Belfast Riots & Migrant Stabbing Live Reaction with Peter Bleksley and Patrick Christys

28:15We have been actually really bloody tolerant for an incredibly long period of time in this country and I am not condoning anyone going out and doing this stuff but if people politicians can't get it into their heads as to why people have got so angry and why it's got to boiling point why we've ended up in a powder keg situation then the problem is going to get worse and constant you were spot on. I think for all those people on the left that are going oh you're stirring it up, aren't you? We're the ones trying to stop this. You can diagnose the problem and you can come up with a solution to the problem and you can do your best to stop it from happening again.

28:48And if something terrible does happen, come out to the public, say, look, we understand your concerns. We're sorry about this. We're going to take a step to do this. Don't come out and talk to me about diversity and inclusion and say, oh, actually, it's all right, actually, that this bloke nearly lost his head in Belfast because, you know, the person who's treating him in hospital, they're probably a migrant as well, which is literally what was said on Sky News. I mean, it's absolutely bonkers this stuff and and you know we have been very patient we have been i think very reasonable as a country but it we have consistently voted for the opposite of what's going on here and we are not doing well economically as well which really sticks the knife in for want of a better phrase um and and now we are in a powder keg situation and these politicians would be better to stop trying to chastise us for our language like we saw in the house of commons where someone said look do we want to stop importing these alien cultures and hillary benn said oh what do you mean by alien cultures just clutching his pearls so you know what we mean by alien cultures we mean things like child marriage fgm and beheadings in the street that's kind of what

29:49Francis Foster:we mean really well isn't this exactly the point patrick isn't this exactly the point that i think a big part of the reason this debate has never got become never got solved in some way is that I think the people who are pro open borders on and everything else like immigrants are all the same in their head So they think that like to let a bunch of Ukrainians in fleeing war Is the same if if you do that you also then have to Let a bunch of people from Sudan and without vetting them that are coming here illegally and in their brain That is like the same thing and so they can't separate one from the other because then you would have to concede that some cultures are better than others right you would have to accept that some people even forget forget about the moralizing forget the better or worse framing let's just say some cultures are like this and some cultures are like that and we might want some of these people but we may not want some of these people and if you say that then the whole edifice comes down like a house of cards 100 accurate this is it some cultures are better than others i'll just say it you might as well add the other kicker to that costume which is at the same time as they're gaslighting us by saying that every single culture in the world is is equal they're also telling us that ours is rubbish and we are the source of all evil blokes that look like me me personally me personally i used to own slaves did i yeah all right well i mean i'm half greek cyprian half republic of irish it's kind of two different groups of peasant really i don't think we owned anyone we didn't really own anything to be honest probably were slaves a lot of the time yourselves we were the slaves yeah uh but um anyway this is yeah and and this is this is this is part of the issue uh really and and again it's a fundamental misunderstanding when they go oh well you were all right with the ukrainian refugees were you well yeah we were because they were almost entirely pretty much um women and children and we could literally see the horrific war that was taking place and i i think i'm right in saying this if you ask them like the over one majority want to go home they'd like would like would like to stop being bombed by Putin and then they'd like to go home.

31:58Whereas what we are seeing now is, again, it's a travel agency for people from the third world who actually just want to come here and claim benefits. There is a case going on in the Republic of Ireland at the moment, actually, of a Moroccan or Tunisian man who is in court accused of stabbing nursery school children. And apparently he was in the country for about 20 odd years. And from what I can gather, there's no real indication that he ever had a job in that time. It's just another one of those examples, isn't it why are we like a bread basket for people from the third world to come uh to just live at our expense and potentially commit commit heinous crimes but the inability of our politicians to admit that certain cultures are better than others is it is frankly just ridiculous it's also a lie and the thing for them now is that they've lost all they've lost all grounds like when people say this stuff like all cultures are the same that what it's just ridicule them just ridicule them because they don't honestly believe it do they and they don't honestly believe it because you can the way they choose to live their lives as well who do they surround themselves with where do they choose to live where do they choose to go on holiday you know they are not going on holiday are they to places like sudan or eritrea or somalia which you can do if you want and one of the reasons they do that is because they don't like the culture and peter one of the people who

33:19Konstantin Kisin:get caught in the crossfire of all of this are the police and i have a lot of empathy for the police because this isn't their fault riot starts they have to go in and time after time they're asked to deal with this and clean up after the terrible policies that our politicians have inflicted upon the country believe you me standing behind a shield having bricks and petrol bombs thrown at you is a very unpleasant experience and I absolutely condemn anybody that wants to do that and that's what you sign up for when you sign on the dotted line it's interesting though that already numbers of police officers were mobilized to go out to Belfast from other parts of the UK and the police do seem to be able to mobilize huge numbers of officers and find the money to do that whenever it suits them or whenever it suits the politicians but they don't seem to be able to mobilize in huge numbers in order to deploy on areas where there is shocking levels of knife crime and stop and search you know anybody that there is some justification for that um yeah very convenient and when they see fit or when their political masters tell them they can turn out in their thousands but when Shops are getting looted.

34:40High streets are getting pillaged. And knives are being carried freely. Where are they? Can't find them.

34:46Konstantin Kisin:And this is a real problem, Peter, because it's really important that the public respect the police and trust the police. But in the wake of the horrific details of the Henry Novak case and previously what has been leaked about the police, that is simply disappearing and it's putting them in real danger isn't it yes it is and it's very gloomy from my perspective the public trust and confidence in the police is tanking but it's hardly surprising they've retreated to their fortress-like police stations they don't investigate the crimes that affect everyday men and women anymore like burglary car crime and that kind of stuff oh here's your reference number now go and report it to your insurance company so they're not connected with the public in that kind of uh way the public had very little very little trust and confidence in them certainly the people that i speak to and it's it's depressing i could go on all night as to the reasons why but basically the police unfortunately now are not the public um like they used to be like robert peel said they should be the police are the public and public other police there's a huge divide the police have picked their side and they've gone over to being a white fluffy liberal progressive kind of service rather than a false and the people

36:12Francis Foster:are not forgiving them for that well you say the police peter but hold on a second surely you mean the people at the top right because i don't think the odd the normal cop on the ground is on board with any of this crap do you oh some of them are well unfortunately many of the you're absolutely right to uh to pull me up on that there are some brilliant men and women serving on the front line but so many of them and i hear stories on an almost daily basis they're afraid to stop and search people of color because if you get an allegation of racism made against you that will be investigated it could damage or end your career they are being subjected to this lunatic brain washing DEI race action plan training which deliberately wants different outcomes according to different demographics which of course flies in the face of policing without fear or favor and consequently they have to impose what they're taught and when they do it it drives that wedge that makes them in the public even further apart people who would then Their natural default position would have been to like and respect the police are sadly turning away from them in their droves.

37:34Francis Foster:That makes sense, given the indoctrination that they're going through. Guys, we're going to come back to this conversation very shortly. We're just going to play a quick message from our sponsors and we will carry on the conversation.

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39:16Francis Foster:patrick was i right in thinking you were very keen to jump in before francis appeared with his flashy new suit you don't you don't miss a b do you consider france by the way fantastic the career in tally sales away but it was what i wanted to say was that was a point there which is um about the standard of policing now if you look at the head of chief of police in in hampshire in Now, the armed police shot a gangland trigger man called Chris Cabba, who had shot a man in a nightclub and then tried to drive his car at armed police officers before they shot him dead. The Met then charged, well, the CPS, along with the Met, then charged the armed police officer with murder and made him stand at trial.

40:06The head of Hampshire Police, the now head of Hampshire Police, was at the Met at the time and he released a video. And it was this groveling apology to the family of Chris Cabba. You know, he was like, I'm so sorry. I can't imagine what you're going through. Anyway, a jury found this copper not guilty in the space of about two hours. The public had already decided this guy was not guilty. And then by the time we saw the CCTV after the trial, we were like, how the flipping head this ever go to court. Anyway, that same police officer is in charge of Hampshire police now. And in the wake of Henry Novak's murder and the subsequent police inaction that took place there, that in my view, I can't say that that also killed him, but it certainly didn't help matters, did it?

40:43He had to have an apology of sorts dragged out from him, kicking and screaming. Three of those officers are still on duty, apparently. He said, oh, yeah, we understand that it was a difficult situation and all this. So you've got that two-tier aspect of it there, and the British public look at that, and what do we see? We see where there was the potential for some tension amongst the black community still kind of quite packed after the whole blm movement as well and he went out and tried to get in front of that by by just issuing a groveling apology and helping to charge a police officer with murder but then when it comes to henry nova it was obviously polish but also you know white and there was a bit of a a frack out there about the idea of this kind of anti-white racism that seems to have infected a lot of our uh institutions at the moment he just doesn't give a toss does he and this is the thing it's so annoying for the british public the other thing is i i am worried that now more and more police officers have gone through university now i i peter will know better than i do but i am of the view that we do not need a lot of our police officers to go to university because what happens at university you know you get again kind of indoctrinated by this woke mind virus so you go through the education system until you're 18 years old where you're being taught all sorts of happy stuff and then you go to university where you know you're basically being force-fed green party propaganda and all of this and anti-british wokery and then you go and join the police force and then at the police force you're infected with it as well hampshire police they made their police officers do three mandatory uh racial bias programs whilst they were out on the beat so what chance do these police officers have some of them really um i do think there needs to be a bit of a change though and and maybe we need to start deliberately recruiting more police officers you haven't had the opportunity to be indoctrinated at Britain's universities.

42:30Konstantin Kisin:And Patrick, if we look at it on a macro level, what we're really talking about is the disintegration of the social fabric, isn't it, really? 100%. Well, the social contract is completely gone, hasn't it, now? And it's the idea that if you go out and you work hard and you abide by the law and you do everything right and you love your country and you look after your family and all of that stuff, that really everything else will kind of be taken care of. You've upheld your side of the bargain. Well, if you look around now, we have decriminalised shoplifting, essentially. There's a Tesco Express just around the corner from where I live that has a shoplifting quota for the day.

43:06So quite often when I finish work, it's shut because too many people have nicked stuff. You walk into a shop now, see people filling their bags. Why are we paying for that? You can't get a pothole fixed on your road. But of course, you know, they can refurbish flats for asylum seekers. There are around 50 different local authorities that we here at GB News uncovered that had signed up or at least expressed an interest in refurbishing or purchasing brand new council houses only for asylum seekers and refugees. Not for the young single mum, not for the homeless military veteran, not for, you know, people who've fallen on hard times through no fault of their own or whatever.

43:40The woman fleeing domestic violence who's had to get out of her family home. No, not for that. For people who've just arrived here. That is a visible sign of the social contract being completely and utterly broken. Again, when you look at things like basic safety, I'm looking around nurseries now for my son who is nine months old. We're looking around a nursery. And it is absolutely bleak that we are going around nurseries looking at how big is the fence? Do they have barbed wire on it? Do you ever take them outside? side is it like just a kind of very well-meaning you know very often kind of female middle-aged nursery school worker that's in charge of taking like 15 infants to a local park well can't really take them to the local park can we because what if there's a lunatic with a knife there you know and i and it's it's just it's just absolutely it's absolutely bonkers when you think about you know i went into spec savers the the other day because i i think i need glasses obviously would be weird if i was in there for anything else and um and i was the first thing they asked me is what benefits you are?

44:42And I was like, I'm not on benefits. And then I just realised, if I was on benefit, those glasses that I might have to pay 300 quid for, I could just get. And it's like, why? What are we doing all of this for? It's the tearing away of the social fabric and the social contracts in this country. And then at the same time, we're being asked to pay more and more. And that was revealed in Pat McFadden, Labour minister's leaked messages with Peter Mandelson, of course, the world's most notorious paedophiles, maybe was our US ambassador for a while in that he said all of the conversations that labor backbenchers have now is who can we tax more so that we can give more away in benefits and i'm sorry that's not that's not social contracts is it why why are we doing this you know what what are we doing this for it's ridiculous and the knock-on effects of that is is obviously as people leaving good people uh leaving leaving this country of ours and that is a real shame peter and i want to i want to go back to a very good point you made earlier because one thing that constitutionally i really struggle with doing

45:46Francis Foster:and it's not always served me well in personal relationships nonetheless i'm i can't swallow lies that i'm supposed to pretend the truth and you were talking so powerfully about all of this dei stuff and the thing that really strikes me as just the highest level of dishonesty that i've seen for a very long time, is that having spent at least a decade being told that because different groups in history have been treated in a different way, we now need to treat some groups in a different way to compensate for the terrible things that happened in the past. That was what we were told. Now, you can agree with it, you can disagree with it.

46:23Francis Foster:Now that that is literally what is happening, the thing they said needed to happen, we needed to treat some groups differently that's happening people say we have two-tier policing we have two tier politics we have two-tier judiciary we have two-tier this two-tier that those people have then told no no no no you're lying you're making this up when they just said for 10 years that's what we need and that's what they wanted and they put it into the college of policing and then they put it into the police and now that it's happening in the real world they're going no no there's no two-tier policing as if that wasn't what they claimed they wanted all along the road to hell is paved with good intentions many years ago during my period of policing and i've been honest about this at some considerable cost i've been vilified and abused and all sorts of stuff there was some dreadful things that happened to young black men at the hands of police officers they were fitted up they were beaten up and that of course was appalling it kind of led to the 1981 riots in Brixton and I was there that Friday afternoon and saw it all unfolding um but of course Lord Scarman did a report and the best thing to come out of the Brixton riots was the Police and Criminal Evidence Act of 1984 which at the stroke of a pen outlawed so much of which had been wrong and had caused so much disquiet.

47:54The current generation of senior police and their predecessors have bent over backwards to try and right the wrongs of previous generations of policing. And so they've gone completely full-scale, nuclear, woke as a result of it. And they've tried to reach out and treat people differently and consequently unfairly. It It's all in an effort to appease. And it's been utterly unnecessary. The pendulum has swung so, so far that it needs to be brought back to the middle ground where common sense applies, where people will be policed fairly, equally, without any kind of favour for any particular group.

48:41But it's going to be led politically for that to happen because the police so often follow the politics. And we need the politics to bring that pendulum back towards the sensible centre ground from where it currently lives.

49:02Konstantin Kisin:One of the things you've just mentioned, the sensible centre. I mean, you look at, I mean, Labour or the Labour Party effectively. I mean, they're dead. They're in power, but they're dead. The Conservatives Party aren't in much better health. It's going to be essentially populism all the way down, isn't it, Peter, from here on in? Yeah, I think it will do. But if populism delivers what people actually want and is therefore popular, will that be a bad thing? People are desperate for change in this country. so much of what patrick so brilliantly lays bare about hard work in britain's and the dreadful state of the uk and being asked what benefits you're on when you go to spec savers by the way patrick you can also get hearing aids in spec savers i don't have any and i'm not being paid by spec savers but i just thought i'd throw it out yeah the country's in an absolute apocalyptic mess it's it's so appalling that once again to kind of go back to what i said at the top of the show i really fear that there will be widespread outbreaks of violence and i really don't want to see it but if the politicians keep gaslighting us if they keep lying to us if they keep pushing the whole multiculturalism oh you know beads in our air kind of nonsense people are going to get very very short tempered i'm afraid and i'm not true oh no i was gonna say come on jump in oh thank you sorry guys so just just on this because we've spoken a lot about the dei and policing and the social contracts and all of that i've just got a quick point here which is where does this end right because we we know that the worst performing people in british schools are white working class boys yet we have loads of different diversity schemes at things like top law firms, top accountancy firms, universities that white people basically cannot apply for.

51:03White working class or white middle class people cannot apply for. In fact, there's only one university in Britain, which unbelievably is in Bradford, where specifically white working class boys can only apply for a particular scholarship. And if we look at the demographics in schools, we look at the demographics that were released earlier on as well about parts of Britain where children are not speaking English as a first language. I just wonder, So, you know, where does this end? At what point will we stop with things like DEI schemes? Will we stop with things like unconscious bias training?

51:36Is it when the general demographics of the country get to it being minority white British? Is that the point? Is that it? I don't know. And that's one thing that I think really, really, really winds people up. We see these flashpoints that we see in Northern Ireland, like we see after Henry Nova, like we see after southpaw but actually there's this kind of constant low-lying thing which is that if the kind of i'm just going to say kind of speak very loosely here when i say indigenous population i'm even going to kind of jump on that phrase but i think i hope people know i mean like the indigenous population feel as though they are being actively disadvantaged when it comes to things like jobs access to universities um and just in day-to-day life that is an incredibly dangerous situation for people to be in and they can't lie to us anymore and say it isn't happening if white working class boys were performing as badly as they are but they weren't white they would have they would there would be entire government policies about this right now but there's not and i just don't know at what what point does it end is it when we look around and actually brits are a minority in their in their own country it's got nothing to do with race i mean isn't just just actual british nationals people who were born here are a minority in their own country is that when we draw the line is it because it's going to have to come at some

52:49Konstantin Kisin:point well it's a really important point and not enough people talk about this and that stat is heartbreaking by the way and it's accurate i remember when i was teaching i i was horrified that nobody spoke about this and look i'm gonna sound as if i'm banging a drum here but it's because there in this country there is an absolute sneering attitude to white working class people but particularly white working class men and boys the ruling establishment hold those people in absolute contempt and they don't care about them is my personal take on it well yeah and the thing

53:32Francis Foster:with it is is like if that was applied to any other group it'd be bad and it's bad when it's applied to white working class boys can we just not say it's bad to discriminate against certain groups based on ethnicity uh and religion and so on and we don't want it to be happening to anybody so please don't tell us that advantaging this group reverses something in the past because all you're then going to do is flip the scales the other way and now everyone's angry again instead of just having what peter talked about which is policing and everything else without fear or favor which, by the way, is one of the great inventions of Britain and the rest of the Western world, which is not really even remotely imitated elsewhere.

54:14Francis Foster:I mean, if you live in many other parts of the world, there's a clear racial hierarchy. Everybody knows who is who and where they are in that position. And I don't really think that that's what we want in Britain. I thought that was one of its best qualities, that that was not the way we did things. you know as we're running uh uh towards the end of the show it just strikes me that i had a bit of a like out of body experience while we were talking here and i just looked down almost on what we're talking about and i look at the fact right we're talking about a number of riots in a in a small number of years it's basically a riot every summer now effectively right over some horrible atrocity that happens we're talking about people feeling unsafe we're talking about uh a completely unsustainable economic model where we spend so much on welfare and so much on looking after people who are not even british that we can't afford to pay off the interest on the debt forget about the debt right you put all that together i mean i hate saying this but if you were reporting on on a country in the middle east on sub-saharan africa and saying they've got constant riots people are feeling unsafe the economy's in this kind of condition that we're talking about you go that's a third world country and it's got third world problems is that what we're talking about queen carvania stood haloed by the morning sun an army hung on her every word my champions i have sold my chariot on carvana it was a lovely SUV, an inexplicably queenly offer.

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55:52Francis Foster:Tonight, we feast. An offer you can feast on. Sell your car today on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply. Can I come in there, please? Francis, when you talk about white working class men and minorities, I grew up in a flat with my single mum I left school at 16 I've lived in London all my life that is me I am a white working class bloke I've worked very hard 50 years so I might have the trappings of a middle class life whatever that is so be it I as a white Londoner am already a minority in my home city and I find that deeply deeply disturbing disturbing disturbing just to talk about Patrick's social contract if you've got a pub at the end of the road make sure you use it because if it's a big pub and it closes in all likelihood it'll get converted into a mosque now that's not Islamophobia that's a statement of fact you can find many many large pubs in London that have been converted into mosques and then when that happens people will get driven out and these things are going on so and i know we're about to wrap to anybody i say this don't pick up a brick don't pick up a bottle and fill it with petrol these are our weapons it's called a pencil sharpen your weapon get it ready for when we go into the ballot box and we put down our x's and just make sure that those who have failed historically recently currently make sure that they have absolutely no place no power and no influence over how this country is run could i just well said peter yeah patrick just on that let me say one quick thing and then you take over mate uh delighted to hear thought i just wanted to say that it peter i'm so glad you said that because i remember coverage of blm for example blm in america burns down whole districts of cities takes over armed with guards they take over a portion of the city and everyone and everyone pretends like this is fine and they say oh a riot is the language of the unheard and all this stuff and i'm so glad that when we're talking about this issue we are focusing on how to actually solve this problem because let's be honest for a lot of people violence in this kind of situation it feels good it's an outlet for a lot of other frustrations with life etc but the reality is that's not going to make this better uh in the democratic society the way to achieve this is through the ballot box and i hope that that message is what what gets taken out of this as well because we can't we can't lower ourselves to the standards of the way that the left behaves when it comes to these things go ahead oh yeah yeah well it's just to come back to your point about that that kind of you if you zoomed out and looked in a from a third world level yeah For me, it is an absolutely crying shame that we have cared not one jot for European and Western culture.

59:02And if you look around now, we obviously have been sold an immigration Ponzi scheme for legal immigration. How on earth can it be that for years we had the importation of over a million people and yet we all per capita got poorer? I mean, that itself is saying, well, clearly this mass immigration thing hasn't worked. But it's also the importation of people from radically different cultures. Some of them are great. Don't get me wrong. to the individual people. But we've also imported other things. We've imported Sharia courts. We've imported increased honor killings. We've imported increased female genital mutilation.

59:34We've imported people from various different parts of the world, and maybe it is because they've seen war, or maybe it's just because over there there's a slightly rough society, where the idea of seeing extreme violence is actually quite normal. We've imported all of this kind of stuff into our country at the same time as making the economy worse off. And you wonder why things start to look a little bit kind of third world in Britain, really. And I think, to come back again to your point, the idea that we are being told, well, this is actually just fine. In fact, it's enriching. This is entirely enriching for us.

1:00:14It's just a lie, isn't it? And again, this was why it comes full circle to what we saw in Belfast, what we've seen elsewhere as well. When people feel helpless, when people feel ignored, and then people feel lied to, and I'm not excusing the burning down of people's houses, what I am saying is there's almost a kind of natural human reaction to out of bored, out of total frustration and helplessness of, well, I've tried everything else, I'm going to explode, I'm going to explode, you've got no idea. And it's not a mystery why it's happening. It's not a mystery why it's happening. And if people have their votes listened to, and their feelings heard, you know, then actually there's a good chance that we might be able to stop this going forward and we might be able to kind of put the cork back in.

1:00:58But, you know, as it currently stands, people seeing their entire areas change, their entire way of life changing and everything, it's not going to make things any better, is it?

1:01:09Konstantin Kisin:No. Well, that's the worry because if we carry on this current trajectory, my real concern, Patrick, is that we're already in a terrible place. but we're actually going to end up somewhere far, far worse, that the vast majority of people who've lived in this country have never seen before. Yeah, quite. And I am very fearful about this, because as we've already spoken about, even in the wake of a perception of different terrible things, our politicians have not done anything to change policy and potentially tied the hands of police forces a little bit as well. And there are certain areas of the UK, and I'm going to name Liverpool here.

1:01:50I know that Peter alluded to it earlier on as well. If something happened in Liverpool along the lines of what we saw in Belfast, it would go off. It would absolutely go off. And I could name several other places in the UK, obviously. I'm sure we all could. I don't understand how our politicians sleep at night. taking that chance and then blaming the people who might go off for it all and demonising them and calling them all racist and thugs, etc. We are sleepwalking into an absolute crisis here. And the perfect time to do some quote unquote radical policy like patrol your border more, turn some boats back, start deporting more people, maybe leave the ECHR or just deport them anyway nor the ECHR, is now.

1:02:38Do it now. Britain is a powder keg. It would be a vote winner on a purely political standpoint anyway. It would save us all a shed load of money and get the economy in a better position, and it would sort out public morale. Why not do it? It doesn't make any sense.

1:02:53Francis Foster:Well, gentlemen, thank you so much both for giving us your time tonight and your thoughts. It's a terrible situation when we discuss it like that, but I think we owe it to the people listening to be honest about it. And so I appreciate both of your forthrightness in this conversation. We both do. Thank you so much, everybody, for watching. If you enjoy these live shows, make sure to like and especially subscribe to the channel so you get notified when they go live. Patrick Christos, Peter Blexley, thank you so much for both of you for being with us tonight. Thank you.

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