policy, but that's a story for another day. 

Having said all this, the equity markets are a bit frothy at the moment and so a 10-15 percent correction in the S&P 500 is not only possible but would be normal at this stage of a new bull market. I see  three primary reasons for why we could get that in the near term. 

First, China-U.S. trade relations have recently escalated again, and we are slowly marching toward a November 1st deadline for tariffs on China to go back to Liberation Day levels. While most investors don't want to get sucked into selling at the worst possible time like they did in April, this risk is real and will weigh on stocks if we don't see evidence of a de-escalation in the next few weeks. 

Second, funding markets have exhibited some signs of increased stress lately. This is likely due to the ongoing quantitative tightening program by the Fed which is draining bank reserves. Should these stresses increase, it could spill over into equities. 

Third, our earnings revision breadth metric is rolling over now after its historic rise since April. This could continue into earnings season as it's normal to see some retracement from such a high level and tariffs start to flow through from inventories to the income statement. Trade tensions might also weigh on company guidance in the short term. 

Bottom line, I believe a new bull market began in April with a new rolling economic and earnings recovery that is now quite nascent. However, even new bull markets have corrections along the way, and certain conditions argue we are at risk for the first tradable one since April. 

Keep your powder dry in the near term for what should be a great buying opportunity, if it arrives. 

Thanks for tuning in; I hope you found it informative and useful. Let us know what you think by leaving us a review. And if you find Thoughts on the Market worthwhile, tell a friend or colleague to try it out!

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