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Podcast Episode Notes
Podcast Title
Thoughts on the Market
Episode Title
Why Markets Should Keep Running Hot
Episode Description
This episode features Andrew Sheets, Global Head of Fixed Income Research at Morgan Stanley, discussing key market metrics that suggest valuations may remain high for an extended period despite investor concerns.
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Key Themes and Discussions
Introduction
- Andrew Sheets introduces the episode and sets the context for discussing market stability on January 30th at 2 PM in London.
Core Argument
- Stimulatory Policies:
- A belief that easier fiscal, monetary, and regulatory policies will support risk-taking and corporate activity by 2026.
- High valuations are acknowledged, but are expected to persist due to multiple global stimulative forces.
Market Expectations
- Central Bank Actions:
- Anticipation that major central banks (Federal Reserve, Bank of England, European Central Bank, and Bank of Japan) will either lower interest rates more than expected, or raise them less.
- Fiscal Policies:
- Continued stimulative fiscal policies from governments in the U.S., Germany, China, and Japan.
- Regulatory Environment:
- Regulations are aligning to support more risk-taking, which has been described as a "sleepy but essential" part of the equation.
Investor Concerns
- Rising investor concerns due to:
- Geopolitical uncertainties.
- Significant increases in gold prices (100% rise over the past year).
- Key Concerns from Investors:
- Sharp increases in inflation expectations?
- Potential volatility in government debt?
- Deviations in the U.S. dollar’s valuation?
- Signs of stress in credit markets?
Market Responses
- Current Market Pricing:
- Inflation Expectations: Market expectations for CPI inflation over the next decade are around 2.4%, consistent with previous years (2023-2024).
- Interest Rate Volatility: Expected volatility for U.S. interest rates is lower than at the beginning of the year.
- U.S. Dollar Value: The dollar is trading in line with its fair value based on purchasing power.
- Credit Market Behavior: Credit markets are stable, with spreads remaining historically tight.
Conclusion
- Current indicators suggest that many market-based measures of stability are intact despite uncertainties.
- A positive fundamental outlook on earnings growth could continue to support market stability.
- Acknowledgment of potential shifts in market dynamics due to changing signposts.
Closing Remarks
- Andrew Sheets thanks listeners and encourages feedback and sharing of the podcast.
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Key Takeaways
- Markets may maintain high valuations due to supportive fiscal, monetary, and regulatory environments.
- Current expectations for inflation and market stability indicators suggest confidence among investors.
- Challenges remain, but positive earnings growth could bolster market conditions moving forward.
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Additional Information
- For more insights, visit [Morgan Stanley Insights](https://www.morganstanley.com/insights?cid=mg-SM_CORP-insights-17607).
Note: Always consider personal financial circumstances and objectives before making investment decisions.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOStability Amidst Uncertainty
0:45 to 1:40
Discussion on the current economic landscape and factors influencing market stability.
“and the Bank of Japan all lower interest rates more or raise them less than markets expect.”
Investor Concerns and Market Responses
1:40 to 2:44
Exploration of investor concerns regarding inflation and market volatility, and current market responses.
“Are we seeing expectations for future inflation rise sharply?”
Key Market Measures and Earnings Growth
2:44 to 3:18
Analysis of market measures of stability and the outlook for earnings growth supporting markets.
“foreign policy, big moves in Japanese interest rates, and even larger moves in gold have all contributed to investor concerns around the potential instability of the macro backdrop.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Andrew Sheets:Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheets, Global Head of Fixed Income Research at Morgan Stanley. Today, I'm going to talk about key signposts for stability in a world that, from day to day, feels anything but. It's Friday, January 30th at 2 p.m. in London. A core theme for us at Morgan Stanley Research is that easier fiscal, monetary, and regulatory policy in 2026 will support more risk-taking, corporate activity, and animal spirits. Yes, valuations are high, but with so many forces blowing in the same stimulative direction across so many geographies, those valuations may stay higher for longer.
0:44Andrew Sheets:We think that the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of Japan all lower interest rates more or raise them less than markets expect. We think that fiscal policy will remain stimulative as governments in the United States, Germany, China, and Japan all spend more. And as I discussed on this program recently, regulation, a sleepy but essential part of this equation, is also aligning to support more risk-taking. Of course, one concern with having so much stimulative sail out, so to speak, is that you lose control of the boat. As geopolitical headwinds swirl and the price of gold has risen 100 % in the last year, many investors are asking whether we're seeing too much of a shift in both government and fiscal, monetary, and regulatory policy.
1:35Andrew Sheets:Specifically, when I speak to investors, I think I can paraphrase these concerns as follows. Are we seeing expectations for future inflation rise sharply? Will we see more volatility in government debt? Has the valuation of the U.S. dollar deviated dramatically from fair value? And are credit markets showing early signs of stress? Notably, so far, the answer to all of these questions, based on market pricing, is no. The market's expectation for CPI inflation over the next decade is about 2.4%, similar, actually, to what we saw in 2024-2023. expected volatility for U.S. interest rates over the next year is, well, lower than where it was on January 1st.
2:23Andrew Sheets:The U.S. dollar, despite a lot of recent headlines, is trading roughly in line with its fair value based on purchasing power, based on data from Bloomberg. And the credit markets, long seen as important leading indicators of risk, well, across a lot of different regions, they've been very well behaved with spreads still historically tight. Uncertainty in U.S. foreign policy, big moves in Japanese interest rates, and even larger moves in gold have all contributed to investor concerns around the potential instability of the macro backdrop. It's understandable. But for now, we think that a number of key market-based measures of this stability are still holding.
3:04Andrew Sheets:While that's the case, we think that a positive fundamental story specifically our positive view on earnings growth, can continue to support markets. Major shifts in these signposts, however, could change that. Thank you, as always, for your time. If you find Thoughts of the Market useful, let us know by leaving a review wherever you listen, and also tell a friend or colleague about us today.
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Our Global Head of Fixed Income Andrew Sheets discusses key market metrics indicating that valuations should stay higher for longer, despite some investors’ concerns.
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Andrew Sheets: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Andrew Sheets, Global Head of Fixed Income Research at Morgan Stanley.
Today I'm going to talk about key signposts for stability – in a world that from day to day feels anything but.
It's Friday, January 30th at 2pm in London.
A core theme for us at Morgan Stanley Research is that easier fiscal, monetary, and regulatory policy in 2026 will support more risk taking, corporate activity and animal spirits. Yes, valuations are high. But with so many forces blowing in the same stimulative direction across so many geographies, those valuations may stay higher for longer.
We think that the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of Japan, all lower interest rates more, or raise them less than markets expect. We think that fiscal policy will remain stimulative as governments in the United States, Germany, China, and Japan all spend more. And as I discussed on this program recently, regulation – a sleepy but essential part of this equation – is also aligning to support more risk taking.
Of course, one concern with having so much stimulative sail out, so to speak, is that you lose control of the boat. As geopolitical headwinds swirl and the price of gold has risen a 100 percent in the last year, many investors are asking whether we're seeing too much of a shift in both government and fiscal, monetary, and regulatory policy.
Specifically, when I speak to investors, I think I can paraphrase these concerns as follows: Are we seeing expectations for future inflation rise sharply? Will we see more volatility in government debt? Has the valuation of the U.S. dollar deviated dramatically from fair value? And are credit markets showing early signs of stress?
Notably, so far, the answer to all of these questions based on market pricing is no. The market's expectation for CPI inflation over the next decade is about 2.4 percent. Similar actually to what we saw in 2024, 2023. Expected volatility for U.S. interest rates over the next year is, well, lower than where it was on January 1st. The U.S. dollar, despite a lot of recent headlines, is trading roughly in line with its fair value, based on purchasing power based on data from Bloomberg. And the credit markets long seen as important leading indicators of risk, well, across a lot of different regions, they've been very well behaved, with spreads still historically tight.
Uncertainty in U.S. foreign policy, big moves in Japanese interest rates and even larger moves in gold have all contributed to investor concerns around the potential instability of the macro backdrop. It's understandable, but for now we think that a number of key market-based measures of the stability are still holding.
While that's the case, we think that a positive fundamental story, specifically our positive view on earnings growth can continue to support markets. Major shifts in these signposts, however, could change that.
Thank you as always, for your time. If you find Thoughts on the Market useful, let us know by leaving a review wherever you listen. And also tell a friend or colleague about us today.
