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Podcast Episode Summary: Today in Focus - "Boriswave, fighting-age men, cultural Marxism: how the far right is changing how we speak"
Episode Overview In this episode of *Today in Focus*, host Helen Pidd engages Dr. Robert Topinka, an expert in reactionary digital politics, to discuss the influence of the far right on political language. The conversation centers around terms like "Boris Wave," "fighting-age men," and "cultural Marxism," exploring how these phrases have entered mainstream discourse and their implications on societal attitudes towards immigration and politics.
Key Concepts and Discussions
- The Rise of "Boris Wave"
- Origin: The term "Boris Wave" was coined by an anonymous right-wing account on the social media platform X (formerly Twitter) in June 2024. It has been appropriated to describe an increase in immigration, particularly from non-EU countries, while carrying racist undertones.
- Usage: The term is often used by far-right politicians and commentators to frame immigration as an invasion, effectively racializing the issue by labeling migrants as a threat to British culture.
- Mainstream Adoption: The phrase made its way into mainstream media through repeated use by influential figures, such as Zia Yusuf of Reform UK and Dominic Cummings, leading to its acceptance in larger publications.
- Language as a Political Tool
- Ideological Implications: The language used by the far right simplifies complex issues, scapegoating individual figures (like Boris Johnson) to stoke resentment and resentment towards immigration. This framing can obscure broader discussions about migration policies and their realities.
- Conspiratorial Frameworks: Terms like "Boris Wave" and "cultural Marxism" serve to create an enemy (e.g., migrants or leftist ideologies) and provide a simplified narrative of societal problems, which can be appealing during times of social anxiety.
- Other Notable Phrases
- Fighting-age men: Originally from military terminology, this phrase is used to describe male asylum seekers and is imbued with negative connotations linking them to potential violence or invasion.
- Cultural Marxism: A conspiracy theory suggesting that leftists aim to undermine Western culture. This rhetoric has been popularized by various political figures and has no basis in substantive reality.
- The Role of Online Platforms
- "Extremely Online" Culture: The far right has become adept at using social media to spread memes and phrases, with a focus on getting a reaction rather than engaging in serious political discourse.
- Shift in Communication: With reduced content moderation on platforms like X, the gap between extremist online cultures and mainstream media has narrowed, allowing fringe ideas to gain traction.
- Implications for Society
- Framing and Miscommunication: The use of terms like "illegal" to describe asylum seekers undermines the legitimacy of refugee and asylum policies, complicating public understanding of migration issues.
- The Challenge for the Left: The left struggles to create simple, resonant phrases amid internal debates over politically correct language, hindering effective communication of their messages.
Conclusion The episode concludes with a call for awareness regarding the language we use in political conversations and the importance of understanding the origins and implications of terms popularized by the far right. Dr. Topinka emphasizes the need to critique these phrases without inadvertently giving them more visibility in discussions.
Key Takeaways
- Awareness of Language: Understanding the influence of far-right terms can enrich public discourse and offer clarity in discussions about immigration and politics.
- Critique and Context: It's crucial to provide context when discussing problematic language to prevent it from being normalized without critique.
- Political Strategy: The far right's success in social media and political messaging highlights a need for more effective communication strategies from the left to counteract prevailing narratives.
This episode serves as a reminder of the power of language in shaping political realities and the ongoing struggle to maintain nuanced conversations in a polarized environment.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This is The Guardian.
0:08Today, are you inadvertently using the language of the far right?
0:21This press conference is about stopping the Boris wave of a minimum of 800 ,000 people getting indefinite leave to remain at vast cost to this country over the decades to come. Another day, another Reform UK press conference. Nigel Farage, yet again, banging on about immigration. This time, pledging to abolish indefinite right to remain, the right accrued by long-term immigrants to live and work in the UK permanently. But this time there was one phrase, a pretty new one, that he was keen to shoehorn in at every opportunity. It's actually the age profile that worries us about the Boris wave in some ways more than anything else.
1:03Young, unproductive... The Boris wave. You know which Boris. This is not what Brexit voters wanted. Where in election after election after election they were promised that net migration would come down to tens of thousands a year. And we learn it was up to, in the worst year, a million, although we haven't yet got the revisions. What you perhaps don't know is that Boris Wave is not simply a jaunty description of a sociological phenomenon. It's a term coined and popularised among the very online far right, used in unapologetically racist terms to describe new arrivals to the UK from outside Europe.
1:39And it's been rapidly laundered into the mainstream. And it's far from the only example. From The Guardian, I'm Helen Pidd. Today in Focus. Boris Wave. Fighting age men. Cultural Marxism. how the far right are changing how we speak.
2:00Dr Robert Topinka, you're an expert on reactionary digital politics at Birkbeck University. Thanks ever so much for taking the time to talk to us today. Thank you for having me. So you've been watching the way that words enter the political mainstream, and we're going to discuss some of the most popular terms in the episode today. But to start with, we wanted to discuss one particular term, Boris wave. Tell me, when and where did the Boris wave first emerge as a term? It first emerged on X from an anonymous account that posts right-wing content in June 2024. The first person who seemed to have used the term is this X poster called Max Tempers, which is a pseudonym.
2:39And he's someone who posts about British politics from a right-wing perspective. And the way he was using the phrase and the way it was picked up by other posters on X and places like 4chan was in one sense to describe this increase in migration from non-EU countries, but also as a sort of euphemism to refer to people from the global south. So you'll see people on X saying, oh, there was a load of Boris waivers at the bus stop today. And often the examples are of kind of rural British towns where one might not expect a multicultural population, groups of Africans standing or walking along country lanes in the middle of nowhere.
3:16And then they say, well, why are there suddenly Boris waivers in our small towns? So it's a way of framing it as a kind of deliberate invasion in spaces where non-white people are perhaps not expected to be found. and it's almost kind of become a racial epithet, but it's sanitised through a description of something that actually did happen in terms of this increase in migration from non-EU countries. So what you're saying is that this term is not simply about pinning an increase in migration on Boris Johnson. It's about anger about who he let into the country, perfectly legally, we must stress, and where they've ended up.
3:50And essentially it sounds like it's just become a bit of a racist shorthand for brown people. Yeah. I mean, this is where you see the kind of ideological work the phrase does, because, again, it describes something that actually did happen. There was an increase in migration from nine EU countries. But by attributing it to one person, Boris Johnson, and giving it this kind of particular partisan slant, it becomes a way of framing it not as a kind of broader dynamic of, you know, more nurses and NHS, but instead framing it as part of a kind of right wing conspiracy theory that there is this plan to replace the West with people from the non-West.
4:27So it's a way of describing something that's actually happening, but then committing those who use it, whether they are aware of it or not, to a particular ideological framework. So how did this get into the mainstream then? This Max Tempers character, you said it's a pseudonym. What was his technique in terms of getting his phrase, if he's the inventor of it, to enter the lexicon really? Yeah, so Max Tempers himself doesn't actually have that many followers. He's got about 20 ,000, which is, you know, a fair amount, but not massive. But it started getting picked up by other anonymous accounts.
5:00So part of it is about just posting it repeatedly. And then someone possibly Max Tempers, it's not clear, created a Wikipedia page. Right. Okay. For the phrase Boris Wave. Yeah. So then that starts to make it seem as if this is part of the kind of public conversation. And then from there, slightly more legitimate that publications can then pick it up. And from there, I can kind of make the jump to increasingly mainstream publications. So it doesn't necessarily take someone with a huge following to seed the conversation. It's more about finding a phrase that resonates with people, and then others can pick it up and kind of travel through the network that way.
5:35But in terms of the mainstream media in the UK, when did Boris Weyve first appear? I mean, I think it happened partly because Zia Youssef used the phrase in a post on X in December 2024. Right. He's the chairman, isn't he, of Reform UK or was at that point. And he's often someone speaking on behalf of Reform UK. So when he used the phrase that slightly legitimated it for a more mainstream audience. So I think the first kind of mainstream publication to pick it up was was unheard in January 2025. And then a few months later, it got picked up by The Spectator. GB News had Dominic Cummings on for an interview that they titled, Dominic Cummings speaks about the deep state and the Boris wave.
6:16So there's two kind of ideological conspiratorial phrases in there. Right. That was August 2025. They actually think that a lot of these things that they did, which the voters think are insane, they actually really believe in still. So immigration cleverly defends the Boris wave. the Afghan... So from there, it's kind of been laundered through from X to increasingly mainstream publications. And then, you know, publications like The Guardian pick it up as well and try to explain its context. And so then at that point, it's become part of mainstream discourse. And those extremist origins are often obscured in that process.
7:05It's been kind of interesting watching the term spread because it's not just been Reform UK who have been using it. There are at least two Labour MPs who have used it to criticise the Conservative record on immigration. One of them was the MP for Crewe, Connor Naismith, who used it in May 2025. So he was using it before Dominic Cummings, it sounds like, which is kind of saying something. And then let's talk a bit about Nigel Farage's press conference. How did you feel when And you heard Farage talk about the Boris wave. Well, in a sense, it's not surprising because it fits reform's political strategy right now, which is they can say they're the ones who are able to stop the boats to stop migration.
7:46And part of the reason they're able to do that is they haven't been in government in any significant way. So they can say, look, we're not the Tories. We're not Labour. We're the ones who can actually do something. So for Farage, it works really well to be able to pin a relatively complex phenomenon that has its roots in Brexit and global migration patterns and things that perhaps the UK can't control on their own. But for him to be able to pin that to Boris Johnson, that's a really convenient political move to be able to make. I've given you full details. None of the 800 ,000 plus that came here under the Boris wave that will be available to apply for indefinite leave to remain over the course of the next three to four years, none of them will be given indefinite leave to remain.
8:29And it also reflects something that Reform UK has been really good at, which is they're very closely tapped into this kind of online discourse. And they're able to absorb it and to reproduce it on TikTok, where they have a lot more followers than any other political party. On X, where Zia Yusuf was using the phrase almost before anyone else. The Boris wave of millions of unskilled migrants shipped in by the last Tory government from getting indefinite leave to remain. So they're very good at picking up on sort of subcultural phrases and using them as part of their political messaging. It's interesting, isn't it, that the rights seem to be so much better at social media.
9:08I guess in terms of Farage's press conference, he was using the Boris wave to announce like a pretty contentious policy, which would see potentially hundreds of thousands of people who've built lives in the UK, paid taxes, provide public services, fallen in love, had children. I mean, it sounds like you've got an American, North American accent. Maybe people like you would have to go home. And then just sort of justifying it with this catchy insult. How did you feel when you heard what he said? Yeah, I mean, I am now a British citizen, but I am someone who benefited from the indefinite leave to remain policy that Nigel Farage wants to get rid of.
9:44And this is another thing that's part of his strategy is the Boris way phrase distracts from what is a radical overhaul of migration policy in the UK that would have massive implications for millions of people. So it's a way of turning it into a kind of political game in a way that obscures what is a pretty ominous reality for a lot of people.
10:08I'm interested to hear how you keep on top of all of this. You're an expert in this stuff. Are you permanently online? Unfortunately, yes. And I have been for almost a decade now. I'm not someone who contributes much, but I spend a lot of time watching far right spaces. And unfortunately, in some ways, my work has become easier with Elon Musk's takeover of X with YouTube and Facebook sort of pulling back from content moderation, because it used to be that these sorts of memes and phrases and ideas had to circulate for quite a long time on places like 4chan, the sorts of spaces that a lot of people don't spend much time on.
10:45But now they can start right away on X and get picked up almost immediately. So that kind of gap between the subculture and the mainstream has sort of been short circuited in a way that right now is really benefiting the far right. On recent episodes of Today in Focus, we've talked quite a lot about the post-organizational far right, this idea that the far right are now a lot less to do with parties and groups, but more about influencers, influential individuals like Tommy Robinson. And in terms of the people who are seeding terms like Boris Wave in the conversation, how would you describe them?
11:17What term would you use? Extremely Online are people who basically spend their days posting and engaging in online info wars. So often they see politics as a kind of game where the goal is to post the most resonant content, to get the most likes, to get the most reactions, to get the biggest response from your enemies. So it's all about how much can you post? What can you post that will troll your enemies? How can you get a reaction out of your enemies? And if you look at their activity online, they are posting almost all the time. And that's part of how this works, too. It's not as if every single term they invent catches on.
11:51There's a lot of trial and error, sort of A-B testing. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. They're trying to see what will resonate. And they don't necessarily need to offer a kind of positive political project. Often their goal is to take down their enemies, to own the libs, to mock the mainstream. So they just try to find ways that will catch on, sort of insults that might work, conspiracy theories that might work, phrases like porous wave. And if one doesn't catch on, then they can just go to another one. And in terms of 4chan, a lot of people listening will have vaguely heard about it. If they have, they'll associate it with QAnon, Pizzagate, conspiracy theories like that.
12:26How does that work in comparison with Twitter stroke X? So 4chan has been around for quite a long time, And it became most infamous with the election of Donald Trump in 2016 as a kind of space where the meme wars started, where a lot of alt-right memes were created, like Pepe the Frog, for example, can trace its origins to 4chan. In particular, this one board called Politically Incorrect. So this is a kind of playful, extremist, deeply ironic, deeply racist, deeply anti-Semitic board where a lot of memes that later circulated into mainstream culture were forged and created. And that's the kind of ethos of 4chan is for the lulls and for owning the libs, basically.
13:08So it's a troll space, but it's also a space that was important to the rise of the alt-right and important to the rise of the Trump administration, which was able to ride the momentum of the alt-right in the meme wars. And that continues to be what 4chan's role is. But now with X being owned by Elon Musk and with content moderation, almost a thing of the past on X, you don't need a subcultural space like 4chan to create memes that can later circulate in the mainstream. They still do that. But now they can start in a kind of quasi mainstream space like X where there's a bigger audience. And how intentional do you think it is?
13:43Are these people intentionally trying to change the mainstream conversation? Or are they doing it for the lulls, as you put it? Are they surprised when what maybe starts out as a bit of a joke ends up actually influencing political policies? I mean, I would say doing it for the lulls and deliberately trying to influence politics are not in contradiction with one another. They're doing both. So they're having a lot of fun. They are doing it for the lulls. They are laughing at their enemies. But they also see it as a game that they take very seriously, but that they're trying to win. And so they see it as an information war.
14:16They believe in that phrase Steve Bannon often uses, that politics is downstream from culture. So they think the meme wars are a real political war. But the idea is to, as they say, shift the Overton window, change people's vocabularies, change the phrases they use to talk about politics. And if they can get their enemies to use their language, then they see that as a victory.
14:44And I'd like to talk about a few other phrases that I'm hearing more and more. I was at the Tommy Robinson Unite the Kingdom march to make an episode of this podcast. And I heard time and time again, fighting age males, this term being used to describe asylum seekers, anybody who's living in an asylum hotel, essentially. What do you think of that term and where does it come from? I think it actually originally comes from the US military, which would describe victims of drone strikes as military aged males. So it was a kind of euphemism for justifying drone attacks. But then it got picked up as a way of describing immigrants to Europe and North America.
15:23So the broader context to it is also the Great Replacement Theory, which is this idea that there is a deliberate plot to replace white people in Europe and North America with non-white people from the global south. So it was a way of condensing what is a kind of complex range of references that people who are deeply online might recognize right away. You know, like on 4chan, the Great Replacement Theory, sort of taken as common sense. So people already kind of in these online milieus will recognize that connection. Others might not. But it's a very kind of emotive phrase and a way of presenting migrants as a threat and aligning them with an invasion.
16:03When I was growing up, refugees were the young, the old, the sick and the poor. They weren't military age men. No, that's right. They were women and children. Yeah, they say that they're children, but they're all men. How is this all going to end? Who knows? Hopefully the government will start listening and start doing something about it, making it strict. So they need to be vetted. And do you think that we play into this idea by having a sort of separate category of innocent women and children? Yes, I do. I mean, I think if migrants can be framed as military-aged males, as Zia Yusuf, again, picked up on the phrase in a post on Acts, if we can talk about the small boats as a kind of invasion, it benefits the right, It kind of undermines the real reasons the asylum and refugee policies exist.
16:49It also misinforms people about how migration works, because there is a reason that young men are the ones who make the journey often, because they're often most at risk of violence, you know, in their home countries, most likely to be drawn into fighting there that they want to escape, but also the ones perhaps most capable of making a risky journey. The other thing I found interesting at the United Kingdom march was that nobody was actually talking about asylum seekers or refugees. It was all illegals, that they're illegal people rather than people who've sought sanctuary and the Home Office will decide whether they have a legitimate claim or not.
17:22Yeah. You know, in a way, asylum seekers are almost, you know, they have to take irregular routes almost by definition. Because a refugee is someone who's been designated as a refugee and then is given travel arrangements. an asylum seeker is by definition someone who is fleeing violence or persecution. So they are someone who has to travel often by clandestine means, perhaps by a small boat. So describing them as illegal is a way of discrediting asylum policy without directly saying so. And where do you think that's come from, this idea of illegals? I mean, there's a long history to that, to anti-immigration policy saying, well, we're happy for anyone to come legally, but our problem is with illegal migration.
18:05Meanwhile, policy interventions continue to close down options for legal migration. And that's precisely what Farage is doing with his proposal to remove indefinite leave to remain, which is one of the few legal ways to migrate to this country. And I wonder what other terms have you noticed having entered mainstream conversation? One phrase that started to be used by Tory ministers was cultural Marxism. Yes. And so Ella Braverman used this phrase in 2019 in a speech at the Bruges Group, the Eurosceptic think tank. She referred to the cultural Marxist plot. Yes, I do believe we are in a fight against the cultural Marxism, as I said earlier.
18:44We have a culture evolving from the far left, which is about snuffing out freedom of speech, freedom of thought. No one can get offended anymore. We are living in a culture where... So the cultural Marxism phrase relates to a conspiracy theory that the Frankfurt School of intellectuals, Jewish intellectuals, came to the US to undermine the West, to destroy American culture with political correctness and wokeness. And it has no basis in reality. In fact, it's a way of describing, again, a plan to kind of undermine the West from within.
19:25Coming up, is it about time the left came up with their own catchphrases?
19:40What do you think it is about these phrases that gets them picked up by the mainstream? I think in a context where people feel that their voices aren't being heard or that their expectations for how good their lives might be seem to be declining, identifying a particular enemy to stand in for a broader dynamic is a very appealing way of framing things. So that's partly what Borders Wave does, right? It explains a complex global process by attaching it to one individual. Same thing happens with the deep state or the globalists or the cabal. It provides one entity that sort of stands in for a broader phenomenon.
20:16So it gives you an enemy, it gives you an explanation of what's gone wrong, and it kind of simplifies things for you. And what do you see as the harm in these terms entering the mainstream? Well, it commits people to a right-wing framing, right? So it obscures reality, right? It often is based in reality. Like, as I've said, the Boris wave does refer to a real shift in migration, but by attaching it to an individual from a particular partisan viewpoint, it commits us to this right-wing framing, and then it obscures a more robust conversation about how migration is shifting. That tends to be the same with all of these phrases.
20:50They're basically scapegoating a particular person who may or may not be involved or a particular group of people who, you know, in the case of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are not involved, but it scapegoats someone. And then in doing that, in providing an enemy that you can invest your enmity in, it prevents a conversation about what's actually causing the problems we're facing. So it can be a distraction. The far right are particularly good at memes and social media. You know, should the left play the right at their own game? I mean, I think some people are trying to. Part of the issue on the left is that there has been this commitment to what, you know, critics call political correctness to wokeness.
21:30So there's a certain carefulness with how people on the left use political language. And there often tends to be kind of a lot of internal debate about what the right phrase to use is. So what ends up happening is the debate tends to be about which phrase to use, which phrase is the least problematic. Like, for example, what has the left side itself in knots up about? Oh, gosh, they do it about everything. How to refer to non-white people. Yeah, so do you use the phrase BIPOC? Or does that leave people out? Do you use the phrase people of color? Or is that too euphemistic? So then it tends to devolve into these debates about which phrase to use, it becomes an internal debate rather than kind of, you know, external launch of a way of framing and thinking about things.
22:19But I think too often the left gets divisive, basically, as they debate over which term is the least problematic. And as they're doing that, they're not advancing a framework for other people to pick up and use. And what would you say is the best way to approach this issue, the entering into the mainstream lexicon of these quite unpleasant terms? It's difficult, particularly when X is become a kind of right wing propaganda machine. But I think it's useful to explain the context and wherever possible to avoid using them. I mean, in a way, there's a risk in even explaining them, you know, even describing them is giving them a boost.
22:55It's introducing them to a new audience. So there's always a risk in describing them. But I think just ignoring them is also not a solution. I think the context needs to be explained and they need to be critiqued. Otherwise, they will continue to see mainstream conversation. Well, lucky we've got people like you who can critique these terms and explain them for the rest of us. Rob, thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks, Helen. That was Dr. Robert Topinka from Birkbeck University. Thanks to him and also to our Guardian colleague, Archie Bland, whose first edition newsletter on this topic inspired this episode, you can find that newsletter at theguardian.com.




